's. One is float: left, and the other wraps around it, which is not what I want it to do. [09:46] anyone know a good place to learn c (I know bits and pieces...) network-manager seems to be written in it, and that's the package I've arbitrarily decided to dissect [09:46] StevenK: set a margin-left on the other one that's the same size as the width of the floated one [09:46] <_ion> stevenk: Then use something else than float: left; [09:46] antinobody, there are lots of good free web sites [09:47] rob I know, but I don't know what they are [09:47] cppreference.com [09:47] gracias Amaranth [09:47] C++ and C [09:47] www.cplusplus.com? [09:47] sudo reboot [09:47] grr [09:47] _ion: Can you suggest anything? [09:48] www.cprogramming.com [09:48] imbrandon: Permission denied [09:48] Awww [09:48] <_ion> stevenk: I'd like to see or know about the intended layout first. [09:49] <_ion> stevenk: Do you have a design/mockup image? [09:49] On paper. [09:49] _ion: Basically, I'd like a sidebar with navigation links, and the rest of the page for content. Does that make sense? [09:50] <_ion> stevenk: Thanks, that's exactly the information i needed. [09:51] <_ion> stevenk: Something like this: #sidebar { position: absolute; left: 0; top: 0; width: 10em; } #content { margin-left: 11em; } === StevenK tries that. [09:54] _ion: That works great, thanks. [09:54] <_ion> np. [09:56] eww, no :P [09:56] that's a rather naive layout [09:56] use float [09:56] the margin-left: 11em; still does what you want if you float the sidebar [10:00] <_ion> amaranth: Are you to free to put the sidebar markup after the content in HTML that way? [10:01] there are some tricks to do that, iirc [10:01] but postition: absolute; is not a good answer [10:01] <_ion> Well, one of them is that rather naive layout. :-) [10:02] I once spent a week making this really awesome layout using position and such and it kicked ass in Firefox, Opera, Safari, etc [10:02] IE barfed all over it [10:02] IE always barfs [10:03] IE is still alive? [10:03] I could have fixed it using Javascript but I just went with my current layout instead. [10:03] <_ion> antinobody: Hasn't been for many years. [10:03] _ion That's what I thought [10:04] IE is 90% of your visitors [10:04] Amaranth: not on ubuntu-nl.org ;) [10:04] heh [10:04] a mere 35% there [10:05] and some of them would be opera users masked [10:05] <_ion> stevenk: Btw, that _should_ work with IE. The problems come if you try to make it pixel-perfect, e.g. an exact 0px or 1px gap instead of a 1em-ish gap between the sidebar and the content. === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:05] _ion: because IE only handles top or bottom and left or right [10:05] but not both at the same time === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === erez [n=erez@85-250-154-61.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === richm [n=richm@213.78.191.233] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.40.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tinklepants [n=onel@adsl-72-50-116-203.prtc.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.46.199] has joined #ubuntu-motu === antinobody [n=sean@71-214-90-191.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tinklepants [n=onel@adsl-72-50-116-203.prtc.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [10:55] 'morning [10:55] hi Toadstool [10:55] hi antinobody [10:55] hi Toadstool [10:55] hey ajmitch [10:59] I'm going to go to sleep now, then wake up and go back to learning c, so that I can understand the package network-manager, so that I can use it to practice mergin [10:59] this is all far too much work, and incredibly inefficient [10:59] so I figure I should learn a lot from it [10:59] sin embargo, buenas noches a todos === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chiefofthejojos [n=bradpitc@86.59.25.121] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chiefofthejojos [n=bradpitc@86.59.25.121] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@xdsl-2196.elblag.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [n=bmonty@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukketto [n=lukketto@host180-86.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pschulz01 [n=paul@150.101.6.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tiagoboldt [n=tiagobol@87-196-27-5.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond|away [n=fab@pool-72-92-139-91.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] hi all [01:02] hi [01:03] hey jsgotangco :) [01:04] hello Hobbsee, jsgotangco [01:04] hi ajmitch [01:04] hey ajmitch === netzmeister [i=netzmeis@p549F976D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-18-105.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lut1n [n=albin@lns-bzn-31-82-252-231-253.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === netzmeister [i=netzmeis@p549F976D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Verlassend"] === Lut1n [n=albin@lns-bzn-31-82-252-231-253.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@2001:1418:1ce:0:20e:a6ff:fea4:4ab5] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond|away is now known as fbond [01:39] anyone like to check out midisport-firmware on revu? [01:39] BTW, this package downloads firmware at install time, since the firmware can't be distributed except in the original source package [01:39] (due to licensing restrictions) [01:39] is there any way to indicate that an internet connection is required using dependencies? [01:39] that would be nice [01:39] but debian packages don't provide "pseudo-dependencies" do they? only real packages can be depended on, right? === lbm [n=lbm@0x555298ca.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] fbond: some of the 'real packages' are just there for dependencies for other packages (see ubuntu-desktop), you can't depend on an internet connection though. [01:50] can't check that in preinst script ? === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] hey [01:51] hmm, yes you can check in preinst, I guess that is the easiest way [01:51] If preinst fails, the package is not considered "installed" is it, or is it "installed" but not "configured"? [01:52] hi zul [01:53] hey fabo [01:53] doh...fbond [01:55] yuh . s'okay tab-completion doesn't always do you favors [01:56] fbond, have a look at the bcm43xx-fwcutter package, thats using a way that policy compoliant [01:57] ogra, thanks [01:57] (or the flashplugin-nonfree one) [01:57] hey ogra [01:57] hi zul [02:05] go go xen rangers === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-18-105.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p50801702.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukkett1 [n=lukketto@host49-86.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] ...zul are yousa on crack? [02:41] hmm? [02:42] 08:07] go go xen rangers [02:42] hi Kyral [02:42] Kyral, ah...yes yes i am on crach [02:42] i think he must b [02:42] e [02:46] xen eh === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lut1n [n=albin@lns-bzn-31-82-252-231-253.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] is dh_md5sums the task that will do the signing ? [03:06] nexu: er...i dont think so. [03:06] which one is that? [03:06] i want to automate some package building process [03:06] to run them without human interaction [03:07] which now i need to type a secret key everytime it tries to sign the deb file [03:13] can't you automate signing by using gpg-agent and debuild ? === TomaszD [n=tom@xdsl-2196.elblag.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dsas doesn't know much about packaging. [03:14] dsas: you still need to put in your passphrase [03:14] dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k98B2D4F0 works [03:14] -S -sa are the flags for doing source only [03:14] <_ion> hobbsee: Not every time, when using gpg-agent. === Hobbsee doesnt know about gpg-agent === Hobbsee just uses her scripts [03:15] with gpg-agent you just give your password the first time, iirc. [03:15] nice [03:15] <_ion> Just run debuild -S, and after a while you have a signed package. No passwords asked if you already have typed it recently. :-) [03:16] heh, nic [03:16] e [03:16] bit of a security risk thouhg [03:16] That's what i did to. Was really confused the firt time i had gpg-agent running. :) [03:16] firt/first. === _ion recommends keychain for managing {gpg,ssh}-agent [03:18] <_ion> hobbsee: You can set the password timeout depending on your level of paranoia. :-) [03:18] dsas: yeah nm [03:18] true [03:18] i just found in the manual [03:18] how to automate it [03:18] but thx === Hobbsee has seen some of these guy's paranoia. it's kinda weird. === Hobbsee sees the point of keys not being comprimised though [03:19] shhh, hobbsee you can't talk about them being paranoid. They'll refuse to sign your key. [03:19] heh === Hobbsee could get three people to sign her key in the next couple of weeks, if she wanted. [03:20] i'm in [03:20] :P [03:20] 2 more [03:20] <_ion> If you ever visit Tampere, Finland, i can sign your key as well. :-) === tiagoboldt_ [n=tiagobol@87-196-56-36.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] heh === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thierryn [n=thierry@modemcable011.65-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] we can upload to edgy now? [03:42] yes [03:42] If I have a package I'd like to manage with CDBS, what is the proper procedure if the source doesn't have a configure script in upstream, but only the configure.ac and Makefile.am etc.. ? [03:43] Do I add a makebuilddir rule with aclocal, autoconf and automake ? [03:45] Ah... just discovered DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_AUTOCONF and _AUTOMAKE.. [03:48] Yup, that did the trick. Never mind. :-D === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.92.133] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] hiall === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@83-65-231-90.work.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] hrm, i just did some extremely silly [04:40] rm -rf /sbin [04:42] Lathiat: er, ouch? === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-213-196-245-254.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] yeh [04:42] i was cleaning up a backup [04:42] and somehow did /sbin instead of sbin/ [04:42] heh [04:42] fixing this uber dfodge.. [04:42] i rsynced /sbin off another dapper machine [04:42] haha [04:43] and now im apt-get --reinstalling from dpkg -S /sbin/* [04:43] i scare myself sometime [04:43] s === tiagoboldt [n=tiagobol@87-196-56-36.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56] .. seems to be ok :) === tudenbart is now known as dothebart [05:00] Lathiat: lucky :P [05:02] i rebooted all good [05:02] phew [05:02] that was silly [05:02] at lesat it wasnt / === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.153.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mat__ [n=mat@82.247.157.187] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sp4rKy [n=max@lns-bzn-39-82-255-20-32.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] hi [05:22] hi Sp4rKy [05:22] hi Hobbsee :) [05:22] how are you ? === Hobbsee is studying :( [05:23] and thinking about sleep. [05:24] arf === Sp4rKy is packaging :) [05:25] fun :) === nexu [n=nexu@a80-126-56-145.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:26] yes [05:26] i'm packaging audacious === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] just some errors and it should be good === lbm [n=lbm@0x555298ca.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:30] :) [05:30] just done packaging bmpx [05:30] heh , even write scripts to do it for me in the future :> [05:30] wrote* [05:32] scripting packaging is not a brilliant idea === lbm [n=lbm@0x555298ca.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:34] its for the same package [05:34] so why would you package it again === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:35] nexu: where is your bmpx's package? [05:35] tseng: because i'm making packages from svn ? [05:35] freeflying|away: i have to upload it first [05:35] meh [05:35] freeflying|away: wait [05:36] nexu: upload to where? REVU? universe? [05:37] freeflying|away: erm just my page for now, i still ahve to read the docs on how to get it up to revu [05:38] or revo [05:38] *u [05:39] hey [05:40] are there plans to release inkscape 0.44? [05:40] does nexuiz or warsow are in universe ? [05:40] nexu: as I know, there have package for debian [05:40] i see at the moment its 0.43 in the repos [05:43] freeflying|away: those re old [05:43] freeflying|away: well actually [05:43] i looked thru that file lastnight [05:43] and saw some errors in the packaging === lukketto [n=lukketto@host49-86.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] freeflying|away: http://thehoneymustardbandits.org/nexu/linux/beepmediaplayer/ === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukketto [n=lukketto@host49-86.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.154.137] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eitch0000 [n=eitch@84-74-23-47.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] anyone got an idea how can I create new linux-restricted-module package compiled against a new kernel? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:21] sounds like my "how do I make an xorg 7.1 deb" qest [06:52] i'm working on warsow and i've few questions [06:52] the tarball contains some binaries / repositories but no installation [06:53] just extract the tarball and run foo/warsow [06:53] so what must i do ? [06:53] just place all files in /opt ? === Vapores [n=jose@196.Red-88-9-244.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@ads92.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vapores [n=jose@196.Red-88-9-244.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [06:56] E: audacious: ldconfig-symlink-referencing-wrong-file usr/lib/libaudacious.so -> /tmp/buildd/audacious-1.0.0/debian/audacious/usr/lib/libaudacious.so.2.0.0 instead of libaudacious.so.2.0.0 [06:57] how could i solve this ? 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[10:16] for some reason, my postinstall script still executes [10:16] any ideas? [10:18] for an upgrade or a clean install? [10:18] err...upgrade, as it were [10:18] that makes a difference? [10:20] yes [10:20] I see [10:20] prerm isn't relevant for a clean install [10:20] the old postinstall script is being run on abort-upgrade [10:20] i meant preinst [10:20] are you using set -e in the script? [10:21] sorry [10:21] oh, that too === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:21] I got it, sorry to bug you [10:22] Heya gang [10:23] heya bddebian [10:24] Hi phanatic === iceman_ [n=iceman@219.165-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:43] slomo_: I have now packaged new upstream of xine-lib. care to have a look? [10:44] siretart: if it works for you just upload it :) [10:44] slomo_: didn't test it yet [10:44] the packages look good === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:51] fuck: xine: gconv_db.c:232: __gconv_release_step: Assertion `step->__end_fct == ((void *)0)' failed. [10:51] glibc bug probably [10:51] i saw this in another bugreport already [10:52] ah, seems to be #50584 === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:52] bug #50584 [10:52] Malone bug 50584 in xine-ui "No open windows" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50584 [10:52] jep [10:53] same with gxine [10:53] hm. shall I upload anyway? [10:54] i think so... we can fix it later and this way we at least have the new version [10:54] ok [10:54] well, since you are okay with bzr, and know where my branches are.. === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-39-30.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lut1n [n=albin@lns-bzn-31-82-252-231-253.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp231-95.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === antinobody [n=sean@71-214-90-191.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:44] good afternoon people [11:59] hello [11:59] hello fbond [12:00] if I accidentally uploaded a binary to revu :( [12:00] can I use dcut to remove the files? [12:00] fbond: just upload the source [12:00] tried that, fails [12:00] can't overwrite the dsc file [12:00] fbond: ping a revu admin to remove them [12:00] revu admin is ... (I forget) [12:03] fbond: I think siretart is the most recently active of them [12:03] (according to /whois at least) [12:03] thanks [12:04] neat, didn't know /whois (relatively new to IRC) sorry [12:04] /whois nick nick should reveal idle time [12:05] anyone know what I should do if debdiff tells me gpg can't find a public key [12:05] fbond: in channel is fine === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] sorry [12:05] fbond: no, revu doesn't support dcut commands [12:05] thought so [12:06] I ftp'd in to check on progress [12:06] didn't see much :) [12:06] antinobody: ...debdiff tells you that? [12:06] (do you mean debsign instead?)