[12:59] <buggzero> hello?
[01:00] <HedgeMage> hi buggzero 
[01:00] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[01:00] <mhz> hi buggzero 
[01:00] <mhz> hi HedgeMage 
[01:00] <mhz> hi TT :D
[01:00] <buggzero> well Ive just looked into edubuntu
[01:00] <HedgeMage> hi mhz :)
[01:00] <buggzero> and I have some question about it
[01:00] <mhz> shoot
[01:01] <buggzero> would it be suitable for my 8 yr old brother?
[01:01] <mhz> sure
[01:01] <mhz> and even for you
[01:02] <buggzero> well he doesnt have internet access
[01:02] <buggzero> and I set him up with a machine based on old hardware 
[01:02] <buggzero> but I wanted to get him to use his own computer more
[01:03] <mhz> how old?
[01:03] <buggzero> edu seemed like a good package, but I don't know how it will do on his older computer
[01:03] <buggzero> like windows98 old
[01:03] <mhz> hmmm
[01:03] <Flashq009> I am new to the edubuntu.  How is the edubuntu software?  I have read about it on the site, but curious about what others have to say about it, both the good and bad.
[01:04] <mhz> well, the older the hardware, the slower any modern desktop is
[01:04] <mhz> buggzero: so, my bet is Edubuntu with light desktops
[01:04] <buggzero> yes, but i mean DSL and other such lite distros have done well
[01:05] <HedgeMage> buggzero: Edubuntu itself will do fine, just gnome can be a resource hog so you might try edubuntu with xfce or something if gnome is too slow on that machine
[01:05] <LaserJock> buggzero: Edubuntu+XFCE is good
[01:05] <mhz> Flashq009: it depends on your objectives
[01:05] <buggzero> yeah xfce has done good
[01:05] <mhz> buggzero: or...
[01:05] <buggzero> to another project machine i peiced together
[01:05] <mhz> I have a PII of 400 MHz for my daughter
[01:06] <mhz> she's turning 5 years old
[01:06] <mhz> and she uses Wmaker + Edubuntu :D
[01:06] <buggzero> Wmaker?
[01:06] <mhz> windowmaker
[01:06] <buggzero> it that another window manager?
[01:06] <Flashq009> Well I am looking for educational programs for my cousins ages from 5 - 20.  
[01:07] <mhz> it obviously requiered me to get a nice theme for her and create a copuple of buttond for her
[01:07] <mhz> s
[01:07] <mhz> Flashq009: then, edubuntu is right for them
[01:07] <buggzero> flashq009: http://old.tux4kids.com/tux4kids/ has a lot of great links and is one of the suites in edubunutu
[01:07] <mhz> yup
[01:08] <Flashq009> ok will check it out  be back in a little bit
[01:08] <Flashq009> thank you
[01:08] <mhz> okis
[01:08] <mhz> Flashq009: maybe
[01:08] <buggzero> mhz: do you know if there is any sort of journaling program in edui
[01:08] <mhz> you could see wiki:EdubuntuSoftwareList
[01:09] <mhz> buggzero: journaling?
[01:09] <Flashq009> where is the wiki again?
[01:09] <mhz> wiki.edubuntu.org
[01:09] <Flashq009> thanks
[01:09] <mhz> yw
[01:09] <buggzero> yes like for him to journal in, blog, but only offline?
[01:09] <mhz> hmmm
[01:10] <mhz> buggzero: my BEST bet would be MoinMoinDesktopEdition
[01:10] <mhz> he'll get 2 things at one: Blogging + familiar with wiki
[01:10] <LaserJock> heh, I could have guessed that answer ;-)
[01:11] <mhz> LaserJock: hey!
[01:11] <buggzero> mhz: lol, well I have to get him to sit on the computer for more than 5 minutes at a time first
[01:11] <mhz> well, and if encouraged... even work on CSS so he can tweak it to his own colors
[01:11] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: what's up?
[01:12] <mhz> buggzero: but with MMDE he only creates new pages like point|click
[01:12] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: up late last night due to the fn compromise.... TIRED
[01:13] <LaserJock> oh yeah, Ive been away because of the summit, I hade lots of messages from lilo
[01:14] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: did the cracker do anything harmful?
[01:14] <HedgeMage> klined most of the network
[01:15] <mhz> hmmm
[01:15] <LaserJock> that's not good
[01:15] <HedgeMage> really uncreative insults in the kline messages, though... if one is going to go to the trouble, one should at least have a good line ;)
[01:15] <HedgeMage> tell me about it
[01:16] <LaserJock> well, I got pickpocketed in Paris so I've been doing some damage control too :(
[01:16] <HedgeMage> :(
[01:17] <buggzero> thats a bummer
[01:17] <buggzero> it didnt happen to be around a Beware of Pickpocketer sign did it?
[01:17] <LaserJock> no, it was as I was getting onto a packed subway
[01:18] <LaserJock> luckily they didn't get my passport and I was with the Ubuntu conference
[01:18] <LaserJock> so people helped me out
[01:19] <buggzero> Its one of those things you get overcautious about, but only after the fact, but that is awsome to hear that you had people to spot you
[01:20] <LaserJock> yeah, I would have been totally sunk without the Ubuntu people
[01:20] <buggzero> what ubuntu summit btw?
[01:21] <LaserJock> at the beginning of each development cycle the devs (and anybody that wants to come) get together to write and approve specifications for the next release
[01:23] <LaserJock> all I have to say is that the Ubuntu community really pulls through for each other
[01:24] <LaserJock> it was my first time outside the US and was pretty traumatic
[01:37] <buggzero> i can imagine
[02:07] <Flashq009> Up to what age is the edubuntu software good for?  Preschool, Kindergarten, HighSchool, College?  or rather what grade level is good for?
[02:07] <LaserJock> well, it sort of depends
[02:07] <LaserJock> the default install is mostly for younger kids I'd say
[02:08] <LaserJock> but you also have the entire Ubuntu software repository at your disposal so you can install anything you want afterwords
[02:08] <Flashq009> really, where is the repository?
[02:09] <Flashq009> how can I see all the software package listings?
[02:10] <Flashq009> so that I can choose which ones are appropriate for the kids and there grade leve or learning abilities.
[02:10] <LaserJock> well, you can just use a package manager (synaptic for instance is in the Administration menu)
[02:10] <Flashq009> hold on let me chck
[02:11] <LaserJock> basically, there are the default installed apps, but if you have an internect connection you have access to something over 15,000 packages
[02:12] <Flashq009> I have internet connection
[02:13] <LaserJock> then you can basically install whatever you want
[02:13] <LaserJock> you could install Kubuntu apps, for instance
[02:13] <Flashq009> ok
[02:13] <Flashq009> I am waiting for the computer to load the live cd
[02:14] <Flashq009> how many ubuntu versions are there?
[02:15] <Flashq009> I thought there was just ubuntu and edubuntu.
[02:16] <crimsun> there's just one ubuntu version, which is "ubuntu". There are three different derivatives of ubuntu called "kubuntu", "edubuntu", and "xubuntu".
[02:16] <crimsun> the only difference between the four is the set of default installed packages.
[02:16] <crimsun> they share the same repository, the same developers, etc.
[02:17] <Flashq009> ok... I see
[02:17] <crimsun> An analogy could be the Volkswagen Golf and Jetta use the same chassis, but there are variations.
[02:18] <LaserJock> heh, I saw more Golfs in Paris than the whole rest of my life
[02:18] <Flashq009> does the repository have it categorized by categories, for example: education software or such so that I can just look for those programs?
[02:18] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:19] <Flashq009> ok live cd finish booting... looking at SPM
[02:20] <Flashq009> I do not see education software category.
[02:20] <LaserJock> you might need to enable the Universe repo to get the full amount of software
[02:21] <Amaranth> damn i missed ogra this morning
[02:21] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah. I don't think there is a specifc category for education, but I'm not sure (I'm using the devil at the moment)
[02:21] <Amaranth> Should be Edutainment
[02:22] <Flashq009> ok I enabled the universe.. looking for the Edutainment or such category for listing of all education software
[02:27] <Flashq009> I did a search for edutainment... it gave list of only 27 packages
[02:27] <LaserJock> isn't that KDE stuff
[02:28] <Flashq009> what is kde?
[02:28] <LaserJock> KDE is another desktop envioronment, Gnome is the default one in Edubuntu. But some of the educational apps in Edubuntu are from KDE
[02:29] <Flashq009> will work on gnome?
[02:29] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:30] <LaserJock> you might try searching for a specific thing you want
[02:30] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if the current categorization is set up well for education
[02:31] <Flashq009> wouldn't it be easier if all the education software was in its own repository or category so users just look in that area rather than the entire repository?
[02:34] <LaserJock> well, it doesn't really work that way
[02:34] <LaserJock> because the educational software will depend on non-educational software
[02:35] <LaserJock> but better categorization would certainly help
[02:35] <Flashq009> i agree better categorization would definetly help many users.  
[02:36] <Flashq009> Where or how can I voice that a better categorization for edubuntu will would a good idea?
[02:37] <LaserJock> hmm, well you just did a little bit ;-)
[02:37] <Flashq009> I did?
[02:37] <LaserJock> you just told the Edubuntu IRC channel :-)
[02:38] <LaserJock> do you know Edubuntu mailing lists?
[02:38] <Flashq009> no
[02:38] <LaserJock> lists.ubuntu.com has a listing of Ubuntu mailing lists
[02:39] <LaserJock> edubuntu-users would probably be a good place to ask about categorization
[02:41] <LaserJock> but in actuallity, categorization is not an easy thing
[02:42] <Flashq009> why is it not easy?
[02:43] <LaserJock> because the package manager is looking at information that is collected from the individual packages
[02:44] <LaserJock> and the individual packages are created by lots of people (somewhere over 1,000 people)
[02:44] <LaserJock> so for Ubuntu to say "I think we should redo the categorization" in fact is a rather big thing
[02:45] <LaserJock> not that it isn't a good idea, it just isn't trivial
[02:47] <Flashq009> hmm... well, maybe if it is an education program.. for example..  the individual/s thay created the program put and edu or such extension as a name convention, then searching the repositories would not be too hard.  Just an idea... I do not if that would be feasible.
[02:48] <LaserJock> well, that would be even harder :-)
[02:49] <Flashq009> for example:   calculus.edu or edu.calculus, or edu_calculus or something like that
[02:49] <LaserJock> yeah, but then everything that depends on that would have to be adjusted and rebuilt
[02:51] <LaserJock> they problem is that any change to the categorization would probably take convincing the people who maintain those apps to change the categorization
[02:52] <Flashq009> well, maybe a good categorization system(foundation)  for a new build and/or new linux distro would be a start.. maybe in the future
[02:53] <LaserJock> yeah, I mean the current categories are not ideal, in my opinion, and having a more flexible system would be good
[02:54] <LaserJock> but it would take a lot of effort to do and many people don't use the categories much
[02:54] <Flashq009> thats true
[03:01] <Flashq009> any how I love this edubuntu.  Thanks to all those wonderful software developers and everyone involved in making a difference in peoples lives.
[03:02] <LaserJock> Flashq009: just remember that you can make a difference too, we have lots of work that needs to be done and encourage everyone to contribute
[03:03] <Flashq009> how can I contribute?
[03:04] <LaserJock> anyway you want
[03:04] <LaserJock> we need people who can do documentation, who can test and file bug reports
[03:04] <mhz_cook> Flashq009: basically, the idea is you start where you feel comfortable with
[03:04] <Flashq009> ok,  I am listening
[03:04] <LaserJock> well, what are your interests?
[03:05] <mhz_cook> Flashq009: what would you say it is needed?
[03:05] <Flashq009> I have many interests,  but I am not sure if I understand the question?
[03:06] <LaserJock> basically, you find something that interests you and you feel is needed, then you work on it :-)
[03:07] <LaserJock> if nothing pops up right away just hang out here or on the mailing list and you'll find something
[03:08] <mhz_cook> Flashq009: basically, edubuntu is yours as it is ours
[03:08] <mhz_cook> therefore,
[03:08] <mhz_cook> we all take care of it and want it cool
[03:09] <Flashq009> you mean ... for example...  if I like a particular software and want to see if improved.., I can suggest ideas and/or help to test the software and give feedback... ?
[03:09] <LaserJock> sure
[03:09] <bimberi> hi Flashq009 - http://edubuntu.org/Community mentions documentation, testing, packaging, artwork, or reviewing of material as areas where you can contribute.  I would add bugsquashing, support and advocacy to that list
[03:10] <Flashq009> that is awsome.. I like this community.
[03:10] <LaserJock> hehe, so do we ;-)
[03:11] <bimberi> it also mentions the Edubuntu Study Content team.  I'd not heard of that before :)
[03:12] <mhz_cook> bimberi: hehhe
[03:12] <mhz_cook> that is an idea i proposed long ago
[03:12] <mhz_cook> but I have not convinced any teacher yet
[03:12] <Flashq009> thanks for the link.  I am reading it right now.
[03:12] <mhz_cook> to work on this
[03:14] <LaserJock> Flashq009: except for a few people, everybody involved with Edubuntu are community volunteers
[03:15] <crimsun> (which holds true for Ubuntu and all of its derivatives)
[03:15] <LaserJock> right
[03:17] <mhz_cook> yeah, and those 'not volunteers' do a great job 
[03:17] <mhz_cook> it is just that responsibilities may vary
[03:17] <LaserJock> yes, very much so
[03:17] <bimberi> mhz_cook: It's a very good idea (Study Content) - in fact something that will really help with adoption of Edubuntu.  To have materials available that teachers can just pick up and use to achieve learning goals.
[03:21] <mhz_cook> Flashq009: if a 'volunteer' does not work on something, it may or may not cause big troubles. If a voluteer "owns" a resposibility, it will affect the whole community
[03:22] <mhz_cook> bimberi: indeed.
[03:22] <mhz_cook> we just need at least 3 teachers
[03:48] <LaserJock> jsgotangco!
[03:49] <jsgotangco> hey!
[03:49] <jsgotangco> back to reality?
[03:49] <LaserJock> I'm back, not sure about reality
[03:49] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: when did you leave for the airport? I thought we were going to leave a 9:00
[03:50] <jsgotangco> well i looked at my sched, i left at 8:30 and had a delay on my flight for almost an hour
[03:50] <jsgotangco> when i landed in schiphol i had to run to my next plane
[03:51] <LaserJock> ah, I left at 9:00
[03:51] <LaserJock> jani was in the lobby and said you already left so I figured you just needed to get there earlier or something
[03:51] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:52] <HedgeMage> hey there
[03:52] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:21] <mhz> edu-jetlang?
[04:21] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:06] <buggzero> bummer
[05:06] <buggzero> edubuntu wont install for me
[05:08] <LaserJock> really?
[05:08] <buggzero> yeah it fails at LTSP ChRoot
[05:15] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:19] <mhz> buggzero: it takes a lot to finish that step?
[05:19] <mhz> or it fails?
[05:22] <buggzero> yeah it hangs at 50%
[05:22] <buggzero> then a red screen comes up says it failed
[05:23] <mhz> oh
[05:23] <mhz> well
[05:23] <mhz> what is the hardware you are using?
[05:23] <buggzero> pIII
[05:23] <buggzero> 750 mghrz
[05:24] <buggzero> 172 ram
[05:25] <mhz> weired it is it fails
[05:25] <LaserJock> you're trying to make an LTSP server out of that?
[05:25] <buggzero> no?
[05:25] <buggzero> just regular ol desktop install
[05:25] <buggzero> using edubuntu?
[05:29] <LaserJock> then you shouldn't be doing LTSP stuff
[05:33] <buggzero> how do I not use it?
[05:33] <buggzero> because im doing a straight fresh install and i just torrented the img
[05:34] <LaserJock> what options do you get at bootup?
[05:34] <jsgotangco> you get an option to install workstation on boot
[05:35] <buggzero> yeah but i do install to harddrive
[05:39] <buggzero> dont worry everyone i think its going to be O K
[05:40] <LaserJock> buggzero: right, but the workstation install doesn't do the LTSP stuff
[07:22] <cbx33> good morning
[09:24] <trive> hello
[10:11] <cbx33> morning all
[01:31] <donpaolo> Hi ogra! is edubuntu different from ubuntu in rsync configuration? I'm trying to use backuppc, but it works with ubuntu  and it doesn't with edubuntu
[01:32] <ogra> nope, its the idential package
[01:32] <ogra> must be some glitch in your config
[01:35] <donpaolo> ogra, and with ssh?
[01:36] <donpaolo> ogra, could you see if in http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/ssh.html#how_do_i_setup_openssh is there something that can't work in edubuntu?
[01:37] <ogra> if it works in ubuntu it must work in edubuntu as well
[01:37] <ogra> there is no difference at all
[01:37] <donpaolo> ogra, ok, thank you
[03:23] <sbalneav> I'm here, I'm there, I'm everywhere!  So beware! :)
[03:24] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:24] <jsgotangco> hey sbalneav how is UK?
[03:24] <sbalneav> That was so saturday.  :)  It was great!  Saw both stonehenge AND the battersea power generating station!!! :)
[03:25] <sbalneav> You a Pink Floyd fan?
[03:25] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:25] <sbalneav> Know the building on the cover of Animals?
[03:25] <jsgotangco> ohhhhh
[03:25] <sbalneav> Thats it. 
[03:25] <sbalneav> We saw it WITH OUR OWN EYES!
[03:25] <jsgotangco> so are you back home?
[03:25] <sbalneav> yeah, back in Canuckistan :)
[03:26] <sbalneav> You made it home safely, I trust?
[03:27] <jsgotangco> heh my flight to amsterdam was delayed when it landed to schiphol i had to run to catch my flight home
[03:27] <jsgotangco> they were almost done boarding when i arrived
[03:27] <jsgotangco> you got pics online?
[03:28] <sbalneav> Not yet.  I'll try to get some posted later today.
[03:34] <ogra> sbalneav, we were in a bar after the dinner where a live band played pink flody :)
[03:35] <sbalneav> Wow!
[03:35] <ogra> right across the road from the restaurant
[03:35] <sbalneav> Pink Floyd makes everything better.
[03:35] <ogra> heh
[03:35] <jsgotangco> did they play well enough
[03:35] <ogra> yep
[03:35] <ogra> better than the tom jones stuff or prince they played later :)
[03:36] <jsgotangco> prince haha
[03:38] <ogra> imagine prince "kiss" in a very low voice :)
[03:38] <ogra> and with no tune at all ... like spoken by a bored news speaker
[04:20] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:49] <Amaranth> ogra: ping?
[04:49] <ogra> Amaranth, pong
[04:49] <Amaranth> ogra: i think i have something to show you
[04:49] <ogra> yay !
[04:49] <Amaranth> let me make sure i've pushed the latest code
[04:51] <Amaranth> ok, branch http://dev.realistanew.com/willowng/
[04:51] <Amaranth> the first tab of the willow-config program doesn't do anything but the other two do work
[04:54] <Amaranth> neat trick, if you train a good website as bad you're likely to have all good sites blocked and all...bad sites let through :)
[04:54] <ogra> Amaranth, btw, jdub suggested "Mad Martigan" as appname 
[04:54] <ogra> after a guy in the movie willlow
[04:55] <Amaranth> hmm
[04:55] <Amaranth> i dunno, that's pretty out there :P
[04:58] <rodarvus> hi there
[04:58] <DanielC> Greetings. Can anyone recommend a low-cost thin client box? The ideal box would be no bigger than a network switch and be silent.
[04:59] <DanielC> It is meant to work with Edubuntu.
[04:59] <ogra> define low-cost
[04:59] <ogra> i usually recommend stuff from disklessworkstations.com
[05:00] <ogra> Amaranth, looks very cool !
[05:00] <DanielC> The one I have on my desk costs 175. Anything lower than can be considered "low cost" :)
[05:00] <DanielC> *click*
[05:00] <Amaranth> ogra: Is that good for the mid-point thingie?
[05:00] <ogra> Amaranth, totally !
[05:01] <ogra> thats really sexy ... 
[05:01] <Amaranth> I foresee several poolside days in my future. :P
[05:02] <ogra> :)
[05:04] <JaneW> hi all
[05:04] <JaneW> I have popped in for a quick visit
[05:05] <ogra> hey JaneW, you were missed in paris
[05:05] <DanielC> Speaking of which... how was Paris?
[05:05] <ogra> great
[05:06] <DanielC> Anything interesting happen?
[05:06] <ogra> localdevice support is completely specced ... the next generation of edubuntu servers will work out of the box without editing of the dhcpd.conf ...
[05:06] <JaneW> ogra: I missed Paris too
[05:06] <JaneW> ogra: how was it?
[05:07] <ogra> other stuff is in the review queue ...
[05:07] <JaneW> ogra: good things in store for edubuntu?
[05:07] <JaneW> cool
[05:07] <DanielC> cool
[05:07] <ogra> JaneW, bad food hotel 10km away from the rest of the world ...
[05:07] <JaneW> ogra: :/
[05:07] <ogra> so we were somehow feeling like in jail ...
[05:07] <JaneW> ogra: it didn't look too promising, but it seemed to be a deliberate tactic...
[05:07] <ogra> oh and a glass beer was 9 at the bar
[05:08] <DanielC> I was going to suggest that dhcpd.conf default to a network range other than 192.168.0.1/24 because that conflicts with most existing networks. But from what you say, this won't be necessary, correct?
[05:08] <JaneW> cheap, far away and no distractions, and free shuttle to from airport
[05:08] <ogra> you could go to paris but that took you 1h
[05:08] <JaneW> 9euros!
[05:08] <JaneW> yikes
[05:08] <ogra> yep
[05:09] <JaneW> more than a 1L bottle of amarula
[05:09] <ogra> DanielC, existing setups wont be touched ... new installs will have a not so common range
[05:09] <DanielC> ogra: Great. That was going to be my suggestion. I'm using 192.168.17.x on mine because that's not common.
[05:10] <ogra> it will likely even be something else than 192.168  i think ... we'll need to discuss that ...
[05:10] <DanielC> Ok.
[05:11] <ogra> but that will also need two NICs on install ...
[05:11] <ogra> (which seems to be k12ltsp default as well... it confused many k12 people that switched that we default to one)
[05:12] <DanielC> Wait... Edubuntu only needs one NIC?
[05:12] <ogra> DanielC, if it runs standalone, yes
[05:12] <ogra> as soon as you put it in a bigger network you'll better off with two
[05:12] <DanielC> Ok.
[05:13] <DanielC> Yes, and mine are always going to be in bigger networks.
[05:13] <ogra> but i'm running my edubuntu server here as my dhcp server, my thin clients are on the same network as my normal machjines
[05:13] <DanielC> Most schools are not going to switch to Edubuntu overnight, they'll start with a trial.
[05:14] <ogra> and our target for the first two releases was only a single standalone classroom, so that was the right setup
[05:14] <ogra> the next releases are about integration :)
[05:14] <DanielC> :-)
[05:14] <DanielC> Integration is good :)
[05:14] <ogra> yeah ... 
[05:15] <DanielC> Even though the eventual goal is to use 100% free software, making the first trial run a good experience is a good strategy.
[05:17] <JackHanna> hey guys
[05:17] <ogra> DanielC, btw, thats the system used to develop ubuntu ltsp http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200014.html?id=EiiIgkzb i can guarantee 100% functionality ;)
[05:18] <DanielC> ogra: Thanks!  That one is also a bit cheaper than the one I have here.
[05:18] <JackHanna> funny.. I was just coming in here to ask about pxe booting terminals 
[05:18] <DanielC> :)
[05:20] <JackHanna> I have a ubuntu 6.06 install that I apt installed edubuntu on that I'm trying to get working with net booting thin/thick clients on 
[05:21] <ogra> make sure to follow the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall if you add it on top of ubuntu
[05:21] <JackHanna> does anyone know of a place you could go to find LTSP installs in your area? I think that would really help spread the project and get new admins on board
[05:21] <JackHanna> ooh thanks
[05:22] <ogra> there was such an request from someone in the community, not sure if anyone implemented something like a website for it yet ...
[05:22] <ogra> but should be easy to do based on the tools used for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide
[05:22] <JackHanna> I haven't found info on configuring the 2 nic cards for...
[05:24] <ogra> just make the one for the thin clients use 192.168.0.1 as static ip and you are done
[05:24] <JackHanna> ok, and pxe,dhcp and stuff will be taken care of on that interface?
[05:24] <ogra> yep
[05:25] <JackHanna> hmm.. cool, reaching for 2nd nic right now
[05:25] <ogra> indeed the other interface shouldnt be in 192.168.0.*
[05:25] <JackHanna> good point.. I'll have to reconfig my linksys to use 10.x or something
[05:26] <JackHanna> I've got my linksys pluged into my dmz at work for testing(porn) and stuff
[05:26] <JackHanna> testing*cugh*bittorrent*cough*
[05:26] <ogra> heh
[05:26] <JackHanna> can't wait till our 10mbit connection gets in!
[05:29] <pips1> ogra, Amaranth I liked the "Mad Martigan" suggestion for Willow ;-)
[05:29] <pips1> big favourite of mine
[05:31] <JackHanna> but hey, the cable company is here at the library hooking me up with free cable and a free cable modem! whoot
[05:35] <JackHanna> what do you put as the default gateway for the 2nd nic?
[05:36] <JackHanna> I'm guessing it have to be itself right?
[05:38] <ogra> doesnt matter ... you can point it to itself ...
[05:38] <ogra> the thin clients dont need any routing ...
[05:40] <JackHanna> do you know where the documentation on adding edubuntu to ubuntu is? I was going over it last week
[05:40] <ogra> there is none i think
[05:41] <ogra> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop edubuntu-server and then follow the howto above ...
[05:41] <pips1> "LTSP Term 150": $279.95. I was told today that my local government buys "fat" clients (PCs) for only around $560 (i.e. double price of thin client). So the cost savings aren't in the hardware cost so much, but more in the maintenance savings (thin clients last loger, less hardware failures (no ventilator ot other "moving parts") and can be replaced like a defective light bulb...).
[05:41] <JackHanna> that's it I did the edubuntu-server.. they said you didn't need to do the desktop unless  you wanted the added apps and stuff
[05:42] <ogra> if you only want ltsp install ltsp-server-standalone
[05:42] <JackHanna> so after installing edubuntu-server I still have to do the steps above
[05:42] <ogra> not edubuntu-*
[05:42] <ogra> yes
[05:43] <ogra> its only a metapackage that depends on the right packages, there are no configuration bits or something 
[05:43] <JackHanna> but the link you gave me was for installing ltsp standalone..
[05:45] <pips1> ogra, will you change the edubuntu package for edgy? currently, the (kde) edu applications are all bunched in there... :-/
[05:46] <ogra> lets see, seems we got an additional 20MB for free from ubuntus seed cleanup ... 
[05:46] <pips1> right
[05:46] <ogra> depending on how much that will fill up over time until release we wont need to drop anything if we're lucky
[05:47] <pips1> btw, good news re 'local devices support' spec :-)
[05:48] <pips1> did you have a chance to look at those two "student control panel" apps that were mentioned on the mailing list?
[05:50] <ogra> pips1, please stop poking me about controlaulas, i have answered you about it several times niow v... we dont want apps written in basic
[05:50] <pips1> the one from LinEx and the iTALC one?
[05:50] <pips1> huh?
[05:50] <pips1> sorry, that wasn't me poking...!
[05:51] <pips1> they are written in basic!?!
[05:51] <pips1> good lord
[05:52] <ogra> controlaulas is written in gambas, yes
[05:52] <ogra> and i answer that question once a month
[05:53] <ogra> and i'm sure i answered it to you as well already in this channel ...
[05:53] <pips1> well, you can still look at the thing for ideas.. you don't need to actually distribute it if there are technical reasons that speak against it.
[05:53] <pips1> ogra, nope, not to me, but I see you have been pestered enough :-P hehe
[05:54] <ogra> feel free to add them to the TeachersPet page for feature suggestions
[05:54] <pips1> oki
[05:58] <pips1> I had an interesting discussion about those "student control" apps with a sys admin just on the weekend.. he thinks it's more effective to change the seating layout in the labs. he wants "angled V-shape" desks, where the side without the computer is facing to the teacher and the other side faces away from the teacher... so students have an unobstructed view to the front and the teacher sees the screens of the students...
[05:59] <pips1> the problem, of course, is that you can fit less students in such a lab
[05:59] <pips1> and you need "custom" tables
[06:00] <ogra> well, i'd like to hear from a teacher about that :)
[06:00] <ogra> sysadmins dont do the day to day work :)
[06:01] <pips1> yeah
[06:01] <pips1> I think he was teaching too though
[06:01] <pips1> s/was/is
[06:06] <pips1> ogra,  did you have a look at the iTALC app at all?
[06:06] <pips1> http://italc.sourceforge.net/home.php
[06:06] <ogra> yes i met the author in paris
[06:06] <pips1> so....? :-)
[06:07] <pips1> is it an option or not?
[06:11] <ogra> well, either invest 200h to re implement it in gtk (its qt) and make it work with our ltsp or finish SCP in less but have less features by default and a sane python based plugin system ...
[06:12] <ogra> iTALC is fine if you have certain prerequisites we dont use ... ldap by default for the whole school would be one for example ...
[06:12] <JackHanna> the install script for ltsp is still running...
[06:12] <JackHanna> crosses fingers
[06:12] <highvoltage> hi ogra 
[06:13] <rodarvus> highvoltage!
[06:13] <rodarvus> have you uploaded your pictures somehwere already? ;)
[06:14] <highvoltage> rodarvus: i tried to upload all my photos this morning, but i noticed i ran out of webspace :(
[06:14] <rodarvus> oh
[06:14] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage, rodarvus, and ogra 
[06:14] <highvoltage> so what i'll do is delete all the older photos i have
[06:14] <rodarvus> hi LaserJock!
[06:14] <highvoltage> so i'll do that tomorrow morning. quite a bit behind today
[06:14] <highvoltage> hey LaserJock!
[06:14] <pips1> hey highvoltage 
[06:14] <rodarvus> highvoltage, you can also upload them to somewhere else, such as flickr
[06:14] <highvoltage> have you recovered from paris?
[06:14] <highvoltage> hey pips1 
[06:15] <LaserJock> I got a really bad cold :(
[06:15] <highvoltage> rodarvus: true. do i have to upload them 1 by 1 with some dodgy interface though?
[06:15] <highvoltage> geepers.
[06:15] <rodarvus> highvoltage, hopefully not
[06:15] <highvoltage> i was home at midnight on saturday. i'm glad i left very early.
[06:16] <rodarvus> I left Paris on Saturday, 22h local time (20h UTC)
[06:16] <ogra> hey LaserJock 
[06:16] <pips1> ogra, thanks for your info re iTALC
[06:16] <rodarvus> but had to leave the hotel *much* earlier (14h)
[06:16] <highvoltage> ogra: hello
[06:16] <rodarvus> :)
[06:17] <ogra> pips1, i'll stay in contact with the italc author though ... might become handy at some point where we target such setups by default
[06:17] <pips1> good
[06:18] <pips1> edgy will still be targeted at class room, right?
[06:19] <ogra> well, we'll have network authentication in edgy ... 
[06:20] <pips1> whooot
[06:20] <ogra> so steps are done into becoming a school distro rather then a classroom distro 
[06:20] <ogra> but the real switch might happen not before edgy+1
[06:21] <pips1> yep, ic
[06:21] <pips1> a plugins architecture for s-c-p sounds like a good idea
[06:22] <pips1> and avoiding feature bloat too
[06:32] <ogra> YAYAYAYAY !!!
[06:32] <ogra> we have a working ltsp again :D
[06:32] <ogra> wow, fixing the bugs debian introduced costed me three days ...
[06:33] <mhz> hi all
[06:34] <LaserJock> \o/
[06:35] <mhz> ogra rulz
[06:36] <ogra> well, for now only ltsp-build-client works again ... i didnt test it in reality yet 
[06:38] <cbx33> hi all
[06:38] <cbx33> everybody back safe?
[06:39] <pips1> hi mhz 
[06:39] <mhz> hi pips1 
[06:39] <pips1> hey cbx33 
[06:39] <cbx33> hi pips1 
[06:39] <mhz> hey cbx33 
[06:40] <mhz> hey LaserJock 
[06:40] <mhz> hehehe
[06:40] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 
[06:40] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[06:40] <mhz> hi highvoltage 
[06:40] <highvoltage> and mhz :)
[06:40] <cbx33> hi mhz 
[06:40] <ogra> meh, more bugs 
[06:40] <mhz> lol
[06:40] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[06:40] <ogra> why is that debiuan 
[06:40] <ogra> stuff so broiken
[06:40] <cbx33> did you hear about grasynco?
[06:40] <highvoltage> cbx33: do you think Lisa would mind running the Edubuntu art team?
[06:41] <pips1> ogra, you are *are* talking about unstable, right? ;-)
[06:41] <mhz> highvoltage: ikks (aka Igor Tamara from Colombia) has a very interesting Map of Colombia related to Schools implementing FLOSS
[06:41] <cbx33> highvoltage, she said could you drop her an email about whats involved etc
[06:41] <mhz> Could we have something like that for Edubuntu?
[06:41] <cbx33> i think she's worried about being up to the task
[06:41] <cbx33> I reckon she'd be great
[06:42] <pips1> mhz, link?
[06:42] <mhz> yeah. w8
[06:42] <highvoltage> cbx33: well, she is, as far as I know, the only candidate, so whatever contributions she can make, in terms of leadership or artwork knowledge, would be greatly appreciated.
[06:43] <mhz> who is Lisa?
[06:44] <ogra> pips1, nope i'm talking about debians bzr branch
[06:44] <highvoltage> mhz: cbx33's wife. she painted the edubuntu 'gangsta' wallpaper
[06:44] <highvoltage> sorry, not painted. i nearly said 'painted the mona lisa'. d'oh!
[06:45] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:45] <ogra> cbx33, we couldnt imaginne anyone better :)
[06:45] <mhz> oh, yeah! the wife
[06:46] <mhz> pips1: highvoltage: http://estadisticas.slec.net/slec/ejemplos/
[06:46] <highvoltage> ogra: hello
[06:46] <ogra> heya !
[06:46] <LaserJock> highvoltage: heh, having fun with colors?
[06:46] <highvoltage> yay! :)
[06:46] <mhz> please click on "Cundinamarca"  near the center, small region
[06:46] <highvoltage> LaserJock: well, ogra has been ignoring me, so i had to step up my hello. i was just about to use blinking text ;)
[06:47] <ogra> haha
[06:47] <ogra> is there a tag for blinking text on irc ? 
[06:47] <highvoltage> no, i don't think so.
[06:48] <pips1> hehe
[06:48] <bddebian> highvoltage: :-)
[06:49] <pips1> mhz, took me quite a while to locate that region ;-)
[06:50] <highvoltage> i can't believe how quickly last week zoomed by.
[06:50] <mhz> pips1: hehe
[06:50] <highvoltage> a week away from home sounded like a long time, but it flew quickly with the ubunteros.
[06:50] <pips1> mhz, nice info
[06:52] <cbx33> I'm sure she will do it
[06:52] <mhz> pips1: yeah, I figure something like that would help show off some stats about edubuntu
[06:52] <cbx33> I'l bbl
[06:52] <cbx33> some serious family stuff to deal with tonight
[06:52] <cbx33> take care guys
[06:52] <highvoltage> seeya cb<tab>
[06:52] <bddebian> Heh, me too
[06:54] <pips1> mhz, who collected that info? just one person? how? by calling schools?
[06:55] <mhz> pips1: well, in Colombia, Igor Tamara started an edu-community. He encourages schools to use FLOSS and provide info, He then uploads the info
[06:57] <ogra> pips1, the official page once was http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide
[06:58] <pips1> mhz, in switzerland, the government does statistics of ict in schools. I am just reading the latest one. very interesting.
[06:59] <pips1> they don't have a map though
[06:59] <pips1> ogra, cheers
[07:00] <mhz> ogra: BTW, Danile Favara (aka nomed) showed us how easy would be to cook Edubuntu Lite or Edubunt Latino, etc. It was just a matter of using his dsslive implementations. For a non hacker took about 20 minutes to understand how to do it. And the whole human-process takes about 30 minutes. The computing process, about 90 minutes, depending on hardware.
[07:01] <DanielC> Whoo hoo!!  Another Ubuntu convert. My boss and I just finished installing and setting up Ubuntu on his desktop (his primary computer).
[07:01] <mhz> cool
[07:01] <DanielC> :-D
[07:02] <DanielC> Taking over the world, one PC at a time...
[07:02] <pips1> mhz, are you talking about ubuntu derivatives / customisation?
[07:09] <pips1> got to run, cu all
[07:24] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage 
[07:24] <LaserJock> things calming down today?
[07:25] <HedgeMage> Starting to :)
[07:26] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: were some accounts really compromised? i suppose changing my passwd won't hurt...
[07:27] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: it was <25 user accounts... however, changing certainly wouldn't hurt
[07:32] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: have a time frame of when this occurred ?
[07:33] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Hey there!
[07:33] <sbalneav> Made it home safe?
[07:35] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav 
[07:37] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Hey hey!
[07:37] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: if you didn't try to ID to nickserv during the time things were crashing two nights ago, you are okay.
[07:39] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: nope, but there was something odd. I appeared as op in #doomsday, and I'm not set to auto-op
[07:40] <HedgeMage> that would happen because the servers came up before chanserv was back, so the channel didn't know about any of your settings yet.
[07:45] <highvoltage> hey sbalneav :)
[07:45] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yes, i did!
[08:34] <highvoltage> geez, these drupal updates sure are icky
[08:35] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: how so?
[08:36] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: i upgraded, and then the site would only display blank pages
[08:37] <HedgeMage> ouch!
[08:37] <HedgeMage> from what to what?
[08:37] <highvoltage> so i spent quite some time trying to troubleshoot it, and the people on #drupal-support helped me a bit the week before paris, but we didn't get much far.
[08:37] <highvoltage> so tonight i just started over, with the backed up database, and now for some reason it just works.
[08:37] <highvoltage> from 4.7.0 to 4.7.2
[08:37] <HedgeMage> weird
[08:37] <highvoltage> yep. perhaps i was just being stupid earlier :)
[08:37] <HedgeMage> lol
[08:38] <highvoltage> i still feel a little caution about the next upgrade, but i'm going to make sure i do it earlier when the next update is released.
[08:38] <highvoltage> i don't want to skip an update again.
[08:48] <duck--> hello again, HedgeMage 
[08:49] <HedgeMage> hi duck-- 
[08:49] <duck--> So, ogra is the one who could possibly point me in the right direction for customizing installation CDs?
[08:49] <ogra> not really
[08:50] <ogra> i only use the ubuntu build server tools to build a cd, if you customize it the brocess is very different
[08:50] <ogra> but there is a wikipage about customizing aan install cd iso
[08:51] <duck--> yes, I've toyed with it once in the past with no success.
[08:51] <highvoltage> isn't it bad karma to have a nick like duck-- ?
[08:51] <duck--> The ubuntu website instructs a contact to get in touch with the "development team" but gives no contact information, hence my dilemma.
[08:51] <duck--> highvoltage: not when large objects are thrown.
[08:51] <highvoltage> :)
[08:52] <HedgeMage> duck--: did you try emailing the dev mailing list (either ubuntu main or edubuntu) ?
[08:53] <ogra> duck--, there are plenty of people making customized CDs, so i suspect it can be done somehow
[08:53] <duck--> HedgeMage: indeed I did, I received a reply stating that the message was awaiting approval by a list administrator.
[08:53] <ogra> but i never did that myself ...
[08:53] <HedgeMage> duck--: ahh if you join the mailing list you don't have to deal with that.
[08:53] <HedgeMage> non-members get moderated, and most of that is spam so it gets lost sometimes
[08:53] <duck--> HedgeMage: hmm, I thought I did.  Let me double-check.
[08:53] <signifer123> Fro custom cd's i do believe there was a guide on it for version 5.10...i'll look for it...
[08:54] <duck--> I've seen it signifer123, but it's rather incomplete and hacky.  I'm looking for something more stable, complete, and official.
[08:55] <signifer123> Ok, have you looked at MyBuntu scripts?
[08:56] <duck--> No, actually.  Is that the script that was included on that same wiki page?
[08:56] <signifer123> I don't think they are still up though...
[08:56] <duck--> oh...
[08:56] <ogra> google cache might help
[08:56] <duck--> well, the addition of multiple methods and a lack of explanation of the tasks is confusing.
[08:57] <duck--> on the wiki page, that is
[08:57] <ogra> well, its a wikipage
[08:57] <duck--> yep :)
[08:58] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto initially had only this content: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[08:59] <ogra> both work, but one is edited by many many folks :)
[08:59] <ogra> and somehow hides the simplicissity of the task :)
[09:00] <ogra> hmm
[09:00] <ogra> -iss :)
[09:01] <duck--> I'd be more than willing to contribute my findings in a complete and coherent manner, if only I could figure it out.
[09:06] <JackHanna> hey oga,  the install script in that quick start ended with errors, the client gets an ip address but fails with a tftp error of file not found
[09:06] <JackHanna> looks like 2 packages failed to download
[09:08] <ogra> which packages ? 
[09:08] <JackHanna> fontconfig2.3.2-1 and xprop
[09:08] <JackHanna> from the archive.ubuntu.com server
[09:08] <JackHanna> does that make sence, or do you nee more info
[09:08] <ogra> well, then you only have half a thin client installed 
[09:09] <JackHanna> any idea why they'd fail to fetch?
[09:09] <ogra> sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/$(dpkg --print-architecture) && sudo ltsp-build-client
[09:09] <ogra> nope
[09:10] <JackHanna> your saying I should run that
[09:10] <ogra> netwrok breakage ? cosmic rays, a whacky cable ...
[09:10] <JackHanna> I'll try and run it again
[09:16] <duck--> ogra: one last question, and possibly a strange one, how do you disable automounting?
[09:17] <ogra> for plugged devices ? 
[09:17] <duck--> yes
[09:17] <ogra> s/plugged/removable/
[09:17] <signifer123> i thoghut he ment fstab...
[09:17] <signifer123> thought...
[09:17] <duck--> i know how to disable it for ones that are permanent, fstab and all that
[09:17] <ogra> see the menu ...
[09:18] <ogra> system->settings->removable devices i think
[09:19] <duck--> was wondering what programmatically can be changed to disable this, for forensics purposes
[09:19] <duck--> if you know, off-hand
[09:19] <ogra> must be a gconf key, look for it in gconf-editor
[09:20] <duck--> hmm, ok, thanks
[09:24] <duck--> hmm, i think i'm going to start a project if there isn't already one for customizing installation CDs, I see a definite need
[09:25] <JackHanna> sounds like a good idea.. have you taken a look at this virtual device at VMware that will pxe boot and install iso's for you may go well with your program for an easy to set up and use network installer
[09:25] <LaserJock> duck--: perhaps working with http://lichota.net/~krzysiek/projects/ubuntu-livecd-customization/ would be good
[09:27] <JackHanna> http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/371
[09:27] <duck--> JackHanna: that's an excellent idea as well
[09:27] <duck--> LaserJock: you don't think that this is beyond the scope of the livecd-customization?
[09:28] <JackHanna> at work I love using Altiris Deployment server... I'm such a sucker for a pxe boot OS installer and imageer
[09:28] <JackHanna> imager
[09:29] <JackHanna> I can't even think about manageing computer labs without Altiris
[09:29] <duck--> JackHanna: yeah, that would be nice, at my work we're stuck with ghosting, having to boot each client off a cd to image it
[09:29] <duck--> then send out the image in a multicast from the server
[09:29] <LaserJock> duck--: it'd be great to have one tool for CD customization
[09:29] <JackHanna> yuck, check out that appliance.. I've been meening to look into it
[09:29] <duck--> LaserJock: hmm, yeah indeed.
[09:29] <JackHanna> and I believe there are some other good pxe boot imageing freeware tools out there
[09:31] <duck--> JackHanna: but my issue at hand is pressing, so I'm afraid I can't spend too much time on it at the moment.
[09:31] <JackHanna> isn't that how it always works?
[09:31] <duck--> hehe
[09:31] <JackHanna> anyone work for a library or school?
[09:31] <duck--> i do
[09:32] <JackHanna> witch and where
[09:32] <duck--> Madison Area Technical College, Madison, WI, http://matcmadison.edu
[09:32] <duck--> witch?!!? where!  If she she floats she'
[09:32] <JackHanna> http://www.westervillelibrary.org
[09:33] <duck--> s a witch
[09:34] <LaserJock> burn her!
[09:36] <duck--> :D
[09:36] <highvoltage> LaserJock: is your wife mad at us?
[09:37] <highvoltage> (did she notice her sticker was gone?)
[09:40] <duck--> icky, the live cd customizer kit is all shell scripts.
[09:40] <JackHanna> real men use cli :P
[09:40] <duck--> heh
[09:41] <JackHanna> I'll take mine with nice aqua clickable buttons and shit
[09:41] <duck--> it has a frontend, but the frontend is for the shell scripts
[09:41] <duck--> but what do I know
[09:42] <duck--> i'll be back, i need to reboot
[09:46] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yes, she noticed very quickly in fact. See thought it was weird ;-)
[09:46] <mhz> highvoltage: just in case you wanna know. It seems to me, ion2 desktop is a little bit more friendly than fluxbox and wmaker, because it does update the desktop menu when you install apps. I have not seen icons or backgrounds on it yet, but it does cleverly administer the desktop area.
[09:47] <LaserJock> yeah, menu systems suck ;-)
[09:48] <mhz> highvoltage: and... also wanted to mention that I'll start working on edubuntu-latino (edubuntu lite idea) next week.
[09:48] <mhz> LaserJock: yup, however, gnome, kde and xfce do take care of that
[09:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: heh.
[09:49] <highvoltage> mhz: ion2? ubuntu ships with ion3 :)
[09:50] <mhz> hehehe
[09:51] <LaserJock> I really like openbox
[09:51] <mhz> yup, many nice alternatives
[09:51] <crimsun> (I hope you mean openbox 3 and not openbox 2)
[09:51] <LaserJock> crimsun: uh yeah
[09:52] <LaserJock> openbox 3 has been out for years
[09:52] <crimsun> hey now, I happen to like both openbox 2 and 3
[09:53] <crimsun> I was a blackbox 0.4x user back then
[09:54] <LaserJock> I haven't ever used blackbox much, back in the Gentoo days I tried out virtually all the window managers
[09:55] <crimsun> while I certainly won't discredit shaleh, I do prefer blackbox 0.4x over any current derivatives
[09:56] <crimsun> "use what gets the job done" became my mantra
[09:56] <fowlduck> hello
[09:57] <crimsun> hi
[10:04] <fowlduck> be back in a bit....again
[10:11] <ere> I'm about to add ldap for authentication to a network that consists of two schools and one kindergarten, do you have any suggestions/advice to a beginner in Ldap?
[10:11] <JackHanna> make sure you can restore from backup!
[10:12] <ere> the number of users will be 200+ to begin with. Totally about 100 computers, most running ubuntu/edubuntu, some MS, and a few OSX
[10:12] <JackHanna> if your intrested in a way for lower admins/teachers to make accounts for students have a look at my buddies web project to have Ruby on Rails and a web interface make users for you
[10:13] <ere> JackHanna: that is interesting, url?
[10:13] <JackHanna> http://www.aaronbedra.com/pages/ldap
[10:13] <JackHanna> he made it so we could have patrons with accounts for video editing on the Macs... all the other tools where way to complicated for the librarians to use
[10:16] <ere> JackHanna: how do you structure entries in the DIT? and what kind of information do you store?
[10:16] <JackHanna> I guess just name and password.. but anything could be added. 
[10:17] <JackHanna> just shoot him an email, the link should be on his www page
[10:17] <JackHanna> I couldn't believe no one had made a tool like this before
[10:17] <fowlduck> like what?
[10:18] <fowlduck> what tool?
[10:20] <fowlduck> did I miss something?  when did Sun's JRE/JDK/etc get into the repos?
[10:23] <LaserJock> fowlduck: right before Dapper was released, I believe
[10:23] <fowlduck> wow, very very nice
[10:24] <LaserJock> Sun went to a different license that is a bit more open
[10:24] <th1a> fowlduck:  sabdfl was on stage at Sun One... it was a thing.
[10:24] <fowlduck> wow
[10:25] <LaserJock> yes, we get Java and they get Sparc
[10:25] <fowlduck> ?
[10:25] <fowlduck> the architecture?
[10:26] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:26] <LaserJock> Ubuntu now supports Sparc
[10:31] <fowlduck> nice
[10:32] <fowlduck> LaserJock, I think you do something with docs, right?  There is a broken link here to a deb package: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html
[10:32] <fowlduck> LaserJock, it's the RealPlayer deb
[10:32] <LaserJock> hmm, let me look
[10:37] <LaserJock> fowlduck: hmm, looks like it is broken, I'll file a bug. thanks for noticing
[10:37] <fowlduck> no problem
[10:40] <fowlduck> thanks for filing it, too :)
[11:09] <JackHanna> damn install died again with those 2 missing packages!
[11:14] <fowlduck> same 2?
[11:14] <JackHanna> yep
[11:14] <fowlduck> ouch
[11:14] <fowlduck> sounds broken
[11:15] <fowlduck> be back in a bit
[11:16] <JackHanna> I'm out.. later guys
[11:16] <JackHanna> I'll work on this later
[11:16] <ogra> JackHanna, do you have the correct versiuons ?
[11:16] <ogra> from the error ? 
[11:16] <JackHanna> versiuons?
[11:17] <ogra> fontconfig 2.3.2-1 isnt in ubuntu
[11:17] <JackHanna> It's running again, I ran apt-get update first
[11:17] <ogra> you named that version before
[11:17] <JackHanna> oh... then how is it expected to be installed
[11:17] <JackHanna> ya that's one it asked for
[11:17] <ogra> 2.3.2-1.1ubuntu12 is though
[11:17] <JackHanna> then why is it asking for that package?
[11:18] <ogra> do you have any debian sources in your servers sources list ? 
[11:18] <ogra> if so, reinsatll the server, you cant fix that easily
[11:18] <JackHanna> I don't think so
[11:18] <JackHanna> sigh
[11:18] <ogra> looks to me like you are using a debian veryion of your ltsp package
[11:19] <JackHanna> I ran the quick install guide..... 
[11:19] <ogra> what does: dpkg -l ltsp-server reveal ?
[11:19] <JackHanna> I had also installed easy ubuntu if that adds any wacko repos...
[11:19] <JackHanna> are you going to be around tuesday?
[11:19] <ogra> check with  dpkg -l ltsp-server
[11:20] <ogra> i'm always around ... unless i sleep
[11:20] <ogra> :)
[11:20] <JackHanna> later
[11:20] <ogra> sigh