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kwwiinight all02:24
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nixternalhiya Hobbsee!!!07:25
nixternalcan't get faster then that07:25
Hobbseehi nixternal!!!07:26
=== Hobbsee has a dapper cd now.
nixternalgrrr07:26
nixternali have 20 breezy cd's????07:26
nixternali ordered dapper ;)07:26
Hobbseehehe07:26
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nixternal_g'nite09:30
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kwwiimoin09:55
Hobbseehi kwwii!09:57
kwwiihowdy Hobbsee09:57
kwwiias of 15 minutes ago, I have my own company09:57
kwwii:-)09:57
Hobbseewow!  nice!09:57
kwwiiafter months of work getting permission from the german government09:58
kwwiibtw. my purple theme is coming right along :-)09:58
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Hobbsee:)10:01
Hobbseekwwii: any pictrues of it?10:01
kwwiione second and I will make one10:02
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Hobbseekwwii: cool :)10:04
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kwwiihttp://bootsplash.org/snapshot2.png10:16
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Hobbseenice :)10:19
jpatrickeh...10:21
freeflying-g4kwwii: cool10:22
cmvokwwii: Hi! Looks good.10:23
kwwiicmvo, freeflying-g4: thanks :-)10:24
kwwiiit is just a start, but a good idea, I think10:24
jpatrickwhatever it is...10:25
kwwiiit is my new pink-n-green theme10:26
kwwii:p10:26
Hobbseehehe10:26
Hobbseevery pink and green10:26
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jpatrickHobbsee: i'm not surprised :/10:26
kwwiiI think that hot pink clearly states a message, particularly when combined with teal green10:27
kwwiimy color-blind colleague used to have a pink-n-green desktop10:27
=== Hobbsee wonders what that message is - i know what just hot pink is. presumably it's the same idea as rainbows
Hobbseeouchy10:27
kwwiiI am pretty sure it has something to do with ponies :p10:27
crimsunponies++.10:28
Hobbseeurgh.10:28
Hobbseeponies--;10:28
jpatrickHobbsee: remember: http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/5561/pony14pz.jpg10:30
Hobbseeheh10:30
cmvokwwii: Any ideas for the edgy kdm theme? Maybe something without a dialog box?10:31
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crimsunjpatrick: nein. http://www.personalponies.org/images/PonyMagic.jpg10:32
kwwiiI was thinking about something along that lines...perhaps just a half transparent box or such10:32
crimsun</offtopic>10:32
jpatrickcrimsun: ROFL10:32
kwwiithere is a new patch to remove the lines around the text entry widgets10:32
cmvokwwii: Or a copy of a kde dialog :-)10:35
Seveas%part10:35
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kwwii:-)10:38
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Riddellkwwii: hi11:18
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mornfallhttp://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/random-screens/adept-layout-draft.png11:58
mornfall(the mode bar is not yet implemented)11:58
mornfallhrm, the state filter is slightly messed up but whatever :)12:01
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Riddellmornfall: nice but missing tags?12:47
mornfallobviously, the new tag layout is not implemented yet12:48
mornfallhttp://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/random-screens/adept-tags-draft0.png12:48
Riddellyep12:49
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insanekaneRiddell: could you make some suggestion about why the PDF visual and the actual printout (and PS generated from PDF) could be different in an OOo produced PDF file ?01:01
Riddellinsanekane: I know vey little about pdf or openoffice01:01
insanekaneRiddell: oh well ..01:01
insanekanethanks anyway01:01
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=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates | Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings Mon 26th 21:00UTC
kwwiiRiddell: we need a kubuntu version of this document it seems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Philosophy01:39
kwwiiso if we can come up with a nifty name, I'll start filling in the rest01:40
RiddellArtwork/Documentation/KubuntuPhilosophy sounds good01:41
kwwiihehe, I meant a theme name :-)01:41
kwwiithey have Human01:41
kwwiiI will think about this while taking a nap :p01:42
RiddellPurple Coolness01:44
RiddellBetter than a Purple Face01:44
kwwiilol01:44
RiddellThe Ken Special01:44
Riddellactually Purple Face would be cool01:45
insanekaneoh ... so it01:45
insanekaneoh ... so it's purple on purpose :P01:45
kwwiiI thought "nice ass" would be a name that pretty much everyone can enjoy01:45
kwwiipurple face is actually pretty good01:45
RiddellKubuntu Face would stop it being restricted to a certain colour01:46
kwwiitrue01:46
kwwiithat is the best idea so far01:46
kwwiiI think I will go with that01:46
kwwiisince Humans have faces, it goes well01:46
insanekaneRiddell: have you seen dolphin ?01:48
Riddellinsanekane: nope01:48
insanekaneits a nice and simple file manager01:49
insanekaneRiddell: http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/01:49
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insanekaneRiddell: its a pretty good idea ... to have a seperated file manager and web browser ... and retaining konqueror for the die-hards/power users01:53
Riddellinsanekane: looks interesting, we should make sure we have a package of it once it gets released01:55
OdyXkonqueror is essential for a satisfactory "KDE experience"...01:55
insanekaneOdyX: absolutely01:55
OdyXin my opinion... it's just "THE" KDE spirit...01:56
insanekaneOdyX: very true01:56
OdyXas far as I see, dolphin is "nautilus for KDE", no ?01:56
insanekanehave heard of nautilus ... never used it (the last I saw of gnome was almost 4 years ago)01:57
OdyXwell.. "gnome your KDE if you want... :D01:57
insanekaneOdyX: but, it is a simple file manager01:57
OdyXnope... not only...01:58
OdyXKDE is more than QT+++, it's a way of working, a "philosophy of usability"...01:58
OdyXKDE is made as a whole...01:58
OdyXbut.. for sure... freedom permits you to "permit easy installation" of other stuff like Dolphin...01:58
OdyX:D01:58
OdyXBut I (personnaly) would not like to see dolphin per default...01:59
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insanekaneOdyX: "philosophy of usability" ?!?02:03
OdyXsure...02:04
insanekaneOdyX: more like desktop framework02:04
OdyXthe whole KDE is the application of certain concepts...02:04
insanekanewith emphasis on framework02:04
OdyXGnome is based on different concepts...02:04
insanekaneyeah well02:05
kwwiiactually the gnome people will say that they base their ideas on the HIG, whereas KDE does not really have one of those yet02:05
kwwiibut kde has a more centralized concept by design02:05
Riddellthere's very little in the way of application concepts in KDE02:05
Riddelllibraries more so02:05
insanekaneyeah, for you guys who use english/latin, things sure are easier ;)02:06
OdyX...02:08
Riddellinsanekane: why's that?02:08
insanekanebecause, things for you guys are tied down at a lower level02:08
insanekaneso you don't face many of the problems we do02:08
Riddellinsanekane: such as what?02:09
insanekanesuch as the fact that most latin-based scripts only need single codepoints to be rendered on the screen02:09
insanekanethat is a given02:10
insanekanewhen 2 libraries are written to render text, they take that as an assumption and work with it02:10
RiddellOdyX: we won't use dolphin as default in kubuntu but if it gives KDE 4 developers interesting ideas then it's good to make it available to them02:10
OdyXsure !!!!02:10
Riddellthere's loads of mockup screenshots for what the kde 4 file manager should be like, seems like dophin (and krusader) are the only ones actually impementing something02:11
insanekanesometimes, the only thing common about the libs are that rendering linearly is sufficient to produce english text02:11
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insanekanestuff works only if the assumptions are solidified at higher levels02:12
kwwiiI think this is the direction konqi will take: http://konqueror4.linuxdevel.net/02:12
insanekaneKDE/Qt is a godsend from that point of view02:13
insanekanewell, most of it anyway02:13
Riddellyes, that webpage is very well done02:13
insanekanebut most of the libs out there are not capable of being changed that easily02:14
insanekanei guess we are just too dependent on the west for our software :/02:15
insanekanekwwii: yes, good idea ... but it is not scalable02:16
Riddellmight it also be true to say that latin (and cyrillic) are just the easiest scripts to impement on a computer?02:16
insanekaneRiddell: actually, if one would really follow the standards, then no, they would be as hard02:17
insanekaneRiddell: but, when you short circuit them, then yes, they become very easy02:17
insanekaneRiddell: the very latest Unicode requires you to use combining marks for diacritics ... but i seriously doubt that there are any documents that use it ... and I also seriously doubt that many of the software is even capable of rendering them properly02:18
insanekaneRiddell: it was a pain to try and get OOo to render the latin using combining marks ... and even more difficult to synchronize Qt and OOo to do it ... so I just went ahead and started using PUA codepoints for *latin* characters ... that is going to cause a lot of pain for my users in the future02:19
insanekaneRiddell: what it means in practice, is that software will continue to be easy to develop for latin scripts (because of the laziness of the developers), and software will continue to be unavailable to us02:21
insanekanewell, i guess laziness is too strong a word ... 02:22
insanekanethey just don't have to do it02:22
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insanekaneMicrosoft on the other hand (irrespective of the rest of what they do) are very proactive about supporting world scripts ...02:23
Riddellmost don't know how, implementing all of unicode needs a lot of knowledge02:23
insanekaneRiddell: certainly ... thats why there are libraries02:25
insanekaneRiddell: they just arent used everywhere ...02:25
insanekaneRiddell: in OOo (and in KDE) there are so many places where libs could've been used but arent ... there are many places where libs *are* used. So, software only partially supports non-latin scripts02:26
insanekaneif for e.g., OOo crashes and I happen to be editing a file which has a non-latin name ... I start OOo again, and the recovery dialog shows wierd characters .... one cannot render non-latin text in karbon1402:27
insanekaneRiddell: anyway, sorry for ranting ... just very tired02:27
Riddellinsanekane: it's an interesting rant at least :)02:31
RiddellI can certainly imagine openoffice having unicode problems, that's what you get when you create your own widget set02:31
Lathiatheh02:32
insanekaneRiddell: widget set ? It has nothing to do with that02:35
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insanekaneRiddell: you forget, KDE has the same problems :) atleast, the KDE universe02:36
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Hobbseehi Riddell and insanekane 02:37
insanekaneRiddell: KWord (from KOffice 1.5.2), select some text, and the whole document un-shapes itself! :)02:37
jjessemorning Hobbsee02:37
insanekanehi Hobbsee02:37
Hobbseehi jjesse :)02:37
Hobbseeis there still a meeting tomorrow?02:40
insanekaneisn't the meeting today ?>02:41
Hobbseeinsanekane: in your timezone, probably02:42
Hobbseeiirc it's my 7am tomorrow.02:42
insanekaneHobbsee: its, Mon 26th here02:42
Hobbseesame02:42
jjessebut a lot later in the day :)02:42
Hobbseeyeah02:42
insanekaneHobbsee: 21:00UTC is in another 9 hours02:42
Hobbsee11pm almost02:42
Hobbsee@time sydney02:42
UbugtuCurrent time in Australia/Sydney: June 26 2006, 22:43:0102:43
Hobbsee@time utc02:43
UbugtuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: June 26 2006, 12:43:1002:43
Hobbseeinsanekane: just over 8 hours.  you cant count :P02:43
Hobbseeoh cool, short meeting tomorrow.02:45
Hobbseehardly seems worth getting up for.02:46
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jjesse2100 UTC is always when i'm leaving work :(02:53
jjessewe need to schedule it earlier in the day 02:53
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Hobbseejjesse: got a suitable time for the next meeting?02:56
=== Hobbsee cant make 2100UTC anymore - depending on the next meeting is - maybe that one, but not after that.
insanekaneHobbsee: what's today's meeting about ?02:57
jjesseand we need you to be there cause you are on the council02:57
Hobbseeinsanekane: see the topic02:57
Hobbseejjesse: well, yeah...02:57
Hobbseejjesse: that's the problem02:57
insanekaneHobbsee: one thing ... https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs doesnt mention skim/scim02:57
Hobbseeinsanekane: who does skim stuff get assigned to? 02:58
Riddelllaunchpad doesn't do assignments02:59
insanekaneHobbsee: no idea02:59
insanekaneHobbsee: maybe ming hua ?02:59
HobbseeRiddell: nah, as in groups of packages are assigned to the kubuntu team, and that one isnt.  is that what you're meaning?03:00
Hobbseeinsanekane: freeflying?  yeah, maybe03:00
insanekanefreeflying isn't ming hua is he ?03:00
insanekaneHobbsee: yeah, thats what i mean ... skim isn't assigned to kubuntu team03:01
Hobbseeinsanekane: IIRC yes03:01
RiddellHobbsee: kubuntu-team is subscribed to packages, nothing is assigned to anyone by default in malone you have to assign it manually03:01
insanekanethat might be a problem, depending on whether the "kubuntu team" feels it is important enough or not03:01
Riddelland kubuntu-team should be subscribed to skim, I'll add it03:01
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HobbseeRiddell: ah okay03:01
Hobbseeinsanekane: yeah, but who as such works on the "kubuntu team"03:02
Hobbseebleh, that made no sense.03:02
insanekaneHobbsee: i dont know ... thats why the "kubuntu team" was in quotes ;)03:02
Riddellkubuntu-team's subscriptions are just a handy place to see kubuntu related bugs03:02
Hobbseeinsanekane: all of us :P03:02
Hobbseeexactly03:02
Riddellyou should assign bugs to yourself when you are working on it03:03
HobbseeRiddell: why arent kubuntu members part of bugsquashers or whatever it is?03:03
Riddellkubuntu-members is a closed team, same as ubuntumembers03:03
Riddellwhat does bugsquashers do?03:03
Hobbseeexplain?  as in, all members of kubuntu team are not in that team, but they probably should be03:04
HobbseeRiddell: they fix bugs :P03:04
Hobbseewell, they get access to assigning a bug's priority, etc03:04
jjessedon't we vote on people to be a part of kubuntu team?03:04
Hobbseejjesse: er, no03:05
Hobbseethat's kubuntu-members03:05
jjesseah, i get those two confused sometimes03:05
=== Hobbsee doesnt really see the difference between kubuntu-team and kubuntu-members, except the former being a very useful place to collate bugs.
Riddellkubuntu-team used to be used for listing kubuntu people, now we have kubuntu-members the people in kubuntu-team isn't important03:07
Hobbseeright, so it's just a collating place for bug collecting03:07
Riddellyes03:07
Hobbseegotcha03:07
Hobbseelike i say, my brain's kinda here - but there's stuff that i'm missing...03:08
=== Hobbsee blames exams.
=== Hobbsee got a dapper cd today :D
Hobbseeubuntu though, not kubuntu :(03:08
RiddellHobbsee: they aren't being shipped together?03:09
HobbseeRiddell: dont know - i just got one off pia waugh today :)03:10
=== Hobbsee should try it out.
Riddell** podcast up featuring me! http://www.ubuntuos.com/03:10
HobbseeRiddell: transcript?03:10
RiddellHobbsee: go ahead03:11
Hobbseeno, that *wasnt* the answer i wanted :P03:11
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bddebianHello04:20
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Hobbseehey bddebian!04:24
bddebianHi Hobbsee04:24
jjessebo04:27
bddebianI have BO? :-)04:30
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bddebianMorning DaSkreech :)04:39
DaSkreechHiya hiya!04:39
Hobbseehi DaSkreech 04:40
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DaSkreechMorning Hobbsee :)04:40
Hobbseeevening04:40
DaSkreechWell Yeah I was translating time in my head but I'm sleepy so *glances out window* Morning04:40
Hobbseeheh04:45
Hobbsee @time wherever is useful04:45
DaSkreech@time Aus04:47
DaSkreech@time Jm04:47
Hobbsee@time sydney04:48
UbugtuCurrent time in Australia/Sydney: June 27 2006, 00:48:0904:48
DaSkreechAh04:48
DaSkreech@time Montego bay04:48
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jjessemust not know where montego bay is :)04:48
HobbseeDaSkreech: there's a webpage where it lists all the timezones.04:48
DaSkreechYeah I know it's loading04:48
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RiddellHobbsee: need a wake up call?04:52
Hobbseenight all, night Riddell 04:52
Hobbseeprobably04:52
insanekaneciao Hobbsee04:52
Hobbseewe'll see how trashed i am in the morning - right now i'm pretty exhausted04:52
Hobbseeif the phones off, then i'm staying asleep04:52
DaSkreechNIght04:54
kwwiinight Hobbsee04:59
kwwiisweet dreams04:59
nixternalmoin everyone05:01
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jjessemorning nixternal05:03
jjesseHobbsee: just go to bed :)05:03
Hobbseeit's grown clothing again :(05:04
nixternallol05:04
Hobbseeand if i chuck that all on my desk again, then i wont be able to get there for the meeting tomorrow.05:04
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Hobbseeyeah, that'd be nice05:04
nixternalya Hobbsee you only have 6 hours until the meeting05:04
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Hobbseedont remind me...05:04
nixternallol05:07
HobbseeRiddell: around?05:07
RiddellHobbsee: hi05:07
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nixternalhaha..i just got the 6 hour reminder from Riddell for the meeting...see, i told ya Hobbsee ;)05:20
=== Hobbsee hasnt got that yet.
=== nixternal thinks he did that purposesly ;)
=== Hobbsee has requested that her presense is not at the meeting, unless it's required
=== Hobbsee hasnt seen it yet.
=== Hobbsee probably wont, before meeting
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nixternalwe should make it required ;)05:21
nixternallol05:21
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Hobbseenixternal: it pretty much is - i'm part of the KCC05:21
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nixternali know Hobbsee, but you were trying to sneak out ;)05:22
Hobbseetrue...05:22
nixternalim trying to listen to the Riddell feed from ubuntuos, and amaroK doesn't want to cooperate with the feed05:22
Hobbseei trhink05:22
nixternaltells me therei s no suitable input plugin05:22
nixternalRiddell broke it ;)05:23
Hobbseeof course he did :P05:23
Hobbseebreaking things is fun!05:23
nixternalhis presence destroyed the entire .ogg format05:23
=== Hobbsee wants a transcript :P
nixternali have heard of ugly people breaking cameras...but breaking audio ;)05:24
nixternalLOL05:24
=== Hobbsee doesnt wnat to make one though
=== Hobbsee breaks audio.
=== nixternal breaks everything twice
nixternaljust in case i didn't break enough the first time05:24
kwwiiRiddell: perhaps we should also ship dannyas accesability theme?05:25
nixternalhiya kwwii05:25
=== Hobbsee thinks a sleep BOF for a kubuntu conference could be fun.
kwwiihowdy nixternal05:25
nixternallol05:25
Riddellkwwii: we will, see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAccessibility05:25
Hobbseeokay, reallly night all05:26
kwwiiRiddell: cool :-)05:26
HobbseeRiddell: thanks05:26
abattoirkwwii: hello, would you know where i can find the source for a KDE wallpaper?05:26
Hobbseeabattoir: kde-look.org?05:26
kwwiiabattoir: which one?05:26
abattoirkwwii: /usr/share/wallpapers/KDE34.png05:27
kwwiiabattoir: that should be on kde-look.org and/or on kde-artists.org05:28
abattoirkwwii: i want to remove the KDE logo and move the lineart curve below, if that's possible05:28
abattoirkwwii: ok i'll look there, thanks :) 05:28
kwwiiand/or somewhere on one of my firewire drives05:28
kwwiinot sure if I have exactly that version though05:28
kwwiiand no idea at all where it would be05:29
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abattoirkwwii: never mind, i'll search through kde-artists.org05:29
abattoirwell, AUS should have scored there05:29
Riddellabattoir: kde.org/stuff/clipart.php has some of that wave, but I'm pretty sure that wallpaper has no source05:31
abattoirRiddell: oh ok, i thought authors always kept the source, thanks anyway :) 05:36
Riddellabattoir: remember you're talking about artists here...05:38
kwwiiRiddell: there are sources for that wallpaper05:39
kwwiifound it05:39
kwwiiI have an svg05:39
DaSkreechWhat Riddell feed?05:40
nixternalwww.ubuntuos.com05:40
kwwiiabattoir: http://bootsplash.org/kde35.svg05:41
nixternalyou just need to ff through the audacity stuff..i haven't though...05:41
abattoirkwwii: awesome, thanks a lot05:42
DaSkreechDoes anyone else get the feeling that gioacchino is a bot?05:43
DaSkreechhe/she/it keeps asking questions ina loop followed by thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or tanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!05:45
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kwwiiabattoir: no problem05:47
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nixternalqotd:  "what i like about windows, is that it leads me by the hand"05:52
nixternal^^ insert your punch line into the end of that ;)05:52
DaSkreechRight into the waiting fist?05:53
nixternallol05:53
DaSkreech@time jamaica05:54
UbugtuCurrent time in America/Jamaica: June 26 2006, 10:54:5005:54
nixternaloooh..jamaica05:57
nixternal3 more months...negril here i come05:57
DaSkreechnixternal: I'll come by and say hi if you like05:58
nixternalyou live in jamaica?05:58
DaSkreechLast time I checked the passport05:59
nixternalnice05:59
nixternalrhastafarian man05:59
DaSkreechIt's mon for Americans :)06:02
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nixternalhaha06:02
nixternalhopefully one day, I will be living in Cabo San Lucas...that is my place on earth06:03
DaSkreechWhy?06:03
nixternalthere or greece06:03
nixternal1. i love cabo, the place and the tequila...plus i got twice a year, and for the same price i could just live there ;)06:03
DaSkreech I've always had the theory that everyone has a special spot on earth that speaks to them and there are a few people that will never find it and most people are not living or weren't born in that spot06:04
nixternal2. im a huge sammy hagar fan, and no better place than cabo ;)06:04
DaSkreechHa ha :)06:04
nixternalgood theory06:04
nixternalmy x-wife is from greece, and my visits there have been the best..beautiful islands06:04
kwwiiI have thought seriously about moving to Malta06:05
nixternali also like the countryside in pretty much all the european countries06:05
kwwiisammy hagar comes from my home town06:05
nixternalkwwii understands that the area i am in now, just don't get it for me any more06:05
kwwiihe as better when he couldn't drive 6506:05
nixternalmy daughter almost shares his birthday06:05
kwwiierm 5506:05
nixternallol06:05
nixternalSysinfo for 'MasTequila': Linux 2.6.15-25-k7 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2000+ at 1674 MHz (3351 bogomips), , RAM: 498/502MB, 118 proc's, 2.11d up06:06
nixternallike the name of my puter?06:06
nixternallol06:06
kwwiilol06:06
nixternal3lockbox, mastequila, cabowabo, redrocker, rockcandy, and heavymetal06:06
nixternalall my computer names06:06
kwwiimine are named after science fiction authors06:07
DaSkreechReluctant Superhero?06:07
DaSkreechThat would be a grat name :)06:07
nixternali even name clients systems after hagar/vh songs06:08
nixternallol06:08
nixternaland the Ubuntu/Sun box we did for a client, it got aptly named "WindowsKiller"06:08
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nixternallol06:09
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DaSkreechnixternal: Shouldn't that be uno Mas?06:09
nixternalwo0t06:10
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nixternaldos mas for me06:10
nixternali shall double fist06:10
DaSkreechWell yeah OBVIOUSLY the next computer would have to be called dos MasTequila06:10
nixternalhehe06:11
DaSkreechand so on till you buy one called floor06:11
nixternallol06:11
nixternalor dead06:11
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OdyXHey. How is it possible my KDE is in french without kde-i10n-fr installed ?06:13
RiddellOdyX: language-pack-kde-fr06:13
DaSkreechalias dead = windows06:13
OdyXRiddell: why are there both ?06:14
Riddellkde-i18n-fr is from KDE, language-pack-kde-fr is from rosetta06:15
OdyXdo they overlap ?06:16
OdyXRiddell: the traductions from rosetta come back upstream ?06:18
RiddellOdyX: they don't overlap, rosetta installs to /usr/share/locale-langpack06:20
RiddellOdyX: only if the upstream takes them back06:20
OdyXok06:21
OdyXand is someone fi with kde svn ?06:23
Riddellfi?06:23
OdyXI'd like to extract all the "po's for a particular app (preparation of a particular release (kmplayer-svn) ?06:23
OdyXfi = fit06:23
RiddellOdyX: use svn2disk from kdesdk-scripts06:25
Riddellsvn2dist06:25
OdyXOK.06:25
OdyXI'll take a look. Thanks06:25
Riddellcheckout the module from svn, svn2dist modulename programname06:26
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mornfall/home/mornfall/dev/af-0.4.0/wibble/amorph.h:104:   instantiated from 'bool wibble::Morph<Self, W, Interface>::leq(const wibble::MorphInterface<Interface>*) const [with Self = ept::predicate::PredicateMorph<ept::t::cache::Package<ept::configuration::Apt>, ept::predicate::AttributeAdaptor<ept::t::cache::Package<ept::configuration::Apt>, ept::predicate::match::TagMatch<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt>, ...06:36
mornfall... std::set<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt>, std::less<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> >, std::allocator<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> > > >, std::set<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt>, std::less<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> >, std::allocator<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> > > > >, W = ...06:37
mornfall... ept::predicate::AttributeAdaptor<ept::t::cache::Package<ept::configuration::Apt>, ept::predicate::match::TagMatch<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt>, std::set<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt>, std::less<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> >, std::allocator<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> > > >, std::set<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt>, ...06:37
mornfall... std::less<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> >, std::allocator<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> > > >, Interface = ept::predicate::PredicateInterface<ept::t::cache::Package<ept::configuration::Apt> >] '06:37
mornfall(it's actually a bit longer than i expected, ohwell)06:37
mornfall^^ one line of compile error :)06:37
apokryphosso I just heard the podcast; cool stuff 8)06:41
Riddellmornfall: that's crazy06:41
Riddellapokryphos: do I really sound that posh?06:41
apokryphosRiddell: not at all; was it Americans that said that? ;-)06:42
mornfallit's crazy yea06:42
apokryphosyou did pronounce SUSE wrong though :D06:42
apokryphosand... smart doesn't have auto-remove of depends (not yet, anyway)06:42
Riddellmornfall: I think the error is near a "::"06:43
mornfallRiddell: heh06:43
mornfallthe error is not specified by that line, it's only "instantiated from" line06:43
apokryphosmalone is proprietary? Did not know that; that kinda sucks.06:43
mornfallall of launchpad is, IIRC06:44
apokryphosone of those guys on the talk was also surprisingly annoying. Very loud :P06:44
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mornfallRiddell: it was a missing template parameter :] 06:46
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mornfallg++ is just so helpful...06:46
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mornfalli'm also wondering how faster would adept run compiled with icc06:47
mornfallprobably not that much, but it'd still be interesting06:47
mornfallif i ever get around to finish 2.2 it'll rock06:48
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tomaFor a moment i thought the mail "kubuntu meeting in 6 hours" was kind of a long summary of last weeks summit.06:57
Riddell:)06:57
nixternallol06:57
OdyXRiddell: with svn2dist, should I hav a local copy of *.po's ?06:59
RiddellOdyX: no, it should download them from svn06:59
OdyXOK. I've tried, but it's not well documented...06:59
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nixternalsudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get upgrade    << gnupg update to patch vulnerability07:10
alleeOdyX: ask Koos for the arguments he uses for an release07:13
DaSkreechade07:15
OdyXallee: well.. I'm just trying to make an intermediary release (svn), but I'll ask (but he's pretty "away")07:16
mornfallhttp://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/random-screens/adept-tags-draft1.png07:16
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OdyXany specialist of svn2dist ?07:41
OdyXall the tarballs I get are like kmplayer-version/kmplayer ... it s***07:41
uniqhi.07:41
alleeOdyX: that's fine.  Many (all) kde extras pkgs are like this (e.g., other wise relative include paths may break)07:42
OdyXbut the "official" releases of kmplayer are NOT...07:43
DaSkreechmornfall: How Do you select exclude or include?07:43
alleeInteresting.  'We' gave up on 'remove' pkgname level due to endless build trouble07:44
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mornfallwell, by dragging the tag itself you include it, by dragging the "exclude" label of a tag you exclude it07:44
mornfallboth tags and exclude labels will get mouseover highlight07:44
alleeOdyX: if it build nevertheless I would ignore the diff to official tarballs07:44
mornfalland a tooltip saying what to do with them07:44
OdyXallee: good notice.. .D07:45
alleeOdyX: :)07:45
DaSkreechmornfall: Couldn't that get annoying if you are doing a lot of times?07:47
mornfallDaSkreech: well, how?07:47
mornfallthe drop target is quite near07:47
DaSkreechWell drag in 6 tags then double that for excludes07:47
mornfalldouble what?07:47
mornfallfor each tag, you drag at most once07:47
mornfalleither exclude or include07:48
DaSkreechthe amount of times you have to drag07:48
mornfallit's not like you will drag 12 tags in one search07:50
mornfallfor most searches anyway07:50
DaSkreechYou drag in the tag then drag in another tag to exclude right? so for any exclude you do drag twice?07:50
mornfallnono07:50
DaSkreecha drag07:50
DaSkreechAh ok 07:50
DaSkreechI misread07:50
mornfallyou drag exclude to exclude a tag or the tag itself to include it07:50
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DaSkreechSo what happens if you drag exclude to an empty list07:51
mornfalli have been thinking a lot about this already, if someone has better ideas, tell me :)07:51
mornfallDaSkreech: the tag to which the exclude belongs will be excluded -- so packages tagged with it disappear from the list07:52
mornfalllike "i don't want command line utils" -> drag exclude of command line to decided box07:52
DaSkreechOhhh so each tag has an exclude equal..07:53
mornfallwhen you drop the "exclude" thing, it turns into "User Interface: Not Command Line"07:53
DaSkreechNice07:53
mornfallin the decided list07:53
DaSkreechok07:53
mornfalli so far don't have a better idea on how to get the negated tags into the list07:55
OdyXallee: there is still a problem...07:58
OdyXallee: the debian folder is under kmplayer-version/kmplayer/debian07:59
OdyXand not under kmplayer-version/debian07:59
alleeOdyX: for digikam tarballs we use mv AUTHORS Changelog ... ../08:00
OdyXmeans ? allee ?08:00
alleeOdyX: afair Koos removed debian dir from tarball08:00
OdyXactually.. that's true...08:00
alleeJust  remove the debian dir08:00
OdyXwell.. these are no solutions..08:01
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OdyXhe said "per hand" ...08:01
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OdyXbut it seems to be too much work...08:01
alleeOdyX: oh, he's that masochistic ;)08:01
OdyXand well.. I tried (and spent  the whole day on a very bad bash script...08:01
OdyXand I miss traductions and doc...08:02
alleeOdyX: for digikam we hacked a release_digikam.rb script.  Should not be that hard to adapt for kmplayer08:03
OdyXrb ? ruby ?08:03
alleeyes08:03
OdyXis it on svn ?08:03
alleeyes.  08:03
OdyXwell, I'll take a look...08:04
alleetoplevel extras/graphics/digikam08:04
OdyXok08:05
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tomaallee: 'we' ?08:25
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alleeI hacked a few lines? You didn't? ;)08:27
mndoriddell: hi there..08:27
alleetoma: well, Renchi wrote it.  Rest of us hacked it without knowing ruby, right? :)08:29
tomaallee: no, but almost ;-)08:30
alleetoma: oh, I was sure only you was able to get the i18n stuff right08:31
tomaallee: yeah, i fixed the i18n stuff, espc. when branched. But the original was from konvi iirc08:32
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alleetoma: changed topic: you know a kde core hacker, that you can ask about the current libgphoto plugins error strangeness?08:34
tomayes, ill ping someone in a minute08:34
alleetoma: great!08:37
alleeon #kde-devel (then I will lurk) or private?08:37
tomaformer to start with08:37
alleek08:37
tomaanyone tried google earth?08:47
OdyXtoma: proprietary evil...08:48
OdyX...08:48
toma;-)08:48
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DaSkreechtelnet ascii-wm.net 200609:10
tomaDoes anyone feel like testing http://earth.kde.nl ?09:13
tomaI can setup something similar for the kubuntu community09:13
uniqcool. hope google will make linux ppc binaries some time.. or else i'll have to replace my little sweet ibook.09:18
imbrandontoma, nice09:34
imbrandonyea something like that for kubuntu would be cool09:34
tomaimbrandon: we lack beta testers atm, so give it a shot09:35
imbrandoni will here in a few got a kubuntu meeting here in a few i'm getting ready for but after that i will09:35
tomacool!09:35
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nixternalooh toma, i like the kde earth beta..i just started messing around Jigle and kmz and kml stuff...that is pretty cool09:47
tomanixternal: yes, it is ;-)09:48
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nixternalare you manually updating the kml and kmz files as people upload their locations, or do you have a script that adds their information?09:49
tomanixternal: it's a script. we don't want to do that ;-)09:49
nixternalphp script correct?09:50
tomaespecially when its announced to more a broader public09:50
tomano, i believe its bash foodoo09:50
nixternalahhhh09:50
nixternali have been using some php script that takes the jigle date and converts it to a kml..thats what i was thinking09:50
tomanixternal: i didnt write it myself09:51
nixternali wonder if this is how the debian community keeps their locations...however I haven't seen them on google earth, just the big globe picture at night view09:52
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide is what i was referring to09:53
tomaseems manual to me ;-)09:54
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nixternalt-minus 1 hours until meeting...i need ice cream...i shall return ;)09:58
DaSkreechwhy does no one use World Wind?10:10
alleenixternal: afaik when you are a debian developer you can put your coordinates into the debian ldap directory10:14
nixternalya i seen that allee, i just finished looking over the debian map...10:15
nixternalDaSkreech: worldwin == windows?10:15
DaSkreechMiguel has it running10:15
nixternali don't see a linux version via nasa...somebody else have one?  because from the images... worldwind > gearth10:15
nixternali can see my dog in the back yard almost ;)10:16
nixternalprobably run it via wine10:16
imbrandonmiguel from mono ? its probbly a .net app then10:16
imbrandonbrb10:16
nixternalhttp://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-30-1.html10:17
nixternalimbrandon guessed it right..that or he found the port quicker then i did ;)10:17
imbrandonhuh ?10:17
nixternalit is a .net app10:18
imbrandoni just guessed as i used to hack on mono a bit and know miguel ;)10:18
DaSkreechRight on all accounts :)10:18
imbrandonand its not a port if it runs native , via mono ;)10:18
DaSkreechBut Google bought out keyhole which is why they have uber good quality10:19
nixternalactually...it is a java version10:19
DaSkreech It's a couple million I guess to buy out the earth at the res that Google has it10:19
imbrandonnixternal, looking at it : WW2D now runs on Linux using Mono ......10:19
DaSkreechAnd yes .net app that has no reason to not be written in Mono since all the code is easily workable on Linux10:19
nixternalthe res from what i seen with WW is far greater..but then again..we probably don't have access to those hi-res maps10:20
nixternalim on the ww2d.csoft.net page10:20
imbrandonDaSkreech, you mean written in c# or other .net lang and run on the mono runtime ;)10:20
nixternalgotta have jre2, jogl, and ww2d itself10:20
DaSkreechThey have some decent stuff :) Like near live weather images10:20
DaSkreechimbrandon: Right10:20
DaSkreechnixternal: I think they got tired of people complaining that all Open Source applications that have a hint of cool should run on Linux dagnabit!10:21
nixternallol10:21
nixternalyou said dagnabit10:21
nixternalhahahaha10:21
nixternali know jamaica is south, but not that type of south ;)10:21
DaSkreechSo they have a test version in java10:21
nixternalthere are a lot of addons available for it also10:22
DaSkreechYeah it's really pretty cool10:22
nixternalow...10:23
nixternalsorry just banged my elbow...i can't believe i typed ow...computer modded to body10:23
nixternalthey have addons that will allow you to see b4 and after..like with hurricane katrina...and volcanoes10:23
DaSkreechnixternal: Yeah they release those after most disasters10:25
DaSkreechAnd it comes with most planets in case we need to move to avoid DRM laws :)10:26
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nixternal[15:26]  <DaSkreech> And it comes with most planets in case we need to move to avoid DRM laws :)10:44
nixternalLOL10:44
DaSkreechI guess it being NASA _might_ have something to do with it 10:45
DaSkreechI doubt it though DRM would be the main reason10:45
nixternalim sure DRM will follow us no matter where we go10:48
DaSkreechNot if we don't import money :) I'm certain that all "necessary rights" will suddenly not matter that much anymore10:51
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kwwiithe meeting is starting soon, or?10:58
DaSkreechI take we will get a ping in here?11:00
imbrandonDaSkreech, probbly not just join #ubuntu-meeting , Riddell will start11:01
imbrandonRiddell, you givin hobbsee a wakeup call ? hehe11:02
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seaLnenot if it is a dell :)11:15
kwwii:p11:16
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seaLneyou seen the exploding dell laptops photos?11:16
kwwiiyeah, amazing11:16
DaSkreechkwwii: telnet ascii-wm.net 200611:16
kwwiiDaSkreech: dude, I have it in full color in front of me...why would I want that?11:17
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DaSkreechUp the Geek meter?11:17
kwwiiexactly11:18
LureDaSkreech: not sure how shots from 11m look on telnet - we will see soon ;-)11:29
DaSkreechIt's pretty funny when you can read the ads on the side of the field11:31
seaLneRiddell: was it thursday or friday you said you were coming down?11:35
RiddellseaLne: thursday evening to brighton11:35
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kwwiishit11:37
kwwiiscrew the Ukraine11:37
kwwiithe US should have played switerland11:37
DaSkreechHey They need to get back toRobert Kennedy COllege11:38
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seaLneits really weird that in england people are still allowed to smoke in pubs11:42
OdyXpenaltys are really weird...11:42
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OdyXukrainians were looking for chance with penalty....11:42
OdyXthe got it...11:42
OdyXswitzerland out... back home...11:43
DaSkreechyay! College LInux Proceeds11:43
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