[02:24] <kwwii> night all
[07:25] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!!!
[07:25] <nixternal> can't get faster then that
[07:26] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal!!!
[07:26] <nixternal> grrr
[07:26] <nixternal> i have 20 breezy cd's????
[07:26] <nixternal> i ordered dapper ;)
[07:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:30] <nixternal_> g'nite
[09:55] <kwwii> moin
[09:57] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii!
[09:57] <kwwii> howdy Hobbsee
[09:57] <kwwii> as of 15 minutes ago, I have my own company
[09:57] <kwwii> :-)
[09:57] <Hobbsee> wow!  nice!
[09:58] <kwwii> after months of work getting permission from the german government
[09:58] <kwwii> btw. my purple theme is coming right along :-)
[10:01] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:01] <Hobbsee> kwwii: any pictrues of it?
[10:02] <kwwii> one second and I will make one
[10:04] <Hobbsee> kwwii: cool :)
[10:16] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/snapshot2.png
[10:19] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[10:21] <jpatrick> eh...
[10:22] <freeflying-g4> kwwii: cool
[10:23] <cmvo> kwwii: Hi! Looks good.
[10:24] <kwwii> cmvo, freeflying-g4: thanks :-)
[10:24] <kwwii> it is just a start, but a good idea, I think
[10:25] <jpatrick> whatever it is...
[10:26] <kwwii> it is my new pink-n-green theme
[10:26] <kwwii> :p
[10:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:26] <Hobbsee> very pink and green
[10:26] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: i'm not surprised :/
[10:27] <kwwii> I think that hot pink clearly states a message, particularly when combined with teal green
[10:27] <kwwii> my color-blind colleague used to have a pink-n-green desktop
[10:27] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[10:27] <kwwii> I am pretty sure it has something to do with ponies :p
[10:28] <crimsun> ponies++.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> urgh.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> ponies--;
[10:30] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: remember: http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/5561/pony14pz.jpg
[10:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:31] <cmvo> kwwii: Any ideas for the edgy kdm theme? Maybe something without a dialog box?
[10:32] <crimsun> jpatrick: nein. http://www.personalponies.org/images/PonyMagic.jpg
[10:32] <kwwii> I was thinking about something along that lines...perhaps just a half transparent box or such
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[10:32] <jpatrick> crimsun: ROFL
[10:32] <kwwii> there is a new patch to remove the lines around the text entry widgets
[10:35] <cmvo> kwwii: Or a copy of a kde dialog :-)
[10:35] <Seveas> %part
[10:38] <kwwii> :-)
[11:18] <Riddell> kwwii: hi
[11:58] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/random-screens/adept-layout-draft.png
[11:58] <mornfall> (the mode bar is not yet implemented)
[12:01] <mornfall> hrm, the state filter is slightly messed up but whatever :)
[12:47] <Riddell> mornfall: nice but missing tags?
[12:48] <mornfall> obviously, the new tag layout is not implemented yet
[12:48] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/random-screens/adept-tags-draft0.png
[12:49] <Riddell> yep
[01:01] <insanekane> Riddell: could you make some suggestion about why the PDF visual and the actual printout (and PS generated from PDF) could be different in an OOo produced PDF file ?
[01:01] <Riddell> insanekane: I know vey little about pdf or openoffice
[01:01] <insanekane> Riddell: oh well ..
[01:01] <insanekane> thanks anyway
[01:39] <kwwii> Riddell: we need a kubuntu version of this document it seems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Philosophy
[01:40] <kwwii> so if we can come up with a nifty name, I'll start filling in the rest
[01:41] <Riddell> Artwork/Documentation/KubuntuPhilosophy sounds good
[01:41] <kwwii> hehe, I meant a theme name :-)
[01:41] <kwwii> they have Human
[01:42] <kwwii> I will think about this while taking a nap :p
[01:44] <Riddell> Purple Coolness
[01:44] <Riddell> Better than a Purple Face
[01:44] <kwwii> lol
[01:44] <Riddell> The Ken Special
[01:45] <Riddell> actually Purple Face would be cool
[01:45] <insanekane> oh ... so it
[01:45] <insanekane> oh ... so it's purple on purpose :P
[01:45] <kwwii> I thought "nice ass" would be a name that pretty much everyone can enjoy
[01:45] <kwwii> purple face is actually pretty good
[01:46] <Riddell> Kubuntu Face would stop it being restricted to a certain colour
[01:46] <kwwii> true
[01:46] <kwwii> that is the best idea so far
[01:46] <kwwii> I think I will go with that
[01:46] <kwwii> since Humans have faces, it goes well
[01:48] <insanekane> Riddell: have you seen dolphin ?
[01:48] <Riddell> insanekane: nope
[01:49] <insanekane> its a nice and simple file manager
[01:49] <insanekane> Riddell: http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/
[01:53] <insanekane> Riddell: its a pretty good idea ... to have a seperated file manager and web browser ... and retaining konqueror for the die-hards/power users
[01:55] <Riddell> insanekane: looks interesting, we should make sure we have a package of it once it gets released
[01:55] <OdyX> konqueror is essential for a satisfactory "KDE experience"...
[01:55] <insanekane> OdyX: absolutely
[01:56] <OdyX> in my opinion... it's just "THE" KDE spirit...
[01:56] <insanekane> OdyX: very true
[01:56] <OdyX> as far as I see, dolphin is "nautilus for KDE", no ?
[01:57] <insanekane> have heard of nautilus ... never used it (the last I saw of gnome was almost 4 years ago)
[01:57] <OdyX> well.. "gnome your KDE if you want... :D
[01:57] <insanekane> OdyX: but, it is a simple file manager
[01:58] <OdyX> nope... not only...
[01:58] <OdyX> KDE is more than QT+++, it's a way of working, a "philosophy of usability"...
[01:58] <OdyX> KDE is made as a whole...
[01:58] <OdyX> but.. for sure... freedom permits you to "permit easy installation" of other stuff like Dolphin...
[01:58] <OdyX> :D
[01:59] <OdyX> But I (personnaly) would not like to see dolphin per default...
[02:03] <insanekane> OdyX: "philosophy of usability" ?!?
[02:04] <OdyX> sure...
[02:04] <insanekane> OdyX: more like desktop framework
[02:04] <OdyX> the whole KDE is the application of certain concepts...
[02:04] <insanekane> with emphasis on framework
[02:04] <OdyX> Gnome is based on different concepts...
[02:05] <insanekane> yeah well
[02:05] <kwwii> actually the gnome people will say that they base their ideas on the HIG, whereas KDE does not really have one of those yet
[02:05] <kwwii> but kde has a more centralized concept by design
[02:05] <Riddell> there's very little in the way of application concepts in KDE
[02:05] <Riddell> libraries more so
[02:06] <insanekane> yeah, for you guys who use english/latin, things sure are easier ;)
[02:08] <OdyX> ...
[02:08] <Riddell> insanekane: why's that?
[02:08] <insanekane> because, things for you guys are tied down at a lower level
[02:08] <insanekane> so you don't face many of the problems we do
[02:09] <Riddell> insanekane: such as what?
[02:09] <insanekane> such as the fact that most latin-based scripts only need single codepoints to be rendered on the screen
[02:10] <insanekane> that is a given
[02:10] <insanekane> when 2 libraries are written to render text, they take that as an assumption and work with it
[02:10] <Riddell> OdyX: we won't use dolphin as default in kubuntu but if it gives KDE 4 developers interesting ideas then it's good to make it available to them
[02:10] <OdyX> sure !!!!
[02:11] <Riddell> there's loads of mockup screenshots for what the kde 4 file manager should be like, seems like dophin (and krusader) are the only ones actually impementing something
[02:11] <insanekane> sometimes, the only thing common about the libs are that rendering linearly is sufficient to produce english text
[02:12] <insanekane> stuff works only if the assumptions are solidified at higher levels
[02:12] <kwwii> I think this is the direction konqi will take: http://konqueror4.linuxdevel.net/
[02:13] <insanekane> KDE/Qt is a godsend from that point of view
[02:13] <insanekane> well, most of it anyway
[02:13] <Riddell> yes, that webpage is very well done
[02:14] <insanekane> but most of the libs out there are not capable of being changed that easily
[02:15] <insanekane> i guess we are just too dependent on the west for our software :/
[02:16] <insanekane> kwwii: yes, good idea ... but it is not scalable
[02:16] <Riddell> might it also be true to say that latin (and cyrillic) are just the easiest scripts to impement on a computer?
[02:17] <insanekane> Riddell: actually, if one would really follow the standards, then no, they would be as hard
[02:17] <insanekane> Riddell: but, when you short circuit them, then yes, they become very easy
[02:18] <insanekane> Riddell: the very latest Unicode requires you to use combining marks for diacritics ... but i seriously doubt that there are any documents that use it ... and I also seriously doubt that many of the software is even capable of rendering them properly
[02:19] <insanekane> Riddell: it was a pain to try and get OOo to render the latin using combining marks ... and even more difficult to synchronize Qt and OOo to do it ... so I just went ahead and started using PUA codepoints for *latin* characters ... that is going to cause a lot of pain for my users in the future
[02:21] <insanekane> Riddell: what it means in practice, is that software will continue to be easy to develop for latin scripts (because of the laziness of the developers), and software will continue to be unavailable to us
[02:22] <insanekane> well, i guess laziness is too strong a word ... 
[02:22] <insanekane> they just don't have to do it
[02:23] <insanekane> Microsoft on the other hand (irrespective of the rest of what they do) are very proactive about supporting world scripts ...
[02:23] <Riddell> most don't know how, implementing all of unicode needs a lot of knowledge
[02:25] <insanekane> Riddell: certainly ... thats why there are libraries
[02:25] <insanekane> Riddell: they just arent used everywhere ...
[02:26] <insanekane> Riddell: in OOo (and in KDE) there are so many places where libs could've been used but arent ... there are many places where libs *are* used. So, software only partially supports non-latin scripts
[02:27] <insanekane> if for e.g., OOo crashes and I happen to be editing a file which has a non-latin name ... I start OOo again, and the recovery dialog shows wierd characters .... one cannot render non-latin text in karbon14
[02:27] <insanekane> Riddell: anyway, sorry for ranting ... just very tired
[02:31] <Riddell> insanekane: it's an interesting rant at least :)
[02:31] <Riddell> I can certainly imagine openoffice having unicode problems, that's what you get when you create your own widget set
[02:32] <Lathiat> heh
[02:35] <insanekane> Riddell: widget set ? It has nothing to do with that
[02:36] <insanekane> Riddell: you forget, KDE has the same problems :) atleast, the KDE universe
[02:37] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell and insanekane 
[02:37] <insanekane> Riddell: KWord (from KOffice 1.5.2), select some text, and the whole document un-shapes itself! :)
[02:37] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee
[02:37] <insanekane> hi Hobbsee
[02:37] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse :)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> is there still a meeting tomorrow?
[02:41] <insanekane> isn't the meeting today ?>
[02:42] <Hobbsee> insanekane: in your timezone, probably
[02:42] <Hobbsee> iirc it's my 7am tomorrow.
[02:42] <insanekane> Hobbsee: its, Mon 26th here
[02:42] <Hobbsee> same
[02:42] <jjesse> but a lot later in the day :)
[02:42] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:42] <insanekane> Hobbsee: 21:00UTC is in another 9 hours
[02:42] <Hobbsee> 11pm almost
[02:42] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[02:43] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: June 26 2006, 22:43:01
[02:43] <Hobbsee> @time utc
[02:43] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: June 26 2006, 12:43:10
[02:43] <Hobbsee> insanekane: just over 8 hours.  you cant count :P
[02:45] <Hobbsee> oh cool, short meeting tomorrow.
[02:46] <Hobbsee> hardly seems worth getting up for.
[02:53] <jjesse> 2100 UTC is always when i'm leaving work :(
[02:53] <jjesse> we need to schedule it earlier in the day 
[02:56] <Hobbsee> jjesse: got a suitable time for the next meeting?
[02:57] <insanekane> Hobbsee: what's today's meeting about ?
[02:57] <jjesse> and we need you to be there cause you are on the council
[02:57] <Hobbsee> insanekane: see the topic
[02:57] <Hobbsee> jjesse: well, yeah...
[02:57] <Hobbsee> jjesse: that's the problem
[02:57] <insanekane> Hobbsee: one thing ... https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs doesnt mention skim/scim
[02:58] <Hobbsee> insanekane: who does skim stuff get assigned to? 
[02:59] <Riddell> launchpad doesn't do assignments
[02:59] <insanekane> Hobbsee: no idea
[02:59] <insanekane> Hobbsee: maybe ming hua ?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nah, as in groups of packages are assigned to the kubuntu team, and that one isnt.  is that what you're meaning?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> insanekane: freeflying?  yeah, maybe
[03:00] <insanekane> freeflying isn't ming hua is he ?
[03:01] <insanekane> Hobbsee: yeah, thats what i mean ... skim isn't assigned to kubuntu team
[03:01] <Hobbsee> insanekane: IIRC yes
[03:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kubuntu-team is subscribed to packages, nothing is assigned to anyone by default in malone you have to assign it manually
[03:01] <insanekane> that might be a problem, depending on whether the "kubuntu team" feels it is important enough or not
[03:01] <Riddell> and kubuntu-team should be subscribed to skim, I'll add it
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah okay
[03:02] <Hobbsee> insanekane: yeah, but who as such works on the "kubuntu team"
[03:02] <Hobbsee> bleh, that made no sense.
[03:02] <insanekane> Hobbsee: i dont know ... thats why the "kubuntu team" was in quotes ;)
[03:02] <Riddell> kubuntu-team's subscriptions are just a handy place to see kubuntu related bugs
[03:02] <Hobbsee> insanekane: all of us :P
[03:02] <Hobbsee> exactly
[03:03] <Riddell> you should assign bugs to yourself when you are working on it
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why arent kubuntu members part of bugsquashers or whatever it is?
[03:03] <Riddell> kubuntu-members is a closed team, same as ubuntumembers
[03:03] <Riddell> what does bugsquashers do?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> explain?  as in, all members of kubuntu team are not in that team, but they probably should be
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: they fix bugs :P
[03:04] <Hobbsee> well, they get access to assigning a bug's priority, etc
[03:04] <jjesse> don't we vote on people to be a part of kubuntu team?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> jjesse: er, no
[03:05] <Hobbsee> that's kubuntu-members
[03:05] <jjesse> ah, i get those two confused sometimes
[03:07] <Riddell> kubuntu-team used to be used for listing kubuntu people, now we have kubuntu-members the people in kubuntu-team isn't important
[03:07] <Hobbsee> right, so it's just a collating place for bug collecting
[03:07] <Riddell> yes
[03:07] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[03:08] <Hobbsee> like i say, my brain's kinda here - but there's stuff that i'm missing...
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ubuntu though, not kubuntu :(
[03:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: they aren't being shipped together?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: dont know - i just got one off pia waugh today :)
[03:10] <Riddell> ** podcast up featuring me! http://www.ubuntuos.com/
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: transcript?
[03:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: go ahead
[03:11] <Hobbsee> no, that *wasnt* the answer i wanted :P
[04:20] <bddebian> Hello
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian!
[04:24] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:27] <jjesse> bo
[04:30] <bddebian> I have BO? :-)
[04:39] <bddebian> Morning DaSkreech :)
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Hiya hiya!
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech 
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Morning Hobbsee :)
[04:40] <Hobbsee> evening
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Well Yeah I was translating time in my head but I'm sleepy so *glances out window* Morning
[04:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:45] <Hobbsee>  @time wherever is useful
[04:47] <DaSkreech> @time Aus
[04:47] <DaSkreech> @time Jm
[04:48] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[04:48] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: June 27 2006, 00:48:09
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Ah
[04:48] <DaSkreech> @time Montego bay
[04:48] <jjesse> must not know where montego bay is :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: there's a webpage where it lists all the timezones.
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know it's loading
[04:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: need a wake up call?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> night all, night Riddell 
[04:52] <Hobbsee> probably
[04:52] <insanekane> ciao Hobbsee
[04:52] <Hobbsee> we'll see how trashed i am in the morning - right now i'm pretty exhausted
[04:52] <Hobbsee> if the phones off, then i'm staying asleep
[04:54] <DaSkreech> NIght
[04:59] <kwwii> night Hobbsee
[04:59] <kwwii> sweet dreams
[05:01] <nixternal> moin everyone
[05:03] <jjesse> morning nixternal
[05:03] <jjesse> Hobbsee: just go to bed :)
[05:04] <Hobbsee> it's grown clothing again :(
[05:04] <nixternal> lol
[05:04] <Hobbsee> and if i chuck that all on my desk again, then i wont be able to get there for the meeting tomorrow.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, that'd be nice
[05:04] <nixternal> ya Hobbsee you only have 6 hours until the meeting
[05:04] <Hobbsee> dont remind me...
[05:07] <nixternal> lol
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: around?
[05:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hi
[05:20] <nixternal> haha..i just got the 6 hour reminder from Riddell for the meeting...see, i told ya Hobbsee ;)
[05:21] <nixternal> we should make it required ;)
[05:21] <nixternal> lol
[05:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it pretty much is - i'm part of the KCC
[05:22] <nixternal> i know Hobbsee, but you were trying to sneak out ;)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> true...
[05:22] <nixternal> im trying to listen to the Riddell feed from ubuntuos, and amaroK doesn't want to cooperate with the feed
[05:22] <Hobbsee> i trhink
[05:22] <nixternal> tells me therei s no suitable input plugin
[05:23] <nixternal> Riddell broke it ;)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> of course he did :P
[05:23] <Hobbsee> breaking things is fun!
[05:23] <nixternal> his presence destroyed the entire .ogg format
[05:24] <nixternal> i have heard of ugly people breaking cameras...but breaking audio ;)
[05:24] <nixternal> LOL
[05:24] <nixternal> just in case i didn't break enough the first time
[05:25] <kwwii> Riddell: perhaps we should also ship dannyas accesability theme?
[05:25] <nixternal> hiya kwwii
[05:25] <kwwii> howdy nixternal
[05:25] <nixternal> lol
[05:25] <Riddell> kwwii: we will, see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAccessibility
[05:26] <Hobbsee> okay, reallly night all
[05:26] <kwwii> Riddell: cool :-)
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks
[05:26] <abattoir> kwwii: hello, would you know where i can find the source for a KDE wallpaper?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> abattoir: kde-look.org?
[05:26] <kwwii> abattoir: which one?
[05:27] <abattoir> kwwii: /usr/share/wallpapers/KDE34.png
[05:28] <kwwii> abattoir: that should be on kde-look.org and/or on kde-artists.org
[05:28] <abattoir> kwwii: i want to remove the KDE logo and move the lineart curve below, if that's possible
[05:28] <abattoir> kwwii: ok i'll look there, thanks :) 
[05:28] <kwwii> and/or somewhere on one of my firewire drives
[05:28] <kwwii> not sure if I have exactly that version though
[05:29] <kwwii> and no idea at all where it would be
[05:29] <abattoir> kwwii: never mind, i'll search through kde-artists.org
[05:29] <abattoir> well, AUS should have scored there
[05:31] <Riddell> abattoir: kde.org/stuff/clipart.php has some of that wave, but I'm pretty sure that wallpaper has no source
[05:36] <abattoir> Riddell: oh ok, i thought authors always kept the source, thanks anyway :) 
[05:38] <Riddell> abattoir: remember you're talking about artists here...
[05:39] <kwwii> Riddell: there are sources for that wallpaper
[05:39] <kwwii> found it
[05:39] <kwwii> I have an svg
[05:40] <DaSkreech> What Riddell feed?
[05:40] <nixternal> www.ubuntuos.com
[05:41] <kwwii> abattoir: http://bootsplash.org/kde35.svg
[05:41] <nixternal> you just need to ff through the audacity stuff..i haven't though...
[05:42] <abattoir> kwwii: awesome, thanks a lot
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Does anyone else get the feeling that gioacchino is a bot?
[05:45] <DaSkreech> he/she/it keeps asking questions ina loop followed by thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or tanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:47] <kwwii> abattoir: no problem
[05:52] <nixternal> qotd:  "what i like about windows, is that it leads me by the hand"
[05:52] <nixternal> ^^ insert your punch line into the end of that ;)
[05:53] <DaSkreech> Right into the waiting fist?
[05:53] <nixternal> lol
[05:54] <DaSkreech> @time jamaica
[05:54] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Jamaica: June 26 2006, 10:54:50
[05:57] <nixternal> oooh..jamaica
[05:57] <nixternal> 3 more months...negril here i come
[05:58] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I'll come by and say hi if you like
[05:58] <nixternal> you live in jamaica?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Last time I checked the passport
[05:59] <nixternal> nice
[05:59] <nixternal> rhastafarian man
[06:02] <DaSkreech> It's mon for Americans :)
[06:02] <nixternal> haha
[06:03] <nixternal> hopefully one day, I will be living in Cabo San Lucas...that is my place on earth
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Why?
[06:03] <nixternal> there or greece
[06:03] <nixternal> 1. i love cabo, the place and the tequila...plus i got twice a year, and for the same price i could just live there ;)
[06:04] <DaSkreech>  I've always had the theory that everyone has a special spot on earth that speaks to them and there are a few people that will never find it and most people are not living or weren't born in that spot
[06:04] <nixternal> 2. im a huge sammy hagar fan, and no better place than cabo ;)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[06:04] <nixternal> good theory
[06:04] <nixternal> my x-wife is from greece, and my visits there have been the best..beautiful islands
[06:05] <kwwii> I have thought seriously about moving to Malta
[06:05] <nixternal> i also like the countryside in pretty much all the european countries
[06:05] <kwwii> sammy hagar comes from my home town
[06:05] <nixternal> kwwii understands that the area i am in now, just don't get it for me any more
[06:05] <kwwii> he as better when he couldn't drive 65
[06:05] <nixternal> my daughter almost shares his birthday
[06:05] <kwwii> erm 55
[06:05] <nixternal> lol
[06:06] <nixternal> Sysinfo for 'MasTequila': Linux 2.6.15-25-k7 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2000+ at 1674 MHz (3351 bogomips), , RAM: 498/502MB, 118 proc's, 2.11d up
[06:06] <nixternal> like the name of my puter?
[06:06] <nixternal> lol
[06:06] <kwwii> lol
[06:06] <nixternal> 3lockbox, mastequila, cabowabo, redrocker, rockcandy, and heavymetal
[06:06] <nixternal> all my computer names
[06:07] <kwwii> mine are named after science fiction authors
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Reluctant Superhero?
[06:07] <DaSkreech> That would be a grat name :)
[06:08] <nixternal> i even name clients systems after hagar/vh songs
[06:08] <nixternal> lol
[06:08] <nixternal> and the Ubuntu/Sun box we did for a client, it got aptly named "WindowsKiller"
[06:09] <nixternal> lol
[06:09] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Shouldn't that be uno Mas?
[06:10] <nixternal> wo0t
[06:10] <nixternal> dos mas for me
[06:10] <nixternal> i shall double fist
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Well yeah OBVIOUSLY the next computer would have to be called dos MasTequila
[06:11] <nixternal> hehe
[06:11] <DaSkreech> and so on till you buy one called floor
[06:11] <nixternal> lol
[06:11] <nixternal> or dead
[06:13] <OdyX> Hey. How is it possible my KDE is in french without kde-i10n-fr installed ?
[06:13] <Riddell> OdyX: language-pack-kde-fr
[06:13] <DaSkreech> alias dead = windows
[06:14] <OdyX> Riddell: why are there both ?
[06:15] <Riddell> kde-i18n-fr is from KDE, language-pack-kde-fr is from rosetta
[06:16] <OdyX> do they overlap ?
[06:18] <OdyX> Riddell: the traductions from rosetta come back upstream ?
[06:20] <Riddell> OdyX: they don't overlap, rosetta installs to /usr/share/locale-langpack
[06:20] <Riddell> OdyX: only if the upstream takes them back
[06:21] <OdyX> ok
[06:23] <OdyX> and is someone fi with kde svn ?
[06:23] <Riddell> fi?
[06:23] <OdyX> I'd like to extract all the "po's for a particular app (preparation of a particular release (kmplayer-svn) ?
[06:23] <OdyX> fi = fit
[06:25] <Riddell> OdyX: use svn2disk from kdesdk-scripts
[06:25] <Riddell> svn2dist
[06:25] <OdyX> OK.
[06:25] <OdyX> I'll take a look. Thanks
[06:26] <Riddell> checkout the module from svn, svn2dist modulename programname
[06:36] <mornfall> /home/mornfall/dev/af-0.4.0/wibble/amorph.h:104:   instantiated from 'bool wibble::Morph<Self, W, Interface>::leq(const wibble::MorphInterface<Interface>*) const [with Self = ept::predicate::PredicateMorph<ept::t::cache::Package<ept::configuration::Apt>, ept::predicate::AttributeAdaptor<ept::t::cache::Package<ept::configuration::Apt>, ept::predicate::match::TagMatch<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt>, ...
[06:37] <mornfall> ... std::set<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt>, std::less<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> >, std::allocator<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> > > >, std::set<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt>, std::less<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> >, std::allocator<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> > > > >, W = ...
[06:37] <mornfall> ... ept::predicate::AttributeAdaptor<ept::t::cache::Package<ept::configuration::Apt>, ept::predicate::match::TagMatch<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt>, std::set<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt>, std::less<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> >, std::allocator<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> > > >, std::set<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt>, ...
[06:37] <mornfall> ... std::less<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> >, std::allocator<ept::t::cache::Tag<ept::configuration::Apt> > > >, Interface = ept::predicate::PredicateInterface<ept::t::cache::Package<ept::configuration::Apt> >] '
[06:37] <mornfall> (it's actually a bit longer than i expected, ohwell)
[06:37] <mornfall> ^^ one line of compile error :)
[06:41] <apokryphos> so I just heard the podcast; cool stuff 8)
[06:41] <Riddell> mornfall: that's crazy
[06:41] <Riddell> apokryphos: do I really sound that posh?
[06:42] <apokryphos> Riddell: not at all; was it Americans that said that? ;-)
[06:42] <mornfall> it's crazy yea
[06:42] <apokryphos> you did pronounce SUSE wrong though :D
[06:42] <apokryphos> and... smart doesn't have auto-remove of depends (not yet, anyway)
[06:43] <Riddell> mornfall: I think the error is near a "::"
[06:43] <mornfall> Riddell: heh
[06:43] <mornfall> the error is not specified by that line, it's only "instantiated from" line
[06:43] <apokryphos> malone is proprietary? Did not know that; that kinda sucks.
[06:44] <mornfall> all of launchpad is, IIRC
[06:44] <apokryphos> one of those guys on the talk was also surprisingly annoying. Very loud :P
[06:46] <mornfall> Riddell: it was a missing template parameter :] 
[06:46] <mornfall> g++ is just so helpful...
[06:47] <mornfall> i'm also wondering how faster would adept run compiled with icc
[06:47] <mornfall> probably not that much, but it'd still be interesting
[06:48] <mornfall> if i ever get around to finish 2.2 it'll rock
[06:57] <toma> For a moment i thought the mail "kubuntu meeting in 6 hours" was kind of a long summary of last weeks summit.
[06:57] <Riddell> :)
[06:57] <nixternal> lol
[06:59] <OdyX> Riddell: with svn2dist, should I hav a local copy of *.po's ?
[06:59] <Riddell> OdyX: no, it should download them from svn
[06:59] <OdyX> OK. I've tried, but it's not well documented...
[07:10] <nixternal> sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get upgrade    << gnupg update to patch vulnerability
[07:13] <allee> OdyX: ask Koos for the arguments he uses for an release
[07:15] <DaSkreech> ade
[07:16] <OdyX> allee: well.. I'm just trying to make an intermediary release (svn), but I'll ask (but he's pretty "away")
[07:16] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/random-screens/adept-tags-draft1.png
[07:41] <OdyX> any specialist of svn2dist ?
[07:41] <OdyX> all the tarballs I get are like kmplayer-version/kmplayer ... it s***
[07:41] <uniq> hi.
[07:42] <allee> OdyX: that's fine.  Many (all) kde extras pkgs are like this (e.g., other wise relative include paths may break)
[07:43] <OdyX> but the "official" releases of kmplayer are NOT...
[07:43] <DaSkreech> mornfall: How Do you select exclude or include?
[07:44] <allee> Interesting.  'We' gave up on 'remove' pkgname level due to endless build trouble
[07:44] <mornfall> well, by dragging the tag itself you include it, by dragging the "exclude" label of a tag you exclude it
[07:44] <mornfall> both tags and exclude labels will get mouseover highlight
[07:44] <allee> OdyX: if it build nevertheless I would ignore the diff to official tarballs
[07:44] <mornfall> and a tooltip saying what to do with them
[07:45] <OdyX> allee: good notice.. .D
[07:45] <allee> OdyX: :)
[07:47] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Couldn't that get annoying if you are doing a lot of times?
[07:47] <mornfall> DaSkreech: well, how?
[07:47] <mornfall> the drop target is quite near
[07:47] <DaSkreech> Well drag in 6 tags then double that for excludes
[07:47] <mornfall> double what?
[07:47] <mornfall> for each tag, you drag at most once
[07:48] <mornfall> either exclude or include
[07:48] <DaSkreech> the amount of times you have to drag
[07:50] <mornfall> it's not like you will drag 12 tags in one search
[07:50] <mornfall> for most searches anyway
[07:50] <DaSkreech> You drag in the tag then drag in another tag to exclude right? so for any exclude you do drag twice?
[07:50] <mornfall> nono
[07:50] <DaSkreech> a drag
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Ah ok 
[07:50] <DaSkreech> I misread
[07:50] <mornfall> you drag exclude to exclude a tag or the tag itself to include it
[07:51] <DaSkreech> So what happens if you drag exclude to an empty list
[07:51] <mornfall> i have been thinking a lot about this already, if someone has better ideas, tell me :)
[07:52] <mornfall> DaSkreech: the tag to which the exclude belongs will be excluded -- so packages tagged with it disappear from the list
[07:52] <mornfall> like "i don't want command line utils" -> drag exclude of command line to decided box
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Ohhh so each tag has an exclude equal..
[07:53] <mornfall> when you drop the "exclude" thing, it turns into "User Interface: Not Command Line"
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Nice
[07:53] <mornfall> in the decided list
[07:53] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:55] <mornfall> i so far don't have a better idea on how to get the negated tags into the list
[07:58] <OdyX> allee: there is still a problem...
[07:59] <OdyX> allee: the debian folder is under kmplayer-version/kmplayer/debian
[07:59] <OdyX> and not under kmplayer-version/debian
[08:00] <allee> OdyX: for digikam tarballs we use mv AUTHORS Changelog ... ../
[08:00] <OdyX> means ? allee ?
[08:00] <allee> OdyX: afair Koos removed debian dir from tarball
[08:00] <OdyX> actually.. that's true...
[08:00] <allee> Just  remove the debian dir
[08:01] <OdyX> well.. these are no solutions..
[08:01] <OdyX> he said "per hand" ...
[08:01] <OdyX> but it seems to be too much work...
[08:01] <allee> OdyX: oh, he's that masochistic ;)
[08:01] <OdyX> and well.. I tried (and spent  the whole day on a very bad bash script...
[08:02] <OdyX> and I miss traductions and doc...
[08:03] <allee> OdyX: for digikam we hacked a release_digikam.rb script.  Should not be that hard to adapt for kmplayer
[08:03] <OdyX> rb ? ruby ?
[08:03] <allee> yes
[08:03] <OdyX> is it on svn ?
[08:03] <allee> yes.  
[08:04] <OdyX> well, I'll take a look...
[08:04] <allee> toplevel extras/graphics/digikam
[08:05] <OdyX> ok
[08:25] <toma> allee: 'we' ?
[08:27] <allee> I hacked a few lines? You didn't? ;)
[08:27] <mndo> riddell: hi there..
[08:29] <allee> toma: well, Renchi wrote it.  Rest of us hacked it without knowing ruby, right? :)
[08:30] <toma> allee: no, but almost ;-)
[08:31] <allee> toma: oh, I was sure only you was able to get the i18n stuff right
[08:32] <toma> allee: yeah, i fixed the i18n stuff, espc. when branched. But the original was from konvi iirc
[08:34] <allee> toma: changed topic: you know a kde core hacker, that you can ask about the current libgphoto plugins error strangeness?
[08:34] <toma> yes, ill ping someone in a minute
[08:37] <allee> toma: great!
[08:37] <allee> on #kde-devel (then I will lurk) or private?
[08:37] <toma> former to start with
[08:37] <allee> k
[08:47] <toma> anyone tried google earth?
[08:48] <OdyX> toma: proprietary evil...
[08:48] <OdyX> ...
[08:48] <toma> ;-)
[09:10] <DaSkreech> telnet ascii-wm.net 2006
[09:13] <toma> Does anyone feel like testing http://earth.kde.nl ?
[09:13] <toma> I can setup something similar for the kubuntu community
[09:18] <uniq> cool. hope google will make linux ppc binaries some time.. or else i'll have to replace my little sweet ibook.
[09:34] <imbrandon> toma, nice
[09:34] <imbrandon> yea something like that for kubuntu would be cool
[09:35] <toma> imbrandon: we lack beta testers atm, so give it a shot
[09:35] <imbrandon> i will here in a few got a kubuntu meeting here in a few i'm getting ready for but after that i will
[09:35] <toma> cool!
[09:47] <nixternal> ooh toma, i like the kde earth beta..i just started messing around Jigle and kmz and kml stuff...that is pretty cool
[09:48] <toma> nixternal: yes, it is ;-)
[09:49] <nixternal> are you manually updating the kml and kmz files as people upload their locations, or do you have a script that adds their information?
[09:49] <toma> nixternal: it's a script. we don't want to do that ;-)
[09:50] <nixternal> php script correct?
[09:50] <toma> especially when its announced to more a broader public
[09:50] <toma> no, i believe its bash foodoo
[09:50] <nixternal> ahhhh
[09:50] <nixternal> i have been using some php script that takes the jigle date and converts it to a kml..thats what i was thinking
[09:51] <toma> nixternal: i didnt write it myself
[09:52] <nixternal> i wonder if this is how the debian community keeps their locations...however I haven't seen them on google earth, just the big globe picture at night view
[09:53] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide is what i was referring to
[09:54] <toma> seems manual to me ;-)
[09:58] <nixternal> t-minus 1 hours until meeting...i need ice cream...i shall return ;)
[10:10] <DaSkreech> why does no one use World Wind?
[10:14] <allee> nixternal: afaik when you are a debian developer you can put your coordinates into the debian ldap directory
[10:15] <nixternal> ya i seen that allee, i just finished looking over the debian map...
[10:15] <nixternal> DaSkreech: worldwin == windows?
[10:15] <DaSkreech> Miguel has it running
[10:15] <nixternal> i don't see a linux version via nasa...somebody else have one?  because from the images... worldwind > gearth
[10:16] <nixternal> i can see my dog in the back yard almost ;)
[10:16] <nixternal> probably run it via wine
[10:16] <imbrandon> miguel from mono ? its probbly a .net app then
[10:16] <imbrandon> brb
[10:17] <nixternal> http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-30-1.html
[10:17] <nixternal> imbrandon guessed it right..that or he found the port quicker then i did ;)
[10:17] <imbrandon> huh ?
[10:18] <nixternal> it is a .net app
[10:18] <imbrandon> i just guessed as i used to hack on mono a bit and know miguel ;)
[10:18] <DaSkreech> Right on all accounts :)
[10:18] <imbrandon> and its not a port if it runs native , via mono ;)
[10:19] <DaSkreech> But Google bought out keyhole which is why they have uber good quality
[10:19] <nixternal> actually...it is a java version
[10:19] <DaSkreech>  It's a couple million I guess to buy out the earth at the res that Google has it
[10:19] <imbrandon> nixternal, looking at it : WW2D now runs on Linux using Mono ......
[10:19] <DaSkreech> And yes .net app that has no reason to not be written in Mono since all the code is easily workable on Linux
[10:20] <nixternal> the res from what i seen with WW is far greater..but then again..we probably don't have access to those hi-res maps
[10:20] <nixternal> im on the ww2d.csoft.net page
[10:20] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, you mean written in c# or other .net lang and run on the mono runtime ;)
[10:20] <nixternal> gotta have jre2, jogl, and ww2d itself
[10:20] <DaSkreech> They have some decent stuff :) Like near live weather images
[10:20] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Right
[10:21] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I think they got tired of people complaining that all Open Source applications that have a hint of cool should run on Linux dagnabit!
[10:21] <nixternal> lol
[10:21] <nixternal> you said dagnabit
[10:21] <nixternal> hahahaha
[10:21] <nixternal> i know jamaica is south, but not that type of south ;)
[10:21] <DaSkreech> So they have a test version in java
[10:22] <nixternal> there are a lot of addons available for it also
[10:22] <DaSkreech> Yeah it's really pretty cool
[10:23] <nixternal> ow...
[10:23] <nixternal> sorry just banged my elbow...i can't believe i typed ow...computer modded to body
[10:23] <nixternal> they have addons that will allow you to see b4 and after..like with hurricane katrina...and volcanoes
[10:25] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Yeah they release those after most disasters
[10:26] <DaSkreech> And it comes with most planets in case we need to move to avoid DRM laws :)
[10:44] <nixternal> [15:26]  <DaSkreech> And it comes with most planets in case we need to move to avoid DRM laws :)
[10:44] <nixternal> LOL
[10:45] <DaSkreech> I guess it being NASA _might_ have something to do with it 
[10:45] <DaSkreech> I doubt it though DRM would be the main reason
[10:48] <nixternal> im sure DRM will follow us no matter where we go
[10:51] <DaSkreech> Not if we don't import money :) I'm certain that all "necessary rights" will suddenly not matter that much anymore
[10:58] <kwwii> the meeting is starting soon, or?
[11:00] <DaSkreech> I take we will get a ping in here?
[11:01] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, probbly not just join #ubuntu-meeting , Riddell will start
[11:02] <imbrandon> Riddell, you givin hobbsee a wakeup call ? hehe
[11:15] <seaLne> not if it is a dell :)
[11:16] <kwwii> :p
[11:16] <seaLne> you seen the exploding dell laptops photos?
[11:16] <kwwii> yeah, amazing
[11:16] <DaSkreech> kwwii: telnet ascii-wm.net 2006
[11:17] <kwwii> DaSkreech: dude, I have it in full color in front of me...why would I want that?
[11:17] <DaSkreech> Up the Geek meter?
[11:18] <kwwii> exactly
[11:29] <Lure> DaSkreech: not sure how shots from 11m look on telnet - we will see soon ;-)
[11:31] <DaSkreech> It's pretty funny when you can read the ads on the side of the field
[11:35] <seaLne> Riddell: was it thursday or friday you said you were coming down?
[11:35] <Riddell> seaLne: thursday evening to brighton
[11:37] <kwwii> shit
[11:37] <kwwii> screw the Ukraine
[11:37] <kwwii> the US should have played switerland
[11:38] <DaSkreech> Hey They need to get back toRobert Kennedy COllege
[11:42] <seaLne> its really weird that in england people are still allowed to smoke in pubs
[11:42] <OdyX> penaltys are really weird...
[11:42] <OdyX> ukrainians were looking for chance with penalty....
[11:42] <OdyX> the got it...
[11:43] <OdyX> switzerland out... back home...
[11:43] <DaSkreech> yay! College LInux Proceeds