[12:07] <flo> :-) rrrrrrrrrr
[12:07] <gatekeeper> om_ have a look at this but do NOT blindly do everything it says: http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/entry/2663/how-to_get_full
[12:08] <om_> it worked!!!! thanks!!!! my mp3s are back =) =)
[12:08] <edu> Hi
[12:09] <clintc> someone needs to properly license the multimedia stuff, call it the ubuntu plus pack and sell it for $19.95
[12:10] <antinobody> clintc that kind of goes against the basic principle behind ubuntu
[12:10] <clintc> but, everyone wants to play mp3, use flash and play dvds
[12:10] <crimsun> one's free to do that, but one would probably be ostracised
[12:10] <clintc> give them the option to do it legally
[12:11] <ArmedGeek> crimsun: why should one be ostracised for offering a product for money ?
[12:12] <antinobody> clintc I see your point, but someone outside canonical would have to do it, and offer it seperately
[12:12] <crimsun> ArmedGeek: I didn't say one /should/; I said one would probably
[12:12] <antinobody> clintc otherwise it counters the mission statement directly
[12:12] <clintc> antinobody: I understand, I hope someone does do it, they would make money for a valuable service
[12:13] <edu> Mhh, here is legal, but things look bad in the future.
[12:15] <silviu> hi
[12:16] <Raito> How come all my non-KDE apps are unaffected by Kmix (Supertux, Zsnes) While only Kaffeine and other KDE ones are?
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> They dont use artsd probably
[12:17] <Raito> What do I do to change the volume? It is way too loud
[12:18] <r0xz> Ratio: there a kmix icon in the systray, you can wheel the mouse over it to adjust the volume, or click it the set things like PCM too
[12:18] <om_> are there really good visualizations for amaroK?
[12:18] <r0xz> Raito: there a kmix icon in the systray, you can wheel the mouse over it to adjust the volume, or click it the set things like PCM too
[12:18] <r0xz> sorry
[12:19] <Raito> r0xz: non-KDE apps are unaffected by Kmix
[12:20] <r0xz> Raito: that would be a problem i have no solution for (i didn't even knew)
[12:20] <Raito> someone said something about ALSA or something
[12:20] <h3sp4wn> alsamixer from a terminal
[12:21] <h3sp4wn> to save the settings use sudo alsactl store
[12:22] <jaro> how can I find out what Monitor my Laptop has ??
[12:22] <edu> see the instruction booklet :-P
[12:22] <Raito> h3sp4wn: Would alsamixer-gui be good >_>
[12:23] <slow-motion> n8
[12:23] <jaro> and where would i find an instruction booklet ?=
[12:24] <Raito> Hmm: it works
[12:24] <Raito> somehow
[12:26] <silviu> does somebody know a dc client for linux?
[12:26] <silviu> (like dc++, odc, strongdc)
[12:27] <edu> jaro, your instruction booklet? i believe that it must be in the laptop's box hehehhe
[12:27] <silviu> I found valknut, but it seems to not be available for my ubuntu
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> Raito: I have never used it but probably
[12:28] <edu> Hey, jaro, perhaps if you have the windows drivers, you could know, or perhaps you could try an autodetection
[12:28] <edu> what system are you using now?
[12:28] <gybot> Hi i just trien to install kdegames and i got an error and i dont see them on the computer how can i fix it
[12:28] <|lostbyte|> gybot, error pls ?
[12:29] <gybot> ok
[12:30] <gybot> |lostbyte|: i need the paste bin link its huge
[12:31] <|lostbyte|> !pastebin
[12:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:32] <bam_> whats the best dvd ripper to use?
[12:33] <|lostbyte|> bam_, Which all you know ?
[12:33] <bam_> acidrip
[12:34] <jaro> I cant find any Name of the monitor
[12:34] <jaro> only that it is a 15'
[12:35] <KinGetana> damn, my handydandy pal just checked those zips, no wonder they didnt open, they were all wrecked, nothing could be done :S
[12:35] <|lostbyte|> jaro, look on the back of your monitor..
[12:36] <jaro> there is no back (laptop)
[12:36] <jaro> its just plain silver
[12:36] <jaro> cover
[12:36] <gybot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16484, |lostbyte| thats the link
[12:36] <|lostbyte|> jaro, Get on the website and locate your laptop using the serial no. and check the specs.
[12:37] <jaro> there is no model description given on that site
[12:38] <MasterEvilAce> I have Kubuntu installed, and i want to install windows XP so i can dual-boot. Not wanting to format, so i need a program to partition my HD to create an NTFS partition, and then i'll install XP. after that though, what is needed to get grub installed again so i can then dual-boot?
[12:38] <jaro> MasterEvilAce:  you would nee to run a boot-CD with linux, then reinstall grub
[12:39] <|lostbyte|> My isp's proxy is acting naughty again.. ARRRRg !
[12:39] <jaro> MasterEvilAce: run: ./grub  and in the grub-shell type: setup (hda) or something like it
[12:40] <edu> Jaro, didn't kubuntu autorecogniced your monitor?
[12:40] <jaro> edu: unfortunately not.. and when I try to autodetect , then the screen goes black
[12:41] <|lostbyte|> jaro, there is noting much to recognize.. all the autocheck does is set the hor and ver settings..
[12:42] <edu> mhhh
[12:42] <edu> jaro, in the xorg configuration
[12:43] <edu> you could try both kinds of screen, one eache time, in a live cd
[12:43] <edu> if it fails, just restart
[12:43] <jaro> what screen ?
[12:43] <gybot> |lostbyte|: you got the link right
[12:43] <|lostbyte|> gybot, do the update again..
[12:43] <|lostbyte|> i susually get that.. and the second time its clean..
[12:43] <jaro> right now i have another real monitor plugged in... and it works perfectly
[12:44] <|lostbyte|> jaro, Looks like you installed with the second monitor plugged in..
[12:45] <jaro> i didnt check with the second monitor.. so the config file is still valid for the LCD-Screen
[12:45] <|lostbyte|> jaro, Whats wrong with your LCD ?
[12:45] <jaro> i dont know
[12:45] <jaro> i guess if only the config would be right, then it might work
[12:46] <|lostbyte|> jaro, X does'nt start on it ?
[12:46] <jaro> but as long as i dont know the model of the LCD i cant configure properly
[12:46] <edu> you can choose betewen LCD or TFT, can't you? try one configuration and if it dosen't work, try another.
[12:46] <jaro> X works on the screen, but sometimes I get black screen.. for example whenever I log off
[12:46] <jaro> or sometimes when I use 3D-Graphics
[12:47] <jaro> this doesnt happen with the vesa - driver, but then , vesa doesnt support 3D
[12:47] <|lostbyte|> When you get the black screen... do ctrl+alt+f1        .. does some thing happen ?
[12:47] <jaro> no... thats another situation.. I cant jump to console, black screen then
[12:48] <edu> Oh, maybe is it a resolution problem?
[12:48] <edu> try the minimum safe resolution you know
[12:48] <edu> and test if it happens
[12:48] <|lostbyte|> jaro, COuld you check your xorg.conf log files for something suspecious.
[12:48] <jaro> nothing suspicious as far as i know
[12:48] <|lostbyte|> jaro, which Graphic card ?
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> jaro: What make of video card do you use ?
[12:49] <jaro> Via S3 Unichrome
[12:49] <|lostbyte|> jaro, thats a sis schipset right ?
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> Try disabling usplash
[12:49] <jaro> i dont know
[12:49] <|lostbyte|> jaro, lspci | grep -i vga
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> Its via not SiS
[12:49] <jaro> ok wait
[12:50] <jaro> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]  Integrated Video (rev 01)
[12:50] <|lostbyte|> jaro, Thats a bad card..
[12:51] <jaro> I KNOW :(
[12:51] <|lostbyte|> i have that card on my amd built in right now.
[12:51] <jaro> but i have to deal with it
[12:51] <|lostbyte|> card/chip*
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> Disabling usplash often helps with the shutdown problem
[12:52] <edu> even if it is a bad card, we aren't going anywhere saying that lol
[12:52] <jaro> where can i disable usplash ?
[12:52] <h3sp4wn> (try removing usplash from the kernel lines in /boot/grub/menu.list)
[12:52] <crimsun> [meaning "splash"] 
[12:53] <jaro> cant find any bootsplash
[12:53] <jaro> its only the standard kubuntu splash...
[12:54] <edu> Hey, talking about video cards... i have a problem with the open GL apis or something like
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> jaro: Pastebin the file and I will tell you what to do
[12:54] <jaro> i was hoping for a graphical configuration utility for Xorg
[12:55] <jaro> ok
[12:57] <jaro> arg, I cant select any text in Vi
[12:57] <jaro> :(
[12:57] <gybot> |lostbyte|: i have this error everytime i try to apt-get  something. the link~~>http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16486
[12:59] <|lostbyte|> jaro, kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:59] <jaro> oh kate
[12:59] <jaro> sure
[12:59] <jaro> thx
[01:00] <|lostbyte|> Be carefull with that file..
[01:00] <mark---> is there an apt-get reinstall command to reinstall my entire X0rg video handling? I just upgraded from breezy to dapper on a Mac notebook and it worked for a few days then went to 680x480 and lost the anti-aliasing.
[01:01] <LjL> mark---: have you tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[01:01] <mark---> thanks...
[01:03] <edu> does anybody got an ATI 9200 SE?
[01:03] <jaro> pastebin is pretty slow
[01:04] <Ertain> Has anyone gotten Xgl to work in Kubuntu?  I've tried the ubuntu.com how-to, but that doesn't work.  Actually, I think I was able to get Xgl up and running, but when I run kompmgr, it says that it can't find a composite extension.
[01:04] <h3sp4wn> edu: No but you should not try to fglrx or you will have problems
[01:04] <Raven301> jaro: try pastebin.ca
[01:05] <gybot> IT SEEMS THAT MY CAPS BUTTON IS LOCKED I CAN'T FIX IT
[01:05] <phil_> I cannot get java running with kubuntu
[01:05] <edu> yup
[01:05] <edu> but i've earned graphic acceleration, ertain
[01:06] <gybot> phil_: i had that problem once i can help
[01:06] <jaro> http://pastebin.ca/71605
[01:06] <edu> it says in the log "dri inicialization succesfu" (sorry for my little English)
[01:06] <phil_> how
[01:06] <Ertain> That's good, edu.  But I'm using a nVidia card.
[01:06] <edu> however, when i try to load an open gl app
[01:06] <edu> it crashes
[01:06] <edu> and says
[01:06] <edu> "api error..." etc
[01:07] <edu> and a lot of messages like that
[01:07] <gybot> phil_: DO AS THIS SAYS TELL ME WHEN YOU ARE DONE
[01:07] <edu> it's awful! i installed kubuntu hoping to try xgl, and i'm here without a decent driver :(
[01:07] <gybot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> edu: what does 'glxinfo' say ?
[01:07] <edu> glxinfo says that, the same error
[01:07] <edu> now i'm using "ati" open driver
[01:08] <edu> so there's no errror, but it's slow
[01:08] <edu> it uses indirect rendering
[01:08] <jaro> how sucky.. only root can mount USB-Devices
[01:08] <edu> could the ati driver do direct rendering?
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> For your card yes
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> (try changing the driver to radeon instead of ati
[01:09] <nixternal> h3sp4wn: shouldn't it be fglrx instead of ati?
[01:09] <edu> aha
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Not on a 9200SE
[01:09] <edu> so i go to the xorg.conf
[01:09] <edu> and select radeon?
[01:09] <jaro> .-)
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Yes
[01:09] <edu> not on a 9200SE? :-S
[01:10] <edu> isn't it supported?
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> (I was talking to nixternal then
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> You want radeon
[01:10] <nixternal> ahhh....i didn't scroll up and read ;)
[01:10] <jaro> anything new with the xorg.conf ??
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> edu: also try running dpkg-divert --list
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> edu: Look for any references to fglrx
[01:11] <unix_infidel> could anyone here recommend a sound mixer that has given them the least amount of trouble with the most amount of uptime.
[01:11] <unix_infidel> NOT artsd
[01:11] <edu> ah
[01:11] <crimsun> unix_infidel: why not just use alsa-lib's built-in (asym [dmix+dsnoop] )?
[01:12] <unix_infidel> crimsun: because it doesnt work for all apps.
[01:12] <edu> radeon is installed in the default installation, isn't it?
[01:12] <gybot> WHAT DOES THE WINDOWS KEY DO ON LINUX COMPUTERS
[01:12] <unix_infidel> crimsun: doesnt dmix come enabled by default?
[01:12] <crimsun> unix_infidel: yes
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> edu: Yes (its part of the ati one)
[01:12] <crimsun> unix_infidel: (yes, it's only valid for native alsa apps)
[01:12] <edu> gybot, you must configurate it, go to system preferences
[01:12] <edu> ok
[01:12] <edu> i'm trying in a minutes
[01:12] <unix_infidel> crimsun: so you see my point, it doesnt work for all apps.
[01:13] <crimsun> unix_infidel: no other daemon mixing solution is any better.
[01:13] <gybot> OK
[01:13] <jaro> hello ?
[01:13] <edu> (i'm talking with ppl on kopete, y'know)
[01:13] <gybot> SORRY FOR CAPS I CANT FIX IT
[01:13] <unix_infidel> crimsun: what do you mean?
[01:13] <jaro> did anybody look on the xorg.conf i posted ? http://pastebin.ca/71605
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> jaro: I was expecting /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:14] <jaro> oh ok wait
[01:14] <crimsun> unix_infidel: there is no daemon mixing solution that covers all bases.
[01:14] <edu> i'll be back
[01:14] <crimsun> unix_infidel: esound and arts come the closest due to historical coverage
[01:14] <unix_infidel> crimsun: what about jackd?
[01:14] <unix_infidel> or polypaudio.
[01:14] <crimsun> unix_infidel: jack is not designed to mix
[01:15] <gybot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16486 CAN ANYONE HELP ME WITH THIS ERROR
[01:15] <crimsun> unix_infidel: polypaudio (recently renamed to something else) deprecates esound
[01:15] <jaro> http://pastebin.ca/71611
[01:15] <jaro> here it is
[01:15] <gybot> !PASTEBIN
[01:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:16] <crimsun> unix_infidel: the fact that jack /happens/ to provide some sort of mixing solution is coincidental; its original design is for professional audio with multitracking
[01:16] <unix_infidel> crimsun: all i'm looking for is an effective solution.
[01:16] <Jaspers> plz, is there any site with a kubuntu guide for dapper - 6.06 LTS??
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> jaro: Remove the word splash from line 85 and run sudo update-grub
[01:16] <unix_infidel> whether its designed to comb my hair in the morning and provide sound mixing at the same time is moot
[01:16] <crimsun> unix_infidel: if you don't wish to replace your sound hardware, the least invasive one is plain ole alsa-lib.
[01:16] <unix_infidel> crimsun: heh, well that's enabled by default...and i'm running default.
[01:17] <unix_infidel> but i'd like to get audacious and videos in flash to be able to mix effectively and use the sound device at the same time.
[01:17] <edu> hey, guys!
[01:17] <edu> it works smother now!
[01:17] <crimsun> unix_infidel: tell audacious to use the alsa "default" virtual device, and wrap the Web browser with alsa-oss's aoss
[01:17] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  I also have to use the option vga=771  to get a good screen
[01:17] <edu> but stills quite slow...
[01:17] <edu> any ideas
[01:18] <gybot> ANYONE HELP http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16486
[01:18] <edu> i'm posting glxgears results, wait a second
[01:18] <crimsun> unix_infidel: ...or get an audigy 2 zs or something and forget the whole mess.
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> edu: glxinfo (do you still get direct rendering no)
[01:18] <unix_infidel> crimsun: how would i tell the browser to use alsa with alsa-oss
[01:18] <crimsun> unix_infidel: which browser do you use?
[01:18] <unix_infidel> firefox
[01:18] <edu> wait a second
[01:19] <crimsun> unix_infidel: install alsa-oss from universe, then invoke ``aoss firefox''
[01:19] <edu> direct rendering: No whooooooooops
[01:19] <edu> what shal i do now?
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> edu: pastebin dpkg-divert --list
[01:19] <unix_infidel> crimsun: i'd need to do that on every execution of firefox?
[01:19] <edu> ok
[01:19] <crimsun> unix_infidel: yes.
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> edu: pastebin.ca is probably fastest at the moment
[01:20] <crimsun> unix_infidel: (or change the launcher/shortcut/whatever)
[01:20] <unix_infidel> crimsun: so alias it?
[01:20] <gybot> BRB
[01:20] <jaro> ok I did what you said.. what now ??
[01:20] <jaro> h3sp4wn: ...
[01:21] <pascal_> h3sp4wn you if eft is ready for testing yes?
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> jaro: Don't use the vga= line either or use vga=normal
[01:21] <pascal_> *yet
[01:21] <bam_> anyon eknow how to show "home" and "trash" on desktop?
[01:21] <edu> hey
[01:21] <jaro> h3sp4wn: ok , but then I get confused lines while booting
[01:21] <edu> how can i use pastebin service?
[01:21] <edu> oh
[01:21] <edu> i see
[01:21] <edu> in the upper bar
[01:23] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  do I have to reboot now ??
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> jaro: Is the word splash not after every line in /boot/grub/menu.lst now
[01:24] <edu> pastebin says "too many connections"
[01:24] <edu> i'll wait
[01:24] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  i removed the splash in the line you specified
[01:24] <jaro> edu: use pastebin.ca
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> jaro: and you ran sudo update-grub ?
[01:25] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  yes
[01:25] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  it updated
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> jaro: Well is splash after all the kernel lines at the bottom of the file or not ?
[01:27] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  no splash anymore
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> jaro: Try it now then
[01:28] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  try what ? reboot ?
[01:28] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  ok wait
[01:28] <h3sp4wn> jaro: If not the reason may be because of the vga=
[01:28] <edu> oh, ok jaro
[01:29] <jaro> ok.. cu
[01:29] <jaro> in a min
[01:30] <edu> hey, here's my pastebin
[01:30] <edu> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/71620
[01:31] <edu> what do you think, h3sp4wn?
[01:32] <h3sp4wn> edu: I think fglrx has broken mesa
[01:33] <edu> perhaps i should try in the live cd?
[01:33] <edu> what's the root password for dapper live?
[01:33] <h3sp4wn> edu: try sudo dpkg-divert --remove /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[01:33] <edu> hey, h3sp4wn, but fglrx still installed
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> edu: sudo apt-get remove fglrx then
[01:34] <edu> ok
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> edu: then - dpkg-divert --list (and check to see that they are gone)
[01:35] <edu> in process
[01:35] <edu> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1' with
[01:35] <edu>   different file `/usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa', not allowed
[01:36] <edu> my God, it happened... i must do a mv somethingidontremember, i saw it in ubuntu forums, because it happened to me previously
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> edu: sudo mv /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[01:37] <jaro> re
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> ack
[01:37] <edu> hey, thanks! you're a real pro ;-)
[01:37] <edu> what mean's mv, move, like cut?
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> move
[01:38] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  no change.. when I switched to Ctrl-Alt -F1.. screen went black
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> jaro: I don't use your specific card - Disabling that helps my ati to shutdown properly more often
[01:39] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  i have no choice.. it is onboard. i cant change it
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> jaro: And you have no agp / pci express slot ?
[01:40] <jaro> laptop
[01:40] <KinGetana> what was the kill command again?
[01:40] <edu> yep, but laptop also integrate one of those ports!
[01:40] <KinGetana> my vlc flipped
[01:41] <edu> h3sp4wn, shal i restart x server and see what happens? if i earn direct acceleration
[01:41] <driz> hello
[01:42] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  so what can i Do ??  the thing is.. with a real monitor there is no such problem, so i thought it might the monitor.. but I wasnt able to find anything similar in the internet. seems i am the only one having this problem
[01:44] <jaro> :(
[01:44] <jaro> if only .. if only. this would work
[01:45] <Raito> What is the default rom path for Xmame? I can't seem to change it and the default path is blanked so I don't know what it is.
[01:46] <jaro> ok. ill try monitor autodetection..
[01:46] <mark---> LjL: thanks, that got it. No tellin' what caused the messup as I'd not been fooling around with xserver-xorg.
[01:46] <jaro> i might have to reboot after that
[01:46] <driz> is there a french Kubuntu IRC channel
[01:46] <driz> ?
[01:46] <OdyX> sure dnz
[01:47] <OdyX> see #kubuntu-fr
[01:47] <LjL> mark---: perhaps you used the KDE X settings or something, and that messed up xorg.conf
[01:47] <OdyX> driz: but there is not much people...
[01:47] <driz> ya
[01:47] <jmichaelx> i have four computers connected to a router, all four computers are usually running x/k/ubuntu (although OCCASIONALLY one may be running XP)... and i am wanting all four computers to share one printer. could someone direct me to a wiki or a forum where there would be instructions for this?? i found a wiki with instructions for breezy. would those still apply to dapper?
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: Does the router have a usb or parallel port ?
[01:49] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: no, the printer is connected to one of the computers
[01:50] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: I would recommend a router or print server with a usb (then you don't have to have a specific computer on all the time)
[01:51] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i have thought about doing that, but surely there is a way to do it without such a router
[01:51] <edu> hey h3sp4wn
[01:51] <h3sp4wn> edu: Hello
[01:51] <edu> it didn't work
[01:51] <edu> but i only restarted the x server
[01:51] <edu> have i to restart the whole system?
[01:51] <h3sp4wn> edu: Are the diverts still listed at the output of dpkg-divert --list ?
[01:52] <jaro> ;////////////////
[01:52] <jaro> I heard there was better X-Configuration in Dapper ..  where would that be ??
[01:52] <edu> wait
[01:52] <edu> i'll do a pastebin
[01:53] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: I don't like the way ubuntu has implimented cups (its hacked version)
[01:54] <Hawkwind> jaro: Do you mean: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:54] <jaro> Hawkwind:  no . that is not of much use
[01:54] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i can sort of see why
[01:54] <driz> sorry a bit off topic but does anyone here listen to "the linux link talk show"?
[01:55] <jaro> any idea how i can find out the model of the LCD .. with the Acer Aspire 1350 Laptop ?
[01:56] <Hawkwind> jaro: Google should tell you I would think
[01:56] <Hawkwind> jaro: Atleast Acer's site would
[01:56] <jaro> i wish
[01:57] <jaro> cant find anything
[01:58] <Hawkwind> 312T LCD model for the Acer Aspire 1350 Laptop
[01:58] <jaro> how did you know ?
[01:58] <Hawkwind> First hit on google told me
[01:58] <jaro> so what name would that be ? :  Aspire 313T
[01:58] <jaro> what did you search for ?
[01:59] <Hawkwind> Acer Aspire 1350 LCD Model
[01:59] <Hawkwind> It's mentioned in the first 10 or so results
[02:01] <Hawkwind> I have installed lm-sensors and when I type sensors-detect I get the following:  No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them. I've just recently switched from Mandriva to Kubuntu and sensors worked perfectly fine in Mandriva.  What am I doing wrong or needing to do differently to get them working in Kubuntu ?
[02:01] <edu> h3sp4wn
[02:01] <edu> http://pastebin.ca/71643
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> edu: Try adding - radeon to /etc/modules (on a new line by itself)
[02:03] <jaro> Hawkwind:  are you sure ?? i still cant see it
[02:03] <edu> ah
[02:03] <edu> i had fglrx in that file :P
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> edu: That would make sense
[02:04] <edu> it will need a complete restart?
[02:04] <edu> can i iniciate modules without reboot?
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> yes (fglrx will probably crash if you try to remove it without a reboot)
[02:04] <jaro> modprobe
[02:05] <Hawkwind> Does the linux-686 kernel in Kubuntu come with the appropriate modules for lm-sensors ?
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> edu: You could try sudo rmmod fglrx && sudo modprobe radeon then restart X
[02:05] <edu> ok
[02:05] <bam_> laptop issues?
[02:05] <jaro> yes
[02:06] <bam_> with dapper, I suppose
[02:06] <jaro> I can only chose from : Acer Aspire 33s  to Acer Aspire 77s
[02:07] <jaro> no such model here as you said
[02:07] <bam_> hmm, I went back to breezy...works just fine
[02:08] <edu> h3sp4wn!!
[02:09] <edu> thanks a lot!! it works!!
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> edu: No problem
[02:09] <edu> now i'll have a decent speed
[02:09] <driz> can anyone help me with this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16486
[02:09] <jmichaelx> man, i don't know what just happened, but i just had to manually sut this laptop off... it got all bogged down to the point that i could barely even move the cursor
[02:09] <edu> you're great, and i've learnt with  you some cool stuff!
[02:10] <crimsun> driz: there's nothing noticeably broken there.
[02:11] <driz> the error that reads
[02:11] <driz> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[02:11] <driz>    Major opcode:  144
[02:11] <crimsun> driz: I presume you backgrounded a KDE app before you ran apt-get/aptitude?
[02:11] <driz>    Minor opcode:  3
[02:11] <driz>    Resource id:  0x0
[02:11] <driz>  Failed to open device
[02:11] <Hawkwind> driz: Use pastebin please
[02:11] <driz> sorry
[02:11] <crimsun> driz: without more context, it's impossible to tell what that's caused by
[02:11] <edu> well, i have to go, thanks again, h3sp4wn
[02:11] <closure> hello everyone
[02:11] <driz> oh ok crimsun
[02:11] <closure> long time no come around
[02:12] <closure> i am curious if someone could tell me if it is possible to install a new version of kubuntu over an old version without losing my files/disrupting anything WTIHOUT network access
[02:12] <Hawkwind> Anyone know what it takes to get lm-sensors working in Dapper by chance ?  sensors-detect just gives me an error.  This worked perfectly in Mandriva 2 days ago but nothing seems to work concerning lm-sensors here in Kubuntu
[02:12] <crimsun> closure: sure, just dist-upgrade using a cd.
[02:13] <closure> yah see that's the other problem
[02:13] <closure> the i never did get the cdrom to mount
[02:13] <closure> >8-/
[02:13] <closure> it installed from a cd
[02:13] <closure> but it's never been there since
[02:13] <closure> *shrugs*
[02:13] <crimsun> do you have a usb thumbdrive of about 1.0 GB?
[02:13] <closure> i'm no linux pro by any means >8-( so i just never bothered
[02:14] <closure> i think so somewhere
[02:14] <closure> but i'm not possitive usb works on the comp etiher
[02:14] <closure> it's a very old gateway laptop
[02:14] <closure> not much is supported
[02:14] <crimsun> I hope it has a pcmcia/cardbus slot
[02:14] <closure> i have a pcmcia wifi card and a usb wifi support
[02:14] <closure> yeah it does
[02:15] <closure> but i can't get either of the wifi to work
[02:15] <crimsun> does the wifi card work in breezy?
[02:15] <jaro> i dont know what to do
[02:15] <crimsun> even with ndiswrapper?
[02:15] <closure> i do not think i have breezy
[02:15] <jaro> i cant find the right model
[02:15] <closure> i'm fairly sure i have the ver before that
[02:15] <crimsun> closure: lsb_release -r
[02:15] <closure> hold
[02:15] <closure> let me boot the lap again
[02:15] <closure> should've done this before
[02:16] <Hawkwind> Anyone happen to know what this means:  No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them.
[02:16] <closure> ok give it a sec takes a couple minutes to boot up >8-)
[02:16] <klerfayt> amarok says libvisual isn't installed but I installed them
[02:16] <Hawkwind> I really need/want to get lm-sensors working here in Kubuntu
[02:17] <closure> does the new kubuntu still say "booting ubuntu kernel"
[02:17] <closure> cause that's how classic this lap is
[02:18] <MehAdult> Hawkwind: Check the bot's factoid?
[02:18] <MehAdult> I got mine working fine :)
[02:18] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: Nothing in the bot
[02:18] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: How ?
[02:18] <MehAdult> !lm-sensors
[02:18] <ubotu> I know nothing about lm-sensors
[02:18] <MehAdult> Sheesh
[02:18] <MehAdult> Uhh
[02:19] <MehAdult> It was a page on the wiki
[02:19] <MehAdult> It's way different from Mnadriva
[02:19] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: I run sensors-detect and I get the above message
[02:20] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: Nothing on the wiki either it seems
[02:20] <closure> crimsun i have 5.04
[02:20] <Towering> totally new to this, how can i enable ident to connect to efnet?
[02:20] <MehAdult> I'm not in X now
[02:20] <MehAdult> So I can't help ya right yet
[02:20] <MehAdult> Lemme boot to X and find it
[02:21] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: would i be able to set up this computer as a printing server by changing /etc/cups/cups.d/browse.conf?
[02:22] <MehAdult> Hawkwind: Go to the Ubuntu wiki and search for sensor
[02:22] <MehAdult> That'll pull it up
[02:22] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: I did
[02:22] <MehAdult> It's the first result
[02:22] <Hawkwind> Nothing comes up
[02:22] <MehAdult> You get 2 choices
[02:22] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: changing Browsing from off to 'on'?
[02:22] <MehAdult> Here I'll type the URL from memory
[02:22] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: Ahhh, I searched for sensors first
[02:23] <MehAdult> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowTo
[02:23] <MehAdult> Try that
[02:23] <Hawkwind> I got it already :P
[02:23] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: I don't use cups
[02:23] <MehAdult> :p
[02:23] <jaro> arg.. which Monitor ????
[02:24] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: what do you use?
[02:24] <jaro> lm554 ?
[02:24] <jaro> 77s ?
[02:24] <jaro> 77is?
[02:24] <jaro> 33s
[02:24] <jaro> 34TS ?
[02:24] <jaro> XY ?
[02:24] <jmichaelx> i am sure there must be some documentation somewhere for setting a computer up as a printing server, but i sure as heck am not finding it lol
[02:24] <MehAdult> jaro: You can quit being annoying :p
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: Lp on a very old hp laserjet
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: lp
[02:25] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i am using a very old HP deskjet
[02:25] <jmichaelx> most everything i use is very old lol
[02:25] <MehAdult> jmichaelx: Which kind? That can make a difference
[02:25] <jmichaelx> i still think P3s running at 500Mhz rock :-
[02:26] <jmichaelx> :-D
[02:26] <jmichaelx> MehAdult: the printer works just fine, i just want to be able to use this printer with any PC on my home network
[02:26] <MehAdult> I really want to get a new Conroe processor when it comes out but I don't have the money.
[02:26] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: You could use samba to share the printer maybe then
[02:26] <MehAdult> jmichaelx: Ah never done it.
[02:27] <Towering> how can you update repositories for kubuntu? the website doesn't have that part complete
[02:27] <jmichaelx> MehAdult: you would sure think there would be some documentation on this lol. this kind of thing is what linux/unix are [supposed]  to be for
[02:28] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i guess i will have to look into sambe... i thought this was going to be an easy thing, but i guess not
[02:28] <jmichaelx> samba*
[02:30] <WinXpert> the samba 3 how-to has a huge chapter on CUPS
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> But ubuntu's cups is not standard
[02:31] <jmichaelx> WinXpert: i will have to look at it, although i was hoping to not have to read a huge chapter just to use a printer on a home network
[02:32] <jmichaelx> this is the kind of thing that should not be quite this complicated
[02:32] <fishsticks> hey, i just installed kubuntu, and i have to say i am digging it compared to gnome =)
[02:32] <WinXpert> clasical printing support here http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/classicalprinting.html
[02:33] <jmichaelx> kde is way nicer than gnome, especially if you like to customize
[02:33] <jmichaelx> i have never really liked gnome
[02:33] <Towering> i dunno... i'm a first time cross-over, haven't looked at ubuntu yet
[02:33] <WinXpert> use kubuntu then
[02:33] <Towering> going through linux os's to see which i like
[02:33] <mrfishhat> try out fedora core
[02:33] <Towering> Linspire was my first, now it's kubuntu, next would be ubuntu
[02:33] <mrfishhat> its my 2nd fave
[02:34] <WinXpert> towering try xandros 3.0
[02:34] <WinXpert> or wait for 4 oce
[02:34] <gemidjy> Is the "Align to Grid" for the KDE Desktop turned off in Dapper by purpose or it is broken ?
[02:34] <Towering> heard of xandros, didn't appeal to me
[02:34] <jmichaelx> mrfishhat: i am thinking of putting fedora on one of my PCs when core 6 comes out, but man i sure hear a lot of complaints about fedora
[02:35] <WinXpert> until you give it a try you cant tell ..
[02:36] <Towering> i just want something simple
[02:36] <jmichaelx> mrfishhat: i am not a registered user so i can't respond to your private messages
[02:36] <gemidjy> so it is bug, damn it, Kubuntu bug, not kde
[02:36] <WinXpert> i have tried many distros it is a good entry to the linux world
[02:37] <jmichaelx> i think k/ubuntu is an excellent intro, too... i had never used linux until about 2 months ago
[02:37] <Towering> is there a way to back up dvd's on kubuntu yet?
[02:37] <mrfishhat> k9copy
[02:37] <gemidjy> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=128024 bug
[02:37] <bobstro> gemidjy:  hmm. it's working here.
[02:37] <Towering> can't get my sound to work though..
[02:38] <bobstro> Towering:  are you getting errors, or just no sound.
[02:38] <Towering> no sound
[02:38] <Towering> it's a sound blaster live card, with 5.1 surround
[02:38] <jmichaelx> Towering: you looked at the mixeR?
[02:38] <jmichaelx> mixer*
[02:39] <Towering> oh duh
[02:39] <Towering> was on soundboard
[02:39] <driz> I cant get album arts on Amarok
[02:39] <driz> ?
[02:39] <Towering> i should have known that from Linspire.. sheesh
[02:39] <jmichaelx> lol
[02:42] <RadiantFire> can someone assist me with my knetworkmanager problem?
[02:43] <mrfishhat> sure whats wrong?
[02:43] <Towering> hmmmm
[02:43] <Towering> amaroK still isn't giving sound
[02:43] <RadiantFire> well, when I try to set with knetworkmanager, it stops at configuring interface
[02:43] <RadiantFire> it doesn't set the essid of my wireless
[02:43] <RadiantFire> if I go to a terminal and set the essid with iwconfig, it continues on
[02:43] <RadiantFire> otherwise it just tanks
[02:44] <mrfishhat> why not just use the terminal?
[02:44] <RadiantFire> because clicking on knetworkmanager is easier than opening konsole and typing 4 commands
[02:44] <RadiantFire> this is one of those things that I can do but shouldn't have 2
[02:45] <mrfishhat> well
[02:45] <mrfishhat> when my systemsettings is screwin up
[02:46] <mrfishhat> i just kdesu systemsettings
[02:46] <RadiantFire> its wierd though, cuz both iwconfig essid and dhclient are priveledged operations
[02:46] <RadiantFire> yet iwconfig fails, while dhclient goes through correctly
[02:46] <RadiantFire> knetworkmanager does dhcp just fine after I manually set essid
[02:48] <RadiantFire> oh well...
[02:48] <Towering> SB 5.1 with 5.1 speakers, yet no sound from amaroK
[02:49] <RadiantFire> Towering: what are you trying to play?
[02:49] <Organized_Chaos> anyone here know what i can do about gam_server taking up 70%+ cpu? i've got the latest version and everytime i kill the process it comes back instantly.
[02:50] <Towering> right now, some radio station
[02:50] <Steven_M> hi all
[02:51] <Steven_M> what comand would I use to reconfigure gtk+?
[02:51] <Steven_M> *command
[02:52] <Towering> through amaroK
[02:52] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> does anypne know how this error can be fixed? :(firefox-bin:27205): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtengine",
[02:52] <TechHut> hi everyone
[02:53] <crimsun> closure: right, 5.04 is Hoary
[02:53] <Steven_M> hi TechHut
[02:53] <crimsun> closure: it's recommended to dist-upgrade to Breezy (5.10) before dist-upgrading to Dapper (6.06 LTS), but that's up to you.
[02:54] <TechHut> what I do is make a seperate partition for /home, and just completely reinstall
[02:56] <Hawkwind> I'm having some problems here.  I just rebooted my system and now normal user can't startx.  It just keeps taking me back to the GUI login
[02:56] <Steven_M> bye all
[02:56] <Hawkwind> If I login to a terminal, it tells me: bash: /dev/null Permission Denied
[02:56] <TechHut> bye
[02:56] <mrfinch> hey there, n00b in need of some help!
[02:56] <TechHut> what is your problem?
[02:56] <zblach> hi. i broke sound on my laptop. how can I fix it?
[02:56] <Hawkwind> My root user acn start X just fine without a problem
[02:56] <closure> crimsun how would i go about doing that
[02:56] <MehAdult> mrfinch: Say it don't spray it.
[02:56] <mrfinch> i do "modprobe ndiswrapper" and i get told "ndiswrapper.ko" doesn't exist,
[02:56] <closure> perhaps you can help me get my cd rom to mount
[02:56] <crimsun> zblach: could you describe that more precisely?
[02:56] <Hawkwind> Anyone know what I can try to do to fix this ?
[02:57] <closure> well actually it's a dvdrom
[02:57] <MehAdult> mrfinch: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper should install it for you
[02:57] <zblach> crimsun: no sound from nothing. i'm not sure what I can say to be more specific
[02:57] <crimsun> closure: does the kernel not recognise your optical drive at all? (from ``dmesg'')
[02:57] <mrfinch> that tells me "ndiswrapper cannot be found"
[02:57] <zblach> my sound server seems to be working, kcontrol says, but i'm getting nothing
[02:57] <closure> should i run dmesg and see if it's there?
[02:57] <crimsun> zblach: pastebin ``lspci -v && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer''
[02:58] <closure> crimsun i don't guess i really know how to find it.
[02:58] <Hawkwind> Can anyone help me please ?
[02:58] <closure> cdrom: open failed
[02:58] <closure> is the response
[02:58] <MehAdult> mrfinch: So install it with apt get. I told you how
[02:58] <MehAdult> *apt-get
[02:58] <closure> but it says "uniform cd-rom driver revision: 3.20 before that
[02:59] <mrfinch> and i told you what i get in return
[02:59] <crimsun> closure: pastebin ``dmesg''
[02:59] <MehAdult> Oh.
[02:59] <MehAdult> !respository
[02:59] <fishsticks> how do i get programs to start at login in kde?
[02:59] <ubotu> I know nothing about respository
[02:59] <MehAdult> :|
[02:59] <fishsticks> !repository
[02:59] <ubotu> I know nothing about repository
[02:59] <Towering> hey, you're not the only one
[02:59] <fishsticks> weird
[02:59] <Towering> i'm just as new too
[02:59] <Hawkwind> Anyone ?
[03:00] <Towering> !repository
[03:00] <ubotu> I know nothing about repository
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> !repos
[03:00] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:00] <closure> i can't paste it
[03:00] <MehAdult> h3sp4wn: Thanks :)
[03:00] <closure> i'm not on that laptop
[03:00] <MehAdult> mrfinch: Read what ubotu just posted
[03:00] <closure> it doesn't connect to wifi cause it won't recognize my usb wifi thing
[03:00] <MehAdult> You'll need to add online sources.
[03:00] <crimsun> dmesg > somefile.txt, then sneakernet somefile.txt to a computer w/ viable network access
[03:01] <closure> i have no viable network access
[03:01] <closure> that's the problem heh
[03:01] <mrfinch> yeah i read a page and have "universe" enabled and all that
[03:01] <closure> all i want to do is get my files off and fresh install this app
[03:01] <closure> err lap
[03:01] <closure> but i can't get it to work
[03:01] <Hawkwind> Can someone please help me getting X to start as normal user again ??
[03:01] <Hawkwind> I just rebooted and now it only starts as root user
[03:01] <closure> it recognizes my wireless network but i can't get it to update the ip
[03:01] <MehAdult> mrfinch: sudo apt-get update
[03:01] <closure> so it won't connect to anything
[03:01] <mrfinch> will do
[03:02] <MehAdult> Hawkwind: Error message?
[03:02] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: Read above
[03:02] <Hawkwind> I've posted it already
[03:02] <MehAdult> Meanie :p
[03:02] <MehAdult> Wow that's weird Hawk.
[03:02] <zblach> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16494
[03:02] <Hawkwind> I can log into a terminal from the GUI login, and when I do I get tons of:  -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied
[03:02] <MehAdult> I was thinking it was some kind of ~/.file
[03:03] <closure> KWifiManager sees it
[03:03] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Have any ideas here ??
[03:03] <closure> and has excellent strength but won't connect
[03:03] <closure> (this is using the pcmcia wifi adapter)
[03:03] <MehAdult> Hawkwind: Did you post a pastebin of the error?
[03:03] <zblach> closure: were you using ndiswrapper before?
[03:03] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: That IS the error
[03:03] <mrfinch> kk did that .. apt-get still cannot find ndis
[03:03] <crimsun> zblach: do you have an HDA chipset?
[03:03] <Hawkwind> How many times should I repeate myself
[03:03] <MehAdult> Hawkwind: There might be more to it.
[03:03] <closure> zblach no i've never run wifi on this lap
[03:03] <Hawkwind> MehAdult: That's all I get
[03:03] <closure> i use to have an ethernet adapter but it broke
[03:04] <MehAdult> Hawkwind: Did you startx > log.txt or whatever to be sure? Just checking.
[03:04] <crimsun> Hawkwind: I've not been following your situation since I wasn't addressed; give me a sec to read scrollback, please.
[03:04] <Hawkwind> The problem is, why can root start X but user can't
[03:04] <closure> i'm not spending 30 bucks to get another one so i'm trying to get it to go wireless
[03:04] <closure> i'm fairly certain the new kubuntu would have support for my usb wifi adapter
[03:05] <zblach> closure: wifi support on dapper is dodgy, at best
[03:05] <zblach> my laptop works okay, but my wireless desky won't take to it
[03:05] <closure> >8-/
[03:05] <crimsun> Hawkwind: probably a permissions problem. What's owned by root in ~/. ?
[03:05] <zblach> seems i need to download ndiswrapper so I can connect to the internet to download ndiswrapper
[03:06] <zblach> *shrugs* breezy it is
[03:06] <Healot> not if you have a FSF recommended wifi controller
[03:06] <driz> !kubuntu
[03:06] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:06] <crimsun> zblach: not sure if you answered the latest query
[03:07] <zblach> crimsun: missed it, sorry
[03:07] <zblach> hda chipset?
[03:07] <zblach> i have no idea. i've had it two weeks. i don't know much about it yet
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> closure: What wireless chipset does the usb wifi adapter have ?
[03:08] <driz> !java
[03:08] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[03:08] <crimsun> zblach: ``cat /proc/asound/cards && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''
[03:08] <zblach> crimsun: but it seems that; 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[03:08] <h3sp4wn> wifi on dapper is pretty reliable if you avoid network-manager
[03:08] <crimsun> yeah, that's HDA
[03:08] <driz> !macromedia flash
[03:08] <ubotu> I know nothing about macromedia flash
[03:08] <zblach> ...yeah. high definition audio becomes HDA. i see that
[03:08] <MehAdult> !flash
[03:08] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:08] <zblach> driz: you can cedega it up till MX
[03:08] <driz> thank you
[03:09] <MehAdult> driz: Welcome :)
[03:09] <zblach> crimsun: recommendations?
[03:09] <driz> zblach: what is cedega?
[03:09] <crimsun> zblach: I still need the output that I requested.
[03:09] <zblach> if I have HDA?
[03:09] <zblach> oh, right. i'm out of it today. sorry
[03:10] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd>  does anypne know how this error can be fixed? :(firefox-bin:27205): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtengine",
[03:10] <Hawkwind> crimsun: You mean ls -la in the root ~/ ?
[03:10] <crimsun> Hawkwind: no, your non-privileged user
[03:10] <Towering> no yahoo messenger support i see
[03:11] <Hawkwind> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root     105901 2006-06-24 00:26 .fonts.cache-1
[03:11] <Hawkwind> crimsun: That's the only one
[03:11] <zblach> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16495
[03:11] <Hawkwind> crimsun: That's probably my problem ?
[03:12] <zblach> driz: cedega is a windows in a nutshell. it's an emulator of sorts
[03:12] <crimsun> Hawkwind: remove it and see what occurs?
[03:12] <driz> ok
[03:13] <crimsun> zblach: you must have a Conexant codec
[03:14] <crimsun> zblach: meaning you're out of luck until someone figures out the gpio routing
[03:14] <zblach> crimsun: :S
[03:14] <zblach> it was working swell earlier
[03:14] <zblach> conexant codec?
[03:14] <crimsun> zblach: "earlier" meaning in Breezy, or...?
[03:15] <zblach> earlier meaning 'on a fresh install of dapper'
[03:15] <zblach> 'before i started fiddling'
[03:15] <crimsun> zblach: hmm, that's odd. What did you change?
[03:15] <zblach> i can't remember.
[03:16] <crimsun> I'm pretty surprised you had audible sound.
[03:16] <zblach> i was suprised how bad these speakers sounded
[03:16] <zblach> i though altec lansing was supposed to be _good_
[03:16] <crimsun> zblach: do this: sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sudo invoke-rc.d alsa start
[03:17] <Hawkwind> crimsun: That doesn't help.  It just keeps taking me back to the GUI login over and over after entering my password
[03:17] <Towering> i can't get sound on mine
[03:17] <zblach> alsa stalls. seems that open sound system loads, however
[03:17] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Just wondering but why hasn't the Kubuntu website been updated in a long time? is there nothing new going on?
[03:17] <crimsun> zblach: please be more precise; I can't read your mind.
[03:18] <driz> i'm reading one of the sites and it says Ubuntu does it still work Kubunutu
[03:18] <driz> kubuntu*?
[03:18] <crimsun> Towering: pastebin ``lspci -v && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer''
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> driz: Yeah, Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with KDE. The base is the same.
[03:18] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I see something on the screen about: error opening security policy file /etc/X11/security/SecurityPolicy
[03:18] <crimsun> Hawkwind: ls -la ~/.Xauthority
[03:19] <Hawkwind> crimsun: /etc/X11/Xsession /dev/null Permission Denied as well
[03:19] <zblach> crimsun: no alsa in /etc/init.d
[03:19] <driz> CheeseBurgerMan: cool thanx and Cool name
[03:19] <Hawkwind> crimsun: -rw------- 1 hawkwind hawkwind 49 2006-06-25 20:16 /home/hawkwind/.Xauthority
[03:19] <crimsun> Hawkwind: I don't have an /etc/X11/security/SecurityPolicy [I use GNOME atm] )
[03:19] <Towering> have no clue what you mean by that, but ok
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, thanks
[03:19] <crimsun> Hawkwind: ok, that looks fine
[03:19] <crimsun> zblach: alsa-utils, sorry
[03:19] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I also see that at boot time it tells me it isn't starting gdm because it's not the default
[03:20] <crimsun> Hawkwind: right, you'd be using kdm instead with Kubuntu
[03:20] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I don't use KDE or Gnome, I use E17, but I can't start any of them as normal user :(
[03:20] <crimsun> err...
[03:20] <crimsun> Hawkwind: are you using startx?
[03:20] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> whats E17/?
[03:21] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I've tried startx, startkde, startfluxbox
[03:21] <crimsun> Towering: ?
[03:21] <Hawkwind> None of them work.  They all give the same error(s)
[03:21] <Towering> pastebin ``lspci -v && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer''
[03:21] <zblach> crimsun: sound died around the time I got my keys (vol+/-/0) working
[03:21] <crimsun> Hawkwind: have you pastebinned the error{,s} and /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[03:22] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Hawkwind: how long have u been using enlight?
[03:22] <crimsun> Towering: take the output from the ``lspci -v && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer'' command and paste it onto the http://pastebin.ca Web site
[03:22] <crimsun> Towering: then tell me the url
[03:22] <Hawkwind> /usr/bin/startx line 169 /dev/null Permission Denied
[03:22] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I get that at the end of startx after it errors out
[03:22] <crimsun> Hawkwind: ls -l /dev/null
[03:23] <Hawkwind> crw------- 1 root root 1, 3 2006-05-22 09:25 /dev/null
[03:23] <crimsun> yep, permissions error
[03:23] <crimsun> sudo chmod 666 /dev/null
[03:24] <Hawkwind> crimsun: How did that get changed, any ideas ?
[03:24] <driz> how do i get out of root user on Konsole
[03:24] <Hawkwind> I know I personally haven't chmod'd or chown'd /dev/null
[03:24] <crimsun> Hawkwind: the matrix of possibilities is infinite.
[03:24] <driz> i did sudo -s
[03:24] <Hawkwind> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: For many years now
[03:24] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Heh, figures
[03:25] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I'm rebooting the machine to see if it works after a reboot now
[03:25] <crimsun> driz: ctrl+d, or ``exit''
[03:26] <Towering> hmm, well, when i put lspci -v && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer in the run command, doesn't do anything
[03:26] <crimsun> Towering: open a Konsole and do it
[03:27] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Hawkwind: it looks sweet, can u run kde or knome apps under it?  how difficult is it to install software under it ?
[03:27] <Hawkwind> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: You can run anything under it
[03:27] <crimsun> zblach: any luck after the invoke-rc.d command?
[03:27] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Ok, problem.  After a reboot, /dev/null gets changed back to being owned by root
[03:27] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Hawkwind: is there a official site for it ?
[03:28] <Hawkwind> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: get-e.org and enlightenment.org
[03:28] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Hawkwind: thanks
[03:28] <crimsun> Hawkwind: grep -H null /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules
[03:29] <Towering> ok.. sorry, bear with me, i'm very new to linux
[03:29] <Towering> http://pastebin.ca/71702
[03:29] <Healot> I don't have a bear :)
[03:30] <zblach> crimsun: no such lock
[03:30] <zblach> **luck
[03:31] <Hawkwind> crimsun: /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules:KERNEL=="null",                          MODE="0666"
[03:31] <crimsun> Hawkwind: hmm, that's proper. Must be some other process chowning it.
[03:32] <crimsun> Hawkwind: anything in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh or /etc/rc.local?
[03:32] <crimsun> [that looks suspicious] 
[03:33] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Not sure what would look suspicious in that first file to be honest
[03:34] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Nothing at all in /etc/rc.local except for 'exit 0'
[03:34] <unix_infidel> that's normal...
[03:34] <unix_infidel> if you're operating on basically the default setup.
[03:35] <Hawkwind> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/71709
[03:35] <crimsun> Towering: which audio device are you trying to use, the onboard or the sb live?
[03:35] <Towering> sb live
[03:36] <Towering> it's the one that the bios has set to, and the one the speakers are connected to
[03:36] <crimsun> Towering: ``asoundconf set-default-card Live''
[03:36] <mrfinch> how do i install the latest kernel-source?
[03:36] <unix_infidel> Hawkwind: everything looks fine to me.  Must be another application that's changing perms.
[03:36] <crimsun> mrfinch: apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[03:36] <mrfinch> nice thanks
[03:36] <Hawkwind> crimsun: This all started after I followed this how-to:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[03:37] <Hawkwind> crimsun: I wonder if that script had something to do with it ?
[03:38] <crimsun> Hawkwind: well, I certainly see the MODE= being set to 0600
[03:38] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Hmm, so how can I change that ?
[03:39] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Or shall I say, reverse that
[03:39] <crimsun> well, I don't think that script is being invoked every boot -- is it?
[03:39] <Hawkwind> crimsun: It shouldn't be as it's in my users home directory
[03:40] <Hawkwind> crimsun: If I change MODE=600 to 666 then rerun the script, maybe it will fix my problem ?
[03:40] <crimsun> Hawkwind: try this: reboot using the recovery grub menu choice (which takes you to single-user), and look at the permissions on /dev/null
[03:41] <crimsun> Hawkwind: the script doesn't appear to touch /dev/null
[03:41] <Towering> well, the mixer has the SB as default, but still no sound
[03:41] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Ok, rebooting now.  I'll jump on the other box when it gets me to a termina
[03:41] <crimsun> Towering: I need the output from ``amixer'' pastebinned anew
[03:43] <Towering> http://pastebin.ca/71713
[03:44] <crimsun> Towering: amixer set 'PCM' on
[03:44] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: crw------- 1 root root 1, 3 2006-05-22 09:25 /dev/null
[03:44] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: Same as before
[03:45] <Towering> ok, now i have a continuous tone
[03:45] <ube> http://tgmandry.blogspot.com/2006/06/worlds-largest-foss-irc-network.html
[03:45] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: ``grep -nHr chmod  /etc/init.d/*''
[03:46] <crimsun> Towering: well, sound should work, no?
[03:46] <Towering> oh, there's sound, it's a continous tone
[03:46] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/71715
[03:46] <crimsun> Towering: so...what's the issue?
[03:47] <Towering> well, i don't think it should be a continuous tone
[03:47] <crimsun> Towering: you probably want to decrease PCM to 77% anyhow. The sb lives have a known problem with clipping at levels >80
[03:47] <Towering> ok
[03:47] <Towering> much better
[03:47] <Towering> didn't know that
[03:48] <driz> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166~~> this is an annoying error i get when ever i am installing something.
[03:48] <Towering> so how do i get amaroK to play sound?
[03:49] <driz> what sound?
[03:49] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: Does that output look right or wrong to you ?
[03:49] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: sec, I'm very busy atm
[03:50] <james_xxx> in trying to configure a PC to access the printer connected to another PC, when it askes for thehost of the remote IPP server, what am i supposed to enter?
[03:51] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: looks ok to me. Do you have the current packages (everything updated from dapper-updates and dapper-security)?
[03:51] <unix_infidel> james_xxx: the hostname of the server.
[03:51] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: Yes.  I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade maybe 3 - 4 hours ago
[03:51] <unix_infidel> whatever you set it to during install.
[03:52] <james_xxx> unix_infidel: ok, the name on the PC that the printer is connected to is 'james-laptop'... is that what i should enter? if it is, i can't get it to work
[03:52] <unix_infidel> james_xxx: you need to be able to resolve the host first no?
[03:53] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: I'm really curious if I take that script and change that MODE= line to 666 instead of 600 and run it if that will solve the issue on reboot
[03:53] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: I didn't look to see if that script is actually executed on every boot
[03:53] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: I think that only because this started after I ran that script trying to get lm-sensors to work
[03:54] <james_xxx> unix_infidel: i don't know what resolving the host means lol
[03:54] <james_xxx> sorry for being such a newb
[03:54] <Towering> i'm probably more of a newb
[03:55] <james_xxx> Towering: i dove into ubuntu very wrecklessly not knowing anything, and it has actually gone remarkably well, due a lot to the help in this room
[03:55] <driz> not i'm a NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWBIE
[03:56] <Towering> i'll be happy to hear some music on amaroK
[03:56] <crimsun> Towering: ...what type of music?
[03:57] <james_xxx> how do you resolve a host?
[03:57] <crimsun> james_xxx: host somehost
[03:57] <Towering> right now it's set to a radio station on amaroK
[03:57] <james_xxx> crimsun: do i enter that where it asks for the host's name?
[03:57] <crimsun> Towering: ...which streams what, vorbis? mpc? mp3? wma? aac?
[03:57] <Towering> i have audio when in windows XP
[03:57] <Towering> not sure, how can i tell?
[03:57] <crimsun> james_xxx: if you're referring to the installer, if you're not sure just leave it blank
[03:58] <crimsun> Towering: what's the url?
[03:58] <james_xxx> crimsun: i am trying to set up network printing
[03:58] <crimsun> james_xxx: beats me, I know jack squat about printing, sorry
[03:58] <Towering> http://glou.relay.frequence3.net:8000/
[03:59] <Towering> yeah.. that's it
[03:59] <crimsun> I'm firewalled on port 8000
[03:59] <crimsun> I'm willing to bet that's an mp3 stream, thoguh
[03:59] <crimsun> though^
[03:59] <james_xxx> crimsun: the only thing i have discovered is that setting up a preinting server with k/ubuntu is WAY more difficult than in windows, and i actually did not expect that
[03:59] <Towering> ok, probably is then
[03:59] <crimsun> Towering: do you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[04:00] <Towering> i don't think that showed up in my apt
[04:00] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> is compiling from source the best way to install stuff on your pc?
[04:01] <Towering> libxine-extracodecs doesn't list in my Adept Manager
[04:01] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: What/Where would I put chmod 666 /dev/null so that it changes the perms on /dev/null to 666 so that when I boot to the GUI login I can start X without problems ?
[04:01] <user_> what is ur nme?
[04:02] <crimsun> Towering: you need to enable universe and multiverse first
[04:02] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: in /etc/rc.local
[04:03] <Towering> ok, see that's the part i've been trying to figure out, kubuntu site wasn't updated to inform me and ubunut site is different
[04:03] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: If I just add 'chmod 666 /dev/null' to the bottom of that, will it run it as root and change the perms without user interaction ?
[04:04] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: Because if I put sudo in front of it, it will ask for the password I assume
[04:04] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: /etc/rc.local is executed as uid 0
[04:04] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: (don't preface it with sudo)
[04:05] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: Ok thanks.  Testing another reboot to see what happens now
[04:06] <azzco> I've got a question here...I've got some avis that I'd like to burn to a DVD (me fiddling around with a program) does anyone know if k3b can make menus and such for creating a DVD?
[04:09] <Healot> azzco: k3b has a DVD Video project, but you need to convert those OpenAVI video to MPEG2 compliant video first
[04:10] <azzco> thx that's something that I wanted to hear :) Healot, can it create menus and such too?
[04:11] <Healot> File -> New Project -> New Video DVD
[04:11] <Towering> how do you enable multiverse in Adept Manager?
[04:11] <azzco> THX :)...do you happen to know any way(program) to convert the avis
[04:11] <Healot> btw, you need to design the DVD video file manually... azzco, one drawback
[04:12] <Healot> the DVD video structure is there in k3b, not the VOB bs :-
[04:12] <azzco> oh...you mean one "video file"
[04:12] <azzco> I'm really new to video editing =/
[04:12] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: I added that to /etc/rc.local and the perms are still incorrect after rebooting :(
[04:12] <Healot> azzco: I use Windows application for that :)
[04:12] <Healot> or Mac
[04:12] <azzco> oh
[04:13] <azzco> well I'll be fiddling around a bit here ;) I'll get backhere if I encounter any problems ;)
[04:13] <Healot> mmmkay
[04:13] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: is /etc/rc.local executable? Did you place the chmod before the "exit 0"?
[04:13] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: No, I put it after exit 0
[04:14] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: then it was not executed.
[04:14] <crimsun> it needs to be placed before the exit 0
[04:14] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: Ok. rebooting again to try it
[04:15] <Towering> nm, i think i got it now
[04:18] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> crimsun: As always man, thanks for your great and wonderful help :)
[04:18] <crimsun> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: np
[04:20] <Hawkwind> Now I just need to find out what exactly is causing that issue
[04:26] <Healot> sankarshan: Redhat India?
[04:27] <Towering> well, except there is no libxine-extracodecs
[04:27] <crimsun> Towering: you need to enable universe and multiverse
[04:27] <Healot> on the dapper repos, not dapper-backports
[04:28] <Healot> I saw many of this repos bs when people use adept to change the sources.list file
[04:29] <Healot> is adept buggy somehow?
[04:29] <Towering> i did
[04:29] <Towering> all that's listed
[04:31] <Healot> surrender you /etc/apt/sources.list and I'll tell you what to do...
[04:31] <Healot> hmm sounds more like a threat :)
[04:33] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> !restricted
[04:33] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:34] <Towering> hope my country is 01
[04:34] <Healot> the US of A?
[04:34] <Towering> yep
[04:34] <Healot> it's been no. for nearly everything :)
[04:34] <Healot> no. 1
[04:35] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> !mp3
[04:35] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:35] <Healot> Ubuntu is the 3rd non-American distro that I used so far :0
[04:42] <zblach> crimsun: if you're still at all interested, sound started working spontaneously after switching back to the 386 kernel
[04:43] <crimsun> zblach: and doesn't work at all with 686?
[04:43] <zblach> seems that way to me
[04:43] <crimsun> err, isn't audible
[04:43] <crimsun> sigh, that's the second report
[04:43] <zblach> unfortunately, i'm now listening to coldplay.
[04:43] <crimsun> something's being misoptimised
[04:44] <zblach> nothing to do with dual core?
[04:45] <crimsun> doubtful.
[04:46] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> can somone tell me how to install the lame headers and codec?  i want to do that before compiling kaffeine
[04:46] <zblach> should I stick with 386 for now? or the 686-smp?
[04:48] <Healot> if you have d-core, smp is way to go
[04:49] <crimsun> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: sudo apt-get build-dep kaffeine
[04:49] <Healot> build-dep is easier
[04:49] <Healot> or are you trying to compile the latest source manually
[04:50] <Healot> liblame-dev >> for lame devel headers
[04:52] <Chicory> If I'm running an AMD 64 K8 chipset, can I even RUN i386?
[04:53] <Healot> YES, absolutely
[04:53] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> crimsun: u think that will get the lame mp3 codec?
[04:53] <Chicory> Hey, I'm just checking.
[04:53] <Healot> it's still an x86
[04:54] <Chicory> Okay, then on that note would an i386 build be better for WINE?
[04:54] <Healot> no, I am just being bold...
[04:54] <Healot> in sense of compatibility, yes, Chicory
[04:55] <Healot> but wine will also compile with amd64 release
[04:55] <Towering> so, how can you change the sources.list?
[04:55] <Chicory> Hmm ...
[04:55] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> crimsun: nope it didnt
[04:56] <Towering> generated a list through the web and all
[04:56] <Chicory> How complicated would be compiling WINE in an amd64 build?
[04:56] <Healot> define "complicated"
[04:56] <Steven_M> hi all
[04:56] <Healot> as long you can get the required devel packages, you can do the compiling
[04:56] <Chicory> Er ... "any more complicated than perhaps dpkg-config".
[04:57] <Healot> no...
[04:57] <Healot> you'll do the same thing on both releases, amd64 and i386
[04:57] <crimsun> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: did you install liblame-dev?
[04:58] <Steven_M> What comand would I use for reconfiguring gtk+?
[04:58] <Chicory> Hmm ...
[04:59] <Chicory> Maybe I should leave installing WINE and MythTV until I'm more advanced.
[04:59] <Healot> Chicory: installing is easy, compilation is not
[04:59] <Chicory> Right.
[05:00] <driz> OMG i'm installin a windows version of firefox the hair on my back is standing up!!!!
[05:00] <Chicory> ... Driz, you're kidding, right?
[05:00] <Steven_M> anyone?
[05:01] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> crimsun: that did it , thanks , good job
[05:02] <driz> nope
[05:02] <driz> Chicory: I have to to be able to run flash.
[05:02] <Chicory> Okay, this is going to be pretty short-sighted, but why doesn't my OpenGL driver support my ATI All-In-Wonder 1600 Pro?
[05:03] <Healot> sudo dpkg-reconfigure libgtk2.0-common >> if this actually work, btw what's the problem with your gtk settings? Steven_M
[05:03] <Healot> driz: dl and install the Flash plugin from Adobe's site
[05:03] <Healot> or autoinstall when prompt to do so
[05:05] <driz> Healot i tried that but it wouldn't work. i was loking at the web site and it said to do so.
[05:05] <Healot> for Windows's Firefox?
[05:07] <Steven_M> Healot: it's not gtk2 I want to reconfigure it's gtk+
[05:07] <Healot> sudo dpkg-reconfigure libgtk1.2-common then
[05:08] <Healot> btw, server moderation coming up...
[05:09] <Steven_M> Healot: thanks :)
[05:09] <Healot> why you need gtk in KDE ? oh, you installed GTk apps
[05:12] <Steven_M> be back soon
[05:12] <Music^Hound> what do I need to update to kde 3.5.3 ?
[05:13] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> how can i make the left side folder tree icons larger?
[05:13] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Music^Hound: you need to add the right repo ,
[05:14] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Music^Hound: and just install it
[05:14] <Music^Hound> what repo ?
[05:14] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353 dapper main
[05:15] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> thats if u use dapper
[05:15] <Music^Hound> yea I just installed it
[05:16] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> i installed it from adept , so not dont know what the command for installing its
[05:16] <Music^Hound> I'll figure it out
[05:18] <ube> i need help guys :[
[05:18] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> !justask
[05:18] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:19] <ube> oh hold up im going to try something
[05:26] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> how can i make the left side folder tree icons larger?
[06:24] <osiris> enough withthe nick changes
[06:24] <osiris> geesh
[06:24] <Izzymouse> Oops sorry
[06:27] <Steven_M> hi all
[06:27] <osiris> hi steven
[06:30] <Steven_M> hi osiris
[06:31] <Steven_M> kosh: you have always been here :)
[06:31] <word> is it possible to have your home directory on a seperate partition and to use it between distributions?
[06:31] <osiris> knda
[06:32] <kosh> Steven_M: pretty much :)
[06:32] <osiris> your ~/.files are whats most likley gonna screw ya
[06:32] <osiris> as config files change between distros
[06:32] <kosh> your personal .files are application specific not distro specific
[06:33] <kosh> what could cause problems is if you have kde 3.5 on one dist and 3.4 on another dist or something like that
[06:33] <Steven_M> kosh: I presoume you're a babylon 5 fan?
[06:33] <osiris> again, as i stated
[06:33] <kosh> that would likely even work, what would screw up is kde 2.x on one and kde 3.x on another
[06:33] <kosh> Steven_M: yup
[06:34] <osiris> or .xmms with soundwrapper options, and without
[06:34] <word> Hmm..suse 10.1 and kubuntu should theoratically share a home peacefully?
[06:34] <osiris> everyhting aside from the .files will be fine
[06:34] <kosh> it will probably work
[06:34] <Steven_M> kosh cool :)
[06:34] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> how can i make the left side folder tree icons larger?
[06:34] <word> Yah...I won't do it at first to make sure their relatively simmilar i suppose
[06:35] <osiris> word, one might overwrite the others .files, so you may run into issues
[06:35] <word> would their be a way to just share personal files in the home directory? and to have the .files only locally on the seperate distros partitions?
[06:35] <osiris> but backups make everything nice
[06:35] <word> like to mount the partiiton to the dir but the dir already having contents?
[06:36] <osiris> i dont know how to specify where personals go
[06:37] <Steven_M> does anyone know of a chat room especially for X11 issues?
[06:37] <kosh> don't know
[06:38] <kosh> what are your X11 issues?
[06:39] <Aspect404> Anyone here?
[06:41] <Steven_M> bye all
[06:42] <kosh> Aspect404: there are people here, however most won't respond instantly
[06:56] <Nightsapper> Anyone have any clues for someone trying to use a LiveCD based Kubuntu install from behind a company firewall?  Its websense and the only thing I have is an autoproxy link.  So far, I cant get anything to update load or install that wasnt in the default LiveCD install to disk.  that means no firefox, etc - and apt-get doenst seem to work at all.
[06:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Do a few error messages in my "evms-engine.log" have to make me worry?
[06:59] <thompa> the touchpad curser moves too stiff sometimes when cpu is up
[06:59] <thompa> i have to disable it, and use usb mouse
[07:01] <Nightsapper> Sorry not a clue.  Im new to Debian - coming from Redhat.  And I cant even get my Dapper to connect and update.
[07:01] <thompa> are you trying dist-upgrade?
[07:01] <Nightsapper> I can SSH and the Konq browser works off the autorpoxy, but add-remove, Adept and apt-get are all dead int he water
[07:02] <Nightsapper> I insalled formthe Live CD - jsu ttrying to get the Gnome stuff added - and things liek Firefox that the Live CD didn't install
[07:02] <thompa> type su first, then apt-get update
[07:02] <Nightsapper> doesnt work.
[07:02] <thompa> whats the error
[07:02] <Nightsapper> Im behind a corporate fireall (sebsense)
[07:02] <thompa> oh
[07:03] <thompa> is it a notebook or PC
[07:03] <Nightsapper> I can get out via SSH, and can get Kong to hit the company autoproxy but thats it.  Desktop box.
[07:03] <Nightsapper> Im on my winbox now because I cant get the doggone Dapper to go :-(
[07:03] <Nightsapper> *konq
[07:04] <thompa> just put it on usb
[07:04] <thompa> i got kubuntu on my ipod
[07:04] <Nightsapper> USB not allowed.  I work in R&D and its a restricted facility - lucky to have net access th way they been shutting downhere since a guy walked out with company data
[07:05] <thompa> well tell them you need linux
[07:05] <Nightsapper> No cell phones either - have to leave them at the froint desk. no blue tooth, etc.
[07:05] <Nightsapper> I did - they said fine, go get it and install it heh.
[07:05] <crimsun> heh, you're lucky. We can't carry them into the building.
[07:05] <thompa> i worked for the air force once, was like that
[07:05] <Nightsapper> So I did - but Dapper doesnt want to play nice.
[07:06] <thompa> are you aloud to go home or a slave?
[07:06] <Nightsapper> I dont want to go to Redhat but thats where things re headed if I cant show that this cna be installed and maintained from behind a firewall.
[07:07] <thompa> cant you ftpz?
[07:07] <Nightsapper> I go home just fine.  Job security has its costs.  ncie thing is that I dont take work home.
[07:07] <thompa> or normal ftp
[07:07] <suzie_fox> on this old computer i just recently got, i'm getting a kernel panic error, attmpted to kill init
[07:07] <suzie_fox> when trying to boot the kubuntu CD
[07:07] <Nightsapper> I cna FTP - but I'd rather get thigns to where the folks that want it can maintain thier own without much hassle.    Just hoping there is somethign easy I missed in configuring it.
[07:08] <thompa> any qsynaptics seems to work
[07:08] <thompa> work well that is for touchpad
[07:08] <Nightsapper> nope - synaptic isnt installed as part of the default Live CD install.
[07:09] <Nightsapper> so I dont have it - and with apt-get and adept not getting thrut he proxy, Im kinda hosed
[07:09] <thompa> i mean touchpad program qsyanptics
[07:09] <thompa> i installed synaptics too,
[07:09] <Nightsapper> suz - what type CPU?
[07:09] <suzie_fox> hold on a second
[07:10] <Nightsapper> funny thing is my home install went like dumb-easy.  I mean hit me in the head with and axe handle and I can still install it easy
[07:10] <suzie_fox> AMD K6, 2 CPUs
[07:11] <Nightsapper> Hmm.  maybe somethign to do with dual CPU motherboard that "old" - but thats just a pure guess on whayit would kernel panic on load.
[07:11] <Lynoure> hmm, getting gobby to work doesn't seem to be trivial
[07:11] <suzie_fox> i don't think it's something wrong with kubuntu itself, or the CD, since it also does it with my knoppix CD
[07:11] <Nightsapper> bios issue sounds like
[07:11] <Nightsapper> try running the memtest instead of the install
[07:12] <Nightsapper> last time I had a wierd panic turned out I had bad RAM
[07:12] <suzie_fox> i let the memtest run at boot, and it appears to work
[07:12] <thompa> how much ram do you have?
[07:12] <suzie_fox> 128mb
[07:12] <Nightsapper> thats plenty
[07:12] <suzie_fox> i'll probably put more in later
[07:12] <Nightsapper> for an initial instally anyways
[07:13] <suzie_fox> now, even the BIOS won't come up...give me a minute
[07:13] <Nightsapper> Oh.  bad mobo is sounding more the case.  yeouch.
[07:13] <thompa> i just had an amd xp 1800 on a soyo k400 go down
[07:13] <suzie_fox> i hope not
[07:13] <Nightsapper> any newcomers -: is there an easy way to get apt-get to work with an autoproxy?
[07:14] <thompa> mine wont even boot any hard drives anymore
[07:14] <Nightsapper> I had a lot of probs with syo Mobos in the past.
[07:15] <Nightsapper> went thru 2 RMA till I got a good Dragon
[07:15] <thompa> i replaced everything until i moved the blue hard drive connecter to a differnt plug
[07:15] <thompa> now it works sort of
[07:16] <thompa> mine syas dragon ultra on it
[07:16] <Nightsapper> yep - same I had.  LOL
[07:16] <thompa> too noisy fans though
[07:17] <thompa> now qsynaptics refushes to work again
[07:18] <khaije1> hi all :-)
[07:18] <thompa> i need to speed up scrolling
[07:18] <Nightsapper> suze: try replacing the HD cable that goes to the CDROM drive - or put it on a different one.  That mayhelp troubleshoot the drive vs cable vs Mobo issues
[07:18] <Nightsapper> hi
[07:18] <thompa> the window comes up but its as if i dont have permissions
[07:19] <khaije1> is there a way to do the minimal install w/ the dapper desktop cd?
[07:19] <suzie_fox> i tried resetting the BIOS
[07:19] <suzie_fox> since one of the CD roms was bad, so i unplugged it
[07:19] <thompa> what minimum?
[07:19] <kosh> currently I am using a soyo dragon kt880 v2.0 which has worked flawlessly, going to replace it soon but no issues with it
[07:19] <suzie_fox> that might've confused it some
[07:19] <Nightsapper> any newcomers -: is there an easy way to get apt-get to work with an autoproxy?
[07:19] <suzie_fox> because it was acting strange after that
[07:19] <thompa> it is allready middle minimal
[07:19] <suzie_fox> never seen something so simple cause anything like that...but...meh
[07:19] <kosh> what I find helpful though is not to use master slave stuff, just run one drive per channel and have it the master
[07:20] <suzie_fox> it seems to be booting Knoppix now
[07:20] <kosh> Nightsapper: sorry no idea about autoproxy
[07:20] <khaije1> in breezy with either cd you could choose a very minimalistic install w/ the server option
[07:20] <Nightsapper> dapper LiveCD I consider to be minimal - no Gnome libs, no gvim, no firefox, etc.  Heh.
[07:21] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> dapper has a server option , but that doesnt install x , kde or gnome
[07:21] <khaije1> Nightsapper: thompa: i'd like it as minimal as possible, i don't need a gui or anything that isn't required for the system to operate, the only purpose of this install is the run xen so i want it small and light
[07:21] <Nightsapper> what Noc said - server install
[07:22] <khaije1> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: oh sorry, didn't see that... do i need the server cd for that, or can i do it from the desktop cd?
[07:23] <thompa> its 431m
[07:23] <thompa> thats like 5 times lighter than suse or redhat
[07:24] <khaije1> thompa: :-)
[07:24] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> khaije1: im not sure because i downloaded and used all of them ,
[07:24] <khaije1> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: ya... unfortunately it doesn't readily present itself... i really liked the fact it was possible from any install cd in the past
[07:25] <suzie_fox> ok, yeah, i just needed to reset the BIOS i guess
[07:25] <khaije1> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: i can't even find info about passing options to ubiquity
[07:25] <khaije1> hi Hobbsee, how you be?
[07:26] <Hobbsee> hi khaije1 - i be happy, cos i got to meet up with someone interesting :D
[07:26] <khaije1> ^_^
[07:26] <suzie_fox> at least knoppix loaded anywyas. kubuntu is saying some crap about not syncing now....great.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> khaije1: in person
[07:27] <khaije1> Hobbsee: sorry i'm busy atm, but later perhaps ;-)
[07:28] <khaije1> hey Hobbsee, do you know if it's possible to do a minimal install option from the dapper 'desktop' cds?
[07:28] <Hobbsee> khaije1: yeah, do a server install
[07:28] <khaije1> where is that option? it used to be right at the boot splash, but i didn't see it.... :-(
[07:28] <Hobbsee> um...
[07:28] <thwh00> hello
[07:29] <Hobbsee> dont remember
[07:29] <thwh00> whats the sudo command for getting firestarter
[07:29] <khaije1> Hobbsee: ha! stumpped ya!
[07:29] <Hobbsee> khaije1: that's not hard
[07:29] <MilhousePunkRock> khaije1: I think you need the alternate CD for that...
[07:29] <khaije1> thwh00: sudo apt-get install firestarter (is that what you mean?)
[07:30] <thwh00> yeah butttt
[07:30] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: ok, just thought i'd check here first to be sure... leaving the option out seems like a step backwards :-/
[07:30] <thwh00> that didn't work
[07:30] <thwh00> i want to install firestarter for kubuntu
[07:30] <khaije1> thwh00: well what'd it say?
[07:30] <thwh00> it said nothin nothin showed up\
[07:30] <MilhousePunkRock> The Desktop CD does not really give you many options, khaije1
[07:31] <MilhousePunkRock> Do a few error messages in my "evms-engine.log" have to make me worry?
[07:31] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: i'm not sure, but what do they say?
[07:31] <thwh00> dept does not list firestarter either
[07:31] <thwh00> adelpt*
[07:31] <thwh00> you know what i mean
[07:31] <MilhousePunkRock> Hold on, I'll put the log to the pastebin
[07:32] <thwh00> what are some other commands for installer firestarter
[07:32] <Nightsapper> any newcomers -: is there an easy way to get apt-get to work with an autoproxy? (installed from LiveCD, stranded without firefox, libgtk, synaptic etc)
[07:32] <osiris> thwh00, you arnt talking about firefox are you ?
[07:32] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: cool!
[07:32] <thwh00> no firestarter
[07:32] <thwh00> a firewalll program
[07:33] <farous> thwh00: check that you have the right repos enabled
[07:33] <farous> sudo apt-get install firestarter
[07:33] <thwh00> yeah that command doesn;t work it must be my repos, one sec
[07:34] <Melchiorre_away> thwh00: firestarter is in the universe repository, you need to enable that first...
[07:35] <thwh00> should i just enable them all
[07:36] <Melchiorre> thwh00: shouldn't hurt
[07:38] <MilhousePunkRock> Wow, the pastebin is awfully slow again today...
[07:39] <khaije1> did anyone else see the slashdot article about freenode passwords being compromised?
[07:39] <MilhousePunkRock> Not yet, khaije1, you got a link?
[07:39] <Hobbsee> khaije1: no, link?
[07:40] <thwh00> ok well just to let you know firestarter was found when enabling more repos but the sudo command still doesn not work
[07:40] <khaije1> http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/06/25/1440236.shtml
[07:40] <Nightsapper> someone wants to impersonate me whinging about Dapper not being able to update from behind this godforsaken websense firewall autoproxy, they are welcome to it.  LOL
[07:40] <khaije1> haha
[07:40] <Melchiorre> thwh00: have you 'sudo apt-get update' ed?
[07:41] <MilhousePunkRock> OK, I used pastebin.ca now, look here: http://pastebin.ca/71825
[07:41] <khaije1> thats a good point, but as always with slashdot the comments are nearly worth more than the story
[07:41] <Nightsapper> -> coding gvim on WinXP because I cant get Gvim on my dapper box.  yeeech.
[07:41] <thwh00> ummmm.. no lol i dunno what that is
[07:41] <thwh00> i just used adept to install
[07:42] <Melchiorre> thwh00: that works just as well... ;)
[07:42] <thwh00> lol yes sir
[07:42] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: is this only on startup?
[07:43] <MilhousePunkRock> It's the first time I looked at the logs, I noticed those errors when booting up earlier this morning
[07:44] <khaije1> line 1 - 139 looks pretty normal to me... like initialization stuff mostly
[07:46] <kike> alguien vivo
[07:47] <KaiserSuse> kike: si
[07:47] <kike> hola Kaiser, cre que ya todos dorman
[07:47] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: what it calls 'discovery' .... actually line 120 - 156 look like they could be problematic... are there any noticable problems?
[07:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Not really, khaije1
[07:47] <kike> alguien de chile?
[07:48] <khaije1> soy de estados unidos :-)
[07:48] <kike> que tal buenos das
[07:48] <khaije1> y tu tambien
[07:49] <kike> Milhouse do you know the band No Use For A Name??
[07:49] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey TheInfinity
[07:49] <TheInfinity> hiho
[07:49] <MilhousePunkRock> Sure I do, kike
[07:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Would I be allowed to wear my name if I didn't?
[07:50] <kike> :-)
[07:50] <kike> keep the confused
[07:50] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: u know... it looks like it can't find the ntfs plugins..
[07:51] <MilhousePunkRock> Yeah, well, why would it need it anyway? No NTFS partitions here...
[07:51] <kike> you speak spanish?
[07:51] <kike> Milhouse??
[07:51] <MilhousePunkRock> No habla espanol...
[07:52] <kike> .-(
[07:52] <kike> :-(
[07:52] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: honestly i'm not really sure, i would say check to see if you can find a package for that, if not then you could try a purge and re-install but i'm not sure how risky this is so i can't really reccomend it
[07:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Donde esta la biblioteca?
[07:53] <MilhousePunkRock> What about lines 156 to 159?
[07:54] <khaije1> thats just detecting the disk geometry method, there are a handful of different ways to represent it mostly as a way to adapt to artificial disk size limits
[07:54] <kike> qualcuno parla italiano?
[07:54] <MilhousePunkRock> I just performed a search for "NTFS" in adept, all the results are _not_ installed
[07:55] <khaije1> i've gotta little bit of offline work to do so i'm going afk
[07:55] <kike> alguien me puede traducir que necesita Milhouse
[07:55] <khaije1> MilhousePunkRock: read everything very carefully before installing, the risk isnt huge but yuor always better off that way :-)
[07:56] <khaije1> see ya'll later 0/
[07:56] <MilhousePunkRock> Huh? kike?
[07:56] <MilhousePunkRock> CU khaije1
[07:56] <KaiserSuse> Does anyone knows how big would an ubuntu mirror (i386 only) would be? (including main, restricted, universe and multiverse)
[07:57] <kike> non c'e nessuno qui per parlare con me???????
[07:57] <Nightsapper> any newcomers -: is there an easy way to get apt-get to work with an autoproxy (.pac, websense)?
[07:58] <MilhousePunkRock> kike, sorry, but I don't understand a word
[07:58] <kike> no problem
[07:58] <Melchiorre> MilhousePunkRock: he said : somebody can translate to me that Milhouse needs
[07:59] <Nightsapper> any newcomers: is there an easy way to get apt-get to work with an autoproxy (.pac, websense)? [ FYI installed off Dapper LiveCD so I don't have Firefox, synaptic, gnome libs, etc - and with apt-get/adept unable to get out, Im hosed] 
[07:59] <Melchiorre> whatever that means ;)
[07:59] <kike> see later.......
[07:59] <Nightsapper> oops.  sorry hit enter too soon.
[08:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Nightsapper, did you add the CD to your sources list? Not that I really know if anything you need/want is on there...
[08:05] <Nightsapper> Unfortunately that stuff isnt onthe LivCD.
[08:06] <Nightsapper> Latest version of Firefox, etc.
[08:06] <Nightsapper> and GAIM.
[08:06] <Nightsapper> sad thing is the install went stupid smooth at home.
[08:06] <MilhousePunkRock> What about downloading the packages manually?
[08:07] <Nightsapper> I'm talking "hit-me-in-the-head-with-an-axe-handle and I can still do it" simple.
[08:07] <Nightsapper> via FTP?
[08:08] <Nightsapper> problem is I'd rather make it a bit simpler - I have some semi-technical folks that simply willnot be bothered with stuff liek updating thier system unless its easy (PhD types)
[08:09] <Nightsapper> Friends dont let friends use RPMs or so I'm told.   so I'm trying to find an alternative to the local Redhat sales guys pitch to management.
[08:12] <Nightsapper> its just amazing how badly a dynamic corporate firewall can screw things up (websense)
[08:13] <MilhousePunkRock> No RPM, try finding .deb packages, or zipped ones...
[08:17] <Healot> what package?
[08:18] <paul_> hi all
[08:18] <hybrid> howdy
[08:18] <Melchiorre> hi paul_
[08:19] <MilhousePunkRock> Hi paul
[08:19] <paul_> how you all doing?
[08:20] <hybrid> well, and you?
[08:20] <paul_> not too shabby
[08:25] <Nightsapper> any newcomers -: is there an easy way to get apt-get to work with an autoproxy (.pac, websense)?
[08:26] <Healot> apt-get usually use source servers via HTTP/fTP
[08:26] <Healot> shou;ld have no problem if your router allows web surfing
[08:27] <MilhousePunkRock> Is anyone running Kubuntu on a Laptop here?
[08:28] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: should be plenty of people
[08:28] <Melchiorre> I do
[08:28] <Melchiorre> *I am
[08:28] <Nightsapper> well the problem is its an autorpoxy - so it changes the proxe based onthe request, the hsot, etc.  Konquerer handles it but apt seems to require a fixed proxy
[08:28] <MilhousePunkRock> I am wondering how to make power management work...
[08:29] <Healot> Nightsapper: you need to connect over proxy eg
[08:29] <Melchiorre> MilhousePunkRock: hahaha, I haven't managed either...
[08:29] <Healot> ok... I haven't figure that out yet... man apt-get?
[08:29] <Healot> i think there is an option to use web proxy
[08:29] <MilhousePunkRock> e.g. the "lid event" making it go to suspend to RAM (that is what used to be called "stand-by" on Windows, is it?)
[08:30] <Melchiorre> MilhousePunkRock: yes, but that doesn't seem to work on my Compaq
[08:30] <MilhousePunkRock> I know there is a package called ibm-acpi and it _should_ be in Kubuntu, but I just can't find it
[08:31] <Nightsapper> Heal I tried that - it jsut has standard rposywith a fixed addres, login and pass (and most of that live in the /etc/apt/apt.conf fiel or the environment - not places to leave my login and passowrd).
[08:32] <Nightsapper> sheesh  typos.  getting tired 9and coding perl in another window isn't helping much)
[08:32] <crimsun> MilhousePunkRock: it's already in our kernel.
[08:33] <MilhousePunkRock> So I don't need the package, crimsun? But how do I enable it?
[08:36] <crimsun> MilhousePunkRock: it's already enabled
[08:36] <crimsun> MilhousePunkRock: the acpi scripts, etc., are in the acpi-support package
[08:36] <crimsun> MilhousePunkRock: it should work out of the box. Mine does.
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> But I can choose anything in System Settings --> Hardware --> Power & Laptop, nothing is working
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> Primarily I want the lid event
[08:38] <crimsun> MilhousePunkRock: I don't have that screen in front of me, but did you enable the acpi helper in the last tab?
[08:38] <MilhousePunkRock> Let me check, crimsun
[08:38] <lowtech> looks like acpi_ibm is a module that may need to be loaded
[08:39] <MilhousePunkRock> I enabled it now, guess I have to reboot?
[08:42] <_stephen> h
[08:42] <Healot> MilhousePunkRock: yes
[08:43] <_stephen> Ive just installed kubuntu do u know any good begginer guides
[08:43] <_stephen> im new to linux
[08:43] <Healot> www.tldp.org
[08:44] <lowtech> the links in the topic would be a good start
[08:44] <_stephen> thank you kindly
[08:44] <Nightsapper> kubuntu.org has some nice links on thier beginners page.
[08:44] <Healot> and ubuntu specific
[08:45] <Nightsapper> and congrats _steph
[08:45] <_stephen> :)
[08:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Ahw, noone congratulated me when I installed Kubuntu... :-/
[08:46] <_stephen> thanks im goin to get reading
[08:48] <Healot> MilhousePunkRock: everyone else did that successfully  before :)
[08:48] <Hobbsee> Healot: not necessarily.  i accidently formatted my hard drive when i did hehe
[08:48] <Nightsapper> Youve taken the first step into a larger universe.
[08:48] <MilhousePunkRock> My first installation was anything else than succesful though (due to a faulty CD)
[08:49] <Nightsapper> (had to be an apropo Star Wars quote laying around somewhere unused just for such a moment...)
[08:49] <MilhousePunkRock> lol Nightsapper
[08:51] <Healot> heh
[08:51] <Hobbsee> a printed one :)
[08:52] <unix_infidel> oh, snap i need to order one.
[08:52] <thwh00> is anyone familiar with the program BIONIC
[08:52] <thwh00> i need help installing
[08:52] <Healot> no...? thompa
[08:52] <Healot> thwh00...
[08:52] <Healot> damn
[08:53] <thwh00> um ok
[08:53] <word> Hobbsee: They comin out now? I ordered mine before they started sending..suppose it's been 3-4 weeks since june :-/
[08:53] <thwh00> its a .sh file
[08:53] <lowtech> sh file.sh
[08:53] <Hobbsee> word: i'm not sure where this one came from, to be honest.
[08:53] <word> Hobbsee: Lol. just suddenly appeared in your hand? :P
[08:53] <lowtech> thwh00: may need to chmod +x it first though
[08:53] <Healot> chmod +x first
[08:53] <Hobbsee> word: no, it got given to me by a woman i met today :)
[08:54] <Hobbsee> but i'm not sure how she got it, as her hubby isnt home from the conference yet
[08:54] <Hobbsee> maybe they got some sent out or something
[08:54] <thwh00> well what it tells me to do is extrach to directory then run command
[08:54] <thwh00> one sec
[08:55] <word> Maybe :-/
[08:55] <word> Does it come in a nifty case or cd envelope thingy?
[08:56] <Healot> anyone bought the jewel cased DVD yet?
[08:56] <NeoChaosX> cd envelope, if the Ubuntu CDs my computer science club gives away is any indication
[08:56] <Hobbsee> word: it's in a clear case, this one - it's printed wrong though, so i dont know
[08:56] <word> heh
[08:58] <MilhousePunkRock> With more annoying questions... ;-)
[08:58] <thwh00> ok when i run these commands at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/sea.php for installing this program i get an error message saying unkown host
[08:59] <thwh00> i am trying to install boinc_5.2.13_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
[08:59] <Melchiorre> thwh00: are you typing 'sh' or 'ssh'?
[08:59] <thwh00> .sh
[09:00] <thwh00> boinc_5.2.13_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh is the file name
[09:00] <lowtech> sh boinc,...sh
[09:00] <thwh00> it says in the nots
[09:00] <thwh00> BOINC for Unix/Linux is available as a self-extracting archive. The download files have names like
[09:00] <thwh00> boinc_5.2.13_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
[09:01] <farous> thwh00: jsut type ./filename
[09:01] <lowtech> right, its an .sh file so run sh filename.sh
[09:01] <farous> thwh00: so to execute it type ./bonic.....sh
[09:01] <lowtech> or that
[09:01] <farous> thwh00: given you are in its dir
[09:02] <thwh00> the file is located on desktop
[09:02] <lowtech> there is a desktop directory in your home
[09:02] <farous> thwh00: normally double clicking on it do the trich but it is better to do it in a terminal to see what is happening
[09:03] <thwh00> yeah i ran it in terminal and it keeps saying unkown host
[09:03] <farous> thwh00: one more thing check if it has the executable flag set. right mouse click and see if in permission it say execute
[09:04] <farous> thwh00: then you have to take your question to the program provider.
[09:04] <MilhousePunkRock> re
[09:04] <thwh00> are you talking about a checkbox that so is executable
[09:05] <thwh00> also when double clicking the.sh file it opens in kate an says The file file:///home/b/Desktop/boinc_5.4.9_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh is a binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file. so that doesn;t work
[09:05] <thwh00> ill try checking box though
[09:07] <MilhousePunkRock> I rebooted now, but still closing the lid does nothing :-/
[09:07] <farous> MilhousePunkRock: check if there is a kdepowermanagement. i use gnome and can set it from gnomepowermanagement package
[09:08] <Hobbsee> kpowersave or klaptop
[09:08] <Hobbsee> kpowersave is better
[09:08] <MilhousePunkRock> There is something about Laptops & Power in the system settings, but nothing seems to do a thing in there
[09:09] <jad> hola
[09:09] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: install kpowersave - much easier to use
[09:09] <MilhousePunkRock> kpowersave sounds interesting, I was looking for a replacement for KLaptop anyway
[09:09] <MilhousePunkRock> thx Hobbsee
[09:10] <farous> Hobbsee: is kpowersave a front end for the powersaved
[09:10] <Hobbsee> farous: yes
[09:10] <farous> yah that is a nice prog
[09:10] <lowtech> oh thwh00 left. guess there's no reason to get boinc and try
[09:14] <MilhousePunkRock> installing KPowersave will remove some stuff, I assume that is OK?
[09:14] <farous> Hobbsee: do you know which corrupt font might cause this prob or at least how to find the guilty package Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GPOS table 4097
[09:14] <_rince_> mrgn
[09:14] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: yes
[09:14] <farous> MilhousePunkRock: yah will remove your default powersaving daemon
[09:14] <Hobbsee> farous: not a clue - maybe libpango or something?
[09:14] <farous> powernowd i presume
[09:15] <farous> Hobbsee: my search said it is a corrupt font not lib but can not pick up the one. the problem it makes application rendering erratic sometimes i see the font others it is so corrupt you can not understand what is on display
[09:16] <Hobbsee> farous: right.  i really dont know
[09:16] <farous> thanx
[09:16] <farous> no problem
[09:17] <kane_> farous: a lot of fonts have GPOS tables :/
[09:17] <farous> kane_: but how to find the one causing the problem. is there a tool or something i can use.
[09:17] <kane_> Hobbsee: hi .. still got the same shitty problem with clipping
[09:17] <kane_> farous: not really
[09:17] <farous> i finally had to compile from source the most important appl i use
[09:18] <Hobbsee> hi kane_.  darn
[09:18] <kane_> farous: which is ?
[09:18] <farous> scilab
[09:18] <farous> maxima
[09:18] <kane_> Hobbsee: it really sucks :/
[09:18] <farous> flpsed
[09:18] <MilhousePunkRock> It wants to remove: apmd, klaptopdemon and powernowd
[09:19] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:19] <Hobbsee> that's okay
[09:19] <Hobbsee> kane_: did it end up getting filed under whichever package was the culprit?
[09:21] <galorin> I've just installed kubuntu 6.06 for AMD64 and am trying to install 32-bit firefox, following the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java but I can't even get past the first step, apt-get tells me "E: Couldn't find package sun-java5-bin" help?
[09:21] <MilhousePunkRock> Weird how Linux can remove applications that are currently running...
[09:21] <farous> galorin: enable mulitverse repos
[09:22] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: yeah, it tends to have trouble playing a music track that you've sent to /dev/null though.
[09:22] <MilhousePunkRock> Did you check your sources list, galorin?
[09:22] <farous> lol am too sleepy it is multiverse repos
[09:22] <Nightsapper> what source woudl that one come from (out of curiosity sake)
[09:23] <MilhousePunkRock> kpowersafe is installed
[09:23] <MilhousePunkRock> do i have to reboot now or is it sufficient to restart X?
[09:24] <galorin> I uncommented everything, but the only multiverse link is listed under dapper-backports.. I'll add it and try again.
[09:24] <farous> MilhousePunkRock: to check if powersave is running man powersave. there is an option that will tell you if it is running or not
[09:24] <farous> can not remember it now
[09:25] <farous> galorin: you can add multiverse on the same line as universe or make a new entry for it
[09:26] <farous> !easysource > galorin
[09:26] <galorin> doing the former.  Does multiverse also have a spot in  security.ubuntu.com?
[09:26] <crimsun> yes, but few people are actually supporting it
[09:27] <galorin> I'll add it in anyways
[09:27] <lowtech> hm, appears kubuntu doesn't support my camera
[09:27] <farous> crimsun: just out of curiosity why your repos that include bcm43xx are not included in easysource. quite a number of people having troubles with the card and it will be great help for them?
[09:28] <Healot> !repos
[09:28] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:28] <lowtech> wonder why support for Nikon cameras ends with the 5700, that camera is many years old
[09:29] <crimsun> farous: I'm not involved w/ easysource, but you can ask its creator{,s} to add it.
[09:30] <farous> ok thanx crimsun :)
[09:30] <farous> now back to work :)
[09:31] <galorin> yay, ta.  Should have spotted that one myself.  Not used to Debian-style stuff yet.  Been a Slacker for years.
[09:33] <MilhousePunkRock> farous: I can enter e.g. powersave --get-brightness and it gives me the current brightness level
[09:33] <lowtech> good thing i kept windows on my box, will have to deal with my camera there :(
[09:33] <MilhousePunkRock> there wasn't  a simple option to see if it is running
[09:34] <farous> MilhousePunkRock: it works well on my other notebook. on this one i found that powernowd is slightly better. so can not remember the commands. but its interface is superior to powernowd
[09:34] <farous> MilhousePunkRock: i think powersave -l or something
[09:35] <MilhousePunkRock> Speed set to minimum
[09:35] <farous> MilhousePunkRock: you can always restart it sudo /etc/init.d/powersaved restart. am sure there is somehting that will tell you which daemon is running but i do not know it :(
[09:35] <farous> no back to marking take care all
[09:36] <MilhousePunkRock> OMG, powersave -l clocked it down to 198.something MHz, I didn't know it could go so low
[09:36] <galorin> Should I bother compiling my own kernel for Kubuntu, or is that something that isn't really necessary?  I just find the huge number of modules a bit irritating.
[09:37] <lowtech> why does that irritate you?
[09:37] <dumbkiwi> galorin: modules aren't in the kernel, so compiling it won't assist.
[09:37] <dumbkiwi> galorin: rmmod them if they're not required
[09:38] <bam_> anyone know how to set up the pager so I can drag and drop windows in different desktops?
[09:38] <galorin> It's /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist that I'd want to remove 'em permanently right?  Had to do that to get my wireless chip working.
[09:39] <scheuri> hi all
[09:41] <Melchiorre> howdi scheuri
[09:56] <kane_> bam_: can't you just right click and select the desktop ?
[09:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys
[09:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what the freaking hell is khubd? it is taking 100% cpu from a while
[09:57] <emonkey> !khupd
[09:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about khupd
[09:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> emonkey: do you know what it is?
[09:58] <emonkey> atm no, I'm searching
[09:59] <emonkey> sorry found nothing and no time for deeper searching...
[10:00] <crimsun> Tallia1Kubuntu: it's a kernel thread.
[10:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why it is in a bad state
[10:01] <crimsun> (specifically coalescing usb events)
[10:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mmhh
[10:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mayybe the webcam did it
[10:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the system crash when i press the sshot picture butotn
[10:08] <NKjoep> good morning ppl
[10:09] <NKjoep> i'm trying to install language-support-it and witalian packets... but i got this:
[10:09] <NKjoep> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another proces
[10:10] <NKjoep> i dont know why config.dat is locked
[10:10] <Melchiorre> that usually means another apt-ish program is open, like adept or synsaptic (Even the background updater)
[10:10] <Melchiorre> *synaptic
[10:10] <Melchiorre> are they all closed?
[10:11] <farous_away> NKjoep: might try ot see what is using it lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[10:11] <NKjoep> yes they are
[10:11] <NKjoep> Melchiorre: they are all closed
[10:12] <Melchiorre> try doing what farous_away suggested 'lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat'
[10:12] <NKjoep> done... nothing returns
[10:13] <Melchiorre> hmmm
[10:13] <NKjoep> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:13] <NKjoep> _
[10:13] <Melchiorre> are you using adept, or command line?
[10:13] <NKjoep> same error with adept and command line
[10:14] <NKjoep> i tried before with adept... after i closed it... closed session... new sessione ... and tried from command line
[10:14] <NKjoep> but errors with "witalian" packet
[10:14] <NKjoep> and some others
[10:16] <Melchiorre> just out of curiosity, did you get the dialogue asking what dictionary to use by default?
[10:16] <NKjoep> yes it appears if i click on it... are you asking me if that dialog is working? :)
[10:18] <Melchiorre> I meant when you try to sudo apt-get install witalian does it come up, or does it error before it gets that far...
[10:19] <NKjoep> uhm.. after sudo apt-get install nothing comes up... just error in commandline
[10:20] <Melchiorre> hmmm, I'm stumped... anyone else got any ideas?
[10:20] <NKjoep> watching ksysguard... i'm seeing a process called kdesu_stub... using dpkg
[10:21] <Melchiorre> kill it
[10:21] <Melchiorre> not sure what it is, but it might help...
[10:22] <NKjoep> uhmm.. i'm thinking that's the language selection dialog that crushed
[10:22] <NKjoep> dialog isnt visible now... but it's freezed inside the s.o. :P
[10:23] <NKjoep> it says that i cant kill it... _ i'm have no sufficient rights
[10:24] <Melchiorre> get the process id out of ksysguard and type 'sudo kill ID' in a command line
[10:25] <NKjoep> done from root shell
[10:25] <NKjoep> :)
[10:25] <Melchiorre> :)
[10:25] <NKjoep> and what about now? :E
[10:26] <NKjoep> try again to do adp-get install witalian?
[10:26] <NKjoep> :d
[10:26] <Melchiorre> try installing witalian again
[10:26] <Melchiorre> yep
[10:26] <Nightsapper> well. . . I guess IM going to have to kill Dapper and install Redhat over it.  Sigh.
[10:26] <NKjoep> :(
[10:26] <Melchiorre> :O
[10:26] <NKjoep> why Nightsapper
[10:26] <Melchiorre> what would make you do that Nightsapper?
[10:26] <Nightsapper> no solution for me to show in the AM how to get the system tools to auto update simply over the autoproxy
[10:27] <farous_away> Nightsapper: if you mean fedora i will give you 20 min to come back to deb based distro :)
[10:27] <Nightsapper> Live CD doesnt have Firefox and I cannot get apt-get to find it.
[10:27] <NKjoep> uh? _
[10:27] <farous_away> Nightsapper: you are looking for firefox?
[10:27] <Healot> ubuntu liveCD
[10:27] <Healot> not kubuntu
[10:28] <Nightsapper> nope.  red hat.  as in paying for support. opuit of my budget.  meaning that one less bunchof gear I will get this year or else eliminate one headcount from our planned hires
[10:29] <Nightsapper> I installed off the liveCD Kubuntu.  and stuff I need is not there and apt-get and Adept are not getting out past the autoproxy (funny thing is that Konq does after setting the system proxy to look there)
[10:29] <Nightsapper> and my install at home was silky smooth.
[10:29] <Nightsapper> I hate corporate firewalls.
[10:29] <Nightsapper> 25 seats of rehate instead of 25 dappers.  grr.
[10:30] <Nightsapper> *redhat (redhate?  freudian)
[10:30] <Nightsapper> well, good day all.  At least I can still use it at home.
[10:30] <Nightsapper> :-/
[10:31] <Healot> no
[10:31] <Nightsapper> It didnt install on my PC with a small footprint install - I got the language settings and OOO
[10:32] <Healot> Ubuntu have firefox, kubuntu is left with konq
[10:32] <Nightsapper> LiveCD shoudl maybe consider NOT leaving that out.
[10:32] <Nightsapper> Firefox is pretty much a vital app to most folks.
[10:32] <Healot> they can't load GTK lib together...
[10:33] <farous_away> Healot: thats due to size limit on the cd ?
[10:33] <Nightsapper> true.  thats what I ran into when I DL'd Firefox from moz website - no gtk.  and htat led to one after another set of lib dependency hell.  I thought I was back in Windows95 terriroty again.
[10:33] <hybrid> lol
[10:34] <Healot> farous_away: guess?
[10:34] <Nightsapper> without an automated package tool, installing that kind of thing sucks.  If I coudl only figure outhow to get apt-get to work from behind a websense autoproxy.
[10:34] <farous_away> Nightsapper: if you are ok with opera i truley prefer it to both :)
[10:35] <farous_away> Nightsapper: nothing in kcontrol sorry have not been using kde for a while. and now i use it lightly
[10:35] <Seveas> %part
[10:35] <Nightsapper> Nope - we won our battle to get the company off of MSIE and onto Firefox.  At least in this department.  Next move is to get Linux as a standard desktop.  But thats looking to now be Redhat - and they lag the edge so badly its not funny.
[10:35] <NKjoep> uhm... there's no way to apt work behind a prox?
[10:35] <Nightsapper> it works find behind a static proxy
[10:36] <Nightsapper> but that requires some settings in /etc/apt/apt.conf - like username and password.  "Information Assurance" guys have a cow over that one.
[10:36] <NKjoep> _
[10:36] <Nightsapper> And it doesn't seem to handle dynamic proxy that well - autoproxy that deliver an .pac file.
[10:36] <NKjoep> :\
[10:36] <Nightsapper> restate - apt-get doenst handl that at all.
[10:37] <Nightsapper> Kinda like Kopete.  No real easy or intuitive way to set up proxying.
[10:37] <Nightsapper> thats why we went to GAIM.
[10:38] <Nightsapper> bascially to get any kind of proxy working I had to violate a lot of security.  And I cant do that on a regular basis.
[10:39] <NKjoep> uhm... yes
[10:39] <Healot> Nightsapper: which is more importante to you, work or play?
[10:40] <Nightsapper> putting usernames and unencrytped passwords in a config file in etc is not a good way to keep security, especially since they are proxy uer/pass - which also happen to be corporate user/pass.
[10:41] <farous_away> Nightsapper: first there is professional support for ubuntu too check the website. second i would try ubuntu room first debian room second before i give up
[10:41] <Nightsapper> equal - without work = no money.  Not much play there (been there done that in the tlelcom crash of 2000)
[10:42] <Healot> ?I heard the American telcos are cutting job, and giving new jobs to India?
[10:42] <Nightsapper> I'll give that a look.
[10:42] <Nightsapper> some are.  Ones doing security work arent.  Hard to get a security clearance over there
[10:42] <farous_away> Healot: i just been contacted by a call center located in egypt
[10:42] <farous_away> it is not only india now
[10:42] <farous_away> back in few min
[10:42] <Nightsapper> Veitnam, Phillipines China - all those are jumping in.
[10:43] <mystikfox> i'm getting an "unknown device" for my ethernet controller. where should i start if i want to fix that?
[10:43] <Healot> mystikfox: is it a 1Gbps nic?
[10:44] <mystikfox> it's a 10/100 i think...one of those cheep microsoft cards
[10:44] <mystikfox> but, i figure, it should still work
[10:44] <Healot> !hardware
[10:44] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:44] <Healot> see if the card is supported?
[10:44] <Healot> never heard of MS NIC before...
[10:44] <kent> !sofware
[10:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about sofware
[10:45] <NKjoep> hi again
[10:45] <Melchiorre> g'day!
[10:45] <kent> !hardware
[10:45] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:45] <kent> ha, it's a robot
[10:46] <Healot> yes
[10:46] <Healot> all along kent, where's barbie :)
[10:46] <mystikfox> it's not in the list, but that's a pretty short list
[10:46] <mystikfox> i figure it would support more than that
[10:46] <kent> barbie? what it  means?
[10:47] <Healot> mystikfox: that's about it
[10:47] <Nightsapper> Well good luck all.  I'm worn out trying all kinds of tricks to fool apt-get/adept into working with this damned autoproxy.
[10:48] <Healot> telnet to the router and turn it off
[10:48] <kane_> autoproxy ?
[10:48] <Nightsapper> .pac file
[10:48] <rus> hi all
[10:48] <Nightsapper> no direct proxy assignment.
[10:48] <Nightsapper> and it does change.
[10:48] <Nightsapper> so a static proxy assignment isnt an option.
[10:49] <Nightsapper> and I cannot put uernames and passwords inthe .conf file or environment, so thats a goner too. (security violation that out comp sec guys would gig me for)
[10:49] <weihello> hi, how to login with my name.
[10:50] <Nightsapper> well, laters.  time to try installing something else.
[10:50] <Nightsapper> Nighters - Remember the Infantry!  We bleed so you don't have to!
[10:50] <rus> could not find mime type application octet - getting this message all over
[10:50] <rus> what is it?
[10:51] <Schalken> im guessing it means it doesnt know how to open an 'octet' file
[10:51] <rus> whats an octet file?
[10:51] <Schalken> woudltn have a clue
[10:52] <farous> try this might fix it for you sudo update-mime-database /usr/share/mime/
[10:52] <Schalken> does kubuntu contain any gnome applications?
[10:53] <rus> hmm - is gaim a gnome app?
[10:53] <Schalken> it is
[10:53] <rus> yep
[10:54] <Schalken> does it have kopete as well as gaim?
[10:54] <rus> farous: it updated something
[10:54] <rus> yeah
[10:54] <farous> your installation script might have missed that
[10:54] <farous> is it working now
[10:55] <rus> yep
[10:55] <rus> thanx
[10:55] <farous> ur welcomed
[10:56] <NKjoep> shower time :P
[10:57] <rus> ooops
[10:58] <rus> it poped up again
[10:58] <rus> when i pushed browse for icon files in kde menu editor
[10:58] <Schalken> what does it say this time?\
[10:59] <rus> the same
[10:59] <rus> application octet thing
[10:59] <Schalken> humph
[10:59] <rus> when i close the browsing window
[11:00] <rus> and open it again - it doesnt come up anymore
[11:00] <hybrid> rus: which browser?
[11:04] <weihello> !ruby
[11:04] <ubotu> I know nothing about ruby
[11:04] <weihello> !emacs
[11:04] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), vi/vim (terminal-based), terminal based: vi/vim, emacs, nano (user-friendly). HTML/CSS editors: !html; Programming: !code
[11:04] <hybrid> weihello: what are you trying to do?
[11:05] <weihello> i want to configure emacs + ruby + rails
[11:05] <weihello> how to login in?
[11:05] <weihello> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[11:06] <emonkey> weihello, you've to register your nick on freenode to do that
[11:07] <weihello> thanks
[11:07] <rus> hybrid: not a browser a browsing window - for files
[11:09] <rus> since this popups dont repeat - ill wait and see if they stop appearing
[11:51] <driz> .sladshot
[11:52] <dsi> hi
[12:00] <Adam_eM> hi there
[12:01] <Adam_eM> my kde doesn't work smoothly when i enable composite
[12:02] <Adam_eM> i had enlightenment with many bells running smooth
[12:11] <mindspit> anyone knows how to add new fortunes cookies ? i need to create just the .dat files !
[12:14] <mindspit> ok i found it using  " #  strfile file_full_of_cookies file_full_of_cookies.dat
[12:14] <mindspit> thans anyway!
[12:15] <mindspit> i love asking questons here!
[12:15] <mindspit> i get the solution!
[12:15] <mindspit> this is just a coinsidence!
[12:15] <mindspit> so i have another question!
[12:15] <mindspit> i get an error during bootup
[12:16] <mindspit> this error says that my fat partitions are not the same with their backup!
[12:16] <mindspit> it gives me the chanse to fix the fs
[12:16] <mindspit> using control-d
[12:16] <mindspit> but i cannot do anything ... cause i dont know
[12:17] <mindspit> it says i must copy the backup to the original or the vise versa
[12:17] <mindspit> fsck.vfat /dev/hdd1
[12:17] <mindspit> using this command
[12:19] <driz> lol
[12:20] <driz> lmao
[12:20] <driz> mindspit: everyone is sleeping and i dont know how to help you
[12:20] <mindspit> hehe
[12:20] <mindspit> :)
[12:21] <mindspit> now  i get the question to copy the original to backup
[12:21] <mindspit> i answer yes
[12:21] <mindspit> but the same thing on the next reboot!
[12:21] <mindspit> anyway how do i disable this ?
[12:22] <mindspit> the fs check on start up!
[12:22] <driz> I have no idea man
[12:22] <driz> I'm a newb myself
[12:22] <mindspit> ok ...
[12:22] <mindspit> thanks anyway!
[12:22] <mindspit> i got to ask!
[12:22] <mindspit> :)
[12:24] <driz> #kde might be able to help you
[12:24] <mindspit> well if he can ... i will wait for him
[12:24] <mindspit> :)
[12:25] <driz> wow
[12:25] <driz> i got classes later man
[12:30] <insanekane> mindspit: i don't think you can disable it
[12:30] <insanekane> mindspit: it happens as part of the process of loading your filesystem
[12:30] <mindspit> anyway ... can i fix it ... atleast ?
[12:31] <insanekane> mindspit: i think your problem is not in the loading of the filesystem ... it has to do with the boot sector ?
[12:31] <mindspit> vim /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh ..........
[12:31] <mindspit> yes the boot sector
[12:31] <mindspit> thats it
[12:31] <insanekane> mindspit: i heard there is a fix for it, but i don't know the details ... ask pradeepto or Riddel
[12:31] <mindspit> it not the same with its backup
[12:31] <insanekane> yeah, it is supposed to be an off-by-one bug ... dunno the details ..
[12:32] <insanekane> pradeepto has done the fix ... Riddell also knows about it, i think
[12:32] <Riddell> mindspit: what's up?
[12:34] <mindspit> i heard you solved the problem with fs.vfat
[12:34] <mindspit> the system always propts for me to make fschk
[12:35] <mindspit> and i get the error (boot sector original/backup) on the next reboot
[12:35] <mindspit> boot sector original/backup are different
[12:36] <Riddell> mindspit: I don't think I've heard of that problem
[12:37] <mindspit> well i was told so! the thing is that that i want to disable the fschk on bootup
[12:37] <mindspit> vim /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh ??
[12:38] <JohnFlux> mindspit: you mean fsck
[12:38] <JohnFlux> ?
[12:38] <mindspit> yes
[12:38] <mindspit> fsck.vfat
[12:38] <mindspit> i get the error onlyu for my fat32 partition
[12:39] <JohnFlux> mindspit: edit /etc/fstab
[12:39] <JohnFlux> mindspit: the very last number is whether to fsck on boot
[12:39] <JohnFlux> mindspit: well rather it's whether to not fsck
[12:39] <mindspit> a .... ok
[12:40] <mindspit> it is 1
[12:40] <JohnFlux> mindspit: for the fat32 partition, set it to 1
[12:40] <JohnFlux> mindspit: it is 1??
[12:40] <mindspit> so if i do it 0 it will not check it
[12:40] <JohnFlux> oh wait
[12:40] <JohnFlux> mindspit: yeah sorry
[12:40] <mindspit> yes it is
[12:40] <JohnFlux> mindspit: set to 0
[12:40] <JohnFlux> mindspit: 0 means skip
[12:40] <JohnFlux> mindspit: it is now
[12:40] <mindspit> ok thank you!
[12:41] <mindspit> thanks again!
[12:42] <mindspit> i appreciate your help .... sory for asking specificly you... i was told so!
[12:42] <mindspit> :)
[12:42] <JohnFlux> mindspit: np
[12:42] <mindspit> sorry for the disterbace! and my bad english!
[12:42] <JohnFlux> :)
[12:42] <mindspit> its very hot in greece these dayys!
[12:42] <JohnFlux> it's hot in england too at the moment
[12:43] <JohnFlux> well not today
[12:43] <JohnFlux> but yesterday
[12:43] <mindspit> i get it
[12:43] <mindspit> i hope that all of us will go to the beach this sammer
[12:43] <mindspit> and leave begind the linux stuff just for a momment
[12:43] <mindspit> :)
[12:44] <JohnFlux> mindspit: are you coming to ireland?
[12:44] <mindspit> no from greece
[12:44] <mindspit> so i am leaving now ... huppy again ... as huppy a ubuntu user can be!... a lot !
[12:45] <mindspit> anyway have you ever played arround with ISPconfig ?
[12:46] <NKjoep> there's any pppoeconfig grafical tool? :E
[12:46] <mindspit> i want to dissable the "pass asking " on each reboot
[12:47] <mindspit> i get an question for my password on boot up by apachectl
[12:47] <mindspit> "password asking dialog" it says
[12:52] <Tommy2k4> *** GLIB >= 1.2.6 not installed - please install GLIB first ***
[12:52] <Tommy2k4> whats the package called for glib 1.2.6
[01:20] <exceswater> hi all
[01:20] <exceswater> :D
[01:25] <NKjoep> HI ALL!
[01:25] <NKjoep> :)
[01:27] <DRY|KISS> NKjoep: do you speak dutch?
[01:27] <NKjoep> no DRY|KISS ...
[01:27] <NKjoep> why?
[01:27] <DRY|KISS> i thought so from the joep in your name
[01:28] <NKjoep> k :=
[01:30] <Tommy2k4> kde does some weird things (i think its kde's fault)
[01:30] <Tommy2k4> like when i mouseover items on the k-menu or other menus such as file/view etc
[01:30] <Tommy2k4> instead of highlighting the item it all blue it sometimes is like a broken highlight
[01:30] <Tommy2k4> cant really explain it
[01:30] <Tommy2k4> oo it done it there lets see if the screeny worked
[01:32] <Tommy2k4> grr why didnt it take a screeny :(
[01:32] <insanekane> broken highlight ?
[01:33] <Tommy2k4> is it possible to take a screeny without ksnapshot
[01:33] <insanekane> Tommy2k4: not really
[01:33] <Music^Hound> what's the name for the kernel headers
[01:34] <Music^Hound> ?
[01:34] <Tommy2k4> wth
[01:34] <insanekane> Tommy2k4: try using Print Screen (it starts ksnapshot)
[01:34] <insanekane> Music^Hound: sudo apt-cache search kernel
[01:35] <Tommy2k4> then is it possible to take a screeny without clicking the new screenshot button in ksnapshot
[01:35] <Tommy2k4> cos if i click that button i cant get the k-menu u
[01:35] <Tommy2k4> up*
[01:35] <insanekane> Tommy2k4: well, use the "Print Screen" button on the keyboard ... it starts ksnapshot which takes the snapshot when you pressed the button
[01:37] <Tommy2k4> ksnapshot is dumb
[01:37] <Tommy2k4> but i managed to get what i need
[01:38] <gioacchino> hello I am italian
[01:38] <gioacchino> &nick Gioacchino
[01:38] <omega> Why is ksnapshot dumb?
[01:39] <Tommy2k4> its impossible to get a screeny of k-menu
[01:39] <Tommy2k4> or so it seems
[01:39] <omega> Use a delay.
[01:43] <Tommy2k4> kubuntu crashed :s
[01:43] <Tommy2k4> again :@
[01:44] <Tommy2k4> lots of vertical multicolored lines for a few seconds, then monitor gives the error "attention - 31K / 0Hz - frequency is out of range"
[01:46] <Tommy2k4> like the 6th time its happened now
[01:46] <Tommy2k4> the past 2 were when taking a screeny, not sure bout the other times
[01:47] <Music^Hound> hmmm can't seem to get the proper linux headers for my kernel
[01:47] <omega> Sounds like your x server hasn't been configurated properly. Did you make sure to set the correct refresh rates for your monitor?
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> Which kernel are you running ?
[01:47] <omega> (horizontal and vertical)
[01:48] <Music^Hound> 2.6.15-23-386
[01:48] <Tommy2k4> pretty sure i did
[01:48] <SeanTater> Tommy2k4: next time try doing CTRL-ALT-F6 and see of a terminal comes up, it will help to see if it's X or the video card. Then do CTRL-ALT-F6 to get back to the windows environment you are used to, even though it's broken.
[01:48] <SeanTater> Tommy2k4: oops, windowed, not windows
[01:49] <Tommy2k4> ctrl alt f6 didnt come back to windowed
[01:49] <Tommy2k4> ctrl alt f7 did though
[01:49] <Tommy2k4> when i tried it there
[01:50] <Tommy2k4> hm
[01:51] <Tommy2k4> im sure this xorg.conf is different to when i edited it
[01:52] <Music^Hound> what kernel should I use on a amd athlon xp 2000+ ?
[01:52] <Tommy2k4> yea its different to the xorg.conf~
[01:52] <weihello> K&
[01:52] <weihello> K7
[01:53] <Music^Hound> linux-k7 so use this one ?
[01:54] <weihello> i think so.
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> install linux-headers-k7 and linux-image-k7 and linux-restricted-modules-k7
[01:54] <Music^Hound> ok
[01:55] <h3sp4wn> Check that there is a symlink from /usr/src/linux to the right headers
[01:56] <Music^Hound> how do I do that ?
[01:56] <weihello> if u use AMD chipset, update your kernel with k7
[01:56] <weihello> sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[01:57] <weihello> your computer is also 386 arch
[01:58] <Music^Hound> brb going to reboot
[02:00] <Raito> Starcraft on Wine works fine, except there is no sound. I also have sound problems with every other non-KDE app (which means I have sound problems with everything except kaffeine) Can anyone help me?
[02:02] <radone> i have configured firewall (guarddog) and after that I noticed that klog takes 99% of CPU
[02:02] <radone> And after disabling firewall it is still takes this amount of CPU resources.
[02:02] <radone> Please could anyone help me where the problem could be?
[02:07] <Pupeno_> Hello.
[02:08] <Raito> Raito: Are there any packages I need to have so that I don't have problems with non-KDE sound?
[02:24] <Jack1> hi, can someone help?
[02:24] <Jack1> i got a new lappie and want to transfer my kubuntu partitons to it with an live cd( windows already being on it)
[02:24] <Jack1> how would i do that?
[02:25] <visik7> dd ?
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> You would be better off just backing up the data then installing kubuntu and restoring your preferences (I think)
[02:26] <ZomMes> what do u guys suggest for a music player?
[02:26] <Jack1> there is an easier way i am sure..besides i configured so much...
[02:26] <emonkey> amaroK
[02:26] <ZomMes> (with kubuntu)
[02:26] <ZomMes> ok
[02:26] <h3sp4wn> dpkg-query -W (will give you a list of your installed packages)
[02:26] <ZomMes> and for video..? VLC?
[02:26] <Jack1> thats good yes
[02:27] <emonkey> ZomMes, I use VLC yes
[02:27] <Jack1> doesnt get you in so much codec-trouble
[02:27] <emonkey> jep
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: If you backup /home and /etc
[02:27] <ZomMes> thanks
[02:27] <Jack1> ok h3sp4wn
[02:27] <Jack1> how to mount it ?
[02:28] <Jack1> gparted?
[02:28] <ZomMes> what about xmms?
[02:28] <ZomMes> does it have a library?
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: How is it connected ?
[02:29] <Jack1> i would need to get an external harddrive
[02:29] <DeadS0ul> dappr feels so weird now, everytime i run apt-get upgrade * i only have about 2-3 updates if I'm lucky
[02:29] <Jack1> just one optical drive
[02:30] <Jack1> so no way live-cd and a dvd at same time
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: Can you get use a network connection on the old laptop ?
[02:30] <Jack1> maybe i could install a network between the two computers
[02:30] <Jack1> yes
[02:31] <Jack1> via samba?
[02:31] <Jack1> havent done that yet
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> You can just use scp and copy thru ssh
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> backup using tar
[02:31] <Jack1> could i use that cat 5 internet cable or buy like in windows the special cable
[02:32] <Jack1> with the crossd wires
[02:32] <ZomMes> how do I remove my scanned collection and make a new one, with amaroK?
[02:33] <ZomMes> sorry, already found it
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: Can you burn cd's on the old laptop ?
[02:33] <Jack1> but if i do that h3sp4wn how would i install grub and the dualboot thing?
[02:33] <Jack1> yes i can
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> That will be done automatically by the installer (does windows take up the whole disk at the moment)
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> kgparted should be able to resize the partition
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> (if necessary) - The installer will install grub automatically
[02:36] <Jack1> but burning to cd of the os is no use right because the only optical drive would be used by the livecd
[02:36] <Raito> How do you download other sound drivers? I think that is my problem. I need ALSA and OSS
[02:36] <Jack1> so i need usb or network right?
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: I would just install it normally (check the packages that you have installed install them) then restore /home (which I would backup to cd which could be used after the installation)
[02:37] <xst> After upgrading to dapper my firefox has begun freeze quite often. I think it might have something to do with flash usage cause e.g. youtube.com freezes very often, while non-flash sites have less potential to freeze. Has anyone experienced the same increase in freezes? And how do I fix it?
[02:38] <geekoe> hi, I'm missing /lib/iptables/ip6t_REJECT.so in the iptables package... is it missing for security reasons? I don't want to compile the iptables package for myself, as I don't want to compile it new when an update gets out
[02:38] <Jack1> are in home preferences like kicker, menus, applets stored too?
[02:39] <Jack1> bTW my partitioning was so neat..now i'd need do all again
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: tar czf /tmp/home-backup.tar.gz /home/ (That gives you one file with the whole of /home in it) those preferances will be in /home/yourusername/.kde
[02:40] <Jack1> ok
[02:40] <Jack1> thanky u much
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> Then you could burn that to cd and extract it on the new computer (or use a network)
[02:42] <Raito> How do you download other sound drivers? I think that is my problem. I need ALSA and OSS. (I got libsdl1.2debian-all) But that doesn't seem to work (i had it all along) Do I need to do anything to set it up?
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> alsa and oss is in main you shouldn't need to do anything to set it u[
[02:44] <Raito> h3sp4wn: would there be another reason why I have problems with all non-KDE sound?
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> Raito: What problems ?
[02:44] <Jack1> what is ideal in partitioning? doing it right now.. /, /home, swap?
[02:44] <Jack1> or swap right after /?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Jack1: yeah, a separate /home partition
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: I usually have /boot first
[02:44] <Hobbsee> swap at the end, usually
[02:45] <Jack1> so /1., then /home 2., then swap 3.? all on an extended partition?, yes boot causes probs sometimes
[02:46] <Jack1> then /usr 4. , /var 5.?
[02:46] <Raito> h3sp4wn: No sound in Starcraft (wine) and XMame, also with supertux and zsnes sometimes the sound is super loud and unaffected by kmix, other times extreemly quiet and also unaffected by kmix and sometimes it is affected by kmix but zsnes' sound is extreemly fuzzy then.
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: I would have about 100mb /boot, / about half the space /home the other half (except save about twice your ram for swap)
[02:48] <Jack1> but the order was right yeah?
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> Raito: I disable artsd (because the kde sounds just irritate me) use alsamixer or envy24control to set volume
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> Ratio: Try setting the sound in zsnes to 44.1k (from 32.xk)
[02:49] <Raito> h3sp4wn: same problems with alsamixer, how do you disable artsd? might help, (but would kaffeine still work then?)
[02:49] <Chameleon22> i want to use a local imap server as an email backup storage - can anyone suggest pkgs i need for ubuntu server to set it up (to avoid googling like crazzy) plz...
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Everything will work except you won't get the kde sounds (amarok / kaffeine will be fine)
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Sounds and Multimedia -> sound system then untick enable the soundsystem
[02:50] <Raito> ok
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Any reason why you use xmame over advancemame ?
[02:51] <Raito> h3sp4wn: never heard of advancemame
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Its based on mame but alot easier to compile (and the dapper mame is quite out of date now) config files are easier to understand as well
[02:53] <dutch> morning
[02:54] <Raito> h3sp4wn: did you say anything? I might have not gotten it. Anyways even if I disable artsd I still have the same problems what should I do>
[02:54] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Have you done that ?
[02:54] <Raito> h3sp4wn: I disabled artsd
[02:55] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Have you reconfigured zsnes to use 44100 instead of 33200 ?
[02:55] <Raito> Ah, I'll try that
[02:56] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Its in the sound setup section (I know my card doesn't like 32000 without sounding terrible) are you using the WIP build of zsnes or the really old version in dapper (SDL support has improved tremendously since 1.42 was released)
[02:57] <Raito> h3sp4wn: using 1.42 (dapper package) and when I put it to 44100 it is extreemly fuzzy
[02:57] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Did you restart zsnes after changing it ?
[02:57] <weihello> can starcraft run with wine support?
[02:57] <Raito> yes
[02:58] <weihello> i should have win system?
[02:58] <h3sp4wn> Raito: Try http://files.ipherswipsite.com/zsnes/ZSNESS_0527.tar.bz2 (remove the dapper package) if you need any help compiling it I will help you
[02:58] <Jack1> what actually means bootflag on /off?
[02:59] <Jack1> should i turn all off?
[02:59] <weihello> i got message : wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\startcraft.exe": Module not found
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: It doesn't make any difference if grub is in the mbr (If you are using /boot make that partition active) I don't think you need partitions for /var or /usr
[02:59] <Raito> h3sp4wn: no thanks, I tried compiling zsnes, it was tough, I think I should try to fix up sound because I have sound problems with every non-KDE app. Someone said somethin about ALSA settings
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> Raito: I can tell you the packages you need to compile it (zsnes and xmame are not really representative applications to use - especially as zsnes is mainly x86 assembler)
[03:01] <h3sp4wn> Reito: With artsd disabled alsamixer should function properly
[03:02] <h3sp4wn> Reito: Play something in amarok or kaffine (and look to see whether it is clipping (going into the red))
[03:02] <Jack1> should i use primary for /boot and then logical or better start with logical for all partitions?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Jack1: i dont think it matters, does it?
[03:02] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: I would make boot primary anything else could be logical (don't think it matters though)
[03:03] <Jack1> ok
[03:03] <Raito> h3spa4wn: I had Kubuntu on my old comp and didn't have the same problem, I used package zsnes too. I also have problems with wine and supertux. I'll try alsamixer now
[03:04] <Raito> h3sp4wn: hmm same problems, but how come sound doesn't work with wine (starcraft)
[03:07] <monkkey> hi guys,, i have installed a new hard drive on my dual boot sys, format with fat 32. windows reads/writes fine, ubuntu will no longer boot, mounting filesys and then waiting for file sys, boots no further
[03:07] <monkkey> help
[03:08] <Jack1> i have limited transfer in dsl-comtract, so id like to avoid doenloading much again. can i just copy the /var /usr folders and paste it in the fresh OS?they were on seperate partitions before
[03:12] <omega> If I insert a game DVD or movie DVD disc, an icon appears on my desktop, but when I click it, I get an error about a malformed URL. What's wrong? (the path in konqueror is media:/hdc)
[03:12] <bam_> anyone know where I can get libxine-extracodecs
[03:12] <omega> bam_: You need to enable some extra repositories.
[03:13] <bam_> I did that already, doesnt exist..
[03:13] <omega> Did you fetch updates?
[03:13] <bam_> indeed I did
[03:14] <omega> Are you sure you enabled the proper repositories and clicked apply after you edited the lines?
[03:14] <bam_> lemme double check
[03:14] <omega> All I did was add two extra words after the current repositories.
[03:15] <omega> I added "universe multiverse" after "main restricted"
[03:15] <bam_> lemme try that....
[03:15] <omega> Make sure to click apply after changing the lines as adept doesn't save the list untill you click apply.
[03:16] <omega> (Which means you can close the view thinking the file is automatically saved and it actually isn't. yay, adept!)
[03:16] <bam_> nope it isnt there
[03:16] <omega> Not even after adding universe and multiverse?
[03:17] <DRY|KISS> how am i supposed to install pcsx on kubuntu?
[03:17] <bam_> yup even after that
[03:17] <DRY|KISS> i do apt-get install pcsx
[03:17] <DRY|KISS> it installs it
[03:17] <omega> Let me make a screenshot for you bam_
[03:17] <bam_> sure
[03:17] <DRY|KISS> but it needs the command "lndir"
[03:17] <omega> You will have to change the tld in front of the URLs of course.
[03:17] <DRY|KISS> i don't have that
[03:18] <Pupeno> Any ideas how to turn a color pdf into a grayscale one ?
[03:19] <omega> bam_: http://omeow.ath.cx/adept.png
[03:19] <DRY|KISS> i downloaded lndir from fsf
[03:19] <DRY|KISS> but i noticed that when i do ./configure
[03:19] <DRY|KISS> it says /bin/sh invalid interpreter
[03:19] <Hobbsee> surely that should read /bin/bash?
[03:20] <ArmedGeek> /bin/sh is standard
[03:20] <DRY|KISS> a configure file always uses sh
[03:20] <omega> bam_:  nl should be like us or something for you.
[03:20] <bam_> omega, running dapper...I am running breezy
[03:20] <gnomefreak> in a bash script either _should_ work
[03:20] <omega> Oh, sorry, I didn't know that. :)
[03:20] <omega> Shouldn't it be the same though?
[03:20] <DRY|KISS> wait i'll try to change it...
[03:20] <ArmedGeek> DRY|KISS: your problem is probably related to incorrect (windows) line endings
[03:20] <bam_> it should
[03:20] <omega> universe and multiverse exist for breezy to, right?
[03:20] <gnomefreak> omega: yes
[03:20] <bam_> yes
[03:21] <omega> *too
[03:21] <gnomefreak> different packages
[03:21] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ah
[03:22] <ArmedGeek> Hobbsee: on most linux system /bin/sh is a symlink to bash  /bin/sh is the standard interpreter line for shell scripts
[03:22] <Hobbsee> right
[03:22] <omega> bam_: I don't know if the package exists for breezy. It most probably does though.
[03:22] <gnomefreak> i think you can also use !#/bin/bash env i dont htink env is python only
[03:23] <DRY|KISS> now it says /bin/bash bad interpreter
[03:23] <ArmedGeek> DRY|KISS: your problem is probably related to incorrect (windows) line endings
[03:23] <DRY|KISS> sec
[03:23] <DRY|KISS> i'll see
[03:23] <gnomefreak> DRY|KISS: are you using !# infront of it?
[03:24] <systest> Aspell is installed, but I don't have spell check options in evolution prefs.  Any suggestions to what the issue may be?
[03:24] <DRY|KISS> #! yes
[03:24] <gnomefreak> that one yeah
[03:24] <DRY|KISS> i'm not using anything actually, i downloaded lndir from the FSF directory
[03:25] <gnomefreak> DRY|KISS: are you getting that error while chmoding it
[03:25] <DRY|KISS> i chmodded it +x
[03:25] <rus> is there a problem with burning audio on a cdrw?
[03:25] <ArmedGeek> DRY|KISS: your problem is probably related to incorrect (windows) line endings
[03:25] <omega> rus:  if you mean mp3, I believe you need an extra package for that to make k3b support mp3
[03:25] <ArmedGeek> ...
[03:26] <om_> i have libvisual and the plugins installed but amarok says that i don't...
[03:27] <rus> omega: no an audio cd
[03:27] <om_> i think maybe i have version 0.2 and amarok requires 0.4? but Adept doesn't have v0.4 even with universe and multiverse
[03:27] <omega> rus: What exactly happens?
[03:27] <rus> wrote an audio cd from a cue/bin image
[03:28] <bam_> how odd, anyone have the package by chance?
[03:28] <rus> no music- just horrifiing sounds
[03:28] <omega> Not sure what's wrong then. Sorry.
[03:28] <DRY|KISS> ArmedGeek... i don't think that is it because i just checked and ALL shell scripts stopped working except when they're in the /usr/bin directory
[03:28] <omega> Sounds like you wrote a datadisc though.
[03:28] <rus> with arson
[03:28] <omega> That usually happens when you insert a datadisc in a cdplayer.
[03:28] <DRY|KISS> weird...
[03:28] <rus> k3b didnt recognise the image
[03:28] <Jack1> ho
[03:29] <Jack1> hi
[03:29] <omega> Maybe the image is faulty?
[03:29] <rus> thats what i thought
[03:29] <Jack1> so is /boot, /
[03:29] <rus> but there is no general problem with writing audio on a cdRW is there?
[03:30] <ivan> #asp
[03:30] <Jack1> so /1., then /home 2., then swap 3.?the order is right?
[03:30] <rus> faulty image - dunno - doesnt seem like it
[03:30] <Jack1> h3sp4wn?
[03:31] <DRY|KISS> ok i have a problem...
[03:31] <DRY|KISS> no script will run outside the /usr/bin directory :s
[03:32] <Jack1> hello?
[03:32] <ArmedGeek> DRY|KISS: try sh ./scriptname
[03:32] <Jack1> swap after or before home?
[03:32] <Jack1> in partitioning?
[03:33] <systest> DRY|KISS: please clarify "will not run"  do you get an error, not found, what?
[03:33] <rus> omega:but there is no general problem with writing audio on a cdRW is there?
[03:34] <DRY|KISS> when i run a script, any script i get: ./configure: ./config.status: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[03:34] <omega> rus: Not that I know of no. I haven't burned an audio CD for ages though, mind you.
[03:34] <Jack1> hello
[03:34] <DRY|KISS> when i run sh ./configure
[03:34] <Jack1> where is swap?
[03:34] <DRY|KISS> it runs configure
[03:34] <Jack1> BEFORE HOME OR AFTER?
[03:34] <DRY|KISS> but not ./configure.status
[03:34] <rus> k will give another try
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Jack1: swap at the end
[03:35] <Jack1> Hobbsee it doesnt accept it when i manually write swap there it then complains i didnt specify the swap space
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Jack1: hmm...weird
[03:36] <Jack1> shall i just write there mount point none and leave it umounted?
[03:36] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: im thinking he didnt create the swap partition
[03:36] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: quite possibly
[03:36] <DRY|KISS> Hobbsee: i'm still waiting for the quote to be accepted
[03:36] <Hobbsee> DRY|KISS: hehe
[03:36] <DRY|KISS> :p
[03:36] <systest> DRY|KISS: 1st line of that script is #!/bin/sh?  and it DOES have exec perms?
[03:37] <linuxmonkey> or that its corrupt and he should delete it and recreate it
[03:39] <mb2006> Question: Anybody know how to get mp3 playback in kubuntu?
[03:40] <bam_> thats what I am working on too
[03:40] <systest> mb2006: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[03:40] <bam_> no libxine-*
[03:40] <mb2006> Got some progress: The mp3 players freeze when trying to play mp3's now, as opposed to pretending to play them :-/
[03:41] <Jack1> hobbsee did u write manually swap there or was it as option showed?
[03:41] <Jack1> in the partioning menu?
[03:41] <DRY|KISS> systest: yes else it wouldn't evenexecute would it?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Jack1: you can autopartition, or you can write it manually, and assign it as swap
[03:43] <mb2006> Hmm. got libxine-extracodecs installed. Still freezing...
[03:45] <Jack1> has swap a mountpoint? Hobbsee
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Jack1: no, swap is shown as a file type - like ext3
[03:45] <Jack1> if i write there swap area or /swap it says later you have not selected any partitions for swap...
[03:46] <Hobbsee> what's the file type of the swap partition you're trying to create?
[03:46] <Jack1> but it doesnt allow me to write it down without /
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> install libxine-extracodecs (from multiverse)
[03:46] <Jack1> swap area
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Jack1: try deleting all the partitions you've just created, and create a /, a /home, and a swap - just them
[03:46] <Jack1> its weird
[03:46] <mb2006> h3sp4wn: Done that. Still freezing :-(
[03:47] <linuxmonkey> what program are you using to play them mb2006
[03:47] <mb2006> Tried Amarok, juk, caffeine - all freezing
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> What soundcard ?
[03:48] <mb2006> Soundcard is fine. Got audio with kde. mpg321 works fine.
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> Some somecards don't work well with artsd (i.e mine)
[03:49] <mb2006> sony viao laptop. One of the new ones. Dunno the soundcard yet. Wait a mo.
[03:49] <h3sp4wn> The ultraportable ones ? (I would quite like one of those - had one before)
[03:50] <mb2006> No. Big dual-core monster :-/
[03:50] <mb2006> Sold my powerbook 12" to get this. Didn't like linux with non-i386 chipset
[03:51] <mb2006> intel 82801G audio chipset
[03:51] <freqmod> Hello, how do i raise the maximum limit of open files?
[03:51] <Tommy2k4> do i need klipper open to copy/paste stuff
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Tommy2k4: no
[03:52] <linuxmonkey> mb2006:  try this it cant hurt, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-pitfdll libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs
[03:52] <freqmod> Tommy2k4: only when you want to have more than one clipboard or copy things from closed programs
[03:53] <mb2006> Off we go with gnome stuff :-s
[03:53] <Tommy2k4> k
[03:53] <Tommy2k4> how come opera and xmms have small tray icons, kopete and klipper have large ones
[03:53] <linuxmonkey> :)
[03:53] <Tommy2k4> i wanna make them all large
[03:53] <Tommy2k4> if possible
[03:54] <mb2006> linuxmonkey: Cheers :-) Saved me having to write my own frontend for mpg123
[03:54] <linuxmonkey> it worked?
[03:55] <linuxmonkey> sweet deal, I knew it worked for me and used to be on the old restrictedformats page but got removed for some reason
[03:56] <mb2006> Next step is the latest nvidia drivers and smp kernel
[03:57] <linuxmonkey> my next set is to install mysql
[03:57] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:57] <h3sp4wn> The normal kernel supports smp (The server one maybe has proper smp)
[03:58] <mb2006> mysql isn't bad. Try installing it in slackware. The docs miss out one small, but vital step. Namely permissions of a directory or file (can't remember now)
[03:58] <linuxmonkey> yeah ive been through that
[03:58] <linuxmonkey> mysql i find is easy
[03:58] <mb2006> Question. Anybody know how to get airport express speakers working with kubuntu?
[03:58] <h3sp4wn> mb2006 / linuxmonkey: Where can you change which ip address it binds to ?
[03:59] <linuxmonkey> whats nice you can use mysql with amarok to build your  collection
[03:59] <mb2006> Preferrably as a remote audio device?
[03:59] <mb2006> h3sp4wn: Off the top of my head, no. But I'll peruse my mysql book in a mo...
[03:59] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: I have tried setting it in my.cny but it doesn't seem to be respected on ubuntu
[04:01] <mb2006> h3sp4wn: Surely that's to do with your network interface / router config?
[04:02] <h3sp4wn> mb2006: I don't want it to bind on localhost (I have over virtual machines running on the box)
[04:02] <h3sp4wn> mb2006: other sorry
[04:02] <mb2006> You'll be binding it to an interface? You can select eth0 eth1 lo etc? I really must read up on it...
[04:03] <Tommy2k4> kubuntu crashed AGAIN
[04:03] <h3sp4wn> mb2006: I have aliases on eth0
[04:04] <Tommy2k4> it happens when i take a screenshot (but not every time, like 1/100 chance)
[04:04] <mb2006> reading mysql book...
[04:04] <Tommy2k4> monitor shows lots of multicolored vertical lines for a few seconds then gives the error "31K / 0Hz - frequency out of range"
[04:05] <mb2006> Tommy2k4: gfx card dying???
[04:05] <Tommy2k4> integrated
[04:06] <mb2006> Tommy2k4: laptop? if so, then expensive...
[04:06] <Tommy2k4> someone suggested that next time it happened i should try ctrl + alt + f6 to see if it switched to console mode or whatever it was
[04:06] <Tommy2k4> notech, pc
[04:06] <Tommy2k4> oops mb2006 pc
[04:06] <Tommy2k4> when i tryd ctrl alt f6 it didnt go to console mode
[04:07] <mb2006> I'd advise trying a friends gfx card in your agp slot.
[04:07] <Tommy2k4> ive never had this problem in windows =/
[04:07] <Tommy2k4> and it only seems to happen when i take a screeny
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> mb2006: I had named my.cnf my.cny for some reason I should be able to sort it now
[04:07] <mb2006> Tommy2k4: Top tip - don't take a screenshot
[04:07] <mb2006> h3sp4wn: hehe
[04:08] <Tommy2k4> yea i kde keeps doing this weird thing that i wanna show ppl
[04:08] <mb2006> brb...
[04:09] <mb2006> What program are you using for screenshots?
[04:09] <Tommy2k4> ksnapshot
[04:09] <Tommy2k4> i wish i didnt have to
[04:10] <Tommy2k4> id rather have screenshots the way windows does it
[04:10] <linuxmonkey> use gimp :)
[04:10] <mb2006> Tommy2k4: linuxmonkey is right - use gimp :)
[04:10] <Tommy2k4> kk
[04:11] <Tommy2k4> ksnapshot cant take screenys of the k-menu :(
[04:11] <mb2006> Back to my original question. Anybody got airtunes speakers working with kubuntu/ubuntu/[hell any old linux distro] ?
[04:11] <Tommy2k4> without using the delay anyway, which isnt ideal because the error im trying to screeny doesnt happen all the time
[04:11] <linuxmonkey> take a whole screenshot of screen and delete rest in gimp\
[04:11] <mb2006> Tommy2k4: Are you sure that you can't set a hotkey for screenshots?
[04:12] <ajayc> how do install grub from livecd?
[04:12] <Tommy2k4> how would i do that?
[04:12] <ajayc> when i do grub-install /dev/sda it says cant find block
[04:12] <|lostbyte|> Tommy2k4, who said..
[04:12] <mb2006> Dunno. I've not looked at ksnapshot. Try configuring it.
[04:12] <h3sp4wn> ajayc: try grub-install hd0
[04:12] <Tommy2k4> who said what?
[04:13] <ajayc> h3sp4wn: same thing no block
[04:13] <|lostbyte|> Tommy2k4, open up konsole, and type in "import kmenu.jpg" (the mouse will change) then simply hit alt+f1 and click on that menu..
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> can you get into the grub command line (just by running grub) - I think there is a script called install-grub or something in the busybox
[04:13] <Hobbsee> mb2006: print screen?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: grub-install?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hmm
[04:14] <ajayc> h3sp4wn: ok
[04:14] <Hobbsee> !grub
[04:14] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:14] <mb2006> Hobbsee: works with mine
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: In the busybox image on the install cd there is a script which debian-installer uses to install grub
[04:14] <Hobbsee> true
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: So have I
[04:15] <Tommy2k4> |lostbyte|, whatever is meant to happen when i do that doesnt seem to be
[04:15] <v3ctor> you can do cmd line screenshots
[04:15] <mb2006> Tommy2k4: Just press the print screen button when you have the error/bug.
[04:15] <Tommy2k4> is ksnapshot meant to open when i press print screen
[04:16] <mb2006> Yes.
[04:16] <Tommy2k4> well it doesnt
[04:16] <Tommy2k4> not if i have k-menu open anyway
[04:16] <Tommy2k4> any other time it will
[04:16] <|lostbyte|> Tommy2k4, huh ?
[04:16] <v3ctor> you can use cmd line screenshot cmd in hotkey
[04:16] <Tommy2k4> the problem is that kde, when i mouseover items like on a menu, sometimes gives like a broken highlight (cant really explain it)
[04:17] <Tommy2k4> maybe i could draw what happens
[04:17] <mb2006> |lostbyte|: He's right. Hotkey doesn't work when a menu is activated!
[04:17] <mb2006> Hmm. Maybe the gimp?
[04:17] <mb2006> Maybe a digital camera?
[04:17] <v3ctor> url for import(snapshot) cmd file:///usr/share/doc/imagemagick/www/import.html
[04:18] <|lostbyte|> mb2006, i know ! but what i told him was the other way.. ^^
[04:18] <|lostbyte|> Tommy2k4, Broken highlight ? do you have an image..
[04:18] <Tommy2k4> nope cos it wont let me screenshot >_<
[04:18] <Tommy2k4> i shall try and draw what happens
[04:19] <ajayc> !grub
[04:19] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:20] <v3ctor> import -window root screenshot.png
[04:20] <nomore> what should i do when xmms segemnt faults ?
[04:23] <gioacchino> helo
[04:23] <gioacchino> I have a problem
[04:23] <gioacchino> I am italian
[04:23] <gioacchino> my problem is
[04:23] <mb2006> gioacchino: that's a problem :)
[04:23] <gioacchino> the compiler gcc
[04:23] <|lostbyte|> :P
[04:24] <gioacchino> I had install kubuntu but isn-t the compiler gcc
[04:24] <Hobbsee> gioacchino: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:24] <Hobbsee> gioacchino: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[04:25] <gioacchino> thank/s!!!
[04:25] <Tommy2k4> k i tried to draw a pic of what happens
[04:26] <Tommy2k4> yey nvm i fluked a screeny using ksnapshot delay
[04:26] <gioacchino> root@gioacchino-desktop:/# sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:26] <gioacchino> Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto
[04:26] <gioacchino> Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso... Fatto
[04:26] <gioacchino> E: Impossibile trovare build-essential
[04:26] <DarkRavenMixage> how to i install .package file in kubuntu??????????
[04:27] <Tommy2k4> http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9520/screeny1zr.png
[04:27] <Tommy2k4> there
[04:27] <Tommy2k4> why does that sometimes happen when highlighting menu items
[04:27] <gatekeeper> DarkRavenMixage: apt-get install package or use synaptic
[04:27] <Jack1> hobbsee when i have burnt my home folder to cd, do i have just to copy and paste it to the home folder of the new kubuntu installation?
[04:28] <Tommy2k4> its not always exactly that sometimes the gaps are bigger
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Jack1: yes....but there's a few files you need to remove first
[04:28] <gioacchino> root@gioacchino-desktop:/# apt-get install
[04:28] <gioacchino> Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto
[04:28] <gioacchino> Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso... Fatto
[04:28] <gioacchino> 0 aggiornati, 0 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 0 non aggiornati.
[04:28] <omega> That doesn't look good, Tommy2k4. :)
[04:29] <Jack1> Hobbsee which ones and where in the old or new folder?
[04:29] <Tommy2k4> :'(
[04:29] <omega> Are you sure your xorg is configured properly?
[04:29] <Tommy2k4> nope
[04:29] <linuxmonkey> weeee installing bind on a server is always fun :)
[04:29] <Tommy2k4> the xorg.conf is different to the backup (xorg.conf~)
[04:29] <om_> i want KMix to start when kubuntu starts... how do i do this?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Jack1: .ICEauthority, .Xauthority, .DCOP*, .kde/*-user
[04:29] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: Are you building it from source ?
[04:29] <Tommy2k4> i once edited xorg.conf to add an extra screen resolution, and the file looked like the backup i have now
[04:29] <gioacchino> [16:28]  <omega> Are you sure your xorg is configured properly no...
[04:29] <Tommy2k4> so what could of changed it
[04:30] <Hobbsee> om_: leave it open when you log out?  if you've got sessions saved it
[04:30] <Hobbsee> -it
[04:30] <om_> Hobbsee- and if i don't?
[04:30] <omega> Hang on, Tommy2k4, trying to figure out what the command was to make the setup thing pop-up again.
[04:30] <linuxmonkey> luckly im not im trying this how-to
[04:30] <gatekeeper> om_ leave it running when you log out, kde remembers apps that where running when you log out
[04:30] <Hobbsee> om_: symlink into ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:30] <om_> thanks Hobbsee!
[04:31] <omega> Tommy2k4: Try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:32] <omega> (as root)
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: I built some dns servers for a reasonably big isp (Had it running under jail on freebsd but vserver on linux would be similar) and fixed the dns build scripts to work with bind9
[04:32] <gioacchino> help
[04:32] <gioacchino> help me!
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: If you build it statically you only need /dev/null in the /dev of the chroot
[04:32] <gioacchino> how to install gcc?
[04:33] <psb154> help..... me......
[04:33] <DaSkreech> !tell gioacchino about b-e
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> sudo aptitude install build-essential
[04:33] <DaSkreech> psb154: Sup?
[04:33] <psb154> nuffin just taking the pee out of gioacchino :-)
[04:33] <Tommy2k4> how much memory should i give to my integrated gfx
[04:33] <Tommy2k4> i only have 256mb ram
[04:34] <mb2006> Tommy2k4: That should be just enough :-)
[04:34] <gatekeeper> gioacchino have you got synaptic installed
[04:34] <Tommy2k4> so how much should i give to gfx
[04:35] <Tommy2k4> this xserver setup is asking me
[04:35] <omega> Do you know how much memory your graphics card has?
[04:35] <omega> (I believe you can leave it empty too)
[04:35] <Tommy2k4> nope its integrated intel810
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> It should be autodetected (just leave it blank()
[04:35] <Tommy2k4> ok
[04:35] <mb2006> Tommy2k4: You should give it the amount of memory that your card has. If it's a 64mb then you can give it 64
[04:36] <Tommy2k4> should i use kernel framebuffer device interface
[04:36] <mb2006> Anybody know where the rendezvous utils reside?
[04:36] <h3sp4wn> Yes unless you get problems
[04:37] <mb2006> Need to get justeporte installed & working
[04:37] <h3sp4wn> Is it for talkd ?
[04:37] <mb2006> h3sp4wn: airport express speakers & music :)
[04:38] <DaSkreech> gatekeeper: Should he?
[04:38] <gioacchino> root@gioacchino-desktop:/# sudo aptitude install build-essential
[04:38] <gioacchino> Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto
[04:39] <gioacchino> Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso... Fatto
[04:39] <gioacchino> Initializing package states... Fatto
[04:39] <h3sp4wn> mb2006: Install linux onto the airport expresss (that is what I would do)
[04:39] <gioacchino> Building tag database... Fatto
[04:39] <gioacchino> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "build-essential"
[04:39] <gioacchino> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[04:39] <gioacchino> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:39] <gioacchino> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[04:39] <gatekeeper> DaSkreech: I just thought it would be easier for him to find packages and install them
[04:39] <Jack1> hobbsee i need the 686 kernel, but got only the 386 install cd; from where in my system can i export the 686 kernel to the new OS?
[04:39] <mb2006> gioacchino: you need to edit your apt-sources list possibly.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> gatekeeper: Than Adept?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Jack1: sudo apt-get install linux-image-686
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Jack1: You can apt-get install linux-686
[04:40] <h3sp4wn> mb2006: 200mhz mips processor it has should be not that bad getting linux onto it
 HOW to edit apt-sources ?
 HOW to edit apt-sources ?
[04:40] <gatekeeper> DaSkreech: I don't like Adept, in Breezy I managed to get it to go into an infinite loop while attempting to install several pacakages
[04:41] <Amduscias> Hi everyone! :) Anyone here, who manged to install / compile the Nforce Audio Drivers?
[04:41] <DaSkreech> gatekeeper: Yeah I've gotten synaptic  to do the same
[04:41] <om_> i'm trying to put a link to kmix in ~/.kde/Autostart but i'm having problems
[04:41] <DaSkreech> dpkg --configure -a and apt-get -f install are your friends
[04:41] <mb2006> h3sp4wn: installing linux onto the airport - no thanks :-0 I just need to install rendezvous tools & mono & JustePorte to get my sound piped over wireless :)
[04:41] <Tommy2k4> k i reconfigured xorg.conf hopefully it shall work now
[04:41] <Jack1> well ok via the internet ok; thought there was a way to do it offline cause its more convenient, but thanks u both
[04:41] <diop> hello
[04:41] <om_> what do i use for "FILE1"?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> om_: how so?
[04:42] <Tommy2k4> i bet if i reboot X it will put my screen res down to 1280x1024 :(
[04:42] <h3sp4wn> mb2006: I would just install linux onto it its broadcom so it will have CFE - Probably not very difficult
[04:42] <mb2006> gioacchino: Use Adept. Go to the Adept menu -> Manage repositories. You should enable them all.
[04:42] <gatekeeper> DaSkreech: fair enough, but I have never had any trouble with synaptic, has always been very stable and as good as gold
[04:42] <DaSkreech> gatekeeper: Agreed :-)
[04:42] <mb2006> h3sp4wn: Sounds like a really good method to get a small, white, plastic doorstop to mee.
[04:42] <om_> Hobbsee- this is probably really stupid, but i tried: link kmix ~/.kde/Autostart/kmix
[04:43] <Jack1> Hobbsee stupid but i have to remove the files u named above in the new installed OS right?
[04:43] <mb2006> How to access the bootloader would be entertaining enough
[04:43] <mb2006> (to me, even)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> om_: looks like, according to locate, you can use ln -s /usr/share/apps/kmix ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Jack1: yep
[04:43] <h3sp4wn> mb2006: it has serial and jtag
[04:43] <om_> oh thanks Hobbsee!
[04:44] <om_> worked =)
[04:44] <gioacchino> help. me
[04:44] <h3sp4wn> mb2006: You need a max233a (to drop the voltage from the serial port) or use a mobile phone datacable with a usb-serial convertor in it
[04:44] <Tommy2k4> 1024x768 makes me cry :(
[04:44] <h3sp4wn> mb2006: If you have jtag anything can be fixed
[04:45] <gioacchino> help me
[04:45] <Tommy2k4> rebuilding xorg.conf didnt fix the broken highlights i sometimes get on menu items :'(
[04:45] <gatekeeper> gioacchino: take a look at: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[04:45] <Tommy2k4> any suggestions?
[04:45] <mb2006> h3sp4wn: How about I post it to you & you post me back a linux block :-)
[04:46] <mb2006> Tommy2k4: I'd still think that your card or drivers are up the spout. Try changing the drivers for the card.
[04:46] <omega> Tommy2k4: Perhaps you need to download the video driver for that onboard card?
[04:46] <omega> *card==chip
[04:47] <Jack1> hobbsee for my internet connection (if i want to avoid filling in password and so on) can i just copy a file to the new computer?
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Whats the point of having nice on the System Process tabe if you can't use it :(
[04:47] <Jack1> if i dont want to set it up again?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Jack1: yeah, should be in your home dir
[04:48] <Jack1> ok thx Hobbsee
[04:49] <linuxmonkey> wow im having an issue. can some one check http://pastebin.ca/72083  and let me know whats wrong!
[04:50] <gioacchino> root@gioacchino-desktop:/# sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:50] <gioacchino> Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto
[04:50] <gioacchino> Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso... Fatto
[04:50] <gioacchino> E: Impossibile trovare build-essential
[04:50] <linuxmonkey> !paste
[04:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:50] <omega> Fatto
[04:50] <insanekane> linuxmonkey: get rid of postfix-tls from the apt-get install list ...
[04:51] <Hobbsee> gioacchino: try build-essentials, not build-essential
[04:52] <Amduscias> Anyone here, with knowledge about 'nvsound' and compiling the Nforce Drivers? could need  some Help ;)
[04:52] <Jack1> how would i change the name of the computer (not user ), i mean eg that name fluffy@user after installation?
[04:52] <gioacchino> E: Impossibile trovare build-essentials
[04:53] <insanekane> Jack1: well, you can try to change /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
[04:53] <h3sp4wn> build-essential                                                       - informational list of build-essential packages
[04:53] <gioacchino> E: Impossibile trovare build-essentials
[04:53] <Tommy2k4> so where could i get better drivers for i810
[04:54] <gioacchino> E: Impossibile trovare build-essential
[04:54] <gioacchino> E: Impossibile trovare build-essentials
[04:54] <brandon_> what's the deal on aacplus encoding on linux?
[04:54] <h3sp4wn> gioacciho: try sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install build-essential
[04:55] <gioacchino> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "build-essential"
[04:56] <gioacchino> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[04:56] <insanekane> gioacchino: check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:57] <gioacchino> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[04:57] <gioacchino> #deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[04:58] <insanekane> aha no wonder
[04:58] <Jack1> grahic is shown weird (zeros and so) with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i'm now unsure which driver for the intel GMA 950 and intel duo core processor
[04:58] <insanekane> gioacchino: uncomment the "deb" line
[04:58] <insanekane> gioacchino: then, sudo apt-get update ... then do whatever
[04:58] <Jack1> vesa driver?
[04:58] <om_> is there a keyboard shortcut for moving between desktops?
[04:58] <Jack1> i810?
[04:59] <DaSkreech> om_: Ctrl+F<num>
[05:00] <om_> thanks DaSkreech!
[05:00] <om_> DaSkreech: it's not working though...
[05:01] <gioacchino> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[05:01] <gioacchino> #deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main
[05:02] <choeger> does anybody know how I can switch the install process into somekind of debug mode? KubuntuDapper install process hangs in "adding live CD user" on my system
[05:03] <mb2006> gioacchino: remove the # from the line:  #deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main
[05:03] <mr-roadster> how can i update to an stable kernel?
[05:03] <DaSkreech> A nice of 5 is less than a nice of 0 right?
[05:03] <Jack1> MY Xserver interface is not set up correctly  how do i now which settings to choose in reconfigurexserver?
[05:03] <DaSkreech> om_: F2 doesn't switch to Desktop 2?
[05:04] <chaabane> oui
[05:04] <om_> DaSkreech: ohhh never mind it works =) sorry and thanks!!
[05:04] <DaSkreech> om_: Cool
[05:06] <gioacchino> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main
[05:06] <gioacchino> Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[05:06] <gioacchino> eb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main
[05:07] <mb2006> gioacchino: uncomment (remove the # from) all the deb lines
[05:07] <Jack1> Hobbsee  do u know which folder /DOC would in windows I NEED to copy my internet connection settings?
[05:07] <Jack1> thx
[05:07] <Hobbsee> no
[05:07] <insanekane> gioacchino: remove all the # signs before all the "deb" lines
[05:07] <insanekane> gioacchino: save it, and run sudo apt-get update
[05:08] <Tommy2k4> how do i stop it switching windows when i scroll mousewheel over taskbar
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Tommy2k4: Asked in #kde?
[05:09] <gioacchino> how to save the file_
[05:09] <Tommy2k4> will do
[05:10] <insanekane> Tommy2k4: right click the kicker, configure panel, Taskbar ... and there you can configure it
[05:10] <gioacchino> how to save the file?
[05:10] <DjDarkman> hy ,can someone give me an unix/linux command that writes the upload and download speed to the output?
[05:11] <Tommy2k4> unless im going blind i cant see an option there insanekane
[05:11] <mb2006> DjDarkman: what?
[05:11] <gioacchino> how to save the file with nano?
[05:12] <insanekane> Tommy2k4: hmm, you are right ...
[05:12] <DjDarkman> mb2006: I`m making a program that needs to chek the upload/download speed with an bash command
[05:12] <gioacchino> how to save the file with nano?
[05:12] <DaSkreech> gioacchino: Ctrl +X
[05:13] <gioacchino> ^X      (F2)            Close the current file buffer/Exit from nano
[05:13] <mb2006> Can't help you there. Sorry.
[05:14] <gioacchino> tnnk/s!!!!!!
[05:15] <gioacchino> tank/s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:15] <Tommy2k4> hm right clicking on an item on my desktop froze the desktop :(
[05:16] <gioacchino> tank/s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:16] <Kronos> ...
[05:16] <mb2006> DjDarkman: try the followi. There might be something for you here: http://ganglia.sourceforge.net/gmetric/
[05:17] <DjDarkman> mb2006: I`m looking for a simple linux command that outputs the dl/ul speed ,but thanks anyway
[05:17] <mb2006> DjDarkman: That might have a script for you.
[05:18] <DjDarkman> ohhh whell ,I`ll chek it maybe it does have something that would be a help thank you mb2006
[05:18] <A`N`D`R`E`W> DjDarkman, are you looking for something in the terminal, or a GUI based app?
[05:18] <DjDarkman> A`N`D`R`E`W: in the terminal
[05:18] <A`N`D`R`E`W> Ah, ok
[05:18] <DjDarkman> I want to make a program to detect the speeds using unix commands
[05:19] <A`N`D`R`E`W> Perhaps a script that utilizes "ping"
[05:19] <m-onkey> time?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> A`N`D`R`E`W: why such a painful nick?
[05:20] <A`N`D`R`E`W> Hobbsee, because Kronos is already registered to someone else.
[05:20] <DjDarkman> A`N`D`R`E`W: I don`t hthink that ping would give me the current upload and download speed
[05:20] <Hobbsee> A`N`D`R`E`W: ah okay.
[05:20] <A`N`D`R`E`W> DjDarkman, of course not, but if you use some other commands, you might be able to figure it out.
[05:20] <insanekane> DjDarkman: why don't you parse ifconfig ?
[05:20] <A`N`D`R`E`W> But, that's more into C++ coding.
[05:21] <DjDarkman> insanekane: where is the ul/dl speed in that i only found the downloaded and uploaded data there
[05:21] <chillfaktor> Bazzi: hey bazzi, if you have a few minutes of free time to proceed, quote me any time, i'll set irc to the task ... :) ...
[05:21] <Tommy2k4> any way to reload the desktop without ctrl alt backspace (the desktop froze)
[05:22] <A`N`D`R`E`W> Nope.
[05:22] <DjDarkman> Tommy2k4: kill the x server
[05:22] <VonGeist> you could try to go into the console (Ctrl+Alt+F6) then kill the server
[05:22] <om_> after my kubuntu crashes, where can i find the error log files?
[05:22] <|lostbyte|> Hi !
[05:23] <h3sp4wn> om_: /var
[05:23] <insanekane> om_: i wish it were that simple :/
[05:23] <|lostbyte|> I need a program that will notify me on new system services as they start or die ? Know any ..
[05:24] <h3sp4wn> om_: /var/log/messages maybe
[05:24] <om_> thanks i'm looking
[05:24] <VonGeist> ok, I'm tyring to install my mx1000 mouse and someone posted a good tutorial. the problem is, they say to get some info from the following command line: "cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep -A1 "Logitech USB Receiver"" but nothing happens when I use it. Any ideas?
[05:26] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> can someone recommand some good fonts for lcds?
[05:26] <om_> what does this mean? Jun 26 18:09:46 om-bot kernel: [17182231.424000]  PREEMPT
[05:26] <om_> and then i get funny numbers.. and then the restart happened
[05:27] <empi> bbl
[05:27] <Tommy2k4> every single time i right click a desktop icon the desktop freezes
[05:27] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: means your kernel got pimped ;O)
[05:27] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: kidding
[05:27] <om_> =)
[05:27] <gioacchino> how to istall gcc _
[05:27] <gioacchino> how to istall gcc  ?
[05:27] <om_> i wish i knew what the problem is cause it happens every 4 hours or so
[05:29] <mb2006> what are funny numbers? Are they different from, say, serious numbers?
[05:29] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_:update your kernel maybe?
[05:29] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: what cpu u have and what kernel?
[05:29] <gioacchino> how to istall gcc  ?
[05:29] <om_> well i think it's the newest version.. i just installed kubuntu two days ago.. using P4 2.8ghz
[05:30] <mb2006> gioacchino: You have edited /etc/apt-sources ? You have removed the #'s from the deb lines
[05:30] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: how do i get the kernel version?
[05:30] <insanekane> gioacchino: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:31] <VonGeist> anyone know why this isn't working (or if it is, where I can find the output): cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep -A1 "Logitech USB Receiver"
[05:31] <mb2006> gioacchino: before the apt-get install. do a sudo apt-get update (if you have edited your apt-sources list)
[05:32] <A`N`D`R`E`W> Gar...
[05:32] <gioacchino> dont_exist  /etc/apt-sources
[05:32] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: i dont know the command for it , but run adept , and search for linux-image , and see which one you have installed
[05:32] <A`N`D`R`E`W> It seems nothing in life is truely free. :/
[05:32] <mb2006> sorry. /etc/apt/sources.list :=)
[05:32] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: i have a feeling that amaroK maybe to blame.. it seems like my system only crashes when i have it running
[05:32] <A`N`D`R`E`W> I need to shell out $20 for Cedega. ><
[05:33] <insanekane> A`N`D`R`E`W: do you mean 'free as in beer' or 'free as in speech' ?
[05:33] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_:could be , could be something else
[05:33] <A`N`D`R`E`W> free as beer
[05:33] <insanekane> A`N`D`R`E`W: yes, nothing is free as in beer
[05:34] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: ver 2.6.15 which i guess is the newest
[05:34] <gioacchino> okj thank-s!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:34] <gioacchino> okj thank-s!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:34] <gioacchino> okj thank-s!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:35] <gioacchino> ok thank-s!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:35] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: but for some reason the 386 is installed and not the one optimized for P4...
[05:35] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: yeah , newest stable i think ,  there should be also other kernels optimised for your cpu , u can try that
[05:36] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: so should i install linux-image-686?
[05:36] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: and you can try to reinstall amarok , and compile it from source on your pc
[05:37] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: i see only version amarok 3.9 in adept, but on the website they already have 4.1
[05:37] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: so i guess maybe i should try that
[05:38] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: yeah you should use the kernel opt for ur spu
[05:38] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: i installe 4.1 yeadterday , its good
[05:38] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: ok i just hope i figure out how to install from source =) been using linux for 2 days now...
[05:39] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: it has like 3 or 4 dependencies that you have to install but it tells your where to get them when ur doing the ./configure
[05:39] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: ive been using it for like a week maybe , im starting to understand it a little
[05:40] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: if i just installed linux-image686, do i need to remove linux-image386? i now have them both installed...
[05:40] <gioacchino> how to istall full kernel ??
[05:40] <gioacchino> how to install full kernel ??
[05:40] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: no ,keep it as backup , just restart the pc , it will select the new kernel
[05:40] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: how does it know which to select? the last one installed?
[05:41] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: im not sure , it just knows
[05:42] <om_> =) ok restarting...
[05:43] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> can someone recommand some good fonts for lcd? to use system wide?
[05:44] <h3sp4wn> The microsoft ones ?
[05:44] <h3sp4wn> the package is in multiverse
[05:44] <h3sp4wn> msttcorefonts
[05:44] <gioacchino> how to install full kernel ??
[05:45] <om_> the good news is that my computer restarted =)
[05:45] <apokryphos> gioacchino: no need to repeat so many times :) ; if someone is able/willing to help, they will =)
[05:45] <om_> anybody knows how i can check which kernel my system is using?
[05:46] <v3ctor> uname -r
[05:46] <v3ctor> for kernel version ^^
[05:46] <om_> thanks!
[05:46] <Kr4t05> How difficult is it to compile your own kernel?
[05:47] <DaSkreech> gioacchino: What do you mean the full kernel? You have a partial kernel installed?
[05:47] <apokryphos> gioacchino: /msg ubotu kernel
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Kr4t05: Can you compile anythign else?
[05:47] <Kr4t05> Yeah
[05:47] <nixternal> !gioacchino
[05:47] <apokryphos> * Kr4t05
[05:47] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: Not very but what is the reason ?
[05:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about gioacchino
[05:47] <gioacchino> The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
[05:47] <gioacchino> Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
[05:47] <gioacchino> or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
[05:47] <gioacchino> sources (default is /usr/src/linux).
[05:47] <g-henna> hi everyone
[05:47] <apokryphos> gioacchino: please don't paste in here, use the pastebin.
[05:48] <Kr4t05> h3sp4wn, I've heard that you can increase speed and hardware compatiability with a custom kernel.
[05:48] <g-henna> does anyone of you know a program/script where i can draw a graphic the turtle way and then export it to svg?
[05:48] <v3ctor> Kr4t05: not that much
[05:48] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_:so, did it select the p4 kernel?
[05:48] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: I recommend kano's (unofficially)
[05:48] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: It will significantly improve how fast it feels
[05:48] <Kr4t05> h3sp4wn, a custom kernel?
[05:49] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[05:49] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: Its 2.6.17 with a load of performance patches
[05:49] <Kr4t05> This isn't a very fast machine to begin with.
[05:49] <Kr4t05> Celeron 2.26GHz, 1GB DDR 400, and a GeForce 6200
[05:49] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: yeah it did =) but now my firefox just crashed damn it
[05:50] <v3ctor> lol
[05:50] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: is your system overclocked?
[05:50] <Kr4t05> Very "old skool
[05:50] <Kr4t05> "
[05:50] <v3ctor> Kr4t05: not really
[05:50] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: no it's not.. it was working fine under winxp until i formatted 2 days ago
[05:51] <Kr4t05> My college PC would be the shiz, if I had $1000
[05:51] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> om_: well , you can always go back , use it for a while ans see what works and what doesnt ,and if u get same crashes as before
[05:52] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: yeah actually firefox used to crash on winxp too.. that's why i switched to opera.. i didnt think it would still crash on linux but i guess it does
[05:54] <om_> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: i downloaded the new amarok and it's sitting on my desktop: amarok-1.4.1-beta1.tar.bz2 ... can you help me figure out how to install it please?
[05:55] <om_> do i dpkg the .bz2 file?
[05:56] <h3sp4wn> If you really want to try it imbrandon has some test deb's already
[05:57] <om_> h3sp4wn: imbrandon?
[05:57] <om_> i found by googling: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main
[05:57] <om_> but i wasn't able to install it for some reason
[05:57] <h3sp4wn> om_: But you wanted the beta didn't you ?
[05:58] <om_> i cant find the beta.. i dont mind 4.0, i just want to change my 3.9 cause it crashes
[05:59] <h3sp4wn> just add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list (and run sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade)
[05:59] <om_> ok cool thanks!
[06:00] <v3ctor> h3sp4wn: where do i get kano's kernel..i want to test her out
[06:01] <VonGeist> alrighty, got my computer working again, the tutorials I've found thus far haven't worked too well so I'll pose the question here: anyone know a good way to get a Logitech Mx1000 mouse working?
[06:02] <imbrandon> om_, amarok 1.4.1beta1 http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/pubkey.html
[06:03] <imbrandon> h3sp4wn, ^^
[06:03] <om_> oh cool thanks!!
[06:03] <gioacchino> I have a problem with alsa
[06:04] <gioacchino> when I istall it
[06:04] <gioacchino> The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
[06:04] <Tommy2k4> yet again i get the "31K/0Hz frequency out of range" error on my screen :'(
[06:04] <Tommy2k4> this time i wasnt taking a screenshot tho
[06:04] <h3sp4wn> v3ctor: http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/kernel/kernel-kanotix-current.zip (unzip it and install the source deb)
[06:04] <v3ctor> ty
[06:04] <gioacchino> I have a problem with alsa when I istall it
[06:04] <gioacchino> The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
[06:05] <apokryphos> gioacchino: come on now, I've already told you -- please don't repeat
[06:05] <apokryphos> !repeat
[06:05] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[06:06] <imbrandon> gioacchino, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-(`uname -r`)
[06:06] <imbrandon> heya apokryphos
[06:06] <apokryphos> imbrandon: no parenthesis :P
[06:06] <apokryphos> imbrandon: hi =)
[06:06] <apokryphos> how's it going?
[06:07] <imbrandon> good, about to do some yard work and get some air
[06:07] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:07] <imbrandon> brb ;)
[06:07] <imbrandon> apokryphos, btw we published the fgirst podcast yesterday
[06:07] <imbrandon> first*
[06:07] <imbrandon> anyhow brb
[06:07] <apokryphos> yeah, so I see; may look into it
[06:08] <gioacchino> (`uname -r`) ????
[06:08] <imbrandon> gioacchino, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[06:08] <imbrandon> it will get your current running version
[06:08] <imbrandon> of the kernel headers
[06:08] <gioacchino> hoe to read the current kernel version_
[06:08] <gioacchino> ?
[06:08] <v3ctor> `uname -r` will resolve to your current kernel
[06:09] <gioacchino> ok
[06:10] <the_mouse> how can i convert wmv video to avi or mpg?
[06:12] <|lostbyte|> the_mouse, mencoder
[06:12] <the_mouse> is there anu GUI for it?
[06:13] <gioacchino> thanks
[06:14] <the_mouse> ?
[06:14] <sF|Xemanth> the_mouse: mengui
[06:16] <the_mouse> how to install it?
[06:16] <the_mouse> Couldn't find package mengui
[06:17] <blupp> hi there, does anyone here have the current amarok (svn)?
[06:24] <nico8481> lo
[06:25] <ubuntu> neato
[06:27] <mindspit> i want to use my fat 32 partition and especialy the file pagefile.sys as a Windows swap space and ALSO FOR Linux ... i need linux instructions
[06:29] <DaSkreech> mindspit: Huh?
[06:29] <h3sp4wn> It is possible (or used to be) but would be a bit pointless
[06:29] <mindspit> i want to use my fat 32 partition and especialy the file pagefile.sys as swap space FOR Linux ...
[06:30] <h3sp4wn> mindspit: I can remember you definately need to make it a fixed size in windows and make sure it is continuous on the disk - can't remember anything else
[06:31] <mindspit> ok
[06:34] <mindspit> if i have windows delete pagefile upon shutdown, could i use the same partition for linux? (hopefully this isn't a stupid question)
[06:35] <dawson_> Hello, Friends, Now I have just mounted my fat32 formatted new hdd, I am getting accesess denied warnings when i try and write to the disc, can anyone help me?
[06:36] <mindspit> i am out of space!
[06:38] <dr_willis> dawson_,  mount it as a user, not as root, that way the other users can access it.
[06:39] <dr_willis> !fat32
[06:39] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[06:40] <dawson_> when i try that it says it can only be done my root
[06:41] <dawson_> i wish to have it mounted every time it boots
[06:41] <dr_willis> then you need to set the umask/uid/gid perhaps in the fstab
[06:41] <dr_willis> !nfts
[06:41] <ubotu> I know nothing about nfts
[06:41] <dr_willis> Hmm
[06:41] <dr_willis> !ntfs
[06:41] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[06:41] <dr_willis> silly bot.
[06:41] <dr_willis> theres a fstab line it can say thats the examople to use
[06:42] <dr_willis> !fstab
[06:42] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[06:43] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> can someone recommend some good fonts for lcd? to use system wide in kde?
[06:43] <dawson_> cheers
[06:43] <om_> i am trying to install projectM, and the tutorial say to use the command "make" but i get "command not found"
[06:45] <dr_willis> !b-e
[06:45] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!)
[06:45] <dr_willis> install build-essential (s) for a start
[06:45] <dr_willis> Looks like they totaloly messed with the bots urls. :(
[06:46] <om_> thanks ubotu
[06:50] <ChefWill> om_: you mean thank you dr_willis ;/
[06:50] <christos> i want to create a wireless network. do i need to download any program or kubuntu has any installed???
[06:50] <dr_willis> :)
[06:50] <h3sp4wn> christos: Do you want to use hostapd ?
[06:50] <dr_willis> christos,  drivers for the wireless cards is a start. :)
[06:50] <om_> oh thanks dr_willis =)
[06:50] <dr_willis> or learning how they work
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> christos: i.e setup a wireless accesspoint
[06:51] <christos> my card works ok i think :) dr_willis
[06:51] <christos> i dont have any routers. just a simple wireless card
[06:51] <dr_willis> 1 wireless card.. :P
[06:52] <christos> yeah something like that h3sp4wn
[06:52] <h3sp4wn> christos: With only one card how would it be useful ?
[06:53] <christos> ok i have another one :) in another computer
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> christos: Is it atheros ? If it is I may be able to help you setup hostapd
[06:55] <christos> h3sp4wn nope. it's rt2500 or sth like that
[06:56] <_chillfaktor> Bazzi: i have found a detailed install instruction pdf on the vmware website, do you mean i can handle the installation with this one?
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> christos: I don't know about master mode with ralink 2500 you might have to use the wip drivers
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> christos: You need master mode http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB2/ (have a look in those forums)
[06:59] <Bazzi> Chillfaktor: no
[06:59] <christos> ok h3sp4wn. thanx a lot. i'll check it out
[06:59] <Bazzi> prove me wrong!
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> christos: Some things you might want to search for are 'master mode, hostapd'
[07:02] <christos> ok
[07:05] <christos> one thing more. if i make it work, can i share this internet connection with another windows computer???
[07:05] <christos> in other words will windows use kubuntu's internet connection ?
[07:08] <fiyawerx> whoa, am i still connected
[07:08] <fiyawerx> nice
[07:09] <Chillfaktor> well, k ... then quote me if you got some free minutes :) ...
[07:09] <Chillfaktor> (bassi)
[07:09] <nixternal> sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get upgrade    << gnupg update to patch vulnerability
[07:13] <omega> Hi.
[07:13] <omega> I'm trying to install KDE 3.5.3, but adept ran into trouble when trying to update kdelibs.
[07:14] <omega> I have no idea what to do now. Could anyone please try to help me? It's suggesting that I try apt-get -f install but that broke things horribly the last time.
[07:15] <omega> kdelibs4c2a: Depends: kdelibs-data (> 4:3.5.3) but  4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18 is installed
[07:15] <Tommy2k4> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204080 can anyone help me solve this problem
[07:15] <Bazzi> omega: you want to install it manually?
[07:15] <Bazzi> or from kubuntu repos?
[07:15] <omega> I added a new repository for 3.5.3, and tried to update.
[07:16] <Chillfaktor> Bazzi: i'll be back in 2 hours, cu later :)
[07:16] <omega> It's from the kubuntu repository, yeah.
[07:16] <Bazzi> which one?
[07:16] <Bazzi> ah, so that should be set
[07:17] <omega> Any idea what kind of console magic I should perform to make it work, Bazzi?
[07:17] <Bazzi> no, sorry
[07:17] <cps1966> apt-get remove lib thats broken
[07:17] <omega> Won't that break my KDE installation?
[07:18] <cps1966> your going to install new one
[07:18] <omega> Did I break the library because I was trying to upgrade KDE while still being logged into KDE?
[07:20] <omega> which package should I remove then, cps1966?
[07:20] <omega> kdelibs or kde-data?
[07:25] <min> yay
[07:25] <min> can someone help me?
[07:26] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> you not suposed update kde libs , you suposed update the kde , it will do it all by itself
[07:26] <min> I cant change my screen resolution in kubuntu
[07:26] <min> its locked at 640x480
[07:27] <min> How can I change it to 1024x780?
[07:27] <Bazzi> !resolution
[07:27] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart (GNOME), sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (KDE) To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:27] <Bazzi> ^
[07:27] <weihello> did  your g-card work?
[07:29] <min> hm
[07:29] <min> I dunno how to do this
[07:29] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> omega: just add a repo that has the kde 353 libs , then do update , then upgrade , the kde will update itself to 353
[07:30] <omega> What do you think I did?
[07:34] <min> WAit
[07:34] <min> Is till cant change my screen reso
[07:34] <min> Im on two monitors if it helps
[07:34] <min> Im on a laptop
[07:35] <min> one of my monitor is brokenso I got an external monitor
[07:35] <rideout> in the cli, type xrandr, what does it say?
[07:35] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> omega:redo it then
[07:35] <min> but the reso on my external monitor is 640x480
[07:35] <omega> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: redo what?
[07:35] <min> in the cli?
[07:35] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> omega: kde update
[07:36] <omega> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: I cannot because the kdelib is holding things back, it seems.
[07:36] <rideout> terminal, shell, command line interface
[07:36] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> omega: and run sudo apt-get install -f
[07:36] <omega> after I execute the suggested apt-get -f install command, it breaks with a broken pipe.
[07:36] <min> it says
[07:36] <min>  SZ:    Pixels          Physical       Refresh
[07:36] <min> *0    640 x 480    ( 217mm x 163mm )  *-19579
[07:36] <min> Current rotation - normal
[07:36] <min> Current reflection - none
[07:36] <min> Rotations possible - normal
[07:36] <min> Reflections possible - none
[07:36] <omega> The broken pipe most likely occurs because it tries to overwrite a mimelnk for x-bittorent.desktop
[07:37] <min> rideout thats what it says
[07:37] <rideout> min: yeah, that just proves you need to fix your xorg.conf file
[07:37] <DarkStone> hi
[07:38] <min> sorry my konversation turned off
[07:38] <min> it says
[07:38] <rideout> min: type this: sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Modes
[07:38] <min>  SZ:    Pixels          Physical       Refresh
[07:38] <min> *0    640 x 480    ( 217mm x 163mm )  *-19579
[07:38] <min> Current rotation - normal
[07:38] <min> Current reflection - none
[07:38] <min> Rotations possible - normal
[07:38] <min> Reflections possible - none
[07:38] <min> k
[07:39] <om_> i'm trying to install projectM from source but the make command keeps giving me errors.. the INSTALL file says "./configure --sysconfdir=/etc" then "make" then "make install (as sudo)"
[07:39] <min> it says
[07:39] <min> Modes           "1400x1050"
[07:39] <min>                 Modes           "1400x1050"
[07:39] <min>                 Modes           "1400x1050"
[07:39] <min>                 Modes           "1400x1050"
[07:39] <min>                 Modes           "1400x1050"
[07:39] <om_> and everything seems fine when i do the ./configure... but when i try 'make' i get a bunch of errors
[07:39] <min>                 Modes           "1400x1050"
[07:39] <rideout> om_: what errors
[07:39] <rideout> ?
[07:39] <nixternal> !pastebin
[07:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:39] <min> it says
[07:39] <min> Modes           "1400x1050"
[07:39] <min>                 Modes           "1400x1050"
[07:39] <min>                 Modes           "1400x1050"
[07:39] <min>                 Modes           "1400x1050"
[07:39] <min>                 Modes           "1400x1050"
[07:39] <min>                 Modes           "1400x1050"
[07:40] <DarkStone> !paste
[07:40] <DarkStone> !pastebin
[07:40] <DarkStone> -.-
[07:40] <DarkStone> erm
[07:40] <christopher> anyone running a wireless router through usb and ndiswrapper? i'm having troubles setting up my netgear wpn111
[07:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:40] <nixternal> !pastebin
[07:40] <om_> rideout: a million of them.. here's the first one: /usr/include/GL/glx.h:38:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[07:40] <om_> but i have X11 installed.. or so Adept claims...
[07:40] <rideout> min: you already sent that, plus use pastebin like ubotu said, then post a link
[07:40] <min> oops ok
[07:40] <min> so what do I do next?
[07:40] <rideout> om_, you may not have the development filess for it though
[07:41] <om_> rideout: do you have any idea what are they called?
[07:41] <rideout> min: put the whole xorg.conf in pastebin, i may be able to figure it out
[07:42] <DarkStone> hi i have a problem
[07:42] <rideout> om_: install apt-file, sudo apt-get install apt-file
[07:42] <DarkStone> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16560
[07:42] <min> what do I do with the xorg.conf?
[07:42] <DarkStone> it says my gtk+ is bad...
[07:42] <DarkStone> how do i reinstall
[07:42] <om_> thanks rideout!
[07:42] <min> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16561
[07:43] <rideout> om_: then do apt-file update, then apt-file search Xlib.h, it will tell you what package to install
[07:43] <min> how do I get the xorg.conf so that I could put it on pastebin?
[07:43] <uniq> darkstone: install libgtk2.0-dev
[07:43] <rideout> min: try this : sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:44] <DarkStone> thank you
[07:44] <rideout> min: the grep part of the last command just selects the line with what you put after grep, in this case mode
[07:44] <min> ok
[07:44] <min> Im getting it on pastebin
[07:45] <chillfaktor> Bazzi: thought it would take longer ... just quote ...
[07:45] <min> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16562
[07:46] <DarkStone> um
[07:46] <DarkStone> help
[07:46] <DarkStone> plz
[07:46] <DarkStone> configure: error: *** SDL version 1.1.3 not found!
[07:46] <min> yea http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16562
[07:46] <Leafw> any recommendations for musepack (mpc) files decoding and playing?
[07:47] <rideout> min: you are using two monitors, right?
[07:47] <min> yea
[07:47] <min> rideour: yea
[07:48] <NKjoep> hi ppl
[07:49] <min> I am on two monitors
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Yo
[07:49] <NKjoep> cool min
[07:49] <rideout> min: how do you want them, side by side, or for them both to show the same thing?
[07:49] <Hawkwind> min: TwinView is so nice ain't it :)
[07:50] <min> I want one two be turned off and one to have 1024x768 because the other monitor is broken but its attatched to my laptop
[07:50] <rideout> DarkStone: install the *-dev packages for sdl
[07:50] <DarkStone> ty
[07:50] <DarkStone> :)
[07:51] <dmhouse> Hey all. Is there a package which supplies all the Windows fonts like Trebuchet?
[07:51] <rideout> min: brb in 3 minutes
[07:51] <min> damit
[07:51] <min> ok
[07:52] <[BU] Brizz> dmhouse: are they not in msttcorefonts?
[07:53] <Leafw> exit
[07:53] <om_> rideout: ok i got all the libraries i think.. and now i get wayyyyy fewer errors.. but still this: error:   crosses initialization of 'float w2'
[07:53] <dmhouse> [BU] Brizz: that might do it, thanks.
[07:53] <[BU] Brizz> dmhouse: it shoudl
[07:54] <[BU] Brizz> dmhouse: np :)
[07:54] <rideout> om_: do make clean, then ./configure again, then make, see if it has the same error
[07:54] <min> yay
[07:54] <min> I want one two be turned off and one to have 1024x768 because the other monitor is broken but its attatched to my
[07:55] <min> yea
[07:55] <om_> rideout: same error.. plus i get a bunch of these warnings: builtin_funcs.h:51: warning: inline function 'float atan2_wrapper(float*)' used but never defined
[07:56] <om_> maybe my compiler settings are different or something? how can this be?
[07:57] <steveire> Is there some way to make apollon search for numbers?
[07:57] <min> connect #ipodlinux
[07:58] <min> I want one two be turned off and one to have 1024x768 because the other monitor is broken but its attatched to my
[07:58] <rideout> min: follow these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[07:59] <min> alright
[07:59] <min> thanks
[07:59] <om_> rideout: should i give up at this point? is there any hope?
[08:00] <rideout> min: but when it tells you to run "sudo aticonfig" - something, just run "sudo aticonfig" and follow what it says to d what you want
[08:00] <min> k
[08:01] <rideout> om_: i don't know at the moment, it might not have to do with kubuntu, it may be the package you are building, try the support for projectM
[08:01] <rideout> om_: I have have to leave now: good luck!
[08:06] <min> how do I become the root suer?
[08:06] <min> *user
[08:07] <cps1966> you dont sudo
[08:07] <om_> sudo -s
[08:07] <cps1966> !sudo
[08:07] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:07] <min> o
[08:07] <min> ty
[08:08] <sF|Xemanth> i still cant understand whats so great in sudo
[08:09] <Tommy2k4> i like sudo
[08:09] <h3sp4wn> I am not bothered either way
[08:09] <Tommy2k4> though i've never used linux before ubuntu
[08:09] <Tommy2k4> so i've never tried using a root user
[08:09] <min> when I did
[08:10] <min> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:10] <min> it said that gedit is not a command
[08:10] <cps1966> its not on kubuntu
[08:10] <min> o
[08:10] <ChefWill> kdesu kate /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[08:10] <Tommy2k4> use kate
[08:10] <cps1966> use sudo kate
[08:10] <min> ty
[08:11] <sF|Xemanth> i once reinstalled kubuntu after first try because su didn't work, i thought that i just don't remember root password
[08:11] <apokryphos> cps1966: no, not sudo kate (/msg ubotu kdesu)
[08:11] <Tommy2k4> ive never used kdesu (apart from testing what it does)
[08:11] <apokryphos> sF|Xemanth: /msg ubotu root
[08:11] <ChefWill> sudo is not for kde apps
[08:11] <Tommy2k4> works though
[08:11] <ChefWill> you think it does
[08:11] <apokryphos> Tommy2k4: could ruin your system though
[08:11] <Tommy2k4> ah
[08:11] <min> it says failed to open device
[08:11] <weihello> no it's 02:11
[08:11] <Tommy2k4> so it always says that for me, but still works
[08:11] <weihello> now it's 02:11
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> I don't think gui apps should be run by root
[08:12] <sF|Xemanth> nowdays I use sudo -s instead of su :)
[08:12] <apokryphos> generally no, but if you have to (particularly KDE apps), then kdesu should be used, not plain sudo
[08:12] <min> Im supposed to change the xorg.conf file but I dont have permission to do it
[08:13] <apokryphos> min: alt+f2 -> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:13] <Lynoure> min: sudo at the front of the editing command helps
[08:13] <Tommy2k4> thats just to stop it being changed by accident
[08:13] <h3sp4wn> apokryphos: Definately - I can't see much need to use kde apps as root though
[08:13] <Tommy2k4> and using kdesu doesn't run it as root?
[08:13] <apokryphos> well, like this case if you want to use kate...
[08:13] <apokryphos> Tommy2k4: it does
[08:13] <apokryphos> Lynoure: no, not sudo for kde apps (read above)
[08:14] <Lynoure> min: like I'd use     sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:14] <Tommy2k4> i fail to see the difference
[08:14] <Lynoure> apokryphos: I wouldn't edit it with kate :)
[08:14] <min> yay ty apokry
[08:14] <Lynoure> apokryphos: and there was a typo in the path, too
[08:14] <min> except
[08:14] <apokryphos> Tommy2k4: well....... sudo doesn't set up the environment properly for KDE apps. It'll try to write configurations with root often, so config files will be mucked up
[08:14] <apokryphos> as can dcop sockets
[08:14] <min> it says to do this
[08:14] <min> sudo apt-get update
[08:14] <min> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[08:15] <min> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:15] <min> sudo aticonfig --initial
[08:15] <min> sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[08:15] <Tommy2k4> k
[08:15] <min> The following steps did not work for me. In exchange to the next steps enter  'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and choose 'fglrx'.
[08:15] <Lynoure> apokryphos: oh, sorry, not in your version :)
[08:15] <apokryphos> min: no pasting in here please, use a pastebin.
[08:15] <min> oops
[08:15] <min> yea
[08:15] <min> I did that
[08:15] <min> but
[08:15] <min> it says
[08:15] <apokryphos> !enter
[08:15] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[08:15] <steveire> hehe
[08:16] <Tommy2k4> i love the bot in here
[08:16] <Tommy2k4> much better than the one in #amarok >_<
[08:16] <h3sp4wn> The one in #kanotix will search google for you
[08:17] <brandon_> amarok can't use gstreamer anymore?
[08:17] <Tommy2k4> nope
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> So you can just type !google what you would type and it gives you the first three results
[08:17] <brandon_> well that...that sucks
[08:17] <Tommy2k4> i use xmms now
[08:17] <apokryphos> yuck
[08:17] <Tommy2k4> shame it doesnt have global shortcuts
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> xine is alot better than gstreamer
[08:17] <min> ok
[08:17] <brandon_> xine can't handle aacplus
[08:17] <min> heres the paste thing
[08:17] <min> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16563
[08:18] <Tommy2k4> amarok (with xine) stopped playing wma files when i upgraded to amarok 1.4 :|
[08:18] <Tommy2k4> played them fine before the upgade
[08:18] <brandon_> i hadn't tried wma
[08:19] <min> fglrxinfo  doesnt work on kubuntu
[08:19] <min> what should I type?
[08:19] <Tommy2k4> xmms opens instantly whereas amarok shows the splash screen for >15 seconds
[08:20] <h3sp4wn> fglrxinfo
[08:20] <Tommy2k4> min, dpkg --configure -a
[08:20] <apokryphos> solution: don't close amarok 8)
[08:20] <Tommy2k4> but kubuntu crashes for no reason :(
[08:21] <min> what does dpkg --configure -a do?
[08:21] <Tommy2k4> hopefully fix the dpkg errors you're getting
[08:22] <min> nice
[08:22] <min> sudo aticonfig --initial
[08:22] <min> sudo: aticonfig: command not found
[08:22] <Tommy2k4> now redo the apt-get commands that failed
[08:22] <kosh> Tommy2k4: I think that the first time amarok runs it has to rebuild the media library and on version changes it does also
[08:22] <kosh> Tommy2k4: if you kill it before it finishes then it probably has to start over
[08:23] <Tommy2k4> ive never killed it
[08:23] <Tommy2k4> ill try it again now
[08:23] <kosh> for me amarok starts almost instantly
[08:24] <Tommy2k4> when i try to play a wma amarok just closes instantly :(
[08:24] <imachine> mplayer+xmms is all i need ;p
[08:24] <Tommy2k4> xmms has no global shortcuts :(
[08:24] <kosh> ah I don't have any wma files
[08:24] <Tommy2k4> apart from that i like it
[08:24] <imachine> hail w32codecs
[08:24] <imachine> ;)
[08:24] <Tommy2k4> i have w32codecs
[08:24] <Tommy2k4> amarok played wma fine until i upgraded to 1.4
[08:24] <imachine> hehe
[08:24] <imachine> ;] 
[08:25] <imachine> that's what you get for bleeding edge
[08:25] <imachine> ;p
[08:25] <kosh> I have 1.4 also but no wma
[08:25] <Tommy2k4> bleeding edge?
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> 1.41 beta is bleeding edge
[08:25] <imachine> eh
[08:25] <imachine> ;] 
[08:25] <Tommy2k4> i never said 1.41 beta
[08:25] <morzel> hi
[08:25] <Tommy2k4> 1.4 stable
[08:25] <Tommy2k4> wont play wma :(
[08:25] <kosh> mostly I use it with the xine engine to play oggs files since xine can play to all my speakers and gstreamer I never could get it to play to more then two speakers
[08:26] <kosh> Tommy2k4: why not convert the wma to some open format?
[08:26] <morzel> have any fresh install kubuntu there?
[08:26] <morzel> i need some help
[08:26] <Tommy2k4> would take ages on this slow ass pc
[08:26] <kosh> heh mine is pretty far from a fresh install :)
[08:27] <kosh> mine started as mandrake about 6 years ago and was live switched to debian and then lived switched to kubuntu a few months ago
[08:27] <morzel> kosh: pls paste the output of groups command
[08:27] <Tommy2k4> wth is wrong with amarok
[08:27] <Tommy2k4> it plays a tiny bit of the wma before crashing
[08:27] <Tommy2k4> so it can definately decode it fine
[08:28] <kosh> xine probably does not like the file, remember amarok is not realy playing the file
[08:28] <Tommy2k4> xine is the only engine choice in amarok
[08:28] <kosh> morzel: ah mine is heavily customized
[08:28] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Tommy2k4: send me that wma ur playing , ill run in on my amarok
[08:28] <Tommy2k4> ok but you wont like it ;)
[08:28] <Tommy2k4> and it happens for all of my wma's
[08:29] <kosh> Tommy2k4: what sound output are you using? alsa, oss etc?
[08:29] <morzel> kosh :(
[08:29] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Tommy2k4: what codec did u get for wma?
[08:29] <Tommy2k4> it was set to automatic
[08:29] <kosh> try setting it to alsa
[08:29] <Tommy2k4> i set it to alsa there and it played a few seconds of the file before crashing
[08:29] <morzel> kosh my to
[08:29] <Tommy2k4> now amarok wont even open
[08:30] <Tommy2k4> how do i open amarok with autostart turned off from command line
[08:30] <kosh> that doesn't even make sense
[08:30] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> i compiled the 1.4 from source and so far its been working great
[08:30] <kosh> all kubuntu uses alsa
[08:30] <kosh> I am using the regular kubuntu packages and no issues
[08:30] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> 141 actually
[08:30] <BKaj> ey all
[08:31] <Tommy2k4> yea xmms plays fine using alsa
[08:31] <Tommy2k4> ill try 141 see if that fixes it
[08:31] <kosh> Tommy2k4: I don't know how to turn off autostart other then wiping the config files
[08:32] <Tommy2k4> wheres config file located?
[08:32] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Tommy2k4: what u mean autostrat?
[08:32] <kosh> amarok is a media dispatcher, xine is a media decoder and alsa is the sound system the output is sent to
[08:32] <Tommy2k4> by autostart i mean autoplay
[08:32] <BKaj> this client keeps dropping the first letter of each sentence that I type ...WTF .."Konversation"
[08:32] <kosh> amarok is not playing the file and putting xmms being able to play alsa does not change anything, the odds are very high that xine does not like the files
[08:32] <Tommy2k4> i know kosh
[08:33] <kosh> so try playing one of your wma files directly with xine and see what happens
[08:33] <kosh> BKaj: that is strange, I am using konversation without any of those issues for years
[08:33] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> or the kaffeine
[08:34] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> after getting the essential codec pack
[08:34] <kosh> kaffeine is another frontend, it is better to try it with xine directly as a test
[08:34] <admiral_proFTW> try reconfiguring konversation BKaj
[08:34] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> yeah
[08:34] <Tommy2k4> kaffeine plays the wma fine
[08:34] <BKaj> eah kosh, dunno why ...it just started this after I set up my KB
[08:35] <admiral_proFTW> kb?
[08:35] <BKaj> keyboard
[08:35] <admiral_proFTW> reconfigure your locales
[08:35] <BKaj>  did
[08:35] <BKaj> that
[08:35] <admiral_proFTW> really? that was my issue with my kb a while back
[08:36] <BKaj> managed toi get the mute and volume buttons to work
[08:36] <BKaj> compaq 13 button
[08:37] <BKaj> anyone know how to erase dvd+rws in k3b ?
[08:37] <BKaj> using kubuntu 6.06 AMD64
[08:38] <kosh> my guess would be tools -> format dvd+-rw
[08:38] <admiral_proFTW> yea i'm thinkin it might just be the kb
[08:38] <admiral_proFTW> is it new?
[08:38] <kosh> but I don't have any rw disks right now to check that
[08:38] <BKaj> also the printer won't work , it sets up to print then , freezes
[08:38] <BKaj> no format won't work
[08:39] <kosh> ah printers I can't help with I don't use them
[08:39] <kosh> according to the docs the format dvd+-rw is supposed to erase the disc
[08:40] <Tommy2k4> im seriously gonna stab someone
[08:40] <Tommy2k4> kubuntu has crashed for the 5th time today
[08:40] <BKaj> it's too bad that windows can set this tuff and make it work but linux still has long ways to go configging hardware
[08:40] <jedi__> hi all
[08:40] <admiral_proFTW> what were you doing
[08:40] <Tommy2k4> nothing
[08:40] <kosh> Tommy2k4: probably hardware, power supply or heat if the system is crashing
[08:41] <kosh> BKaj: the printers I used to use where all network postscript printers, they would just work with any unix transparently but where a pain to setup for windows
[08:41] <Tommy2k4> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204080 theres the problem
[08:41] <cps1966> no its running out of memory as mine does
[08:41] <kosh> BKaj: choice of hardware determines how easily stuff just works
[08:41] <osh_> BKaj: I just setup my printer. It wasn't harder than in windows. Just click Next a few times and choose the right printer. Works like a charm. For me. ;-)
[08:41] <jedi__> lol
[08:41] <kosh> osh_: that is why it depends on hardware
[08:42] <kosh> osh_: I have some hardware that is a ROYAL pain in the neck to get working with windows
[08:42] <jedi__> I havent succeed yet to hear music with my sound card audigy 2. but it works with my mother board integrated sound card
[08:42] <kosh> umm Tommy2k4 what video and sound hardware do you have and who made your box?
[08:43] <Tommy2k4> dell
[08:43] <Tommy2k4> i810 integrated gfx
[08:43] <kosh> jedi__: audigy2 support should just work, just disable your onboard sound card
[08:43] <jedi__> ,
[08:43] <Tommy2k4> probably ac97 audio but i doubt that has anything to do with it
[08:43] <jedi__> yeah but I dont know how< to disable it
[08:43] <Tommy2k4> i just pointed out that sound went off to prove that linux was crashing, not my monitor dying
[08:43] <kosh> jedi__: and then once you have disabled the onboard sound just turn the system back on and use kmix to set the mixer levels since the audigy2 will start off muted by default
[08:43] <Tommy2k4> audigy2 sucks
[08:44] <kosh> why do you say that?
[08:44] <kosh> I get perfect audio output on 7.1 channels, optical in and out etc on mine
[08:44] <jedi__> why it works perfectly!
[08:44] <Tommy2k4> i got incredibly better sound quality on integrated audio than i did on my audigy2
[08:44] <Tommy2k4> i always thought it was the speakers but i tried a diff pc and it was miles better
[08:44] <jedi__> funny
[08:44] <kosh> I have an audigy2 zs plat pro, better audio quality then anything else I have run into included all the built in stuff
[08:44] <Tommy2k4> could of been that the audigy was a few years old though but i dunno
[08:45] <kosh> Tommy2k4: let me guess you got things like pops and so forth in the audio?
[08:45] <Tommy2k4> no it just sucked at bass
[08:45] <Tommy2k4> i had to have the bass turned off in creative mixer
[08:46] <kosh> under windows you ran the speaker calibrator right and you know what the various bass settings and cutoff values are for right? ie all the stuff in the manual
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> kosh: Does it have balanced outputs ?
[08:46] <kosh> it is a very complex card to setup
[08:46] <Tommy2k4> yea
[08:46] <jedi__> noh anyway  I just migrate from suse to kubuntu and I ma pretty satisfied. I am still a newbie but kubuntu is cool
[08:46] <kosh> h3sp4wn: not sure what that means
[08:46] <Tommy2k4> it was only a 2 speaker setup
[08:46] <kosh> 2 speaker? then how can you have base?
[08:46] <jedi__> easy to set up
[08:47] <Tommy2k4> you can still hear bass on 2 speakers...
[08:47] <Tommy2k4> even on headphones
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> kosh: Outputs at pro audio levels as apposed to consumer grade
[08:47] <kosh> oh geeze that is not what I qualify as bass
[08:47] <kosh> I have used some monitor headphones and I can hear some fairly low tones on them but I would not qualify that as bass
[08:48] <Tommy2k4> and the fact that it couldnt handle bass on 2 speakers proves how bad it was
[08:48] <h3sp4wn> kosh: I have some active monitors that produce a huge amount of bass
[08:48] <kosh> no headphones or small two speaker system can make real bass since their cones are just not big enough
[08:48] <BKaj> kosh, I forced k3b to format ...seems to have worked but I won't know for sure cuz now it won't mount :)
[08:48] <BKaj> gonna check in wondows
[08:48] <kosh> BKaj: I don't think it it supposed to moutn if it is formatted, there is nothing on the disc
[08:49] <BKaj> BL
[08:49] <Bassetts> gah my highlight is off the scale
[08:50] <h3sp4wn> kosh: Monitor headphones are supposed to give a flat response you probably want DJ headphones if you want to emphasise the bass
[08:50] <kosh> I don't use headphones
[08:51] <kosh> I use a nice 7.1 speaker setup
[08:51] <kosh> headphones are okay but they can't produce the bass that a large sub can
[08:51] <kosh> they just can't drive those ranges
[08:51] <{R> Hi all
[08:51] <h3sp4wn> My monitors can produce alot of bass (but they weigh alot)
[08:52] <kosh> h3sp4wn: http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=205&product=9107&nav=compare
[08:52] <kosh> h3sp4wn: that is the audigy 2 zs plat pro stuff which is what I have
[08:53] <h3sp4wn> kosh: I have an m-audio delta 44 and an emu 0404 (I think emu is called creative professional these days)
[08:53] <kosh> h3sp4wn: http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=4&subcategory=113&product=9306  those are the speakers I have for it
[08:53] <Olly> someone can give me a hint how to reconfigure xorg using proprietary nvidia drivers? unfortunately wrecked my config, it seems. :/
[08:53] <kosh> h3sp4wn: I just like good sounding music and under windows for it to do all the eax stuff for games my profession is writing database software
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> kosh: Does the creative stuff still run internally at 48000 with no other clocks ?
[08:56] <kosh> h3sp4wn: not even a slight clue on that one
[08:56] <kosh> h3sp4wn: it sound good which is what mattered to me and it is supported under linux with all the features I needed
[09:04] <irielion> does anyone has experience with aragon ntfs for linux?
[09:04] <irielion> they claim it is totally safe, but is it?
[09:04] <irielion> i installed version 5.x
[09:04] <|lostbyte|> Hi, where can i find the grub splash of the current one ?
[09:04] <kosh> sorry no idea
[09:04] <v3ctor> i would use it with caution
[09:04] <Lil_Eagle> ntfs yes, not safe to write, just to read
[09:05] <irielion> but they say writing is no problem
[09:05] <irielion> im not talking about the open source one
[09:05] <Lil_Eagle> well, I would make a backup then try it.
[09:05] <BluesKaj> ack
[09:05] <rlj> how to i change the system language (including the $LANG variable)
[09:05] <rlj> ?
[09:05] <v3ctor> do they offer to restore your data for free if it corrputs?
[09:06] <Lil_Eagle> grub splash is in /boot/grub usually called mysplash.xpm.gz
[09:08] <irielion> v3ctor, no they don't i think
[09:09] <v3ctor> irielion: then make sure you have a good backup of the ntfs partition before testing
[09:09] <v3ctor> trust no one
[09:09] <chillfaktor> Bazzi: ...
[09:09] <irielion> yea i already mount one of my discs and it worked fine
[09:09] <irielion> but you never know later
[09:09] <BKaj> till trying to fix the drpped first letter prob
[09:09] <chillfaktor> o.O
[09:10] <BKaj> still
[09:10] <irielion> thats why i wanne know about the experience of other users...
[09:10] <irielion> but i read almost nothing about it
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> Why not use the fuse module ?
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> captive-ntfs (that is supposed to be ok)
[09:11] <kosh> personally I would not trust anything to write to ntfs correctly
[09:11] <kosh> last I checked it was not really documented anywhere so you are dealing with reverse engineered stuff to a format that microsoft has changed more then a few times
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> captive-ntfs uses ntfs.sys so works as well as that does (in the same way as ndis-wrapper)
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> (But I wouldn't use either)
[09:12] <kosh> that is assuming all the ntfs is in ntfs.sys
[09:12] <kosh> that is not a bet I would make on windows
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> I think if you do lose everything then maybe you won't bother reinstalling the junk
[09:13] <irielion> but the captive module seems to be quite slow
[09:13] <kosh> given what it is doing that would not surprise me
[09:13] <kosh> probably safer though
[09:13] <kosh> however if you want fast access why not use some other filesystem?
[09:13] <Bennner> hello, i need help with Apache, i installed it very well, configured httpd.conf, i start the server, when i type my adress, i get this error "FORBIDDEN You don't have permission to access / on this server" i tried sudo chmod 775 /home/server/dir but without luck
[09:13] <kosh> why do you need fast access to ntfs? the only time filesystem matters is on the same box pretty much
[09:13] <kosh> since over the network the filesystems are hidden
[09:14] <crimsun> (and slow as hades, I might add)
[09:14] <irielion> cuz... some time ago i switch back to windows for some time and i converted my music drive to ntfs cuz i hate FAT and winxp doesnt support the ext2/3 systems very well
[09:14] <irielion> i you guy know a file system that works almost as good under linux as under windows then tell me
[09:14] <crimsun> ext2fsd is what I use in XP
[09:14] <kosh> why do you hate fat32?
[09:15] <relix> let me guess:
[09:15] <BKaj> owdy
[09:15] <irielion> cuz it is old and really worst ineffient stuff it hink
[09:15] <kosh> ah so no real reason then
[09:15] <Lil_Eagle> Benner check .htaccess
[09:15] <relix> limit on filecount in 1 dir, max 4gb files, filenames that aren't unicdoed
[09:15] <relix> I've had problems with all three of them
[09:15] <kosh> ntfs comes from the os/2 days which was around windows 3.0
[09:15] <irielion> inefficient,, defragmeting etc, thx relix
[09:15] <irielion> unicode support
[09:15] <kosh> fat32 comes from around windows 98
[09:16] <irielion> what more fs does windows fully support?
[09:16] <irielion> nuthin i guess
[09:16] <Bennner> Lil_Eagle: .htaccess is a file or a line in a file?
[09:16] <irielion> hpfs?
[09:16] <relix> fat16, fat32, ntfs, cdfs (?)
[09:16] <irielion> yea that sucks
[09:16] <kosh> actually ntfs fragments worse then fat32 does and the inefficiency differs by less then 1% for music type fiels even on a many gb partition
[09:17] <kosh> ntfs was based on hpfs
[09:17] <holotone> Lil_Eagle: .htaccess is an independent file.
[09:17] <BKaj> NTFS= Nerver The Same File
[09:17] <Lil_Eagle> Benner:  file.  Check inside.  I've gotta run.  sorry can't help more.
[09:17] <irielion> but fat32 does support a partition size of 40 gB+
[09:18] <om__> is there a KDE aim and msn chat program that's better than Kopete?
[09:18] <irielion> nope
[09:18] <Bennner> ok thanks you anyways
[09:18] <om__> for some reason Kopete doesnt let me send files through msn
[09:18] <weihello> aim?
[09:18] <weihello> why not try aim
[09:18] <relix> om: yeah, I have the same problem
[09:18] <weihello> why not try gaim
[09:18] <relix> there's gaim
[09:19] <irielion> om__, cuz kopete uses reversed engineering and i will never work very unless you manage to emulate msn messenger
[09:19] <om__> do i need the gnome libs for gaim?
[09:19] <dereks> om__: nope
[09:19] <Bennner> where is that supose to be that .htaccess file ?
[09:19] <om__> oh ok cool
[09:19] <weihello> nope?  what does it mean?
[09:19] <dereks> om__: gaim-data (= 1:1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-1ubuntu10), libao2 (>= 0.8.6), libaspell15 (>= 0.60), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0), libgnutls12 (>= 1.2.5), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.2), libice6, liblaunchpad-integration0 (>= 0.0patch26), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libsm6, libstartup-notification0
[09:20] <BKaj> tf
[09:20] <om__> thanks!
[09:20] <kosh> fat32 max size is 8TB
[09:21] <kosh> the max practical size is about 127GB
[09:21] <Kr4t05> rofl
[09:21] <kosh> however windows won't create a fat32 filesystem larger then 32gb even though it can read and write it
[09:21] <Bennner> hello, i need help with Apache, i installed it very well, configured httpd.conf, i start the server, when i type my adress, i get this error "FORBIDDEN You don't have permission to access / on this server" i tried sudo chmod 775 /home/server/dir but without luck
[09:22] <kosh> it says in their docs that their tools will refuse to do it even though the filesystem is easily capable of it
[09:22] <uniq> kosh: isn't it 2TB ? max?
[09:22] <Kr4t05> This is why I'm going to format my music drive as Reiser. 8-)
[09:23] <kosh> uniq: nope I looked up the tech docs
[09:23] <weihello> how many songs have you......
[09:23] <uniq> kosh: ok, noted.
[09:23] <kosh> I juse use xfs right now but will probalby use ext3 next time
[09:23] <uniq> i use all ext3.
[09:24] <admiral_proFTW> same here
[09:24] <Kr4t05> weihello, I plan to break 5GB by the end of the week.
[09:24] <irielion> i prefer reiser, but that is even worst supported then ext2
[09:24] <kosh> reiser I have lost too much stuff with on reiserv3 and I won't touch reiserfsv4 for a long time
[09:24] <uniq> reiser has crashed on me a few times. no more chances.
[09:24] <kosh> xfs I have never lost anything with
[09:24] <kosh> however ext3 seems to get a lot more active work and it is simpler
[09:24] <admiral_proFTW> i never lost anything except using NTFS
[09:24] <Kr4t05> really? It worked fine with Breezy, when I used Reiser.
[09:25] <irielion> Kr4t05, i mean under windows, im sorry
[09:25] <Kr4t05> Oh
[09:25] <Kr4t05> Ok
[09:25] <uniq> zfs sounds wild. no more limits :)
[09:25] <irielion> Kr4t05, im more interested in 2 side compatibilties
[09:25] <Kr4t05> irielion, so was I. I just dumped Windows today
[09:25] <admiral_proFTW> Kr4t05, i did that a while back
[09:25] <heinkel_111> hello :)
[09:26] <Kr4t05> I'll go back to it when I start college, unless someone convinces me to try Vista.
[09:26] <admiral_proFTW> best decision i made for computing
[09:26] <admiral_proFTW> Kr4t05, vista sucks
[09:26] <irielion> Kr4t05, i have ran linux for like 5 years, but i need programs like google talk and msn and skype
[09:26] <Kr4t05> I'm comfortable enough with Linux now, that I really don't need Windows for anything other than gaming.
[09:26] <irielion> and gaming sometimes
[09:26] <Kr4t05> And, even then, if I can get Cegeda to work, I'll be set.
[09:27] <heinkel_111> my dapper does not seem to swap; according to ksyswatch...is this a problem or just somehting strange?
[09:27] <admiral_proFTW> Kr4t05, yea i dont really game anymore
[09:27] <admiral_proFTW> so i'm fine
[09:27] <admiral_proFTW> heinkel_111, technically you dont need a swap
[09:27] <Kr4t05> irielion, there is an ubuntu deb package for Skype.
[09:27] <admiral_proFTW> but under heavy loads, its handy
[09:27] <irielion> Kr4t05, the skype version sux
[09:27] <irielion> the linux skype version
[09:28] <heinkel_111> admiral_proFTW:  don't need it? but I have 5 Gb disk space assigned to it...shouldn't it improve system performance
[09:28] <Kr4t05> Well, there are also free alternatives.
[09:28] <heinkel_111> ?
[09:28] <Kr4t05> heinkel_111, how much RAM do you have?
[09:28] <Bennner> hello, i need help with Apache, i installed it very well, configured httpd.conf, i start the server, when i type my adress, i get this error "FORBIDDEN You don't have permission to access / on this server" i tried sudo chmod 775 /home/server/dir but without luck
[09:28] <heinkel_111> 2.5 Gb
[09:28] <uniq> heinkel_111: check 'cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness' - mine is 60, and then you could check 'cat /proc/swaps'
[09:28] <BKaj> f I can get the windows network printer to work I'll be fairly pleased with Kubuntu , but I have yet to come across adistro that I can config without much trouble and get results
[09:28] <Kr4t05> heinkel_111, Trust me, you don't need a swap
[09:29] <uniq> bennner: is there a index.php or index.html in the directory?
[09:29] <Kr4t05> heinkel_111, I have 1GB and I hardly use the swap.
[09:29] <admiral_proFTW> heinkel_111, if i'm not mistaken you use your swap after your RAM is used
[09:29] <heinkel_111> uniq:  :) what is the purpose of that file?
[09:29] <uniq> kr4t05: linux will be faster with swap. swap is recommended.
[09:29] <admiral_proFTW> similar to windows "virtual memory"
[09:29] <Kr4t05> uniq, yes. But, he has 2.5GB RAM.
[09:29] <uniq> kr4t05: doesn't matter, swap is recommended. :)
[09:29] <admiral_proFTW> like I said, under heavy loads, linux uses your swap to handle the system process
[09:30] <admiral_proFTW> uniq, yes but not required
[09:30] <Kr4t05> uniq, I wasn't saying he should disable swap.
[09:30] <Bennner> uniq: yes index.htm
[09:30] <heinkel_111> uniq: my cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness = 60
[09:30] <heinkel_111> what does this mean?
[09:30] <Kr4t05> uniq, I was merely stating that the system would use a swap partition.
[09:30] <Kr4t05> wouldn't*
[09:30] <BKaj> hmmm
[09:30] <uniq> bennner: check if index.htm is in DirectoryIndex directives in your apache config.
[09:30] <BKaj> mm
[09:30] <Kr4t05> Unless something is really eating his memory.
[09:30] <Kr4t05> I know what's recommended and not recommended. :)
[09:31] <Bennner> yes i added it manually, there's index.htm and index.html
[09:31] <irielion> Kr4t05, but whats the need for free alternatives if everyone uses skype
[09:31] <heinkel_111> i have noticecd some strange behavior from xorg lately
[09:31] <heinkel_111> and wondered if no swapping was part of the answer
[09:31] <admiral_proFTW> heinkel_111, no
[09:31] <Kr4t05> irielion, let me check
[09:31] <Kr4t05> irielion, better yet, check the repos. ;)
[09:31] <admiral_proFTW> oh i thought that was a question
[09:31] <uniq> heinkel_111: is /proc/swaps empty or is your swap partition active?
[09:31] <Fiya_werkin> hm, looks like kxdocker runs a bit slow over an nx desktop hehe
[09:31] <Kr4t05> irielion, "sudo apt-cache search VoIP
[09:32] <dein> hihi
[09:32] <Amduscias> Anyone here, who manged to install / compile the Nforce Audio Drivers? got some nifty problem here ;o)
[09:32] <dein> how do i get xfce functioning in kubuntu?
[09:32] <irielion> Kr4t05, what??? did you understand my question, everyone uses skype. All those programs are incompatible with skype
[09:32] <Bennner> uniq: is it possible this is because this is a fat32 mounted drive?
[09:32] <Amduscias> dein apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[09:32] <heinkel_111> uniq: it is completely empty...used 0
[09:32] <GullyFoyle> i wonder if katapult will run under fluxbox if i put it in ~/.fluxbox/startup
[09:32] <Amduscias> then in kdm select session xfce ;)
[09:32] <uniq> bennner: can www-data cd into /home and /home/server/dir?
[09:32] <dein> kk
[09:32] <Kr4t05> irielion, my mistake, I thought you meant a program that did what skype does.
[09:33] <dein> that wont override my kubuntu will it?
[09:33] <Kr4t05> irielion, I meant VoIP clients in genereal. :P
[09:33] <uniq> bennner: might be. if the umask is set to something that makes the file executeable :)
[09:33] <Amduscias> no it won'T harm anything
[09:33] <dein> k thanks
[09:33] <irielion> Kr4t05, yea there are enough alternatives like google talk (which is compatible with any other client cuz they use standard)
[09:34] <cotroler> what is the command to install gnome in kubuntu (which has kde)  pls??/
[09:34] <uniq> heinkel_111: as long as it's there, and has priority -1 it's all good.
[09:34] <uniq> cotroler: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:34] <Bennner> uniq: can www-data cd into /home and /home/server/dir? i dont understand what you mean
[09:34] <heinkel_111> ok, that is confirmed
[09:34] <cotroler> uniq tnx!!!
[09:34] <Kr4t05> irielion, right, I'm not sure. then. Just use Windows untill the Linux version of skype is better.
[09:34] <irielion> Kr4t05, yeap thats what i do
[09:34] <heinkel_111> duniq: does this mean dapper handles swap differently from breezy?
[09:35] <heinkel_111> uniq: does this mean dapper handles swap differently from breezy?
[09:35] <uniq> heinkel_111: shouldn't be big changes, i don't follow kerenl changes. dapper swapps here, though i have only 512M mem.
[09:35] <irielion> Kr4t05, anyhow i dont care to much about my computer no more, im not a nerd anymore, but i still got the knowlegde, nice for CV
[09:35] <Kr4t05> lol
[09:35] <zorglu1> hehe :)
[09:35] <heinkel_111> k...thanks uniq, you are very helpful :)
[09:36] <zorglu1> computer are for nerd! :)
[09:36] <Kr4t05> "nerd"
[09:36] <Kr4t05> Oi...
[09:36] <Kr4t05> Poor people.
[09:36] <kosh> swap is handled pretty much the same between breezy and dapper
[09:36] <cotroler> i don't know...just asking....is there any site which ofers video tutorials for kubuntu?
[09:36] <irielion> ow sorry people, face the truth
[09:36] <kosh> there are minor changes in how the kernel does things but not much
[09:36] <Kr4t05> cotroler, not that I've ever heard of.
[09:36] <zorglu1> irielion: hehe :)
[09:37] <irielion> hanging in the chatroom all day, well there are plenty of beautiful women outside that are waiting for you guys
[09:37] <irielion> while there are
[09:37] <cotroler> Kr4t05: k tnx anyway....i didn't find 2
[09:37] <kosh> if you want to do anything complex with a computer you need to know what you are doing
[09:37] <zorglu1> irielion: hehe :) you forgot the cliche 'get a life' to be fully complete :)
[09:37] <cotroler> btw how do you do a red text like you did Kr4t05  ?
[09:37] <admiral_proFTW> zorglu1, A nerd is you!
[09:38] <irielion> haha yea definately
[09:38] <Fiya_werkin> cotroler: think its red when someone uses your name in a line, to get your attention
[09:38] <cotroler> !register
[09:38] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:38] <irielion> in xchat it does
[09:38] <zorglu1> irielion: dont worry it is ok not to understand computers, a lot of people dont :)
[09:38] <cotroler> oh ic so t gets automatic...tnx m8
[09:39] <hsn_> is there gui editor for configuring services to run at startup?
[09:39] <irielion> zorglu1, i do understand computers... i have used linux for long time and i also did some programming... but i got other interests now ;)
[09:39] <kosh> hsn_: ksysv
[09:39] <uniq> hsn_: ksysv
[09:39] <Kr4t05> right...
[09:39] <Kr4t05> BRB
[09:39] <zorglu1> irielion: ok :)
[09:40] <kosh> I have run into lots of people that write software and don't really understand computers
[09:40] <kosh> thankfully fixing stuff pays fairly well
[09:40] <hsn_> what package is needed for ksysv? i don't have it
[09:40] <irielion> actually thats why i like (k)ubuntu, cuz it is usuable for people that dont care about their computer
[09:40] <uniq> hsn_: 'ksysv'
[09:40] <Fiya_werkin> kosh: i think most hardware people dont' like much to program, and vice versa
[09:40] <VonGeist> kosh: you just described half of my last job's programming department
[09:41] <irielion> and youre not breaking the law or wasting money on software that is exactly the same and free on linux
[09:41] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:41] <uniq> hsn_: it's in kdeadmin if that's what you mean.
[09:41] <irielion> like k3b vs nero
[09:41] <cotroler> i just registered my nick, how do i make it to auto login pls????
[09:41] <irielion> msg Nickserv Identify passwd
[09:41] <kosh> Fiya_werkin: most people that think of themselves are hardware people know less about hardware then they do about software
[09:42] <cotroler> irielion: do i have to type that everytime?
[09:42] <hsn_> what is default runlevel?
[09:42] <Fiya_werkin> kosh: you could insert almost any job description in that statement, not just hardware people :) and computers
[09:42] <irielion> cotroler, no which client do u use?
[09:42] <Tommy2k4> kubuntu crashed AGAIN
[09:43] <kosh> Fiya_werkin: that is true
[09:43] <Tommy2k4> at this rate ill have to go back to windows
[09:43] <cotroler> Konversation irielion
[09:43] <irielion> in xchat you go to server option
[09:43] <Fiya_werkin> kosh: not to mention, there's lots of different types of hardware
[09:43] <Tommy2k4> this time it happened while i was compiling something aswell :@
[09:43] <kosh> Tommy2k4: I think you have hardware problems
[09:43] <kosh> Tommy2k4: hmm crashing while compiling is usuing a memory problem
[09:43] <irielion> hmm i dont know exactly then, but check the setting for starting up the spec. channel
[09:43] <Fiya_werkin> kosh: someone may be good with desktops and not know a thing about mainframes
[09:43] <irielion> Tommy2k4, or you have a corrupted install
[09:43] <Tommy2k4> nah its happened many times while not compiling
[09:43] <irielion> Tommy2k4, how did you install?
[09:43] <cotroler> k tnx for now irielion
[09:43] <Tommy2k4> just a coincidence
[09:43] <irielion> cotroler, be free to ask help later
[09:44] <cotroler> tnx
[09:44] <irielion> Tommy2k4, how did you install?
[09:44] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: take a 'rescuecd' and test your memory. it is called memtest86 from memory
[09:44] <kosh> actually Tommy2k4 I think you should run memtest86+ on your system
[09:44] <Tommy2k4> ive did memtest86 before
[09:44] <Tommy2k4> no errors
[09:44] <kosh> then the problem is some other piece of hardware
[09:44] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: no /var/log/messages stuff ?
[09:44] <Tommy2k4> the crashes are much more often than before i did the memtest thogh
[09:44] <admiral_proFTW> Tommy2k4, What are you doing when it crashes
[09:45] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: the point is crashing on well configured box is very rare
[09:45] <kosh> admiral_proFTW: he has had it crash on everything from playing music to compiling
[09:45] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: so the goal is to findout where is the issue :)
[09:45] <admiral_proFTW> dang
[09:45] <zorglu1> kosh: maybe some issue with a driver too
[09:45] <admiral_proFTW> might try running a few comand line apps ond looking for an error
[09:46] <kosh> it could be a driver but those usually work well unless the hardware is bad
[09:46] <admiral_proFTW> what is the carsh exactly
[09:46] <kosh> however it could easily be temperature
[09:46] <VonGeist> could be overheating
[09:46] <kosh> or power supply
[09:46] <Tommy2k4> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204080 i explain about it there
[09:46] <VonGeist> lol, great minds think alike, kosh
[09:46] <admiral_proFTW> try running it in recovery mode
[09:46] <kosh> Tommy2k4: you said it is a dell, have you added ANY hardware to the box beyond what it shipped with?
[09:46] <Tommy2k4> nope
[09:46] <admiral_proFTW> Tommy2k4, you might have to reconfigure X
[09:46] <kosh> ok
[09:47] <kosh> I just know that last I checked dell shipped very borderline power supplies and systems with barely adequate cooling
[09:47] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: hue ? what do you mean ? crashing = X window issue ?
[09:47] <zorglu1> ok some definition bug :)
[09:47] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: you didnt have a talk about you using a ATI card ?
[09:47] <Tommy2k4> nope integrated
[09:47] <Tommy2k4> i810
[09:48] <admiral_proFTW> wait you did
[09:48] <Tommy2k4> ive already reconfigured xorg.conf today
[09:48] <kosh> sometimes I wish you could not even ship intergrated graphics cards
[09:48] <admiral_proFTW> kosh, i've had no problem with heat or power on any dells i've worked with
[09:48] <zorglu1> ohhh acpi ? apm ?
[09:48] <zorglu1> this will messup the monitor
[09:48] <kosh> they are cheaper but the ones that share with main memory are not very good
[09:48] <Tommy2k4> this dell is a few years old
[09:48] <admiral_proFTW> Tommy2k4, yea i just read that
[09:49] <admiral_proFTW> Tommy2k4, you try recovery mode?
[09:49] <Tommy2k4> nope
[09:49] <kosh> admiral_proFTW: that is why I said barely adequate, if you don't change anything int he box you are usually ok, if you add anything you will usually push it over
[09:49] <Tommy2k4> i dont see how it will help though because its not a crash i can cause
[09:49] <Tommy2k4> it happens randomly after ive been booted up for a while
[09:49] <admiral_proFTW> kosh, I've added TV tuners, graphics cards, etc
[09:49] <visik7> any australian here :)
[09:50] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: ok next time it happens try to 'press capslock on and off and see if the leds changes'
[09:50] <Tommy2k4> it changes with num lock
[09:50] <Tommy2k4> i presume caps lock will be the same
[09:50] <unix_infidel> hey guys, i'm looking for a way to get a flux keybind to map to a click action.  I've already got flux keybinds to move the mouse cursor, but i havent been able to find a program that allows me to simulate a click action right below where the current cursor position is.
[09:50] <kosh> so the system itself is not locked up then
[09:51] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: oh so the kernel is still alive
[09:51] <Tommy2k4> but music stops playing
[09:51] <LiteHedded> i have a scsi adapter how do I see if it's supported?
[09:51] <unix_infidel> So far i've been able to get xwit to raise and focus the window, and that works well for terms and such.
[09:51] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: which program do you use for playing music ?
[09:51] <unix_infidel> But i havent been able to get any program to emulate or do native X click action.
[09:51] <Tommy2k4> xmms atm
[09:51] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: a graphical one ?
[09:51] <Tommy2k4> because amarok crashes when i try to play wma
[09:51] <Tommy2k4> i guess i should also point out
[09:52] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: can you reproduce the 'crash' ?
[09:52] <Tommy2k4> you know i said theres lots of vertical lines before the frequency error
[09:52] <kosh> unix_infidel: you know that kde has mouse emulation with a keyboard built in right?
[09:52] <LiteHedded> anyone?
[09:52] <Tommy2k4> the music doesnt stop until the frequency error comes up
[09:52] <admiral_proFTW> you can configure it to amarok to work
[09:52] <Tommy2k4> no zorglu1 it happens randomly
[09:52] <kosh> that doesn't make sense, why would the onboard video card send a corrupted signal to the monitor under the light load of a media playing application
[09:52] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: the frequency stuff smell like a low level issue with the video card
[09:53] <kosh> zorglu1: that is why I said hardware issue, heat or power supply :)
[09:53] <Kr4t05> I'm trying to install Cedega from CVS, and all it does is spam me...
[09:53] <Tommy2k4> its happened 3 times in a row because of taking a screenshot
[09:53] <unix_infidel> kosh: i dont use kde i use flux.
[09:53] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: have you tried to use 'fb' as video ?
[09:53] <Tommy2k4> the past 2 times i wasnt take a screeny though
[09:53] <Tommy2k4> fb
[09:53] <Tommy2k4> ?
[09:53] <unix_infidel> is it daemon dependent to where i can use it that way?
[09:53] <kosh> unix_infidel: ah don't know then, but you are in a kde channel :)
[09:53] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: this is a way to access the grapahical card via standard stuff (but slow one)
[09:54] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: it is fails with 'fb' too, we can say 'ok this is not the video driver'
[09:54] <Tommy2k4> how do i try it
[09:54] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: i dunno :) this is a conjonction of boot option and X config. i dont use ubuntu i cant say :)
[09:55] <Tommy2k4> fb = ?
[09:55] <Tommy2k4> framebuffer?
[09:55] <kosh> zorglu1: that configures the same in every dist, same kernel options and same xorg.conf options
[09:55] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: another thing, (i) play the sound via a pure text stuff to test (ii) try to find a way to reproduce the thing
[09:55] <kosh> however I don't use it
[09:55] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: yep framebuffer
[09:56] <Tommy2k4> i remember an option about that when reconfiguring xorg today
[09:56] <Tommy2k4> should i reconfigure it with it turned off
[09:56] <Tommy2k4> and maybe i should dedidate some ram to the video chip
[09:56] <Tommy2k4> dedicate*
[09:56] <negocio> is another DOS emulator like dosbox?
[09:56] <kosh> Tommy2k4: umm how is it running now? it doesn't have dedicated ram?
[09:56] <Tommy2k4> shared probably?
[09:57] <Tommy2k4> dont all (older?) integrated chips use shared memory
[09:57] <biffhero> shared memory is a new thing.  it used to only come on the video card.
[09:57] <kosh> I suspect that almost none have any dedicated memory, at least not the way that term is usually ment
[09:57] <biffhero> 128k, 1M, 2M, 4M, 8M
[09:58] <kosh> biffhero: it is not a new thing at least not very new, these embedded video cards which shared memory with main ram have been around for around 10 years now
[09:58] <kosh> biffhero: they still suck just as much now as they did then
[09:58] <kosh> it is sad that you can usally pick up a $30 video card and end up with something 10x faster and more stable
[09:58] <crimsun> try attaching a $30 video card to a laptop =)
[09:59] <nixternal> haha
[09:59] <kosh> actually some of the higher end laptops now have upgradeable video cards
[09:59] <cps1966> crimsun: get an alienware
[09:59] <kosh> there are even some laptops and have an sli nvidia 7900s series cards
[09:59] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: another thing, next time it crash, back up the /var/log/messagee file, and have an experienced guy to look at it.
[09:59] <crimsun> heh
[09:59] <Jack_Sparrow> what program do I use to play dvd's I instaled okle it openes the first screen of the dvd then it ll shuts down.
[09:59] <BKaj> onder if this works now
[10:00] <Tommy2k4> i have /var/log/messages open now
[10:00] <kosh> Jack_Sparrow: I usually use kaffeine
[10:00] <crimsun> I like this Canonical-sponsored ThinkPad X41-2527 just the way it is
[10:00] <Jack_Sparrow> I will try that thanks
[10:00] <kosh> crimsun: overall though I hate laptops
[10:00] <crimsun> kosh: I used to be the same way
[10:00] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: dump it in a paste bin. i go for a smoke and be back
[10:00] <kosh> crimsun: too slow,  not enough screen realastate, not enough ram etc
[10:00] <Chozabu> man, id love to have any kinda laptop
[10:01] <crimsun> then I started travelling for work, and lugging a minitower just doesn't cut it
[10:01] <kosh> I don't travel around
[10:01] <Chozabu> id be ok with a 100 mhz, 64 mb ram heap...
[10:01] <crimsun> Chozabu: not with KDE you wouldn't.
[10:01] <Chozabu> crimsun, i so would! i can bring a book with me :)
[10:02] <BKaj> any ideas why I'm losing the first letter of each sentence? I have to hit the space bar in order to get it to show ... *V*
[10:02] <kosh> I have 2G of ram right now and I probably need close to 4-6 so my next box will have 8G
[10:02] <Chozabu> woah
[10:02] <BKaj> why so much ?
[10:02] <Tommy2k4> /var/log/messages is huge
[10:02] <Chozabu> i have 512 megs
[10:02] <Chozabu> next box will be 1-4 gigs
[10:02] <kosh> I write custom database stuff
[10:03] <Tommy2k4> Jun 26 19:38:33 tommy-linux syslogd 1.4.1#17ubuntu7: restart.
[10:03] <kosh> heck I have 4 monitors right now 2 19 and 2 17 and I plan to upgrade to 4 30s
[10:03] <Tommy2k4> does it say restart in the message log after i reboot?
[10:03] <kosh> when tests take hours to run it is easy to justify a vastly more powerful machine
[10:03] <kosh> since you get a lot more work done in a day, so you get the contracts done faster etc
[10:04] <dein> hi
[10:04] <Chozabu> when you CBA to get a job, its hard to justifiy a powerful machine, but it is very relaxing :
[10:04] <Chozabu> :)
[10:04] <Nirvana> #kubuntu-offtopic guys.... and speaking of RAM, how can I put some RAM in an old laptop with 192mb? I know where it goes, but I don't know how to remove the old RAM to put the new stuff in, it seems like it's glue in there.
[10:04] <Chozabu> saving up from part time jobs a lil
[10:04] <Chozabu> haha, sorry
[10:04] <dein> i installed xubuntu-desktop, and ran xfce, but the panels are missing from it
[10:05] <dein> any idea what's wrong?
[10:05] <kosh> CBA?
[10:05] <kosh> Nirvana: you probably can't
[10:05] <Chozabu> CBA=CantBeArsed...
[10:05] <Tommy2k4> Nirvana,  maybe there's some clips to either side of it
[10:05] <Nirvana> maybe time to take a picture?
[10:06] <Nirvana> this computer was refurished by a friend of my parents
[10:06] <Nirvana> he added 64mb/ram to the existing 128, so there must be a way
[10:07] <crimsun> dein: from Kubuntu?
[10:07] <dein> yes
[10:07] <Tommy2k4> if all fails just force it out :p
[10:07] <crimsun> dein: you're lucky Xfce even started successfully. Did you move ~/.gtkrc-2.0 out of the way?
[10:07] <dein> ????????
[10:07] <dein> no
[10:07] <Tommy2k4> does "syslogd 1.4.1#17ubuntu7: restart." get added to /var/log/messages while booting up instead of while shutting down?
[10:08] <dein> i dont have a .gtkrc in my home folder
[10:08] <crimsun> dein: ~/.gtkrc-2.0, not ~/.gtkrc
[10:09] <dein> i dont have either
[10:09] <dein> last .g file is /.gstreamer-0.10
[10:10] <dein> should i install gtkrc-2.0?
[10:10] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: do 'uname -r' to get the kernel version
[10:10] <Tommy2k4> 2.6.15-25-386
[10:11] <Tommy2k4> does "syslogd 1.4.1#17ubuntu7: restart." get added to /var/log/messages while booting up instead of while shutting down?
[10:11] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: then grep for this number in the /var/log/messages, it got added each time a kernel boot
[10:11] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: i think it is when shutting down
[10:11] <biffhero> tommy: what is the timestamp on it?  is it close to the time that the other stuff got added?
[10:11] <biffhero> tommy2k4: i also presume it is when shuting down.
[10:11] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: yep the timestamp will help you
[10:11] <dein> can anyone help?
[10:11] <Tommy2k4> from the timestamp and the stuff that gets added after makes me think its while booting up
[10:12] <svivian> Has anyone else noticed that some major packages in Dapper install fine, but never show up on the k menu?
[10:12] <Tommy2k4> even after reboot?
[10:12] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: ok dump the stuff then
[10:12] <svivian> I just installed GIMP and Dia, and neither one shows up in the menu. Xscreensaver did the same thing.
[10:13] <Tommy2k4> k ill just do the stuff after the last rebot
[10:13] <Tommy2k4> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16569
[10:14] <Tommy2k4> 20:40:15 must be when i boot after the crash
[10:14] <Tommy2k4> as u can see theres no errors before/during the crash
[10:15] <Tommy2k4> ignoring the smb errors that is
[10:15] <negocio> i need to run dos programs
[10:16] <pike_> dosbox?
[10:16] <negocio> i try it but need another
[10:16] <biffhero> freedos
[10:16] <negocio> where i get it?
[10:17] <BKaj> ack
[10:17] <BKaj> godamn this pisses me off ! WTF is with this ?
[10:17] <svivian> BKaj: What's going on?
[10:18] <negocio> i need another
[10:18] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: SET: Misaligned resource pointer: seems to be related to acpi, you should try the kernel boot option which are 'safer'
[10:19] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: keeping looking at your messages
[10:19] <BKaj> I have to hit the sapcebar before I begin typing in this client or the first letter is dropped
[10:19] <negocio> i try vmware but it doesnt run on my machine
[10:19] <BKaj> spacebar
[10:19] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: safer = noacpi noapm etc...
[10:19] <negocio> please need help
[10:19] <Kr4t05> !mp3
[10:19] <BKaj> xchat works ok , but I prefer this
[10:19] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:19] <negocio> im using acctually dosbox, but its slowly
[10:20] <negocio> i need another one
[10:20] <svivian> BKaj: This being Konversation?
[10:20] <BKaj> yes svivian
[10:20] <Tommy2k4> kernel boot option? is that on the grub menu where i can choose to boot into windows
[10:21] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: yep i dont see anything that bad in it. so if i where you i would try to boot with 'safer' boot option
[10:21] <Tommy2k4> kkj
[10:21] <BKaj> I made some changes to my keyboard
[10:21] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: yep the boot option have to be set in grub menu
[10:21] <negocio> how can i speed up my kubuntu
[10:22] <negocio> i have a k6 350 and 256ram
[10:22] <Tommy2k4> k ill reboot into kernel mode
[10:22] <pike_> negocio: install xubuntu? :)
[10:22] <negocio> i try it
[10:22] <Tommy2k4> then ill try to compile amarok 1.4.1 since it crashed during compile last time
[10:22] <BKaj> ow
[10:22] <negocio> but it have a bad translation
[10:22] <omeow> Still the same problem, Tommy2k4? =/
[10:22] <om_> how do i check how much space i have left on my hdd?
[10:22] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-185070.html seems related
[10:22] <pike_> om_: df -h
[10:22] <cps1966> df
[10:22] <om_> thanks!
[10:23] <negocio> pike, i try but i speak spanish, and xfce have a bad trasnlation
[10:23] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: he did noacpi
[10:23] <omeow> om_: You could also refer to kinfocenter
[10:23] <negocio> how can i disable starting services to speed up my kubuntu
[10:23] <negocio> i love kubuntu
[10:23] <Kr4t05> amarok won't play MP3s, and I have libxine-extracodecs
[10:24] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> i think u need to install something like lame-dev
[10:25] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> i think thats what the lib is called
[10:25] <Tommy2k4> zorglu1, so i need to add a --noacpi option to grub.conf (if one doesnt exist already)
[10:26] <Kr4t05> liblame-dev
[10:26] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: unsure about the way to add it
[10:26] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: booting my ubuntu to watch :)
[10:26] <Tommy2k4> wheres grub.conf
[10:26] <cps1966> Tommy2k4: in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:26] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: /boot/grub
[10:27] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> negocio: run kcontrol go to system admininst / system services
[10:27] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: apparently the last kernel seems to have issue as you are clearly not the only one to have this issue
[10:28] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: you may try another kernel, an older one, maybe
[10:28] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> what issues
[10:28] <zorglu1> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: random freeze http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-185070.html
[10:29] <svivian> Has anyone else noticed that some major packages in Dapper install fine, but never show up on the k menu?
[10:29] <Tommy2k4> in my menu.lst there is 2 kernels, kernel 2.6.15-25-386 and kernel 2.6.15-23-386
[10:29] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> possibly on some systems , its been working well on my system
[10:29] <negocio> where is kcontrol
[10:29] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> alt+F2 , type kcontrol ,hit enter
[10:30] <Tommy2k4> would the -23 be old enough to make a difference zorglu1 ?
[10:30] <Kr4t05> amarok still will not play MP3s with libxine-extracodecs or liblame-dev
[10:30] <negocio> ok, i found it
[10:30] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: ok in my kubuntu /boot/grub/menu.lst i have a line looking like "# kport=...... acpi=offf noapic nolacpi"
[10:30] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: dunno it doesnt hurt to try :)
[10:31] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: acpi=off i meant
[10:31] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Kr4t05: are u using the default install amarok?
[10:31] <Kr4t05> yes.
[10:31] <Tommy2k4> mine doesnt have that
[10:31] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: add the "acpi=off noapic nolapic" at the end of you kopt line
[10:31] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> !mp3
[10:31] <word> zorglu1: That line is commented out
[10:31] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:31] <Kr4t05> n0tcuRnaL, I've done that already
[10:32] <edu> Hey guys, i have a problem about kiomodules :-S
[10:32] <zorglu1> word: this seems like a script parsing those
[10:33] <word> zorglu1: If it is it's a bug in the script not a problem in the menus.list
[10:33] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: if you dont have those kopt stuff, add that directly at the end of the line 'kernel /root/vmlinuz.....'
[10:34] <zorglu1> word: you didnt follow the whole discusion, did you ? :)
[10:34] <Tommy2k4> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-25-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash noacpi
[10:34] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: yep that the one
[10:34] <Tommy2k4> oki
[10:34] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: append 'acpi=off noapic nolapic'
[10:34] <negocio> ok i get it
[10:34] <negocio> now
[10:34] <negocio> i have a problem
[10:34] <edu> i have a problem that says "the module screen couldn't been loaded" does anyone know how to fix it?
[10:35] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: when you will reboot, grub can let you display the boot option, check there are there
[10:36] <Tommy2k4> ok so it says
[10:36] <Tommy2k4> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-25-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash apci=off noapic nolapic
[10:36] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> Kr4t05:i istalled the extra codecs and the lame-dev , then i compiled the 141beta , it works well, not sure whats wrong with ur player , does it play anything?
[10:37] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: acpi=off and not apci=off :)
[10:37] <Tommy2k4> oki
[10:37] <Fiya_werkin> hey has anyone used e17 on dapper?
[10:37] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: while at it, do it for both kernel
[10:37] <Tommy2k4> i should also point out that both kernels have a recovery mode aswell
[10:38] <Tommy2k4> recovery doesnt say "quiet splash" just says single
[10:38] <word> zorglu1: Nope and i'm just waking up :D
[10:38] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: yep those you dont care. the 'single' mode is only for very low level recovery
[10:38] <Tommy2k4> k
[10:38] <mauz> se
[10:38] <Tommy2k4> k time to reoot
[10:39] <Tommy2k4> reboot*
[10:39] <Tommy2k4> will i notice anything different in noacpi mode
[10:39] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: ok dont forget to check the boot option in grub
[10:39] <Tommy2k4> ya
[10:39] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: nope, but lets hope the SET: Misaligned resource pointer will disapears from /var/log/messages
[10:40] <Tommy2k4> k
[10:40] <Tommy2k4> bye xx
[10:40] <zorglu1> hope i see you agin :)
[10:40] <Tommy2k4> me too lol
[10:45] <Tommy2k4> well i survived
[10:46] <zorglu1> so ?
[10:47] <Tommy2k4> what error am i meant to be looking for again the the log?
[10:47] <negocio> i need to run a Dos program, i try dosbox, but its slowly, how about another to run foxpro for DOS?
[10:47] <zorglu1>           Misaligned Resource Pointer <- Tommy2k4
[10:48] <zorglu1> negocio: tryied qemu ? i never used it but it is known to be stable and like 1-2time the native speed
[10:48] <edu> how can i delete a module? :-O
[10:48] <Tommy2k4> nope its gone :D
[10:49] <Tommy2k4> nothing about acpi at all in the log now
[10:49] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: ok now you wait and pray for 'not hanging' moment :()
[10:49] <Tommy2k4> yep
[10:50] <Tommy2k4> how can i stop this bluetooth stuff from coming on when i bootup
[10:50] <Tommy2k4> cos i dont have bluetooth in this pc and i never will
[10:50] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: dunno . i have this too
[10:51] <zorglu1> edu: i guess you mean unload a kernel module, do 'sudo rmmod your_module_name'
[10:52] <negocio> whre i get qemu
[10:52] <zorglu1> !qemu
[10:52] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[10:52] <zorglu1> see you can even run xp :)
[10:52] <Tommy2k4> time to try and compile amarok again
[10:53] <zorglu1> yep stress the beast and see how it move :)
[10:53] <negocio> ok, thanks
[10:54] <negocio> im tring it
[10:57] <DaSkreech> zorglu1: It' runs twice as fast as native speed?
[10:57] <mauz> WTF
[10:58] <mauz> Amarok Crash
[10:58] <Tommy2k4> amarok crashes whenever i try to play a wma
[10:58] <Tommy2k4> it played wma fine until i upgaded to 1.4
[10:58] <Tommy2k4> same engine, same output
[11:01] <zorglu1> DaSkreech: nope twice slower
[11:01] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: #amarok will help you on this one :)
[11:01] <DaSkreech> zorglu1: so it's 1-.5 times as fast
[11:01] <Tommy2k4> i wish
[11:01] <Tommy2k4> ive tried there loads of times
[11:01] <Tommy2k4> and they have that dumb bot
[11:01] <Tommy2k4> ima try compiling 1.4.1 beta see if that fixes it
[11:01] <zorglu1> Tommy2k4: ok
[11:03] <mauz> Use Kaffeine
[11:08] <thompa> hi, I cant seem to use qsynaptics anymore
[11:08] <thompa> it worked fine before to disable touchpad, now all is grayed out
[11:10] <thompa> it says synaptic touchpad driver not installed, but i never uninstalled it
[11:10] <scott_> what do you guys think of krusader? should i ditch conquerer for it?
[11:10] <mathio> hello, i have problems installing kubuntu on laptop
[11:10] <mathio> it just stucks when clicking on "install" icon on desktop
[11:11] <mathio> the CD  drive is still reading CD but nothing happens
[11:11] <mathio> anyone experienced similar problems yet?
[11:11] <scott_> did it happen after partitioning?
[11:11] <driz> its going to be slow
[11:11] <driz> oops sorry
[11:12] <mathio> no, i just inserted live cd - it loaded ant now its stuck
[11:13] <mathio> i cant even move cursor... now the "install" disapered (after about half an hour)
[11:14] <mathio> is it possible my laptop isnt supported by kubuntu? compaq armada with intel celeron
[11:15] <mathio> omg noone can help me on this? :(
[11:16] <driz> the CD will be slow let it seat for a couple minutes
[11:16] <driz> then try the install again
[11:17] <mathio> it is running for half an hour :(
[11:17] <mathio> can i install kubuntu via LAN or from USB?
[11:18] <driz> from USB ya
[11:18] <mathio> how?
[11:18] <driz> you'll have to google it
[11:18] <driz> i forgot the link
[11:18] <mathio> okay
[11:19] <relix> is it possible to install linux first, and after that install windows?
[11:19] <relix> on a differint partition
[11:19] <Hawkwind> Anything is possible, but it sure is difficult to install Windows last
[11:19] <scott_> easier to do other way round
[11:19] <relix> I've heard stories of windows ruining the linux's installed
[11:19] <Hawkwind> Best to install it first by all means
[11:20] <relix> awww, ok then ;)
[11:20] <Tommy2k4> amarok still crashing with 1.4.1 when i open a wma :(
[11:21] <omeow> Tommy2k4: which wma file are you trying to play?
[11:21] <Tommy2k4> any
[11:21] <omeow> Got a link?
[11:21] <scott_> Tommy2k4: you got correct codecs installed?
[11:21] <Tommy2k4> nope
[11:21] <Tommy2k4> yep
[11:21] <Tommy2k4> cos it played fine before i upgraded to 1.4
[11:21] <scott_> might be a bug in 1.4
[11:22] <Tommy2k4> well its still in 1.4.1 beta then
[11:22] <scott_> still very much beta software iirc
[11:22] <Tommy2k4> 1.4 is stable
[11:22] <Tommy2k4> 1.4.1 is beta
[11:22] <scott_> :O
[11:22] <Tommy2k4> i tried the beta to see if it fixed the bug but it didnt
[11:22] <scott_> thought 1.4 was still beta :)
[11:22] <scott_> :(
[11:22] <driz> lol
[11:23] <leigh_> help
[11:23] <leigh_> help
[11:23] <leigh_> help
[11:23] <leigh_> help
[11:23] <leigh_> help
[11:23] <driz> stop SPAMMING!!!
[11:23] <Hawkwind> leigh_: Please stop
[11:23] <Hawkwind> leigh_: Just ask your question
[11:23] <BKaj> howdy
[11:24] <cps1966> call 911 for help
[11:24] <BKaj> works fer me :)
[11:24] <leigh_> i live in the uk so i'll have to use 999
[11:24] <driz> ok
[11:24] <scott_> leigh stop givin us uk'ers a bad name ;)
[11:24] <leigh_> yeah i am
[11:25] <BKaj> too late scott_
[11:25] <scott_> hehe7
[11:25] <leigh_> who has kubuntu installed?
[11:25] <scott_> me
[11:25] <driz> all of us i presume
[11:25] <driz> me
[11:26] <leigh_> some may have ubuntu
[11:26] <BKaj> has anyone been able to use the latest K3b vers in Kubuntu 6.06 AMD64?
[11:26] <leigh_> what do you gusy think of it?
[11:26] <leigh_> i have
[11:27] <leigh_> i got k3b v0.12.14
[11:27] <scott_> kubuntu > ubuntu4
[11:27] <BKaj> I have it as well, not too bad except for the dvd codecs and  I haven'y even tried dvd shrink yet :)
[11:27] <scott_> installs less programs and is just generally nicer
[11:27] <driz> I haven't need blank CDs and a files to burn
[11:27] <leigh_> i agree scott
[11:28] <BKaj> leigh_: in kubuntu ?
[11:28] <leigh_> yes i am
[11:28] <driz> hungry BRB
[11:29] <BKaj> how about the latest one leigh_?
[11:29] <Fiya_werkin> you can use gnome apps and kde apps in the other environment as long as everythings installed right?
[11:29] <leigh_>  i got k3b v0.12.14
[11:30] <Fiya_werkin> or will only some work
[11:30] <leigh_> i used pakage managemewnt to install it
[11:30] <Hawkwind> All should work fine
[11:30] <jeff_> how can I have the login screen show all the users, ike XP
[11:30] <Fiya_werkin> so is there anything bad about installing ubuntu-desktop from kubuntu or vice versa, other than filesystem space?
[11:30] <leigh_> you don't want it to look like xp
[11:30] <jeff_> be back WC going to PK's
[11:31] <BKaj> yeah I tried to get pkgmngmnt to do the 12.16 , but no luck
[11:31] <ZomMes> hello
[11:31] <ZomMes> can i ask something
[11:31] <ZomMes> ?
[11:31] <leigh_> if you like kde go with kubuntu, if u like gnome go with ubuntu
[11:31] <DaSkreech> !ask
[11:31] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:32] <ZomMes> :)
[11:32] <hccmqqr> hello!
[11:32] <ZomMes> ok, how do i share files with windows users on an easy way?
[11:32] <leigh_> samba
[11:32] <ZomMes> ok
[11:33] <hccmqqr> could somebody help me? i have kubuntu dapper on my computer, but i can't get dualscreen work?
[11:33] <ZomMes> is there a x version of it?
[11:33] <BKaj>  <---not a gnome fan
[11:33] <ZomMes> i use kubuntu of course
[11:33] <hccmqqr> kde<3
[11:33] <leigh_> kubuntu ownz
[11:33] <hccmqqr> has anyone of you got dualscreen work on kubuntu?
[11:33] <driz> Kubuntu ROX
[11:34] <leigh_> i have to option for a dual screen to work but have not tried it as i only have one screen
[11:34] <hccmqqr> :\
[11:34] <e0f> hello everybody, I have ubuntu dapper and Intel ipw3945. Everything works ok but when I try to use Kismet it gives me "unknown capture source type ipw3945 in source ipw3945,eth1,ipw3945" . Do you have some hints for me? Thanks very much
[11:34] <hccmqqr> could somebody please help?
[11:35] <gatekeeper> ZomMes: this is what I did after installing samba:
[11:35] <gatekeeper> Select System Settings->Sharing (Internet & Network section).
[11:35] <gatekeeper> Select File Sharing and 'add a folder', use the UI to quickly configure.
[11:35] <robotgeek> hccmqqr: hmm, twin view. nope
[11:35] <driz> !ask
[11:35] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:35] <holotone> This is probably a stupid question, but why can I find democracyplayer via apt-get, but not Adept? I was under the impression that Adept was simply a GUI for apt-get? Even with all repos enabled in Adept, I can still find quite a bit of stuff via apt-get that isn't available in adept.
[11:36] <ZomMes> gatekeeper, and then they can connect to it with my ip i guess?
[11:36] <hccmqqr> :\
[11:36] <robotgeek> hccmqqr: no, that is incorrect
[11:36] <hccmqqr> ?
[11:36] <gatekeeper> ZomMes: probable :-)
[11:37] <Tommy2k4> FFS
[11:37] <Tommy2k4> kubuntu crashed for 6th time today
[11:37] <gatekeeper> ZomMes: you are not going to share your PC on the internet are you?
[11:38] <jedi__> hi again
[11:38] <holotone> any ideas?
[11:38] <gatekeeper> holotone: I use the cli and synaptic, don't like Adept
[11:38] <Tommy2k4> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204080 please help
[11:39] <holotone> gatekeeper: Is there a reason that I wouldn't be able to see some packages via Adept?
[11:40] <Tommy2k4> enable the extra repositories
[11:40] <holotone> Doesn't Adept & apt-get use the same sources.list?
[11:40] <gatekeeper> holotone: not really sure, I don't really use it, to me synaptic is much better
[11:40] <holotone> I can see democracyplayer via apt-get, but not adept
[11:40] <jeff_> ok, im back how can I get login to show all users with an icon
[11:40] <holotone> Ok, I'll check into synaptic.
[11:40] <BKaj> some distros don't have synaptic
[11:41] <gatekeeper> holotone: yes Adept / Synaptic / apt all use the same list
[11:41] <jedi__> I got a major crash while dl the java packages
[11:41] <Tommy2k4> if kubuntu keeps crashing im gonna have to go back to windows :(
[11:41] <holotone> weird.
[11:41] <driz> NOOOOOO!!!!
[11:41] <holotone> if life doesn't get better, I"m going to have to go back to jesus.
[11:41] <hccmqqr> huoh
[11:41] <driz> lol
[11:42] <jedi__> on the way of reinstalling adept  i lost the adept updater
[11:42] <ZomMes> gatekeeper: no i just want to share it with a friend in the same house through the router
[11:42] <jedi__> , cant put i back
[11:42] <Skizzo21> Hey everyone I just installed kubuntu but i cant get on to the internet
[11:43] <jeff_> ???
[11:43] <jedi__> how come??
[11:43] <Skizzo21> haha no clue
[11:43] <jedi__> you are chatting
[11:43] <Skizzo21> i was hopin u guys would no
[11:43] <Skizzo21> haha
[11:43] <Skizzo21> i have lots of computer
[11:43] <Skizzo21> s
[11:43] <gatekeeper> ZomMes: that's ok :-)
[11:43] <Skizzo21> ive never used linux before :'(
[11:43] <DaSkreech> Skizzo21: How do you get onto the internet?
[11:43] <jeff_> I'll ask again
[11:44] <Skizzo21> through a router
[11:44] <holotone> Skizzo21:  are you trying to connect via wireless or ethernet?
[11:44] <Skizzo21> ethernet
[11:44] <jeff_> how do i get all user to show on login scren
[11:44] <jedi__> hey but how come you can chat with us??? and cant go on the net....
[11:44] <Skizzo21> because i have a router and im on my windows computer ;-)
[11:44] <jedi__> right
[11:45] <jedi__> do you have ethernet  on you linux cmp?
[11:45] <Skizzo21> yea
[11:45] <jedi__> computer
[11:45] <Skizzo21> its connected right now
[11:45] <jedi__> ok
[11:45] <relix> so... how big a partition should I make for kubuntu install?
[11:45] <jeff_> can the linux ping the loop address
[11:45] <jeff_> can it ping the it ip
[11:45] <jeff_> can it ping the router
[11:45] <jedi__> it should have detected it even with the router on....
[11:45] <Skizzo21> how do i ping sorry this is literally my first time
[11:46] <Skizzo21> haha this is like sex HAHA
[11:46] <Skizzo21> sorry
[11:46] <Skizzo21> continue
[11:46] <jedi__> ping ""your ip"
[11:46] <|lostbyte|> relix, >=3gb
[11:46] <jedi__> in a console
[11:46] <Antaran> good day, I'm new to kubuntu, can I synchronize my iPaq with a KDE kalendar, tasks, email etc, how?
[11:46] <jeff_> terminal "ping 127.0.0.1
[11:47] <Skizzo21> i have succesfully pinged it
[11:47] <jeff_> ping the IP
[11:47] <Skizzo21> oo ping my nic
[11:47] <Skizzo21> hold on
[11:47] <Skizzo21> success
[11:47] <Skizzo21> that works
[11:47] <jeff_> ok ping the router
[11:47] <Skizzo21> that works
[11:48] <jeff_> should work
[11:48] <jedi__> oh shit i did not see the time... got to go to sleep damn it tmrw i have a big day at work!!
[11:48] <jedi__> c ya all
[11:48] <Skizzo21> opening konqueror now and testing www.cnn.com
[11:48] <Skizzo21> An error occurred while loading http://www.cnn.com
[11:48] <Skizzo21> Unkown host www.cnn.com
[11:49] <driz> How do i remove wine in it there is the windows version of firefox i was trying to instal shockwave but i gave up?
[11:49] <jeff_> can you send eamil
[11:49] <jeff_> email
[11:49] <Skizzo21> uhh i cant try?
[11:49] <Skizzo21> can*
[11:49] <jeff_> wierd
[11:50] <jeff_> i don't know
[11:50] <jeff_> try pinging google,com
[11:50] <slow-motion> n8
[11:51] <Skizzo21> unable to ping google
[11:51] <jeff_> skizzo21 try ping google.com or something
[11:51] <jeff_> sorry
[11:52] <jeff_> something between router and modem
[11:52] <Skizzo21> hmmmm
[11:52] <Skizzo21> maybe my driver is messed up?
[11:52] <Skizzo21> how do i like update a driver
[11:52] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, can your other pc's access the internet
[11:52] <Skizzo21> yes sir
[11:52] <jeff_> duh
[11:52] <jeff_> sorry
[11:52] <negocio> ok, i have install qemu
[11:53] <negocio> but
[11:53] <driz> why is it when i Ping a website it just keeps going and going>
[11:53] <driz> ?
[11:53] <negocio> how can i run DOS in it?
[11:53] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, coud you ping 72.14.207.99 ?
[11:53] <Skizzo21> hey jeff.... can i update the driver somehow?
[11:53] <Skizzo21> ill try now
[11:53] <jeff_> linux does that
[11:53] <jeff_> there is a command to stop it
[11:53] <jeff_> but i dont know it
[11:53] <jeff_> sorry dont know
[11:53] <Skizzo21> lostbyte that is weird
[11:53] <Skizzo21> i WAS able too
[11:53] <Skizzo21> what IP is that?
[11:53] <daiver> CTRL+C to stop it
[11:54] <jeff_> thks
[11:54] <daiver> np
[11:54] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, Googles
[11:54] <jeff_> worked
[11:54] <daiver> ;)
[11:54] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, if that worked.. you need to add dns to your resolve.conf in /etc/
[11:54] <Skizzo21> how in gods name do i do that
[11:54] <negocio> anyone have any idea making DOS work in qemu,
[11:54] <negocio> how can i do that?
[11:55] <jeff_> beyound me
[11:55] <Skizzo21> wow that is interesting i can connect to websites by IP haha
[11:55] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, kdesu kate /etc/resolv.conf
[11:55] <Skizzo21> good thinking lostbyte
[11:55] <jeff_> no DNS
[11:55] <Skizzo21> is that a command or something?
[11:55] <|lostbyte|> yes it is..
[11:56] <negocio> help running dos in qemu, how?
[11:56] <jeff_> will that update the dns
[11:56] <|lostbyte|> ok ! now i want you to go on your windows pc.. and type in dos ifconfig /all
[11:56] <Skizzo21> ipconfig?
[11:56] <jeff_> iPconfig /all
[11:56] <jeff_> if is linux
[11:56] <|lostbyte|> opps yes ! ipconfig
[11:56] <Skizzo21> haha aight i did thta
[11:57] <Skizzo21> who is kate?
[11:57] <jeff_> show DNS Servers
[11:57] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, you will see dns there.. in windows..
[11:57] <Skizzo21> uh huh
[11:58] <negocio> pike, are you there?
[11:58] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, Kate is a TextEditor
[11:59] <Skizzo21> ok
[11:59] <Skizzo21> shes up and i have my dns from my windows machine
[11:59] <Skizzo21> whats next
[11:59] <Tommy2k4> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[11:59] <Tommy2k4> i get that for all 3 partitions
[11:59] <Tommy2k4> is that bad
[11:59] <Tommy2k4> (with fdisk)
[11:59] <gatekeeper> Skizzo21: kate has also got a terminal which makes it very usefull
[11:59] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, ok ! the format is  --------> nameserver <dns_ip>
[12:00] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, and SAVE it !
[12:00] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, Now Google.com in your browser will work..
[12:00] <Skizzo21> *crosses fingers*
[12:00] <jeff_> crossed
[12:01] <Skizzo21> wait so once resolv.conf opens jus type  "nameserver <mydnsip?>
[12:01] <negocio> can anyone help me?
[12:01] <|lostbyte|> negocio, huh ? can we ?
[12:01] <Skizzo21> lostbyte is that what I should do?
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> yes.. replacing that with the dns_ip [and no quote] 
[12:02] <jeff_> i think he means the DNS address you saw
[12:03] <franz> I'm trying to install kubuntu on a pc with no success:
[12:03] <negocio> yes please
[12:03] <negocio> i need to run dos en qemu
[12:03] <negocio> i have instal qemu
[12:03] <negocio> i was tringy
[12:03] <Skizzo21> okay i went to "start" whatever its called and hit  run command... and typed  "kdesu kate /ect/reolv.conf"
[12:03] <negocio> but my image doesnt have a bootable os
[12:04] <|lostbyte|> franz, DOS !! What is that :P
[12:04] <negocio> Disk Operating System
[12:04] <franz> it's nearly finished the process, but "hardware configuration" is like blocked at 94% since  15 mins
[12:04] <Skizzo21> i then was given an empty text and typed   "   nameserver <192.168.1.1> and hit save
[12:04] <relix> ok thanks lostbyte
[12:04] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, "etc"
[12:04] <negocio> i have a prices list make in DOS and i have to run it
[12:04] <Skizzo21> yea sorry i meant etc***
[12:04] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, no need for "<>"
[12:04] <Skizzo21> o
[12:05] <Skizzo21> SUCCESS
[12:05] <Skizzo21> I LOVE YOU GUYS!
[12:05] <franz> |lostbyte|, what you meant before?
[12:05] <negocio> question: how can i run DOS with qemu?
[12:05] <Tommy2k4> kubuntu has crashed for the 7th time today :(
[12:05] <Skizzo21> time to test my wireless card :'( brb
[12:05] <Tommy2k4> next time im going back to windows
[12:06] <robotgeek> Tommy2k4: it cant hard lock, can it?
[12:06] <|lostbyte|> franz, that was for negocio lolz..
[12:06] <jeff_> good stuff
[12:06] <Skizzo21> lostbyte im trying to learn here ... so when you get a chance can u explain what opening kate did exactly.....? whenever u get a chance
[12:06] <franz> ah ok
[12:06] <Tommy2k4> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204080 theres my problem
[12:06] <gatekeeper> Tommy2k4: you sure you haven't got a hardware problem?
[12:06] <|lostbyte|> franz, Pls explain "no success" ?
[12:07] <|lostbyte|> Skizzo21, kate is a text editor like notepad