[12:22] <jenda> mdke: ping?
[12:45] <jenda> mdke: ping?
[01:12] <mvirkkil> mdke: I've been away a couple of days. You wrote about running tidy on the docbook. Would you like to elaborate?
[01:19] <robotgeek> mvirkkil: is that after commit?
[01:28] <mvirkkil> robotgeek: What do you mean?
[01:28] <mvirkkil> robotgeek: I'm working on automagic moinmoin->docbook stuff.
[04:43] <robotgeek> mvirkkil: oh great, the SOC project? 
[04:44] <robotgeek> mvirkkil: anyways, all the best with it, and hope you all success. It will make our lives much easier :)
[07:11] <nixternal> anyone know who i need to contact to get information about creating a mailing list for a LoCo?
[07:13] <linuxmonkey> Local's Only Crazy Orginization :)
[07:13] <linuxmonkey> lol
[07:16] <robitaille> nixternal:  talk to jdub for mailing lists
[07:16] <nixternal> thx robitaille
[07:17] <Madpilot> hi all
[07:17] <nixternal> hey Madpilot
[07:17] <robitaille> Hi Madpilot 
[07:17] <nixternal> didn't see you sneak in
[07:17] <Madpilot> I'm very stealthy sometimes :)
[07:18] <nixternal> ok bye
[07:18] <nixternal> ;)
[07:18] <nixternal> trying to get all this stuff for a Chicago LoCo Team together
[08:37] <mdke> mvirkkil: elaborate how?
[08:45] <mdke> mvirkkil: I just mean that the output xml is rather ugly and hard to work with, if you use tidy to clean it up, it would avoid the user having to do it.
[08:49] <mdke> jenda: pong, pong
[08:50] <jenda> mdke: ah great :) now to remember what I wanted :)
[08:50] <jenda> There's a forums section on ubuntu.com - and I'd like to see the Czech forum there.
[08:50] <mdke> sure
[08:51] <mdke> can you email me?
[08:51] <jenda> yuppers
[08:51] <mdke> thanks
[08:57] <jenda> mdke: sent.
[08:57] <jenda> Thanks
[08:58] <mdke> nixternal: there is an email address on the LoCoTeamHowto page
[08:58] <mdke> nixternal: in fact, all information you ever need is, or should be, there
[08:58] <nixternal> thx mdke
[08:59] <mdke> mailman@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:59] <nixternal> i think i hit that one also
[08:59] <nixternal> ya..i hit that one also...
[08:59] <nixternal> thx
[09:12] <mvirkkil> mdke: I mean how is it ugly? What would the tidy program do? Usually when I hear people saying that the xml is ugly they mean it's cluttered with namespace declarations, possibly invalid etc. This is not the case here.
[09:23] <mpt__> The element names are longer than in HTML :-)
[09:23] <mpt> Does that count as ugliness?
[09:23] <rob> can the element names be shorten and still mean the same thing?
[09:24] <mvirkkil> rob: nope
[09:24] <rob> icky
[09:25] <rob> how long are we talking?
[09:25] <mvirkkil> rob: <para> instead of <p> ? 
[09:26] <mvirkkil> But you could always create a shorter version and convert it.
[09:26] <rob> thats the actual docbook markup, no it can't be shorten without a lot of work (afaik)
[09:26] <rob> yep
[09:26] <rob> but why not then create your own schema?
[09:26] <mvirkkil> But I'm pretty sure  mdke didn't mean this.
[09:27] <rob> Gentoo uses a really simple markup
[09:27] <rob> for its docs
[09:28] <mvirkkil> rob: Well, the idea is to use the moinwiki in the future, and then convert that to docbook. That's what I'm working on.
[09:28] <rob> are you the one working on the SoC project?
[09:28] <mvirkkil> rob: Yup.
[09:29] <rob> ah cool, I was actually going to submit something similar myself, but lack of spare time killed me
[09:30] <mvirkkil> rob: Close to killing me too. Sent it it on the 11th hour.
[09:30] <rob> GuideXML, thats what Gentoo uses, its much simpler and has less tags then docbook
[09:30] <rob> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xml-guide.xml
[09:31] <rob> I think its pretty cool, but its not docbook, so yeah :)
[09:31] <mvirkkil> rob: Quickly browsed through it.
[09:32] <mvirkkil> rob: I see very little sence in using it.
[09:32] <mpt> and then there's MAML
[09:33] <rob> mvirkkil, it is much simpler, thus much easier to learn
[09:33] <mvirkkil> rob: I wouldn't say much, it looks a bit simpler. But not much.
[09:33] <rob> thats the only major benefit
[09:34] <mpt> MAML is crack because it includes built-in support for FAQs, which, almost by definition, you won't know exist until after the help has shipped
[09:34] <rob> mpt, so does docbook (we used it in the first version of the Desktop Guide)
[09:35] <mpt> Well, we already know docbook is crack :-)
[09:35] <mpt> It's just the least evil
[09:35] <rob> heh
[09:35] <rob> yep
[10:14] <mdke> mvirkkil: I mean it isn't nicely laid out with a line per element and indented
[10:49] <mvirkkil> mdke: Ahh.. Pretty printing.
[10:55] <froud> man Dapper is solid
[03:39] <CarlFK> before I create a new wiki page - anyone know of one that talks about upgrading an existing app using apt-get source/wget newwer source... ?
[03:40] <linuxmonkey> CarlFK: we stay away from specific install apps. 
[03:40] <linuxmonkey> :)
[03:41] <CarlFK> huh?
[03:41] <CarlFK> I meant a generic version of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildingWineFromSource
[03:42] <linuxmonkey> lol yeah all those  "sudo apt-get build-dep wine" will have to get changed im preaty sure..lol
[03:43] <linuxmonkey> nvm
[03:43] <linuxmonkey> i just read what it was.. brain fart
[05:16] <CarlFK> wget https://help.ubuntu.com/favicon.ico 404 - who's 'problem' is that?
[05:29] <nixternal> CarlFK: seems as if it isn't there at all
[05:29] <jjesse> i think mdke can fix that problem CarlFK
[05:30] <CarlFK> where/how should something like that be reported?  launchpad?
[05:30] <CarlFK> or do I just start shouting about it in -dev? :)
[05:31] <nixternal> lol
[05:31] <jjesse> mdke in this channel is responsible for help.ubuntu.com
[05:31] <jjesse> i don't know if there is something you can file a bug against or not, but ping him and help can fix it
[05:33] <CarlFK> i'll post to u-doc mailist
[06:56] <jjesse> .
[06:56] <nixternal> ..
[06:58] <LaserJock> ...
[06:58] <nixternal> jjesse: kubuntu team has a meeting today..i will be there to listen in...do you want to check it out concerning information for the switching documentation?  maybe see if Riddell has any ideas he might want to add?
[06:59] <jjesse> would love to how 21:00 is just when i'm leaving work today  and i can't stay late due to a softball game
[07:00] <nixternal> ok..did you mean 21:00?  the meeting is 16:00 for me and 17:00 for you...i will be there, so if there is anything you want me to add to their agenda, i can do that and then report it back to you
[07:01] <jjesse> yup 17:00 is when i leave work
[07:01] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:01] <jjesse> i would like to hold off on discussing the switching guide until the three of us can get some more concrete information put together, i'll update a subpage of my wiki page tongiht
[07:01] <nixternal> ok...i can do some reporting or whatever if you need it
[07:02] <jjesse> sure
[07:03] <nixternal> if you want...you can add something to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings   agenda, and i will be more then happy to cover the points if needed
[07:03] <jjesse> sure, let me think if there is anything i need
[07:04] <nixternal> great..i am here if needed...drinking coffee and listening the weather report ;)
[07:04] <jjesse> and how is the wheather across the pond?
[07:05] <nixternal> nice today so far...stormed like crazy last night
[07:05] <jjesse> it was windy last night here, cool but windy
[07:05] <nixternal> it is cool today
[07:06] <nixternal> Current weather for Chicago / West Chicago, Dupage Airport : Few clouds at 1800 feet, Temperature: 66F, Pressure: 30.02" Hg, Wind: 12 MPH NE
[07:10] <nixternal> sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get upgrade    << gnupg update to patch vulnerability
[09:08] <ompaul> jjesse, ahhhh there you are
[09:08] <ompaul> :-)
[09:08] <ompaul> hehe
[09:09] <ompaul> I knew I recognised the name but was not sure from where
[09:11] <jjesse> grin
[09:11] <jjesse> trying to figure why the sparc guide is not on help.ubuntuc.om
[09:22] <ompaul> well I stopped lurking and clicked on docs to ask that question, guess I can say it is in safe hands ;-)
[09:23] <jjesse> yup it is
[09:42] <nixternal> jjesse: you have roxy burger by you at all?
[09:43] <jjesse> nixternal: nope
[09:43] <nixternal> roxies, the outdoor burger joint..
[09:43] <nixternal> i gotta get into benton harbor to get me one...and soon
[10:09] <nixternal> alrighty..got get me some ice cream and snacks b4 the meeting starts...the old !ping !pong is in effect..bbiaf ;)
[10:52] <nixternal> mdke: it seems that an agenda item for the Kubuntu Meeting in 10 minutes is suggesting a KDE/Kubuntu theme and redirectors for doc.kubuntu.org and help.kubuntu.org, whatever they mean by the last..i will be partaking in this meeting...any items need to be suggested or conversed about..and what is the status of the kde theme?
[10:52] <nixternal> i know there is a kde theme in the making
[10:53] <jjesse> i think that was my idea nixternal
[10:53] <nixternal> it has imbrandon's name on it
[10:53] <jjesse> i was hoping we could get the same themes for the help.ubuntu.com wiki
[10:53] <jjesse> and also get a redirect from help.kubuntu.org to help.ubuntu.com
[10:53] <nixternal> i believe they are in the process of porting the themes
[10:53] <jjesse> i think that was the big suggestion and you are correct they are
[10:53] <jjesse> mdke and i spoke about it
[10:53] <nixternal> how did imbrandon's name get on it ;)
[10:54] <nixternal> ok..
[10:54] <jjesse> maybe he suggested it to the agenda
[10:54] <nixternal> i will relay that info during the meeting when that topic comes up
[10:54] <jjesse> thanks
[10:54] <jjesse> getting ready to leave
[10:54] <jjesse> but i know mdke is on top of those issues
[10:55] <nixternal> alright...good luck with the game btw
[10:55] <jjesse> thanks hoping it doesn't rain, looks like it out side
[10:55] <nixternal> it stopped raining here and became really nice outside
[10:55] <jjesse> nice
[10:56] <jjesse> i love that therer are 48 updates to a fresh install of xp service pack 2
[10:56] <nixternal> lol
[10:56] <nixternal> i wouldn't know..i haven't booted xp in a long time
[10:57] <jjesse> i work on it every day
[10:57] <nixternal> hehe
[10:57] <nixternal> as i am sure i will be too just as soon as I decide to start working and stop enjoying the summer ;)
[10:57] <jjesse> grin
[10:57] <jjesse> ok work's over :(