[02:52] <jjesse> @agenda Detroit
[02:52] <jjesse> @schedule Detroit
[02:52] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Detroit: 26 Jun 17:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 16:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 16:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:56] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[02:56] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 27 Jun 00:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 15:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 23:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 23:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:59] <simira> what, did CC go on summer holidays or something?
[03:09] <jenda> simira: yup :) see them in september :)
[03:09] <simira> jenda: seriously?
[03:10] <jenda> simira: no, not seriously.
[03:10] <jenda> But it's been a month since the last meeting :(
[03:10] <simira> yes, too lon
[03:10] <simira> long*
[03:20] <Kamion> oh give us a break, it's only one skipped meeting
[03:21] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:21] <Riddell> Kamion: I think the current complaint is that there's no next meeting on the schedule
[03:21] <Kamion> I'm aware of that
[03:21] <Kamion> I also note nobody has yet mailed community-council@ about it; apparently IRC is easier
[03:21] <Kamion> I'll send mail now
[05:00] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[05:00] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 26 Jun 16:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[07:25] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[07:26] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 26 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:55] <Nirvana> is the meeting in 5 mins? or an hour and 5 mins?
[09:58] <jenda> @schedule Prague
[09:58] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Prague: 26 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:58] <jenda> Nirvana: an hour
[10:15] <profoX`> @schedule Belgium
[10:15] <profoX`> @schedule Brussels
[10:15] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Brussels: 26 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[10:16] <Hawkwind> @schedule chicago
[10:16] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 26 Jun 16:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[10:37] <Nirvana> @schedule Toronto
[10:37] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Toronto: 26 Jun 17:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 16:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 16:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[10:46] <uniq> @schedule oslo
[10:46] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Oslo: 26 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[10:57] <imbrandon> am i late ?
[10:57] <jenda> you're three minutes early.
[10:57] <Hawkwind> Topic just changed before you entered
[10:57] <nixternal> lol
[10:57] <jenda> or is my clock wrong, dammit...
[10:57] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:58] <Hawkwind> jenda: I have 3 minutes til too :P
[10:58] <imbrandon> @now
[10:58] <nixternal> i just did ntpdate... 3 minutes
[10:58] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: June 26 2006, 20:58:13 - Current meeting: Kubuntu 
[10:58] <[Nirvana] > I have 2
[10:58] <jenda> OK
[10:58] <jenda> :)
[10:58] <Hawkwind> jenda: Let's hope both of our clocks aren't wrong
[10:58] <jenda> let's hope the world isn't, Hawkwind 
[10:58] <[Nirvana] > they are... it's 2 and a half mins to
[10:58] <nixternal> hehe
[10:58] <Hawkwind> jenda: Then again...Heh
[10:58] <kwwii> hi
[10:59] <[Nirvana] > TOMA... YOU ARE LATE
[10:59] <ogra> hey kwwii 
[10:59] <[Nirvana] > WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT YOURSELF?
[10:59] <nixternal> hi kwwii
[10:59] <kwwii> hi ogra
[10:59] <kwwii> am I late too?
[10:59] <imbrandon> moins kwwii and orga
[10:59] <toma> [Nirvana] : i so apologise
[10:59] <[Nirvana] > lol
[10:59] <uniq> hi.
[10:59] <toma> can you forgive me?
[10:59] <[Nirvana] > kneel and beg for forgivenes
[10:59] <[Nirvana] > forgiveness^
[11:00] <[Nirvana] > hehe... I'm just messing with ya... meeting should start any second now
[11:00] <[Nirvana] > @now
[11:00] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: June 26 2006, 21:00:24 - Current meeting: Kubuntu 
[11:02] <highvoltage> hmmm... i remember talking to a kwwii at uds, but can't remember who it was (it's terrible when you can only remember people by their nicks)
[11:02] <imbrandon> lol
[11:02] <seaLne> is there mopre than one of him?
[11:03] <ogra> highvoltage, he's the guy with the beer in his hand :)
[11:03] <highvoltage> ogra: you'll have to narrow it down :)
[11:04] <ogra> highvoltage, especially the beer in a sixpack when you guys cam back with your eiffel tower collections ;)
[11:04] <highvoltage> aaaah
[11:04] <allee> seaLne: # of kwwiis depends on the level of alcohol in quite blood
[11:04] <imbrandon> haha
[11:07] <ogra> allee, nicotine also plays a role here :)
[11:07] <ogra> (you'll find him in the smokers place ;) )
[11:07] <allee> I know ;)
[11:07] <ogra> else the # of kwwii's is zero
[11:07] <seaLne> does that depend on your meaning of #?
[11:07] <imbrandon> how does Seveas put it , /dev/zero >> /dev/mind , does that applie to kwwii too ;)
[11:07] <Riddell> hi all
[11:07] <Riddell> sorry I'm late
[11:07] <highvoltage> seaLne: hehe. i would say something about # and kde devels, but that would not be CoC appropriate ;)
[11:07] <nixternal> hi Riddell
[11:07] <Riddell> what did I miss?
[11:08] <imbrandon> nothign waiting on you Riddell
[11:08] <allee> toma: one more try
[11:08] <Riddell> so, agenda at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[11:09] <allee> nahh
[11:09] <imbrandon> Riddell, did you skype hobbsee ?
[11:09] <Riddell> imbrandon: she's sleeping
[11:09] <Lure> toma: we know ;-)
[11:09] <imbrandon> ok
[11:09] <Riddell> raphink-work can't make it
[11:10] <imbrandon> maybe next one we can make a few hours later like 2400 or soemthing ( will wait till end of meeting for that )
[11:10] <Riddell> but allee, toma and me makes quota
[11:10] <imbrandon> aye ;)
[11:10] <Riddell> so first item on agenda is from hobbsee, discussing https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/50387
[11:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50387 in kdenetwork "Default "privacy" settings don't respect privacy" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  
[11:10] <seaLne> i think it is normal behaviour
[11:11] <Riddell> I don't really use instant messenging enough to know what the norms are
[11:11] <imbrandon> my .02 cents is lock it down by default ( ie turn privacy settings on ) and if users want it on they can easly cahnge the settings
[11:11] <seaLne> sending away etc is normal
[11:12] <Riddell> so it's a complaining that "Become available when detecting activity again" is against privacy
[11:12] <uniq> i don't like sharing 'hidden' information. atleast kopete should tell you it does this.
[11:12] <Riddell> I can understand the worry there
[11:12] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea
[11:12] <seaLne> changing the OS info stuff i think is probably fine
[11:12] <toma> it is the first thing i disable after installing im-software
[11:12] <Riddell> "Always send notifications" sounds like we need more info on what those notifications are but I guess they're similar
[11:13] <imbrandon> IE msn / icq on windows makes you turn that stuff ON if you want it 
[11:13] <toma> allee: why dont you agree?
[11:13] <Riddell> "Hide system and client info" that doesn't sound like anything you couldn't get with web browser ident
[11:13] <seaLne> interesting
[11:13] <Riddell> imbrandon: that's interesting
[11:14] <Riddell> well if kopete is giving out more information than MSN we should change that
[11:14] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Wouldn't Spim be a problem then?
[11:14] <Riddell> DaSkreech: what's that?
[11:14] <allee> toma: be conservative.  Only give away info that are strictly necessary.
[11:14] <DaSkreech> Spam through Instant Messenger
[11:14] <allee> (by default)
[11:14] <imbrandon> yea i agree with allee
[11:14] <toma> allee: ah right, i misunderstood. I agree
[11:14] <imbrandon> still an option but OFF by default
[11:14] <uniq> i agree with allee too.
[11:14] <DaSkreech> If someone can just send you an off message and gain a lot of information on your computer and you that might be cause for concern
[11:15] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, exactly what we are addressing ;)
[11:15] <DaSkreech> Plus I think that Ubuntu has prided itself and marketed it self as being secure by default
[11:15] <Riddell> I don't see an issue with "Hide system and client info" but everything else I'm happy to have changed
[11:15] <imbrandon> Riddell, spim == spam for IM's
[11:15] <Riddell> I'll assign the bug to tonio, he's the default-settings hero
[11:15] <toma> Riddell: i agree
[11:15] <toma> i have another question about kopete
[11:15] <Riddell> toma: go for it
[11:15] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: RIght I'm saying that the fact that unknown people can message you and get info as soon as you start up Kopete (and some account) is serious issue
[11:16] <toma> today i've learned that 0.12 sdoes not contain translations, is that handled by the lang packs?
[11:16] <Riddell> toma: no, although some people might be able to translate it with rosetta if they want
[11:16] <Riddell> but the correct solution is to get the kopete developers to fix their svn branch
[11:17] <Riddell> KDE is perfectly able to do translations for a branch
[11:17] <toma> absolutly, i'll have a look at that.
[11:17] <Riddell> "What's that @SIG@ thing, and how do we use it?" anyone here put that on the agenda?
[11:17] <toma> it just means we ship a nontranslated app, not sure if it should replace a translated one.
[11:18] <[Nirvana] > prolly someone who didn't read the NOTE:
[11:18] <imbrandon> not I but it seems like its explained below the agenda
[11:18] <Riddell> toma: if translations appear later it's not a problem to add them
[11:18] <nixternal> look at the line i added under imbrandon's last agenda item...see my name and the info after it..that is what @SIG@ does in the wiki
[11:19] <imbrandon> nixternal, yes and that is explained in the "NOTE:" below, someone just dident read
[11:19] <Riddell> "When will we get the wiki.kubuntu.org certificate fixed?" when the sysadmins get around to it
[11:19] <Riddell> I'll politely poke them this week
[11:19] <DaSkreech> Whats wrong with you?
[11:19] <imbrandon> thanks Riddell ;) hehe 
[11:19] <DaSkreech> I mean with it
[11:19] <Riddell> allee: your item
[11:20] <[Nirvana] > speaking of certificates, when is https://xubuntu.com gonna get fixed?
[11:20] <allee> Fonts of wiki.kubuntu are way to small here.
[11:20] <imbrandon> [Nirvana] , best to ask the xubuntu team / meeting
[11:20] <Riddell> [Nirvana] : get whoever runs that site to file a request in rt
[11:20] <allee> We had a similar discussion about defaut font size in kubuntu.  I argue that same applies to wiki ;)
[11:20] <[Nirvana] > ahh, because I filed a bug a while back
[11:20] <Riddell> allee: heno was incharge of the wiki, I think canonical has a new webmaster about to start so it's probably in flux
[11:21] <allee> Someone should fix the css
[11:21] <Lure> allee: really? they are quite big here (147DPI), both konqueror and firefox
[11:21] <Riddell> allee: however best thing would be if you or someone could make a patch and I'll find the right person to send it to
[11:21] <allee> Lure: when I press once ctrl-+.  font size rougly matches here.
[11:21] <[Nirvana] > xubuntu.com went to edubuntu, and it seems that edubuntu still owns the certificate for https://xubuntu.com...but now it points to the fridge
[11:21] <imbrandon> and / or attach it to website-bugs in LP
[11:21] <Riddell> allee: although you shouldn't use fixed point sizes in webpages
[11:21] <ogra> [Nirvana] , ``
[11:21] <Riddell> [Nirvana] : wrong meeting
[11:21] <ogra> ??
[11:21] <imbrandon> [Nirvana] , this isnt the place for that
[11:22] <seaLne> btw pretty please can we do new members in the next 30min so i can catch the last bus?
[11:22] <Riddell> seaLne: sure, do we have any member candidates here?
[11:22] <Riddell> preseumably seaLne is one :)
[11:22] <Lure> allee: I need to do Ctrl+ - twice to have the same size as wiki.k.org
[11:22] <imbrandon> seaLne, looks to be the only one on the agenda
[11:23] <Riddell> I changed the font size on kubuntu.org recently to make it normal size not smaller than normal
[11:23] <Riddell> ok seaLne, could you introduce yourself
[11:23] <Riddell> got a wiki page
[11:23] <Riddell> anything about what you're been doing?
[11:23] <[Nirvana] > he is THE Kenny Duffus... BehindUbuntu.com... duh! :P
[11:23] <imbrandon> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KennyDuffus
[11:23] <seaLne> i have done various bug triaging and run behindubuntu.org and have done a few packages
[11:24] <imbrandon> [Nirvana] , this si protocal please refrain
[11:24] <uniq> 10k+ karma :)
[11:24] <toma> behindKubuntu.org?
[11:24] <DaSkreech> heehee
[11:25] <seaLne> pay the money and i'll use it aswell :)
[11:25] <Riddell> I should say that I've known Kenny in real life for several years and he's often let me sleep on his floor when I get stuck in Glasgow
[11:25] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:25] <Riddell> so I might be in trouble if I don't vote him in
[11:25] <kwwii> Riddell justs wants him in so that he has someone to talk Scots to
[11:26] <kwwii> :p
[11:26] <Riddell> toma, allee: any questions from our council members?
[11:26] <Lure> seaLne did great work on bug traige for dapper
[11:26] <toma> browsing through launchpad for a second
[11:27] <toma> it looks good to me
[11:28] <toma> seaLne: any kubuntu specific plans?
[11:28] <allee> no really.  What I've seen up to now is impressive
[11:29] <toma> what is sleuthkit?
[11:29] <seaLne> toma: i'd like to see improvements in accessability
[11:29] <seaLne> forensic sw
[11:29] <Riddell> seaLne: we have just the spec for you http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAccessibility
[11:29] <Riddell> lets vote
[11:29] <Riddell> +1 from me
[11:29] <seaLne> we have lots of expensive acessability stuf for windows but not in linux
[11:30] <allee> seaLne: you have a connection to people working in kde on accessibility?
[11:30] <seaLne> nope
[11:30] <allee> seaLne: how long are you participating in (k)ubuntu?
[11:31] <seaLne> hmm not actually sure, since some point in breezy
[11:31] <Riddell> first sighted on #kubuntu-devel 2006-02-18
[11:31] <Riddell> oh no, he was on in 2005 too
[11:32] <Riddell> 2005-09
[11:32] <imbrandon> sept 05
[11:32] <toma> seaLne: did you sign the code of conduct?
[11:33] <allee> yes he did
[11:33] <Riddell> "Ubuntero: Yes "
[11:33] <toma> ah ok
[11:33] <toma> +1 for me
[11:33] <allee> Okay +1 from me too.  Riddell trusts him and I see lots of activity traces from him
[11:33] <Riddell> yay!
[11:33] <toma> yes indeed
[11:34] <Riddell> welcome to kubuntu membership seaLne 
[11:34] <seaLne> wooo :)
[11:34] <allee> seaLne: congrats
[11:34] <imbrandon> seaLne, congrats
[11:34] <toma> cool, we tricked another one ;-)
[11:34] <Lure> seaLne: congrats
[11:34] <seaLne> hehe
[11:34] <imbrandon> haha
[11:34] <Riddell> any other member candidates now?
[11:34] <nixternal> one of these days ...
[11:35] <Riddell> Lure: your item
[11:35] <Lure> is it clear now what is accepted of edgy in terms of Kubuntu spec?
[11:35] <Lure> (and general updated on major conclusion from UDS in paris)
[11:36] <Lure> s/updated/update/
[11:36] <imbrandon> and if so where is it housed other than Riddell's mind ;)
[11:36] <imbrandon> ( the kubuntu specifics )
[11:36] <toma> yes, the blogs wheren't much helpfull
[11:36] <Riddell> the specs are still at https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+specs
[11:36] <Riddell> I need to target the edgy ones to edgy
[11:37] <Riddell> and there's a bunch I need to tidy up and poke through to approval
[11:37] <Riddell> toma: I'll do a more complete blog soon
[11:37] <Riddell> allee: having the KDE devels was really cool
[11:37] <Riddell> at least for me it meant there was more than me at the KDE BoFs
[11:37] <Riddell> kwwii: any opinion?
[11:38] <Riddell> the teamspeak stuff didn't relly work, it's just too difficult to have a conversation in two places like that at once
[11:38] <imbrandon> what were some of the major things that you think will affect kubuntu as a whole decided ?
[11:38] <kwwii> well, we are starting a totally new way of working on the artwork
[11:38] <kwwii> Mark announced today that I will be "artist in chief" for kubuntu for the edgy cycle
[11:38] <Riddell> kwwii: announced where?
[11:38] <toma> kwwii: cool!
[11:38] <kwwii> on the ubuntu-artwork list
[11:39] <imbrandon> congrats kwwii
[11:39] <profoX`> @schedule Brussels
[11:39] <Riddell> great
[11:39] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Brussels: Current meeting: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[11:39] <allee> kwwii: cool
[11:39] <kwwii> well, I am my own boss, that is what is means
[11:39] <kwwii> but this time I want to get more people involved
[11:39] <imbrandon> kwwii, where did he announce it ?
[11:39] <kwwii> I have already talked to a few guys about helping out
[11:39] <[Nirvana] > ubuntu-art he announced it
[11:39] <[Nirvana] > on June 18
[11:39] <Riddell> imbrandon: my main focus will be laptop support, although I've no idea how I'll do the laptop buttons since my laptop buttons don't seem to work at all
[11:39] <kwwii> no, he only announced it today
[11:40] <kwwii> that myself and frank schoep will be the AICs
[11:40] <kwwii> that adds a lot of coordination work which I did not have during dapper
[11:40] <Riddell> kubuntu-accessibility will be cool to have
[11:40] <Riddell> and well overdue
[11:40] <Lure> Riddell: I can help on buttons (not sure for PM GUI as I am not GUI developer ;-))
[11:40] <kwwii> definitly
[11:40] <imbrandon> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-June/002250.html  <-- the announcement
[11:40] <seaLne> something laptop related that would be nice to fix is on this hp if you turn off wireless in windows you can't turn it on in linux afaik
[11:40] <Riddell> kubuntu-easy-zeroconf also nice
[11:41] <Lure> seaLne: easy fix - do not use windows ;-)
[11:41] <Riddell> and I need to talk to mornfall about how we'll manage adept, but he seems to be cracking on with development at the moment
[11:41] <allee> Riddell: did any of the KDE devels show interest to help on some specs?
[11:41] <seaLne> tonight i had to to login to the fscking wireless :(
[11:41] <Riddell> allee: I know el will help with the usability stuff we started with her
[11:42] <Riddell> allee: and ervin will be interested in the laptop stuff from a Solid viewpoint
[11:42] <Riddell> but I'm not interested in turning KDE developers into kubuntu developers, we need an upstream too!
[11:43] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:43] <Lure> Riddell: will sebas work on PM GUI?
[11:43] <Riddell> Lure: oh yes, he started that already
[11:43] <Lure> (or should we hack kpowersave wityh hal
[11:43] <Lure> Riddell: great!
[11:43] <toma> yes, saw some commits already
[11:43] <Lure> toma: kde svn?
[11:43] <toma> yes
[11:43] <imbrandon> Riddell, is the solid stuff going to be making its way into edgy ?
[11:43] <Riddell> Lure: the powersave stuff is interesting since shortly after we wrote the spec saying "we'll just make our own simple powersave frontend that uses HAL"...
[11:44] <uniq> riddell: any more thoughts on dropping gamin or not?
[11:44] <Riddell> they wrote an e-mail saying they'd turn kpowersave into a simple HAL frontend
[11:44] <Riddell> uniq: I'm packaging kdelibs just now and have dropped gamin, I'll see how it works
[11:44] <Lure> Riddell: true, I think they have seen that big splash inclusion into kde is less likely
[11:44] <Riddell> imbrandon: no, solid is kde 4
[11:45] <uniq> riddell: with --enable-fast-malloc (would make adept faster don't know anything about side effects) and +inotify? 
[11:45] <DaSkreech> Riddell: There will be KDE4 Debs for Edgy?
[11:45] <Lure> Riddell: we need to discuss with sebas interaction between kmilo & new-pm-gui regarding suspend/hibernate keys...
[11:45] <Riddell> kde-kiosk-profiles is a fun task for anyone with a few evenings to spare
[11:45] <Lure> (or is this already clear?)
[11:45] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, no
[11:46] <Riddell> DaSkreech: only very early ones for developers
[11:46] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, preview only in late october
[11:46] <Riddell> uniq: I'll look into using those too, thanks for reminding me
[11:46] <Lure> Riddell: isn't Tonio_ expert in profiles?
[11:46] <Riddell> uniq: inotify is in there of course
[11:46] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Wel Riddell is slated for KDE4 on edgy
[11:46] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, preview only in late october
[11:46] <Riddell> Lure: that's not difficult, we just use standard X keys and bindings
[11:47] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I'm not slated for anything, I don't want to be slated thanks
[11:47] <imbrandon> lol
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: ok, so pm-gui will have proper xkeysym binding for X86Sleep?
[11:47] <Riddell> Lure: that's the idea
[11:47] <DaSkreech> Ah ok so don't expect a KDE4 Repo till Fuzzy Ferret?
[11:47] <uniq> riddell: great, if you build ppc debs i can test, :)
[11:47] <Riddell> DaSkreech: correct
[11:47] <DaSkreech> ok cool :)
[11:48] <Riddell> DaSkreech: although we might have early kdelibs packages
[11:48] <[Nirvana] > Fuzzy Ferret is next?
[11:48] <DaSkreech> [Nirvana] : No
[11:48] <Lure> Riddell: any idea how to make kmilo bindings configurable (g-s-d has some xml config file)
[11:48] <DaSkreech> Flirty Flamingo :)
[11:48] <imbrandon> [Nirvana] , no name for it yet other than it will PROBBABLY start with an F
[11:48] <Riddell> Lure: we make kmilo create standard X keys then let the suitable application pick them up and make them configurable
[11:49] <allee> Next agenda item?
[11:49] <[Nirvana] > that's funny because someone at neowin.net was said he was waiting for the Farty Ferret release, so they weren't too far off
[11:49] <toma> would be nice to package kde4 next to kde3
[11:49] <toma> so people can test
[11:49] <Riddell> so in conclusion edgy looks cool and if anyone wants to pick up a spec and run with it please feel free to do so (but let me know)
[11:49] <uniq> toma: something for kubuntu.org maybe?
[11:49] <toma> ?
[11:50] <Riddell> imbrandon: your item
[11:50] <imbrandon> that would be mine, was wondring about the kde edgy timetable and when its going to tentively be uploaded
[11:50] <toma> uniq: yes
[11:50] <seaLne> ok got to go see yas later
[11:50] <apokryphos> adieu
[11:50] <toma> bye
[11:50] <imbrandon> as gnome is already in the edgy repos
[11:50] <Lure> seaLne: bye
[11:50] <imbrandon> Timetable for KDE 3.5.3 ( or what ever version we're starting with ) getting uploaded to Edgy ( Gnome uploaded already ) -- imbrandon
[11:51] <Riddell> imbrandon: well I've done qt 3 and 4 today, kdelibs is currently compiling away
[11:51] <imbrandon> but i also seen kdelibs just come accross edgy-changes a few moments ago
[11:51] <Riddell> and I'll do the rest tomorrow and wednesday
[11:51] <Riddell> you have?
[11:51] <DaSkreech> how many Apps have jumped to KDE4?
[11:51] <imbrandon> err qt4-x11
[11:51] <imbrandon> ^^ my mistake
[11:51] <Riddell> imbrandon: phew :)
[11:51] <Riddell> DaSkreech: none
[11:51] <DaSkreech> Amarok, Kopete.. Kouple others
[11:51] <Riddell> DaSkreech: a couple on qt 4 though
[11:52] <DaSkreech> Sorry that's what I meant
[11:52] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, none for kde4 , some qt4
[11:52] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: they *can* be compiled, but none are fully ported
[11:52] <Riddell> neither amarok nor kopete use qt 4
[11:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: does that answer your question?
[11:52] <imbrandon> it would be silly to post major apps this early
[11:52] <imbrandon> and yes Riddell thanks
[11:53] <toma> one of my coworkers mentioned that a new gnome was added recently
[11:53] <Riddell> still plenty of gaps in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates if anyone wants to take some
[11:53] <Riddell> toma: yes, the new gnome is being uploaded, although not very fast since they're at guadec
[11:53] <imbrandon> Riddell, been working on some , also what do we do with those for us MOTU hopefulls? upload to revu ?
[11:53] <Riddell> imbrandon: your item again
[11:53] <[Nirvana] > if KDE 3.5.4 is slated for the end of July, we'll see it in edgy right?
[11:54] <[Nirvana] > sorry for hijacking^
[11:54] <Riddell> imbrandon: upload to revu and find someone to take a look at it, I'm happy to
[11:54] <toma> nm
[11:54] <Riddell> [Nirvana] : yes, I expect it will be
[11:54] <imbrandon> Riddell, ok , and my next item ....
[11:54] <imbrandon> Sugest Getting a KDE theme and redirects for doc.kubuntu.org and help.kubuntu.org just as *.ubuntu.com -- imbrandon
[11:54] <Riddell> nixternal has info on this?
[11:54] <nixternal> KDE theme is being worked on as we speak...redirects are all still in the process as the transfer to h.u.c isnt' complete 100%...we (DocTeam & WikiTeam) are currently working on getting this all organized...mdke is the man in charge
[11:54] <imbrandon> kinda like the wiki.k.org
[11:54] <apokryphos> cool
[11:54] <nixternal> ;)
[11:55] <Riddell> nixternal: who's working on redirects?
[11:55] <nixternal> only CatDocs is being transferred from current wiki to new wiki...Matthew East
[11:55] <Riddell> hi jjesse 
[11:55] <nixternal> and that guy there
[11:55] <jjesse> hello
[11:55] <nixternal> ;)
[11:55] <apokryphos> so all things on w.k.o will take you to h.u.c as it is
[11:55] <nixternal> rain delay?
[11:56] <Riddell> nixternal: has he requested the domains be set up?
[11:56] <nixternal> jjesse:  you couldn't be any more perfect on time
[11:56] <jjesse> gotta leave soon to softball game 
[11:56] <jjesse> real quick :)
[11:56] <nixternal> domains and all that should be completed already...
[11:56] <imbrandon> apokryphos, as is right now yes
[11:56] <nixternal> everything is being ported if it belongs to CategoryDocumentation to help.ubuntu.com
[11:56] <Riddell> dig help.kubuntu.org
[11:56] <Riddell> doesn't seem to return anythin
[11:57] <imbrandon> right but what about help.kubuntu.org ;)
[11:57] <jjesse> correct
[11:57] <nixternal> the wiki.ubuntu.com is staying, just all of the CatDoc is being redirected
[11:57] <nixternal> there is no subdomain for h.k.o
[11:57] <imbrandon> nixternal, we are talking about resirects for the DNS and Kubuntu themes
[11:57] <jjesse> i don't think anything has been setup yet for help.kubuntu.com to redirect to anything, it was just a minor suggestion at the time to mdke 
[11:57] <nixternal> that i can dig at least
[11:58] <imbrandon> jjesse, major sugestion to us kubuntu peeps ;)
[11:58] <nixternal> Kubuntu themes are being recreated due to the moinmoin upgrade...old theme doesn't work with new server
[11:58] <apokryphos> would be a good idea to get done; would be nice to have cleaner kubuntu theme when viewing docs
[11:58] <jjesse> i just asked mdke if we could setup the kubuntu template from the wiki on help.ubuntu.com and also see if we could get a redirect
[11:58] <jjesse> the last i knew he was working on getting it taken care of
[11:58] <jjesse> reason i suggested to him was because he manages help.ubuntu.com
[11:58] <imbrandon> ok jjesse thanks
[11:58] <Riddell> ok, I'll talk to mdke and see if he needs anything out of me for it
[11:58] <Riddell> I'd love to see it happen of course
[11:59] <jjesse> sure, i think we have two people imbrandon and me trying to get teh same thing done w/o talking to each other :)
[11:59] <imbrandon> hahah ;) probbly
[11:59] <imbrandon> jjesse,  i'll ping ya after, also is kwwii working ont he theme artwork ?
[11:59] <jjesse> in fact i wasn't even aware it was on the agenda until nixternal brought it up to me before the meeting started
[11:59] <jjesse> sorry i can't stay longer gotta go play softball :)
[11:59] <nixternal> doin' what i can boss ;)
[11:59] <jjesse> imbrandon: i'll be out for a couple of hours 
[12:00] <imbrandon> ok np 
[12:00] <nixternal> gl jjesse ;)
[12:00] <Riddell> jjesse: any suggestions from you about meeting time?
[12:00] <imbrandon> NEW meeting time ;)
[12:00] <jjesse> 2100 utc is 5 o'clock my time
[12:00] <jjesse> when i leave for work
[12:00] <jjesse> leave work
[12:00] <jjesse> for home, so even an hour earlier would be perfect
[12:00] <kwwii> imbrandon: yes, as "artist in chief" for the edgy cycle, I will be working on the theme artwork
[12:00] <imbrandon> and hobbsee wants later 
[12:01] <Riddell> hobssee suggested 13:00utc for her
[12:01] <imbrandon> kwwii, cool just makin sure ;)
[12:01] <kwwii> :)
[12:01] <Riddell> any other agenda items before we do next meeting time?
[12:02] <Riddell> I have one
[12:02] <Riddell> could someone post a story to dot.kde.org about the ubuntuos podcast?
[12:02] <toma> the what?
[12:02] <Riddell> toma: see kubuntu.org
[12:02] <imbrandon> Riddell, heheh i'll try , also have you listend to the sound quality on that ewwww
[12:02] <apokryphos> toma: podcast with our very own Riddell 8)
[12:02] <Riddell> imbrandon: I know.  they're recording it over transatlantic skype
[12:03] <imbrandon> Riddell, we did one with ummm ( not realeased yet ) on buntudot.org transalatic and its VERY clear ;)
[12:03] <kwwii> skype! OMG, non-free software
[12:03] <nixternal> hahah kwwii
[12:03] <imbrandon> kwwii, better than skype for windows though ;)
[12:04] <imbrandon> one step closer to FOSS ;)
[12:04] <kwwii> hehe
[12:04] <imbrandon> ok new meeting time ? 1300 utc ? thats ummm *calculates local time*
[12:05] <toma> imbrandon: did anyone step up?
[12:05] <imbrandon> toma, to what ?
[12:05] <toma> for the dot story?
[12:05] <imbrandon> ahh i said i would try , i have never posted to dot.kde but i'll give it a shot
[12:05] <toma> ah cool
[12:05] <Riddell> it's the Contribute link on the left
[12:05] <imbrandon> kk
[12:05] <apokryphos> thing is, it's not that much about kde really eh?
[12:06] <imbrandon> kde developer ;)
[12:06] <toma> riddell = kde
[12:06] <apokryphos> kubuntu plans for edgy
[12:06] <Riddell> it's all related, dot takes any story with a KDE angle
[12:06] <Riddell> so next meeting, how does 13:00UTC suit people?
[12:06] <kwwii> sounds perfect to me
[12:07] <[Nirvana] > Prolly not good for West Coast North America
[12:07] <Riddell> or we could try it at that time as a one off to see if anyone still turns up
[12:07] <toma> in the weekend you mean ? ;-)
[12:07] <imbrandon> hmm thats like early AM in the US
[12:08] <[Nirvana] > in New York/Toronto/Basically along the East Coast it's 9:00 AM, which isn't bad
[12:08] <nixternal> 8am
[12:08] <toma> what do you think it is here right now?
[12:08] <kwwii> nope, 9am
[12:08] <Riddell> imbrandon: what time is it for you?
[12:08] <imbrandon> yea 1300 is ok for me personaly but i was thinking about day job people
[12:08] <allee> Riddell: 13.00 is during work time.  So I can promise to be available
[12:08] <Riddell> it's 9am for jjesse wherever he is