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[03:09] simira: yup :) see them in september :) [03:09] jenda: seriously? [03:10] simira: no, not seriously. [03:10] But it's been a month since the last meeting :( === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:10] yes, too lon [03:10] long* === profoX` [i=d00f@d54C0FBA7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:20] oh give us a break, it's only one skipped meeting [03:21] heh [03:21] Kamion: I think the current complaint is that there's no next meeting on the schedule [03:21] I'm aware of that [03:21] I also note nobody has yet mailed community-council@ about it; apparently IRC is easier [03:21] I'll send mail now === Whatsisname [n=whatsisn@rrcs-67-52-37-209.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink-work [n=raphink@wormhole.x-echo.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-108-6.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Meyer [n=meyer@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9E06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@201.22.17.173.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:00] @schedule chicago [05:00] Schedule for America/Chicago: 26 Jun 16:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-197-36.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === neodreams [n=neodream@modemcable198.230-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === lukketto [n=lukketto@host71-190.pool877.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink-work [n=raphink@vll06-1-82-234-166-84.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hawkwind [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-Meeting === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sven__ [n=sven@c227156.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-108-6.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === GNAM [n=fl4sh@host199-235.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:25] @schedule rome [07:26] Schedule for Europe/Rome: 26 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team === ajmitch__ [n=ajmitch@203.89.166.123] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rikai [n=kitty@pool-72-65-109-153.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Sergi0_ [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@201.22.17.173.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-197-36.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zul [n=chuck@dsl-72-1-199.219.tel-ott.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zul [n=chuck@dsl-72-1-199.219.tel-ott.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Nirvana [n=marco@CPE0080c8292db5-CM000f9f5158ce.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:55] is the meeting in 5 mins? or an hour and 5 mins? [09:58] @schedule Prague [09:58] Schedule for Europe/Prague: 26 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team [09:58] Nirvana: an hour === Flik [n=Flik@d154-5-33-125.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:15] @schedule Belgium [10:15] @schedule Brussels [10:15] Schedule for Europe/Brussels: 26 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team [10:16] @schedule chicago [10:16] Schedule for America/Chicago: 26 Jun 16:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 07:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team [10:37] @schedule Toronto [10:37] Schedule for America/Toronto: 26 Jun 17:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 16:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 16:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9E06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === [Nirvana] [n=chatzill@CPE0080c8292db5-CM000f9f5158ce.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === uniq [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:46] @schedule oslo [10:46] Schedule for Europe/Oslo: 26 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === seaLne [n=seaLne@obelisk.wasters.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Kubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 28 Jun 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 05 Jul 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:57] am i late ? [10:57] you're three minutes early. [10:57] Topic just changed before you entered [10:57] lol [10:57] or is my clock wrong, dammit... [10:57] ;) [10:58] jenda: I have 3 minutes til too :P [10:58] @now [10:58] i just did ntpdate... 3 minutes [10:58] Current time in Etc/UTC: June 26 2006, 20:58:13 - Current meeting: Kubuntu [10:58] <[Nirvana] > I have 2 [10:58] OK [10:58] :) [10:58] jenda: Let's hope both of our clocks aren't wrong === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:58] let's hope the world isn't, Hawkwind [10:58] <[Nirvana] > they are... it's 2 and a half mins to [10:58] hehe [10:58] jenda: Then again...Heh === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:58] hi === toma [n=toma@toma.kovoks.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:59] <[Nirvana] > TOMA... YOU ARE LATE [10:59] hey kwwii [10:59] <[Nirvana] > WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT YOURSELF? [10:59] hi kwwii [10:59] hi ogra [10:59] am I late too? [10:59] moins kwwii and orga [10:59] [Nirvana] : i so apologise [10:59] <[Nirvana] > lol [10:59] hi. [10:59] can you forgive me? [10:59] <[Nirvana] > kneel and beg for forgivenes [10:59] <[Nirvana] > forgiveness^ === toma kneels down [11:00] <[Nirvana] > hehe... I'm just messing with ya... meeting should start any second now [11:00] <[Nirvana] > @now [11:00] Current time in Etc/UTC: June 26 2006, 21:00:24 - Current meeting: Kubuntu === toma punches [Nirvana] : in ya dreams === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:02] hmmm... i remember talking to a kwwii at uds, but can't remember who it was (it's terrible when you can only remember people by their nicks) [11:02] lol [11:02] is there mopre than one of him? [11:03] highvoltage, he's the guy with the beer in his hand :) [11:03] ogra: you'll have to narrow it down :) [11:04] highvoltage, especially the beer in a sixpack when you guys cam back with your eiffel tower collections ;) [11:04] aaaah [11:04] seaLne: # of kwwiis depends on the level of alcohol in quite blood [11:04] haha === imbrandon prods Riddell [11:07] allee, nicotine also plays a role here :) [11:07] (you'll find him in the smokers place ;) ) [11:07] I know ;) === imbrandon *tap* *tap* *tap* "this thing on ...." [11:07] else the # of kwwii's is zero [11:07] does that depend on your meaning of #? [11:07] how does Seveas put it , /dev/zero >> /dev/mind , does that applie to kwwii too ;) [11:07] hi all [11:07] sorry I'm late [11:07] seaLne: hehe. i would say something about # and kde devels, but that would not be CoC appropriate ;) [11:07] hi Riddell [11:07] what did I miss? === toma is toma [11:08] nothign waiting on you Riddell [11:08] toma: one more try [11:08] so, agenda at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings === toma is toma [11:09] nahh [11:09] Riddell, did you skype hobbsee ? [11:09] imbrandon: she's sleeping [11:09] toma: we know ;-) [11:09] ok [11:09] raphink-work can't make it [11:10] maybe next one we can make a few hours later like 2400 or soemthing ( will wait till end of meeting for that ) === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-48-98.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:10] but allee, toma and me makes quota [11:10] aye ;) [11:10] so first item on agenda is from hobbsee, discussing https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/50387 [11:10] Malone bug 50387 in kdenetwork "Default "privacy" settings don't respect privacy" [Untriaged,Confirmed] [11:10] i think it is normal behaviour === allee disagrees [11:11] I don't really use instant messenging enough to know what the norms are [11:11] my .02 cents is lock it down by default ( ie turn privacy settings on ) and if users want it on they can easly cahnge the settings [11:11] sending away etc is normal === mindspin [n=mindspin@pD95FE247.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:12] so it's a complaining that "Become available when detecting activity again" is against privacy [11:12] i don't like sharing 'hidden' information. atleast kopete should tell you it does this. [11:12] I can understand the worry there [11:12] Riddell, yea [11:12] changing the OS info stuff i think is probably fine [11:12] it is the first thing i disable after installing im-software [11:12] "Always send notifications" sounds like we need more info on what those notifications are but I guess they're similar [11:13] IE msn / icq on windows makes you turn that stuff ON if you want it [11:13] allee: why dont you agree? [11:13] "Hide system and client info" that doesn't sound like anything you couldn't get with web browser ident [11:13] interesting [11:13] imbrandon: that's interesting === seaLne has only ever used IM on linux [11:14] well if kopete is giving out more information than MSN we should change that [11:14] Riddell: Wouldn't Spim be a problem then? === Lure is not overly concerned... [11:14] DaSkreech: what's that? [11:14] toma: be conservative. Only give away info that are strictly necessary. === AlienX [n=theanswr@unaffiliated/alienx] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Raven301 [n=raven301@London-HSE-ppp3547922.sympatico.ca] has joined #Ubuntu-Meeting [11:14] Spam through Instant Messenger [11:14] (by default) [11:14] yea i agree with allee [11:14] allee: ah right, i misunderstood. I agree [11:14] still an option but OFF by default === teckfatt [n=teckfatt@ACD7A7E1.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:14] i agree with allee too. [11:14] If someone can just send you an off message and gain a lot of information on your computer and you that might be cause for concern === ruggy [n=someone@66.199.118.2] has joined #Ubuntu-Meeting [11:15] DaSkreech, exactly what we are addressing ;) [11:15] Plus I think that Ubuntu has prided itself and marketed it self as being secure by default [11:15] I don't see an issue with "Hide system and client info" but everything else I'm happy to have changed [11:15] Riddell, spim == spam for IM's [11:15] I'll assign the bug to tonio, he's the default-settings hero [11:15] Riddell: i agree [11:15] i have another question about kopete [11:15] toma: go for it [11:15] imbrandon: RIght I'm saying that the fact that unknown people can message you and get info as soon as you start up Kopete (and some account) is serious issue [11:16] today i've learned that 0.12 sdoes not contain translations, is that handled by the lang packs? === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.43.33] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:16] toma: no, although some people might be able to translate it with rosetta if they want [11:16] but the correct solution is to get the kopete developers to fix their svn branch [11:17] KDE is perfectly able to do translations for a branch [11:17] absolutly, i'll have a look at that. [11:17] "What's that @SIG@ thing, and how do we use it?" anyone here put that on the agenda? [11:17] it just means we ship a nontranslated app, not sure if it should replace a translated one. [11:18] <[Nirvana] > prolly someone who didn't read the NOTE: [11:18] not I but it seems like its explained below the agenda [11:18] toma: if translations appear later it's not a problem to add them [11:18] look at the line i added under imbrandon's last agenda item...see my name and the info after it..that is what @SIG@ does in the wiki [11:19] nixternal, yes and that is explained in the "NOTE:" below, someone just dident read [11:19] "When will we get the wiki.kubuntu.org certificate fixed?" when the sysadmins get around to it [11:19] I'll politely poke them this week [11:19] Whats wrong with you? [11:19] thanks Riddell ;) hehe [11:19] I mean with it [11:19] allee: your item === lbm [n=lbm@0x555298ca.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:20] <[Nirvana] > speaking of certificates, when is https://xubuntu.com gonna get fixed? [11:20] Fonts of wiki.kubuntu are way to small here. [11:20] [Nirvana] , best to ask the xubuntu team / meeting [11:20] [Nirvana] : get whoever runs that site to file a request in rt [11:20] We had a similar discussion about defaut font size in kubuntu. I argue that same applies to wiki ;) [11:20] <[Nirvana] > ahh, because I filed a bug a while back [11:20] allee: heno was incharge of the wiki, I think canonical has a new webmaster about to start so it's probably in flux [11:21] Someone should fix the css [11:21] allee: really? they are quite big here (147DPI), both konqueror and firefox [11:21] allee: however best thing would be if you or someone could make a patch and I'll find the right person to send it to [11:21] Lure: when I press once ctrl-+. font size rougly matches here. [11:21] <[Nirvana] > xubuntu.com went to edubuntu, and it seems that edubuntu still owns the certificate for https://xubuntu.com...but now it points to the fridge [11:21] and / or attach it to website-bugs in LP [11:21] allee: although you shouldn't use fixed point sizes in webpages [11:21] [Nirvana] , `` [11:21] [Nirvana] : wrong meeting [11:21] ?? [11:21] [Nirvana] , this isnt the place for that [11:22] btw pretty please can we do new members in the next 30min so i can catch the last bus? [11:22] seaLne: sure, do we have any member candidates here? [11:22] preseumably seaLne is one :) [11:22] allee: I need to do Ctrl+ - twice to have the same size as wiki.k.org === DaSkreech remembers something to put into OTB [11:22] seaLne, looks to be the only one on the agenda [11:23] I changed the font size on kubuntu.org recently to make it normal size not smaller than normal [11:23] ok seaLne, could you introduce yourself === seaLne is Kenny Duffus [11:23] got a wiki page [11:23] anything about what you're been doing? [11:23] <[Nirvana] > he is THE Kenny Duffus... BehindUbuntu.com... duh! :P [11:23] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KennyDuffus [11:23] i have done various bug triaging and run behindubuntu.org and have done a few packages [11:24] [Nirvana] , this si protocal please refrain [11:24] 10k+ karma :) [11:24] behindKubuntu.org? [11:24] heehee [11:25] pay the money and i'll use it aswell :) [11:25] I should say that I've known Kenny in real life for several years and he's often let me sleep on his floor when I get stuck in Glasgow [11:25] ;) [11:25] so I might be in trouble if I don't vote him in [11:25] Riddell justs wants him in so that he has someone to talk Scots to [11:26] :p [11:26] toma, allee: any questions from our council members? [11:26] seaLne did great work on bug traige for dapper [11:26] browsing through launchpad for a second [11:27] it looks good to me [11:28] seaLne: any kubuntu specific plans? [11:28] no really. What I've seen up to now is impressive [11:29] what is sleuthkit? [11:29] toma: i'd like to see improvements in accessability [11:29] forensic sw [11:29] seaLne: we have just the spec for you http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAccessibility [11:29] lets vote [11:29] +1 from me [11:29] we have lots of expensive acessability stuf for windows but not in linux [11:30] seaLne: you have a connection to people working in kde on accessibility? [11:30] nope [11:30] seaLne: how long are you participating in (k)ubuntu? [11:31] hmm not actually sure, since some point in breezy [11:31] first sighted on #kubuntu-devel 2006-02-18 [11:31] oh no, he was on in 2005 too [11:32] 2005-09 [11:32] sept 05 [11:32] seaLne: did you sign the code of conduct? [11:33] yes he did [11:33] "Ubuntero: Yes " [11:33] ah ok [11:33] +1 for me [11:33] Okay +1 from me too. Riddell trusts him and I see lots of activity traces from him === imbrandon notes he is also a member of kubuntu-team and ubuntu-bugsquad [11:33] yay! [11:33] yes indeed [11:34] welcome to kubuntu membership seaLne [11:34] wooo :) [11:34] seaLne: congrats [11:34] seaLne, congrats [11:34] cool, we tricked another one ;-) [11:34] seaLne: congrats [11:34] hehe [11:34] haha [11:34] any other member candidates now? [11:34] one of these days ... [11:35] Lure: your item [11:35] is it clear now what is accepted of edgy in terms of Kubuntu spec? [11:35] (and general updated on major conclusion from UDS in paris) [11:36] s/updated/update/ [11:36] and if so where is it housed other than Riddell's mind ;) [11:36] ( the kubuntu specifics ) === allee is especially curious how interaction/help from KDE devels worked out === ruggy [n=someone@66.199.118.2] has left #Ubuntu-Meeting ["Leaving"] [11:36] yes, the blogs wheren't much helpfull [11:36] the specs are still at https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+specs === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:36] I need to target the edgy ones to edgy [11:37] and there's a bunch I need to tidy up and poke through to approval [11:37] toma: I'll do a more complete blog soon [11:37] allee: having the KDE devels was really cool [11:37] at least for me it meant there was more than me at the KDE BoFs [11:37] kwwii: any opinion? [11:38] the teamspeak stuff didn't relly work, it's just too difficult to have a conversation in two places like that at once [11:38] what were some of the major things that you think will affect kubuntu as a whole decided ? [11:38] well, we are starting a totally new way of working on the artwork [11:38] Mark announced today that I will be "artist in chief" for kubuntu for the edgy cycle [11:38] kwwii: announced where? [11:38] kwwii: cool! [11:38] on the ubuntu-artwork list [11:39] congrats kwwii [11:39] @schedule Brussels [11:39] great [11:39] Schedule for Europe/Brussels: Current meeting: Kubuntu | 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team [11:39] kwwii: cool [11:39] well, I am my own boss, that is what is means [11:39] but this time I want to get more people involved [11:39] kwwii, where did he announce it ? [11:39] I have already talked to a few guys about helping out [11:39] <[Nirvana] > ubuntu-art he announced it [11:39] <[Nirvana] > on June 18 [11:39] imbrandon: my main focus will be laptop support, although I've no idea how I'll do the laptop buttons since my laptop buttons don't seem to work at all [11:39] no, he only announced it today [11:40] that myself and frank schoep will be the AICs [11:40] that adds a lot of coordination work which I did not have during dapper [11:40] kubuntu-accessibility will be cool to have [11:40] and well overdue [11:40] Riddell: I can help on buttons (not sure for PM GUI as I am not GUI developer ;-)) [11:40] definitly [11:40] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-June/002250.html <-- the announcement [11:40] something laptop related that would be nice to fix is on this hp if you turn off wireless in windows you can't turn it on in linux afaik [11:40] kubuntu-easy-zeroconf also nice [11:41] seaLne: easy fix - do not use windows ;-) [11:41] and I need to talk to mornfall about how we'll manage adept, but he seems to be cracking on with development at the moment [11:41] Riddell: did any of the KDE devels show interest to help on some specs? [11:41] tonight i had to to login to the fscking wireless :( [11:41] allee: I know el will help with the usability stuff we started with her === allee will at least monitor comment on latopbuttons. More if time permits ... [11:42] allee: and ervin will be interested in the laptop stuff from a Solid viewpoint === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.32.133] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:42] but I'm not interested in turning KDE developers into kubuntu developers, we need an upstream too! [11:43] ;) [11:43] Riddell: will sebas work on PM GUI? [11:43] Lure: oh yes, he started that already [11:43] (or should we hack kpowersave wityh hal [11:43] Riddell: great! [11:43] yes, saw some commits already [11:43] toma: kde svn? [11:43] yes [11:43] Riddell, is the solid stuff going to be making its way into edgy ? [11:43] Lure: the powersave stuff is interesting since shortly after we wrote the spec saying "we'll just make our own simple powersave frontend that uses HAL"... [11:44] riddell: any more thoughts on dropping gamin or not? [11:44] they wrote an e-mail saying they'd turn kpowersave into a simple HAL frontend [11:44] uniq: I'm packaging kdelibs just now and have dropped gamin, I'll see how it works [11:44] Riddell: true, I think they have seen that big splash inclusion into kde is less likely [11:44] imbrandon: no, solid is kde 4 [11:45] riddell: with --enable-fast-malloc (would make adept faster don't know anything about side effects) and +inotify? [11:45] Riddell: There will be KDE4 Debs for Edgy? [11:45] Riddell: we need to discuss with sebas interaction between kmilo & new-pm-gui regarding suspend/hibernate keys... [11:45] kde-kiosk-profiles is a fun task for anyone with a few evenings to spare [11:45] (or is this already clear?) [11:45] DaSkreech, no [11:46] DaSkreech: only very early ones for developers [11:46] DaSkreech, preview only in late october [11:46] uniq: I'll look into using those too, thanks for reminding me [11:46] Riddell: isn't Tonio_ expert in profiles? [11:46] uniq: inotify is in there of course [11:46] imbrandon: Wel Riddell is slated for KDE4 on edgy [11:46] DaSkreech, preview only in late october [11:46] Lure: that's not difficult, we just use standard X keys and bindings [11:47] DaSkreech: I'm not slated for anything, I don't want to be slated thanks [11:47] lol [11:47] Riddell: ok, so pm-gui will have proper xkeysym binding for X86Sleep? [11:47] Lure: that's the idea [11:47] Ah ok so don't expect a KDE4 Repo till Fuzzy Ferret? [11:47] riddell: great, if you build ppc debs i can test, :) [11:47] DaSkreech: correct [11:47] ok cool :) [11:48] DaSkreech: although we might have early kdelibs packages [11:48] <[Nirvana] > Fuzzy Ferret is next? [11:48] [Nirvana] : No [11:48] Riddell: any idea how to make kmilo bindings configurable (g-s-d has some xml config file) [11:48] Flirty Flamingo :) [11:48] [Nirvana] , no name for it yet other than it will PROBBABLY start with an F [11:48] Lure: we make kmilo create standard X keys then let the suitable application pick them up and make them configurable [11:49] Next agenda item? [11:49] <[Nirvana] > that's funny because someone at neowin.net was said he was waiting for the Farty Ferret release, so they weren't too far off [11:49] would be nice to package kde4 next to kde3 [11:49] so people can test [11:49] so in conclusion edgy looks cool and if anyone wants to pick up a spec and run with it please feel free to do so (but let me know) [11:49] toma: something for kubuntu.org maybe? [11:49] ? [11:50] imbrandon: your item [11:50] that would be mine, was wondring about the kde edgy timetable and when its going to tentively be uploaded [11:50] uniq: yes [11:50] ok got to go see yas later [11:50] adieu [11:50] bye [11:50] as gnome is already in the edgy repos [11:50] seaLne: bye [11:50] Timetable for KDE 3.5.3 ( or what ever version we're starting with ) getting uploaded to Edgy ( Gnome uploaded already ) -- imbrandon [11:51] imbrandon: well I've done qt 3 and 4 today, kdelibs is currently compiling away [11:51] but i also seen kdelibs just come accross edgy-changes a few moments ago [11:51] and I'll do the rest tomorrow and wednesday [11:51] you have? [11:51] how many Apps have jumped to KDE4? [11:51] err qt4-x11 [11:51] ^^ my mistake [11:51] imbrandon: phew :) [11:51] DaSkreech: none [11:51] Amarok, Kopete.. Kouple others [11:51] DaSkreech: a couple on qt 4 though [11:52] Sorry that's what I meant [11:52] DaSkreech, none for kde4 , some qt4 [11:52] DaSkreech: they *can* be compiled, but none are fully ported [11:52] neither amarok nor kopete use qt 4 [11:52] imbrandon: does that answer your question? [11:52] it would be silly to post major apps this early [11:52] and yes Riddell thanks [11:53] one of my coworkers mentioned that a new gnome was added recently [11:53] still plenty of gaps in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates if anyone wants to take some [11:53] toma: yes, the new gnome is being uploaded, although not very fast since they're at guadec [11:53] Riddell, been working on some , also what do we do with those for us MOTU hopefulls? upload to revu ? [11:53] imbrandon: your item again [11:53] <[Nirvana] > if KDE 3.5.4 is slated for the end of July, we'll see it in edgy right? [11:54] <[Nirvana] > sorry for hijacking^ [11:54] imbrandon: upload to revu and find someone to take a look at it, I'm happy to [11:54] nm [11:54] [Nirvana] : yes, I expect it will be [11:54] Riddell, ok , and my next item .... [11:54] Sugest Getting a KDE theme and redirects for doc.kubuntu.org and help.kubuntu.org just as *.ubuntu.com -- imbrandon [11:54] nixternal has info on this? [11:54] KDE theme is being worked on as we speak...redirects are all still in the process as the transfer to h.u.c isnt' complete 100%...we (DocTeam & WikiTeam) are currently working on getting this all organized...mdke is the man in charge [11:54] kinda like the wiki.k.org [11:54] cool [11:54] ;) [11:55] nixternal: who's working on redirects? [11:55] only CatDocs is being transferred from current wiki to new wiki...Matthew East === jjesse [i=user@69-87-143-45.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:55] hi jjesse [11:55] and that guy there [11:55] hello [11:55] ;) [11:55] so all things on w.k.o will take you to h.u.c as it is [11:55] rain delay? [11:56] nixternal: has he requested the domains be set up? [11:56] jjesse: you couldn't be any more perfect on time [11:56] gotta leave soon to softball game [11:56] real quick :) [11:56] domains and all that should be completed already... [11:56] apokryphos, as is right now yes [11:56] everything is being ported if it belongs to CategoryDocumentation to help.ubuntu.com [11:56] dig help.kubuntu.org [11:56] doesn't seem to return anythin [11:57] right but what about help.kubuntu.org ;) [11:57] correct [11:57] the wiki.ubuntu.com is staying, just all of the CatDoc is being redirected [11:57] there is no subdomain for h.k.o [11:57] nixternal, we are talking about resirects for the DNS and Kubuntu themes [11:57] i don't think anything has been setup yet for help.kubuntu.com to redirect to anything, it was just a minor suggestion at the time to mdke [11:57] that i can dig at least [11:58] jjesse, major sugestion to us kubuntu peeps ;) [11:58] Kubuntu themes are being recreated due to the moinmoin upgrade...old theme doesn't work with new server [11:58] would be a good idea to get done; would be nice to have cleaner kubuntu theme when viewing docs [11:58] i just asked mdke if we could setup the kubuntu template from the wiki on help.ubuntu.com and also see if we could get a redirect [11:58] the last i knew he was working on getting it taken care of [11:58] reason i suggested to him was because he manages help.ubuntu.com [11:58] ok jjesse thanks [11:58] ok, I'll talk to mdke and see if he needs anything out of me for it [11:58] I'd love to see it happen of course === nixternal too [11:59] sure, i think we have two people imbrandon and me trying to get teh same thing done w/o talking to each other :) [11:59] hahah ;) probbly [11:59] jjesse, i'll ping ya after, also is kwwii working ont he theme artwork ? [11:59] in fact i wasn't even aware it was on the agenda until nixternal brought it up to me before the meeting started [11:59] sorry i can't stay longer gotta go play softball :) [11:59] doin' what i can boss ;) [11:59] imbrandon: i'll be out for a couple of hours [12:00] ok np [12:00] gl jjesse ;) [12:00] jjesse: any suggestions from you about meeting time? [12:00] NEW meeting time ;) [12:00] 2100 utc is 5 o'clock my time [12:00] when i leave for work [12:00] leave work [12:00] for home, so even an hour earlier would be perfect [12:00] imbrandon: yes, as "artist in chief" for the edgy cycle, I will be working on the theme artwork [12:00] and hobbsee wants later [12:01] hobssee suggested 13:00utc for her [12:01] kwwii, cool just makin sure ;) [12:01] :) [12:01] any other agenda items before we do next meeting time? [12:02] I have one [12:02] could someone post a story to dot.kde.org about the ubuntuos podcast? [12:02] the what? [12:02] toma: see kubuntu.org === nixternal just finished listening to that [12:02] Riddell, heheh i'll try , also have you listend to the sound quality on that ewwww [12:02] toma: podcast with our very own Riddell 8) [12:02] imbrandon: I know. they're recording it over transatlantic skype [12:03] Riddell, we did one with ummm ( not realeased yet ) on buntudot.org transalatic and its VERY clear ;) [12:03] skype! OMG, non-free software [12:03] hahah kwwii [12:03] kwwii, better than skype for windows though ;) [12:04] one step closer to FOSS ;) [12:04] hehe [12:04] ok new meeting time ? 1300 utc ? thats ummm *calculates local time* [12:05] imbrandon: did anyone step up? [12:05] toma, to what ? [12:05] for the dot story? [12:05] ahh i said i would try , i have never posted to dot.kde but i'll give it a shot [12:05] ah cool [12:05] it's the Contribute link on the left [12:05] kk [12:05] thing is, it's not that much about kde really eh? [12:06] kde developer ;) [12:06] riddell = kde [12:06] kubuntu plans for edgy [12:06] it's all related, dot takes any story with a KDE angle [12:06] so next meeting, how does 13:00UTC suit people? [12:06] sounds perfect to me [12:07] <[Nirvana] > Prolly not good for West Coast North America [12:07] or we could try it at that time as a one off to see if anyone still turns up [12:07] in the weekend you mean ? ;-) [12:07] hmm thats like early AM in the US [12:08] <[Nirvana] > in New York/Toronto/Basically along the East Coast it's 9:00 AM, which isn't bad [12:08] 8am [12:08] what do you think it is here right now? [12:08] nope, 9am [12:08] imbrandon: what time is it for you? [12:08] yea 1300 is ok for me personaly but i was thinking about day job people [12:08] Riddell: 13.00 is during work time. So I can promise to be available [12:08] it's 9am for jjesse wherever he is