[12:06] no... [12:06] fbond: done [12:06] thanks! [12:07] I'm debdiffing the dapper package vs the debian unstable [12:07] and for some reason it complains about not finding the public keys [12:07] need to install debian-keyring, maybe? [12:07] (is that what that package is called?) [12:08] I've never gotten that, and I don't have debian-keyring installed. [12:08] indeed it is weird [12:08] I'll try that, I suppose [12:08] which public keys is it looking for, yours , or someone elses (the package developers) [12:08] elses [12:08] it has mine [12:10] anyone like to look at midisport-firmware on revu? Just uploaded after re-working the maintainer files (that download/install/remove firmware)? [12:11] err [12:11] is that free? [12:13] Heya crimsun [12:13] hi bddebian === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] hi bddebian [12:14] well, the debian-keyring makes it stop complaining about one of the keys [12:14] I have the ubuntu-keyring, so I dunno what's up [12:15] Hello antinobody [12:17] crimsun: not exactly free. MidiMan/Maudio allows the firmware to be distributed with the source package of my package [12:17] any way to check what pub-key a .dsc was produced with? [12:17] then at least I could figure out which one was left [12:17] my package is stripped of firmware, and re-downloads the source package at install time [12:17] Ack, dinner time [12:22] fbond: err, ok. So a multiverse candidate. [12:23] crimsun, yes, I suppose it would be multiverse... [12:23] I guess my control file should say so. [12:23] vim didn't like multiverse in there, though [12:24] be nice is vim was trained for ubuntu control files [12:24] fbond: no, the component override is handled server-side [12:25] component override ... haven't heard that phrase before. How does the server know that midisport-firmware belongs in multiverse? [12:25] fbond: the archive team sets that in an override on the server. === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] hmm, revu is not showing the most recent version of my package ... how long is the delay between scans of incoming? [12:30] Hey all. [12:38] fbond: June 25 18:05 ? [12:38] 'lo TheMuso, arrived home safely I take it? [12:40] Indeed I did. [12:41] And feeling a lot better after a good night's sleep. :) [12:41] crimsun, that date/time is correct, but the details are for the previous upload... [12:42] perhaps my previous mistake of uploading a binary package disrupted the normal order of things... [12:42] ok, nm, just fixed === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar [12:44] time for great bzr justice. [12:45] gotta run ... also uploaded "lash" to revu, if anyone has time for that === fbond is now known as fbond|away === kr4z [n=kr4z@stjhnf0111w-142163099216.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] if anyone is graciously looking over my packages, please hold up for a few, I hadn't uploaded .orig.tar.gz files. thanks, and sorry. === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp13-65.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukketto [n=lukketto@host151-159.pool876.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukketto [n=lukketto@host151-159.pool876.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:17] Hey LaserJock [01:17] I gather you got home safely? [01:19] TheMuso: yeah, relatively. I got really sick the last day and am trying to figure out what all I need to replace from my stolen wallet [01:19] TheMuso: basically, the good was really good, but the bad was really bad ;-) [01:19] Ouch. That really sucks. [01:20] yeah, well ... [01:20] sorry to hear [01:20] sounds like a pretty standard dev conf, then ;) [01:20] at least nobody lost their laptop, that I know of [01:20] something really crappy normally occurs at each dev conf [01:20] LaserJock: I know how it feels [01:21] heh, I'm still awaiting my luggage from Baltimore, MD [01:21] last I checked it was in Dallas, TX [01:21] I'm just lucky that nothing of mine went missing for my first trip alone. :) [01:22] TheMuso: yeah, this was my first trip overseas. I can't I'm exactly eager for my next trip [01:22] crimsun: Now that really sucks. [01:22] eh, it could be worse. My house could have been obliterated by a hurricane. [01:22] True that. [01:22] crimsun: I managed to stuff everythin in my carry on so I wouldn't have to worry about loosing luggage [01:22] Where do you live anyway? [01:23] TheMuso: Greensboro, NC [01:23] Ah ok [01:23] LaserJock: I normally haul my own luggage, but all the flights were overbooked so I was forced to check it [01:24] anyhow, back to Scott's bzr pages === redguy [n=mati@adl88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] crimsun: bummer [01:25] crimsun: the "no more source packages" stuff? === ajmitch had better start packing, flight leaves in <24 h [01:26] ajmitch: Where you off to? [01:26] australia [01:26] aka west island [01:26] Ah ok. [01:26] heh [01:27] LaserJock: yeah [01:29] crimsun: unfortunately I didn't get to go to any of the BOFs for that, I'm really interested in it === fbond|away is now known as fbond [01:43] so ... what's involved with getting packages contributed to Ubuntu into Debian after that? [01:43] or is there a document I can reference? [01:44] you're going backward [01:44] if you want it in Debian, get it into Debian first. It'll be autosynced into Ubuntu. [01:44] Hmm. What happens to packages accepted via REVU? [01:44] I mean, you can swim upstream, but it takes more effort. [01:44] hi crimsun [01:44] Right. [01:45] revu is specific to Ubuntu currently. Debian has a separate admittance process per se. [01:45] 'lo tseng [01:45] I had a few packages in dapper that went in via revu. [01:45] They need to go back into revu to get into edgy? [01:45] fbond: no, once they're in Ubuntu, they're in. [01:45] (unless you request them to be removed) [01:46] dsd said nice things about you [01:47] tseng: heads-up in case you use rxvt-unicode*: Decklin has changed the semantics of rxvt-unicode-lite, and it no longer support Xft fonts by default, which will become apparent once 7.7-4 (or newer) is synced [01:48] crimsun: ok, i dont use lite [01:48] ah, ok. [01:48] i have 60gb [01:48] so if a package is in Ubuntu, then someone else submits the same package to Debian, does the Debian package take precedence on the next Ubuntu-Debian sync? [01:49] fbond: no, there's a permanent delta at that point, which is unfortunate (and has occurred in the past) [01:49] So, in the interest of minimizing delta, it would be good to try to get a revu'd pacckage into Debian, right? [01:50] fbond: before getting it into Ubuntu, yes [01:50] and if it's too late for that? [01:50] then go ahead and get it into Debian. The next packaging revision, just manually take the Debian source package as authoritative [01:51] it's normally not an issue unless the orig.tar.gzs differ [01:51] since all you'll be adjusting is the diff.gz [01:52] I see. In your opinion, is it worth the extra effort it would take to get the package into Debian? [01:52] absolutely. [01:52] it's not really extra effort per se [01:52] it's just a different route [01:52] I understood that getting anything into debian is quite time-consuming... [01:52] fbond: I've done 2 packages from scratch, one I did via REVU -> Debian and the other I did straight to Debian and had is synced into Ubuntu [01:53] fbond: that [mis] conception is exaggerated [01:53] ok. [01:53] yeah, especially if your package has already gone through the REVU proccess [01:53] is there a different approach to take on the way into debian if a package has already been revu'd? [01:53] mine took 2 days to get uploaded into Debian unstable after it was already in Dapper [01:54] what is the correct entry point into Debian? [01:55] you should look to see if an ITP (intent to package) bug has already been filed in Debian [01:55] already checked that [01:55] I check for any package I'm working on, got burned in Dapper cause I duplicated efforts with someone in Debian [01:55] k, so then you can file one [01:57] I personally found the debian-mentors mailing place a good spot to plug into Debian [01:57] mailing list [01:58] ok [01:59] 1. file ITP 2. join debian-mentors, send email explaining situation ??? [02:00] you want to send a RFS (Request for Sponsor) email to debian-mentors [02:00] debian and their acronyms [02:00] used to run debian before ubuntu -- not dissing debian [02:01] yeah, but then we have MOTU so ... ;-) [02:02] true [02:02] funny, when I was in high school, I did audio engineering for a small-town hip hop group called Master of the Universe [02:03] this is in rural New England, by the way (if you are American and that means anything to you) [02:03] here is a good resource if you haven't seen it already: http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html [02:03] anyway, thanks for the input, I'll get on the Debian case, I guess [02:04] ok, dinner time, see y'all around === fbond is now known as fbond|away [02:04] it really is worth it to get stuff in Debian [02:04] noted. talk to you soon, and thanks again. [02:05] np [02:09] re === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === pschulz01 [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === havoc [n=havoc@CPE-24-167-241-63.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] hiya === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] bddebian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangria [02:58] I know what it is, I just didn't think tseng drank [02:58] hi bddebian & crimsun [02:59] re Toadstool [02:59] Heya Toadstool [02:59] hey [02:59] re zul [02:59] Hi zul [02:59] hey zul [02:59] hi everybody [02:59] LaserJock!! [03:00] LaserJock: How was Gay Paris? [03:00] interesting [03:00] heya LaserJock [03:00] I had a lot of fun, but am very glad to be back [03:01] Why's that? [03:01] Don't like hairy women? === bddebian hides [03:01] :) [03:01] I got pickpocketed on the subway [03:01] and got a cold on the last day [03:02] er, Paris... [03:02] Crime in France? Not possible [03:03] but my laptop made it ok so that's good [03:04] grah, meeting this morning at 9am and it's 3am... [03:04] g'night everybody [03:04] Eeks [03:04] Gnight Toadstool [03:04] cya ToadZzZztool === antinobody [n=sean@71-214-90-191.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] Not that any of you care but I [03:09] 'll bbiab :-) === sean [n=sean@71-214-90-191.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] hello === antinobody [n=sean@71-214-90-191.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] hmm...it appears I killed my pgp-key [03:18] again [03:19] these keys and I do not get along well === Hawkwind_Lappy [n=SoS@cpe-70-122-77-122.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU [03:40] LaserJock: did you get a french taunting a la monty python? [03:41] no, it would have been funny [03:41] I thought about it when I was walking around Notre Dame [03:42] so where is the next conference going to be so i can start saving ;) [03:43] not sure, I heard mutterings of Brazil and Florida/LA [03:44] florida would be good [03:44] but it's totally up in the air at this point === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.147.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] heh...we could leave some users in east la [03:47] I think south america would be fun, but from what I say in Paris, the internet connections might be a problem [03:48] s/say/saw/ === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:48] la is a bit expensive [03:49] perhaps, Paris was quite expensive [03:49] especially if you get picked pocketed [03:50] heh, yeah [03:50] Brazil isn't cheap either [03:51] heh [03:51] the food is cheap [03:52] and probably better than that steak tartar or whatever it was === jsgotangco cringes at 4 coke [03:52] yep [03:53] im supposed to be at work today but i didn't because my back is still aching after a 15 hour flight [03:53] I've got a bad cold [03:54] I've been throwing up all morning [03:54] but at least I'm home ;-) [03:54] sounds more like the flu [03:54] perhaps [03:55] it sure made the 24 hrs of travel fun :-) [03:55] when i was a kid i puked all over the flight stewardess it wasnt fun [03:55] everyone loves travelling sick [03:56] one of the few great joys of life [03:56] yeah its nice to have real food after a week [03:57] jsgotangco: well, I haven't been able to keep much of anything down, but I could sure smell the McDonalds when I got into LAX ;-) [03:57] joy === ajmitch is going to be travelling tonight/tomorrow === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] LaserJock: you missed a lot of stuff happening around 3-4am saturday hehee [03:58] jsgotangco: ? [03:58] when people started coming back to the hotel [03:58] I got up about 4am [03:58] but was just in the room [03:58] but were you at the lobby? [03:58] heh [03:59] what happened? === jsgotangco keeps mum [04:00] I was sick and didn't want to drink so I went back to the hotel with Claire and elmo [04:00] jsgotangco: you were in the lobby? [04:00] we went with you remember i was with BenC and Klaus [04:00] right [04:01] Claire still had a bottle of wine and we finished it up [04:02] and we stayed in the lobby till 4 i think [04:04] sounds like I didn't miss out on much ;-) [04:04] heh we had good stories [04:05] any mao? [04:05] I wanted to play again [04:05] no not at all, just finishing up the wine [04:06] i just helped elmo and claire clean up the equipment after that [04:07] ah [04:07] Hey jsgotangco. [04:07] TheMuso: hey had your rest already? [04:07] I could of helped but highvoltage needed to be up early so I didn't want bother him [04:07] Yes I have. It is 12:08PM here. :) [04:08] SO I have been up for a while. [04:08] Will just have another early night tonight, and I should be fine. [04:09] me too i just have a bad back at the moment so i skipped work [04:09] heh === Unfrgiven [n=ankur@ubuntu/member/unfrgiven] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] Hi all! [04:11] hi! [04:11] i have a feeling I won't be going to work tomorrow [04:11] hi shawarma [04:11] I wonder if my lug knows about mao [04:12] I need to try it again [04:12] LaserJock: Heh... I've thought of playing Mao as well. I've been trying to find proper translations for all the common phrases, but it's not really that easy. [04:13] When "failure to x" doesn't even translate very well at all, it's kind of hard to get anywhere. :-) [04:13] shawarma: what language do you need it translated in? [04:13] LaserJock: Danish. [04:13] you're Danish? [04:13] Yes... [04:14] What did you think? [04:14] heh [04:14] dang, you're English is so good I thought maybe you were American [04:14] well he did look english to me though === shawarma wonders if that actually counts as a compliment [04:14] hahha [04:14] well.. [04:14] did you guys just read that freenode has been hacked - passwords maybe compromised. http://tgmandry.blogspot.com/2006/06/worlds-largest-foss-irc-network.html [04:14] Anyone in their right mind uses a crap password for IRC anyway. [04:14] Unfrgiven, we lived it last evening that you [04:14] hi Unfrgiven, been a long time. [04:15] whiprush: hey dude. yeah it has. how r u? [04:15] s/that/thank [04:15] good good [04:15] hey whiprush [04:15] (I have no idea who would possibly want my passwords, as they're all beyond my own comprehension, but whatever...) [04:15] imbrandon: right so im very late to panic :) [04:15] hi jerome [04:16] heh and anyone would not be very smart to use a secure password for a unsecure netwrok,if they had i'm sure they went in a fury of changing password last night [04:16] too bad i didnt see that much of paris at night [04:17] jsgotangco: Yeah. I didn't even see the Eiffel tower. [04:17] heya jsgotangco [04:17] heya crimsun [04:17] shawarma: no? [04:17] heya [04:18] shawarma: No, I kind of kept procrastinating it until there was just no time left. [04:18] the night we went out last friday was the first time BenC left at the hotel [04:18] jsgotangco: Me too. [04:18] gee === Hawkwind [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU [04:18] I made it to a few places before my wallet was stolen [04:18] LaserJock: Really? Bummer. [04:19] but at like 17 eur per trip I couldn't got that often anyway === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thierryn [n=thierry@modemcable122.61-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] at least i was able to see some artwork in paris [04:23] yeah, I didn't make it there [04:24] Notre Dame was the best for me [04:54] man my back is really hammered [05:00] from the flight? [05:01] lucky chap [05:02] yeah [05:02] schiphol is so big and i had my backpack full so [05:11] incase anyone isnt paying attn to notices .... [05:15] watching all those joins scroll down is kind of theraputic === ajmitch wonders what the big statement will be [05:15] since I can't be bothered joining :) === antinobody will tell ajmitch when he knows [05:16] ajmitch by the way, network-manager made my head hurt, so I went back to learning on k3b === ajmitch thought someone was already handling k3b [05:18] they are [05:18] I'm just using it as practice === antinobody doesn't know what one's no one is working on anyway [05:19] mostly universe stuff === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:20] s, pero qu [05:20] antinobody, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates is a good place to check if you like KDE stuff [05:20] oh! that huge list below the smaller list [05:20] Ha! [05:21] Heya gang === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] heya bddebian [05:23] hey bddebian === jsgotangco uninstalls teamspeak =) [05:24] hehe [05:25] Heya imbrandon, antinobody [05:25] antinobody: I'll take on network-manager by the way. [05:26] I kind of volunteered to make it do "the right things[tm] " at UDS. [05:26] shawarma cool [05:26] I think I'll look at abakus [05:26] you're a brave person [05:26] it seems simple enough [05:26] he is [05:26] (n-m is a thorn) [05:26] crimsun: brave and/or foolish [05:27] crimsun: I know. I've worked on it before. [05:27] crimsun: Keybuk had some particularly interesting swear words about it. :-) [05:28] ajmitch the big announcement was just the whole compromised staffer account from yesterday [05:28] now they're taking questions [05:28] terribly exciting [05:28] Oh indeed, you're missing a hellova party [05:29] I'll survive === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [05:40] yeah, the only difference for abakus is the use of dh_iconcache. No need to change the package [05:44] right considering thats in the kde.mk now [05:45] kde.mk? [05:46] antinobody, include debian/cdbs/kde.mk is in the rules [05:46] and kde.mk includes dh_iconcache now [05:47] so when its sync'd and built its not needed as long as thats the only change [05:47] I see, so then abakus can be synced [05:47] right [05:47] as long as that is the only change from the version in debian [05:48] Do you know where the schedule for Edgy is? [05:48] http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/EdgyReleaseSchedule.ics [05:49] theres a wiki page too but i dont have the link right off [05:50] I found the wiki [05:50] should I list abakus as done==Y, SYNC? [05:50] Or is there someone I'm supposed to mention this to? === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:51] On the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates [05:51] yea list it as Y sync and your name , and no Riddell check that page as needed [05:52] thats the reason its there [05:52] graca [05:52] s [05:53] if you find one that needs merged, work on merging it and then makrk it as merg and upload to revu then link to your revu upload on the wiki entry [05:53] it will get looked at as time permits Riddell or others [05:53] cool, thanks for the help [05:53] np [05:53] I feel almost like I'm doing something useful [05:53] heh === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] I suppose this means I have to make a REVU account... === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] Do I have to join ubuntu-universe-contributors to upload merged packages to REVU, imbrandon? [06:19] "ubuntu-universe-contributors"? [06:19] no , follow the wiki instructions for uploading to revu [06:20] all right [06:20] you need to send a pgp key [06:20] etc [06:20] btw [06:20] right, right [06:20] whats ubuntu-universe-contibutor? [06:20] I've deleted two of those already [06:20] a MOTU ? [06:20] MOTUs are automatically members [06:20] but it's on the REVU wiki [06:21] erm ok, never noticed that group on LP but in any case its PROBBLY something for revu2 , not to worry about it atm [06:21] This team holds all members, which may upload to revu. At the moment, Revu2 is not finished yet. However, to faciliate key management with http://revu.tauware.de, this group was created. When revu2 is finished, we will keep this group. This team was described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU2Spec [06:21] it appears to be for refu2 indeed [06:22] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/REVU [06:22] ^^ hats what you need to follow for the current revu, not to say that wont change for revu2 but thats not working atm [06:22] s/hats/thats [06:23] pssh, I'll worry about that when I finish merging agistudio [06:24] you might shoot off the email with the key and such as its not an automatic process [06:24] might take time [06:24] ;) [06:24] right, right [06:26] hmm [06:26] It is not necessary to GetYourKeySigned, but it is a good idea anyway. In order to upload to REVU, you will need to be added to the REVU keyring. Be sure that you have a [WWW] Launchpad account and that you have added your GPGKey to it. Then ask to [WWW] be added to the Ubuntu Universe Contributors team. One of the REVU admins will add you then to the group (== Upload rights for REVU). You don't need a password to upload packages, only [06:26] . [06:26] What is this e-mail you speak of? [06:27] the wiki does not mention it [06:28] ajmitch know anything about using REVU (being an admin and all)? [06:29] antinobody: I'm not sure if the Launchpad stuff is fully working yet or not, but I think it might be [06:29] worth a shot I suppose [06:29] sure [06:29] siretart will probably email you if not [06:30] all righty [06:31] what's the debian/watch file do? [06:31] it seems to list the source page, but why exactly? [06:32] it isn't in the debian version, so I'm curious if it's just something we do, or what? [06:32] antinobody, it's used by uscan [06:32] gracas anibal [06:32] antinobody: to check for new versions upstream [06:33] y tritium [06:34] antinobody, it's also to display new version of upstream releases at pages http://like qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=anibal [06:37] anyone know what the Standards Version is? [06:37] I feel ignorant again [06:38] what it is in Ubuntu Dapper [or in Debian Sid] , or what it signifies? [06:38] the answer to the latter is in the Policy [06:39] which, not coincidentally, is also related to the Standards-Version [06:39] [http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Standards-Version] [06:41] ok, so if that increases with the Sid release, that change should go into Egdy [06:42] Also, if /packaging/debian/control still lists only the build-depends for debian and they're different in Ubuntu that needs to be fixed, right? (the Dapper version didn't change that file) [06:42] it's kinda subjective, IMO. It usually just whatever is current whenever you package it [06:46] antinobody: generally try to minimise deltas against the Debian source package [06:47]