[02:03] <bddebian> Hello
[02:32] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: ping?
[02:32] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:33] <jsgotangco> everything ok on your side now?
[02:33] <LaserJock> oh, I don't know
[02:34] <jsgotangco> eh?
[02:34] <LaserJock> I'm still sick and I need to get a new driver's license
[02:38] <jsgotangco> :/
[02:44] <LaserJock> your back any better? is it morning there?
[02:44] <jsgotangco> yeah im much ok now, i am currently at work
[02:45] <jsgotangco> i just spent the whole day sleeping yesterday
[02:56] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm trying to take it easy today
[03:31] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: are you still interested in forking gperiodic?
[03:32] <LaserJock> I don't know
[03:32] <LaserJock> I think it would be great
[03:32] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure about time
[03:32] <jsgotangco> well let's not aim for edgy then
[03:32] <jsgotangco> this would be considered upstream work
[03:32] <jsgotangco> or even continue development upstream
[03:33] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:38] <jsgotangco> i can grab the current source and make a tabbed glade interface
[03:38] <dunn> Can you ask for help here?  I am new
[03:38] <LaserJock> I just grabbed the latest source from 2003
[03:39] <LaserJock> dunn: sure, you might even get a good answer :-)
[03:39] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: it's written in C though :(
[03:39] <jsgotangco> meh
[03:40] <dunn> I can not install edubuntu on a tray load iMac.  I  receive the following message: can't allocate device-tree chunk.  Any ideas.  The imac just boots to open firmware.
[03:44] <LaserJock> dunn: hmm, I'm no help
[03:46] <crimsun> mm C.
[03:56] <LaserJock> hmm, gperiodic looks pretty dead
[03:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: hey
[03:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: would you like to try exelearning for ubuntu?
[03:57] <jsgotangco> hey
[03:57] <jsgotangco> exelerning?
[03:57] <mhz> http://exelearning.org/?q=screenshots
[03:57] <mhz> VERY cool
[03:58] <mhz> moodle content creation from desktop
[03:58] <jsgotangco> interesting...
[04:00] <jsgotangco> hmm runs on twisted thats nice
[04:04] <bimberi> dunn: https://launchpad.net/bugs/34508 - there's a lot there, there's talk of people installing breezy and upgrading from there as a workaround
[04:20] <dunn> thank you bimberi
[04:21] <bimberi> dunn: yw :)
[04:21] <crimsun> cool, blame all boogs on seb for gperiodic
[04:22] <LaserJock> seb?
[04:23] <crimsun> seb128 is the Debian maintainer.
[04:24] <crimsun> neat, 2.0.8 was released in March?
[04:24] <jsgotangco> ahh well i dont think seb has the time to update the application it just pales in comparison to kalzium...
[04:30] <LaserJock> hmm, well it seems that gperiodic is a bit disorganized
[04:32] <crimsun> I'd love to see it updated
[04:33] <LaserJock> the first website I went to was up to 1.3.3 and the link in the Debian package is dead
[04:33] <crimsun> yeah, there's a bug filed on that.
[04:33] <LaserJock> I did some googling and after some redirects I think I found the homepage
[04:34] <crimsun> debian 358693
[04:35] <LaserJock> so the latest version is from Dec. 2004
[04:40] <LaserJock> bah, I sure want to get that fixed
[04:45] <crimsun> which issue{,s}?
[04:49] <LaserJock> well, it just isn't good enough
[04:49] <LaserJock> it needs a better GUI
[04:49] <LaserJock> and a bit more information
[04:50] <LaserJock> basically we need it to be a Gnome equivalent of kalzium
[04:52] <crimsun> erg.
[04:52] <crimsun> yeah, that's a tight spot.
[04:52] <crimsun> having never "ported" a Qt app to GTK, I can't speak
[04:54] <LaserJock> well most of the data is there
[04:54] <LaserJock> it just needs to get spiffed up
[04:54] <LaserJock> and the data organized
[04:55] <LaserJock> the one thing that *is* missing is that kalzium has a little picture of each element, which is pretty cool
[05:00] <crimsun> that's pretty important imo
[05:00] <crimsun> how a11y-friendly is it?
[05:01] <LaserJock> not sure
[05:01] <crimsun> (I've never taught chem to deaf or blind students)
[05:01] <LaserJock> but I think it would be good to sort of "fix" it up
[05:03] <jsgotangco> im not sure if a simple glade fix would work though
[05:03] <jsgotangco> at first glance it looks easy
[10:01] <cbx33> mornin people
[10:04] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:04] <pygi> hey jsgotangco, cbx33 
[10:05] <jsgotangco> hey pygi
[10:09] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all :)
[10:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was wondering what cd i want with edubuntu - does the 'live' do the same as an ubuntu 'desktop' install?
[10:27] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks :)
[11:31] <cbx33> mornin ogra 
[11:48] <jsgotangco> hey highvoltage
[11:49] <jsgotangco> ohhh auto join hehe
[12:01] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco :)
[12:45] <cbx33> so where can we find the outcome of the summit?
[12:47] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs would be a good place ... watch them to get approved :)
[12:55] <yvesC> Hi all
[12:56] <ogra> hey yvesC 
[12:56] <yvesC> how can i get a localized tuxpaint in edubuntu? the preinstalled version is only in english ?
[12:56] <ogra> is there a localized version of it ? 
[12:57] <ogra> i didnt know that
[12:57] <yvesC> text on the buttons are translated.
[12:57] <ogra> hmm
[12:58] <ogra> try installing tuxpaint-config, i dont know if that offers language selection, but that would be a start
[12:58] <arunkumaran> hi
[12:58] <arunkumaran> what is the difference b/w ubuntu n edubuntu
[12:58] <yvesC> ~$ dpkg -L tuxpaint-data | grep fr
[12:58] <yvesC> /usr/share/locale/fr
[12:58] <yvesC> /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES
[12:58] <yvesC> /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/tuxpaint.mo
[12:59] <yvesC> (in my debian box)
[12:59] <ogra> arunkumaran, edubuntu adds educational apps, different artwork and an ltsp server to the default install
[12:59] <yvesC> but tuxpaint does not work in french in the edubuntu i installed yesterday for a school.
[12:59] <arunkumaran> so for a college student is it better to opt for edubuntu....
[01:00] <ogra> yvesC, did you install the french language-support packages ? 
[01:01] <ogra> or selected french in the language selector ? 
[01:01] <yvesC> yes.
[01:01] <ogra> (which would in fact install the language-support packages)
[01:02] <ogra> hmm
[01:02] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/products/tuxpaint/+translations
[01:02] <ogra> doesnt look nice ...
[01:03] <yvesC> the tuxpaint-data does not contains locale directory. Where are these locales in edubuntu? 
[01:03] <ogra> in the language packs
[01:03] <ogra> all transaltions are split out into them 
[01:04] <ogra> that makes it possible to update translations without having to upgrade the software itself ...
[01:04] <ogra> (which would introduce new bugs in stable releases)
[01:05] <yvesC> looks like tuxpaint one's are missing. the language pack name  is language-support-fr ?
[01:05] <ogra> thats the metapackage
[01:06] <ogra> there are signle language packs for gnome, kde firefox, tunderbird, openoffice etc they depend on
[01:06] <ogra> i would expect it to be in the gnome langpack
[01:06] <yvesC> which languge pack is supposed contains tuxpaint locales ?
[01:07] <yvesC> tuxpaint is not really part of gnome... it uses SDL.
[01:07] <ogra> i dont know, i dont work on the translation infrastructure, #launchpad could probably answer that
[01:08] <yvesC> ok thanks. I will reinstall it from source to get it clean for the moment.
[01:09] <ogra> that will break on next upgrade ... make sure to make you a note or something to not get confused then ...
[01:10] <yvesC> yes, i know. I install it into /usr/local, cleanly.
[01:10] <ogra> ah, k
[01:10] <ogra> yvesC, would you mind filing a bug so i dont forget to investigate that in egdy ?
[01:11] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[01:11] <yvesC> ok.
[01:11] <ogra> thanks :)
[02:19] <rodarvus> good morning
[02:20] <cbx33> does amd64 have the jre for firefox ?
[02:22] <ogra> yes
[02:22] <ogra> but no plugin
[02:22] <cbx33> thats what i was after
[02:22] <cbx33> so i can't use java witihin firefox
[02:22] <ogra> you can try the blackdown package
[02:23] <ogra> its in multiverse as well
[02:23] <ogra> but i dont know how good it works in dapper (used to in breezy)
[02:28] <cbx33> i see
[02:28] <cbx33> :(
[02:30] <rodarvus> also note that java-blackdown only supports java 1.4
[02:31] <cbx33> does the blackdown package have the plugin built in?
[02:32] <ogra> there is a metapackage search for java and for plugin
[02:32] <ogra> i dont have amd64 handy so i cant look ... ppc doesnt have any plugin
[02:35] <ogra> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/devel/j2re1.4
[02:37] <ogra> rodarvus, i merged the debian changes and created an edgy ltsp branch for us to work on, https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/edgy-ltsp
[02:37] <ogra> (its not been pulled yet by the scheduler)
[02:38] <ogra> i also need to discuss with mdz what we'll do with the old "Ubuntu LTSP upstream" branch, we should have it pointing to the recent upstream development branch
[02:41] <Yagisan> cbx33: java don't work too well on amd64, even with that old plugin. ie I can't access uni with it.
[02:42] <cbx33> ok
[02:42] <cbx33> ta
[02:42] <cbx33> how are you Yagisan 
[02:42] <ogra> it worked fine for me in breezy ... but firefox was upgraded since then ...
[02:43] <ogra> so they might not play nicely together
[02:43] <rodarvus> ogra, I noticed :)
[02:43] <Yagisan> cbx33: screwed
[02:43] <Yagisan> cbx33: yourself
[02:43] <Yagisan> ?
[02:43] <cbx33> bad
[02:43] <rodarvus> yesterday I was quite busy with migration from the laptop to my desktop machine
[02:43] <cbx33> very bad, 
[02:44] <rodarvus> + backup (35gb to dvd), reinstallation of Edubuntu on desktop, and finally configuration
[02:44] <rodarvus> + catching up with email
[02:44] <rodarvus> so that basically eat up my whole day
[02:44] <Yagisan> cbx33: I blogged about my "issues" here http://deng.sourceforge.net/blog/?p=65
[02:44] <cbx33> I can't blog about mine
[02:45] <ogra> rodarvus, heh, i know how that feels
[02:45] <rodarvus> (regarding Ubuntu LTSP Upstream branch) I think this is sensible
[02:45] <ogra> fixing all this debian breakage was also quite heavy ... if they only wouldnt merge half breeded features into their main branch
[02:46] <ogra> rodarvus, yes, but i dont know if launchpad supports removal of branches or if we can change the url easily ...
[02:46] <ogra> and probably mdz wants to keep it around for historical reasons ...
[02:46] <ogra> our little ltsp museum :)
[02:46] <rodarvus> oh, maybe a subject to bring up with kiko and stevea?
[02:46] <rodarvus> haha, agreed :)
[02:46] <ogra> lets see 
[02:47] <sbalneav> Morning ogra, rodarvus!!
[02:47] <ogra> hey sbalneav 
[02:47] <rodarvus> hello :)
[02:53] <Yagisan> cbx33: mine is summed up as "I need money, so I have to go away for a while"
[02:54] <cbx33> mine right at this moment in time is
[02:54] <cbx33> I fear for my wife/sister in law and moether in laws safety
[02:55] <cbx33>  /=,
[02:56] <rodarvus> ogra, btw, I found a few theme-related bugs in Edubuntu Dapper last night (most of which you told me about the other day at Paris)
[02:56] <rodarvus> do you have plans to fix them, or should I add them to my queue?
[02:56] <ogra> cursor ? i have that partially fixed here, i just had getting ltsp in a usable state on a higher priority
[02:57] <Yagisan> cbx33: oh dear.
[02:57] <cbx33> Yagisan: yeh
[02:57] <ogra> rodarvus, are there other theme related bugs ? 
[02:57] <cbx33> it all kicked off on sunday, and we thought it was mostly resolved yesterday
[02:57] <rodarvus> ogra, no, not only the cursor - also clearlooks is broken after default install
[02:57] <cbx33> but today has just turned bbbbaaaddd
[02:57] <ogra> in which way ? 
[02:58] <ogra> rodarvus, like showing strange patterns on buttons ? 
[02:58] <cbx33> ogra: the gtk bug?
[02:58] <rodarvus> the ubuntu icon on the panel is missing on this theme (meaning this file is probably in ubuntu-artwork, which doesn't gets installed in edubuntu)
[02:58] <ogra> rodarvus, err, thats replaced by the edubuntu icon
[02:59] <ogra> which is in gartoon and tango-brown ... 
[02:59] <rodarvus> the ubuntu icon for EdubuntuColors and EdubuntuPlain are not the same (they even have different size)
[02:59] <ogra> indeed, if you dotn use the edubuntu iconthemes it will fall back to the gnome foot
[02:59] <ogra> oh, i didnt notice ... i'll check
[02:59] <rodarvus> ogra, then something is wrong on the default configuration - it is pretty easy to reproduce -> install edubuntu (without updates or new packages), and change theme to clearlooks
[03:00] <ogra> we should have a bzr branch for edubuntu-artwork anyway
[03:00] <rodarvus> I agree
[03:00] <ogra> well, if you change the theme, what do you expect :)
[03:00] <rodarvus> also, is it on purpose that our artwork is "lacking", in contrast to ubuntu artwork?
[03:00] <ogra> i cant put the icon into the hicolor theme, else we'll make ubuntu-artwork uninstallable in edubuntu
[03:00] <rodarvus> I expect some icon to show on my panel :)
[03:01] <JackHanna> what's up guys
[03:01] <ogra> yeah, it falls back to the hicolor one which should be the gnome foot
[03:01] <ogra> what is lacking ? 
[03:02] <JackHanna> ogra. I got the client to start booting but it fails with "mount: RPC: unable to recieve; errno = Connection refused
[03:02] <rodarvus> gdm theme is different (seems to be the old one)
[03:02] <ogra> can you check if hicolor-icon-theme is installed in your install ?
[03:02] <JackHanna> but the  client starts to boot
[03:02] <JackHanna> why is it getting refused
[03:03] <rodarvus> ogra, now it is
[03:03] <ogra> yeah, i was promised to get usplash, gnome splash, wallpaper and a gdm theme from the art company, we only got the gnome-splash and the wallpaper
[03:03] <rodarvus> oh
[03:03] <rodarvus> I like our default wallpaper
[03:04] <JackHanna> ??
[03:04] <JackHanna> do I have to add the clients mac address or something?
[03:05] <rodarvus> ogra, who should I talk to on this regard?
[03:06] <rodarvus> (and to make sure it doesn't happens again in the future ;) )
[03:07] <JackHanna> is anything I'm saying making sence?
[03:10] <kbrooks> cbx33: ping
[03:10] <kbrooks> cbx33: pls pm me
[03:11] <JackHanna> or being heard?
[03:11] <rodarvus> you are being heard
[03:11] <rodarvus> but for unknown reasons you directed your question to a specific person :)
[03:12] <rodarvus> (I mean, we still call this channel #edubuntu, not #ogra-support ;) )
[03:12] <JackHanna> well I was talking with orga last evening and said I'd be back in the morning.. but if anyone else knows the answer feel free to jump in
[03:14] <rodarvus> seems your client can't authenticate on the nfs server - is /etc/exports configured correctly? and what the server log says about the connection attempt?
[03:15] <JackHanna> hmm.. I'm not sure, I was just using the quick start guide. How should /etc/exports be configured
[03:17] <rodarvus> JackHanna, the problem is that there isn't much more to be said, without proper context (logs, specific configuration, etc)
[03:17] <JackHanna> exports has a single /opt/ltps line
[03:18] <rodarvus> there is only this information on this line?
[03:19] <JackHanna> it has /opt/ltsp  *(ro,no_rootsquash,async)
[03:19] <JackHanna> but why does a default install need trouble shot, should't it just work?
[03:19] <rodarvus> and it works, actually
[03:20] <JackHanna> I'm sure it does/should
[03:20] <JackHanna> is that the correct line?
[03:20] <rodarvus> yes, this line is correct
[03:20] <JackHanna> anything else to check
[03:21] <rodarvus> but there are many other "variables" which can be wrong - is the client machine on the same network as the server?
[03:21] <JackHanna> yep
[03:21] <rodarvus> do you have any other services on the server (such as firewall)
[03:21] <JackHanna> only 2 clients on the switch
[03:21] <JackHanna> nope
[03:21] <rodarvus> and you still didn't told me if there is anything on the server logs :)
[03:22] <JackHanna> witch log should I check
[03:23] <JackHanna> I'm running the build client again.. gotta run
[03:24] <JackHanna> I'll be around later
[03:24] <jsgotangco> hey
[03:25] <rodarvus> hello jsgotangco 
[03:25] <jsgotangco> rodrigo!
[03:25] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: did you fly with no problems i assume?
[03:25] <rodarvus> no, unfortunately that was not the case :)
[03:26] <rodarvus> both flights I had (on return to brazil) were late
[03:27] <jsgotangco> doh
[03:27] <rodarvus> but I had worse in the past
[03:27] <jsgotangco> i almost missed my flight in amsterdam because of a delayed flight as well
[03:27] <rodarvus> once, when I was returning from Dallas, my luggage went to Paris
[03:27] <jsgotangco> doh
[03:27] <rodarvus> (and I was returning to Brazil)
[03:27] <rodarvus> so, my luggage visited airport Charles de Gaulle six years before me :D
[03:28] <ogra_> rodarvus, sorry i missed the last 20min ... my ibook hardlocked somehow
[03:28] <rodarvus> ogra_, don't worry
[03:51] <rodarvus> mhz, fortunately, I was able to fly via TAM instead of Varig
[03:51] <mhz> rodarvus: cool! One of my guests to Chile had the honor to fly via Varig... the last flight of Varig, afaik
[03:52] <mhz> after his flight, all were cancelled
[03:52] <rodarvus> Varig is still functioning
[03:52] <rodarvus> slowly, but it is
[03:52] <kbrooks> MHZ: uh oh
[03:52] <mhz> oh, well, then "last flight of that day"
[03:52] <mhz> he got to Frankfurt yesterday
[03:53] <kbrooks> cool :-)
[03:53] <mhz> and he reported all other Varig flights were cancelled BUT his
[03:53] <sbalneav> ogra_: Or rodarvus, where's the amazon page for ordering cd's?  I want to order a box of dapper and one of edubuntu.
[03:53] <kbrooks> box?!?
[03:53] <kbrooks> you must be teasing, sbalneav 
[03:54] <sbalneav> nope.
[03:54] <kbrooks> sbalneav: box as in computer?
[03:54] <sbalneav> Went through 2 boxes of breezy.  No, I mean boxes of CD
[03:54] <sbalneav> CD's
[03:54] <kbrooks> oh
[03:55] <sbalneav> I've got 8 computers at home running various versions of Debian + Ubuntu.
[03:55] <rodarvus> sbalneav, I'll verify, just a minute
[03:55] <jsgotangco> the amazon stuff only has the dvd i believe
[03:55] <rodarvus> sbalneav, btw, you can ship cds for free -> shipit.ubuntu.com
[03:55] <rodarvus> I believe you mean DVDs, right?
[03:56] <jsgotangco> you should jsut get it from shipit.edubuntu.org
[03:56] <sbalneav> rodarvus: I know, but Canonical's given me enough free stuff, lately.  I'd like to kick a few bucks back :)
[03:56] <rodarvus> sbalneav, Ubuntu DVDs can be ordered from here -> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G62IDU/103-2653373-3302241?n=229534
[03:56] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:56] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: i'll send you a bunch of CDs in exchange for money lol
[03:56] <jsgotangco> kidding
[03:56] <rodarvus> (they have versions ofr all other platforms too, btw)
[04:02] <JackHanna> hey is this the ogra support room? :P
[04:02] <rodarvus> :)
[04:03] <JackHanna> had to work in the tech center today for a couple hours... 
[04:03] <JackHanna> I took a laptop up with me and am aptget installing edubuntu-server on it
[04:04] <JackHanna> now if I could only get the wifi working on it.. but that's another story 
[04:18] <ogra_ibook> sigh ...
[04:18] <ogra_ibook> that was hard
[04:24] <jsgotangco> what happened?
[04:25] <ogra_ibook> my ibook hardlocked
[04:25] <ogra_ibook> and i had done a dist upgrade to the latest -updates packages
[04:25] <jsgotangco> ewwww
[04:29] <ogra_ibook> somehow my initramfs.conf was screwed and created a unbusable initramfs
[04:53] <bddebian> Hello
[05:07] <RobinShepheard> hello one and all
[05:08] <highvoltage> RobinShepheard: howdy
[05:08] <RobinShepheard> Hiya highvoltage
[05:09] <RobinShepheard> highvoltage: how are your python skills??
[05:11] <RobinShepheard> hiya cbx33
[05:12] <cbx33> hey RobinShepheard 
[05:13] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: hows things going, have you heard from canonical about BETT2007??
[05:13] <cbx33> not yet
[05:13] <highvoltage> RobinShepheard: i'm still learning (very slowly). cbx33 knows more than me. luckily for you he is here :)
[05:13] <cbx33> will be sending an email to them later in the week
[05:13] <cbx33> highvoltage, me know more than you
[05:13] <RobinShepheard> cool
[05:13] <cbx33> impossible
[05:14] <highvoltage> ok, time to go home, see you later :)
[05:14] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: I am trying to learn python and am trying it out for stuff I would normally use perl for
[05:14] <cbx33> I see
[05:15] <cbx33> RobinShepheard, python is pretty cool
[05:15] <RobinShepheard> I am trying to parse a file at the moment, strip debtors out by executive code basically
[05:15] <cbx33> sounds fairly straightforward
[05:15] <cbx33> what's the format of the file
[05:15] <RobinShepheard> is it more efficient to loop through a big cycle a few times or a small cycle lots of times??
[05:16] <cbx33> hmmm...I'm not sure
[05:16] <RobinShepheard> file is no problem, I have a working program, it is just the efficiency I am wondering about
[05:16] <cbx33> i think it can depend on how the code is written
[05:16] <cbx33> time it
[05:17] <RobinShepheard> well basically I am reading file lines into a list and then looping through each line item to compare it to a line from another file
[05:17] <cbx33> ok
[05:17] <mhz> well, for those of you interested in Python + Turtle Module: http://igor.tamarapatino.org/recursos/scrvideo/turtlepy.html
[05:17] <RobinShepheard> ahhh good plan, I had forgotten about time, probably cos I am not a developer :)
[05:18] <cbx33> neither am I
[05:18] <cbx33> I'm a Joatmon
[05:18] <cbx33> Jack of all trades, master of none
[05:18] <RobinShepheard> snap, but maybe a bit closer to developer than I was
[05:18] <cbx33> hehe, I've done a decent amount of coding
[05:19] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=58
[05:19] <cbx33> hehe
[05:19] <RobinShepheard> I am getting a bit more confident with puthon at the mo, I am getting regular expressions for parsing working fairly well
[05:19] <cbx33> nice
[05:21] <RobinShepheard> lol nice list, about the only things I haven't done on the list is atari basic, lisp and matlab but I have bbc basic and and also programmed in a language called meta4
[05:21] <RobinShepheard> oh and the language for the amstrad cpc464
[05:21] <cbx33> cool
[05:21] <RobinShepheard> can't remember what that was called
[05:22] <cbx33> i thought of one the other day that I had missed
[05:22] <cbx33> it's just funny to think of all the little bits I have used
[05:22] <RobinShepheard> and a tiny snippsy bit of java
[05:22] <cbx33> ahhhh
[05:22] <cbx33> smalltalk
[05:22] <cbx33> that was it
[05:22] <RobinShepheard> yeah, sweet. funny really that we don't think of ourselves as developers
[05:23] <cbx33> yeh
[05:23] <RobinShepheard> but I am very lacking in proficiency in most of the languages, only really perl that I feel really at home with
[05:23] <cbx33> we're hackers really
[05:23] <cbx33> oh me too
[05:23] <cbx33> my main ones were matlab php and python
[05:23] <ogra> does anybody know lukketto in here ? 
[05:24] <RobinShepheard> yeah, that about sums it up really, find the right tool and learn as much as is needed to get the job done
[05:24] <ogra> he's just up for membership in -meeting and claims to be involved in many edubuntu teams 
[05:24] <ogra> (i've never seen him here)
[05:24] <cbx33> I've seen him once
[05:24] <cbx33> ie it rings a beel
[05:24] <cbx33> but never spoken to them
[05:24] <RobinShepheard> I don't know the name but I have not been here for long myself
[05:25] <RobinShepheard> still a newcomer really
[05:25] <cbx33> awww
[05:26] <cbx33> I'm a n00b to really
[05:26] <cbx33> I only joined edubuntu in around april
[05:28] <RobinShepheard> well I signed my code of conduct on 05/06/06 so less than a month for me
[05:28] <cbx33> does anyone know if the security certif for edubuntu is going to be fixed
[05:28] <cbx33> and are we going to get our edubuntu front page on the wiki ever?
[05:29] <ogra> unlikely
[05:29] <rodarvus> cbx33, are you volunteering for doing any of these? :)
[05:29] <ogra> i dont think mark will spend money on certs
[05:29] <cbx33> rodarvus, I would if I had the access :p
[05:29] <cbx33> I was just wondering
[05:30] <cbx33> we spoke a while ago about wiki.edubuntu.org pointing to our front page
[05:31] <JackHanna> hey guys.. I installed edubuntu server on my laptop and am still getting the same access denied error when I boot my client... can anyone help
[05:32] <JackHanna> I followed this guide http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=195956&highlight=ltsp
[05:32] <ogra> JackHanna, you made sure you dont run another dhcp server in that network ?
[05:33] <JackHanna> they are connected with a crossover cable 
[05:33] <JackHanna> it starts to boot and I get the ubuntu splash
[05:33] <cbx33> surely the edubuntu homepage c ould be achieved with a simple modrewrite script if it can't be done anywhere else
[05:34] <ogra> JackHanna, and then ? 
[05:34] <ogra> that guide is horrible btw ...
[05:34] <RobinShepheard> ogra: no kidding, it is not very user friendly really is it
[05:34] <ogra> nope
[05:34] <JackHanna> I get the access denied error I was talking about before.. I had to unhook the client to get internet access again so I don't have the error screen up right now
[05:35] <ogra> usually the Quick Install doc should suffice 
[05:35] <JackHanna> well that's basically the same thing 
[05:35] <ogra> i havent seen that error you talk about (i was having harware probs most of the day here)
[05:36] <JackHanna> crap.. let me get on my windows machine and get you the error
[05:36] <RobinShepheard> JackHanna: when it lists the ip address the client has been given when i drops back to text what does it say for the root path
[05:36] <RobinShepheard> I reckon it will be blank
[05:36] <JackHanna> I'll have to get back with you in 5min.. brb
[05:37] <ogra> if you dont touch services like dhcp, tftp or inetd it should work out of the bopx
[05:37] <ogra> gah, he's gone ... damn lag
[05:37] <RobinShepheard> I had a similar problem when dhcp wasn't dishing out the root path correctly
[05:38] <ogra> that cant happen with the dhcpd.conf we ship ...
[05:38] <ogra> unless you run another dhcp server in the same network
[05:38] <RobinShepheard> well it seemed to, I restarted the dhcp deamon and it fixed the problem
[05:39] <RobinShepheard> it was being dished up an address by the edubuntu server but it came back with a empty root and 50% of the time
[05:39] <RobinShepheard> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart fixed all
[05:40] <ogra> and you are sure you dont have a router with integrated dhcp server running ? 
[05:40] <RobinShepheard> yeah, there was only my server and me on little 4 port hub, nothing else
[05:40] <RobinShepheard> and it has only happened on one install occasion
[05:41] <RobinShepheard> every other time I have installed in the testing enviroment it has been fine
[05:41] <ogra> hmm, strange 
[05:41] <RobinShepheard> oh and there were no errors during install
[05:41] <ogra> usually dhcpd gets restarted by the postinst
[05:42] <RobinShepheard> yeah, I am not quite sure what caused it, but having restarted dhcpd it was fine
[05:42] <RobinShepheard> no obvious messages in any of the logs
[05:42] <RobinShepheard> and as I have been unable to recreate it I have not filed a bug report
[05:42] <ogra> did you use the ltsp-server-standalone or the ltsp-server package ? 
[05:43] <ogra> the latter doesnt care about dhcpd
[05:44] <RobinShepheard> hence the other installs, I used the standard install from http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted which is where I spotted the incorrect dialog box that you fixed
[05:44] <ogra> ah
[05:44] <RobinShepheard> so there is no obvious reason
[05:44] <RobinShepheard> oh and a memtest on the machine came up clean
[05:45] <RobinShepheard> I have been unable to recreate the problem though.
[05:45] <JackHanna1> ok.. it's booting up
[05:46] <JackHanna1> nope it's got root server correct 
[05:46] <JackHanna1> rootserver: 192.168.0.1 rootpath: /opt/ltps/i386
[05:46] <JackHanna1> the first error I see is 
[05:47] <JackHanna1> mount: RPC: Unable to recieve; errno = Connection refused
[05:47] <JackHanna1> and yes that is spelled correctly
[05:47] <RobinShepheard> JackHanna1: you don't have a hardware firewall on the server machine motherboard do you??
[05:47] <JackHanna1> then mount nfsmount failed: Bad File descriptor
[05:47] <JackHanna1> don't think so.. one isn't installed by default is it
[05:48] <RobinShepheard> some motherboards come with them, I don't know anything aboutthem myself as my machine is too old for it
[05:48] <JackHanna1> oh motherboards.. no 
[05:48] <RobinShepheard> ok, just a though
[05:48] <RobinShepheard> *thought
[05:49] <JackHanna1> why is my connection being refused?
[05:50] <JackHanna1> is there something I could be checking?
[05:53] <JackHanna1> my firend is saying we have a premissions problem ether on the root directory for the socket
[05:54] <ogra> JackHanna1, is portmap running on the server ?
[05:54] <ogra> and nfsd 
[05:55] <JackHanna1> port map is running
[05:55] <ogra> and did you only follow the quick install doc without touching nfs or dhcp settings ? it works out of the box for many many people ...
[05:55] <JackHanna1> nfs is not
[05:55] <ogra> aha
[05:55] <ogra> sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start
[05:56] <JackHanna1> failed
[05:57] <ogra> grep ltsp /etc/exports ?
[05:57] <JackHanna1> so why didnt' it automagically get set up
[05:57] <ogra> it usually does
[05:57] <ogra> you installed ltsp-server-standalone ? 
[05:57] <ogra> that should set it uo0
[05:57] <ogra> up
[05:58] <JackHanna1> all I got was /opt/ltsp   *(ro,no-root_squash,async)
[05:58] <ogra> thats good
[05:58] <ogra> i hope that no-root_squash was a typo
[05:58] <JackHanna1> this is the 2nd install that had this exact same problem
[05:58] <JackHanna1> no_root_squash
[05:59] <ogra> ltsp-build-client finished properly without any errors ? 
[05:59] <JackHanna1> yep..
[05:59] <JackHanna1> I'll build it again but I didnt' remember seeing any errors... 
[05:59] <ogra> redirect the output to a file 
[06:00] <ogra> like: sudo ltsp-build-client > /tmp/ltsp.log 
[06:00] <ogra> and save that file 
[06:00] <ogra> we can look through it together then
[06:01] <rodarvus> lunch time
[06:01] <ogra> enjoy
[06:02] <JackHanna1> doing it now.. be back later... going to lunch
[06:08] <cbx33> ogra, I had to make some changes to rsyncer.sh
[06:08] <cbx33> because they changed the names of the isos
[06:09] <ogra> not for edubuntu
[06:09] <cbx33> oh?
[06:09] <ogra> we kept the naming scheme ... to neot break my script 
[06:09] <cbx33> so they didn't
[06:10] <cbx33> well presumeably it wil be changed in the future
[06:10] <cbx33> any
[06:10] <ogra> no i'm kidding ... but we send only the install CD through shipit, so it would be silly to call it alternate
[06:10] <cbx33> ok
[06:10] <cbx33> we'll have to mod the script
[06:11] <jsgotangco> the only mod you'll have to do are for ubuntu,kubuntu
[06:11] <ogra> i dont think we'll start shipping liveCDs for edubuntu
[06:11] <jsgotangco> and even add xubuntu if you wish
[06:13] <cbx33> uh huh
[06:13] <cbx33> yeh xubuntu isn't in grasynco yet
[06:15] <cbx33> currently at work I'm working on installing desktop versions of moin on peoples laptops with an svn synced data dir
[06:15] <cbx33> ;)
[06:15] <cbx33> so they can all be working on the same data in a wiki way
[06:15] <cbx33> they need it available offline
[06:15] <cbx33> for teaching purposes
[06:24] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[06:25] <fowlduck> nein!
[06:25] <ogra> night jsgotangco 
[06:25] <fowlduck> g'nite :)
[06:25] <cbx33> night jsgotangco 
[06:31] <cbx33> bbl guys
[07:56] <highvoltage> heh. my uncle is visiting us. he just asked me if i've ever heard of an operating system called 'ubuntu' :)
[07:57] <bddebian> Haha
[07:57] <DanielC> :)
[07:57] <bddebian> Did you tell him 'Nope, never heard of it'? ;-)
[07:58] <DanielC> Could anyone recommend a good Linux Admin book for Debian/Ubuntu?
[07:58] <ogra> i never heard of it, but it sounds similar to this thing i spend all my sparetime on ... did you ever hear of edubuntu ?
[08:02] <DanielC> I guess that no one can recommend a book :)
[08:03] <ogra> DanielC, we just released one ... but dont ask me for the title :)
[08:03] <ogra> written by jono bacon and mako benjamin hill
[08:03] <DanielC> Ok, I know Jono.
[08:03] <DanielC> But is it for admin? I don't want an "end user" book.
[08:04] <ogra> hmm, i guess it covers admin tasks to a certain extend ...
[08:04] <ogra> but its indeed a *whole ubuntu* book
[08:04] <DanielC> I'm thinking of stuff like user quotas, samba and the internals of apt; not how to check my mail...
[08:04] <DanielC> Ok, I'll talk to Jono and tell him what I'm looking for.
[08:05] <DanielC> Thanks.
[08:05] <ogra> did you look in the shipped ubuntu serverguide ? 
[08:05] <ogra> its installed in your helpsystem and very good imho
[08:05] <DanielC> No, never heard of it.
[08:05] <ogra> click the help button ;)
[08:06] <DanielC> I see it.
[08:06] <DanielC> Thanks!
[08:07] <DanielC> And there's also a Packaging Guide. I'll read that one too...
[08:08] <ogra> DanielC, thank Laser_away for it once you meet him here,, its his ;)
[08:08] <DanielC> good man :)
[08:09] <ogra> yeah, he deserves a lot of positive feedback for that :)
[08:10] <DanielC> Did he write all these guides?
[08:11] <ogra> the packaging guide
[08:12] <DanielC> Ok.
[08:13] <DanielC> MOTU is Masters Of The Universe. But what's REVU?
[08:15] <DanielC> Looks like REVU doesn't stand for anything.
[08:15] <ogra> the review tool
[08:16] <DanielC> ok, thanks
[08:16] <ogra> http://tiber.tauware.de/
[08:16] <DanielC> *click*
[08:17] <ogra> every motu needs two votes from other motus for the package quality for every new package entering the archive 
[08:17] <ogra> if you scroll down you see all the packages and their reviews
[08:18] <DanielC> Yes, I see them.
[08:18] <DanielC> Do you go through the same review process for updates to an existing package?
[08:18] <ogra> nope
[08:19] <ogra> only if a non motu wants to upload stuff
[08:19] <DanielC> Ok. This looks like a good system.
[08:19] <ogra> they use revu as well to get their changes reviewed and to find a sponsor who uploads
[08:20] <ogra> if you had a bunch of sponsored uploads you can become a motu yourself :)
[08:20] <DanielC> :-)
[08:20] <DanielC> Is that the usual way of becoming a motu?
[08:20] <ogra> yep
[08:24] <bddebian> After the goat sacrifices and floggings of course ;-)
[08:24] <HedgeMage> hi, guys
[08:25] <ogra> he
[08:25] <ogra> y
[08:25] <HedgeMage> lol
[08:25] <ogra> :)
[08:25] <HedgeMage> how are you?
[08:25] <bddebian> Hi HedgeMage
[08:26] <ogra> fine, recovered from travelling
[08:26] <HedgeMage> :)
[08:36] <michel> hello
[08:37] <HedgeMage> hi :)
[08:37] <michel> is anyone there to help
[08:37] <DanielC> we're all here to help :)
[08:38] <HedgeMage> Except me, I'm just a trouble maker.
[08:38] <DanielC> heh
[08:38] <bddebian> heh
[08:38] <michel> i have a problem installing ltsp version 4.2 can you hep
[08:38] <DanielC> Are you using Edubuntu?
[08:39] <DanielC> Edubuntu's LTSP is somewhat different from what you get from ltsp.org
[08:41] <michel> can i please know the difference for i am new in the system
[08:41] <DanielC> Well, I'm not the best person to ask, but I know that ltsp uses XDMCP and Edubuntu tunnels X through ssh.
[08:42] <DanielC> I'm no expert though. I've only done this a couple of times.
[08:42] <DanielC> If you are using Edubuntu you don't need to grab anything from ltsp.org. Edubuntu comes with everything you need to create thin clients.
[08:43] <ogra> michel, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
[08:44] <michel> thanks
[08:44] <michel> goodye
[08:46] <DanielC> On what basis are packages accepted? If a package works well and has a free license, is it guaranteed to get in?
[08:46] <juliux> DanielC, hi
[08:47] <juliux> DanielC, do you know a school in uk which needs some notebooks?
[08:47] <bddebian> DanielC: Nothing in life is guaranteed ;-)
[08:47] <DanielC> juliux: My employer probably does. Why?
[08:48] <juliux> DanielC, i work at the moment by afton chemical and they have 20 old notebooks, P3 i think
[08:48] <DanielC> cool
[08:48] <juliux> DanielC, and the local schools dont want them
[08:48] <DanielC> I'm sure we can find a good home for them.
[08:49] <juliux> ok
[08:49] <juliux> i will speak with the it department leader next week
[08:49] <DanielC> Can they run Ubuntu?
[08:49] <juliux> DanielC, i dont know its a dell
[08:49] <ogra> depends on the mem
[08:49] <ogra> how much mem do they have 
[08:49] <juliux> more then 128MB
[08:49] <DanielC> Could I have your email address? I'll write an email to you and my employer so you can be "in touch".
[08:49] <ogra> i run ubuntu on a p3 256M, works ok 
[08:49] <DanielC> ogra: Can you use notebooks as thin clients?
[08:49] <juliux> DanielC, juliusbloch@aftonchemical.com
[08:50] <ogra> only wired, but yes indeed
[08:50] <DanielC> juliux: Thanks. His is ian.lynch@zmsl.com in case you don't get my mail. Mine is daniel.carrera@zmsl.com
[08:50] <juliux> DanielC, ok
[08:50] <juliux> DanielC, but this e-mail address is only for next 2 weeks
[08:50] <DanielC> ogra: Is it ok if they use PCMCIA ethernet cards?
[08:50] <DanielC> juliux: ok
[08:51] <ogra> should work, yes
[08:51] <juliux> DanielC, they have build in nic
[08:51] <ogra> perfect
[08:51] <DanielC> Oh, excellent.
[08:51] <DanielC> Well, I can think of one school who would love to use them as thin clients.
[08:51] <juliux> DanielC, i will check the exact modell numbers tomorrow
[08:51] <DanielC> It's the one where I setup Edubuntu last time.
[08:51] <ogra> if they now are PXE capable ... 
[08:51] <juliux> DanielC, my normal e-mail address is juliux@ubuntu-de.org
[08:52] <juliux> DanielC, pxe booting is possible
[08:52] <DanielC> They've been having problems, which I suspect are hardware problems on the clients.
[08:52] <DanielC> Their current clients are old PCs they were about to throw away.
[08:52] <DanielC> juliux: Thanks, I've noted your email.
[08:53] <DanielC> This is very cool. Thanks for offering those.
[08:54] <DanielC> juliux: Where are you located? London?
[08:54] <juliux> DanielC, wandsworth
[08:54] <juliux> DanielC, the next tube station is clapham south
[08:55] <juliux> DanielC, search for hillier road
[08:55] <juliux> london
[08:55] <DanielC> Ok.
[08:55] <DanielC> Ok, I see it. Near London.
[08:55] <juliux> it is in london
[08:55] <DanielC> Ok.
[08:56] <DanielC> :-)
[08:56] <DanielC> I can't believe none of the schools want them...
[08:56] <DanielC> The school I'm thinking of would love them.
[08:56] <juliux> DanielC, not in london, the company is in bracknell
[08:58] <DanielC> Still... I can't believe a school wouldn't jump at the chance of 20 P3 notebooks.
[08:58] <juliux> that is what they said today
[08:59] <DanielC> I assume that your real-life name is Julius...
[08:59] <HedgeMage> DanielC: I know a school here in the US that would jump at them!
[09:01] <juliux> HedgeMage, afton is also in usa ;)
[09:01] <juliux> HedgeMage, i will see what i can do
[09:05] <fowlduck> hallo
[09:10] <DanielC> juliux: Ian just came in. He thinks this is fantastic idea and he knows of several schools here who would love them. Is it possible for your company to hang on to those notebooks for a while until we can come down to pick them up?
[09:10] <juliux> DanielC, i will ask them
[09:10] <DanielC> thanks
[09:10] <juliux> DanielC, they are there in a storage room 
[09:10] <juliux> DanielC, they are not in use
[09:15] <cberlo> Hi folks.  Anyone played with winbind authentication on the LTSP server?
[09:16] <cberlo> I have users with null passwords on the Windows network (Kindergartners and such) and need to be able to allow them access without entering a password.
[09:25] <cberlo> Well thanks anyway... I'll go net surfing and see if I can figure this out...
[09:36] <DanielC> ogra: Are Creative Commons licenses considered free enough for the Universe repository?
[09:37] <ogra> CCbySA is 
[09:37] <DanielC> ogra: Excellent.
[09:41] <jjvvcc> can anyone help me with gcc?
[09:42] <jjvvcc> or tell me if there is a developers specific #
[09:42] <jjvvcc> no?
[09:43] <jjvvcc> ok.. tanks anyway
[09:45] <DanielC> jjvvcc didn't wait very long for help...
[09:49] <ogra> well, gcc wouldnt really be on topic here anyway :)
[09:49] <DanielC> :)
[10:43] <lns> what's up everyone
[10:43] <lns> Can anyone point me to a Firefox Flash plugin how-to for 6.06 LTS (under LTSP for thin clients to access flash)?
[10:44] <HedgeMage> !tell lns about flash
[10:45] <HedgeMage> ubotu should have given you info :)
[10:45] <DanielC> cool
[10:45] <DanielC> !tell DanielC about flash
[10:45] <ogra> HedgeMage, thats not enough for ltsp
[10:45] <ogra> you need to add a /tmp/.esd/socket file 
[10:45] <lns> ok, that's easy =)
[10:46] <DanielC> Ins: In my experience, what you need to do is: (1) what you normally do for for a desktop computer and then (2) add the file /tmp/.esd/socket
[10:46] <ogra> well, you need to make sure its always there 
[10:46] <lns> k...i can run a minute-ly cron script..?
[10:46] <ogra> (tmp gets cleared on boot)
[10:47] <DanielC> lns: Better to put it in the Firefox start up script.
[10:47] <ogra> or add it to the /usr/bin/firefox script
[10:47] <lns> ok
[10:47] <lns> sounds straight forward to me...
[10:47] <lns> there are lots of ways toinstall flash according to these URLs...which one do you recommend ogra?
[10:47] <ogra> well, it should just work :)
[10:47] <ogra> synaptic/apt 
[10:48] <lns> mmk
[10:49] <DanielC> I always try apt, it never works, so I end up just copying the libflash* files from another computer's ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[10:52] <lns> so libflash-mozplugin should work?
[10:55] <ogra> i think its callede flashplugin-nonfree
[10:55] <ogra> from multiverse
[10:56] <crimsun> beware that Macromedia's/Adobe's mirror sites may still be down
[10:57] <lns> got it
[10:58] <lns> flippin rock!!!
[10:58] <lns> yes!
[10:58] <lns> thanks guys!
[10:58] <DanielC> :-)
[10:58] <lns> these kids will be VERY happy. =)
[10:59] <lns> Thank you SO much.
[10:59] <lns> later!
[11:14] <lns> alright guys one more question =)
[11:15] <lns> what could cause a non-ltsp client (that's getting a dhcp lease from the server) to not be allowed to browse the internet?
[11:15] <lns> i've checked all the obvious...
[11:16] <DanielC> A misconfigured routing table.
[11:16] <bddebian> Aye.  Do you get the right default route?
[11:16] <DanielC> Does DHCP configure a gateway automatically?
[11:16] <lns> yep
[11:16] <bddebian> Does 'Internet' not work or just name resolution?
[11:16] <lns> Internet...
[11:17] <lns> I get a 192.168.2.x addy, with 192.168.2.200 as a gateway (which is eth0 on the edubuntu server)
[11:17] <lns> with ip_forward = 1
[11:17] <DanielC> hmmm...
[11:18] <bddebian> The edubuntu server is supposed to be your gateway?
[11:18] <DanielC> Don't know then...
[11:18] <lns> bddebian, yep
[11:18] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT
[11:22] <lns> SWEET
[11:22] <lns> knockin em down today! =) (it was an iptables rule that wasn't in effect for masq)
[11:22] <lns> thanks ogra
[11:22] <lns> you are the almighty!!
[11:24] <lns> bye! =)
[11:44] <DanielC> heh