[12:18] <Riddell> hi danimo 
[12:18] <danimo> hi Riddell
[12:19] <danimo> Riddell: do you know where i can find an up-to-date kaffeine for dapper?
[12:19] <Riddell> danimo: probably one on revu
[12:19] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea i forgot , on a fresh dapper install if you then install ff the hope page it looks for dosent exist ( a local kubuntu page )
[12:19] <Riddell> or wait a few days and I'll upload it to edgy
[12:20] <Lure> DaSkreech: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-kde-support
[12:20] <danimo> Riddell: hehe, like I would use edgy
[12:20] <Riddell> danimo: it'll get backported
[12:20] <danimo> Riddell: oh, yeah, sorry
[12:20] <Riddell> although I don't know how long that takes
[12:20] <danimo> Riddell: is there any backport available already?
[12:21] <Riddell> revu probably has it
[12:21] <Lure> danimo: I think kubuntu.de repo has recent kaffeine
[12:21] <Riddell> oh yes, they might too
[12:22] <danimo> Lure: archive url?
[12:22] <imbrandon> Riddell, oh yea now that paris is over want to stick the amarok 1.4.1beta1 pkgs i made in k.org/packages/amarok-latest ? hehehe
[12:22] <nixternal> i just might have to take the laptop up to the cafe and enjoy the weather while i wiki away
[12:22] <DaSkreech> The fun part is it is the exact same help page that you see in Kubuntu
[12:22] <DaSkreech> In Firefox it's horribly broken though cause it uses a different path
[12:22] <Lure> danimo: http://www.kubuntu.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=70
[12:23] <danimo> ah. the kczessi repo
[12:23] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, yea its a bug in KDS for the firefox homepage
[12:23] <imbrandon> just hasent been filed, beent here a while
[12:23] <Lure> danimo: they have 0.8.1-0kubuntu4
[12:24] <imbrandon> Riddell, still have the url for my repo or need it again ? ( for amarok )
[12:25] <kwwii> ok, time for me to head out
[12:25] <kwwii> see you all tomorrow
[12:25] <allee> nite kwwii 
[12:26] <danimo> bye kwwii
[12:26] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: A Quick work around is to have the help pages in the same folder as the main page
[12:26] <Riddell> imbrandon: is it on revu?
[12:26] <imbrandon> no i can upload it to revu ( though its more than one package since i had to package libvis 0.4
[12:26] <imbrandon> )
[12:27] <imbrandon> how do i handel the more than one package thing on revu
[12:27] <Riddell> imbrandon: revu will probably stop me losing track of it
[12:27] <imbrandon> it requires excaibur and libvis 0.4
[12:27] <Riddell> imbrandon: upload separately and put a comment on one if you can that it needs to use the other
[12:27] <imbrandon> ok , will do it right now
[12:28] <allee> danimo: question, do you know something about KDE and dyna open of plugins?  digikam stopped working with new libgphoto. gtkam and f-spot work fine with same libghoto pkgs :(
[12:28] <imbrandon> should i version the ones for revu -0ubuntu0.1 or will you take care of that ?
[12:28] <Riddell> imbrandon: doesn't really matter
[12:28] <imbrandon> kk
[12:29] <allee> somehow KDE 'confuses'/changes libgphoto plugins loading
[12:29] <danimo> allee: nothing other than "should work quite ok
[12:30] <allee> k
[12:31] <danimo> allee: plus when it stopped working with ligphoto, the obvious guess would be a binary incompatible api change in libgphoto
[12:31] <danimo> allee: why should it be digikam's fault?
[12:32] <allee> danimo: just upgrading libgphoto pkgs, breaks digikam, f-spot and gtkam pkgs continue working.
[12:32] <danimo> allee: that doesn't say anything. 
[12:32] <Riddell> hi Tonio_ 
[12:32] <danimo> allee: plus what does "stop working" mean? crash? nothing?
[12:32] <danimo> heya Tonio_!
[12:32] <allee> danimo: rebuilding digikam does not help. strace for plugin patch shows digikam tries to open differnet files that the other apps
[12:32] <Tonio_> hey
[12:32] <Tonio_> fine Riddell ?
[12:33] <Tonio_> hey danimo
[12:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: groovy
[12:33] <danimo> allee: does it ultimately try to open the correct one?
[12:33] <Tonio_> my girlfriend is at home untill thursday, so I will not be able to work a lot on ubuntu...
[12:33] <allee> danimo: only with .la files
[12:33] <Tonio_> but I'll start the big merging work on friday and all the weekend :)
[12:33] <Riddell> girlfriends can do that
[12:33] <Tonio_> hey allee :)
[12:33] <danimo> Tonio_: send her over to me. I'll take care and you can enjoy hacking ;)
[12:34] <allee> Tonio_: hi
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: especially when we try to have a baby :)
[12:34] <Tonio_> that doesn't give that much available time :)
[12:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: seriously?
[12:34] <Tonio_> yup
[12:34] <Riddell> how exciting
[12:34] <danimo> Tonio_: good luck then
[12:34] <allee> danimo: #11 of http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125696  
[12:34] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 125696 in general "digikam does not connect to USB camera with libgphoto-2.1.99" [Normal,New]  
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm 29 years old, it is time to come in the adult world
[12:34] <danimo> Tonio_: sounds like you won't give her away any time soon
[12:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: aren't you going to propose to her then?
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: to get married ? in a few years maybe yes
[12:35] <Tonio_> not actually
[12:35] <Tonio_> danimo: sure no :) we have been together for 6 years now
[12:36] <danimo> Tonio_: amazing
[12:36] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:36] <allee> Tonio_: lol
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: kedubuntu!
[12:36] <danimo> allee: no gphoto/camera available
[12:36] <imbrandon> kdeubuntu +1
[12:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: good idea ;)
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: was the dinner on friday good ?
[12:36] <danimo> Tonio_: make sure to lobby for KDE as default DE ;)
[12:37] <danimo> Tonio_: I guess you stood with the guys in paris?
[12:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: lots of champaign
[12:37] <imbrandon> arg ... Patch some-binaries-in-usr-lib.patch does not remove cleanly (refresh it or enforce with -f)
[12:37] <Tonio_> danimo: my child will for sure discover windows at school only ;)
[12:37] <imbrandon> i hate that
[12:37] <Tonio_> danimo: sure I was there but I had to leave early on friday
[12:37] <danimo> Tonio_: did you pick names already for both cases?
[12:37] <imbrandon> Tonio_, get on the PTA and dont let windows in school ;)
[12:38] <allee> danimo: yes.  loading <plugin>"" instead of <plugin>.so fails without .la.   La file requirement is new and still not needed by f-spot and gtkam.  They still try to load .so files
[12:38] <Tonio_> imbrandon well my girlfriend already works on ubuntu at her school ;) (she is teacher for young childs)
[12:38] <allee> Tonio_: no (k) at her school?
[12:38] <danimo> Tonio_: do teachers have a say there on what OS they want? wow
[12:39] <Tonio_> imbrandon can you imagin they have a new room with 20 computers with linux bu nobody is able to use them.....
[12:39] <Tonio_> they have been able to find money to teach the teachers
[12:39] <imbrandon> speaking of children , i have to show mine off .... heheh http://www.imbrandon.com/images/albums/Family/me_eric_autumn.jpg
[12:39] <Tonio_> the result is that the room is closed all the time....
[12:40] <Tonio_> so my girlfriend is probably going to teach them (she's now a kde expert ^^)
[12:40] <imbrandon> lol @ Tonio_ , that sucks
[12:40] <imbrandon> ohh but thats good ;)
[12:40] <imbrandon> heheh
[12:40] <Tonio_> and she realy doesn't like gnome (I really love her !!!)
[12:40] <Riddell> imbrandon: that one on the left is tiny!
[12:40] <imbrandon> lol
[12:40] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea she isnt even one yet
[12:41] <Riddell> do they really make them that small?
[12:41] <imbrandon> lol she was smaller than that when she was born ;)
[12:41] <imbrandon> girl == autum , the boy is eric ;)
[12:41] <allee> imbrandon: looks like that's unknown field for Riddell :)
[12:41] <imbrandon> hahahahah allee ;)
[12:42] <imbrandon> autumn*
[12:42] <allee> oh, that not only a season but a name too. cool
[12:43] <imbrandon> heh yea
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need a newsreader in kubuntu.... is there a reason we don't ship with knode actually ?
[12:43] <imbrandon> allee, well my wife is full blood native american indian so thats her comming out in the name ;)
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: it integrates correctly in kontact
[12:44] <allee> imbrandon: then eric is your not here choice, right?
[12:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: because usenet is used by about 2 people?
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: count 3 with me ;)
[12:44] <imbrandon> hehe eric was named after _MY_ brother  ;)
[12:44] <imbrandon> his name is eric also
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is really widely used by personns working on windows like me
[12:45] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Wouldn't that work as well?
[12:45] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, ??
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: and honestly I never saw an os shiped without an nntp client...
[12:45] <DaSkreech> having a copy of the help pages in the same folder as the Kubuntu index page
[12:45] <imbrandon> nntp is still used ?
[12:46] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, no idea i reset my hoppage a long time ago
[12:46] <imbrandon> homepage*
[12:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon in the microsoft's world, yes, widely used
[12:46] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Just press help in the K Meni
[12:46] <DaSkreech> eni=enu?
[12:46] <imbrandon> gnight Riddell
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: nite !
[12:46] <DaSkreech> Night Riddell
[12:46] <danimo> bye Riddell
[12:46] <danimo> bye
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: now edgy is opened, I will release a kdebase patch to adjust the kicker size to 48, for 2 lines mode
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: in a couple of days
[12:47] <imbrandon> heheh ;)
[12:47] <imbrandon> good call Tonio_
[12:47] <DaSkreech> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[12:47] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, s/ubuntu-artwork/kubuntu-artwork
[12:48] <DaSkreech> help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/index.html
[12:48] <DaSkreech> Thats the URL in Kubuntu
[12:48] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, file it on LP
[12:49] <DaSkreech> Under the same link that Lure gave?
[12:49] <imbrandon> i dident see what Lure posted 
[12:49] <Lure> imbrandon:  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-kde-support
[12:49] <DaSkreech> There we go
[12:51] <imbrandon> i would file it as a bug against k-d-s
[12:51] <imbrandon> thats a spec
[12:51] <uniq> tonio_: ref. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates - i changed kio-apt from you to me. As i've done it before and it's done. :)
[12:52] <Tonio_> uniq: great ;
[12:53] <Tonio_> danimo: good nite (sorry for not responding but I'm not really in front of my computer actually (girlfriends can also do that !)
[12:53] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Ok 
[12:54] <DaSkreech> oskar?
[12:54] <imbrandon> lol Tonio_ go have fun with your gf ;) everyone needs time away from the PC
[12:54] <imbrandon> oskar == now kmplayer
[12:54] <imbrandon> new*
[12:54] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: new kmplayer name with new UI
[12:54] <DaSkreech> Whats the difference between it and Mplayer?
[12:55] <Tonio_> the problem is that upstream wants to focus on the engine, so he would like contribution on the UI work
[12:55] <Tonio_> I think we can post on the kubuntu-devel ML asking for help eventually
[12:55] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: between this and mplayer ?
[12:56] <Tonio_> well, mplayer doesn't have a kde based UI afaik
[12:56] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Yup
[12:56] <DaSkreech> Umm.. ok 
[12:56] <DaSkreech> So why is work being done on the engine?
[12:56] <Tonio_> and oskar is supposed to be compatible with mplayer, xine and gstreamer
[12:57] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: the work is for good compatibility with all backends and good integration with konqueror, for example
[12:57] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[12:57] <danimo> Tonio_: hehe, bye and good luck! :)
[12:57] <DaSkreech> Mplayer seems to integrate into konqui pretty nicely for me
[12:58] <Tonio_> danimo: seya ;)
[12:58] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: how ?
[12:59] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: kmplayer is used on dapper, that's why ;)
[12:59] <DaSkreech> All my previews are done in Mplayer
[12:59] <DaSkreech> Ahhh
[12:59] <DaSkreech> In that case I love kmplayer!!
[12:59] <Tonio_> hehe
[12:59] <imbrandon> oskar ( sic )
[12:59] <imbrandon> lol
[01:00] <imbrandon> bbiab dinner
[01:00] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: the issue is that the standalone player is crappy, while kaffeine's konq component sucks....
[01:00] <DaSkreech> It does?
[01:00] <DaSkreech> I mean I wouldn't know since I only use the mplayer one
[01:00] <Tonio_> that's why we need a better application to avoid working with both and a bunch of settings to define prorities and file associations
[01:01] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: are you sure you're not using kmplayer with xine engine ?
[01:01] <Tonio_> that's the dapper default
[01:01] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: how would I find out?
[01:02] <Tonio_> simply go in kmplayer options (right click on the control bar of the video while playing in konq)
[01:03] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: By Gum!!
[01:07] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: if you never changed the configuration, you should you xine engine I presume
[01:07] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Si!
[01:08] <Tonio_> s/you/use
[01:22] <DaSkreech> Lure: Night
[01:31] <imbrandon> gnight Lure / Tonio_
[02:03] <bddebian> Hello
[02:03] <DaSkreech> yo
[02:05] <bddebian> yo yo yo :-)
[02:06] <DaSkreech> What the Dilly yo!
[02:08] <bddebian> heh
[02:34] <nixternal> well imbrandon_ if you read your ubuntu-dev list, you will see 3.5.3 is on its way up ;)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:20] <jjesse> evening Hobbsee
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hmm...wonder what happened to the meeting
[04:20] <Hobbsee> will read later
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse :)
[04:20] <jjesse> nothing too interseting
[04:21] <Hobbsee> oh, pity
[04:21] <Hobbsee> did they not have quorum or something to vote?
[04:21] <jjesse> they did
[04:21] <jjesse> sorry didn't phrase that right
[04:21] <jjesse> a lot of discussion, nothing too earth shattering
[04:21] <jjesse> one new member
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:21] <Hobbsee> seaLne?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> cool
[04:22] <jjesse> yeah sealne
[04:22] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> congratulations seaLne 
[04:29] <jjesse> i just came at the end of the mtg so i had to read the summary/log as well
[04:31] <jjesse> intersting interview w/ JK Rowlings on Channel4
[04:31] <jjesse> two main characters die in the next book but she doesn'/t say one of them will be harry
[04:31] <jjesse> of course she doesn't say one won't be either :)
[04:32] <Hobbsee> jjesse: when's it out?
[04:32] <jjesse> she says next year :(
[04:33] <Hobbsee> :(
[04:33] <Hobbsee> tell her to write quicker :P
[04:33] <jjesse> sure cause i have her direct line
[04:34] <Hobbsee> :P yep
[04:34] <Hobbsee> oh good, they did discuss the bug :)
[04:34] <jjesse> yeah i didn't quite follow the idea or the end result
[04:36] <jjesse> Hobbsee: did you see my email about a laptop testing team for kubuntu?
[04:36] <nixternal> how was the game jjesse?
[04:37] <jjesse> nixternal: it was great, we won, actually mercied them
[04:37] <jjesse> if you are up by more then 15 at the end of 5 you win
[04:37] <jjesse> it was 18-2
[04:37] <nixternal> hehe...good deal
[04:37] <nixternal> ouch
[04:37] <nixternal> slaughter rules in effect
[04:37] <nixternal> [21:36]  <jjesse> Hobbsee: did you see my email about a laptop testing team for kubuntu?
[04:37] <nixternal> interesting
[04:38] <nixternal> i was the only Kubuntu Laptop Tester for Dapper from what I could tell on the Laptop Testing Team Wiki
[04:38] <crimsun> argh
[04:38] <jjesse> sent it to kubuntu-devel
[04:38] <crimsun> I totally disagree with that
[04:38] <jjesse> adn the laptop team
[04:38] <jjesse> i had one :)
[04:38] <jjesse> at least one
[04:38] <nixternal> there is 2 then ;)
[04:38] <crimsun> that's like saying there needs to be {ed,k,x}ubuntu-audio
[04:39] <nixternal> crimsun just for you...that's next ;)
[04:39] <jjesse> crimsun: well there needs to be some more testing of laptops for kubuntu and while i don't think there should be a seperate time, there should be more testing done
[04:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ah, i saw something...
[04:39] <crimsun> "separation"/rebranding/whatever makes sense at the desktop level, but stuff that's central to any install needs to remain desktop-neutral
[04:39] <Hobbsee> oh, i havent got a k-d list yet
[04:40] <jjesse> crimsun: i agreee which is why i don't see the need for kubuntu doc team and kbuntu wiki team
[04:40] <jjesse> however something needs to be done for kubuntu laptop testing 
[04:40] <crimsun> jjesse: I think it would be nice to have canonical-sponsored laptops sent to people involved directly with kubuntu, like kubuntu CC and members for starters
[04:40] <jjesse> especially if we have new specs in regards to them
[04:41] <Hobbsee> crimsun: we got a lot of upgraders saying that the upgrader tried to remove all of kde - we didnt get to test that out
[04:41] <Hobbsee> crimsun: oh yeah!  hehehe 
[04:41] <Hobbsee> give it a couple of years - this one has a decent battery now
[04:42] <nixternal> newer rather
[04:44] <jjesse> we had http://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/DellLatitudeD810/Kubuntu (created by myself) http://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/HPNW8240/Kubuntu created by LukaRenko and http://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaSatellite1735Kubuntu created by nixternal
[04:44] <Hobbsee> jjesse: remind me about that in a while....
[04:45] <nixternal> interesting
[04:46] <nixternal> i have a couple lappys here to test Edgy with...older though, but still, I have noticed a lot of the laptops tested were older
[04:47] <jjesse> jsgotangco: did you load kubuntu on it and did you create a wiki page?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: *another*?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> what were the specs of the first one, out of interest?
[04:47] <jjesse> Hobbsee: he had one for dapper?
[04:47] <imbrandon> Hobbsee,  i was thinking the same think :)
[04:48] <imbrandon> thing
[04:48] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:48] <jsgotangco> jjesse: i loaded kubuntu on it but didnt really document the results heh
[04:48] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: shame :P
[04:48] <jsgotangco> besides half of the functions keys doesn't work
[04:48] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: what was the laptop?
[04:48] <nixternal> all my function keys worked ;)
[04:48] <jsgotangco> Tecra M2
[04:48] <jjesse> for jsgotangco page see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraM2
[04:48] <Hobbsee> toshiba?  nice, does it overheat?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> nope
[04:49] <jjesse> i was just on the laptoptesting team page :)
[04:49] <jjesse> i hope you didn't mind
[04:50] <jsgotangco> i could load dapper here later and check what changed although most of the stuff will work except the function keys
[04:50] <jsgotangco> at least you have a baseline result from an official test unit
[04:50] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: that might be helpful
[04:50] <Hobbsee> although most people ahve upgraded by now
[04:50] <jjesse> right now i can only load kubuntu in VMs due to work stuff
[04:51] <jsgotangco> VMs won't be that accurate though
[04:51] <jsgotangco> a live cd should suffice even
[04:52] <jsgotangco> dapper =)
[04:52] <nixternal> grrr.
[04:52] <jjesse> agreed
[04:52] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i've got a ubuntu one if you wanted it :P
[04:53] <nixternal> come on jsgotangco...send some back here to the Windy City ;)
[04:53] <jjesse> Hobbsee: no thanks i'll pass
[04:53] <jsgotangco> some people have started receiving their orders
[04:53] <nixternal> so i've heard
[04:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:53] <nixternal> i have 2 fairly large orders
[04:54] <jsgotangco> i really like the way the bootsplash for kubuntu was made its really solid
[04:54] <jjesse> well lady and gentleman time for me to head to bed
[04:54] <nixternal> isn't it the same as ubuntu...just bloooo?
[04:54] <nixternal> and has the extra k :)
[04:54] <jjesse> contineue the discussion on the mailing list so i can catch up :)
[04:54] <jsgotangco> the blue is very solid though and it makes a difference
[04:54] <nixternal> hehe
[04:55] <nixternal> ahhh...true...thats why blooo is my favorite color
[04:55] <Hobbsee> night jjesse 
[04:55] <nixternal> although..i have been messing around with Ubuntu for documentation..and the Human theme has grown on me
[04:55] <nixternal> oooh...trillian..that just hurts my heart to see that ;)
[04:55] <jsgotangco> im not really a kde user but my wife uses it in her laptop so...
[04:56] <nixternal> come on...need to use kde...you are from chiKago ;)
[04:57] <imbrandon> trillian is windows only too isnt it LOL
[04:59] <jsgotangco> yeah poor jjesse doesn't even have broadband as well so...
[04:59] <jsgotangco> im sure he could do more with enough resources
[04:59] <Hobbsee> nixternal: mine too...ick
[04:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it didnt run under wine, yeah
[05:00] <nixternal> which i don't get...since i can look out my window across the pond and wave at jjesse ;)
[05:00] <imbrandon> ok i'm headed to bed soon ....... sleep 
[05:12] <Hobbsee> back
[05:12] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon 
[05:12] <imbrandon> night gurl, dont stir up too much dust tonight ;)
[05:12] <imbrandon> btw i think nixternal did some meeting minute if you want to look
[05:13] <imbrandon> if not i'm sure there is a log
[05:13] <Hobbsee> i'll read the log of it, it's fine
[05:13] <Hobbsee> yeah, with the rest of them :)
[05:13] <imbrandon> hehe gnight
[05:13] <imbrandon> hi freeflying-g4, bye freeflying-g4
[05:14] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: hey
[05:14] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee: hey
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying-g4 :)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: are you the maintainer of scim/skim?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> the latter, particularly?
[05:15] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee: yep
[05:15] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/2006-06-26
[05:15] <nixternal> ^^ Hobbsee
[05:15] <Hobbsee> thanks nixternal 
[05:15] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee: how about today's meeting
[05:16] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: cool - there was talk last night on where to subscribe skim bugs to - how it wasnt a part of kubuntu-team
[05:16] <Hobbsee> then again, if your'e the maintainer, i'm guessing that you subscribe to the entire package, like i do with kde network
[05:17] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee: okey, also I'd subscribe to scim-qtimm?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: subscribe to any and all of it, probably
[05:17] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4: it just means that you get all email notifications of any bug changes
[05:18] <freeflying-g4> Hobbsee: gotta,thanks
[05:18] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> that's how i picked up that bug about kopete that was in the meeting.
[05:19] <DaSkreech> The Riddel show is terrible
[05:22] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: imbrandon: she's sleeping <-- he got that one right
[05:22] <jsgotangco> Riddel show?
[05:23] <DaSkreech> The ubuntuos one
[05:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh, and i did read it, i didnt understand it, and couldnt make it work.
[05:25] <imbrandon> huh , what ? *looks confused*
[05:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the @``SIG@ thing
[05:25] <nixternal> @SIG@ will leave your name, date, and time when you click save ;)
[05:26] <imbrandon> you put @SIG@ not @``SIG@ , thats an escaped version so it will show on the wiki
[05:26] <nixternal> lol...it won't show up in preview though
[05:26] <imbrandon> like\ blah\ in\ bash
[05:26] <imbrandon> wiki uses ``
[05:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:27] <Hobbsee> oh grrr....
[05:27] <Hobbsee> hey robotgeek 
[05:27] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:27] <robotgeek> hey Hobbsee , how you doing?
[05:27] <imbrandon> ok off to bed again
[05:27] <imbrandon> gnight all
[05:27] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: i skipped the meeting to sleep hehe
[05:28] <robotgeek> i havent been attending any meetings lately, been busy
[05:28] <imbrandon> hehe Hobbsee just put " blah my agenda item here as a test @SIG@ "  < save , then look at it , then delete it ;)
[05:29] <imbrandon> hehe Hobbsee obviously not, we dident know who put that in the meeting today ;)
[05:29] <imbrandon> also ["Hobsee"]  will work too
[05:29] <imbrandon> or ["imbrandon'}
[05:29] <imbrandon> ["imbrandon"]  etc
[05:29] <Hobbsee> i wouldnt have added those last two bits to the agenda if i wasnt going to be there -they were kinda my reminder about what to ask about
[05:30] <Hobbsee> hey, about that laptop testign team thing...
[05:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:30] <Hobbsee> like last time
[05:30] <imbrandon> ?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> we wouldnt need to have specific kubuntu things, except suspend, and hotkeys
[05:30] <Hobbsee> everything else would be the same.
[05:30] <imbrandon> you talkin to me ?
[05:31] <imbrandon> you mean ummm what do you mean?
[05:31] <linuxmonkey> imbrandon you get lost very easily lately
[05:31] <imbrandon> your just wakin up and i'm just going to sleep , bad combo
[05:31] <nixternal> true Hobbsee...as my function keys worked exactly the same with Ubuntu Hoary, Breezy, and Dapper the same way they did for Kubuntu Hoary, Breezy, and Dapper
[05:31] <imbrandon> linuxmonkey, i'm very tired been up 22 hours
[05:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:32] <imbrandon> nixternal, laptop function keys are hardware based
[05:32] <Hobbsee> a bit earlier, they were talking about laptop testing, and kubuntu laptpo testing team
[05:32] <imbrandon> the blue colord ones ?
[05:32] <nixternal> i also mean hotkeys
[05:32] <imbrandon> Fn keys
[05:32] <nixternal> my fault on that
[05:33] <Hobbsee> i'm saying, now that i've thought about it over breakfast, that we only need to have tests for suspend/hibernate and hotkeys - as gnome hotkey applet != kde hotkey applet, and the same applies to hibernate/suspend at the moment, w.r.t. kpowersave.
[05:33] <imbrandon>  ahh well the blue Fn keys work no matter if you have ms dos 3.0 or sun solaris , they are hardware based ;) 
[05:33] <imbrandon> right Hobbsee
[05:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: depends if they're mapped properly
[05:34] <Hobbsee> because we keep getting reports of "my multimedia keys work in ubuntu but not in kubuntu"
[05:34] <nixternal> true..because i can use xed and read my function keys
[05:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, they are mapped via the keyboard controller via hardware
[05:34] <nixternal> talking the play, back, forward, pause and stop function keys
[05:34] <imbrandon> nixternal, its reading the same value as it would without Fn held, they all have a second value
[05:34] <nixternal> BLUE :)
[05:35] <imbrandon> gah ok i'm too tired to explain what i'm meaning correctly but yea
[05:35] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:35] <nixternal> because my play keys and all that didn't work with Kubuntu...however they worked with Ubuntu..and they are blue..meaning i have to press the Fn key to make them work
[05:36] <nixternal> actually..they are red on this stupid compaq
[05:36] <Hobbsee> hmmm...right...
[05:36] <imbrandon> last time , gnight yall ( shoot me an email if you need something before i wake )
[05:36] <nixternal> which really didn't get tested since i dropped it and broke it prior to testing it
[05:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:36] <nixternal> you have logs ;)
[05:37] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:39] <linuxmonkey> i wished my start button and others worked in kubuntu
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Why doesn't it?
[05:40] <linuxmonkey> cause the old map thing didnt work
[05:42] <nixternal> oh ya..i uninstall windows last year..no more "start" buttons in my house ;)
[05:43] <nixternal> mine is mapped for TS ;)
[05:43] <nixternal> because of Riddell though ;)
[05:44] <DaSkreech> TS/
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Terminal Server?
[05:44] <linuxmonkey> yeah i like the windows key mapped to the menu, it worked in ubuntu but not kubuntu
[05:44] <crimsun> (teamspeak)
[05:44] <nixternal> team speak
[05:45] <nixternal> lol
[05:45] <nixternal> i don't have a windows key...i have a yellow tux key though
[05:45] <linuxmonkey> really
[05:46] <nixternal> you can buy a bag of them from some website dirt cheap
[05:46] <nixternal> i think i got mine years ago from www.directron.com when i was writing how-to and reviews for maximum pc
[05:46] <DaSkreech> maximum PC!!
[05:46] <nixternal> i know..garbage mag
[05:47] <nixternal> 2000-2002..even when they weren't paper form
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Including the maximum Linux before-its-time mag
[05:47] <nixternal> whoa
[05:47] <nixternal> ya..you just went old school
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Well I also have boot 01
[05:47] <DaSkreech> If you really want to kick it
[05:47] <nixternal> i remember boot...screensavers and techtv used to talk about that mag
[05:48] <DaSkreech> I think you mean ZDNet
[05:48] <nixternal> oh no...and ziff davis
[05:48] <nixternal> not rather
[05:48] <nixternal> ziff davis owes me money
[05:48] <DaSkreech> And everyone else an apology
[05:48] <nixternal> from 2001
[05:49] <nixternal> lol
[05:49] <nixternal> ya..they sold their souls to g4
[05:49] <nixternal> when i was with virtual-hideout we did a couple things with them...did a watercooling episode, and a casemod with playstations and xboxes inside a pc with yoshi
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Yoshi's pretty cool
[05:51] <nixternal> where is he at now?
[05:51] <DaSkreech> Don't know how else you get a 10,000 dollar laser as a present 
[05:51] <nixternal> i see patrick every now and then..and even got an email from patrick recently about maker's fairre
[05:52] <DaSkreech> How's his wife?
[05:52] <nixternal> didn't get to go..but realy wanted to..my dad made it i believe
[05:52] <nixternal> you know..i haven't kept up with him personally for a few years..he ran across my name on something and thats why he emailed
[05:53] <nixternal> we have a mutual friend...so thats how i know a lot of whats going on with him
[05:53] <DaSkreech> :-) Nice chap
[05:53] <nixternal> he remembered that i liked hacking hardware and building stuff
[05:53] <DaSkreech> So the windows/tux key I think was working on mandriva
[05:54] <nixternal> i wouldn't know...the whole distro that starts with Mand* i stopped using in probably 98
[05:54] <nixternal> maybe earlier
[05:54] <nixternal> ya..cuz in 98 i went strictly suse
[05:54] <nixternal> then in 2000 i went on a debian and slackware adventure that was bound to lead to trouble
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Well essentially my point is that we should be able to get it owrking and shipping in Kubuntu
[05:55] <nixternal> and in 2005 i did Ubuntu/Kubuntu..then some gentoo..and some mepis..and now back to Kubuntu.. ;)
[05:55] <nixternal> that is true DaSkreech..and would be great
[05:55] <nixternal> i seriously don't have mine binded to anything but teamspeak
[05:55] <nixternal> i am going to bind it to kmenu
[05:56] <nixternal> keycode 115
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Compiz seems to use it a lot
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Plus I think that though Alt+F1 is pretty cool the Super key does seem more natuarl for first timers and it is an extra Button you can use for fun stuff
[06:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: how about we get the windows key binded to kmenu by default?  can you create a patch for that, as you seem to know more about that than i do?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> i think it was supposed to be done in dapper, but didnt happen
[06:03] <Hobbsee> my key still doesnt work.
[06:04] <nixternal> mine doesn't either
[06:04] <nixternal> im trying to hack it in
[06:04] <nixternal> if i can find what im looking for
[06:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: got the right package?
[06:05] <nixternal> i have every package ;)
[06:05] <nixternal> what package are you referring to?
[06:06] <DaSkreech> This guy isn't very professional
[06:06] <nixternal> who's that DaSkreech?
[06:06] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure what it is - just that you wont find what you're lookign for if you're in the wrong package
[06:06] <DaSkreech> The guy running the ubuntuos radio thing
[06:06] <nixternal> i have looked at kmilo
[06:07] <nixternal> oh ya DaSkreech..the guy from boston kills me
[06:07] <nixternal> he is loud
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Yeah and has a grating accent
[06:08] <nixternal> Hobbsee: quit contemplating and get to it ;)
[06:08] <nixternal> make the windows key work while you are there...hehe
[06:08] <Hobbsee> k-d-s doesnt control the keys, i expect
[06:09] <Hobbsee> and i'm still reading teh darned meeting
[06:09] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yes, you should.
[06:09] <nixternal> hehe
[06:11] <Hobbsee> when lure gets here, someone remind me to talk to him  about firefox 
[06:13] <Hobbsee> that sig thing still doesnt work here, hmm.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: do it, iwj will hate you :P
[06:16] <Hobbsee> just check if they're there first - there are heaps.
[06:17] <DaSkreech> They are :-)
[06:17] <DaSkreech>  I just want to kick up about them so that they will get looked at again for a day before being dropped
[06:18] <DaSkreech>  one of them has been there since 0.4 I think
[06:19] <nixternal> i can't seem to map just the windows key
[06:20] <nixternal> it works no problem with a combination..but as soon as i try it on it's own..it doesn't work
[06:20] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: if you can, find a patch upstream for it, or make sure there's enough info there, etc
[06:20] <Hobbsee> the firefox bug list is horrible
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know
[06:25] <Hobbsee> most of the bugs are badly explained, nto enoguh info, etc.  yuck.
[06:25] <nixternal> tell me about it Hobbsee..i have did a night of 4 hours of triage, and my head still hurts from it...
[06:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Well they were the first people I know of to have a public bug entering system and it goes all the way back to when it was netscape so ... yeah
[06:25] <Hobbsee> what were you triaging nixternal?
[06:26] <nixternal> a little bit of everything...mostly just fixing duplicates, and linking to kde/gnome bugs
[06:26] <nixternal> asking for more info
[06:26] <nixternal> stuff like that...im not a coder...i can read code good..but i can't write it anymore..i used to write code..but took a nice long break from it..got into hardware and networking hardcore ;)
[06:27] <nixternal> i wrote code back in the c days, when microsoft wasn't on anything...and you used borland for everything
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[06:27] <Hobbsee> hmm...i might not be able to do that patch - looks painful - i cant see where it's supposed to go
[06:27] <nixternal> when compiling a simple 10mb or so program took a day
[06:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ah yes, fair enough.  did you pick the kdenetwork bug that needs marking upstream?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> as a wishlist?
[06:28] <nixternal> i dont' know...got a #
[06:28] <nixternal> is my name written all over it
[06:29] <nixternal> RichJohnson or nixternal
[06:29] <Hobbsee> bug 50951
[06:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50951 in kdenetwork "Messages are sent on <enter> and this can't be changed permanently" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50951
[06:29] <Hobbsee> no, no one's modified it
[06:29] <nixternal> ahh...i haven't seen it come through yet
[06:29] <DaSkreech> !pastebin
[06:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:30] <nixternal> is there a way to bind just 1 key...and not 2 keys?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> no idea nixternal - probably on the net somewhere, unless someone else knows
[06:31] <nixternal> well..in Regional & Accessibility..there are all the keyboard mappings
[06:31] <nixternal> just gotta use 2 keys for everything
[06:31] <nixternal> that just might be a gui issue...need to locate the actual file
[06:40] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4_: boo
[06:40] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4_: ping
[06:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: there were two versions of kopete.  darn.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> this is confusing.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> i can see where the config file kopeterc is, but this file seems to be generated when kopete is run for the first time or soemthing - it's not in the source.
[07:00] <freeflying-g4__> Hobbsee: hey
[07:00] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4__: know where the kopete config files are kept, at all?
[07:01] <freeflying-g4__> Hobbsee:  .kde/share/config
[07:01] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4__: sorry, in the source - which source is it in?
[07:01] <Hobbsee> i cant see what generates .kde/share/config
[07:01] <Hobbsee>  /kopeterc
[07:01] <freeflying-g4__> Hobbsee: kcfg
[07:02] <Hobbsee> kcfg...app or file?
[07:02] <freeflying-g4__> .kcfg file
[07:04] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[07:04] <Hobbsee> i might just ask tonio_ about it when he comes in
[07:07] <freeflying-g4__> Hobbsee: I'm using osx now, can not help you, heh
[07:07] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[07:09] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4__: where's that?
[07:10] <freeflying-g4__> Hobbsee: beiJing, China, have you ever heard of?
[07:10] <Hobbsee> freeflying-g4__: heard of it, yep
[07:10] <DaSkreech> No. Has Angelina ever been ther?
[07:10] <jsgotangco> Angelina?
[07:11] <freeflying-g4__> Hobbsee: welcome you here  :)
[07:14] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:43] <DaSkreech> !xgl
[07:44] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:46] <Hobbsee> Sydney	Mon 11:00 PM <-- excellent :)
[07:49] <crimsun> err?
[07:50] <Hobbsee> next meeting time - i can actually calculate properly
[07:52] <crimsun> ah
[07:59] <jsgotangco> hey kwwii
[07:59] <kwwii> moin jsgotangco
[07:59] <jsgotangco> kwwii: was it your camera that took the group photo in paris?
[08:00] <kwwii> jsgotangco: yes it was
[08:00] <kwwii> wanna buy that camera? (I am now thinking of buying a fuji S3) :-)
[08:00] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:00] <Hobbsee> kwwii: where is said group photo?
[08:01] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/14_3.jpg
[08:01] <jsgotangco> kwwii: well im looking for recommended slrs...
[08:01] <Hobbsee> kwwii: that your server or somethiing?
[08:01] <jsgotangco> kwwii: do you have other pics from the summit
[08:01] <Hobbsee> wow that's a lot of people!
[08:01] <kwwii> jsgotangco: actually that camera is not an slr..it is a sony rc1, which has a fixed lense - *but* that lense it AMAZINGLY GOOD
[08:02] <jsgotangco> i agree im looking at the photo now
[08:02] <kwwii> one second and I will post the names of the orig files
[08:02] <jsgotangco> man thats amazingly good
[08:03] <kwwii> _DSC8012.JPG    _DSC8013.JPG    _DSC8014.JPG    _DSC8015.JPG    _DSC8016.JPG    _DSC8017.JPG
[08:03] <kwwii> all of those are on bootsplash.org
[08:03] <kwwii> but they are the orig JPG files (I also have raw files, but they are pretty big)
[08:03] <kwwii> the pics are 10MP
[08:04] <kwwii> Hobbsee: yeah, that is my server...I am co-author of the bootsplash
[08:04] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[08:04] <kwwii> jsgotangco: for the money, the sony is the best camera you can buy atm
[08:05] <kwwii> it costs 800Euros...to get the same quality lense from any other DSLR it would cost you a few thousand
[08:09] <jsgotangco> man those are nice
[08:09] <kwwii> the only negative factor with the sony rc-1 is that it cannot take pics as fast as a DSLR
[08:09] <kwwii> it can take 3 per second but then it has to wait about a second
[08:09] <kwwii> the canon 5d can take 5 per second
[08:10] <kwwii> but costs a few thousand, and then you still have to buy a decent lense
[08:10] <kwwii> the sony has the most amazing wide angle Zeiss lense
[08:11] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:12] <jsgotangco> man the quality is amazing
[08:14] <kwwii> yeah
[08:14] <kwwii> honestly, it is like this: set the lense to the widest setting possible, and then press the button...poof, you have an amazing picture
[08:15] <kwwii> anyone here a football fan?
[08:16] <jsgotangco> this is probably the best summit group photo at the moment heh
[08:16] <jsgotangco> yeah i watch football
[08:16] <jsgotangco> is this camera good for sports?
[08:17] <kwwii> if so, check out http://bootsplash.org/kaka/_DSC0007_1.tif _DSC0009_1.tif _DSC0009_3.tif _DSC0011_5.tif _DSC0012_1.tif _DSC0014_1.tif _DSC0018_5.tif
[08:18] <kwwii> to be honest, if you want a camera for sports, I would buy a canon
[08:18] <kwwii> I had the 20d for a while, and it rocks at sports fotos
[08:18] <kwwii> it takes 5 pics a second (but only 8MP)
[08:18] <kwwii> that is soo fast...some of the pics almost look the same no matter how fast they run
[08:19] <kwwii> those last pics are of Kak (the brazilian star, who plays for FC Milan)
[08:22] <kwwii> the other nice thing about the sony is that it has the same full size sensor as the nikon F-1 (about 10,000 Euros just for the body)
[08:22] <jsgotangco> eeekkk
[08:22] <jsgotangco> gee
[08:22] <jsgotangco> do pros even use those?
[08:23] <kwwii> yes, as their bakup camera :-)
[08:24] <kwwii> the Kaka pics were taken with an F-1
[08:25] <kwwii> the new fuji s3 is pretty good for the money (1000 for the body, with a few good lenses around 2000-3000) and it is 12MP
[08:26] <kwwii> the nifty thing about the fuji is that it has hexagonal sensors which measure the light better...so it is great for skin tones
[08:27] <jsgotangco> you sure do love your camera technology =)
[08:29] <kwwii> yeah, my wife hates it :p
[08:29] <kwwii> every time I go to an electronics store she has to keep my away from the camera section
[08:30] <kwwii> actually, now I want to buy a smaller camera that I can take every
[08:30] <kwwii> but I am soo picky, it is hard to decide which one :)
[10:10] <hunger> kdm is broken
[10:11] <hunger> and I can not get into my kde session with either startx nor gdm:-( I hear the startup sound, but the screen stays blue.
[10:11] <hunger> Any ideas on how I can work around this for the moment?
[10:13] <kwwii> ouch
[10:13] <kwwii> try startkde?
[10:14] <kwwii> it sounds like a bigger problem, if gdm does not work either
[10:27] <\sh> moins
[10:27] <kwwii> hi \sh
[10:27] <\sh> hey kwwii
[10:27] <hunger> kwwii: startkde works only with a running Xserver.
[10:27] <hunger> kwii: It seems to be started automatically (or I wouldn't hear the kde startup sound).
[10:27] <kwwii> hunger: good point
[10:27] <kwwii> :-)
[10:27] <hunger> \sh: Poor you:-)
[10:27] <\sh> and fsfe.org love as well ;)
[10:27] <kwwii> hunger: so it sounds like a problem with your xserver, or?
[10:27] <kwwii> hehe, I saw miriam in paris
[10:27] <\sh> kwwii: I saw her during FrOSCon...and we danced, drank, laughed ;)
[10:27] <hunger> kwii: That runs fine...
[10:27] <hunger> Who is miriam?
[10:27] <\sh> myriam from fsfe.org
[10:28] <\sh> hunger: you missed 500 litre of good koelsch ;)
[10:28] <\sh> sponsored by o'reilly ;)
[10:28] <hunger> \sh: Damn... I am a fsfe fellow and nobody introduces the women there to me:-)
[10:29] <hunger> \sh: No problem, I do not drink alcohol.
[10:30] <\sh> anyways...I was sitting with sebas, danimo and volker in the kde dev room...now I'm preparing at least for danimo some qt-copy, new dbus packages for dapper...so they can do some kde4 dev work on dapper 
[10:30] <jsgotangco> miriam is very very cool
[10:33] (kwwii/#kubuntu-devel) I actually only used that phrase to poke fun at gnomes usage of the phrase
[10:34] (\sh/#kubuntu-devel) kwwii: but sebas started with that, when I just arrived at froscon, he hugged me first ;)
[10:34] (kwwii/#kubuntu-devel) :p
[10:34] (kwwii/#kubuntu-devel) those funky dutch guys
[10:39] <\sh> but it was really good..everybody enjoyed this conf...
[10:40] <kwwii> cool, good to hear
[10:41] <Riddell> now if only we could get a report from the KDE exhibitors on the dot
[10:44] <\sh> Riddell: sebas ;) but I think he has a hangover as well..one week paris with you guys, and 2 days with the opensource family at froscon..
[10:45] <\sh> http://wiki.froscon.de/index.php/Main_Page there are some voices from the froscon, from madduck, joey schulze from debian etc.
[10:49] <hunger> \sh: dbus debs for kde4 development are a really good idea! I'd appreciate those a lot:-)
[10:51] <\sh> hunger: I'll prepare an external archive for those...trying to get a daily build of those stuff
[10:57] <Riddell> why do we need an external archive for dbus?
[11:07] <\sh> Riddell: no..but for development versions
[11:07] <\sh> for kde4 kdesvn trunk versions
[11:08] <\sh> I explained danimo how he can develop for kde4 without destroying his production system 
[11:08] <Riddell> yeah, kdelibs for kde 4 would be cool
[11:08] <Riddell> but that doesn't need to be external, as long as its done right
[11:10] <\sh> Riddell: the actual dbus version in edgy or dapper is not usable for kde4 trunk...debians dbus version is ok
[11:11] <\sh> Riddell: but dbus needs to be recompiled against qt-copy from kdesvn 
[11:11] <\sh> because of the qt bindings
[11:11] <Riddell> \sh: then we'll update that
[11:11] <Riddell> right, we need qt4 in main then, but that'll happen anyway
[11:11] <\sh> Riddell: but not qt-copy with all those nice patches which are not official ;)
[11:12] <sebas>  11:11:14 up -24855 days, -3:-14,  2 users,  load average: 0.71, 0.53, 0.38
[11:13] <Riddell> \sh: take a look at my qt 4 upload from yesterday
[11:14] <\sh> qt4-x11_4.1.4.svn20060625-1~kdesvn1.dsc ;) 
[11:17] <\sh> hey sebas
[11:18] <viviersf> is new kubuntu gonna have qt 4 ?
[11:19] <crimsun> it's in dapper, too (in universe)
[11:20] <sebas> hej Saint Herman :)
[11:21] <\sh> sebas: my love, I hope you managed your hang over ;)
[11:21] <sebas> Sure, there was no hangover
[11:25] <Riddell> viviersf: yes
[11:25] <viviersf> cool Riddell :D
[11:25] <viviersf> pyqt4 is gonna be fun
[11:26] <sebas> Riddell: BTW, code for powermanager is in the guidance svn repo
[11:26] <Riddell> ah well, \sh is the man working on that hopefully
[11:26] <Riddell> sebas: rocking
[11:26] <sebas> Did a little more work on the backend last weekend, not too much though.
[11:26] <Riddell> sebas: can you find someone to do a dot report for froscon?
[11:27] <sebas> Riddell: Guess so, maybe I can do it later on.
[11:27] <sebas> Riddell: What about one about UDS?
[11:27] <Riddell> sebas: sure, that too
[11:27] <sebas> Who? :-)
[11:28] <Riddell> well anyone who can bother, but it's not a KDE event so it's not too important
[11:28] <sebas> FrOSCon is not a KDE event either
[11:31] <Riddell> sebas: no, but it has a KDE stall
[11:33] <sebas> Not really a KDE stall, more a room where we would hack with three people, and 2 kde talks.
[11:34] <sebas> Anyway, I'll try to write up something later and ask danimo to add some bits I forget.
[11:34] <Riddell> that's even better
[01:55] <hunger> Anybody looking into the kdm problem?
[02:05] <kwwii> hunger: to be honest, I don't have a problem with it on any of my machines
[02:06] <hunger> kwwii: maybe I missed a qt update (or have one too many).
[02:07] <hunger> kwwii: *ALL* kde apps complain about QFrame, etc. having the wrong size.
[02:10] <hunger> kwwii: or some kdelib having symbols missing.
[02:14] <kwwii> ouch
[02:14] <kwwii> sounds funky to me
[02:14] <kwwii> no idea what you installed, but whatever it was, deintsall it :p
[02:16] <hunger> kwwii: When did you last update kdelibs?
[02:16] <hunger> kwwii: Are you using edgy?
[02:26] <kwwii> hunger: I update them every day
[02:27] <kwwii> ahhh, I am not running edgy though
[02:27] <kwwii> that would explain things
[02:40] <hunger> Ha! I'm back in KDE!
[02:40] <hunger> libqt3 was hosed.
[02:40] <nixternal> moin
[02:41] <hunger> Make that libqt3-mt in edgy.
[02:41] <hunger> Well, so is kdelibs from edgy:-(
[02:43] <hunger> Hmmmm.... probably it is not hosed, just broken due to the qt and kdelibs being build with a new compiler
[03:04] <nixternal_> moin Hobbsee
[03:04] <nixternal_> ;)
[03:04] <nixternal_> beat ya
[03:05] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal_ 
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks :)
[03:05] <nixternal_> time to do some work :(
[03:07] <Hobbsee> heh, enjoy
[03:12] <insanekane> Hobbsee: how was the meeting yesterday ?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> insanekane: Riddell let me sleep :)
[03:13] <insanekane> ah ok
[03:14] <Hobbsee> he was very kind
[03:26] <jjesse> morning
[03:26] <imbrandon> moins jjesse
[03:27] <jjesse> imbrandon: how are thinsg going?
[03:27] <imbrandon> good good, getting ready to do a little painting
[03:30] <jjesse> can someone look at bug #5346 it is labeled as fix committed, was a fix indeed released?
[03:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 5346 in kaffeine "Kaffeine crashes konqueror when trying to play embedded movies" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5346
[03:31] <jjesse> going through all of the "old" bugs assigned to the kubuntu team
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ah yes :)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> kdebase, if your'e feeling brave
[03:32] <jjesse> was the fix released?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i'd say that wasnt released.
[03:34] <jjesse> Hobbsee: so how do you deal w/ that bug then?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> i'd say it wasnt approved - doesnt seem to be in the changelog.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> jjesse: poke Riddell to upload the change - although now the version numbers have changed, so i guess you'd have to ask tonio for the fix, and repatch it
[03:36] <Riddell> jjesse: there should be a new k-d-s in dapper-updates
[03:36] <jjesse> Riddell: so that will take care of the bug?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> nothing here yet.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks for lettign me sleep (now that your'e actually here)
[03:37] <Riddell> jjesse: I'd say so
[03:38] <jjesse> do you want to change the bug status then?
[03:40] <Riddell> jjesse: k
[03:40] <Riddell> ok
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is edgy currently broken, w.r.t kde?  
[03:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: shouldn't be but I've not tried it
[03:45] <Hobbsee> @now
[03:46] <Riddell> I'll test it once kdebase is compiled
[03:46] <Riddell> its working locally for me
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, cool :)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: Seveas is asking for ops in #kubuntu
[03:48] <Seveas> Hobbsee, I was messing with imbrandon ;)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Seveas: ah :P
[03:48] <Riddell> it's also been suggested I give ops to gnomefreak
[03:48] <Seveas> (although, it may be useful. People seem to think I have ops everywhere)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> nah, cant have you getting too powerful :P
[03:49] <Riddell> it would be handy if ubotu gave channel appropriate answers to !ops
[03:49] <imbrandon> heh
[03:49] <apokryphos> Riddell: it does
[03:49] <Riddell> oh, sorted
[03:49] <apokryphos> for example...
[03:49] <imbrandon> apokryphos, only if you say !kubuntu-ops etc
[03:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i updated !kops
[03:49] <apokryphos> imbrandon: no
[03:49] <imbrandon> but most still just say !ops
[03:49] <Riddell> yeah but people still run !ops in #kubuntu
[03:49] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: check in #kubuntu
[03:49] <Hobbsee> although, that would be helpful for the split channel thing
[03:50] <Seveas> Riddell, !ops in #kubuntu calls #kubuntu ops
[03:50] <Riddell> groovy
[03:50] <Seveas> Hobbsee, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16621
[03:50] <apokryphos> you can add channel-specific factoids using this syntax:   !factoid-#channel is X
[03:50] <Seveas> !-kops
[03:50] <ubotu> kops is <alias> ops
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Seveas: wow
[03:51] <Seveas> !ops-#kubuntu-devel
[03:51] <ubotu> I know nothing about ops-#kubuntu-devel
[03:51] <Seveas> !ops-#kubuntu-devel is <alias> !ops-#kubuntu
[03:51] <ubotu> Error: unresolvable <alias>
[03:51] <Seveas> hrm
[03:51] <Seveas> who messed with his brain...
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Seveas: another bug.  you did.
[03:52] <apokryphos> also, the ops in here are quite different
[03:53] <jjesse> !ops
[03:53] <ubotu> Help! lilo, hedgemage, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee or gnomefreak!
[03:53] <apokryphos> jjesse: no channel-specific factoid has been set for it, yet
[03:53] <jjesse> oh
[03:53] <jjesse> wasn't paying attention :)
[03:54] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: does that turn you on?
[03:54] <jjesse> hopefully
[03:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: are you going to post that podcast to the dot?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: er?
[03:56] <imbrandon> Riddell, i did last night i though *looks*
[03:56] <imbrandon> thought*
[03:56] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grrr#Sexual_arousal
[03:57] <Riddell> imbrandon: there's nothing in the queue
[03:57] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: i was *hoping* that you would be referring to anything else but that.
[03:57] <imbrandon> Riddell, ok give me 5 min i'll have it posted again
[03:58] <jpatrick> sorry
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:58] <nixternal_> haha
[04:00] <Hobbsee> CC meeting in one minute or so
[04:02] <nixternal> i love when people call right as you are heading out the door and tell you they canceled the meeting
[04:03] <nixternal> grrr..as in angry grrr ;)
[04:03] <imbrandon> Riddell, check the que now please
[04:03] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that's the one.
[04:04] <nixternal> haha
[04:04] <nixternal> thats the one i use all the time Hobbsee..when i grrr..its cuz im angry...or if i am playin' with the kids tryin' to scare um...although my mug does a good enough job of scaring um i guess ;)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:05] <nixternal> i was planning on hitting a great cafe for breakfast too...grrr again ;)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ping?
[04:53] <bddebian> Hello
[04:53] <robotgeek> hey bddebian 
[04:53] <jjesse> boo
[04:53] <bddebian> aaaahhh :-)
[04:53] <bddebian> Hi robotgeek
[04:53] <jjesse> bddebian: community council meeting going on in #ubuntu-meeting
[04:54] <bddebian> Ack
[04:54] <Hobbsee> bddebian: you're late!
[04:54] <bddebian> Traffic was the suXX0r
[04:59] <Riddell> imbrandon: dot story up, thanks much
[05:06] <Riddell> seaLne: I'm happy to upload k3b unless you have any outstanding issues
[05:14] <hunger> Riddell: Is there trouble rebuilding KDE on edgy? When will that be done?
[05:16] <Riddell> hunger: it's being done now
[05:18] <Riddell> hunger: what are you waiting for?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> who feels like fixing this?  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128610  It's to do with Riddell's 3.5.3 packags
[05:22] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 128610 in general "kscreensaver does not launch screensaver after x minutes." [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  
[05:23] <Hobbsee> guess the patch is grabbed from svn, and then applied.
[05:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: get me that patch and I'll put it in the kdeartwork package when I make it
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kdesktop/lockeng.cc?rev=548008&r1=506297&r2=548008&makepatch=1&diff_format=h what you're after?
[05:28] <nixternal> [10:25]  * Hobbsee kicks kde websvn.  work, silly thing1
[05:28] <nixternal> hahahahhahahah
[05:29] <nixternal> the things you have said today Hobbsee have put a huge smile on my dull day ;)  you kill me with the stick remark at the CC, and blowing up Ubugtu with a rocket laucher...and now picking on the websvn and kicking it
[05:29] <nixternal> to much
[05:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heheh
[05:29] <nixternal> hehe
[05:31] <hunger> Riddell: The complete package:-) Upgrading right now will hose kde:-(
[05:32] <hunger> Riddell: I guess that is due to compiler incompatibilities once again.
[05:33] <Hobbsee> hunger: thanks, i'll wait on upgrading :P
[05:34] <hunger> Hobbsee: You can upgrade all the non-C++ stuff.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> hunger: right.  and seeing as most of KDE is written in c++...
[05:35] <hunger> Hobbsee: Most? All the core stuff!
[05:36] <Hobbsee> hunger: i should have said "most if not all"
[05:37] <Riddell> all but the bits kubuntu adds :)
[05:37] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:37] <Hobbsee> which is in what? 
[05:38] <Riddell> guidance, ubiquity
[05:39] <Hobbsee> i actually meant in terms of languagae
[05:39] <Riddell> python
[05:39] <Hobbsee> right
[05:44] <Hobbsee> argh!  how do you get to the list thing that lets you select if you want digets or not?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> s/digets/digests
[05:45] <Riddell> lists.ubuntu.com
[05:46] <Riddell> follow the link at the bottom of any post
[05:56] <Hobbsee> STUPID KDE KEYBOARD BUG!!!!
[05:57] <Hobbsee> that bug's annoying - there is absolutely *no* way you can debug that.
[05:57] <Hobbsee> and there's no solution, but to reboot.
[05:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea like my ndiswrapper thing
[05:58] <imbrandon> actualy nicx thing
[05:58] <imbrandon> nic*
[05:58] <imbrandon> not realy ndis specific
[05:58] <cmvo> Hobbsee: What keyboard bug? Sticky Ctrl key?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> cmvo: no, the *all* of kde keyboard input stopping
[05:59] <imbrandon> does your mouse work still ?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> my internet was pinging out, then i couldnt get to the archives to update -  apt-get update would just blankly freeze, and then all keyboard stops
[05:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh yes, just no keyboard.
[05:59] <imbrandon> hrm
[06:00] <Hobbsee> so i tried a new session, it'd open, but it'd say that the current session was locked, and wouldnt let me switch to a new session
[06:00] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, me and you either need to become ndiswrapper expers or find one LOL
[06:00] <imbrandon> experts*
[06:00] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:00] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:01] <cmvo> Hobbsee: Oh, ok. I get a sticky ctrl key once in a while. It gets unstuck when I switch to text mode and back to X.
[06:01] <imbrandon> i have yet to get my realtek 8185 to work without hardlocking the system ( works fine in that *OTHER* propitary os )
[06:01] <Hobbsee> ohhhh...
[06:02] <Hobbsee> but i dont usually try that, when getting the crash.
[06:02] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, its almost instant
[06:02] <Hobbsee> ouch
[06:02] <nixternal> [10:57]  * imbrandon faints ...
[06:02] <imbrandon> as soon as the ko loads for the wlan0 it hardlocks, 
[06:02] <nixternal> OMG you copycat ;)
[06:03] <imbrandon> nixternal, shush
[06:03] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:03] <imbrandon> um no, kthxbye
[06:03] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ... ummm
[06:03] <imbrandon> what can err hrm wait .... *thinks*
[06:04] <imbrandon> trying to think how to word this without sounding totaly st00pid
[06:04] <nixternal> ndiswrapper experts don't want to show their faces ;)
[06:05] <imbrandon> whats the best way to debug a hardlock if you cant get to anything ( preferably with locking the system the minimal ammount of times )
[06:05] <nixternal> if it isn't atheros, prism, or orinoco, that has distinct kernel support and no goofy drivers or hacks to make work...i don't mess with it
[06:05] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ^^
[06:05] <Hobbsee> ndiswrapper experts stay well off IRC - mainly because people wnating ndiswrapper dotn read the basic documentation, and want help.
[06:05] <nixternal> plus with ndiswrapper you don't get rfmon
[06:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: power button.
[06:05] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[06:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: smart :P
[06:05] <nixternal> sudo ndiswrapper --load-stupid-windows-driver
[06:06] <nixternal> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[06:06] <imbrandon> yea i mean to FIX the problem , or atleaste a usefull bug report to someione that can
[06:06] <nixternal> umm..sounds winmodem'ish to me
[06:06] <Hobbsee> true
[06:06] <Hobbsee> file a bug for it
[06:06] <imbrandon> nixternal, its a realteck card there SHOULD be very good linux support for it
[06:06] <nixternal> it must be ndis related Hobbsee..as i don't get any of them
[06:07] <nixternal> what is the chipset though...wireless wise?
[06:07] <imbrandon> rt8185 IS the chipset, rt makes chipsets too you know ;)
[06:07] <Hobbsee> marvell 88w8335
[06:07] <nixternal> i shall pick up a card i guess so i can do ndiswrapper work..since nobody else wants to...actually no i won't..scratch that
[06:07] <nixternal> ahh marvell
[06:08] <nixternal> you know the best thing for marvell cards and linux Hobbsee?
[06:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no, what?
[06:08] <nixternal> DROP KICK THEM AS HARD AS YOU CAN!!!
[06:08] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:08] <nixternal> Ubuntu isn't the only community with issues...and all of them ndiswrapper related probably
[06:09] <nixternal> you know..there is a wireless forum coming to chicago soon that i am slated to attend...i think i will go with a ndiswrapper state of mind..and see what kind of support the wireless world really has...try to exploit them.
[06:09] <nixternal> i should have no problem...as long as someone doesn't point me out as an x-atheros/orinoco/prismII wifi hacker
[06:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, if someone wants to send me a nice wireless card, i'd be happy :)
[06:10] <nixternal> maybe i can skip one across the pond..since they look like perfect skipping stones ;)
[06:10] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you got an pcmcia slot avail on that lappy ?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i believe that's what contains my wifi card now
[06:11] <imbrandon> ahh wasent sure if it was built in like some ( or PCIe )
[06:11] <nixternal> ahhh thats what that is for...i thought something was wrong with my laptop..i kept putting in my credit card trying to buy stuff online
[06:11] <Hobbsee> nope
[06:16] <Hobbsee> night all, thanks in advance for getting that patch in Riddell 
[06:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: did you get it for me?
[06:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sure...i think so
[06:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where is it?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [Wed Jun 28 2006]  [01:28:08]  <Hobbsee> Riddell: is http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kdesktop/lockeng.cc?rev=548008&r1=506297&r2=548008&makepatch=1&diff_format=h what you're after?
[06:18] <nixternal> g'nite Hobbsee
[06:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: perfect thanks
[06:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yay!  :D
[06:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: out of curiosity, what do you actually do with that now?
[06:19] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'll put it in the kdeartwork 3.5.3 package I'm about to make for edgy
[06:19] <Hobbsee> copy it, name it whatever.patch, stick it in debian/patches and build?
[06:19] <Riddell> exactly
[06:19] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[06:19] <Riddell> so do I
[06:19] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[06:20] <Riddell> seaLne is the master now, he managed to separate all those k3b patches
[06:20] <Hobbsee> well if *you* have trouble, what do we have?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> add "chance" between what and do
[06:20] <Riddell> well, it's dpatch I mostly have issues with
[06:20] <Hobbsee> ah right
[06:20] <Riddell> lucky you :)
[06:21] <nixternal> anyone in here work on the kweather applet?
[06:21] <Riddell> not I
[06:21] <nixternal> im having weirdness with it
[06:21] <nixternal> 10 degree difference in kicker applet then program window
[06:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not lucky, just means i'm inexperienced
[06:28] <hunger> Well, there is no qt4 for edgy yet, so I guess it makes a certain amount of sense:-(
[06:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: new debs in debian or ubuntu?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry what?
[06:29] <Riddell> sorry, that was for hunger 
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i think you were referring to hunger :P
[06:29] <Hobbsee> bad tab completion :P
[06:30] <hunger> Riddell: the new ubuntu dbus debs have removed the qt4 support that was present on the debian debs.
[06:31] <Riddell> hunger: right, we just need to dig out the qt4 main inclusion review to get that fixed
[06:31] <hunger> Riddell: Wow, great!
[06:33] <hunger> My selfcompiled one seems to bite the ubuntu one:-(
[07:10] <bddebian> Hmm, Riddell is busy :-)
[07:17] <Riddell> the day of the big merge
[07:24] <uniq> kde enters edgy? :)
[07:24] <Riddell> well, it's already blocked at kdebase
[07:24] <uniq> oh.
[07:26] <hunger> uniq: Stay away from it for now.
[07:26] <uniq> hunger: i have no plans on updating yet :)
[07:26] <uniq> atleast just the chroot for now.
[07:27] <bddebian> kdetoys.. Hehe
[07:27] <hunger> uniq: Updating broke every singe qt app for me...
[07:27] <hunger> uniq 
[07:27] <hunger> My guess is that gcc went incompatible yet again.
[07:29] <uniq> it isn't to hard to downgrade luckily.
[07:30] <imbrandon> w00t
[07:31] <uniq> any nice presents yet? :)
[07:33] <imbrandon> heh lots of kde* comming accross ;)
[07:38] <uniq> riddell: i have kio-apt ready, it's at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/archive/edgy/
[07:38] <Riddell> thanks uniq, will look at in a minute
[07:40] <jjesse> will changes still come across dapper-changes or can i unsubscribe?
[07:40] <Riddell> jjesse: only stuff to dapper-updates will appear on dapper-changes
[07:40] <Riddell> I presume you've found edgy-changes
[07:40] <verwilst_> Riddell: do you know who had a dapper deb for kopete 0.12?
[07:40] <jjesse> yup, went to lists.ubuntu.com :)
[07:41] <verwilst_> Riddell: would be cool to be on kubuntu.org btw ;)
[07:41] <Riddell> verwilst_: imbrandon did
[07:41] <verwilst_> imbrandon: gimme gimme :d
[07:42] <imbrandon> Riddell, the one on /~riddell/packages/kopete is newer than mine
[07:42] <imbrandon> verwilst http://www.kubuntu.org/~riddell/packages/kopete
[07:42] <imbrandon> i'm sorry verwilst its http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[07:43] <Riddell> oh yes, http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[07:43] <imbrandon> and a unpublished kbfx still in the works 
[07:44] <imbrandon> and umm  a few others *curses ipodslave*
[07:44] <verwilst_> kbfx is pretty nice..
[07:44] <verwilst_> Riddell: will this get onto kubuntu.org?
[07:44] <verwilst_> would be nice if everybody could enjoy the latest kopete in dapper :)
[07:45] <imbrandon> it could possibly hit kubuntu.org or -backports but today is the big edgy merge day sooooo .....
[07:46] <verwilst_> oh? backports exists too?
[07:47] <verwilst_> imbrandon: 1.4.1beta has lots of changes over 1.4.0?
[07:47] <imbrandon> yea it exist but nothing in there afaik YET
[07:47] <imbrandon> verwilst yes 
[07:50] <verwilst_> imbrandon, okido, downloading :)
[07:56] <verwilst_> imbrandon, wow, the whole gui has been changed!
[07:56] <imbrandon> yea 
[07:56] <verwilst_> not bad though
[07:59] <jjesse>  should probablly ask this on #kubuntu but is there a way to launch adept-updater outside of adept-notifier?
[08:13] <nixternal> jjesse: sudo adep_updater no?
[08:13] <nixternal> sudo adept_updater rather
[08:15] <jjesse> ah silly me
[08:15] <jjesse> sorry :(
[08:17] <nixternal> hehe
[08:23] <DaSkreech> on the ubuntuos show *shudder* they said they were replacing ndiswrapper?
[08:23] <nixternal> really
[08:24] <nixternal> oh ya..the guy from boston rambled on about it now that i remember
[08:24] <nixternal> i dont' know..there seems to be a farely large following of ndiswrapper people
[08:24] <jjesse> that ubuntuos show was hard to hear
[08:24] <nixternal> the guy from boston..the accent kills me...my family there, i can't stand to talk to them on the phone cuz they all yell and don't use "r"'s
[08:25] <nixternal> ;)
[08:25] <DaSkreech> It's terrible
[08:25] <nixternal> pak the ca in the fwant yad
[08:25] <nixternal> getta beeah in da bah
[08:25] <DaSkreech> hahahahahahahahahahaha
[08:25] <nixternal> ;)
[08:25] <DaSkreech> It's a good idea but they shouldn't do it
[08:26] <nixternal> my aunt or uncle calls...i hurry up and make an excuse to go
[08:26] <nixternal> chicago people aren't much better either
[08:26] <nixternal> we are pretty loud ourselves..i have come to notice this by traveling
[08:27] <nixternal> anyways...ndiswrapper
[08:27] <nixternal> it serves a lot of cards...so where would support go for those i wonder?
[08:28] <imbrandon> something to maybe ask or discuss in #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[08:28] <nixternal> go there and ask then
[08:28] <nixternal> ;)
[08:28] <nixternal> report back to us here...lol
[08:28] <imbrandon> it was supose to be a polite hint ...... anyhow back to work for me
[08:28] <nixternal> hehe
[08:29] <DaSkreech> So XGl/AIGLX is on hold for edgy?
[08:30] <nixternal> from the sounds of Jonathan i would say...probably
[08:30] <nixternal> on Kubuntu's side i think...isn't the Ubuntu side pushing it?
[08:31] <Riddell> no
[08:31] <nixternal> neither are pushing it?
[08:31] <Riddell> not until its ready
[08:32] <nixternal> ya..thats what i thought i heard you say either on the podcast or elsewhere
[08:32] <nixternal> i have yet to play with it..i think it might be pushing the "to much eye candy" threshold for me ;) 
[08:33] <nixternal> nice to see all those kde commits ;)
[08:33] <DaSkreech> Kde guys don't really care too much about it right now so it gets little love
[08:34] <nixternal> KDE has enough eye candy for me
[08:34] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I think that's unfair
[08:34] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Why?
[08:35] <Riddell> well the only people working on it at all are those that Novell pay, and that half of novell only pays gnome people
[08:35] <DaSkreech> They are working on a huge rewrite on new technology which will also possibly be running on Windows
[08:35] <jjesse> why run XGL when you can run Aero w/ Vista?
[08:35] <DaSkreech>  I think that getting the windows to wobble on alpha technology is not really high on the list of cares
[08:36] <jjesse> in the windows world
[08:36] <nixternal> jjesse: as imbrandon would say....take that to #windows_don't_work_here ;)
[08:37] <jjesse> nixternal: grin
[08:37] <nixternal> see..it is times like that i wish imbrandon was around to respond to that one...imbrandon has the potential to be a BBS  BOFH if it ever happened again ;)
[08:37] <nixternal> hehe jjesse
[08:37] <jjesse> lets take it to offtopic if you want to talk about it, but aero glass is beautiful :)
[08:37] <nixternal> i was a lonely teenager during the BBS days...BOFH i miss ;(
[08:37] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Well isn't XGL/compiz/AIGLX all opensource?
[08:38] <jjesse> nixternal: i was a BOFH during the BBS days, me and my buddy ran one
[08:38] <jjesse> but once again that's offtopic :)
[08:38] <nixternal> hehe
[08:39] <jjesse> DaSkreech: serious question what is the big deal about XGL/compiz/AIGLX?
[08:39] <DaSkreech> You want the philosophical naswer or the fanboi answer?
[08:39] <DaSkreech> answer
[08:39] <jjesse> which one makes more sense?
[08:40] <DaSkreech> Philosophical
[08:40] <jjesse> then i take that one
[08:40] <jjesse> i'm trying to learn here, so i hope it doesn't come across as sarcastic
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Not till it starts dripping
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Well there is no more work being done on the 2D section of video cards
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Al work is being pumped into 3D and like CPUs software should scale to take advantage of that
[08:42] <DaSkreech> We shouldn't have to write code to approximate a fake transparency when you can have the hardware do that for you
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Esp when as time goes on it will do it better and faster and not get complicated when more complexity is thrown at it
[08:43] <DaSkreech> So XGL/AIGLX is the hardware layer for all the extra goodness that 3D cards bring to the party
[08:44] <jjesse> can i ask another question?  what is the big deal with transparency then?
[08:44] <nixternal> oh wow...i didn't realise there was only a small percentage of video cards that actually work with the aiglx server
[08:44] <jjesse> can you just minimize the applications you have open?
[08:44] <jjesse> can't
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Things like specifying points of origin and doing translations to them can make desktops much more usable and can be done in hardware
[08:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Yeah the ones that no one else cares about and the intel ones :)
[08:45] <DaSkreech> jjesse: You can have knotes open and work with the applications beneath them
[08:45] <DaSkreech> You can drop down yakuake and still see your TVcard :-)
[08:46] <jjesse> interestng
[08:47] <jjesse> so am i in the minority for not using transparency?
[08:47] <DaSkreech> You can use DBUs and throw up notifications for all sorts of thigns and have them graded by serverity by opacity so low level notifications are lightly opaque and important ones come up solid to "interuppt" you
[08:47] <DaSkreech> No It's just a useful tool
[08:47] <nixternal> dude..the zoom function for desktop organization...like what mac has...it awesome...ok..so maybe it isnt to much eye candy :)
[08:48] <DaSkreech> And as I said if you can write software that leverages the hardware so it's scalable with time then why not?
[08:48] <nixternal> http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease
[08:48] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Zoom is rubbish
[08:48] <nixternal> ^^ jjesse if you want to see it in action
[08:53] <jjesse> ah that cube of the icons works in aero glass for vista as well
[08:56] <DaSkreech> Yeah but compiz is much cooler :)
[08:58] <jjesse> can you have compiz without XGL and vice versa?
[08:59] <DaSkreech> Yes
[08:59] <jjesse> or are they part of the same thing?
[09:00] <DaSkreech> XGL==X.org Compiz ==kwin
[09:00] <jjesse> ah i c
[09:01] <jjesse> so is there a goal to have compiz in edgy?
[09:02] <DaSkreech> Not without the XGL/AIGLX
[09:02] <jjesse> so you need to have XGL in order to have compiz?
[09:03] <DaSkreech> No but it's pretty much metacity without it
[09:03] <DaSkreech> With a few shortcut keeys missing
[09:03] <DaSkreech> keys
[09:04] <jjesse> oh
[09:05] <DaSkreech> metacity is replicating some of the stuff in compiz so that after a while they should be neraly equivalent though I think that compiz might win in the end 
[09:05] <nixternal> i just found out my house in Maryland is getting beat up pretty badly from this storm on the east coast
[09:05] <nixternal> my x and daughter just called terrified
[09:05] <DaSkreech> Well go save em :)
[09:06] <nixternal> im in chicago...to far to go now
[09:06] <nixternal> my x thinks the bay is going to come up to the house..which would be impossible..she is exagerating how far up it is im sure..as the house sits upon a hill on the chessapeake bay
[09:07] <DaSkreech> How big a hil?
[09:07] <nixternal> however..she says it will need new roofing...glad to know though that the basement didn't get any water in it...which is what i worried about the most
[09:07] <jjesse> thats wierd, didn't realize there were storms in maryland
[09:07] <imbrandon> jpatrick, ping
[09:07] <nixternal> big enough that a 20' wave would be needed in order to reach the house...and that isn't happening in the chessapeake
[09:08] <nixternal> either did i jjesse unitl 5 minutes ago ;)
[09:08] <nixternal> i guess they are under a tropical storm/depression thing right now
[09:08] <nixternal> i knew nothing about it
[09:10] <jpatrick> imbrandon: ERROR: 404
[09:10] <imbrandon> heheh
[09:10] <imbrandon> no route to host right ...
[09:10] <imbrandon> here i got it all fixed up
[09:10] <jpatrick> no route to my brain
[09:10] <imbrandon> jpatrick, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/misc/kbfx/kbfx_0.4.9.2rc1/
[09:10] <imbrandon> lol
[09:11] <nixternal> imbrandon is that an upgraded version???
[09:11] <nixternal> updated rather
[09:11] <imbrandon> nixternal, basicly its a rewrite from upsteam
[09:11] <imbrandon> so lots
[09:11] <nixternal> cool
[09:11] <nixternal> i will have to check it out later
[09:12] <nixternal> i know i am agains the whole windows look for Linux..but i just might be able to sell that to a certain group near and dear to my heart ;)
[09:12] <jpatrick> imbrandon: maybe 0.4.8+cvs20060413+0.4.9.2rc1 should be the version
[09:12] <imbrandon> jpatrick, thats for edgy not dapper
[09:12] <jpatrick> cos dpkg thinks 0.4.9.2rc1 > 0.4.9.2
[09:13] <imbrandon> ahhh ok hmm ok lemme finagle it a bit on the versioning
[09:13] <imbrandon> brb
[09:16] <imbrandon> jpatrick, 0.4.9.02rc1 < 0.4.9.2  ?
[09:16] <imbrandon> hrm this stinks
[09:16] <jpatrick> imbrandon: dpkg --compare-versions 0.4.9.2rc1 lt 0.4.9.2 && echo "okay ladies"
[09:16] <jpatrick> outputs nothing
[09:17] <jpatrick> dpkg --compare-versions 0.4.8+cvs20060413+0.4.9.2rc1 lt 0.4.9.2 && echo "okay ladies", does tho
[09:17] <jpatrick> (credits of the above example go to allee)
[09:17] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:18] <imbrandon> yea but that version is confusing for a clean edgy , hmmm
[09:18] <nixternal> it will get a different version though when it gets comitted correct?
[09:19] <imbrandon> nixternal, no
[09:19] <imbrandon> it gets what you package it as
[09:19] <nixternal> what about the 1ubuntu0.1 version stuff?
[09:19] <imbrandon> thats maintained by the packager
[09:19] <nixternal> ya
[09:19] <nixternal> ok...
[09:19] <jpatrick> comes after upstream version
[09:20] <imbrandon> nixternal, <pkg>_<upstream>-<debian revision>ubuntu<ubntu build>
[09:21] <nixternal> interesting to know...i need to get all the versioning and packaging stuff down
[09:21] <nixternal> im used to stuff like name_of_file.xml ;)
[09:21] <jjesse> nixternal: does the packaging guide the doc team wrote help you out?
[09:21] <nixternal> it did for me jjesse
[09:22] <nixternal> as we are supposed to be updating that also correct?
[09:22] <imbrandon> pkg guide should explain that 
[09:22] <jjesse> does it answer the questions you are askng?
[09:22] <nixternal> that was the reason i followed along
[09:22] <jjesse> yes the guide should be kept up to date
[09:22] <nixternal> you know what...i don't know if it does answer the versioning questions
[09:22] <jjesse> i think laserjock does that, and i know he would welcome nay suggestions
[09:22] <jjesse> any
[09:22] <nixternal> i will have to look back over it
[09:23] <nixternal> SwitchFromWindows jjesse lets get on it ;)
[09:23] <jjesse> nixternal; a little busy at work :0
[09:23] <nixternal> hehe i know
[09:24] <uniq> i think the debian way to solve the rc versioning is using versions like 0.99+1.0rc2.
[09:25] <jpatrick> nixternal: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[09:25] <jpatrick> uniq: which is what I told him
[09:25] <imbrandon> jpatrick, what about ... dpkg --compare-versions 0.4.9.1+0.4.9.2rc lt 0.4.9.2 && echo "okay ladies" <<-- i think thats a better discription
[09:25] <imbrandon> jpatrick, what about ... dpkg --compare-versions 0.4.9.1+0.4.9.2rc1 lt 0.4.9.2 && echo "okay ladies" <<-- i think thats a better discription
[09:25] <jpatrick> that could work
[09:25] <imbrandon> kk
[09:26] <uniq> jpatrick: sorry,  didn't read back all the conversation :)
[09:26] <jpatrick> I'm going to eat, brb
[09:26] <imbrandon> kk
[09:26] <nixternal> i hope basic-scratch.html wasn't supposed to show me versioning...because it didn't do a good job
[09:27] <nixternal> nm the last
[09:27] <nixternal> ;)
[09:27] <crimsun> (note the "basic" string in the resource name ;)
[09:29] <nixternal> ya crimsun..but it might be to basic though..as it doesn't really explain anything more then <package_name><version>.tar.gz
.orig.tar.gz ;)
[09:30] <nixternal> forgot the orig...sorry
[09:30] <imbrandon> and the underscore
[09:31] <imbrandon> and it outputs <pgkname>-<upstream ver>/
[09:31] <nixternal> ya..put the underscore in the wrong area
[09:32] <nixternal> i was referring to it not showing the ubuntu packaging information...as in the .diff's and .deb's
[09:35] <imbrandon> jpatrick, when you get back , rebuilt and reuploaded http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/misc/kbfx/kbfx_0.4.9.2rc1/
[09:40] <jpatrick> imbrandon: is there no .diff.gz?
[09:41] <imbrandon> wasent one as there is no package in edgy right now, i can diff it against dapper version if you like'
[09:41] <uniq> the diff is agains the original source.
[09:42] <uniq> should be made automatically by dpkg-source
[09:42] <imbrandon> uniq, it was a new upstream ver ( that happen to be a rewrite ) so thats the orig.tar.gz
[09:43] <uniq> yes, but all debian/ubuntu changes should be present in the .diff.gz
[09:45] <uniq> put the orig.tar.gz in the dir you unpack it. and dpkg-source will make the diff for you.
[09:45] <imbrandon> uniq, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16650
[09:45] <imbrandon> arg
[09:45] <imbrandon> wait
[09:45] <imbrandon> i just did debuild not debuild -S -sa
[09:45] <imbrandon> thts why
[09:46] <uniq> hmm.. no, don't think that will make a difference.
[09:46] <imbrandon> hrm
[09:46] <imbrandon> yea it dosent
[09:46] <imbrandon> you see the pastebin
[09:47] <crimsun> what's the issue?
[09:47] <uniq> it's the name of the orig.tar.gz.
[09:48] <imbrandon> do i need to rename the gz and folder too to match the 0.4.9.1+0.4.9.2rc1 ?
[09:48] <uniq> imbrandon: mv kbfx_0.4.9.2rc1.orig.tar.gz kbfx_0.4.9.1+0.4.9.2rc1.orig.tar.gz 
[09:48] <imbrandon> k
[09:48] <uniq> yes.
[09:48] <uniq> that's it.
[09:48] <uniq> there is also:
[09:48] <uniq> dpkg-source: warning: source directory `./kbfx-0.4.9.2rc1' is not <sourcepackage>-<upstreamversion> `kbfx-0.4.9.1+0.4.9.2rc1'
[09:48] <uniq> dpkg-source: warning: .orig directory name kbfx-0.4.9.2rc1.orig is not <package>-<upstreamversion> (wanted kbfx-0.4.9.1+0.4.9.2rc1.orig)
[09:50] <crimsun> those can both be ignored
[09:50] <crimsun> what's important is that your orig.tar.gz match the base referenced in debian/changelog
[09:50] <imbrandon> ok fixed, and reuploading
[09:50] <uniq> only warnings, but it's good practice. :)
[09:50] <imbrandon> right right, i went ahead and fixed them all
[09:50] <imbrandon> reuploading now
[09:54] <imbrandon> ok uniq jpatrick refresh http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/misc/kbfx/kbfx_0.4.9.2rc1/
[09:55] <uniq> looking good.
[09:55] <jpatrick> imbrandon: this builds in edgy pbuilder?
[09:55] <uniq> now you can remove kbfx_0.4.9.1+0.4.9.2rc1-0ubuntu1.tar.gz for clearity. if you want. since it's just orig+diff.
[09:55] <imbrandon> edgy chroot
[09:57] <imbrandon> cool uniq but for the moment i'll leave it just for sake of ease ;)
[09:58] <imbrandon> brb afk
[10:02] <jpatrick> imbrandon: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-June/000226.html
[10:04] <imbrandon> w00t , thanks jpatrick
[10:05] <jpatrick> :)
[10:07] <imbrandon> i got a dumb question , might should ask this in a diffrent channel but how would i go about adding my @kubuntu.org address to my gpg key so i can sign packages with that instead
[10:08] <uniq> you can use kgpg and do it g with a GUI :)
[10:10] <imbrandon> ahh lol *bangs head on keyboard again*
[10:10] <imbrandon> thanks
[10:10] <imbrandon> lol
[10:10] <uniq> :)
[10:13] <verwilst_> damned forcedeth
[10:13] <verwilst_> dualbooting makes my nforce network card not work
[10:18] <verwilst_> dudes
[10:18] <verwilst_> how do i make something autostart in kde
[10:18] <verwilst_> but not show the bounce thing
[10:18] <verwilst_> yakuake should autostart
[10:20] <uniq> doesn't ~/.kde/Autostart work? 
[10:21] <verwilst_> well, the it shows the little bounce icon
[10:21] <verwilst_> unless you know what line to add to disable that?
[10:23] <uniq> you can start it with kstart.
[10:25] <uniq> kstart --skiptaskbar yakuake
[10:25] <uniq> does it bounce then? 
[11:14] <uniq> nite.
[11:14] <DaSkreech> nite
[11:30] <Lure> Riddell: trying to get build-dep for kdeutils 3.5.3 (from your dapper repo) and it fails on libsnmp5-dev
[11:52] <Riddell> Lure: use snmp9