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| mirek | may i ask for help? i am new to launchpad and i would like to add new serie of drupal cms | 01:59 |
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| mirek | (i added new release to old serie :-( ) | 01:59 |
| mirek | no roseta admin in here? | 02:02 |
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| AlexMBas | hello all | 03:00 |
| OgMaciel | can someone lend me a hand trying to solve a problem with Rosetta? | 03:00 |
| AlexMBas | we're having problems with % substition on strings | 03:02 |
| OgMaciel | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/scribus/+pots/scribus/pt_BR/+translate?batch=10&show=untranslated on string 99 for instance | 03:02 |
| AlexMBas | any rosetta developer around here ? | 03:03 |
| jamesh | my guess is that those strings have been incorrectly marked as C format strings in the PO template | 03:04 |
| OgMaciel | jamesh: true | 03:04 |
| OgMaciel | jamesh: is this something we'd have to fix it upstream? | 03:04 |
| AlexMBas | yeah | 03:04 |
| jamesh | Rosetta performs special checks to C format strings to make sure that the translations are compatible format strings | 03:05 |
| jamesh | (which isn't really desired if the string isn't a format string) | 03:05 |
| AlexMBas | jamesh, % followed by a space character should not be identified as a C format string, shound it ? | 03:05 |
| jamesh | the best fix would be to the scribus source code, telling xgettext that the string isn't a format string | 03:05 |
| OgMaciel | AlexMBas: lemme know the outcome? I'll be doing something else | 03:06 |
| AlexMBas | ok | 03:06 |
| AlexMBas | thanks OgMaciel | 03:06 |
| OgMaciel | AlexMBas: my pleasure buddy | 03:06 |
| AlexMBas | jamesh, who should do it on scribus source code ? | 03:07 |
| AlexMBas | we (translators) ? or should we open a bug report for the upstream package ? | 03:07 |
| jamesh | AlexMBas: probably the scribus developers -- if they add a comment like /* xgettext:no-c-format */ above the string, it will fix the problem for future po templates | 03:08 |
| AlexMBas | cool | 03:08 |
| AlexMBas | so I'll try to contact them | 03:08 |
| jamesh | I am not sure if we have a policy for unsetting c-format for existing data in Rosetta though (I don't work on that part of Launchpad) | 03:08 |
| AlexMBas | thank yoiu very much jamesh | 03:08 |
| AlexMBas | I'll try to contact the upstream development team | 03:09 |
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| jdong | is it OK to attach deb packages to bug reports? | 03:56 |
| jdong | bandwidth/storage wise | 03:56 |
| jdong | I don't want to be abusing launchpad's generous services | 03:57 |
| spiv | jdong: should be fine. | 03:57 |
| jdong | thanks! | 03:57 |
| spiv | Assuming it's not openoffice-sized ;) | 03:57 |
| jdong | Ubuntu Backports testers are gonna love you, spiv | 03:57 |
| jdong | no, I'm not gonna upload any beasts like that! | 03:58 |
| jdong | most of them are small packages, like rhythmbox or dia | 03:58 |
| jdong | :) | 03:58 |
| jdong | this will greatly improve our testing base | 03:58 |
| jdong | btw, I forgot to say this earlier, but thanks for making bzr hosting and knits work on launchpad :) | 04:03 |
| jdong | the automatix team loves you guys for that :) | 04:04 |
| spiv | Cool :) | 04:04 |
| jdong | these canonical projects are just nothing short of amazing | 04:06 |
| jdong | in about a year you guys have made a service that rivals Sourceforge | 04:06 |
| spiv | Hmm, they don't seem to be using team branches, I wonder if that's intentional. | 04:06 |
| jdong | https://launchpad.net/products/automatix/+branches | 04:06 |
| jdong | we've got 4 team-authored branches | 04:06 |
| jdong | they're still learning how to work the bzr system | 04:07 |
| spiv | Oh, I was looking at the "Official Automatix.KDE Head" one, which is under ~mstlyevil | 04:07 |
| spiv | But I see there are some in ~automatix after all. | 04:07 |
| spiv | Excellent :) | 04:08 |
| jamesh | spiv: that is a "authored by team, registered by user" branch | 04:08 |
| jamesh | so ends up in the user's namespace | 04:08 |
| spiv | jamesh: Well, it's the location it was pushed to that I was interested in. | 04:08 |
| spiv | jamesh: Mostly I was wondering if the ~<teamname> directories were discoverable enough that people would use them or not. It seems they are. | 04:11 |
| jdong | spiv: will launchpad eventually get some documentation on using hosted branches? | 04:11 |
| jdong | spiv: I only figured it out because I was browsing around with a SFTP client, and came across the team folders | 04:12 |
| jdong | then I asked ddaa in #bzr about it | 04:12 |
| jamesh | jdong: ddaa wrote a blog article about it (and will write a followup on team branches) | 04:13 |
| jdong | jamesh: I know that; but I don't think the average person exploring launchpad.net will figure that out | 04:13 |
| jdong | something on either the bazaar info page or the register branches, or even the +branches/ page would be cool | 04:14 |
| jamesh | jdong: yep. Perhaps we should get some docs up on help.launchpad.net about it. | 04:14 |
| spiv | jdong: https://launchpad.net/bazaar has a short overview | 04:17 |
| spiv | d'oh | 04:17 |
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| === Topic for #launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ | developer meeting: Thu 29 Jun, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
| === Topic (#launchpad): set by SteveA at Thu Jun 22 14:03:31 2006 | ||
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| stub | SteveA: I don't suppose you know what airlines might offer cheap flights between London->Vilnius, Vilnius->Paris, Prague->Bucharest and Prague->London? | 08:06 |
| jamesh | stub: I got an air baltic flight for london -> vilnius and back (the same flight Steve is taking) | 08:13 |
| stub | Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes time. Estimated downtime is 10 mins. | 08:18 |
| stub | This is for the regular code update. | 08:18 |
| stub | I've had to abort the update. Another attempt will be made later today. | 08:36 |
| jamesh | any particular problem? | 08:37 |
| fabbione | stub: what did explode? | 08:38 |
| stub | I need to rerun a data migration script as some bad data has crept back in. | 08:40 |
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| stub | Znarl, elmo: Gangotri app server will be down for the next few hours so ignore the alerts | 08:44 |
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| SteveA | stub: london to vilnius and vilnius to paris: try air baltic (as james said) and lithuanian airlines (dunno what they're called nowadays. all the formerly state-owned companies have recently rebranded themselves and no one knows who is who anymore) | 09:07 |
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| jamesh | lifeless: while working on my cscvs branch, I was looking at doing a test case for changing a file to a symlink in subversion, but it seems that subversion prevents you from doing that | 09:18 |
| lifeless | ahha. if you do a delete and add then of the same name, changing type ? | 09:18 |
| jamesh | that's what you need to do, yes. | 09:19 |
| jamesh | so we shouldn't see evil branches that trip up bzr in that respect | 09:20 |
| lifeless | wel, I'd like to be sure that that sequence wont trip up cscvs still - but its good to know that bzr can represent what svn does | 09:24 |
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| carlos_ | morning | 09:25 |
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| jamesh | lifeless: sure. I'll make sure that the file -> symlink replace (and reverse) is tested | 09:26 |
| stub | Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes for its regular code update. Estimated downtime is 10 minutes. | 09:36 |
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| jamesh | lifeless: I'm doing brad's at the moment. Thanks for the nag | 09:40 |
| SteveA | stub: ping | 09:42 |
| stub | SteveA: pong | 09:45 |
| lifeless | jamesh: thanks. | 09:45 |
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| jamesh | lifeless: I included some user agent stats in the analysis of the bazaar.launchpad.net logs. It looks like we only had ~ 10 people try to access it with bzr-0.7 over the 50 days | 09:50 |
| lifeless | good :) | 09:51 |
| jamesh | the logs should give a good indication of how people adopt new versions of bzr | 09:52 |
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| glatzor | hi lifeless. Is it possible to remove a branch from bazaar.launchpad.net? I accidentally pushed the wrong branch to lp and after canceling the transaction process my bazaar repo on lp broke. | 09:59 |
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| lifeless | glatzor: no. you can repair the content using lftp and bzrlib though | 10:03 |
| lifeless | jamesh: on pending-reviews, carols librarian sampledata branch shows as needs review, but AFAICT its always been in w-i-p.. any ideas ? | 10:03 |
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| carlos | stub: hmm, I just remember that I had to remember you the need to execute the migration script for my branch.... | 10:07 |
| glatzor | lifeless: could you please elaborate on this? | 10:07 |
| stub | carlos: I already had. Duplicates crept in during the migration though - however, I think I can work around it. | 10:08 |
| carlos | stub: yeah, but I guess someone was added after the initial migration | 10:09 |
| lifeless | glatzor: what do you mean | 10:09 |
| stub | carlos: I ran the script just before, and dupes crept in during the run. | 10:09 |
| glatzor | lifeless: I don't even know how to fix a local repo :) | 10:09 |
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| carlos | you can remove the restriction, start launchpad, run the migration script and add the restriction again | 10:10 |
| lifeless | glatzor: well, give some details about what is wrong | 10:10 |
| stub | carlos: Not really, but I can work around it similarly. | 10:10 |
| carlos | ok | 10:10 |
| stub | Not that it matters, we have had to revert to last weeks release anyway due to other problems. | 10:11 |
| glatzor | lifeless: https://launchpad.net/people/glatzor/+branch/gnome-app-install/sebi | 10:11 |
| glatzor | I get the same error message if I try to push | 10:11 |
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| glatzor | lifeless: do you need more to know? | 10:19 |
| lifeless | lftp to the branch url | 10:20 |
| lifeless | remove the directory .bzr/branch | 10:20 |
| jamesh | lifeless: I think the problem is the first item in Andrew's queue | 10:20 |
| lifeless | and push again | 10:20 |
| lifeless | removed it | 10:21 |
| lifeless | can you run the script ? | 10:21 |
| glatzor | lifeless: one little question: how can I connect using lftp? | 10:27 |
| lifeless | ftp URL | 10:27 |
| lifeless | erm | 10:27 |
| lifeless | lftp URL | 10:27 |
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| === Topic (#launchpad): set by SteveA at Thu Jun 22 14:03:31 2006 | ||
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| bradb | stub: around? | 10:44 |
| stub | bradb: yes | 10:44 |
| bradb | stub: How hard would it be to get a query of all Ticket.title vs. the first line (i.e. up to ".") of Ticket.description? | 10:46 |
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| stub | first line != up to ".". But not hard. | 10:47 |
| stub | You want up to \n or up to . ? | 10:47 |
| bradb | up to ".", if possible | 10:48 |
| bradb | I should have said first sentence. | 10:48 |
| stub | ok. | 10:49 |
| stub | Gimme a tick | 10:49 |
| lifeless | . turns up in abbreviations ;) | 10:49 |
| bradb | stub: no prob, thanks | 10:49 |
| stub | bradb: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileVl8aBh.html | 10:59 |
| stub | bradb: That ok for your needs or do you need it csv or something? | 10:59 |
| bradb | stub: that's great, thanks! | 11:00 |
| SteveA | jamesh: ping | 11:14 |
| jamesh | SteveA: pong | 11:14 |
| jamesh | bradb: btw, you have a branch that has been sitting as merge-conditional for 48 days (bradb/launchpad/malone-smallfixes). Is there anything holding up merging it? | 11:24 |
| bradb | jamesh: Some potentially controversial changes to filebug pages. I'll try to merge it as soon as I get coding time again. | 11:29 |
| jamesh | okay. Just checking to see if it had been forgotten | 11:29 |
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| salgado | anybody up for some quick code review? | 12:06 |
| ddaa | lifeless: ping | 12:19 |
| ddaa | lifeless: please run reconcile on vostok, kthxbye | 12:19 |
| lifeless | ddaa: its in my todo, thanks. | 12:23 |
| carlos | I'm going to increase the timeout value for staging. It will be restored tomorrow | 12:25 |
| carlos | I need it to debug a problem there | 12:25 |
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| carlos | see you later! | 12:34 |
| lifeless | stub: are you around ? | 12:35 |
| stub | lifeless: yes | 12:35 |
| lifeless | I just maied you about rolling out dyson | 12:36 |
| lifeless | I thought I would prod you incase your mai was not open ;) | 12:36 |
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| lifeless | ddaa: around ? | 12:49 |
| ddaa | yup | 12:49 |
| ddaa | reading BranchRevision stuff right now | 12:49 |
| ddaa | lifeless: that's what you wanted to talk to me about, right? | 12:50 |
| lifeless | the +source page requires that cvs/svn details are put in. | 12:50 |
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| lifeless | this seems buggy to me, as some products release wihtout any cvs/svn repository. | 12:50 |
| ddaa | the +source page is broken on so many levels it's not funny | 12:50 |
| lifeless | so I'd like us to put back in place the 'no vcs' option that was there before. | 12:50 |
| ddaa | I thought it was still there | 12:51 |
| lifeless | nope. | 12:51 |
| ddaa | ... | 12:51 |
| lifeless | also, do you know who has privilege to change the ftp details in +source (without changing the cvs/svn details) | 12:52 |
| ddaa | no clue, I'd bet nobody | 12:53 |
| ddaa | this page is just plain broken | 12:53 |
| ddaa | nothing it does makes sense | 12:53 |
| lifeless | I think that is overly harsh. | 12:54 |
| lifeless | do you think the release-tarball-pattern details belong on the same page as SVN details ? | 12:54 |
| ddaa | IMO SVN details and the like do not belong in product series to start with | 12:55 |
| ddaa | but release-tarball stuff does, since it's about the release series | 12:55 |
| lifeless | I'm avoiding that discussion right now. It is a diversion from the discussion I want to have. | 12:55 |
| ddaa | It's the only honest reply I have to answer your question. | 12:56 |
| ddaa | Since SVN/CVS stuff should not be in product series, and tarball details is definitely a product series thing, they should not be on the same page. | 12:56 |
| ddaa | However, as long as they are both in product series, it might make sense to keep them on the same page for convenience | 12:56 |
| lifeless | well the problem is | 12:58 |
| lifeless | that once the CVS/SVN is certified as 'good', they cannot edit the tarball release details anymore | 12:58 |
| lifeless | we can either make the check for permission more fine grained - check fields on that form, or split it out to a separate form. | 12:59 |
| lifeless | I'll draft a spec, get you and mpt and keybuk to eyeball it. | 01:00 |
| ddaa | I'd rather have it in a separate form, as it's heading in the direction of separating vcs-imports from product series | 01:00 |
| lifeless | its not about that, really. | 01:00 |
| lifeless | but as we agree on different form, thats fine. | 01:00 |
| ddaa | I understand it, but it's still heading in the right direction, regardless of the motivation | 01:01 |
| lifeless | food time, tchau | 01:01 |
| ddaa | what about source package association? | 01:01 |
| lifeless | I dont know what that means | 01:01 |
| ddaa | https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/46240 | 01:01 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 46240 in launchpad-bazaar "posting $series/+source yields a confusing warning" [High,Confirmed] | 01:01 |
| lifeless | do you mean 'http://launchpad.dev/products/test/trunk/+ubuntupkg' | 01:02 |
| ddaa | about everybody that tries to set up a vcs import gets this warning, and believe that the vcs details were not recorded | 01:02 |
| ddaa | I have no opinion on whether the source package form should be separate from the release tarball form, but it should definitely be separate from the vcs import form. | 01:03 |
| lifeless | I think there is already a separate form is my point | 01:06 |
| lifeless | you will need to look at the view class and template, but I think that +ubuntupkg and the source package field on the +source form are functionally equivalent. | 01:06 |
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| ddaa | lifeless: I would like if you could get somebody to look at it | 01:07 |
| yvesC | Hi | 01:08 |
| yvesC | which package is supposed contains tuxpaint locale for french ? | 01:08 |
| ddaa | I can and will look at things like complete-branch-revision, but anything else that's a distraction from fixing vcs imports is out of scope for me until I can tell sabdfl I'm happy with how svn imports are doing. | 01:09 |
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| lifeless | dda1: so what do you think of complete-branch-revision | 03:35 |
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| dda1 | lifeless: generally, I'm okay with it. I had some discussion monday with Kinnison about the caveats and how client code (soyuz) need to deal with revisions going away from branches. | 04:30 |
| dda1 | s/monday/sunday/ | 04:31 |
| lifeless | right. soyuz wont link to BranchRevision, I have a todo to update the record branch revision sec to reflect this change. | 04:32 |
| lifeless | BranchRevision will become just a cache | 04:32 |
| dda1 | I think the use case here is to record a revision and be able to tell which branch this revision can be retrieved from. | 04:33 |
| ddaa | recording the revision can be done either by a foreign key to Revision.id or by a textual revision_id | 04:34 |
| lifeless | not really | 04:34 |
| lifeless | there are several different use cases. | 04:35 |
| lifeless | for instance, one record branch revision use case is to allow connecting the dots between source packages and products. | 04:35 |
| ddaa | the big caveat is that we cannot guarantee that a revision that was in the ancestry of a branch at a time will always be. | 04:35 |
| lifeless | I know | 04:35 |
| SteveA | sabdf1: reply to review sent. r=me | 04:36 |
| ddaa | lifeless: I thought you knew, but Kinnison wanted to be sure that you were reminded :) | 04:36 |
| ddaa | "connecting the dots between source packages and products", that does not appear to require complete-branch-revision in realistic non-ambiguous cases. Having the full graph would be useful for best-effort in finding the "closest" (FSVO) relative of a branch, but that may be more that we what we would need. | 04:40 |
| ddaa | I mean, finding the closest relative for ambiguous use cases. | 04:40 |
| ddaa | s/use case/scenario/ | 04:40 |
| lifeless | I gave you a single use case. | 04:40 |
| ddaa | forgive my confused terminology, my workplace is not as quiet as it is usually | 04:41 |
| lifeless | particularly, I gave you one that is also relevant for the record-source-package-release-branch=-reversion spec | 04:41 |
| ddaa | ? | 04:41 |
| lifeless | but there are a number of operations we have planned to do in the past like: | 04:41 |
| ddaa | ETOOMANYDASHES | 04:41 |
| lifeless | * where has this revision been merged? | 04:42 |
| lifeless | * which of these [set] of branches is the one with the most recent code? | 04:42 |
| lifeless | * can I have a pony? | 04:42 |
| lifeless | that all need different queries through the graph : so having the graph cheaply available for a branch or set of branches, and the reverse graph too, is important. | 04:43 |
| elmo | lifeless: no | 04:43 |
| ddaa | lifeless: okay, I already have one for tomlord on my shopping list, should I add you as well? | 04:43 |
| lifeless | elmo: ? | 04:43 |
| elmo | lifeless: you can't have a pony | 04:43 |
| lifeless | elmo: why would you say no to me! | 04:43 |
| elmo | lifeless: to make you cry? | 04:43 |
| lifeless | I'm nice. And I'm no longer SOOO fat that I would break its back | 04:43 |
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| ddaa | what do you mean by "reverse graph"? | 04:44 |
| ddaa | lifeless: we gotta play some mao in Vilnius with a pony rule | 04:44 |
| lifeless | ddaa: the relationship of revisions to branches, rather than branches to revisions. | 04:45 |
| ddaa | lifeless: generally, i think that "get all revisions in the ancestry of a branch" and "get all branches that have a revision in their ancestry" is useful for a variety of nice bling. | 04:46 |
| ddaa | I voiced my specific performance concerns on the mailing list. | 04:46 |
| lifeless | right, which I think is already addressed. | 04:47 |
| lifeless | AIUI it the constraint will be fine. | 04:47 |
| lifeless | and I've already discussed performance with stub | 04:47 |
| ddaa | the performance of the specific query I gave is important | 04:47 |
| lifeless | well, create a table with 1 billion rows and test it :) | 04:48 |
| ddaa | as pages that give detailed branch listing are already soft-timing-out sometimes. | 04:48 |
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| lifeless | what is the detailed branch listing page - do you have a sample url ? | 04:48 |
| ddaa | https://launchpad.net/products/bzr/+branchlisting | 04:48 |
| ddaa | the issue is generating the "1704 revisions, 0 in the past month." bits | 04:49 |
| lifeless | you do that through two queries right ? | 04:49 |
| ddaa | ATM two queries per branch | 04:49 |
| ddaa | the query in the post would allow doing one query for the whole page | 04:50 |
| lifeless | right | 04:50 |
| ddaa | it still needs to be reasonably cheap | 04:50 |
| ddaa | it might be possible that indexes can prevent non-mainline revisions from slowing it down | 04:51 |
| ddaa | I just do not know | 04:51 |
| sabdf1 | SteveA: thanks, will land when i get back from dublin, it's fine for this to roll out next week | 04:51 |
| ddaa | The alternative is putting caches in Branch, that are updated by the branch-scanner or another script, but that's increased complexity in code not directly related to display that I would rather avoid | 04:51 |
| lifeless | ddaa: the ratio is typically 3:1 | 04:52 |
| lifeless | ddaa: i.e. under an order of magnitude - if we are going to have a problem, we'll have it anyway. | 04:52 |
| ddaa | anyhomw | 04:52 |
| carlos | salgado: please, could you ping kiko? | 04:53 |
| ddaa | I'm happy with that spec, esp. since you said that the branch scanner optimisation patch is already in the pipej | 04:53 |
| carlos | salgado: I need to talk with him about a change he did | 04:53 |
| carlos | hmm salgado: or at least ask him to read his email tonight, I think he did a change that would kill our performance on production | 04:54 |
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| ddaa | there would still be a hole with ghost filling, but it's not a big issue, and there would be ways to deal with it (e.g. compare size of ghost-unaware ancestry with what the db says once a day) | 04:56 |
| lifeless | steve and I have been talking about he branch scanner somewhat too | 04:57 |
| ddaa | mh | 04:57 |
| ddaa | just thought of an interesting corner case | 04:57 |
| lifeless | it should be possible to generate a very fast scanner - I'm doing a spec up for consideration now | 04:57 |
| ddaa | the database can know more of the ancestry than the branch | 04:58 |
| lifeless | sure | 04:58 |
| ddaa | so it might be useful to have branchrevision actually tell that a branch actually has revisions in its ancestry, although they are ghosts. In particular when there will be branch horizon (which expect to happen eventually). | 05:00 |
| lifeless | Lets not preengineer that | 05:00 |
| ddaa | sure | 05:00 |
| lifeless | we can add that later at minimal cost. | 05:00 |
| ddaa | We just need to make sure ATM that the branch scanner can deal with revisions turning into ghosts | 05:01 |
| ddaa | so we can guarantee branchrevision tells us that a revision _can_ be checked out from a branch | 05:01 |
| ddaa | and not break referential integrity when revisions start turning into ghosts | 05:02 |
| SteveA | lifeless: ready for that talk whenever | 05:04 |
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| salgado | carlos, pinging him now | 05:17 |
| carlos | salgado: I sent the email already | 05:17 |
| carlos | so is enough if he's able to read it today | 05:17 |
| carlos | salgado: but thanks | 05:18 |
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| kiko | hey carlos | 05:39 |
| kiko | go ahead, that was crazy. | 05:39 |
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| carlos | kiko: hi | 05:43 |
| carlos | yeah, I saw your answer | 05:43 |
| kiko | cool | 05:43 |
| carlos | kiko: do you think we have any way to do 'make check' on staging to detect this kind of performance problems? | 05:43 |
| kiko | well | 05:44 |
| kiko | we could measure times it took to render certain pages | 05:44 |
| kiko | and then look at that over time. | 05:44 |
| kiko | I assume there's something that does that already though... | 05:44 |
| carlos | yeah, but that will not prevent this kind of changes to land on production... | 05:45 |
| carlos | we lack the QA part on staging | 05:45 |
| carlos | because I think that change was scheduled to land today | 05:45 |
| kiko | carlos, was it going to land today? | 05:46 |
| kiko | and didn't it? | 05:46 |
| carlos | kiko: I'm not completely sure, but it landed before friday night and stub has been rolling out all changes until friday night | 05:47 |
| carlos | kiko: the rollout was cancelled | 05:47 |
| kiko | ah. really? why? | 05:47 |
| carlos | stub had some problems | 05:47 |
| carlos | I think with the virtual hosting thing | 05:48 |
| carlos | from Stub's words | 05:48 |
| SteveA | yeah, missing config item for production | 05:48 |
| carlos | Due to bugs in the recent publisher updates that cause Launchpad to just | 05:48 |
| carlos | return 500 errors | 05:48 |
| kiko | I see. | 05:48 |
| kiko | well, land the reversal and then notify stub of it. | 05:49 |
| carlos | ok | 05:49 |
| kiko | great that you caught it on staging | 05:49 |
| SteveA | combined with an early version of the vhosting code | 05:49 |
| SteveA | that doesn't cope well with that | 05:49 |
| carlos | kiko: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileL85TI6.html | 05:53 |
| carlos | kiko: r=kiko ? | 05:53 |
| kiko | carlos, yeah. though I would say in the comment that a) ret could have many results and b) the batching system will slice the results afterwards | 05:55 |
| kiko | anyway, r=kiko | 05:55 |
| carlos | kiko: hmm I tried to note that already ;-) | 05:55 |
| carlos | but I guess if you request it I didn't clarify it enough | 05:55 |
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| Ro1 | hi all | 06:01 |
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| kiko | carlos, it's fine, don't worry. | 06:01 |
| carlos | ok | 06:01 |
| lifeless | kiko - how does launhcpad make sure that security bugs are not visible to other people than the security contact? | 06:14 |
| lifeless | kiko: or does it let it be visible, but hide access to the contents ? | 06:14 |
| kiko | lifeless, private bugs are only visible to subscribers. | 06:14 |
| kiko | that's the principle | 06:14 |
| kiko | security contacts are subscribed to new security bugs | 06:14 |
| kiko | that's how they can see them | 06:15 |
| lifeless | ok. *how* | 06:15 |
| kiko | sorry? | 06:15 |
| lifeless | what words do I use to talk about this bit of zope machinery? | 06:15 |
| kiko | oh. | 06:15 |
| kiko | security.py mostly | 06:15 |
| kiko | it defines who can see a bug | 06:16 |
| kiko | combined with the zcml. | 06:16 |
| lifeless | and this magically applies to stuff returned from sqlobject? | 06:16 |
| lifeless | or only at the gap between content and view class ? | 06:16 |
| kiko | the latter. | 06:16 |
| lifeless | so e.g. the view class needs to strip out returned elements from a list that are not meant to be visible, or it will get prmission errors ? | 06:17 |
| kiko | BugTaskSet.search() only returns visible items. | 06:18 |
| lifeless | ok. | 06:18 |
| kiko | so the answer is yes | 06:18 |
| kiko | if you query and get back an item that you are not supposed to display and try to display it | 06:18 |
| lifeless | and if it returned incorrect things by mistake the worst possible condition is 'PermissionDenied' | 06:18 |
| kiko | it will die | 06:18 |
| lifeless | cool. | 06:18 |
| lifeless | thanks | 06:18 |
| kiko | right. | 06:18 |
| kiko | exactly. | 06:18 |
| lifeless | I'm working up a related spec | 06:19 |
| lifeless | and wanted to know enough to get myself into trouble. | 06:19 |
| kiko | sure | 06:19 |
| lifeless | so AuthorizationBase is subclassed, and the usedfor field gives the permission instance a context to find out data from, and a user requesting access | 06:20 |
| kiko | yep | 06:20 |
| lifeless | thanks, you have been a great help. | 06:21 |
| lifeless | probably will still be a bit sketchy as I haven't checked the zcml side of it yet | 06:21 |
| kiko | with zcml | 06:21 |
| kiko | you define what attributes are visible/editable with what permissions. | 06:21 |
| kiko | that's generally it | 06:21 |
| kiko | see bug.zcml for details | 06:21 |
| lifeless | the <!-- Bug --> bit ? | 06:23 |
| kiko | lifeless, the attributes and set_attributes bits on the bug context object. | 06:34 |
| lifeless | thanks | 06:36 |
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| Kamion | Hello. Is there any way to delete the registration of a bzr branch in Launchpad? | 06:39 |
| LarstiQ | not without admin help I believe. | 06:40 |
| Kamion | I was hoping I might be able to work around the fact that I can't convert from an external branch to a hosted branch | 06:41 |
| Kamion | because I'd like to keep using the 'ubuntu' name for branches representing current Ubuntu packages, but that name's already taken by external branches for many of my packages | 06:41 |
| Kamion | https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/5575 says "the whole system is designed so that branches are easy to rename" but I cannot find how to rename a branch | 06:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 5575 in launchpad-bazaar "Do we really have to name our branches in Launchpad?" [High,Confirmed] | 06:43 |
| ddaa | Kamion: in theory you should be able to do it from the +edit or +admin form | 06:43 |
| ddaa | not sure if the perms are set right, though | 06:43 |
| Kamion | +edit doesn't have it | 06:44 |
| ddaa | bug 5575 is about something else, which I started addressing in a ui branch (that's on PendingReviews) but that I never got the time to finesh. | 06:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 5575 in launchpad-bazaar "Do we really have to name our branches in Launchpad?" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/5575 | 06:44 |
| Kamion | +admin is forbidden | 06:44 |
| ddaa | okay, that's a bug | 06:50 |
| Kamion | ddaa: do you have any idea what my right answer would be here? I'm trying to convert to the distro procedure in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto | 06:50 |
| carlos | Kamion: +admin is usually reserved for launchpad admins and 'experts' (admins with less rights) | 06:50 |
| Kamion | ah, ok | 06:50 |
| ddaa | branch/+admin should be allowed to the branch owner | 06:50 |
| Kamion | want a bug? | 06:50 |
| ddaa | admins and experts get the right to fuck with other people branches | 06:50 |
| carlos | ddaa: who else has access to +edit ? | 06:50 |
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| ddaa | carlos: +edit and +admin for branch should have the same access | 06:51 |
| ddaa | I think ATM +edit is owner-or-admin | 06:51 |
| ddaa | but it makes sense to keep them separated, since +admin allows editing things that changes the URL the branch | 06:51 |
| carlos | what's the point of having two pages for the same people? | 06:51 |
| carlos | oh, I see | 06:52 |
| ddaa | and the pages where the branch appear on launchpad, etc | 06:52 |
| ddaa | it allows moderately antisocial changes | 06:52 |
| carlos | I'm not completely sure whether is the best option. I think most of launchpad uses +admin for non owner tasks (or at least Rosetta does it) | 06:52 |
| Kamion | bug 51130 | 06:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 51130 in launchpad-bazaar "cannot use +admin on a branch I own" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/51130 | 06:53 |
| lifeless | ddaa: +admin should be admins only. | 06:54 |
| lifeless | ddaa: +edit should ahve the functionality the branch owner needs. | 06:54 |
| ddaa | I'm keen on keeping the features to change the branch owner/product/name separate from the form normally used to change the branch sumary, external URL, etc. | 06:55 |
| lifeless | ddaa: its a good idea to not give people hints to URLs that they will rarely have access to, and using +admin on branch does that. | 06:55 |
| lifeless | thats fine, I support that. | 06:55 |
| ddaa | lifeless: is there another standard name for "form allowed to the owner to change dangerous things?" | 06:55 |
| ddaa | I'm happy to call it +crocodile if nobody has a problem with that | 06:56 |
| lifeless | ddaa: the reset of lp does not differentiate this AFAIK | 06:56 |
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| lifeless | salgado: your karmacontext sql needs some comments to pass DBA review - altrting you early | 06:57 |
| lifeless | salgado: see TranslationUploads for an example | 06:58 |
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| carlos_ | see you later | 06:59 |
| ddaa | actually, I think branch/+spork would be a better name | 07:02 |
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| ddaa | Kamion: in the meantime, you can ask an admin to make the change for you | 07:03 |
| ddaa | changing the branch name will break nothing | 07:04 |
| Kamion | hmm, there are a lot of them; is anyone willing to rename ~30 branches for me? | 07:05 |
| ddaa | Kamion: note that, as a convention, we like vcs-imports to be named the same as their series | 07:06 |
| Kamion | ok, I don't need to rename any imports though | 07:07 |
| ddaa | lifeless: can you accomodate Kamion? | 07:08 |
| salgado | lifeless, thanks for alerting me. we're still working on that | 07:15 |
| salgado | lifeless, anyway, is it just some comments on the new columns? | 07:16 |
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| lifeless-lithuan | Kamion: what do you need done ? | 07:53 |
| kiko | lifeless-lithuan, lifeless-lt perhaps? | 08:05 |
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| Keybuk | cprov, Kinnison: I have another example of the uploader failing an upload that should have been approved | 08:34 |
| Keybuk | do you want it? | 08:34 |
| cprov | Keybuk: yes, anywhere in chinstrap would be fine | 08:34 |
| Keybuk | would drescher not be fine? :p | 08:34 |
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| Keybuk | cprov: chinstrap:~scott/upload-20060627-102715-005864/ | 08:36 |
| Keybuk | note that the changes and dsc are both signed by the key that is associated with that user in launchpad | 08:37 |
| Keybuk | and that he is a member of the right team | 08:37 |
| crimsun | cprov: / Keybuk: to note, I recently (two days ago) bumped forward the expiration date on that key and reuploaded it to wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net. | 08:37 |
| cprov | Keybuk: wait, this is all about a previously expired key ? | 08:38 |
| Keybuk | ah | 08:39 |
| Keybuk | crimsun: it's not showing up as not-expired for me | 08:39 |
| Keybuk | or, it's showing up as expired | 08:40 |
| Keybuk | gpg: requesting key C88ABDA3 from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net | 08:41 |
| Keybuk | gpg: key C88ABDA3: "Daniel T. Chen (new) <crimsun@fungus.sh.nu>" not changed | 08:41 |
| Keybuk | pub 1024D/C88ABDA3 2003-06-23 [expired: 2006-06-27] | 08:41 |
| crimsun | so the newer key simply hasn't synced yet | 08:41 |
| Keybuk | crimsun: hasn't sync'd anywhere yet | 08:41 |
| Keybuk | cprov: sorry to bother you | 08:41 |
| cprov | Keybuk: np, anytime | 08:42 |
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| lifeless-lithuan | kiko: lifeless-lt would syggest less than lifeless | 09:14 |
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| cntb | hi anyone? | 09:59 |
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| kbrooks | Is there a bug open related to the CoC? | 10:30 |
| matsubara | kbrooks: could you be more specific? | 10:34 |
| kbrooks | never mind/ | 10:34 |
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| cguima | boa noite | 11:36 |
| cguima | algum me pode dar uma informao? | 11:38 |
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| matsubara | cguima: sim eu posso, mas este um canal em ingls. | 11:40 |
| cguima | devo ento escrever em ingls? | 11:40 |
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| matsubara | cguima: melhor. voc tem mais chances de ter sua pergunta respondida | 11:41 |
| cguima | obrigada | 11:42 |
| cguima | my problem is with the wireless | 11:42 |
| cguima | i want to work with linux | 11:43 |
| cguima | but i can't work with my wireless device | 11:43 |
| matsubara | cguima: try asking on #ubuntu or #ubuntu-br | 11:44 |
| cguima | do you know where to find drivers | 11:44 |
| cguima | ok, thanks | 11:44 |
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