[12:36] <ompaul> any idea where the fonts for the ubuntu logo are?
[12:40] <LaserJock> there is a package you can install, but I can't remember the exact name
[02:31] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title
[02:31] <LaserJock> ah
[02:32] <nixternal> to late for ompaul though
[04:14] <jsgotangco> jjesse: the kubuntu laptop testing makes sense though, the problem is who will be focusing on things that won't work. KDE does some funky stuff that GNOME does differently and currently, most function keys fixed in Ubuntu only work with GNOME
[04:14] <jsgotangco> but some work like in toshiba sets, while KDE does things differently with Thinkpads and VAIOs
[04:14] <jsgotangco> would be interesting to see the difference though
[04:16] <jjesse> jsgotangco: i agree, i don't know who would be heading it, i'm just trying to bring attention to it
[04:17] <jsgotangco> its worth pursuing though
[04:17] <jjesse> i'm glad you think so
[04:17] <jsgotangco> but we can't expect mjg59 supporting it
[04:17] <jjesse> he heads up the laptop team?
[04:18] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:18] <jsgotangco> its a gnome ballgame at the moment
[04:18] <jjesse> agreed
[04:18] <jjesse> though i thought i heard some discussion in regards to splitting up the release schedule?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> but it has been wildly successful
[04:19] <jsgotangco> ubuntu/kubuntu?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> dunno
[04:19] <jjesse> yeah splitting kubuntu into a seperate release schedule
[04:19] <jsgotangco> better ask Riddell, most of the kubuntu BOFs werent even published on the BoFicator of LP
[04:19] <jsgotangco> wasn't able to attend one even
[04:20] <jjesse> i will, i did notice that, i wonder if there wasn't enough intrest?
[04:20] <jsgotangco> no that's not it, i dunno, KDE had a lot of people in the summit
[04:21] <jsgotangco> we even had to loan ellen on some BoFs because she's the usability expert
[04:22] <jjesse> i noticed that, which is great, i'm big fan of adept usability
[04:50] <robotgeek> i'm trying to clean the page wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu
[04:50] <jjesse> yay
[04:51] <robotgeek> looks like i'm going to move all the developers stuff into its own subpage
[04:51] <jjesse> cool
[05:08] <robotgeek> okay, first cleanup is done. i think i'll spend some cleanup on main help site
[05:36] <robotgeek> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UKUbuntuPresentation -> Delete?
[05:38] <nixternal> i wouldn't...that seems to be part of some UK team that just started recently
[05:38] <robotgeek> why is it on help.ubuntu.com? its not documentation :)
[05:38] <nixternal> true..did they created that after the move?
[05:39] <nixternal> no...that was created 7 days ago..it hasn't been that long already has it?
[05:39] <nixternal> no..that was just created 7 days ago...
[05:39] <robotgeek> nope, maybe move it to wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[05:40] <nixternal> i don't know why it is CatDoc though
[05:40] <robotgeek> maybe it got moved by mistake
[05:40] <nixternal> thats what I would do, unless someone stepped forward and said no
[05:40] <nixternal> actually..i think it was created right there after the move from the look sof it
[05:41] <nixternal> if you create a CatDoc on w.u.c it doesn't automatically get moved over correct?
[05:41] <nixternal> there is a redirect on w.u.c for that page too
[05:41] <robotgeek> anyways, i think i'll maintain a pagelist, and we can nuke them later on
[05:42] <Madpilot> nixternal, no, stuff added to CatDoc on wiki.u.c doesn't get moved automagically - that was a one-time deal
[05:42] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:42] <nixternal> i knew someone would come to and set me straight ;)
[05:42] <nixternal> so...was that page added after the move, or transfered due to the move?
[05:43] <nixternal> well hello there bhuvan
[05:43] <bhuvan> hello
[05:45] <Madpilot> nixternal, looks like it was created after the move
[05:45] <nixternal> ok..thats what i thought...just couldn't remember the actual date that went live
[09:40] <jenda> I need quick hints
[09:41] <jenda> What is wrong with ubuntuguide.org, doc.gwos.org, easylinux.info?
[09:41] <jenda> I don't recommend them, but I need good arguments to back me up within my LoCo :)
[09:41] <jenda> Hello Madpilot.
[09:41] <Madpilot> ubuntuguide.org is grossly out of date, or was last time I bothered looking at it
[09:41] <jenda> Well, it's written for Dapper.
[09:41] <Madpilot> doc.gwos.org has some good stuff, but it's not really complete
[09:42] <Madpilot> that easylinux one looks a bit like an updated ubuntuguide
[09:42] <jenda> it is.
[09:42] <Madpilot> it's got the same problem ug.org does - no explanations, it's all just cookbook stuff
[09:43] <rob> ubuntuguide.org is responsible for breaking many systems, its up there with automatix IMO
[09:43] <jenda> to me, it looks as if every single one was a huge waste of manpower.
[09:43] <jenda> rob: that bad?
[09:43] <rob> yep
[09:43] <Madpilot> jenda, yeah, that too
[09:43] <rob> the desktop guide was actually originally based on it, but turned into something a heck more reliablel
[09:44] <rob> slip of the finger there :)
[09:44] <jenda> OK
[09:45] <rob> for Breezy at least on help.ubuntu.com there was a one page version of the desktop guide (which would be similar in format at least), not sure if that was kept for Dapper
[09:45] <Madpilot> don't think it was
[09:47] <jenda> Nope - but I'd like to see it again. IT's great for Ctrl+F in firefox.
[09:47] <rob> yep
[09:47] <Madpilot> bug mdke at some point - a one-long-file version of the HTML could probably be generated
[09:47] <rob> yeah, pretty easily
[09:47] <jenda> yes, I will bug him.
[09:48] <Madpilot> I helped write the Ubuntu Desktop Guide, but I leave the actual generation/creation up to Matt :)
[09:49] <rob> iirc its just a matter of passing the right option when generating the html
[10:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> when does the DocteamProjects page change to reflect edgy docs status? 
[10:34] (Madpilot/#ubuntu-doc) Kamping_Kaiser, hmm, it should probably do that soon :)
[10:34] (Kamping_Kaiser/#ubuntu-doc) cool :) 
[10:34] (Madpilot/#ubuntu-doc) fire a message to the mailing list if it doesn't happen by the end of this week
[11:08] <jenda> https://help.ubuntu.com/
[11:08] <jenda> It would be nice if it were possible to access the other languages from there.
[11:10] <jenda> damn - it's almost impossible to find the desktop guide.
[11:10] <jenda> (in czech)
[11:10] <jsgotangco> yes it does make sense
[11:11] <jenda> can you help me find the guide? I need the link...
[11:11] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:11] <jsgotangco> hold on
[11:12] <jsgotangco> what is czech?
[11:12] <jsgotangco> cz?
[11:12] <jenda> got it.
[11:12] <jenda> cs
[11:12] <jenda> you just substitute the C in the url
[11:12] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:12] <jsgotangco> C is the default for GNOME
[11:13] <jenda> OK
[01:25] <kbrooks> Hello
[01:25] <kbrooks> https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/gnome-app-install.html
[01:25] <kbrooks> Line quoted: "
[01:25] <kbrooks> Some applications and packages are not available to install using Add/Remove Applications. If you cannot find the package you are looking for, click Advanced which will open the Synaptic package manager (see below)."
[01:26] <kbrooks> Below? Shouldn't that mean Next?
[01:38] <jenda> hello kbrooks, you should probably ping whoever is in charge of that.
[01:39] <jenda> Or, sending an email to <ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com> might be a good idea too.
[02:51] <mdke> jenda: help.ubuntu.com uses the default language in the browser
[02:52] <mdke> kbrooks: I think "below" is ok.
[02:52] <jenda> mdke: that's nice... but doesn't solve much. I prefer english opera, but sometimes need the czech guide to link folks to - am the only one? ;)
[02:53] <jenda> I really think there should be a language-crossroads or something like that.
[02:57] <mdke> jenda: no, I don't think you are the only one. We can think about adding a link, but I'm not sure how we'd do it effectively
[02:58] <mdke> jenda: in general local language documentation should be provided on the locoteam site, I think
[02:58] <jenda> well, I'm working on that for my own loco team... but can't do it globally.
[02:58] <mdke> sure
[02:59] <nixternal> mdke: it seems the only major request from the Kubuntu-devel meeting yesterday was...are you read?   Kubuntu theme for h.u.c and a redirect for help.kubuntu.com, which isn't even registered dns wise
[02:59] <nixternal> s/read/ready
[02:59] <jenda> However, if the line saying Ubuntu Desktop Guide html pdf etc. also said 'other languages' and linked to an index of those - that's effective and simple, IMO
[02:59] <mdke> jenda, I can help locoteams use our documentation. I'll think about how to make an index of languages
[02:59] <mdke> nixternal: I have discussed that in email with jon and jjesse
[02:59] <nixternal> great
[03:01] <mdke> should be easy for the wiki...
[03:01] <mdke> no idea how to do it for the static pages
[03:53] <jjesse> !ops
[03:53] <rob> ?
[03:53] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:53] <jjesse> just wondered if it worked in this channel as well
[03:53] <rob> heh
[03:53] <rob> no ubotu
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> jjesse, thats a dangerous way to find out ;)
[04:12] <jenda> robitaille: thx for the fridge/meeting.
[04:12] <robitaille> jenda:  np
[04:12] <robitaille> it's my job :)
[04:15] <jenda> 
[05:24] <jjesse> welcome jsgotangco
[05:24] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:24] <jsgotangco> welcme to what? heh
[05:31] <nixternal> welcome to our whacky world ;)
[05:32] <jsgotangco> meh i've been here since late 2004 heh
[05:33] <jjesse> mdke: you around, someone in community council is apoplying
[05:33] <jjesse> that needs some help w/ itialin language team references
[05:33] <jjesse> i forget when istarted hanging out in this wacky world
[05:33] <jsgotangco> around the time i wrote the quickguide for kubuntu in breezy methinks
[05:34] <nixternal> i kind of feel bad for that guy in the CC firing line right now...it looks by his wiki he has contributed..but didn't bring any backing
[05:34] <jsgotangco> or earlier
[05:34] <jjesse> nixternal: it took me two or three councils before i got in
[05:34] <jsgotangco> it happens
[05:34] <nixternal> hehe..i just started hanging out...coming from the Mepis community when they started switching to Ubuntu
[05:34] <jjesse> i had to bring riddell, mdke and a couple of hours for references :)
[05:34] <nixternal> thats why I am waiting jjesse...i will take my time and do more work
[05:35] <jjesse> nixternal: well i would be a refrence for you
[05:35] <nixternal> im in no rush
[05:35] <nixternal> i appreciate it jjesse..ALOT!!!
[05:36] <jjesse> i've been installing office 2007 beta for over an hour :(
[05:36] <nixternal> maybe the next CC meeting I will apply...i just like working with the community...it keeps me busy and my mind going...im not going anywhere...you are stuck with me for a while ;)
[05:36] <nixternal> you know jjesse, office2k7 is the only reason i might install windows here again...i definately want to play with it...i have windows on a vm..
[05:37] <nixternal> i just hope my next job doesn't require me to use windows all the time ;)
[05:37] <jsgotangco> is it really worth looking?
[05:38] <nixternal> it looks like it might be..anyting other then o2k3 is worth looking i think
[05:38] <nixternal> actually...everything i did with office i can do with OOo
[05:38] <nixternal> i wish there was better support with Koffice however since i do the K thing ;)
[05:38] <jsgotangco> i dunno, all my work involves a terminal so...
[05:39] <nixternal> lol...i remember those days jsgotangco when i worked for sun
[05:39] <nixternal> i miss it sometimes...but not that much
[05:39] <jsgotangco> really now
[05:39] <jsgotangco> most of my work involves either a terminal or a glade interface heh
[05:39] <nixternal> i used to work at Sun in Downer's Grove and Arlington Heights b4 they closed the offices
[05:40] <nixternal> i don't know if that sounds like fun anymore ;)
[05:40] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:40] <nixternal> most of my work involves messing around here on irc, since im enjoying the summer being a bum in sweet home chicago ;)
[05:41] <jsgotangco> ahh i wish i could work at home more often
[05:41] <nixternal> i have been doing some work through tacacs+ though when a client calls screaming
[05:49] <nixternal> jsgotangco: when you were in chicago, did you deal with any LUG's at all? I am trying to organise the Chicago LoCo Team, as there is a good deal of buzz in the forums and email, I just can't get them into IRC
[05:50] <jsgotangco> nope not really
[05:50] <jsgotangco> i thought it was a dead place for LUGs or just didn't stay long enough
[05:50] <nixternal> they aren't great thats for sure
[05:51] <nixternal> it is a very dead place for LUGs indead...there are a few posted...they just don't do anything...you might find 1 or 2 that preach FC or Slack
[05:51] <nixternal> most of them are future script kiddies
[06:24] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[08:07] <jjesse> mdke: when you have a chance can you edit the make file for kubuntu to build the adeptupdater.xml and addremoveprograms.xml
[09:35] <nixternal> documentation team meetings?  plans for any future ones at all?  just looking over DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda and notice the 6/16 @1700UTC still posted
[09:36] <jjesse> are meetings are sometimes few and far apart
[09:37] <nixternal> kind of figured that...probably the reason for the mass amounts of mail-list action
[09:37] <LaserJock> I think we should have a doc sprint sometime soon
[09:37] <nixternal> LaserJock: what happened to the PackagingGuide on the h.u.c?  it is gone with some hax0r message ;)
[09:37] <nixternal> im j/k...calm down ;)
[09:37] <LaserJock> shesh
[09:38] <nixternal> haha
[09:38] <nixternal> i was reading it..then jjesse let me in on it that you were the master mind..so of course i had to come up with something to mess with you
[09:38] <LaserJock> I was going to start yelling at Matthew
[09:38] <nixternal> hahaa
[09:38] <jjesse> hey dont' get me in troupble
[09:39] <nixternal> i have it here local anyways...as im sure many of us do...so there wouldn't have been a loss...my cron grabs updates periodically
[09:39] <nixternal> hahaha jjesse..busted!!!
[09:39] <nixternal> crimsun showed me where the packaging stuff was..go figure..what doesn't he do or know?
[09:39] <nixternal> im starting to think he is a bot
[09:39] <nixternal> ;)
[09:40] <nixternal> speaking of the east coast though...crimsun has the weather out there been bad??? or are you back up north?
[09:40] <LaserJock> yes, crimsun is an incredible individual, he seems to know everything and also does a lot of work outside Ubuntu. I have absolutely no idea how he does it
[09:41] <nixternal> me either
[09:41] <nixternal> malone to him is like a bone to a dog...try and beat him to the bugs..impossible..
[09:43] <crimsun> nixternal: it sucked last week, stranding me in the Baltimore/Washington, D.C., airport for 13.5 hours
[09:43] <crimsun> nixternal: otherwise it's a fairly average summer thus far
[09:43] <nixternal> good ol' BWI...thats where I used to live..i have a house..well my x does ;) in southern md
[09:44] <nixternal> she called and said it was bad
[09:44] <crimsun> yeah, tornado watches up and down the east coast, causing many airports to close
[09:44] <nixternal> ahhh
[09:44] <LaserJock> we've got a ton on fires here
[09:44] <nixternal> the weather channel has said very little
[09:45] <nixternal> where you at LaserJock?  arizona, california, nevada?
[09:45] <nixternal> ;)
[09:45] <nixternal> those seem to be the 3 burning
[09:45] <LaserJock> NV
[09:45] <nixternal> oh, and co
[09:45] <LaserJock> 14 mi. from CA
[09:45] <LaserJock> we had over a dozen fires start in my area yesterday alone
[09:45] <nixternal> tad bit smokey then for you
[09:45] <jjesse> nixternal: so if the packaging guide didn't answer the questions you had on #kubuntu-devel can you get laserjock to update the guide to answer them ??
[09:45] <LaserJock> 50,000 acres so far
[09:45] <nixternal> it did answer it jjesse
[09:45] <nixternal> crimsun of all people showed me ;)
[09:46] <LaserJock> jjesse: hehe
[09:46] <nixternal> ya LaserJock. i seen where lightning caused a few more over night
[09:46] <LaserJock> supposed to be the same this afternoon
[09:47] <LaserJock> could get pretty bad
[09:47] <nixternal> ya..they showed no rain, but wind for that entire area today
[09:47] <LaserJock> it rains, but with 10% humidity it doesn't get to the ground
[09:47] <nixternal> thats exactly what they said
[09:47] <nixternal> i was like huh..it rains but it doesn't
[09:47] <nixternal> hehe
[09:48] <nixternal> time of year to be a smoke jumper
[09:48] <LaserJock> yeah, you can actually see it raining above you
[09:48] <LaserJock> but nothing ever reaches you
[09:48] <nixternal> wow..now that is a trip
[09:48] <nixternal> when i stayed in san diego...when it rained, it rained