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=== Topic for #ubuntu-marketing: Welcome to #ubuntu-marketing. This is the IRC channel of the Ubuntu Marketing Team. The Marketing Team helps fix Bug #1 by helping people help other people make the switch. And YOU can help US do that - just join the Team! || || "It is ironic that Bill Gates claims to be building a stable OS and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world."
=== Topic (#ubuntu-marketing): set by jenda at Mon Jun 26 22:36:01 2006
(KenSentMe/#ubuntu-marketing) jenda: we don't seem to be in the ubuntu-meeting agenda bot atm. Do you know how we can add our meeting to his list?10:34
(jenda/#ubuntu-marketing) KenSentMe: I just sent the request10:34
(KenSentMe/#ubuntu-marketing) jenda: nice one10:34
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jendawelcome, ubuntulog10:39
jendathanks for that one, jane.10:39
jsgotangcohey10:40
jendahello jsgotangco10:40
KenSentMejenda: ubuntulog is not the talking kind i think10:40
jsgotangcoyep this just logs10:40
jendaKenSentMe: check. It's a logbot.10:40
jendaExactly what we needed.10:40
KenSentMei know10:40
KenSentMebut great10:40
KenSentMeand where are the irclogs located?10:41
jsgotangcodo you know where this guy logs? its at fabbione's shell i think as well10:41
jsgotangcop.u.c/~fabbione/something10:41
jsgotangcohttp://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/10:42
jendathanks, jsgotangco10:43
KenSentMejsgotangco: thanks10:43
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matthewrevellChannel topic - do we want to frame the channel in terms of the old Microsoft versus the world debate?10:47
ompaulno10:47
KenSentMematthewrevell: to my opinion we can remove the quote from the topic10:48
ompaulI suggest  /topic  Welcome to #ubuntu-marketing. This is the IRC channel of the Ubuntu Marketing Team. | The Marketing Team helps fix Bug #1 by helping people help other people make the switch. | Channel logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ |10:49
jsgotangcoyeah just make it simple10:49
jsgotangcono dramas10:49
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matthewrevellCool, best to have a nice simple topic, I feel.10:52
jendaright10:53
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ompaulyou do now ;-)10:53
jendaThat quote was from when the channel didn't seem to have any real meaning. It doesn't belong here now.10:54
jendaHowever - Bug#1 still frames us against microsoft.10:54
jendaAnd it should stay that way, as it reflects the unfortunate reality... :)10:55
jsgotangcono dramas we all know about it10:55
jsgotangcobut bug#1 shouldn't be the focus of all energies here imo10:55
jendaPlease expand on that, jsgotangco10:56
jsgotangcobug#1 is a very good starting point to channel on marketing efforts but it shouldn't be the focus of all activities. we make software that works, even if there's an MS or not10:57
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ompaulcd or dvd11:01
jsgotangcosoftware freedom day =)11:02
jsgotangcohttp://www.softwarefreedomday.org/11:03
jendajsgotangco: what is Marketing, in your opinion?11:04
matthewrevellompaul: It'd be a good opportunity to work with Software Freedom Day. The Open CD is a Canonical sponsored project, AFAIK, and Henrick, who runs it, is involved with SFDay.11:04
ompaulthat makes sense11:04
jsgotangcojenda: I am not a marketing professional but in my opinion, marketing works better when not trolling on the competition and instead focus on your strengths and be honest of your weaknesses11:05
jsgotangcoyep we're spicing up OpenCD 4 just in time for SFD11:05
ompaulwhen is SFD this year?11:05
jsgotangcoSep 1611:06
matthewrevelljsgotangco: Amen :)11:06
jsgotangcopeople also want interoperability so it doesn't hurt to say that ubuntu works nicely with windows as well11:07
jendajsgotangco: true - but no matter what you do - marketnig is spreading ubuntu, and that is wrestling users from the competition.11:07
jsgotangcoyep it happens11:08
matthewrevelljenda: I'd say our ultimate goal is increased uptake of Ubuntu, of course. I also feel we should consider the other aspects of marketing, before jumping into the promotion/spreading part. As for wrestling users from the competition, I'd say that is perhaps the wrong analogy. We want to spread the ideals of free software through increased uptake of Ubuntu. Wrestling Windows, or whatever other alternative, from users' hands suggests we11:13
jendaThat's true - but more Ubuntu users inherently means less windows users. It's not exactly a thing to argue about. The goal is the proliferation of Ubuntu, not the destruction of MS.11:14
jsgotangcoGNOME does great marketing stuff that focuses on benefits rather than features that go against the competition11:15
jendathat's not my point11:15
jendayou can't avoid taking customers from the competition when you do marketing.11:15
mvirkkilmatthewrevell:  I think your comment was too long. I didn't see anything past "...from users' hands suggests we"11:15
jsgotangcothat's not marketing anymore, you "sold" them into moving =)11:16
jsgotangcoyour marketing worked then if they got sold =)11:16
matthewrevellOh, sorry.11:16
matthewrevellmvirkkil: My point was that marketing is about more than promotion.11:17
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ompaulthe gig is - show people ubuntu - show it to them often11:32
matthewrevellSo, at present, as far as I can see, we have three projects that have been recently active and connected to the marketing team.11:32
matthewrevellSpreadUbuntu, Ubuntu Magazine and the media relations/press team.11:32
matthewrevellI know we can discuss this in the meeting, but who are the main people behind SpreadUbuntu and the magazine?11:33
matthewrevellI understand Lloyd has been driving SU.11:33
ompaulthat is accurate afik11:35
ompaulhim and those on the ubuntupeople platform11:35
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ompaulso there is a meeting tomorrow then that should be in the topic11:38
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ompaulso 8pm tomorrow matthewrevell11:39
matthewrevellompaul: I'll be there :)11:40
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jendamatthewrevell: check. Three projects ATM12:54
jendaand yup, Lloyd has been in charge of SU12:55
ompaulThe next meeting of the Council will be at [WWW]  27 June 2006, 14:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net12:56
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jendaompaul: Holy ...12:57
jendaompaul: I just read that in an email.12:57
jendaFrom the SABDFL :)12:57
jendaompaul: will you be there?12:58
matthewrevelljenda: I'll be there, I should think.12:59
jendaok01:01
ompaulI imagine so01:01
matthewrevellTalking of the council ... I've been trying to find a description of what is required for a team to be approved by the CC. Does anyone know of a link?01:08
jendanot sure01:10
ompaulwell there is a team how many members are already on the team list on lp01:11
jendayep01:11
matthewrevellompaul: But there is a step of Community Council approval to become an official Ubuntu team, isn't there?01:12
ompaulI am looking for it01:12
matthewrevellcool01:14
jendamatthewrevell: I think the team is already approved.01:15
jendanot sure though01:15
ompaulhttp://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/governance01:15
jendaI'm probably not ready to take care of it being approved at todays meeting.01:16
ompaulit is not on a this list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams01:16
matthewrevelljenda: Not sure what you mean.01:16
jendahmm, it's not indeed.01:16
jendamatthewrevell: I'm candidating for membership, and those who would support me are not around because the meeting was at such short notice.01:17
matthewrevellI think we have a long way to go before we even approach the council for approval.01:17
matthewrevelljenda: Oh, I see.01:17
matthewrevelljenda: Good luck :)01:17
jendayes01:18
jendathanks01:18
ompaulohh jenda I did not know I was not around ;-)01:18
jendaompaul: you are the only one who is.01:18
matthewrevellAt the risk of making tomorrow's meeting a little too full, I reckon we should probably discuss an idea of what we want to achieve before we apporach the council for team approval.01:18
ompaulmatthewrevell, pleased to meet you, it appears I am not around ;-)01:19
matthewrevellompaul: Who said that?01:19
matthewrevell:)01:19
jenda:)01:19
ompaulanyway that is enough o/t for now01:19
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nickm1Good morning all01:56
nickm1jenda, ompaul01:56
jendaoi, nickm101:56
ompaulafter morning01:56
nickm1oh, so it is :( just got up01:57
ompaulgood golly the debian install is being naughty01:58
ompaulhmm back in a mo01:58
nickm1ompaul: sorry, i thought you were someone else :)01:59
ompaulnickm1, no worries02:00
jendanickm1: you meant paulvg? he's on jabber, but not here...02:00
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nickm1yeah,02:00
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jendamatthewrevell: thanks for correcting the wik page - I was gonna do it but then it simply faded out of my short term memory ;)02:37
matthewrevelljenda: :) Haven't done much but I've just tried to give the impression that things are up for decision again.02:43
jendagreat ;)02:44
nixternaljenda, are you planning on holding the meeting in here, or have you scheduled use of #ubuntu-meeting?02:46
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nixternals/do/so02:47
jendanixternal: actually, I booked #ubnutu-meeting :)02:47
nixternalgreat!!!02:48
nixternalif needed, once the meeting is complete, i can take info from the log and from the agenda, and create a minutes list like we do for Kubunt-devel meetings02:48
jendanixternal: That would be just great :)02:49
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes02:49
jendaYes, that and the mailing list.02:49
nixternalthat is how we set it up there...it is easy to navigate02:49
nixternalno problem jenda..i can do that02:49
nixternalok jenda..there is a CC meeting...whew..as i was thinking i was missing the marketing meeting...i wish there was a way for me to leave my recommendation though02:54
jendahmm02:55
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matthewrevellhello GazzaK03:33
GazzaKhi matthewrevell03:33
darkmatter_so... how's the marketing drive going?03:34
matthewrevelldarkmatter_: We have a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting tomorrow at 19:00 UTC. Hoping to get things moving.03:34
darkmatter_cool.. I'll try to be there03:35
GazzaKme too :)03:35
matthewrevelldarkmatter_: That'd be good, if you can make it. We're working on an agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings03:35
GazzaKoww, is utc one hour before or after me? (UK Based)03:35
matthewrevellGazzaK: For us UK types it'll be 8pm tomorrow.03:36
jendayup03:36
darkmatter_goodmorning jenda :)03:36
GazzaKokay03:36
jendagood day, darkmatter_.03:37
darkmatter_ooh.... more evil updates.. YAY!!! :)03:37
darkmatter_gotta love dapper03:37
jendayep :)03:38
jendagpg got updated today.03:38
GazzaKI only had one update today darkmatter_03:40
darkmatter_yah... same.. disappointing03:40
GazzaKi've set this channel to auto-join, same for the meeting one03:42
GazzaKgot less excuses now03:42
GazzaKhave we got a meeting schedule at all?03:42
matthewrevellGazzaK: Schedule?03:43
jendaof course, look at our wikipage03:43
GazzaKwhats to be covered in the meeting...03:43
GazzaKgoing to the wiki :)03:43
jendathanks ;)03:44
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`6ogbrb as another me03:45
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jendaHello Kamping_Kaiser :)03:46
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Kamping_Kaiserhi jenda :)03:47
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Kamping_Kaiserhm. i sugest a link to the teams wiki page if posable in the topic :)03:47
jendaI was just gonna do that.03:48
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Kamping_Kaisercurse :I i dont think i'm free03:49
Kamping_Kaiserjenda, do you know how to get meetings added to the ical hosted at (iirc) the fridge?03:50
jendayup03:50
jendaemail your request to fridge-devel mailing list.03:50
Kamping_Kaiserthanks :)03:50
jendaI already did for this one, BTW03:50
jendanp03:50
Kamping_Kaiserhm. wonder how long untill it takes effect03:51
Kamping_Kaiseri thought i was subbed to it03:51
jendaIt's done manually - last time I asked it was D. Robitaille who did it, I think.03:52
Kamping_Kaiseri'll cruise around the fridge and see what i find03:53
GazzaKlast time I subbed to a mailing list I was swamped with emails :)  my spam to real messages almost evened out...03:58
jendaheh :)03:59
Kamping_Kaiseranyway: i'm interested in doing stuff with this group. i also joined (iirc), gnome-marketing and debian-marketing to see what upstream does as well (not a lot)03:59
jendaI'm subscribed to about 10 ubuntu MLs and no spam trouble.03:59
matthewrevellGazzaK: I get Gmail to automatically filter mailing list stuff, so I can choose when to see it.03:59
Kamping_Kaiserspam? in ubuntu?03:59
matthewrevellGazzaK: I have labels set up in Gmail for each mailing list.03:59
Kamping_Kaiseri'm on 85 lists from a dozen groups, and i only see resplies to smap from the forums, and spam in debian lists.04:00
matthewrevellGazzaK: Gmail labels are like mail folders, basically.04:00
GazzaKnooo, the mails for the mailing list almost equalled my daily spam! :p04:00
darkmatter_spam filters are usually top notch on most mailing lists.... the odd one get through... but not often04:00
Kamping_Kaisernot on the debian lists :S04:00
GazzaKI get too much spam... :(04:00
Kamping_Kaiser:(04:01
GazzaKall of it to email addresses I have never used, but I need a catchall email as I give out silly addresses for certain things04:01
jenda2 CC members on... waiting for one more.04:01
Kamping_Kaiseroh, meeting now?04:01
jendayes04:02
jendait _the_ meeting for me, Kamping_Kaiser :)04:02
Kamping_Kaiser oh:O04:02
nixternaljenda: good news..i will be here for the meeting04:02
jendagreat :)04:02
nixternal+1 from me ;)04:02
Kamping_Kaiserjenda, i better be there then :)04:02
jendahehe :)04:03
jendathanks folks ;)04:03
nixternalif i would have known they were doing the cc today...and if i would have known these people would call and cancel as i was leaving...i would have applied myself ;)04:03
nixternalso next time maybe04:03
Kamping_Kaiserback in 30 sec - need drinks for the meeting :)04:04
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jendameeting scheduled, Kamping_Kaiser04:12
Kamping_Kaiserjenda, marketing?04:13
jendayup04:13
jendait's on the fridge now.04:13
Kamping_Kaisercool04:13
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matthewrevellCool, glad we've got that sorted on the fridge. Nice one04:14
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GazzaKwho is sabdf1?04:17
matthewrevellGazzaK: Mark Shuttleworth04:18
GazzaKthought so, woo04:18
matthewrevellsabdfl  = Self-appointed benevolent dictator for life :)04:18
GazzaKnice to see him here04:18
=== Kamping_Kaiser wonders why the CC has to get together and talk about email...seriously....
nixternallol04:19
nixternalim trying to figure out if it is email or forums..they switch back and forth...html and text...background color or not....thread or....you see ;)04:19
Kamping_Kaiserthey are working out a email prefered thingy04:20
Kamping_Kaiserlistequette is what its called at this meeting ;)04:20
GazzaKit seems to be about the integration of emails to the threads in a forum or such04:21
matthewrevellThe listiquette thing comes from, I believe, problems with people top posting etc in mailing list discussions, which can make it hard to follow threads.04:21
=== jenda wonders why the marketing team has to discuss what the CC is discussing and why. :)
Kamping_Kaiserjenda, what the CC does affects us in a real way :P04:22
matthewrevelljenda: There's no harm in it, is there?04:22
matthewrevell:)04:22
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GazzaKwe like being nosy04:22
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jendahello dinda04:38
matthewrevellWhat's going on in Dublin today?04:38
dindahi jenda04:38
GazzaKmust be some presentation, maybe ompaul knows?04:39
ompaultomorrow - apachecon04:39
ompaulhe is doing a keynote04:40
GazzaKwish I was there04:40
GazzaKyou going ompaul ?04:40
matthewrevellah04:40
ompaulnot at 700 for two days or 940 for 304:40
ompaulcan't afford it simple as that04:40
GazzaKouchy~ouchness04:41
GazzaKthats a lot, what does that buy?  access?04:41
ompaulyes04:41
jendaoofff04:41
GazzaKwhy so much?  is it a money making exercice?04:42
ompaulno04:42
ompaulthere are about 150 to 200 devs at it04:43
ompaulit is a very expensive hotel - the speakers are from all over have a look at the page04:43
GazzaKI just cannot understand why they are charging so much...04:43
GazzaKi'd love to go though, nice hotels rule :)04:43
ompaulpay for a speaker 2/3k04:52
ompaulpay for the biggest conference/dinner hall in .ie04:52
ompaul(atm)04:52
jendaI'm beginning to worry that there won't be enough time for new memberships.04:52
ompauldon't worry he owes you a meeting now04:53
ompaul:)04:53
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jendahehe ;)04:54
GazzaKI'm still like o_O over Mark being so erm community spirited...05:14
Kamping_Kaiserwhats that?05:15
jendaGazzaK: 3 of 4 CC members are present at each meeting, and that includes him quite often.05:15
GazzaKthats amazing05:15
nixternalcongratulations jenda!!! great job!!!05:19
jenda:)05:20
Kamping_Kaisernice job mate, rewarded :)05:20
matthewrevelljenda: Well done :)05:20
nixternali don't think they had any other choice...you had a mass stand behind you on that one05:21
Kamping_Kaiserlol05:21
nixternalyou definately diserve it!!!05:21
Kamping_Kaiserhalf the chan going for one person :)05:21
jendahaha :)05:22
jendait does feel good ;)05:22
dindacongrat jenda!  now time to get back to work ;-)05:23
Kamping_Kaiserhehe05:23
dindaI'm so glad to see some activity in the marketing group - I've been following for a few months05:23
matthewrevelldinda: Are you able to come to the meeting tomorrow?05:25
jendayes, that would be great.05:25
dindalet me see what time that makes it in my timezone - USA CST05:25
Kamping_Kaiserjenda, i would be there, but i just organised to be at a meeting in 'real life'05:26
jendaoh no, Kamping_Kaiser !05:26
Kamping_Kaiseri know :(05:26
jendaTell me...05:27
jendawhat is a RL meeting like?05:27
jendaDoes it hurt?05:27
jendaDoes it hurt your back as much as a long IRC meeting?05:27
Kamping_Kaiserum. theres people, and they waves stuff around, and talk a lot, its so unsocial :S05:28
Kamping_Kaiserhehe. sometiems05:28
jendaeeww05:28
dindaack - i'm in the office during tomorrow's meeting05:28
dindaI just got back from the Paris summit - learned lots of great info there05:30
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matthewrevelldina, Kamping_Kaiser we can continue the discussion on the mailing list after the meeting.05:30
matthewrevells/dina/dinda05:31
dindaand now that the logging is working, that will help as well05:31
Kamping_Kaisercool05:31
jendamind you, the meeting will be in the #ubnutu-meeting channel, not here.05:32
jenda(that channel has been logged ever since I remember.05:32
dindaone thing I learned is that getting organized, having an organizational sturcture is very important. . .05:33
dindabeing able to target a few things is better than trying to do everything05:33
jendayes05:34
matthewrevellbrb05:34
dindaand hopefully we can work with other groups like artwork to make sure there is no duplication of effort05:35
matthewrevelldinda: Absolutely.05:36
matthewrevelldinda: Jane Silber has mentioned that she'd like to see an effort with Loco teams to get Ubuntu in non-English language press around the world, as well as smaller English language publications.05:38
dindadefintitely - I understand there is to be a big push in the Phillipines soon05:39
dindaI've found it to be quite a learning process for newer users to step into the F/OSS world05:41
GazzaKI want to get some banners/posters for kubuntu & ubuntu, is there any already done in pdf form which will print nicely? (at a3 or above)05:41
GazzaKdinda, yes it is, been near vertical learning curve for me05:41
dindaI've seen some for kubuntu, can't recall for ubuntu05:42
dindaI *think* it was on the mailng list recently, the kubuntu pdfs05:42
GazzaKdinda, can you remember a link for the kubuntu ones?  I hope they are graphically intensive, as they are for a youth club here :)05:42
nixternalGazzaK: i found a place that is selling ubuntu/kubuntu posters last night for an insane amount of money..i was trying to find one of the brown ubuntu t-shirts...all i get it cafepress though ;(05:43
dindalet me check my archive for the kubuntu ones. . .brb05:43
nixternalGazzaK: you just gave me a great idea...i have been doing some volunteer stuff with a gentleman from my church here where we have been refurbishing old computers with Edubuntu and donating them to underpriviledged areas of chicago05:44
GazzaKnixternal, I might be able to get a friend to make t-shirts at cost price :)05:44
nixternali wanted to do a booth at an upcoming show...and i think having the kids in the schools that get our computers we refurb..make us up one!!!05:44
nixternalwith handprints and what now!!!05:45
nixternals/now/not05:45
GazzaKI want to make some nice posters and tshirts for kubuntu (as it has pretty graphics!) with the kde dragon...05:45
nixternalEdubuntu is all about the Little Humans ;)   and having them make a banner for a booth is a good idea..thanks to you GazzaK on giving that one to me ;)05:45
GazzaKnixternal, if it is a banner - use cloth to make the banner, paint it white first, it will last a lot longer than card or paper05:46
dindaGazzaK - can't locate it but perhaps a search through last month's mailing list archive might help05:47
nixternalthanks GazzaK for that pointer...i will make sure i do so05:47
dindaI just found the launchpad team for this group - signed up05:58
jendadinda: approved.06:00
dindaTY!!!  ;-)06:00
jendanot an issue ;)06:01
dindaI'm excited that things seem to be moving forward for this group now06:01
jendamehehe... who wouldn't be :) I'm looking forward to tomorrow's meeting.06:02
dindabut back to work for now - catch everyone later!06:02
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GazzaKit is gonna be cool06:03
GazzaKdon't really know how I can help, but I want to, so thats half the battle :)06:03
jendayes it is indeed.06:04
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Bilangethe MT/Meetings page was missing something: the link to timeanddate.com showed a page with 15:00UTC, not 19:00UTC... I just fixed the page06:04
jendathanks, Bilange06:04
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GazzaKhi matthewrevell08:14
matthewrevellhey08:16
jendaoi08:16
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jendathere ;)08:17
jendafeels much better.08:17
nixternalnice cloak there ;)08:17
GazzaKthats a lovely cloak there jenda it's all shiny new08:17
nixternalhehe08:17
jenda:)08:17
GazzaKis it chrome plated?08:18
jendaoh yes, titanium constructed, chrome plated 'n' all that jazz.08:18
GazzaKthought you could not chrome plate titanium :p08:19
jendadamn you, spoiling the fun... 08:20
GazzaKtitainium is better than cheap chrome though :)08:21
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damnedevening all09:38
GazzaKevening09:42
nixternalevening09:42
jendaaiii09:42
Bilangeevening!10:05
damnedquite silent here... thought to read marketing talks :)10:11
jendadamned: we will have a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 23 hours10:13
jendayou're wellcome to come.10:13
jenda:)10:13
GazzaK23 hours?10:15
GazzaK22:45 ish yes?10:15
damned00:16 here...10:16
jendaIt'll be at 19:00 UTC10:18
damnedUTC is former GMT?10:18
jendadamned: we had quite a bit of marketing talk here during the past two days, though - and I believe it will be building up.10:18
jendadamned: I think it's still the samething.10:18
GazzaKand bst = utc+1, so thats 20:00 UK time10:20
ompauldamned, no it is GMT10:21
ompaulGMT is not BST10:21
damnedactually i spend much time in thoughts about "corporate ubuntu", even started a blog (unfortunately in my native language). i think there should be community to elaborate a Corporate Ubuntu standart...10:22
damnedwe can't gain enterprise desktops without it.10:23
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damnedany ideas?10:23
jendaI'll be right with you...10:25
damnedthere should be software for central management of ubuntu desktops... linux administration is easy... if you have 20-30 desktops... if 1000? there should be Microsoft Active Directoru analog... or even special version of Corporate Ubuntu - CUbuntu.10:34
=== damned described some benefits in his blog... should translate to english...
KenSentMedamned: where are you from?10:35
KenSentMedamned: hi by the way10:35
jendarussia10:35
jenda"@damned.vpol.org.ru"10:35
jenda;)10:35
damnedKenSentMe: russia. yes.10:35
KenSentMeah, ok10:36
KenSentMeI took russian lessons on university10:36
damnedKenSentMe: speak a bit?10:36
jendadamned: you mean a centralised remote management software?10:36
damnedjenda: sure. policy based management. for example:10:37
KenSentMedamned: no, it was to short, i quit university after two months. But still want to learn10:37
damned1-st group can use USB ports for new devices.10:37
damned2-nd group can't use web10:37
damnedor other10:37
damnedAD allows to do all of that10:37
damnedfor enterprise security is one of the most important things10:38
jendahmm...10:38
damnedand also ability to migrate from one computer to another without copying anything...10:38
damnedfor example "remote home" or smth like that10:39
jendadamned, I'm afraid we, the marketing folks aren't the right ones to discuss this with. It's a very interesting idea - but it's more like a feature request or derivative distro request.10:39
GazzaKbut it's a damn good idea, as most workplaces would love it10:41
GazzaKremote user area could be fun10:41
damnedjenda: yes, sure. but i'm talking about an idea.10:41
damnedjenda: when you talk about enterprise (that is the only way to fix bug #1) - we need to think about "what they actually need".10:42
GazzaKnight all10:43
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damnedanother idea is to help home users to choose Sony PS3 for games... :) migrate from windows->games to PS3->games or any other game devices.10:44
damnedSony would like such program :)10:46
jendadamned, I'm sorry. That's features and programs. Not marketing. Posting your ideas at the ubuntuforums.org10:46
damnedok.10:46
jenda*Try posting you ideas at10:47
KenSentMejenda: it's not entirely not marketing10:47
damnedbut remember that just counting %% isn't enough.10:47
KenSentMeMarketing is also about knowing what your audience wants and trying to meet to their demands10:48
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Bilangestill, the marketing team isnt going to program remote homedirs into ubuntu :)10:49
damnedBilange: so what marketing team do? :)10:49
Bilangeotherwise, I agree there are some corporate functionalities which are missing in ubuntu out-of-the-box, sadly10:49
KenSentMeBilange: but the marketing team can suggest it and tell the devs why something is needed10:50
BilangeKenSentMe, so can individuals, too :)10:50
KenSentMeBilange: but i hope the voice of the marketing team is stronger than that of an individual. We should only suggest things that are really needed and we can tell them why it's needed10:51
Bilangedamned, im not sure if the "marketing" is applied in there in its fullest form, but basically we're just spreading the word :)10:51
jendaKenSentMe: honestly, that's not the scope of the MT - we do not propose features. We market what we have. The Ubuntu devs are here to make ubuntu the best it can be.10:51
jendaIn fact, just about every team in Ubuntu aims in someway to make it better. And the ways are very strictly cut.10:52
jendaAnd adding features is NOT what the MT does, at least IMO10:53
Bilangejenda, how about us sending the idea to someone more appropriate?10:53
jendaI think the best place for it would be the forum - there it can be reviewed and expanded by the masses.10:54
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damned...and actually where are we going...10:57
jendaThe technical aspects of the ubuntu development are led by the Technical Board10:57
KenSentMejenda: we only propose features if we are sure they are needed. And it may not be the scope of the MT, it may well be a possible task in the future.10:57
jendamain goals for each release are discussed and accepted at the developer summit - which went on last week.10:58
jendaKenSentMe: we propose them as members, not the marketing team, please.10:58
jendawiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam10:58
=== damned understood a bit now...
=== damned thought that MT is the group of people that can make Ubuntu closer to enterprise usage. Making dvd playback of boot speed 2% faster (such tasks are 80% of developers talks) is almost opposite to fixing bug#1. look at windows. terrible, slow, expensive. but almost everybody uses. :) who did that? m-a-r-k-e-t-i-n-g.
damnedgood night all.11:04
KenSentMedamned: good night11:04
jendagood night.11:04

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