[10:34] (KenSentMe/#ubuntu-marketing) jenda: we don't seem to be in the ubuntu-meeting agenda bot atm. Do you know how we can add our meeting to his list?
[10:34] (jenda/#ubuntu-marketing) KenSentMe: I just sent the request
[10:34] (KenSentMe/#ubuntu-marketing) jenda: nice one
[10:39] <jenda> welcome, ubuntulog
[10:39] <jenda> thanks for that one, jane.
[10:40] <jsgotangco> hey
[10:40] <jenda> hello jsgotangco
[10:40] <KenSentMe> jenda: ubuntulog is not the talking kind i think
[10:40] <jsgotangco> yep this just logs
[10:40] <jenda> KenSentMe: check. It's a logbot.
[10:40] <jenda> Exactly what we needed.
[10:40] <KenSentMe> i know
[10:40] <KenSentMe> but great
[10:41] <KenSentMe> and where are the irclogs located?
[10:41] <jsgotangco> do you know where this guy logs? its at fabbione's shell i think as well
[10:41] <jsgotangco> p.u.c/~fabbione/something
[10:42] <jsgotangco> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[10:43] <jenda> thanks, jsgotangco
[10:43] <KenSentMe> jsgotangco: thanks
[10:47] <matthewrevell> Channel topic - do we want to frame the channel in terms of the old Microsoft versus the world debate?
[10:47] <ompaul> no
[10:48] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: to my opinion we can remove the quote from the topic
[10:49] <ompaul> I suggest  /topic  Welcome to #ubuntu-marketing. This is the IRC channel of the Ubuntu Marketing Team. | The Marketing Team helps fix Bug #1 by helping people help other people make the switch. | Channel logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ |
[10:49] <jsgotangco> yeah just make it simple
[10:49] <jsgotangco> no dramas
[10:52] <matthewrevell> Cool, best to have a nice simple topic, I feel.
[10:53] <jenda> right
[10:53] <ompaul> you do now ;-)
[10:54] <jenda> That quote was from when the channel didn't seem to have any real meaning. It doesn't belong here now.
[10:54] <jenda> However - Bug#1 still frames us against microsoft.
[10:55] <jenda> And it should stay that way, as it reflects the unfortunate reality... :)
[10:55] <jsgotangco> no dramas we all know about it
[10:55] <jsgotangco> but bug#1 shouldn't be the focus of all energies here imo
[10:56] <jenda> Please expand on that, jsgotangco
[10:57] <jsgotangco> bug#1 is a very good starting point to channel on marketing efforts but it shouldn't be the focus of all activities. we make software that works, even if there's an MS or not
[11:01] <ompaul> cd or dvd
[11:02] <jsgotangco> software freedom day =)
[11:03] <jsgotangco> http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/
[11:04] <jenda> jsgotangco: what is Marketing, in your opinion?
[11:04] <matthewrevell> ompaul: It'd be a good opportunity to work with Software Freedom Day. The Open CD is a Canonical sponsored project, AFAIK, and Henrick, who runs it, is involved with SFDay.
[11:04] <ompaul> that makes sense
[11:05] <jsgotangco> jenda: I am not a marketing professional but in my opinion, marketing works better when not trolling on the competition and instead focus on your strengths and be honest of your weaknesses
[11:05] <jsgotangco> yep we're spicing up OpenCD 4 just in time for SFD
[11:05] <ompaul> when is SFD this year?
[11:06] <jsgotangco> Sep 16
[11:06] <matthewrevell> jsgotangco: Amen :)
[11:07] <jsgotangco> people also want interoperability so it doesn't hurt to say that ubuntu works nicely with windows as well
[11:07] <jenda> jsgotangco: true - but no matter what you do - marketnig is spreading ubuntu, and that is wrestling users from the competition.
[11:08] <jsgotangco> yep it happens
[11:13] <matthewrevell> jenda: I'd say our ultimate goal is increased uptake of Ubuntu, of course. I also feel we should consider the other aspects of marketing, before jumping into the promotion/spreading part. As for wrestling users from the competition, I'd say that is perhaps the wrong analogy. We want to spread the ideals of free software through increased uptake of Ubuntu. Wrestling Windows, or whatever other alternative, from users' hands suggests we
[11:14] <jenda> That's true - but more Ubuntu users inherently means less windows users. It's not exactly a thing to argue about. The goal is the proliferation of Ubuntu, not the destruction of MS.
[11:15] <jsgotangco> GNOME does great marketing stuff that focuses on benefits rather than features that go against the competition
[11:15] <jenda> that's not my point
[11:15] <jenda> you can't avoid taking customers from the competition when you do marketing.
[11:15] <mvirkkil> matthewrevell:  I think your comment was too long. I didn't see anything past "...from users' hands suggests we"
[11:16] <jsgotangco> that's not marketing anymore, you "sold" them into moving =)
[11:16] <jsgotangco> your marketing worked then if they got sold =)
[11:16] <matthewrevell> Oh, sorry.
[11:17] <matthewrevell> mvirkkil: My point was that marketing is about more than promotion.
[11:32] <ompaul> the gig is - show people ubuntu - show it to them often
[11:32] <matthewrevell> So, at present, as far as I can see, we have three projects that have been recently active and connected to the marketing team.
[11:32] <matthewrevell> SpreadUbuntu, Ubuntu Magazine and the media relations/press team.
[11:33] <matthewrevell> I know we can discuss this in the meeting, but who are the main people behind SpreadUbuntu and the magazine?
[11:33] <matthewrevell> I understand Lloyd has been driving SU.
[11:35] <ompaul> that is accurate afik
[11:35] <ompaul> him and those on the ubuntupeople platform
[11:38] <ompaul> so there is a meeting tomorrow then that should be in the topic
[11:39] <ompaul> so 8pm tomorrow matthewrevell
[11:40] <matthewrevell> ompaul: I'll be there :)
[12:54] <jenda> matthewrevell: check. Three projects ATM
[12:55] <jenda> and yup, Lloyd has been in charge of SU
[12:56] <ompaul> The next meeting of the Council will be at [WWW]  27 June 2006, 14:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net
[12:57] <jenda> ompaul: Holy ...
[12:57] <jenda> ompaul: I just read that in an email.
[12:57] <jenda> From the SABDFL :)
[12:58] <jenda> ompaul: will you be there?
[12:59] <matthewrevell> jenda: I'll be there, I should think.
[01:01] <jenda> ok
[01:01] <ompaul> I imagine so
[01:08] <matthewrevell> Talking of the council ... I've been trying to find a description of what is required for a team to be approved by the CC. Does anyone know of a link?
[01:10] <jenda> not sure
[01:11] <ompaul> well there is a team how many members are already on the team list on lp
[01:11] <jenda> yep
[01:12] <matthewrevell> ompaul: But there is a step of Community Council approval to become an official Ubuntu team, isn't there?
[01:12] <ompaul> I am looking for it
[01:14] <matthewrevell> cool
[01:15] <jenda> matthewrevell: I think the team is already approved.
[01:15] <jenda> not sure though
[01:15] <ompaul> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/governance
[01:16] <jenda> I'm probably not ready to take care of it being approved at todays meeting.
[01:16] <ompaul> it is not on a this list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams
[01:16] <matthewrevell> jenda: Not sure what you mean.
[01:16] <jenda> hmm, it's not indeed.
[01:17] <jenda> matthewrevell: I'm candidating for membership, and those who would support me are not around because the meeting was at such short notice.
[01:17] <matthewrevell> I think we have a long way to go before we even approach the council for approval.
[01:17] <matthewrevell> jenda: Oh, I see.
[01:17] <matthewrevell> jenda: Good luck :)
[01:18] <jenda> yes
[01:18] <jenda> thanks
[01:18] <ompaul> ohh jenda I did not know I was not around ;-)
[01:18] <jenda> ompaul: you are the only one who is.
[01:18] <matthewrevell> At the risk of making tomorrow's meeting a little too full, I reckon we should probably discuss an idea of what we want to achieve before we apporach the council for team approval.
[01:19] <ompaul> matthewrevell, pleased to meet you, it appears I am not around ;-)
[01:19] <matthewrevell> ompaul: Who said that?
[01:19] <matthewrevell> :)
[01:19] <jenda> :)
[01:19] <ompaul> anyway that is enough o/t for now
[01:56] <nickm1> Good morning all
[01:56] <nickm1> jenda, ompaul
[01:56] <jenda> oi, nickm1
[01:56] <ompaul> after morning
[01:57] <nickm1> oh, so it is :( just got up
[01:58] <ompaul> good golly the debian install is being naughty
[01:58] <ompaul> hmm back in a mo
[01:59] <nickm1> ompaul: sorry, i thought you were someone else :)
[02:00] <ompaul> nickm1, no worries
[02:00] <jenda> nickm1: you meant paulvg? he's on jabber, but not here...
[02:00] <nickm1> yeah,
[02:37] <jenda> matthewrevell: thanks for correcting the wik page - I was gonna do it but then it simply faded out of my short term memory ;)
[02:43] <matthewrevell> jenda: :) Haven't done much but I've just tried to give the impression that things are up for decision again.
[02:44] <jenda> great ;)
[02:46] <nixternal> jenda, are you planning on holding the meeting in here, or have you scheduled use of #ubuntu-meeting?
[02:47] <nixternal> s/do/so
[02:47] <jenda> nixternal: actually, I booked #ubnutu-meeting :)
[02:48] <nixternal> great!!!
[02:48] <nixternal> if needed, once the meeting is complete, i can take info from the log and from the agenda, and create a minutes list like we do for Kubunt-devel meetings
[02:49] <jenda> nixternal: That would be just great :)
[02:49] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes
[02:49] <jenda> Yes, that and the mailing list.
[02:49] <nixternal> that is how we set it up there...it is easy to navigate
[02:49] <nixternal> no problem jenda..i can do that
[02:54] <nixternal> ok jenda..there is a CC meeting...whew..as i was thinking i was missing the marketing meeting...i wish there was a way for me to leave my recommendation though
[02:55] <jenda> hmm
[03:33] <matthewrevell> hello GazzaK
[03:33] <GazzaK> hi matthewrevell
[03:34] <darkmatter_> so... how's the marketing drive going?
[03:34] <matthewrevell> darkmatter_: We have a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting tomorrow at 19:00 UTC. Hoping to get things moving.
[03:35] <darkmatter_> cool.. I'll try to be there
[03:35] <GazzaK> me too :)
[03:35] <matthewrevell> darkmatter_: That'd be good, if you can make it. We're working on an agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings
[03:35] <GazzaK> oww, is utc one hour before or after me? (UK Based)
[03:36] <matthewrevell> GazzaK: For us UK types it'll be 8pm tomorrow.
[03:36] <jenda> yup
[03:36] <darkmatter_> goodmorning jenda :)
[03:36] <GazzaK> okay
[03:37] <jenda> good day, darkmatter_.
[03:37] <darkmatter_> ooh.... more evil updates.. YAY!!! :)
[03:37] <darkmatter_> gotta love dapper
[03:38] <jenda> yep :)
[03:38] <jenda> gpg got updated today.
[03:40] <GazzaK> I only had one update today darkmatter_
[03:40] <darkmatter_> yah... same.. disappointing
[03:42] <GazzaK> i've set this channel to auto-join, same for the meeting one
[03:42] <GazzaK> got less excuses now
[03:42] <GazzaK> have we got a meeting schedule at all?
[03:43] <matthewrevell> GazzaK: Schedule?
[03:43] <jenda> of course, look at our wikipage
[03:43] <GazzaK> whats to be covered in the meeting...
[03:43] <GazzaK> going to the wiki :)
[03:44] <jenda> thanks ;)
[03:45] <`6og> brb as another me
[03:46] <jenda> Hello Kamping_Kaiser :)
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi jenda :)
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i sugest a link to the teams wiki page if posable in the topic :)
[03:48] <jenda> I was just gonna do that.
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> curse :I i dont think i'm free
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, do you know how to get meetings added to the ical hosted at (iirc) the fridge?
[03:50] <jenda> yup
[03:50] <jenda> email your request to fridge-devel mailing list.
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks :)
[03:50] <jenda> I already did for this one, BTW
[03:50] <jenda> np
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. wonder how long untill it takes effect
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought i was subbed to it
[03:52] <jenda> It's done manually - last time I asked it was D. Robitaille who did it, I think.
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll cruise around the fridge and see what i find
[03:58] <GazzaK> last time I subbed to a mailing list I was swamped with emails :)  my spam to real messages almost evened out...
[03:59] <jenda> heh :)
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyway: i'm interested in doing stuff with this group. i also joined (iirc), gnome-marketing and debian-marketing to see what upstream does as well (not a lot)
[03:59] <jenda> I'm subscribed to about 10 ubuntu MLs and no spam trouble.
[03:59] <matthewrevell> GazzaK: I get Gmail to automatically filter mailing list stuff, so I can choose when to see it.
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> spam? in ubuntu?
[03:59] <matthewrevell> GazzaK: I have labels set up in Gmail for each mailing list.
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm on 85 lists from a dozen groups, and i only see resplies to smap from the forums, and spam in debian lists.
[04:00] <matthewrevell> GazzaK: Gmail labels are like mail folders, basically.
[04:00] <GazzaK> nooo, the mails for the mailing list almost equalled my daily spam! :p
[04:00] <darkmatter_> spam filters are usually top notch on most mailing lists.... the odd one get through... but not often
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> not on the debian lists :S
[04:00] <GazzaK> I get too much spam... :(
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[04:01] <GazzaK> all of it to email addresses I have never used, but I need a catchall email as I give out silly addresses for certain things
[04:01] <jenda> 2 CC members on... waiting for one more.
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, meeting now?
[04:02] <jenda> yes
[04:02] <jenda> it _the_ meeting for me, Kamping_Kaiser :)
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser>  oh:O
[04:02] <nixternal> jenda: good news..i will be here for the meeting
[04:02] <jenda> great :)
[04:02] <nixternal> +1 from me ;)
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, i better be there then :)
[04:03] <jenda> hehe :)
[04:03] <jenda> thanks folks ;)
[04:03] <nixternal> if i would have known they were doing the cc today...and if i would have known these people would call and cancel as i was leaving...i would have applied myself ;)
[04:03] <nixternal> so next time maybe
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> back in 30 sec - need drinks for the meeting :)
[04:12] <jenda> meeting scheduled, Kamping_Kaiser
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, marketing?
[04:13] <jenda> yup
[04:13] <jenda> it's on the fridge now.
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[04:14] <matthewrevell> Cool, glad we've got that sorted on the fridge. Nice one
[04:17] <GazzaK> who is sabdf1?
[04:18] <matthewrevell> GazzaK: Mark Shuttleworth
[04:18] <GazzaK> thought so, woo
[04:18] <matthewrevell> sabdfl  = Self-appointed benevolent dictator for life :)
[04:18] <GazzaK> nice to see him here
[04:19] <nixternal> lol
[04:19] <nixternal> im trying to figure out if it is email or forums..they switch back and forth...html and text...background color or not....thread or....you see ;)
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> they are working out a email prefered thingy
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> listequette is what its called at this meeting ;)
[04:21] <GazzaK> it seems to be about the integration of emails to the threads in a forum or such
[04:21] <matthewrevell> The listiquette thing comes from, I believe, problems with people top posting etc in mailing list discussions, which can make it hard to follow threads.
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, what the CC does affects us in a real way :P
[04:22] <matthewrevell> jenda: There's no harm in it, is there?
[04:22] <matthewrevell> :)
[04:22] <GazzaK> we like being nosy
[04:38] <jenda> hello dinda
[04:38] <matthewrevell> What's going on in Dublin today?
[04:38] <dinda> hi jenda
[04:39] <GazzaK> must be some presentation, maybe ompaul knows?
[04:39] <ompaul> tomorrow - apachecon
[04:40] <ompaul> he is doing a keynote
[04:40] <GazzaK> wish I was there
[04:40] <GazzaK> you going ompaul ?
[04:40] <matthewrevell> ah
[04:40] <ompaul> not at 700 for two days or 940 for 3
[04:40] <ompaul> can't afford it simple as that
[04:41] <GazzaK> ouchy~ouchness
[04:41] <GazzaK> thats a lot, what does that buy?  access?
[04:41] <ompaul> yes
[04:41] <jenda> oofff
[04:42] <GazzaK> why so much?  is it a money making exercice?
[04:42] <ompaul> no
[04:43] <ompaul> there are about 150 to 200 devs at it
[04:43] <ompaul> it is a very expensive hotel - the speakers are from all over have a look at the page
[04:43] <GazzaK> I just cannot understand why they are charging so much...
[04:43] <GazzaK> i'd love to go though, nice hotels rule :)
[04:52] <ompaul> pay for a speaker 2/3k
[04:52] <ompaul> pay for the biggest conference/dinner hall in .ie
[04:52] <ompaul> (atm)
[04:52] <jenda> I'm beginning to worry that there won't be enough time for new memberships.
[04:53] <ompaul> don't worry he owes you a meeting now
[04:53] <ompaul> :)
[04:54] <jenda> hehe ;)
[05:14] <GazzaK> I'm still like o_O over Mark being so erm community spirited...
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats that?
[05:15] <jenda> GazzaK: 3 of 4 CC members are present at each meeting, and that includes him quite often.
[05:15] <GazzaK> thats amazing
[05:19] <nixternal> congratulations jenda!!! great job!!!
[05:20] <jenda> :)
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice job mate, rewarded :)
[05:20] <matthewrevell> jenda: Well done :)
[05:21] <nixternal> i don't think they had any other choice...you had a mass stand behind you on that one
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:21] <nixternal> you definately diserve it!!!
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> half the chan going for one person :)
[05:22] <jenda> haha :)
[05:22] <jenda> it does feel good ;)
[05:23] <dinda> congrat jenda!  now time to get back to work ;-)
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[05:23] <dinda> I'm so glad to see some activity in the marketing group - I've been following for a few months
[05:25] <matthewrevell> dinda: Are you able to come to the meeting tomorrow?
[05:25] <jenda> yes, that would be great.
[05:25] <dinda> let me see what time that makes it in my timezone - USA CST
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, i would be there, but i just organised to be at a meeting in 'real life'
[05:26] <jenda> oh no, Kamping_Kaiser !
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know :(
[05:27] <jenda> Tell me...
[05:27] <jenda> what is a RL meeting like?
[05:27] <jenda> Does it hurt?
[05:27] <jenda> Does it hurt your back as much as a long IRC meeting?
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> um. theres people, and they waves stuff around, and talk a lot, its so unsocial :S
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. sometiems
[05:28] <jenda> eeww
[05:28] <dinda> ack - i'm in the office during tomorrow's meeting
[05:30] <dinda> I just got back from the Paris summit - learned lots of great info there
[05:30] <matthewrevell> dina, Kamping_Kaiser we can continue the discussion on the mailing list after the meeting.
[05:31] <matthewrevell> s/dina/dinda
[05:31] <dinda> and now that the logging is working, that will help as well
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[05:32] <jenda> mind you, the meeting will be in the #ubnutu-meeting channel, not here.
[05:32] <jenda> (that channel has been logged ever since I remember.
[05:33] <dinda> one thing I learned is that getting organized, having an organizational sturcture is very important. . .
[05:33] <dinda> being able to target a few things is better than trying to do everything
[05:34] <jenda> yes
[05:34] <matthewrevell> brb
[05:35] <dinda> and hopefully we can work with other groups like artwork to make sure there is no duplication of effort
[05:36] <matthewrevell> dinda: Absolutely.
[05:38] <matthewrevell> dinda: Jane Silber has mentioned that she'd like to see an effort with Loco teams to get Ubuntu in non-English language press around the world, as well as smaller English language publications.
[05:39] <dinda> defintitely - I understand there is to be a big push in the Phillipines soon
[05:41] <dinda> I've found it to be quite a learning process for newer users to step into the F/OSS world
[05:41] <GazzaK> I want to get some banners/posters for kubuntu & ubuntu, is there any already done in pdf form which will print nicely? (at a3 or above)
[05:41] <GazzaK> dinda, yes it is, been near vertical learning curve for me
[05:42] <dinda> I've seen some for kubuntu, can't recall for ubuntu
[05:42] <dinda> I *think* it was on the mailng list recently, the kubuntu pdfs
[05:42] <GazzaK> dinda, can you remember a link for the kubuntu ones?  I hope they are graphically intensive, as they are for a youth club here :)
[05:43] <nixternal> GazzaK: i found a place that is selling ubuntu/kubuntu posters last night for an insane amount of money..i was trying to find one of the brown ubuntu t-shirts...all i get it cafepress though ;(
[05:43] <dinda> let me check my archive for the kubuntu ones. . .brb
[05:44] <nixternal> GazzaK: you just gave me a great idea...i have been doing some volunteer stuff with a gentleman from my church here where we have been refurbishing old computers with Edubuntu and donating them to underpriviledged areas of chicago
[05:44] <GazzaK> nixternal, I might be able to get a friend to make t-shirts at cost price :)
[05:44] <nixternal> i wanted to do a booth at an upcoming show...and i think having the kids in the schools that get our computers we refurb..make us up one!!!
[05:45] <nixternal> with handprints and what now!!!
[05:45] <nixternal> s/now/not
[05:45] <GazzaK> I want to make some nice posters and tshirts for kubuntu (as it has pretty graphics!) with the kde dragon...
[05:45] <nixternal> Edubuntu is all about the Little Humans ;)   and having them make a banner for a booth is a good idea..thanks to you GazzaK on giving that one to me ;)
[05:46] <GazzaK> nixternal, if it is a banner - use cloth to make the banner, paint it white first, it will last a lot longer than card or paper
[05:47] <dinda> GazzaK - can't locate it but perhaps a search through last month's mailing list archive might help
[05:47] <nixternal> thanks GazzaK for that pointer...i will make sure i do so
[05:58] <dinda> I just found the launchpad team for this group - signed up
[06:00] <jenda> dinda: approved.
[06:00] <dinda> TY!!!  ;-)
[06:01] <jenda> not an issue ;)
[06:01] <dinda> I'm excited that things seem to be moving forward for this group now
[06:02] <jenda> mehehe... who wouldn't be :) I'm looking forward to tomorrow's meeting.
[06:02] <dinda> but back to work for now - catch everyone later!
[06:03] <GazzaK> it is gonna be cool
[06:03] <GazzaK> don't really know how I can help, but I want to, so thats half the battle :)
[06:04] <jenda> yes it is indeed.
[06:04] <Bilange> the MT/Meetings page was missing something: the link to timeanddate.com showed a page with 15:00UTC, not 19:00UTC... I just fixed the page
[06:04] <jenda> thanks, Bilange
[08:14] <GazzaK> hi matthewrevell
[08:16] <matthewrevell> hey
[08:16] <jenda> oi
[08:17] <jenda> there ;)
[08:17] <jenda> feels much better.
[08:17] <nixternal> nice cloak there ;)
[08:17] <GazzaK> thats a lovely cloak there jenda it's all shiny new
[08:17] <nixternal> hehe
[08:17] <jenda> :)
[08:18] <GazzaK> is it chrome plated?
[08:18] <jenda> oh yes, titanium constructed, chrome plated 'n' all that jazz.
[08:19] <GazzaK> thought you could not chrome plate titanium :p
[08:20] <jenda> damn you, spoiling the fun... 
[08:21] <GazzaK> titainium is better than cheap chrome though :)
[09:38] <damned> evening all
[09:42] <GazzaK> evening
[09:42] <nixternal> evening
[09:42] <jenda> aiii
[10:05] <Bilange> evening!
[10:11] <damned> quite silent here... thought to read marketing talks :)
[10:13] <jenda> damned: we will have a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 23 hours
[10:13] <jenda> you're wellcome to come.
[10:13] <jenda> :)
[10:15] <GazzaK> 23 hours?
[10:15] <GazzaK> 22:45 ish yes?
[10:16] <damned> 00:16 here...
[10:18] <jenda> It'll be at 19:00 UTC
[10:18] <damned> UTC is former GMT?
[10:18] <jenda> damned: we had quite a bit of marketing talk here during the past two days, though - and I believe it will be building up.
[10:18] <jenda> damned: I think it's still the samething.
[10:20] <GazzaK> and bst = utc+1, so thats 20:00 UK time
[10:21] <ompaul> damned, no it is GMT
[10:21] <ompaul> GMT is not BST
[10:22] <damned> actually i spend much time in thoughts about "corporate ubuntu", even started a blog (unfortunately in my native language). i think there should be community to elaborate a Corporate Ubuntu standart...
[10:23] <damned> we can't gain enterprise desktops without it.
[10:23] <damned> any ideas?
[10:25] <jenda> I'll be right with you...
[10:34] <damned> there should be software for central management of ubuntu desktops... linux administration is easy... if you have 20-30 desktops... if 1000? there should be Microsoft Active Directoru analog... or even special version of Corporate Ubuntu - CUbuntu.
[10:35] <KenSentMe> damned: where are you from?
[10:35] <KenSentMe> damned: hi by the way
[10:35] <jenda> russia
[10:35] <jenda> "@damned.vpol.org.ru"
[10:35] <jenda> ;)
[10:35] <damned> KenSentMe: russia. yes.
[10:36] <KenSentMe> ah, ok
[10:36] <KenSentMe> I took russian lessons on university
[10:36] <damned> KenSentMe: speak a bit?
[10:36] <jenda> damned: you mean a centralised remote management software?
[10:37] <damned> jenda: sure. policy based management. for example:
[10:37] <KenSentMe> damned: no, it was to short, i quit university after two months. But still want to learn
[10:37] <damned> 1-st group can use USB ports for new devices.
[10:37] <damned> 2-nd group can't use web
[10:37] <damned> or other
[10:37] <damned> AD allows to do all of that
[10:38] <damned> for enterprise security is one of the most important things
[10:38] <jenda> hmm...
[10:38] <damned> and also ability to migrate from one computer to another without copying anything...
[10:39] <damned> for example "remote home" or smth like that
[10:39] <jenda> damned, I'm afraid we, the marketing folks aren't the right ones to discuss this with. It's a very interesting idea - but it's more like a feature request or derivative distro request.
[10:41] <GazzaK> but it's a damn good idea, as most workplaces would love it
[10:41] <GazzaK> remote user area could be fun
[10:41] <damned> jenda: yes, sure. but i'm talking about an idea.
[10:42] <damned> jenda: when you talk about enterprise (that is the only way to fix bug #1) - we need to think about "what they actually need".
[10:43] <GazzaK> night all
[10:44] <damned> another idea is to help home users to choose Sony PS3 for games... :) migrate from windows->games to PS3->games or any other game devices.
[10:46] <damned> Sony would like such program :)
[10:46] <jenda> damned, I'm sorry. That's features and programs. Not marketing. Posting your ideas at the ubuntuforums.org
[10:46] <damned> ok.
[10:47] <jenda> *Try posting you ideas at
[10:47] <KenSentMe> jenda: it's not entirely not marketing
[10:47] <damned> but remember that just counting %% isn't enough.
[10:48] <KenSentMe> Marketing is also about knowing what your audience wants and trying to meet to their demands
[10:49] <Bilange> still, the marketing team isnt going to program remote homedirs into ubuntu :)
[10:49] <damned> Bilange: so what marketing team do? :)
[10:49] <Bilange> otherwise, I agree there are some corporate functionalities which are missing in ubuntu out-of-the-box, sadly
[10:50] <KenSentMe> Bilange: but the marketing team can suggest it and tell the devs why something is needed
[10:50] <Bilange> KenSentMe, so can individuals, too :)
[10:51] <KenSentMe> Bilange: but i hope the voice of the marketing team is stronger than that of an individual. We should only suggest things that are really needed and we can tell them why it's needed
[10:51] <Bilange> damned, im not sure if the "marketing" is applied in there in its fullest form, but basically we're just spreading the word :)
[10:51] <jenda> KenSentMe: honestly, that's not the scope of the MT - we do not propose features. We market what we have. The Ubuntu devs are here to make ubuntu the best it can be.
[10:52] <jenda> In fact, just about every team in Ubuntu aims in someway to make it better. And the ways are very strictly cut.
[10:53] <jenda> And adding features is NOT what the MT does, at least IMO
[10:53] <Bilange> jenda, how about us sending the idea to someone more appropriate?
[10:54] <jenda> I think the best place for it would be the forum - there it can be reviewed and expanded by the masses.
[10:57] <damned> ...and actually where are we going...
[10:57] <jenda> The technical aspects of the ubuntu development are led by the Technical Board
[10:57] <KenSentMe> jenda: we only propose features if we are sure they are needed. And it may not be the scope of the MT, it may well be a possible task in the future.
[10:58] <jenda> main goals for each release are discussed and accepted at the developer summit - which went on last week.
[10:58] <jenda> KenSentMe: we propose them as members, not the marketing team, please.
[10:58] <jenda> wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[11:04] <damned> good night all.
[11:04] <KenSentMe> damned: good night
[11:04] <jenda> good night.