[12:08] <Riddell> allee: can?
[12:08] <allee> s/can/can't/
[12:08] <Riddell> yeah
[12:09] <nixternal> jjesse is across the pond from me...about 80 miles due east
[12:09] <imbrandon> yea 1300 is ok for me personaly but i was thinking about day job people
[12:09] <imbrandon> err sorry
[12:09] <imbrandon> for the repost
[12:09] <Riddell> well lets try 1300 and see who makes it
[12:09] <[Nirvana] > there is a meeting planner online from timeanddate.com
[12:09] <Riddell> July 17th?
[12:09] <allee> k
[12:10] <Riddell> anyone able to e-mail that to the frige?
[12:10] <imbrandon> ok 17th at 1300 utc , i'll send an email to fridge-devel for the events
[12:10] <Riddell> thanks imbrandon 
[12:10] <Riddell> any volunteers to tidy up the Meetings wiki page and move it to minutes?
[12:10] <toma> allee: jabber me, i might forget
[12:11] <imbrandon> nixternal, wanna do that since your the wiki man ?
[12:11] <nixternal> huh
[12:11] <nixternal> sorry..gettin' ice cream ;)
[12:11] <imbrandon> nixternal, [17:10]  <Riddell> any volunteers to tidy up the Meetings wiki page and move it to minutes?
[12:11] <nixternal> sure...i got can do that
[12:11] <nixternal> whoa..i can do that ;)
[12:11] <allee> toma: kontact -> calendar ;)
[12:11] <nixternal> done deal
[12:12] <Riddell> thanks nixternal, you rule
[12:12] <Riddell> thanks everyone
[12:12] <[Nirvana] > be speedy, I have some stuff to add :P
[12:12] <toma> allee: i use a paper agenda
[12:12] <jenda> yeah, nixternal does kinda rule ;)
[12:12] <toma> sucks in alerts, but fine otherwise
[12:12] <imbrandon> [Nirvana] , you can add it to agenda +1 now
[12:12] <nixternal> ahhh the love ;)
[12:13] <[Nirvana] > imbrandon: I'll spare nix* the hardship of having to move it and just waita bit 
[12:13] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:13] <nixternal> thx ;)
[12:13] <nixternal> haha..toma's quit msg is so homer simpson
[12:14] <nixternal> do what is needed to the wiki...i have already created my copy local to work on
[12:14] <[Nirvana] > imbrandon: would you want such a face to do such hard work on the wiki: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;id=644;type=avatar
[12:15] <nixternal> ouch
[12:15] <nixternal> that guy is ugly ;)
[12:15] <imbrandon> [Nirvana] , i work with nixternal every day most every day so i know what you mean ;)
[12:15] <[Nirvana] > hehe
[12:16] <imbrandon> ok bbiab
[12:16] <nixternal> the love has left the building
[12:16] <jenda> !lart nixternal
[12:16] <nixternal> ;)
[12:17] <DaSkreech> does Kubuntu have any plans for Firefox?
[12:17] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no, it's not a KDE programme
[12:17] <DaSkreech> Riddell: It gets a Kubuntu Home page though
[12:17] <DaSkreech> Which breaks
[12:18] <Lure> DaSkreech: I would love to have some kde-polish for firefox...
[12:18] <Lure> there is even a spec for it...
[12:18] <Riddell> DaSkreech: that's a bug then, we'll fix it (hopefully)
[12:18] <Riddell> -> #kubuntu-devel
[12:18] <imbrandon> yea i keep forgetting to file that one, its been a bug since breezy
[12:18] <DaSkreech> ok
[12:52] <sam__> .
[10:09] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[10:09] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu
[11:17] <profoX`> @schedule Brussels
[11:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Brussels: 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu
[11:40] <jsgotangco> @schedule Manila
[11:40] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Manila: 28 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu | 29 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Jul 04:00: Technical Board | 06 Jul 04:00: Edubuntu | 07 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 20:00: Edubuntu
[12:33] <rob> when is the next CC meeting?
[12:38] <Kamion> rob: see agenda on wiki
[12:39] <rob> thanks, got it
[12:39] <rob> (not in topic)
[12:39] <rob> or on ical
[12:39] <Kamion> yes, needs to go on the fridge for that to happen
[12:39] <Kamion> I don't have access
[12:59] <Seveas> @part
[01:11] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[01:12] <GNAM> no ubugtu
[01:12] <Seveas> indeed
[01:12] <Seveas> had to kick him to put a meeting that's not on the fridge in the topic 
[01:12] <Kamion> thanks
[01:30] <ogra> and i was already impressed by jdub's speed :P
[02:00] <lucas> @schedule Paris
[02:00] <lucas> Msg Ubugtu @schedule Paris
[02:00] <lucas> rah
[02:00] <Seveas> lucas, CC meeting in 2 hours - after that ubugtu will return 
[02:01] <lucas> okey, thanks
[02:51] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[02:51] <jenda> nixternal: ubugtu will be back soon... they say...
[02:51] <nixternal> ahhh
[02:51] <nixternal> he is hiding ;)
[02:51] <nixternal> playing hooky
[02:52] <ogra> well, /topic still works to get the UTC dates 
[02:52] <nixternal> thats the hard way ;)
[02:52] <nixternal> still early here too
[02:55] <jenda> we have 65 minutes to go.
[03:11] <ompaul> jenda, that was so then now its like 50 minutes ;-)
[03:11] <jenda> OMG - you're so one-minute-ago, ompaul...
[03:11] <jenda> 
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hi rob 
[03:53] <rob> hi Hobbsee 
[03:53] <zul> hey calvin
[03:53] <rob> I have to go to work in 6 hrs :(
[03:54] <Seveas> heh, calvin and hobbsee 
[03:55] <rob> my clock is 5 minutes fast
[03:55] <Seveas> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:55:25 +0000
[03:55] <jenda> careful rob, you might end up going to work 5 minutes early.
[03:55] <rob> that would be a shame
[03:56] <jjesse> @schedule detroit
[03:56] <jjesse> @agenda Detoirt
[03:56] <jjesse> grumble
[03:56] <Seveas> Hobbsee, did you see that pastebin post of mine?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Seveas: yes
[03:56] <Seveas> Hobbsee, then you know I can kick you out if I want to :
[03:57] <nixternal_> lol
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Seveas: of course you can, then i'll call op abuse, tehn you'll do it again :P
[03:57] <Hobbsee> op war time!   but not here.
[03:57] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[03:58] <GNAM> meeting in 3 min?
[03:58] <Seveas> yes
[03:58] <Seveas> well, 2
[03:58] <Seveas> Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:58:04 +0000
[03:58] <GNAM> .
[03:58] <gnomefreak> good i have time brb
[04:00] <Kamion> just attempting to round up the other CC members now
[04:02] <azeem> I think mako might be on a plane
[04:02] <azeem> back to the US; not sure though
[04:02] <Kamion> I forgot to check when he was flying back, it's true
[04:02] <jenda> and the sabdfl?
[04:03] <azeem> 11:46 < mako> i'm off!
[04:03] <azeem> that's CEST
[04:03] <Kamion> I believe he should be around unless the brief UTC/local time confusion we had with his scheduling was worse than I thought
[04:03] <Kamion> aha
[04:04] <jenda> ah :)
[04:04] <sabdf1> hi all
[04:04] <Seveas> hi
[04:04] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:04] <rodarvus> hi there
[04:04] <Kamion> ok, we're ready to go then
[04:04] <jjesse> morning :)
[04:04] <Kamion> first item is Listiquette
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:04] <gnomefreak> hi
[04:04] <imbrandon> hi
[04:04] <rob> heh
[04:05] <Seveas> @topic
[04:05] <sabdf1> apologies for that
[04:06] <sabdf1> we are being pretty good about spreading the timezones around, though
[04:06] <Kamion> it was a bit confused this time round due to my vacation and the intervening conferences
[04:06] <sabdf1> so, listiquette
[04:06] <Kamion> we'll try to do the next one properly
[04:06] <sabdf1> the forums guys have a very good set of guidelines
[04:07] <ondrej> mm all
[04:07] <Kamion> most of the ones mdke suggested are pretty mailing-list-specific
[04:07] <sabdf1> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/faq.php?faq=policy
[04:07] <Kamion> (apart from the CoC and topic-ness stuff at the top)
[04:08] <Kamion> mdke said he can't make it to this meeting unfortunately, but I think we should be able to discuss it in his absence
[04:08] <sabdf1> i have a slow connection here at the LP sprint
[04:09] <Kamion> ok, perhaps it would be possible to merge some of the "general policy" stuff from the forums guidelines
[04:09] <Kamion> although the forums have different problems they encounter in practice that they're trying to address, so probably not verbatim
[04:10] <rob> I think most of the things on the Listiquette page just come down to common sense on behalf of its users
[04:10] <sabdf1> hmm.. html fascism
[04:10] <Kamion> Listiquette seems to be a pretty good start, so best-of-both should be fine
[04:10] <Hobbsee> ah, we're supposed to reply underneath.  gotcha.
[04:10] <sabdf1> i can't do FT-yellow in plain text!
[04:10] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:10] <Hobbsee> um, FT-yellow?
[04:11] <rob> good question 
[04:11] <sabdf1> Hobbsee: what's your email address?
[04:11] <YukiCuss> Hobbsee: the background colour he uses in his mail, I think.
[04:11] <jsgotangco> he likes sending email in yellow background or something...'
[04:11] <Hobbsee> sabdf1: hobbsee@kubuntu.org
[04:11] <Hobbsee> YukiCuss: ah right
[04:12] <Kamion> with the exception of the "uses more bandwidth" bit, in practice I don't think I'd bother arguing the point as long as a plain-text alternate part was supplied
[04:12] <Kamion> (re html)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Kamion: dont text-based clients not display html, and therefore leave a whole lot of rubbish around the actual text message?  i've never tried it
[04:13] <rob> just one questing regarding the subject line though, from some locations where I read and want to reply to the mailing list I'm forced to modify the subject line so that the email passes though the gateway, any thoughts on the best way to get around this without breaking threads?
[04:13] <gnomefreak> are the forums an Ubuntu-official forum or the content as far as "good pratices" not really controled?
[04:13] <Kamion> Hobbsee: depends on the client, but anything that supports MIME (and nowadays most should) will display a preferred alternate part
[04:14] <Kamion> so they'd display a text alternate
[04:14] <Seveas> rob, most clients look at the In-reply-to header, not the subject line
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Kamion: ah right.  like i say, i dont use mutt, etc
[04:14] <simira> how
[04:14] <siccness> mutts nice :)
[04:14] <simira> uhm... when was this cc announced?
[04:14] <rob> Seveas, ok (except my Outlook at work) :(
[04:14] <jbailey> sabdfl has fallen off the Internet
[04:14] <jbailey> He'll be back in a sec.
[04:14] <YukiCuss> simira: too late.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> simira: few hours ago
[04:14] <Kamion> Hobbsee: mutt can display HTML, but I prefer to disable that because I haven't looked at its HTML decoding code in any detail and it seems likely to me that there might be vulnerabilities there that spammers could exploit
[04:14] <simira> heh
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Kamion: right
[04:15] <Kamion> simira: not long enough ago. sorry. we did this at the start of the meeting
[04:15] <simira> Kamion: I just checked in on irc. Is it much left?
[04:15] <Kamion> rob: Outlook (well, Express at least) was never really designed to cope with Internet mail as opposed to corporate mail - but anything designed for Internet mail will be fine with in-reply-to/references threading
[04:16] <Kamion> simira: we've only just started
[04:16] <Seveas> simira, meeting just started, still at listiquette
[04:16] <simira> ah, great
[04:16] <simira> (I wouldn't have made dinner though, if I knew ;p
[04:16] <simira> )
[04:16] <Kamion> gnomefreak: see the link sabdfl quoted, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/faq.php?faq=policy
[04:16] <rob> I can live with it, but I have had complaints about it breaking threads from other users
[04:17] <gnomefreak> Kamion: yeah i was looking at that
[04:17] <sabdf1> when changing the subject, is it reasonable to start a new thread?
[04:17] <sabdf1> in other words, compose a new message rather than replying to the thread?
[04:17] <sabdf1> i'm happy with mdke's drafts, and also happy to say to him "look over the forums guidelines and pull in anything you think is relevant"
[04:17] <sabdf1> erk, sorry
[04:17] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:17] <Kamion> sabdf1: I find it a bit difficult to follow discussions if people do that too much, personally
[04:17] <Hobbsee> (sabdf1: heh, right.  rainbow or something would make it more interesting :P)
[04:17] <Kamion> it can make sense if it's a total tangent and the thread is already quite deep, though
[04:17] <Kamion> i.e. judgement call IMO
[04:18] <sabdf1> Kamion: if they are changing the topic, do you prefer to see that in the same thread with new topic, or new thread?
[04:19] <sabdf1> i'm ambivalent, but thought i'd ask what the best practice is
[04:19] <Kamion> 
[04:19] <Kamion> damn, sorry, unfamiliar keyboard
[04:19] <rob> common sense again, I think
[04:20] <Kamion> sabdf1: well, depends, sometimes changing the Subject: header is just a minor correction; if it's off onto a wildly different topic and there's not much to be gained from the previous quoted context then a new thread can make sense
[04:20] <Kamion> I'd hesitate to try to lay down a rule either way
[04:20] <sabdf1> ok, i don't think we need to address that then.
[04:20] <Kamion> there's a specific problem mdke's trying to address there
[04:20] <sabdf1> should we do a whip around the CC and see up or down how people feel about the document then?
[04:21] <thoreauputic> thread hijacking is an annoyance
[04:21] <thoreauputic> recent examples on the users list
[04:21] <Kamion> which is that some mailing list clients are badly behaved and tend to follow up with "RE: blah" or "SV: blah" as a new thread, or that sometimes people don't understand their mail client's reply vs. new message functions
[04:22] <Kamion> we can just annotate that sometimes a new thread makes sense if you're changing the topic and the old one's got too long and convoluted though *shrug*
[04:23] <simira> agree on that
[04:23] <Kamion> sabdf1: what you said, I think it's a pretty sensible start and can be fleshed out a bit with selected stuff from the forums guidelines. It'd have to go in the "hello, you just joined this mailing list" mail if we want to have any expectation that even some people might read it though
[04:23] <Seveas> The listiquette page could be linked in the standard mailman footer
[04:24] <Kamion> that too, if there's reasonable space there
[04:24] <ogra_ibook> why was it renamed btw ? it used to be ListiQuette 
[04:25] <Seveas> because it's only one word pwehaps...
[04:25] <Kamion> ogra_ibook: that's pretty silly capitalisation considering that it's derived from the English word etiquette
[04:26] <sabdf1> we should like to both this and the forums from the bottom of http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[04:26] <Kamion> ListEtiquette might be easier for non-English speakers to grok
[04:26] <ogra_ibook> Kamion, well, i tried to use a wiki compliant title 
[04:26] <Kamion> ogra_ibook: single words are still wiki-compliant
[04:26] <sabdf1> +1 on ListEtiquette
[04:26] <ogra_ibook> yeah, sounds way better 
[04:26] <sabdf1> but they do need special linking -fu
[04:26] <Kamion> (actually the etymology is indirect via netiquette, but never mind)
[04:26] <sabdf1> elmo: ?
[04:27] <elmo> fine by me
[04:27] <ogra_ibook> Kamion, what i'm bothered about is that since i created ListiQuette there were many people linking to it, it apparently got renamed without forwarding 
[04:28] <Kamion> ogra_ibook: ok, somebody should do a simple search/replace then
[04:28] <Kamion> or stick a forwarding page in
[04:28] <ogra_ibook> i dont care how its called now since i didnt touch it over a year, but the links should be preserved
[04:29] <elmo> ogra_: so why don't you just add a forwarding page?  it's really not a big deal?
[04:29] <sabdf1> ok, +1 from me and elmo
[04:29] <sabdf1> can you auto-forward in Moin?
[04:29] <jenda> yep
[04:29] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:29] <imbrandon> yea
[04:29] <sabdf1> ok
[04:29] <Seveas> lots of pages do that
[04:29] <sabdf1> thanks everyone :-)
[04:30] <Seveas> ##redirect
[04:30] <robotgeek> infact the wiki move is thanks to #redirect :)
[04:30] <imbrandon> ogra_ibook, #redirect <newpage>
[04:30] <Kamion> so, sabdfl has to go RSN and I don't really want to do the IRC network thing in a hurry / without sabdfl's input
[04:30] <Kamion> plus sabdfl has the art council thing he wants to talk about
[04:30] <rob> no go on the IRC thing then?
[04:30] <Kamion> does anyone mind if we table the IRC network item for next meeting?
[04:30] <lucychili> sounds cool
[04:31] <jjesse> i don't
[04:31] <sabdf1> i'm happy to abstain from the irc network discussion
[04:31] <sabdf1> would be good to have ops input so i'll ask seveas to speak-but-not-vote in my stead
[04:31] <Hobbsee> better to wait and see if freenode stabilises a bit before having that discussion
[04:31] <Hobbsee> sabdf1: a lot of ops are around tonight, i believe.
[04:32] <rob> it always was stable :)
[04:32] <Seveas> I summarized my pov on this topic on http://wiki.kaarsemaker.net/UbuntuOnFreenode
[04:32] <imbrandon> most are
[04:32] <imbrandon> here
[04:32] <Hobbsee> rob: right, except when it's being hacked, yes :P
[04:32] <ompaul> I +1 Seveas 
[04:32] <gnomefreak> here
[04:32] <simira> is the rest of ubuntu channels moving network?
[04:32] <apokryphos> =)
[04:32] <ompaul> Hobbsee, no other networks get attacked
[04:32] <thoreauputic> I also +1 Seveas 
[04:32] <apokryphos> simira: no, that's just a topic of discussion.
[04:32] <rob> Hobbsee, Freenode is a pretty big target compared to other networks
[04:32] <sabdf1> ompaul: that's just a matter of time
[04:32] <Hobbsee> rob: i realise that
[04:32] <gnomefreak> I +1 Seveas also 
[04:32] <rob> we have around 30,000 users
[04:32] <imbrandon> +1 on Seveas POV
[04:33] <apokryphos> all the reasons on that wiki say it, really
[04:33] <simira> ah
[04:33] <Seveas> I'm curious, why was this placed on the agenda?
[04:33] <simira> Seveas: to have some community input?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> my comment was more "people are more likely to say "get away from freenode" seeing as there was the attack a few days ago, and it's fresh on their minds"
[04:33] <ompaul> sabdf1, woops on my part, misread Hobbsee's comment
[04:33] <thoreauputic> plus freenode is the default OSS network - most people expect to find us here
[04:33] <simira> I know I have strong feelings for staying on frenode
[04:33] <Kamion> Seveas: mdz put it there; I believe it came up at the conference and he dumped it in here
[04:34] <sabdf1> we should not jump just because of a single attack
[04:34] <Kamion> but I didn't notice it until after leaving the conference, so I didn't ask him about it
[04:34] <imbrandon> sabdf1, exactly, that will happen anywhere
[04:34] <robotgeek> even ubuntu had a security issue, we did not stop using it :)
[04:34] <simira> sabdf1: agreed
[04:34] <jjesse> i like what Seveas wrote on his wiki page, it makes sense not to jump
[04:34] <Hobbsee> sabdf1: of course, but that's probably what's on a lot of people's minds right now.
[04:34] <Seveas> robotgeek, nice argument 
[04:34] <rob> Seveas, +1 on UbuntuOnFreenode
[04:34] <Kamion> it's perhaps worth noting that Ubuntu now has enough IRC users that us moving to a different network would make that network rather larger :-)
[04:34] <sabdf1> unless we believe that freenode is irresponsible and liable to be more susceptible as a result
[04:34] <sabdf1> and more of a target
[04:35] <simira> I am on three of four networks, and freenode is definitely the best, imo
[04:35] <YukiCuss> Kamion: it would also be a bit of an issue getting everyone current across.
[04:35] <jenda> does anyone believe so?
[04:35] <apokryphos> Kamion: exactly, as someone mentioned: oftc has 4000 users
[04:35] <Seveas> Kamion, if all ubuntu users moved to oftc for instance, it would grow 25% - that WILL cause problems
[04:35] <ogra_ibook> according to HedgeMage who is available in #edubuntu in her awake times it were ~20 passwords i dont think that justifies a move 
[04:35] <apokryphos> we have well over 1000 in all ubuntu-related channels
[04:35] <simira> three _or_ four
[04:35] <jjesse> think of all of the changes that would have to be made if we moved networks, all of the refrences that are in documenation etc to freenode
[04:35] <ogra_ibook> (HedgeMage is freenode staff)
[04:35] <elmo> YukiCuss: not really - Debian recently did it
[04:35] <sabdf1> i'm +1 on seveas' document, can we jump to a different topic?
[04:35] <sabdf1> i unfortunately need to head to dublin in a few minutes
[04:35] <sabdf1> well
[04:35] <rob> sabdf1, we are working hard to stay one step ahead of the hackers
[04:35] <YukiCuss> elmo: !
[04:35] <sabdf1> i think i will love dublin
[04:35] <Seveas> sabdf1, sounds good to me
[04:35] <elmo> Seveas: no it wouldn't, not if we're sure to check with them in advance
[04:35] <sabdf1> but i will miss part of this meeting
[04:36] <ompaul> sabdf1, you talking today?
[04:36] <sabdf1> ompaul: tomorrow. writing the speech tonight :-/
[04:36] <Kamion> Seveas: (that's assuming that no Ubuntu users are currently on OFTC, which isn't true, but ok)
[04:36] <Seveas> Next topic (if no one objects on moving on) is locoteams
[04:36] <apokryphos> Kamion: there's around 20 r so last time I checked
[04:36] <sabdf1> Seveas: i put another item on the general list
[04:37] <Seveas> ah, *refreshes*
[04:37] <Seveas> art council
[04:37] <apokryphos> 12 now, in fact
[04:37] <sabdf1> ok, just a brief update
[04:38] <sabdf1> the art list has been very active
[04:38] <Seveas> yeah, it came out of deep freeze in the last months
[04:38] <sabdf1> things picked up in the rush to dapper, so we were not able to harness much of that energy for the last release
[04:38] <sabdf1> but we had good participation in the latest dev summit in paris
[04:38] <sabdf1> and i'm optimistic we can get good participation in edgy
[04:38] <jsgotangco> yay
[04:38] <sabdf1> participation == learning, mentoring, and some rough edges no doubt
[04:39] <sabdf1> anyhow, here's (roughly) the structure we are working towards
[04:39] <sabdf1> an arts council, appointed by the CC
[04:39] <sabdf1> much like the CC is working with the forums to be involved in the appointment of the forums admins
[04:39] <simira> sounds good
[04:40] <sabdf1> once that is in place and well proven we will delegate some membership-recognition fu to them
[04:40] <sabdf1> so artists making a sustained and substantial contribution to ubuntu can get membership through the arts council rather than directly through the CC
[04:40] <sabdf1> which will be good, because we have people making good constributions and not getting recognised
[04:40] <sabdf1> each release will also get a set of artists-in-chief
[04:41] <sabdf1> we have appointed frank schoep for ubuntu for edgy, and ken wimer for kubuntu for edgy
[04:41] <sabdf1> we will rotate those positions to ensure new blood gets a chance to lead
[04:41] <sabdf1> and to learn how to interact with the distro
[04:41] <sabdf1> a-i-c's are responsible for interfacing to the distro dev teams
[04:41] <sabdf1> they will attend distro meetings
[04:41] <sabdf1> they will also be responsible for the default "look and feel" of their release
[04:42] <sabdf1> and will work with canonical on things like packaging for cd's / dvd's etc
[04:42] <sabdf1> they will lead a "theme team" for the default theme in that release
[04:42] <sabdf1> human in the case of ubuntu edgy
[04:42] <Kamion> will the a-i-c be appointed by the art council in future, or do you intend to reserve judgement on that particular appointment?
[04:42] <sabdf1> i forget what it's called for kubuntu edgy
[04:42] <jjesse> crystal?
[04:43] <Riddell> we're currently considering "Kubuntu Face"
[04:43] <Hobbsee> sabdf1: crystal/polyester
[04:43] <sabdf1> i've appointed the a-i-c's, and we should plan to continue to keep tight reign on that, but with arts council input
[04:43] <Hobbsee> i think.
[04:43] <Kamion> right
[04:43] <sabdf1> the a-i-c's are part time jobs with funding from canonical
[04:43] <sabdf1> so we can reasonably expect consistent attendance and coverage
[04:43] <sabdf1> then, there will be additional theme teams
[04:43] <sabdf1> so that we work on a diversity of themes
[04:44] <elmo> does this mean we'll have less lastminute.com-ing on artwork?
[04:44] <sabdf1> each theme will get a leader (the a-i-c's lead the default themes)
[04:44] <elmo> :-P
[04:44] <Kamion> ah, for a funded position that appointment policy makes perfect sense
[04:44] <sabdf1> elmo: almost certainly not :-)
[04:44] <sabdf1> but we'll see!
[04:44] <simira> sabdf1: I think this sounds really good
[04:44] <Seveas> "THIS IS NOT THE FINAL ARTWORK"
[04:44] <sabdf1> so, folks who don't like the default theme are welcome to join alternative theme teams
[04:44] <imbrandon> lol
[04:44] <sabdf1> or start new ones
[04:45] <sabdf1> this way, there's room for the tangoista's
[04:45] <Kamion> we're still debating how the distro team meetings are going to work for Edgy (Ian's collating input on useful timezones)
[04:45] <sabdf1> and the tangerinists
[04:45] <Kamion> but both Frank and Ken are in fairly central timezones so it seems unlikely that that would present a problem
[04:45] <sabdf1> we want to have a set of themes in edgy that covers high-speed-low-complexity, high-contrast-for-accessibility, etc
[04:45] <Kamion> going to work> with regard to scheduling I mean
[04:45] <Hobbsee> on artwork, was the decision to have the same theme across kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu, just in different colours, implemented?  I never heard the final decision on that.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> (sorry if it's too offtopic)
[04:46] <sabdf1> right now the art guys (troy sobotka leading) are organising nominations for the arts council
[04:46] <sabdf1> and the cc will be asked to appoint them in the next week or two
[04:46] <sabdf1> so folks who are interested - please go over to the art team list and participate
[04:46] <sabdf1> any concerns, issues or questions?
[04:47] <sabdf1> sorry, i've been winging it a little on this one but i think it's off to a reasonable start and i wanted to get balls rolling
[04:47] <simira> can we get noticed earlier for the next cc?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> sabdf1: my question above, if it's not too offtopic
[04:47] <Kamion> "balls will roll"> sounds painful
[04:47] <sabdf1> Hobbsee: no, wehave an official policy of independence
[04:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I don't think kubuntu or xubuntu want to see that
[04:48] <Hobbsee> sabdf1: excellent!  :D
[04:48] <sabdf1> the a-i-c's are absolutely NOT required to enforce any consistency
[04:48] <Kamion> simira: we covered that at the start of the meeting
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: *exactly*
[04:48] <simira> Kamion: ah. sorry.
[04:48] <Kamion> 15:05 < sabdf1> apologies for that
[04:48] <Kamion> 15:06 < sabdf1> we are being pretty good about spreading the timezones around, though
[04:48] <Kamion> 15:06 < Kamion> it was a bit confused this time round due to my vacation and the intervening conferences
[04:48] <Kamion> 15:06 < Kamion> we'll try to do the next one properly
[04:48] <sabdf1> of course we expect them to learn from one another and spread the best ideas
[04:48] <sabdf1> but we want the KDE folks to feel like Kubuntu is *Genuine KDE*
[04:48] <simira> lol
[04:48] <sabdf1> and the same for the Gnome and XFCE guys with Ubuntu and Xubuntu
[04:48] <apokryphos> exactly
[04:48] <Hobbsee> hehe good
[04:48] <sabdf1> there are some places that bitesus
[04:49] <ogra_ibook> "collaboration to the *core*" :)
[04:49] <sabdf1> like the bug reports from folks with both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed
[04:49] <sabdf1> who wonder why oo.o went blue
[04:49] <sabdf1> but maybe we can find nice solutions to those too, one by one
[04:49] <elmo> (they should probably just conflict?)
[04:49] <sabdf1> any other issues?
[04:49] <imbrandon> elmo, no
[04:50] <ogra_ibook> elmo, careful, dont let Keybuk read that :)
[04:50] <sabdf1> elmo: some folks might run a thin client server with users who have their own login prefs
[04:50] <Seveas> elmo, not if you don't want keybuk to chase you with a large pointy stick
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hehe - but who *doesnt* want to be chased with a long pointy stick?
[04:50] <elmo> Seveas/ogra: you're thinking of something else
[04:51] <elmo> keybuk gets annoyed about misuse of conflicts where replaces is better
[04:51] <ogra_ibook> elmo, i'm thinking of my battle with the screensavers ...
[04:51] <elmo> but sabdfl's right, conflicting isn't a good idea
[04:52] <Seveas> anything else or shall we move on?
[04:52] <Seveas> *silence*
[04:52] <Hobbsee> move on
[04:52] <sabdf1> ok
[04:52] <jjesse> i guess that means move on :)
[04:52] <Seveas> yeah
[04:53] <Seveas> did any of the locoteam leaders make it today?
[04:53] <Seveas> YukiCuss, ok, good to see at least one 
[04:54] <YukiCuss> seeing no one else, shall i go then?
[04:54] <Seveas> yeah, please do
[04:54] <YukiCuss> okay!
[04:54] <YukiCuss> basically, i'm here just to give a progress update on the Australian team.
[04:54] <YukiCuss> we've become more of an `active' team, and are here as part of a wish to be an `official' (recognised) team.
[04:55] <YukiCuss> we've been having regular fortnightly meetings for about 3~4 months, in a self-regulating manner.
[04:55] <Kamion> I thought we recognised the .au team a while back
[04:55] <YukiCuss> there was no official decision on that, so i have understood.
[04:55] <YukiCuss> i spoke to Matthias Ulrichs about it, and he said that we were proposed until we next turned up and discussed it.
[04:55] <Kamion> give me a moment to dig
[04:56] <YukiCuss> at the moment, we're still here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList , on `proposed'.
[04:56] <sabdf1> i need to step afk now. seveas, could you stand in my place for the member discussions? we'll give elmo the casting vote if needed
[04:57] <Seveas> sabdf1, will do, thanks!
[04:57] <sabdf1> ok, i'll review the log later
[04:57] <Hobbsee> bye sabdf1 
[04:57] <Seveas> and have fun in eire!
[04:57] <YukiCuss> have fun mark!
[04:57] <sabdf1> thanks all see you again soon
[04:57] <siccness> Catcha
[04:57] <Kamion> perhaps I'm wrong; I can't find it in the logs, so I'll assume smurfix is correct
[04:57] <Kamion> bye Mark
[04:57] <YukiCuss> Kamion: *nods*
[04:58] <YukiCuss> shall i continue a review of our activity, then?
[04:58] <Kamion> pleased do
[04:58] <Kamion> s/d//
[04:58] <YukiCuss> sure.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> jenda: dont worry, youv'e got ages to wait
[04:58] <YukiCuss> so, we've been having an active IRC channel, over the course of which we've been supporting local users who have been asking for help.
[04:59] <YukiCuss> as with our mailing list, where we've been discussing local matters.
[04:59] <YukiCuss> such matters include the recent government legislation that has come into review, which could affect FOSS in Australia.
[04:59] <YukiCuss> our members are fairly active contributors to ubuntu, including Ubuntu Members itself.
[05:00] <YukiCuss> (from the team here now includes elkbuntop, Kamping_Kaiser, siccness, Hobbsee, thoreauputic and lucychili (!))
[05:00] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:00] <YukiCuss> and shenki! dear me.
[05:00] <YukiCuss> we've also been compiling lists of local vendors who support (or do NOT support) Ubuntu,
[05:00] <Seveas> YukiCuss, that is a really good initiative
[05:00] <YukiCuss> and ones who do or do not agree to ship without Microsoft products.
[05:00] <Seveas> in NL we're going to do the same soon
[05:01] <YukiCuss> neat! :)
[05:01] <Seveas> would be nice to share some experiences (but not in this meeting)
[05:01] <YukiCuss> there's also been emails going back and forth to PC magazines about including Ubuntu, such as APC (arguably one of the most famous ones around here).
[05:01] <Seveas> YukiCuss, sounds like -au is doing a great job
[05:02] <YukiCuss> we're operating smoothly! ^_^
[05:02] <YukiCuss> we have a nice community spirit, overcoming a few hurdles in the past few fortnights.
[05:02] <Kamion> YukiCuss: how are you linked with Linux Australia, if at all?
[05:02] <YukiCuss> and there've been a few (physical) meetups including the Dapper release parties.
[05:02] <YukiCuss> Kamion: we have no official connection with Linux Australia, but we do have members who are also members (or active contributors) to L.A.
[05:04] <Kamion> nod
[05:04] <YukiCuss> so, that's the summary of some of our past activities. (since we last attended, or so!)
[05:04] <shenki> Kamion: linux australia has been conducting an awareness campaign and petition regarding local DRM laws, something which we discussed at our meeting tonight about  getting involved with
[05:06] <YukiCuss> if we could manage it, having backing from a company or companies (local ones, as well as Canonical) would help turn the tides with regards to these proposals.
[05:06] <Seveas> anyone have a question for YukiCuss ?
[05:06] <Kamion> ok, from some of the roster of members I doubt you'll have a problem
[05:06] <Kamion> (as locoteam)
[05:06] <YukiCuss> *nods*
[05:08] <Kamion> the local CD distribution thing is a very useful initiative to take some of the strain off shipit
[05:08] <Kamion> thank you for that
[05:08] <Kamion> do you know if Peter's going to be updating that to dapper?
[05:08] <YukiCuss> well, we've had quite a few members partaking in that!
[05:08] <YukiCuss> i hope that he will be, but i haven't been able to get in contact with him very recently.
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> Kamion, we dont have many dappers yet ;)
[05:08] <YukiCuss> he has been doing an excellent job, though.
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> absolutely
[05:09] <lukketto> Hi!
[05:10] <Seveas> hi lukketto, we'll get to member candidates soon
[05:10] <lukketto> OK, thank you!
[05:10] <Seveas> Kamion, do we need votes on ubuntu-au?
[05:10] <Kamion> ok, if there are no more questions for Yuki, I move that we approve ubuntu-au
[05:10] <Seveas> seconded
[05:10] <Kamion> elmo: ?
[05:11] <elmo> +1
[05:11] <Kamion> YukiCuss: ok, go ahead and get in touch with smurfix for whatever you need there
[05:11] <Kamion> thanks
[05:11] <YukiCuss> alright! ^_^
[05:11] <YukiCuss> thank you very much!
[05:11] <lucychili> \o/
[05:11] <Seveas> congratz!
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay.
[05:11] <jjesse> congrats
[05:11] <Kamion> any other locoteam folks here?
[05:11] <rodarvus> congratulations :)
[05:11] <Kamion> for those on the agenda
[05:12] <Seveas> going down in 3
[05:12] <Seveas> 2
[05:12] <Seveas> 1
[05:12] <Seveas> ok, member candidates
[05:12] <lukketto> Hi everybody!
[05:12] <Seveas> Rolando Blanco / whitesoft?
[05:12] <lukketto> I'm Luca Gervasio
[05:12] <Seveas> are you around?
[05:12] <Seveas> lukketto, please wait your turn
[05:12] <lukketto> sorry!
[05:12] <Seveas> np 
[05:13] <lukketto> :)
[05:13] <ompaul> Seveas, ask again methinks
[05:13] <Seveas> no whitesoft in sight
[05:13] <Kamion> jenda: here?
[05:13] <Seveas> jenda, that means you're up - please give us your 3-liner
[05:14] <jenda> here it comes:
[05:14] <jenda> I'm a Law student in Prague, Czech Republic. Through Free Software and Ubuntu, I have developed an interest in intellectual property law (my mind probably follows similar lines to the Piratbyran).
[05:14] <jenda> Within Ubuntu, I have joined and supported the Easyubuntu Team ever since it's (re)birth, I have revived the Marketing Team two months ago and we will have our first meeting here tomorrow. I've also been active with the New User Network and on my own exploring what this project could look to do in the future.
[05:14] <jenda> Most recently, I've begun helping the Czech community get up and get together in several things - the IRC channel, translating the CoC and a lot more, and of course, local marketing. I made a speech about the localisation of Ubuntu to the local OpenSolaris-UG, which ondrej couldn't make it to.
[05:14] <jenda> My wiki page describes in more detail: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JendaVancura
[05:14] <jenda> I'll take this opportunity to ping some of those that might be able to testify on my activity:
[05:14] <jenda> ondrej, robotgeek, nalioth, ompaul, gnomefreak, silbs, nixternal, ptomes, 
[05:14] <jenda> eek... that's a three page three liner, sorry ;)
[05:15] <robotgeek> i can vouch for jenda on the Marketing Team, and has helped more collaboration with the doc team. 
[05:15] <gnomefreak> he has been working with me to try and bring -nun up and moving foward and he helps alot in #ubuntu
[05:15] <Seveas> jenda is indeed very active in quite a few places since a while ago - keeps poking me for things
[05:16] <jjesse> i have seen jenda in #ubuntu-doc offering help
[05:16] <Kamion> jenda's wiki essay^Wpage looks pretty good
[05:16] <Seveas> reviving dead things like a loose cannon
[05:16] <Seveas> (which is meant as a compliment)
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> no matter where i go jenda s been doing stuff, cant escape ;)
[05:16] <ondrej> jenda is helping on #ubuntu-cz and with other stuff on Czech LoCo Team, he also helped to settle down some of personal problems in Czech community
[05:17] <Kamion> jenda: were you (remotely?) involved in the marketing discussions at the recent conference? I wasn't involved in them myself so didn't notice either way
[05:17] <nixternal> one thing about jenda is the common question..."What has Jenda been doing for Ubuntu?"...my answer is simple...What hasn't Jenda been doing...Jenda is doing a remarkable job organizing a Marketing team with great community support
[05:17] <nalioth> jenda is a great asset to Ubuntu in his efforts on the New User Network and the marketing team
[05:17] <Kamion> but I know there were some marketing things on the schedule
[05:17] <jenda> Kamion: Yes, I'm participating in that. I put the meeting on the schedule.
[05:17] <ondrej> jenda is also one of few people who offered help with cz loco and he actually _did_ some work :-)
[05:17] <Kamion> jenda: how did they go?
[05:18] <nixternal> jenda has taken much of his time and focused his attention on getting the marketing team up to par for the Spread Ubuntu campaign as well as created contacts (that support his every effort) from w/in Canonical
[05:18] <jenda> Kamion: the meeting will be tomorrow and we hope to get a new, unified marketing team going on LP, mailing list, wiki and #ubuntu-marketing.
[05:18] <ondrej> but real question is: do we really want him in ubuntu, because he will not give anybody any rest :-D
[05:18] <jenda> ondrej: thank you 
[05:18] <jjesse> +1 ondrej
[05:18] <nixternal> lol ondrej ;)
[05:18] <nixternal> +100
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:18] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:19] <ptomes> I appreciate Jenda's capability of help with presentation abou Czech localisation and his contribution to Czech community including forum moderating.
[05:19] <Kamion> ok, all sounds good to me, +1 based on the sustained/significant marketing and czech contributions
[05:19] <Seveas> +1 from me too
[05:19] <Seveas> elmo, ?
[05:19] <Kamion> and for bugging me about this meeting until I gave in
[05:19] <elmo> +1
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Kamion: hehe, that'd be right
[05:19] <Seveas> jenda, congratulations!
[05:19] <nixternal> CONGRATS JENDA!!!!
[05:19] <matthewrevell> Congrats Jenda :)
[05:19] <jenda> Thanks, everyone :)
[05:19] <Seveas> Joey Stanford?
[05:19] <jjesse> congrats jenda
[05:19] <gnomefreak> congrats jenda 
[05:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> woot. awsome jenda 
[05:20] <nixternal> feel the love ;)
[05:20] <imbrandon> congrats jenda
[05:20] <rodarvus> congrats
[05:20] <nixternal> now that is Ubuntu at it's finest
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:20] <lucychili> =)
[05:20] <Seveas> Jon Dowd?
[05:20] <nalioth> y'all got other channels to feel the love in, let's keep up with the meeting
[05:20] <Seveas> Maxence Dunnewind / Sp4rky?
[05:21] <ptomes> Jenda: I am glad to see you as a Ubuntu member, my friend and colleague.
[05:21] <Seveas> lukketto, (LucaGervasio) - you're up. If any of the people I called before still show up, please poke me.
[05:22] <Seveas> lukketto, ?
[05:22] <lukketto> ok
[05:22] <lukketto> I'm Luca Gervasio, 31, living in Italy and I'm a mathematician. I work in a University where last month my team developed and published a new way to identify objects using mathematical analysis.
[05:23] <lukketto> I joined the Edubuntu Documentation, Edubuntu School Support and Edubuntu Testers teams, to spread the use of Ubuntu in pubblic schools where, often, the lack of funds is a serious problem(!). I noticed that kids are very happy about an operating system targeted on them and they find the use of PCs more easier than using other OSs. If we work on kids bringing them different options, one day they will be able to choose among d
[05:23] <lukketto> Promoting Ubuntu needs documentation in your language and for this reason I decided to become a member of the Ubuntu Italian Translator Team (thanks MDKE!) and at present we're translating the new "Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter"(UWN) too.
[05:24] <Kamion> you're a member of a lot of teams; how do you keep up? :)
[05:24] <lukketto> I work in my office...
[05:24] <Seveas> heh, I know the feeling 
[05:24] <lukketto> if my boss sees me...
[05:24] <lukketto> I'm fired :D
[05:24] <Kamion> btw, cut off at "choose among d"
[05:25] <ogra> then you got a space and a d more than me :)
[05:25] <lukketto> Actually I work in a University
[05:25] <lukketto> ...it is very interesting spreading Ubuntu in it
[05:25] <Seveas> ogra, can you cheerlead for his edubuntu work?
[05:26] <ogra> Seveas, i have never seen him around in #edubuntu and dunno where the doc team guys are that might have worked with him
[05:26] <Seveas> and are there ane people from .it to help ogra cheerleading?
[05:27] <lukketto> (I'm a new member)
[05:27] <ogra> lukketto, btw, since you are so much involved in edubuntu stuff, why didnt you apply for membership at the edubuntu council ? 
[05:28] <ogra> lukketto, membership implies that you already did some contribution, joining the teams doesnt suffice
[05:28] <lukketto> Sure, for this in edubuntu I'm very new...
[05:29] <ogra> you should at least have some howto or some wikipages written or made some artwork or something else that counts as contribution and is measureable
[05:29] <Seveas> lukketto, sounds like you're doing a good job, keep up that good work
[05:29] <lukketto> ...my contribution in edubuntu works under the courtains...
[05:29] <lukketto> Spreading ubuntu in pubblic school is not easy
[05:29] <lukketto> (edubuntu)
[05:29] <jsgotangco> admittedly, these edubuntu teams aren't that tangible with regards to team output at the moment
[05:29] <ogra> lukketto, well, the council needs something it can measure
[05:30] <lukketto> I have to fight with teacher that don't know how to switch on a pc...
[05:30] <lukketto> ...anc that think that windows is the only solution for the internet...
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lukketto, how long have you been involved in using ubuntu, and how long contributing?
[05:30] <Seveas> But I'm afraid that without being able to confirm contributions I am going to say -1 for now - maybe you can work together with me in the next weeks gathering testimonials from people so the decision wil be easier
[05:30] <lukketto> I have been using linux (RH first and Debian later) for about 5 years and Ubuntu since Hoary. What brought me to Ubuntu? I'm an "idealist" and so, when I heard about a community that has for its motto "Linux for the human beings", what do you think I did? I immediately joined it and signed the code of conduct!
[05:31] <jjesse> i had to apply twice i think before i made the council, just need to hav emore people back up your work
[05:31] <lukketto> But something is going on in the pubblic school....
[05:31] <Kamion> OK, sounds like we may have to discount the Edubuntu contributions for now since the Edubuntu folks haven't been aware of them, although the Italian translation work should be tangible
[05:32] <Kamion> any Italian translators here?
[05:32] <lukketto> ...thanks to my girlfriend (she is a teacher) I introduced me in several schools ;) ...
[05:32] <lukketto> Kamion I tried to contact MDKE...
[05:32] <lukketto> ....but he is offline :(
[05:33] <Kamion> (I haven't quite figured out how to get Launchpad to tell me who translated what)
[05:33] <Seveas> Kamion, -EIMPOSSIBLE
[05:33] <Kamion> (though somebody claimed the other day that it's possible)
[05:33] <Seveas> really?
[05:34] <ompaul> https://launchpad.net/people/gervasio/+translations
[05:34] <Kamion> yeah, it was in person though and they didn't give details
[05:34] <Seveas> ompaul, those aren't the actual translations
[05:34] <Kamion> ompaul: at the single-string level, not the template level
[05:34] <ompaul> ahh
[05:35] <lukketto> I'm an official italian ubuntu translator, as you can see I work on the wiki in the italian site
[05:36] <Kamion> hmm, ok, this is basically our fault because the meeting was scheduled with so little notice, so not as many people as usual can turn up to offer corroboration
[05:36] <Seveas> true that
[05:36] <Kamion> lukketto: right, the problem is figuring out how to separate out your contributions from those of the other translators so that we can get an idea of how much stuff you've done
[05:36] <Kamion> unfortunately the tools aren't quite adequate for this; I'm going to file a launchpad bug about that if there isn't one already
[05:37] <Kamion> lukketto: would you mind persuading people who've worked with you to show up in two weeks' time, and we can talk about it then?
[05:37] <lifeless> rosetta karma is a indicator of activity
[05:37] <Kamion> this isn't a rejection at all - it's just good to gather second opinions
[05:37] <Seveas> Kamion, bug 80
[05:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80 in rosetta "cannot see who put in bad translation" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/80
[05:38] <lukketto> Kamion: I' trying to contact my "team leader" but it seems he is offline :(
[05:38] <Kamion> lukketto: yeah, mdke said he wouldn't be able to make this meeting unfortunately
[05:38] <YukiCuss> afaik, translation karma has gone up as of late.
[05:39] <Kamion> if mdke is happy with the work you've been doing, I'll have no issue
[05:39] <Seveas> same here (but next time I won't be voting)
[05:39] <Kamion> mdke is normally around, and if he won't be around next week I'll make sure to get a comment from him in advance
[05:39] <Kamion> er next fortnight
[05:39] <lukketto> Kamion: I'll try now with an email...I hope he is online
[05:40] <Seveas> lukketto, he isn't - he already told us that
[05:40] <Kamion> Seveas: this is kind of the other way up from that bug
[05:40] <Kamion> going from person to list of translations rather than from translation to contributor
[05:40] <ogra> for the edubuntu-it stuff try to get hold of bimberi, he's doing lots of edubuntu-it work
[05:41] <Hobbsee> ping?
[05:41] <Seveas> Hobbsee, pong
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Seveas: thanks, thought my connection was going down.
[05:42] <Seveas> lukketto, sorry that we have to disappoint you for now, but please come back in two weeks time when the meeting datetime will be known to more people
[05:43] <lukketto> Seveas: ok
[05:44] <Seveas> rodarvus, you're up next
[05:44] <rodarvus> hi there
[05:44] <rodarvus> Rodrigo Novo ("rodarvus"), Canonical Employee, I was at UDS Paris last week
[05:44] <rodarvus> I'm working on Edubuntu, LTSP and on the One Laptop per Child projects (and some other unrelated Ubuntu packages)
[05:44] <rodarvus> In the past I was developer (and then lead developer) for the Conectiva Linux distro (at Conectiva), did performance/optimization C development at Terra Lycos, developed an OpenOffice.org derivative (at Freedows Consortium) and did development on the Maemo Platform SDK (at Nokia Institute of Technology)
[05:44] <Seveas> ogra, start the cheerleading please ;)
[05:44] <rodarvus> :)
[05:44] <ogra> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[05:44] <ogra> ro 
[05:45] <ogra> dra
[05:45] <ogra> vus
[05:45] <ogra> !!
[05:45] <rodarvus> haha
[05:45] <jjesse> lol
[05:45] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:45] <jsgotangco> \o_ rodarvus _o/
[05:45] <rodarvus> rodarvus!
[05:45] <rodarvus> oops :)
[05:45] <ogra> hehe
[05:46] <ogra> rodrigo and i met in paris and i'm eager to work with himm on edubuntu ...
[05:46] <Seveas> rodarvus, you do know that it will be hard to replace JaneW ;)
[05:46] <rodarvus> Seveas, for this we'll have RichardW ;)
[05:46] <jsgotangco> well he's not replacing JaneW =)
[05:47] <ogra> indeed i cant do much about work related stuff yet, since there were only two weeks we worked together yet ... but he was very helpful at the spec discussions and i trust his skills to take the technical lead on edubuntu
[05:47] <ogra> s/do/say/
[05:47] <Kamion> https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/51125
[05:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51125 in rosetta "can't get details of a translator's activities" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[05:48] <ogra> he also met the whole of the CC in person, so i guess they can judge themselves :)
[05:48] <Seveas> heh
[05:48] <Kamion> well, it's always difficult to deal impartially with new employees of course, but it's good to hear that rodarvus dived into the discussions in Paris helpfully
[05:49] <Seveas> I only have the usual 'no 2 months of activity yet' argument, but that's a moot point for a canonical employee I guess
[05:49] <Kamion> and I expect to get sustained contributions by virtue of the fact that who on earth quits a job after a month if they don't have to
[05:49] <rodarvus> indeed
[05:49] <ogra> especially with such sexy colleagues like me 
[05:50] <jsgotangco> ughh
[05:50] <Kamion> rodarvus: are you finding your way around ok?
[05:50] <ogra> lol
[05:50] <rodarvus> Kamion, sure, its coming along nicely
[05:50] <Kamion> incidentally, I'd never have recognised you from your photo on LP
[05:51] <rodarvus> I had grown beard last week (but not on the LP photo)
[05:51] <Kamion> I'm assuming you have a mentor, but feel free to shout in the direction of pretty much any of core-dev for guidance if need be
[05:52] <rodarvus> Kamion, ogra is helping me a lot, indeed - thanks a lot for the offer - I'll surely bug core-dev in the next few weeks :)
[05:52] <Kamion> righto, +1 as far as I'm concerned
[05:52] <rodarvus> (starting today, probably)
[05:52] <Seveas> +1
[05:52] <Seveas> elmo, ?
[05:52] <elmo> +1
[05:52] <Seveas> heh
[05:52] <rodarvus> thanks guys :)
[05:52] <Seveas> ok, congratz rodarvus !
[05:52] <jsgotangco> \o_ rodarvus _o/
[05:52] <ogra> welcom rodarvus 
[05:52] <ogra> !!
[05:52] <gnomefreak> congrats
[05:52] <Kamion> done
[05:53] <Seveas> indeed, nice work all 
[05:53] <rodarvus> I promise to work hard to keep the good name of Ubuntu
[05:53] <ogra> else we'll just rename it :P
[05:53] <Kamion> is Paul Schulz here?
[05:53] <Seveas> Kamion, a CC meeting next week would not be too unreasonable I think, given that this one was poorly announced and it's been 4 weeks since the last one
[05:53] <Kamion> honestly I'm not sure I have the stamina :P
[05:53] <Seveas> hehe
[05:53] <rodarvus> Seveas, I believe there is a Techical Board meeting next week
[05:54] <rodarvus> aren't TB & CC meetings supposed not to overlap?
[05:54] <Seveas> Kamion, in any case, *please* schedule it soon and notify $world
[05:54] <Kamion> I'd rather just keep to the usual schedule, but schedule it now
[05:54] <Kamion> elmo: can you get to Mark's schedule via Claire?
[05:54] <Seveas> now would be soon enough
[05:54] <elmo> sure
[05:55] <Kamion> any times looking particularly good?
[05:55] <elmo> yeah, anything but two weeks from today
[05:55] <Kamion> we should probably cycle it a bit - either 2000 or 0800 perhaps
[05:55] <elmo> sabdfl is away for 10-23
[05:55] <Kamion> oh, doh
[05:56] <jenda> (0800 is cruel on the americans)
[05:56] <Kamion> erm. how about we do next week at 0800 UTC and then go back to three weeks after that?
[05:56] <Seveas> jenda, 2000 is cruel on the australians ;)
[05:56] <jenda> hehe ;)
[05:56] <Kamion> jenda: we hardly ever do that time, so they can probably cope this once
[05:56] <elmo> afternoon of the 6th is possible
[05:56] <Hobbsee> Seveas: you bet it is.
[05:56] <Kamion> 6th is a Thursday
[05:56] <elmo> alternatively we could dig up mako, if we can find him sabdfl is optional
[05:57] <jenda> Kamion: true, it's only fair.
[05:57] <elmo> kamion: yeah, he's not available on the tuesday
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Kamion: 2100UTC isnt so bad, or 1300 UTC
[05:57] <Kamion> elmo: let's do 2000 UTC in two weeks time then and hope that mako's around; that time is civilised for him
[05:57] <Seveas> Hobbsee, we cycle meetings *because* we can't please everyone - so no point in complaining about a simgle meeting ;)
[05:57] <Kamion> we can do the 0800 thing some other time
[05:57] <elmo> kamion: shall we confirm with mako before getting people's hopes up?
[05:58] <Kamion> elmo: ok, I'll send mail
[05:58] <Kamion> and I'll take responsibility for announcing it
[05:58] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i realise that, i was commenting on decent timezones for aussies, if you wanted them to be there in particular.  i got struck by a vicious kde keyboard bug, hence the disconnect before, so came in on the backend
[05:58] <Seveas> Kamion, I'll send jenda to chase you ;)
[05:59] <jenda> Seveas: you know what I'm good at ;)
[05:59] <Seveas> Anyone have any other business for the CC?
[05:59] <Seveas> going once
[05:59] <Kamion> mail sent
[05:59] <Seveas> going twice
[06:00] <Seveas> ok, meeting ends! Thanks everyone, see you in two weeks (hopefully)
[06:00] <YukiCuss> sold!
[06:00] <ompaul> to YukiCuss 
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. fraid not
[06:00] <Seveas> Kamion, did you do launchpad magic today?
[06:00] <YukiCuss> ompaul?
[06:00] <ompaul> sold to YukiCuss 
[06:00] <elkbuntu> YukiCuss, Sold to the man in the astronaut suit?
[06:00] <Kamion> Seveas: yep
[06:00] <YukiCuss> oh, excellent!
[06:00] <Kamion> I'll do the wiki edit too
[06:00] <YukiCuss> elkbuntu: more or less. :)
[06:00] <Seveas> ok
[06:01] <Seveas> then I can have dinner, fiancee is already looking mad at me
[06:01] <Seveas> bye all
[06:01] <Hobbsee> hehe bye Seveas 
[06:01] <lukketto> bye
[06:01] <YukiCuss> Seveas: nighty night!
[06:01] <ompaul> cheers Seveas 
[06:01] <Hobbsee> you should never let a woman look mad at you - it almost always means trouble.
[06:02] <ogra> depends on the level of madness :)
[06:02] <Hobbsee> ogra: all woman can get very high levels of madness - it increases exponentially.
[06:02] <ogra> and the kind ...
[06:02] <Kamion> I've /msged mdke about the Listiquette discussion
[06:02] <lukketto> ...and if she is mad :)
[06:02] <Hobbsee> ogra: true
[06:03] <ogra> haha
[06:04] <Kamion> wiki edit done
[06:04] <Hobbsee> ogra: i'm sure i'll find something, maybe about how long it's taking for the screensavers to be fixed?  :P
[06:05] <ogra> heh
[06:06] <ogra> i'm trained on people ranting at me about screensavers ... you get used to it after a while ...
[06:06] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:06] <ogra> (i hope upstream gets a settings button into gss in edgy time)
[06:06] <Hobbsee> ogra: yeah, but you've had a woman do it to you?  that works even better, cos we can scream louder and higher :P
[06:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:07] <Hobbsee> yes, that'd be nice :)
[06:07] <ogra> would solve 100s of diplicate bugs at once :)
[06:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:07] <ogra> no i mean gnome-screensaver
[06:07] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:07] <Hobbsee> ahhh...yep
[06:07] <ogra> which hasnt one at all
[06:07] <YukiCuss> ciao all!
[06:08] <Hobbsee> ogra: --> #ubuntu-motu
[06:08] <ogra> yep
[06:08] <gnomefreak> while i have smart people in one channel what team (or person) works with bugbuddy?
[06:09] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ask dholbach, no idea
[06:09] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[06:33] <amachu> hi
[06:33] <amachu> everyone.. this is ramadas... representing Tamil Team
[06:34] <Seveas> amachu, meeting ended half an hour ago
[06:34] <amachu> Oh!
[06:35] <amachu> Seveas: when is the next meeting?
[06:35] <Seveas> amachu, most likely in 2 weeks
[06:35] <Seveas> we're waiting for confirmation from mako
[06:35] <Kamion> subscribe to CommunityCouncilAgenda to be notified of the time
[07:11] <robitaille> @topic
[07:12] <robitaille> Seveas,  how often Ubugtu  reloads the topics?
[07:15] <Seveas> robitaille, hourly
[07:18] <robitaille> Seveas,   I added the marketing meeting 3 hours ago....it just showed up when I reloaded the topic just now
[07:18] <Seveas> odd
[08:09] <jenda> @schedule Prague
[08:09] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Prague: 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jun 21:00: Marketing Team | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:10] <jenda> yay
[08:10] <GazzaK> thats cool
[10:34] <KenSentMe> @schedule amsterdam
[10:34] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jun 21:00: Marketing Team | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[12:00] <profoX`> @schedule Brussels
[12:00] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Brussels: 28 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jun 21:00: Marketing Team | 29 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team