[12:09] LaserJock: cool. thanks for testing === caravena [n=caravena@pc-148-70-86-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ACFA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:28] if anyone wants to find some newbie mistakes, my first package of a gaim-plugin that has two sources files is here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2511 . lintian is saying "bad-distribution-in-changes-file edgy", can I just ignore that? [12:29] yes, just ignore that === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pazzo [n=thomas@host130-250-static.72-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@dD577040E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond|away is now known as fbond [01:00] siretart: revu password recovery is failing, varying from not getting the encrypted string, to getting a traceback (IOError: Broken pipe) === JanC [n=janc@dD577040E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-93-43.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] argh... === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hawkwind [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hawkwind [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jabra_ [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] Heya gang [02:03] hey [02:05] Hi zul [02:05] hey bddebian how is it going? [02:05] Same ol' man, you? [02:05] watching bad 80s videos and xen [02:06] Heh [02:12] siretart: ping? [02:18] hmmm [02:19] when does it show new upload to REVU ? [02:19] nm [02:19] lol [02:20] hmm [02:20] i still miss one package [02:20] which doesnt show ther === kr4z [n=kr4z@stjhnf0111w-142163099216.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] anyone here know of a amd64 kernel that has xt_connmark and xt_CONNMARK modules built in? the generic kernel maybe? [02:33] ther "server" one doesn't seem to [02:34] suppose I could just look at the packages ;P === rpedro [n=rpedro@87.196.0.221] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] Yeah, ya bum :-) [02:35] :-o [02:36] this page is taking a while to load [02:36] lalala [02:38] ok, that was pretty useless [02:38] tried to look at the files in the package with the web interface and it timed out and said it couldn't find the package === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionelp_ [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:06] anyone here a revu admin? [03:08] i'm guessing not until ajmitch wakes up [03:08] ah [03:08] thanks [03:08] I believe revu is having some pretty serious technical difficulties [03:09] what's going on? [03:13] revu can't recover passwords and isn't moving uploads from incoming, updating page, etc... === Kaloz [i=kaloz@openwrt.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] yeah, I'm not sure if siretart has narrowed down the problems [03:15] oh, are the problems known? [03:16] well, stuff seems to not work once in a while [03:16] and and admin needs to clean out the queue [03:17] actually [03:17] i just uploaded [03:17] and recovered a password === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] like 1h ago [03:18] yeah, it seems to do it sporadically === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] is there any place where I can request packages for universe packaging? [03:19] hm [03:19] Automatix users want ManDVD, and there are currently no debian packages of it [03:19] it's a simple one-binary C++/KDE program [03:20] setup your own repo till than ? [03:20] currently we are using a wiki page for packaging requests [03:20] LaserJock: which page is this? [03:21] nexu: I will for now; but it'd be cool to have this in Edgy without relying on unofficial repos [03:21] jdong: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New [03:21] crimsun: thanks very much [03:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates was what I was thinking about [03:23] Candidates is linked from New ; I used New intentionally for the links to WNPP [03:23] (and mentors.d.n) [03:23] heh [03:24] yep; figured that part out [03:24] the package I wanted was on none of the listed lists [03:24] so I'm having an automatix developer put it on the candidate list [03:25] who maintain this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates [03:25] "the community" [03:26] nexu: Thanks for volunteering :-) [03:26] heh [03:26] spoon! [03:27] lol [03:27] jdong: I had a question for you. I just got an email for what looks like a scilab 4 backports request [03:27] bug #50840 [03:27] Malone bug 50840 in dapper-backports "scilab 4" [Untriaged,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50840 [03:28] that one's already triaged. [03:29] no movement until it builds in Edgy -> pool, etc., etc. [03:29] umm, but there isn't any scilab 4 packages [03:30] so what is there to backport? [03:30] meaning it doesn't exist upstream even? [03:30] upstream upstream [03:30] Uhm rejectage :-) [03:30] yeah upstream upstream exists [03:30] Oh [03:30] then it's a viable backport req [03:31] bddebian :] [03:31] it just needs to get into Edgy first, etc. [03:31] yeah, like that's going to happen [03:31] Why not? [03:31] it's orphaned in Debian and it doesn't exactly have the greatest license [03:31] why, is it blocked on Duke Nukem Forever's release or something? [03:32] haha [03:32] LaserJock: eh, it's a backport req. The world ain't gonna end [yet] . :) [03:33] crimsun: no, I just thought that you had to have a package to backport before you made a request ;-) [03:33] LaserJock: What crack do you smoke man. And do you have any to share? ;-P [03:33] LaserJock: generally, yes, but I've become a bit more lenient isntead of rejecting straightoff. ;) [03:34] on the other hand, my typing has taken a nosedive [03:34] well, I wasn't going to reject it, I just wondered if somebody sneaked in a package I didn't know about :-) [03:34] apt-get install zomgponies, word [03:35] yay xen is finally compiling [03:35] crimsun: :-) [03:36] zul: rockin' [03:36] crimsun: er with 2.6.16 [03:37] zul: still, nifty [03:37] (yeah, getting it compiling with our 2.6.15 would be a major feat) [03:37] next make the deb and see if it works ;) [03:38] crimsun: 2.6.17 [03:39] crimsun: Know anything about this one? :-) Bug #5683 [03:39] Malone bug 5683 in insight "insight: merge new debian version" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/5683 [03:40] must have been some other crimsun, hmm [03:40] ah well. [03:41] hey, the bug status is still valid. Neat. [03:42] there, notified. [03:42] thanks bddebian [03:45] :-) [03:45] It still needs merged? [03:46] oh yeah [03:46] (6.1+cvs.2004.08.11-1ubuntu1) [03:46] Ah [03:51] neat, time for some bzr branching [03:54] all that and I STILL have the wrong package uploaded to REVU. [03:54] hello everybody === jdong notes that rhythmbox 0.9.5 has landed in edgy :) [03:55] and it even is satisfied by the dapper build environment :) [03:56] awesome, more crack [03:57] :) [03:57] edgy is supposed to be crackful, right? [03:59] to some degree === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar [04:01] Heya antinobody [04:03] hey bddebian [04:04] I think I finally got the right agistudio merge uploaded to REVU, and it only took like 4 tries [04:05] Nice === fbond is now known as fbond|away [04:06] I've decided upon an ignorance-based learning system for this merging thing [04:06] I'll try to merge something, and when I inevitably find I don't know what they hell I'm doing [04:06] I beg people to explain things [04:07] Eventually, the theory is I'll know what I'm doing [04:09] noble but flawed [04:10] it relies on someone else knowing what {s,}he's doing [04:10] heh [04:10] I don't at all mind punting all questions to bddebian or LaserJock, though =) [04:10] lol [04:10] antinobody: Well I have been thinking that for years now and I still don't know shit :-) [04:11] any of you know why our package uses /bin/ksh, and the debian one uses /bin/sh (package is arson), for example? [04:11] bddebian, true, but the shit you don't know piles much lower than the shit I don't [04:11] Hmm [04:12] crimsun: me and bddebian? we don't know anything, we are just stupid enought to talk around here ;-) [04:12] it's the SHELL = in the make file [04:13] LaserJock: Amen brother :-) [04:13] except I think bddebian's karama perhaps says something else ;-) [04:14] antinobody: I only see that in doc/arson/Makefile [04:14] it seems you spend the occasional moment working on bugs [04:15] crimsun: you're right, I misread [04:15] moi? Nah :-) [04:15] antinobody: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:8w_Z0ecqF3MJ:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod+bddebianisagod&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=opera [04:15] pwned. [04:15] Oh come on man... [04:16] ha, crimsun is listed as one of the folks you pale in comparison to [04:17] I find it humorous that LaserJock is listed as having most recently modified that wiki page *whistles* === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] heh, I wonder what the most recent change was... [04:18] crimsun: humorous [04:18] ? [04:18] mwuhahaha === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] antinobody: I added those names when that stupid page was created :-) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] olah Hobbsee === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] Uhm, I think that is hola? [04:19] hi antinobody [04:19] Hi Hobbsee :-) [04:19] it is [04:19] hola [04:19] hi bddebian :) [04:19] I can speak it, I can write it, and I can read it [04:19] spelling is another matter [04:20] hehe [04:20] of course, I'm not so much perfect with any of those either [04:22] I see...the shell changes depending on who built the package. That's why it's different in the two doc files. [04:22] Or I'm wrong [04:22] again === LaserJock adjusts a certain wiki page [04:25] so, the differences in the doc/arson/Makefile aren't important? [04:25] antinobody: no, you're correct. And no, they're not important since Makefile is regenerated each build. [04:26] hey LaserJock! you made it back all right then? [04:26] you speak as if we are still in the dark ages of aviation heh === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] jsgotangco: dark ages? I thought that was just France ;-) [04:28] hehe [04:30] hehe === antinobody_ [n=sean@71-214-90-191.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] hehe [04:33] hoho [04:38] Is there a reason this : [04:38] static uint ArsonCdrdaoProcess::calcTime( [04:38] - uint hrs, uint mins, uint secs); [04:39] now doesn't work, and has to be changed to this : [04:39] static uint calcTime(uint hrs, uint mins, uint secs); [04:39] did some specific rule somewhere change? [04:42] are you looking at 0.9.8beta2-4.3 from Debian? === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] s [04:43] that's an NMU addressing GCC 4.1 specifically [04:43] although this came up with agistudio as well [04:43] you'll need that for Edgy [04:43] Right, I thought it was a compiler upgrade [04:44] In that case, I think the only thing that needs to be changed in arson is the dh_iconcache thing, (I'm right in thinking arson doesn't use kde.mk?) [04:44] yes. 4.1 is much more strict. [04:45] no reference to "kde.mk" in debian/rules at least [04:45] yeah, ever other difference seems to be either a comment, or in the doc/arson/Makefil (or clearly part of the upgraded package) [04:48] is there a reason we have the dh_iconcache included in these packages and debian doesn't? [04:48] Or did I touch on some kind of political issue of some sort [04:49] with that question [04:49] yes. Debian [desktop] is discussing the ramifications of incorporating dh_iconcache. "They" may wish to adjust its semantics. [04:49] s/may// [04:50] what the theorized ramifications? [04:51] you'll have to check debian-desktop for that; I don't track it [04:52] that may not be worth the effort, another day, when I've accumulated more boredom maybe === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] I believe apollon can be synced. But someone who knows more might want to verify that. [05:31] not unless dh_iconcache has been incorporated in Debian [05:31] I thought apollon used kde.mk? [05:32] oh, yes it does. [05:32] yep, a sync is fine [05:33] ha! [05:33] crimsun: does it use cdbs? and a separate kde.mk file? [05:33] half-way to needing two hands to be able to count the number of times I've been right [05:33] Hobbsee: yes, and yes. [05:34] if kde.mk doesn't handle it, then apollon needs a merge. [05:34] true. does kde.mk handle it in debian? [05:34] doubtful [05:34] so, how does it get synced then? syncing's where there's no changes, right? [05:35] pssh...how do I verify that? [05:35] does kde.mk handle it in Ubuntu? [05:35] I'm pretty sure it does, since I touched a few packages for Dapper. [05:35] crimsun: yeah, we changed them so that they did [05:35] if Ubuntu's kde.mk handles it then we don't have to merge [05:35] right, so it can be a straight sync. === Hobbsee hacked cdbs, so anything without a separate kde.mk would get the dh_iconcache [05:35] the only outstanding delta for apollon is the dh_iconcache change [05:35] crimsun: explain syncs and merges before i get confused please? [05:36] which one has changes, and which one doesnt? [05:36] oh, I misunderstood your earlier question. [05:36] Hobbsee: A sync comes straight from Debian as is [05:36] yes, apollon uses cdbs; no, it doesn't use a separate (non-cdbs) kde.mk [05:36] A merge requires some tweaking in Ubuntu [05:36] bddebian: right, that's the way around i thought it was. [05:36] merge = changes, sync = no changes from debian sid, nochange = no change from dapper package [05:36] I belive [05:36] yep [05:36] so while Dapper's apollon has the delta, we can drop it for Edgy [05:37] [because kde.mk handles it] [05:37] but if the package has a separate kde.mk, i expect we'd have to merge it, as debian isnt suppporting dh_iconcache, is that right? [05:37] Hobbsee: correct, but see my above correction [05:37] apollon doesn't include its own kde.mk; it uses cdbs's [05:37] crimsun: yeah, of course === antinobody thanks Hobbsee for hacking cdbs === Hobbsee has a very good memory of all this iconcache stuff :P [05:38] yeah, I touched a few packages myself for Dapper === Hobbsee just wished that she found out before doing most of the iconcache fixes that we could hack the cdbs [05:38] oh well. === antinobody doesn't have a good memory of anything, and is therefore intensely jealous of Hobbsee [05:38] hah === Hobbsee wishes she didnt have a good memory of some things. [05:38] well, the good news is that those deltas can just go poof [05:38] antinobody: i only did about 40 or so of them - i think the final count was...46? [05:39] yep :) === antinobody senses a grass is greener debate [05:39] hehe [05:39] yeah, I remember that, that was my first contribution to ubuntu [05:39] I spent like 9 hours trying to learn to package [05:39] ended up getting like 3 hours of sleep [05:39] bah, just assign them to bddebian =) [05:40] crimsun, that's your solution to everything I take it? [05:40] right [05:41] antinobody: well, I don't expect him to wake me up in the morning, but within hurd and ubuntu, sure! [05:41] (j/k, of course) [05:41] What are you assigning to me now? :-) [05:42] I think you just got network-manager === bddebian runs [05:42] oops, I accidently broke the wiki page for a second (I saved an old edit after a new edit, which ironically changed nothing, but confused the page) [05:42] oh well, better now [05:42] crimsun: exactly :P [05:43] I see network-manager has a reputation here [05:43] it rocks when it works. it's quite frustrating when it almost works. [05:44] it's working on my super-duper Dell Inspiron 1000 at the moment [05:44] tis quite nice [05:45] ipw*? [05:45] what is ipw*? [05:45] wifi chipset [05:45] works mostly here - it's just a problem with ndiswrapper. [05:46] Linksys wpc54g === freeflying-g4_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.150.186] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] although the ndiswrapper hasn't managed to change it to wlan0 [05:46] it's still eth1 [05:46] hasn't been a problem though [05:46] ver. 3 === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:48] there was a problem with the pre-installed drivers (bcm43xx) [05:48] I should probably check if there's a bug report on that, and write one if there isn't [05:48] atheros, I take it [05:48] I probably won't though [05:50] antinobody: cards with marvell 88w8335 chipsets wont work with ndiswrapper > 1.15, i really need to file a bug about that. [05:50] wow, nothing > 1.15? [05:51] yeah [05:52] 1.15 works, and had a nice fix for removing marvell chipsetted cards, but nothing above that works - you cant get a lease. === Hobbsee couldnt see anything of much use in dmesg etc, but isnt really good with those things yet [05:54] what would happen if we pulled wine from the repos at all? seeing as it's always out of date? [05:54] It's not out of date right now [05:54] You would get a lot of 'wineing'? ;-P [05:54] 0.9.16 is the latest and it's available [05:54] LOL bddebian [05:55] hehe true [05:55] Hawkwind: indeed. but a stable repo for a continually changing app seems a bit silly [05:55] Hobbsee: That is true [05:56] And since wine is really considered beta....Probably best to put it elsewhere [05:56] there's plenty of beta software in the repos, it seems - named beta anyway [06:01] well, there are different meanings to beta I suppose [06:01] like "unstable" [06:02] true [06:04] Hobbsee it seems we're both lazy with the bug reporting [06:04] antinobody: how so? [06:04] i tend to fix the bugs, not file them :P [06:05] well....interesting definition of fix [06:05] we both have bugs to file that we aren't we haven't bothered to file yet === antinobody needs to hear more about Hobbsee's interesting definition of fix [06:07] oh yeah, well, if it was on LP, then i'd file it. but it looks to be needign to be filed on sourceforge or a mailing list, and that kinda sucks. and i have to take the encryption off the router again to do it [06:07] to get the outputs [06:07] Well gnight folks [06:07] night bddebian [06:07] gnight bddebian [06:08] I should really do my math homework. And for that reason, I should really learn how to use latex [06:09] hehe [06:13] all right, enough fun for one evening, I'm going to go do homework now. Enjoy life, and try not to go sane while I'm gone. [06:14] hehe === nexu [n=nexu@a80-126-56-145.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mithrandir yawns [06:28] morning Mithrandir [06:30] hello Hobbsee. [06:30] getting up after five hours of sleep is definitively too early. [06:30] ouchy [06:30] that's why i didnt do it :P === polpak [n=polpak@ip68-6-43-90.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] also getting up at six in the morning is hard. 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[08:05] haha [08:05] dont tell me that :P [08:05] i think that's one of the bits for next semester. [08:07] oh, sorry [08:08] hehe, it's probably going to be better this time than last time [08:08] the first time I took the course, it was in the evening, and I kept falling asleep [08:08] by the first test, I realized I hadn't caught anything from the course, and just dropped it [08:09] lol === Hobbsee has that problem in the morning classes - still too asleep to take anything much in. === antinobody has a problem with evening classes, mornings aren't so good [08:10] ha! which given our time difference means we have problems at roughly the same time [08:11] So the next time I'm struggling to stay awake, I'll take some solace in the fact that you're probably suffering too, and for some reason, someone else suffering too makes people feel better [08:11] always thought that was odd [08:11] dammit [08:11] avida has three packages [08:11] I'm too lazy to merge three packages [08:12] Auto-adaptive genetic system for Artificial Life research? that may be too complicated for me on principle [08:15] oh...the source is the same for all three... [08:15] clearly my understanding of packaging is still limited, because I'm confused again === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp231-95.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] interesting...the dapper version of knoda uses hk_referentialintegrity.h, and the sid version uses hk_font.h in it's place [08:29] I don't know much about the new libraries, but they don't sound similar... [08:29] ...two, not new. two === erez [n=erez@85-250-159-191.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] also, Hello DarkMageZ nixternal_ and erez, solamente porque === lukketto [n=lukketto@host60-37.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kelmo [n=kelmo@madwifi/support/kelmo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:52] moin [08:52] hola kelmo [08:52] I spelled it right that time! I think [08:53] antinobody: Does your IRC client have tab completion? [08:54] qu es eso? [08:54] er, what is that? [08:54] it's konversation [08:55] yes [08:55] antinobody: type ho and it should go to hobbsee [08:55] Hobbsee: it does! [08:55] :) [08:55] Hobbsee: TheMuso kelmo fun [08:56] Ok, enough of that [08:56] What has Hobbsee been up to all these many days, by the way? [08:56] exams, pretty much [08:56] and meeting people :) [08:56] TheMuso: http://bootsplash.org/14_3.jpg [08:57] the latter is fun [08:57] the former less so I find [08:57] jsgotangco: What is it supposed to be? === TheMuso cbb going into X to look. [08:57] ooppss sorry you're in the terminal hehe [08:57] TheMuso: that's the group pic we had in paris === Hobbsee just discovered that i guy she met many years ago (like, about 10) is actually online. [08:57] oh [08:57] I need to look then. Thanks. [08:57] Hobbsee: cool [08:58] Hobbsee: My roommate often gets bored an looks up people she used to know [08:58] antinobody: true...except when you're tryign to meet up with someone who you only have a vague idea of what they look like, so dont know if they're the same person or nto [08:58] Hobbsee: hee, that can be a problem [08:58] Meh. SOmeone can point me out. I'm there somehwere. [08:59] Hobbsee: did you meet them originally in person? Or is that why you don't know what they look like? [08:59] antinobody: the one that i met with yesterday, i'd seen some pictures of. the one i've found today who i used to talk to a bit (brother of a friend) i've not met up with [09:00] and havent a clue what he looks like either now, really [09:00] true, people tend to change a bit over 10 years [09:00] I used to be a tall gangly short-brown-haired aqward pre-teen [09:01] TheMuso: beside dholbach [09:01] now I'm a tall gangly long-brown-haired ackward 20-year-old [09:01] jsgotangco: That tells me heaps. :) [09:01] it may not be 10 - i dont remember exactly when it is === lukketto [n=lukketto@host60-37.pool871.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:02] Hobbsee: I'm not going to quote you on it, don't worry [09:02] heh [09:03] Here violent crime is high enough, people are typically skiddish about meeting people they know online. I can't figure out which came first, the fear or the actual violence [09:03] it's a very confusing problem [09:04] what causes such things. I envy people who live places where things are less violent. Such as most other places... [09:05] hmm...I study too much social science, I do. [09:05] I find it fun meeting people online, and then meeting them in person. Often the impression that you get of them from talking online is different to what you find when you meet them in person. [09:05] yeah [09:06] I would imagine it's usually different. Much is lost in typed conversation, after all [09:07] but outside of this whole thing, I rarely meet people via the internet. Mostly I meet people through friends, work, or school, so I can't say I know that particular experience === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso had that experience with Paris. === Hobbsee is meeting more people over the internet now than she used to [09:07] it's still scary :P [09:07] different levels of scary based on who they are === antinobody was too new to go to the Paris thing. And too poor. === TheMuso looks forward to meeting Hobbsee in person. [09:08] I can put a name to the voice, but not to a face. === Mithrandir ended up being enganged to a girl he met on IRC. [09:08] well i met most of the people in sydney before it was nice seeing them again and meeting new people [09:08] Or what I can see of people's faces anyway. [09:08] Mithrandir: i suspected as much :) [09:08] TheMuso: what, you have no picture or something? [09:08] Kinda hard to explain. [09:08] Hobbsee: we lived in the same city, though, so we met up in person fairly quickly. And I had seen her once before we talked on IRC. [09:09] For example, I can't remember what jsgotangco looked like, but can kinda remember what keybuk looks like, as well as Riddell. === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:09] If the next convention ends up being in LA like they mentioned, I might bus down there, if I can come up with somewhere to stay cheaply enough [09:09] iit all depends on how different people look from each other. [09:09] I'd be very unhappy if the next conference was in the US. [09:09]