[12:09] <siretart> LaserJock: cool. thanks for testing
[12:28] <jrib> if anyone wants to find some newbie mistakes, my first package of a gaim-plugin that has two sources files is here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2511 .  lintian is saying "bad-distribution-in-changes-file edgy", can I just ignore that?
[12:29] <slomo_> yes, just ignore that
[01:00] <fbond> siretart: revu password recovery is failing, varying from not getting the encrypted string, to getting a traceback (IOError: Broken pipe)
[01:09] <zul> argh...
[02:02] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:03] <zul> hey
[02:05] <bddebian> Hi zul
[02:05] <zul> hey bddebian how is it going?
[02:05] <bddebian> Same ol' man, you?
[02:05] <zul> watching bad 80s videos and xen
[02:06] <bddebian> Heh
[02:12] <fbond> siretart: ping?
[02:18] <nexu> hmmm
[02:19] <nexu> when does it show new upload to REVU ?
[02:19] <nexu> nm
[02:19] <nexu> lol
[02:20] <nexu> hmm
[02:20] <nexu> i still miss one package
[02:20] <nexu> which doesnt show ther
[02:33] <chillywilly> anyone here know of a amd64 kernel that has xt_connmark and xt_CONNMARK modules built in? the generic kernel maybe?
[02:33] <chillywilly> ther "server" one doesn't seem to
[02:34] <chillywilly> suppose I could just look at the packages ;P
[02:34] <bddebian> Yeah, ya bum :-)
[02:35] <chillywilly> :-o
[02:36] <chillywilly> this page is taking a while to load
[02:36] <chillywilly> lalala
[02:38] <chillywilly> ok, that was pretty useless
[02:38] <chillywilly> tried to look at the files in the package with the web interface and it timed out and said it couldn't find the package
[03:06] <fbond> anyone here a revu admin?
[03:08] <LaserJock> i'm guessing not until ajmitch wakes up
[03:08] <fbond> ah
[03:08] <fbond> thanks
[03:08] <fbond> I believe revu is having some pretty serious technical difficulties
[03:09] <LaserJock> what's going on?
[03:13] <fbond> revu can't recover passwords and isn't moving uploads from incoming, updating page, etc...
[03:14] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm not sure if siretart has narrowed down the problems
[03:15] <fbond> oh, are the problems known?
[03:16] <LaserJock> well, stuff seems to not work once in a while
[03:16] <LaserJock> and and admin needs to clean out the queue
[03:17] <nexu> actually
[03:17] <nexu> i just uploaded
[03:17] <nexu> and recovered a password
[03:17] <nexu> like 1h ago
[03:18] <LaserJock> yeah, it seems to do it sporadically
[03:19] <jdong> is there any place where I can request packages for universe packaging?
[03:19] <fbond> hm
[03:19] <jdong> Automatix users want ManDVD, and there are currently no debian packages of it
[03:19] <jdong> it's a simple one-binary C++/KDE program
[03:20] <nexu> setup your own repo till than ?
[03:20] <LaserJock> currently we are using a wiki page for packaging requests
[03:20] <jdong> LaserJock: which page is this?
[03:21] <jdong> nexu: I will for now; but it'd be cool to have this in Edgy without relying on unofficial repos
[03:21] <crimsun> jdong: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[03:21] <jdong> crimsun: thanks very much
[03:22] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates was what I was thinking about
[03:23] <crimsun> Candidates is linked from New ; I used New intentionally for the links to WNPP
[03:23] <crimsun> (and mentors.d.n)
[03:23] <LaserJock> heh
[03:24] <jdong> yep; figured that part out
[03:24] <jdong> the package I wanted was on none of the listed lists
[03:24] <jdong> so I'm having an automatix developer put it on the candidate list
[03:25] <nexu> who maintain this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[03:25] <crimsun> "the community"
[03:26] <bddebian> nexu: Thanks for volunteering :-)
[03:26] <LaserJock> heh
[03:26] <zul> spoon!
[03:27] <jdong> lol
[03:27] <LaserJock> jdong: I had a question for you. I just got an email for what looks like a scilab 4 backports request
[03:27] <LaserJock> bug #50840
[03:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50840 in dapper-backports "scilab 4" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50840
[03:28] <crimsun> that one's already triaged.
[03:29] <crimsun> no movement until it builds in Edgy -> pool, etc., etc.
[03:29] <LaserJock> umm, but there isn't any scilab 4 packages
[03:30] <LaserJock> so what is there to backport?
[03:30] <crimsun> meaning it doesn't exist upstream even?
[03:30] <crimsun> upstream upstream
[03:30] <bddebian> Uhm rejectage :-)
[03:30] <LaserJock> yeah upstream upstream exists
[03:30] <bddebian> Oh
[03:30] <crimsun> then it's a viable backport req
[03:31] <nexu> bddebian :] 
[03:31] <crimsun> it just needs to get into Edgy first, etc.
[03:31] <LaserJock> yeah, like that's going to happen
[03:31] <bddebian> Why not?
[03:31] <LaserJock> it's orphaned in Debian and it doesn't exactly have the greatest license
[03:31] <crimsun> why, is it blocked on Duke Nukem Forever's release or something?
[03:32] <jsgotangco> haha
[03:32] <crimsun> LaserJock: eh, it's a backport req. The world ain't gonna end [yet] . :)
[03:33] <LaserJock> crimsun: no, I just thought that you had to have a package to backport before you made a request ;-)
[03:33] <bddebian> LaserJock: What crack do you smoke man.  And do you have any to share? ;-P
[03:33] <crimsun> LaserJock: generally, yes, but I've become a bit more lenient isntead of rejecting straightoff. ;)
[03:34] <crimsun> on the other hand, my typing has taken a nosedive
[03:34] <LaserJock> well, I wasn't going to reject it, I just wondered if somebody sneaked in a package I didn't know about :-)
[03:34] <crimsun> apt-get install zomgponies, word
[03:35] <zul> yay xen is finally compiling
[03:35] <bddebian> crimsun: :-)
[03:36] <crimsun> zul: rockin'
[03:36] <zul> crimsun: er with 2.6.16
[03:37] <crimsun> zul: still, nifty
[03:37] <crimsun> (yeah, getting it compiling with our 2.6.15 would be a major feat)
[03:37] <zul> next make the deb and see if it works ;)
[03:38] <zul> crimsun: 2.6.17
[03:39] <bddebian> crimsun: Know anything about this one? :-)  Bug #5683
[03:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 5683 in insight "insight: merge new debian version" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5683
[03:40] <crimsun> must have been some other crimsun, hmm
[03:40] <crimsun> ah well.
[03:41] <crimsun> hey, the bug status is still valid. Neat.
[03:42] <crimsun> there, notified.
[03:42] <crimsun> thanks bddebian
[03:45] <bddebian> :-)
[03:45] <bddebian> It still needs merged?
[03:46] <crimsun> oh yeah
[03:46] <crimsun> (6.1+cvs.2004.08.11-1ubuntu1)
[03:46] <bddebian> Ah
[03:51] <crimsun> neat, time for some bzr branching
[03:54] <antinobody> all that and I STILL have the wrong package uploaded to REVU.
[03:54] <antinobody> hello everybody
[03:55] <jdong> and it even is satisfied by the dapper build environment :)
[03:56] <crimsun> awesome, more crack
[03:57] <jdong> :)
[03:57] <LaserJock> edgy is supposed to be crackful, right?
[03:59] <crimsun> to some degree
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya antinobody
[04:03] <antinobody> hey bddebian
[04:04] <antinobody> I think I finally got the right agistudio merge uploaded to REVU, and it only took like 4 tries
[04:05] <bddebian> Nice
[04:06] <antinobody> I've decided upon an ignorance-based learning system for this merging thing
[04:06] <antinobody> I'll try to merge something, and when I inevitably find I don't know what they hell I'm doing
[04:06] <antinobody> I beg people to explain things
[04:07] <antinobody> Eventually, the theory is I'll know what I'm doing
[04:09] <crimsun> noble but flawed
[04:10] <crimsun> it relies on someone else knowing what {s,}he's doing
[04:10] <LaserJock> heh
[04:10] <crimsun> I don't at all mind punting all questions to bddebian or LaserJock, though =)
[04:10] <antinobody> lol
[04:10] <bddebian> antinobody: Well I have been thinking that for years now and I still don't know shit :-)
[04:11] <antinobody> any of you know why our package uses /bin/ksh, and the debian one uses /bin/sh (package is arson), for example?
[04:11] <antinobody> bddebian, true, but the shit you don't know piles much lower than the shit I don't
[04:11] <bddebian> Hmm
[04:12] <LaserJock> crimsun: me and bddebian? we don't know anything, we are just stupid enought to talk around here ;-)
[04:12] <antinobody> it's the SHELL = in the make file
[04:13] <bddebian> LaserJock: Amen brother :-)
[04:13] <LaserJock> except I think bddebian's karama perhaps says something else ;-)
[04:14] <crimsun> antinobody: I only see that in doc/arson/Makefile
[04:14] <antinobody> it seems you spend the occasional moment working on bugs
[04:15] <antinobody> crimsun: you're right, I misread
[04:15] <bddebian> moi?  Nah :-)
[04:15] <crimsun> antinobody: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:8w_Z0ecqF3MJ:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod+bddebianisagod&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=opera
[04:15] <crimsun> pwned.
[04:15] <bddebian> Oh come on man...
[04:16] <antinobody> ha, crimsun is listed as one of the folks you pale in comparison to
[04:17] <crimsun> I find it humorous that LaserJock is listed as having most recently modified that wiki page   *whistles*
[04:17] <antinobody> heh, I wonder what the most recent change was...
[04:18] <LaserJock> crimsun: humorous
[04:18] <LaserJock> ?
[04:18] <bddebian> mwuhahaha
[04:18] <bddebian> antinobody: I added those names when that stupid page was created :-)
[04:19] <antinobody> olah Hobbsee
[04:19] <bddebian> Uhm, I think that is hola?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hi antinobody
[04:19] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee :-)
[04:19] <antinobody> it is
[04:19] <antinobody> hola
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian :)
[04:19] <antinobody> I can speak it, I can write it, and I can read it
[04:19] <antinobody> spelling is another matter
[04:20] <bddebian> hehe
[04:20] <antinobody> of course, I'm not so much perfect with any of those either
[04:22] <antinobody> I see...the shell changes depending on who built the package.  That's why it's different in the two doc files.
[04:22] <antinobody> Or I'm wrong
[04:22] <antinobody> again
[04:25] <antinobody> so, the differences in the doc/arson/Makefile aren't important?
[04:25] <crimsun> antinobody: no, you're correct. And no, they're not important since Makefile is regenerated each build.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock!  you made it back all right then?
[04:26] <jsgotangco> you speak as if we are still in the dark ages of aviation heh
[04:28] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: dark ages? I thought that was just France ;-)
[04:28] <LaserJock> hehe
[04:30] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:33] <bddebian> hoho
[04:38] <antinobody_> Is there a reason this :
[04:38] <antinobody_> static uint ArsonCdrdaoProcess::calcTime(
[04:38] <antinobody_> -		uint hrs, uint mins, uint secs);
[04:39] <antinobody_> now doesn't work, and has to be changed to this :
[04:39] <antinobody_> static uint calcTime(uint hrs, uint mins, uint secs);
[04:39] <antinobody_> did some specific rule somewhere change?
[04:42] <crimsun> are you looking at 0.9.8beta2-4.3 from Debian?
[04:43] <antinobody_> s
[04:43] <crimsun> that's an NMU addressing GCC 4.1 specifically
[04:43] <antinobody_> although this came up with agistudio as well
[04:43] <crimsun> you'll need that for Edgy
[04:43] <antinobody_> Right, I thought it was a compiler upgrade
[04:44] <antinobody_> In that case, I think the only thing that needs to be changed in arson is the dh_iconcache thing, (I'm right in thinking arson doesn't use kde.mk?)
[04:44] <crimsun> yes. 4.1 is much more strict.
[04:45] <crimsun> no reference to "kde.mk" in debian/rules at least
[04:45] <antinobody_> yeah, ever other difference seems to be either a comment, or in the doc/arson/Makefil (or clearly part of the upgraded package)
[04:48] <antinobody_> is there a reason we have the dh_iconcache included in these packages and debian doesn't?
[04:48] <antinobody_> Or did I touch on some kind of political issue of some sort
[04:49] <antinobody_> with that question
[04:49] <crimsun> yes. Debian [desktop]  is discussing the ramifications of incorporating dh_iconcache. "They" may wish to adjust its semantics.
[04:49] <crimsun> s/may//
[04:50] <antinobody_> what the theorized ramifications?
[04:51] <crimsun> you'll have to check debian-desktop for that; I don't track it
[04:52] <antinobody_> that may not be worth the effort, another day, when I've accumulated more boredom maybe
[05:28] <antinobody> I believe apollon can be synced.  But someone who knows more might want to verify that.
[05:31] <crimsun> not unless dh_iconcache has been incorporated in Debian
[05:31] <antinobody> I thought apollon used kde.mk?
[05:32] <crimsun> oh, yes it does.
[05:32] <crimsun> yep, a sync is fine
[05:33] <antinobody> ha!
[05:33] <Hobbsee> crimsun: does it use cdbs?  and a separate kde.mk file?
[05:33] <antinobody> half-way to needing two hands to be able to count the number of times I've been right
[05:33] <crimsun> Hobbsee: yes, and yes.
[05:34] <crimsun> if kde.mk doesn't handle it, then apollon needs a merge.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> true.  does kde.mk handle it in debian?
[05:34] <crimsun> doubtful
[05:34] <Hobbsee> so, how does it get synced then?  syncing's where there's no changes, right?
[05:35] <antinobody> pssh...how do I verify that?
[05:35] <crimsun> does kde.mk handle it in Ubuntu?
[05:35] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure it does, since I touched a few packages for Dapper.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, we changed them so that they did
[05:35] <LaserJock> if Ubuntu's kde.mk handles it then we don't have to merge
[05:35] <crimsun> right, so it can be a straight sync.
[05:35] <crimsun> the only outstanding delta for apollon is the dh_iconcache change
[05:35] <Hobbsee> crimsun: explain syncs and merges before i get confused please?
[05:36] <Hobbsee> which one has changes, and which one doesnt?
[05:36] <crimsun> oh, I misunderstood your earlier question.
[05:36] <bddebian> Hobbsee: A sync comes straight from Debian as is
[05:36] <crimsun> yes, apollon uses cdbs; no, it doesn't use a separate (non-cdbs) kde.mk
[05:36] <bddebian> A merge requires some tweaking in Ubuntu
[05:36] <Hobbsee> bddebian: right, that's the way around i thought it was.
[05:36] <antinobody> merge = changes, sync = no changes from debian sid, nochange = no change from dapper package
[05:36] <antinobody> I belive
[05:36] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:36] <crimsun> so while Dapper's apollon has the delta, we can drop it for Edgy
[05:37] <crimsun> [because kde.mk handles it] 
[05:37] <Hobbsee> but if the package has a separate kde.mk, i expect we'd have to merge it, as debian isnt suppporting dh_iconcache, is that right?
[05:37] <crimsun> Hobbsee: correct, but see my above correction
[05:37] <crimsun> apollon doesn't include its own kde.mk; it uses cdbs's
[05:37] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, of course
[05:38] <crimsun> yeah, I touched a few packages myself for Dapper
[05:38] <Hobbsee> oh well.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:38] <crimsun> well, the good news is that those deltas can just go poof
[05:38] <Hobbsee> antinobody: i only did about 40 or so of them - i think the final count was...46?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[05:39] <bddebian> hehe
[05:39] <antinobody> yeah, I remember that, that was my first contribution to ubuntu
[05:39] <antinobody> I spent like 9 hours trying to learn to package
[05:39] <antinobody> ended up getting like 3 hours of sleep
[05:39] <crimsun> bah, just assign them to bddebian =)
[05:40] <antinobody> crimsun, that's your solution to everything I take it?
[05:40] <LaserJock> right
[05:41] <crimsun> antinobody: well, I don't expect him to wake me up in the morning, but within hurd and ubuntu, sure!
[05:41] <crimsun> (j/k, of course)
[05:41] <bddebian> What are you assigning to me now? :-)
[05:42] <crimsun> I think you just got network-manager
[05:42] <antinobody> oops, I accidently broke the wiki page for a second (I saved an old edit after a new edit, which ironically changed nothing, but confused the page)
[05:42] <antinobody> oh well, better now
[05:42] <Hobbsee> crimsun: exactly :P
[05:43] <antinobody> I see network-manager has a reputation here
[05:43] <crimsun> it rocks when it works. it's quite frustrating when it almost works.
[05:44] <antinobody> it's working on my super-duper Dell Inspiron 1000 at the moment
[05:44] <antinobody> tis quite nice
[05:45] <crimsun> ipw*?
[05:45] <antinobody> what is ipw*?
[05:45] <crimsun> wifi chipset
[05:45] <Hobbsee> works mostly here - it's just a problem with ndiswrapper.
[05:46] <antinobody> Linksys wpc54g
[05:46] <antinobody> although the ndiswrapper hasn't managed to change it to wlan0
[05:46] <antinobody> it's still eth1
[05:46] <antinobody> hasn't been a problem though
[05:46] <antinobody> ver. 3
[05:48] <antinobody> there was a problem with the pre-installed drivers (bcm43xx)
[05:48] <antinobody> I should probably check if there's a bug report on that, and write one if there isn't
[05:48] <crimsun> atheros, I take it
[05:48] <antinobody> I probably won't though
[05:50] <Hobbsee> antinobody: cards with marvell 88w8335 chipsets wont work with ndiswrapper > 1.15, i really need to file a bug about that.
[05:50] <crimsun> wow, nothing > 1.15?
[05:51] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:52] <Hobbsee> 1.15 works, and had a nice fix for removing marvell chipsetted cards, but nothing above that works - you cant get a lease.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> what would happen if we pulled wine from the repos at all?  seeing as it's always out of date?
[05:54] <Hawkwind> It's not out of date right now
[05:54] <bddebian> You would get a lot of 'wineing'? ;-P
[05:54] <Hawkwind> 0.9.16 is the latest and it's available
[05:54] <Hawkwind> LOL bddebian
[05:55] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[05:55] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: indeed.  but a stable repo for a continually changing app seems a bit silly
[05:55] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: That is true
[05:56] <Hawkwind> And since wine is really considered beta....Probably best to put it elsewhere
[05:56] <Hobbsee> there's plenty of beta software in the repos, it seems - named beta anyway
[06:01] <LaserJock> well, there are different meanings to beta I suppose
[06:01] <LaserJock> like "unstable"
[06:02] <Hobbsee> true
[06:04] <antinobody> Hobbsee it seems we're both lazy with the bug reporting
[06:04] <Hobbsee> antinobody: how so?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> i tend to fix the bugs, not file them :P
[06:05] <Hobbsee> well....interesting definition of fix
[06:05] <antinobody> we both have bugs to file that we aren't we haven't bothered to file yet
[06:07] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, well, if it was on LP, then i'd file it.  but it looks to be needign to be filed on sourceforge or a mailing list, and that kinda sucks.  and i have to take the encryption off the router again to do it
[06:07] <Hobbsee> to get the outputs
[06:07] <bddebian> Well gnight folks
[06:07] <Hobbsee> night bddebian
[06:07] <antinobody> gnight bddebian
[06:08] <antinobody> I should really do my math homework.  And for that reason, I should really learn how to use latex
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:13] <antinobody> all right, enough fun for one evening, I'm going to go do homework now.  Enjoy life, and try not to go sane while I'm gone.
[06:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:28] <Hobbsee> morning Mithrandir
[06:30] <Mithrandir> hello Hobbsee.
[06:30] <Mithrandir> getting up after five hours of sleep is definitively too early.
[06:30] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[06:30] <Hobbsee> that's why i didnt do it :P
[06:34] <Mithrandir> also getting up at six in the morning is hard.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:04] <antinobody> did any of you know that multivariable calculus is boring as hell?
[08:05] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:05] <Hobbsee> dont tell me that :P
[08:05] <Hobbsee> i think that's one of the bits for next semester.
[08:07] <antinobody> oh, sorry
[08:08] <antinobody> hehe, it's probably going to be better this time than last time
[08:08] <antinobody> the first time I took the course, it was in the evening, and I kept falling asleep
[08:08] <antinobody> by the first test, I realized I hadn't caught anything from the course, and just dropped it
[08:09] <Hobbsee> lol
[08:10] <antinobody> ha! which given our time difference means we have problems at roughly the same time
[08:11] <antinobody> So the next time I'm struggling to stay awake, I'll take some solace in the fact that you're probably suffering too, and for some reason, someone else suffering too makes people feel better
[08:11] <antinobody> always thought that was odd
[08:11] <antinobody> dammit
[08:11] <antinobody> avida has three packages
[08:11] <antinobody> I'm too lazy to merge three packages
[08:12] <antinobody> Auto-adaptive genetic system for Artificial Life research?  that may be too complicated for me on principle
[08:15] <antinobody> oh...the source is the same for all three...
[08:15] <antinobody> clearly my understanding of packaging is still limited, because I'm confused again
[08:29] <antinobody> interesting...the dapper version of knoda uses hk_referentialintegrity.h, and the sid version uses hk_font.h in it's place
[08:29] <antinobody> I don't know much about the new libraries, but they don't sound similar...
[08:29] <antinobody> ...two, not new. two
[08:29] <antinobody> also, Hello DarkMageZ nixternal_ and erez, solamente porque
[08:52] <kelmo> moin
[08:52] <antinobody> hola kelmo
[08:52] <antinobody> I spelled it right that time!  I think
[08:53] <TheMuso> antinobody: Does your IRC client have tab completion?
[08:54] <antinobody> qu es eso?
[08:54] <antinobody> er, what is that?
[08:54] <antinobody> it's konversation
[08:55] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:55] <Hobbsee> antinobody: type ho<tab> and it should go to hobbsee
[08:55] <antinobody> Hobbsee: it does!
[08:55] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:55] <antinobody> Hobbsee: TheMuso kelmo fun
[08:56] <antinobody> Ok, enough of that
[08:56] <antinobody> What has Hobbsee been up to all these many days, by the way?
[08:56] <Hobbsee> exams, pretty much
[08:56] <Hobbsee> and meeting people :)
[08:56] <jsgotangco> TheMuso: http://bootsplash.org/14_3.jpg
[08:57] <antinobody> the latter is fun
[08:57] <antinobody> the former less so I find
[08:57] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: What is it supposed to be?
[08:57] <jsgotangco> ooppss sorry you're in the terminal hehe
[08:57] <jsgotangco> TheMuso: that's the group pic we had in paris
[08:57] <TheMuso> oh
[08:57] <TheMuso> I need to look then. Thanks.
[08:57] <antinobody> Hobbsee: cool
[08:58] <antinobody> Hobbsee: My roommate often gets bored an looks up people she used to know
[08:58] <Hobbsee> antinobody: true...except when you're tryign to meet up with someone who you only have a vague idea of what they look like, so dont know if they're the same person or nto
[08:58] <antinobody> Hobbsee: hee, that can be a problem
[08:58] <TheMuso> Meh. SOmeone can point me out. I'm there somehwere.
[08:59] <antinobody> Hobbsee: did you meet them originally in person?  Or is that why you don't know what they look like?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> antinobody: the one that i met with yesterday, i'd seen some pictures of.  the one i've found today who i used to talk to a bit (brother of a friend) i've not met up with
[09:00] <Hobbsee> and havent a clue what he looks like either now, really
[09:00] <antinobody> true, people tend to change a bit over 10 years
[09:00] <antinobody> I used to be a tall gangly short-brown-haired aqward pre-teen
[09:01] <jsgotangco> TheMuso: beside dholbach
[09:01] <antinobody> now I'm a tall gangly long-brown-haired ackward 20-year-old
[09:01] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: That tells me heaps. :)
[09:01] <Hobbsee> it may not be 10 - i dont remember exactly when it is
[09:02] <antinobody> Hobbsee: I'm not going to quote you on it, don't worry
[09:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:03] <antinobody> Here violent crime is high enough, people are typically skiddish about meeting people they know online.  I can't figure out which came first, the fear or the actual violence
[09:03] <antinobody> it's a very confusing problem
[09:04] <antinobody> what causes such things.  I envy people who live places where things are less violent.  Such as most other places...
[09:05] <antinobody> hmm...I study too much social science, I do.
[09:05] <TheMuso> I find it fun meeting people online, and then meeting them in person. Often the impression that you get of them from talking online is different to what you find when you meet them in person.
[09:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:06] <antinobody> I would imagine it's usually different.  Much is lost in typed conversation, after all
[09:07] <antinobody> but outside of this whole thing, I rarely meet people via the internet.  Mostly I meet people through friends, work, or school, so I can't say I know that particular experience
[09:07] <Hobbsee> it's still scary :P
[09:07] <Hobbsee> different levels of scary based on who they are
[09:08] <TheMuso> I can put a name to the voice, but not to a face.
[09:08] <jsgotangco> well i met most of the people in sydney before it was nice seeing them again and meeting new people
[09:08] <TheMuso> Or what I can see of people's faces anyway.
[09:08] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i suspected as much :)
[09:08] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: what, you have no picture or something?
[09:08] <TheMuso> Kinda hard to explain.
[09:08] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: we lived in the same city, though, so we met up in person fairly quickly.  And I had seen her once before we talked on IRC.
[09:09] <TheMuso> For example, I can't remember what jsgotangco looked like, but can kinda remember what keybuk looks like, as well as Riddell.
[09:09] <antinobody> If the next convention ends up being in LA like they mentioned, I might bus down there, if I can come up with somewhere to stay cheaply enough
[09:09] <TheMuso> iit all depends on how different people look from each other.
[09:09] <Mithrandir> I'd be very unhappy if the next conference was in the US.
[09:09] <jsgotangco> me too
[09:09] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ah okay
[09:10] <TheMuso> I would be as well, I must admit.
[09:10] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: ah, true.  well, i probably look different to most people around here
[09:10] <antinobody> but it would be awfully convenient for me
[09:10] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Sure you would. Just do heaps of work for the community and put your name down.
[09:10] <TheMuso> Worth a shot at the very least.
[09:11] <antinobody> actually, unless it comes up on one of the very few weeks when I'm not in school, I'm in the same boat as Hobbsee
[09:11] <TheMuso> You gotta think positive about these things. I have wanted to go for well over a year, and I got there in the end. So I'm happy I stuck to it.
[09:11] <antinobody> I believe that may be part of what she's referring to
[09:12] <TheMuso> Maybe, but even to get an invite and to have to turn it down is still something. You know you have/had the chance there, and you are being recognised for your work.,
[09:12] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: true
[09:12] <TheMuso> Of course it is.
[09:12] <jsgotangco> thats true working face to face makes a difference
[09:12] <Hobbsee> yeah, uni gets in the way - even though i'm told "go anyway" it means an awful lot of uni work to catch up on
[09:12] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: Damn right it does.
[09:13] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Well it is something to think about at any rate.
[09:13] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I went to .au for two weeks in the middle of my last semester.. it still worked out.
[09:13] <Hobbsee> i guess
[09:13] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, it'd likely be towards the end, not the middle
[09:14] <TheMuso> Come on, that doesn't sound very convincing.
[09:14] <Hobbsee> oh hang on....
[09:14] <Hobbsee> i dont know, i think it ends up being towards the end
[09:14] <antinobody> toward the end of what?  school?
[09:14] <Hobbsee> of semester
[09:14] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I guess it'll be in early November.
[09:14] <antinobody> oh, the NEXT convention
[09:14] <Mithrandir> since FinalRelease is Oct 26th.
[09:15] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: At the very very least, you have to come to LCA 07.
[09:15] <antinobody> where is LCA?
[09:15] <TheMuso> Australia.
[09:15] <Hobbsee> antinobody: sydney
[09:15] <jsgotangco> sydney
[09:15] <TheMuso> Sydney
[09:15] <jsgotangco> january
[09:15] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: that's likely, yeah.  we'll see.
[09:16] <TheMuso> Come on. You are happy to cat away and be part of the community on the net, but you don't wanna meet people face to face?
[09:16] <antinobody> heh, I should just take a term in sydney during the winter, for the sake of going to that.
[09:17] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i've got no idea what's happening in january.  i say likely, because if i say yes, then find "oh no, i cant do this" suddenly, then people get annoyed
[09:19] <Yagisan> hmm. I see a chance to annoy in person, er I mean meet you fine folks
[09:19] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan
[09:19] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:20] <Hobbsee> hehe - i thought i was the one to annoy everyone else
[09:20] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: besides, people in person are scary you know :P
[09:20] <Yagisan> evening Hobbsee
[09:23] <rob> sigh
[09:23] <rob> anyone with revu foo around?
[09:24] <Hobbsee> rob: siretart?
[09:24] <rob> dolphin
[09:24] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: No they're not. Wel, maybe if you can see them. :)
[09:24] <rob> Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of dolphin_0.5.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[09:24] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: hehe
[09:24] <rob> need it deleted
[09:24] <TheMuso> I wouldn't get annoyed if you had to pull out of LCA. Besides, you have to pay for entry AFAIK.
[09:25] <TheMuso> This will be m first LCA.
[09:26] <TheMuso> Anyway.  hope to meet you in person at some point Hobbsee.
[09:27] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i'm sure you will.  especially if you're at slug in july
[09:27] <TheMuso> I'll be there. It is ard to pull me away from SLUG events. :)
[09:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:55] <rob> thanks :)
[10:04] <Hobbsee> bye all
[10:04] <rob> bye Hobbsee
[10:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[10:05] <TheMuso> What a way to disconnect. :)
[10:08] <Amaranth> That's how I look when I close the lid on my laptop.
[10:15] <kelmo> hi siretart
[10:27] <siretart> kelmo: huhu kelmo
[10:27] <siretart> kelmo: re: wpasupplicant, I wanted to mail you later today. currently, I can only test static wep and unencrypted wifis, both working fine with latest svn for me
[10:27] <kelmo> siretart: cool, nice to know. any comments regarding the other package "additions" (init script)?
[10:27] <kelmo> siretart: and, i can wait until later today for an answer about that, so no rush ;-)
[10:35] <kelmo> siretart: the init script 'wpa-ifupdown' (not directly related to wpa-roam)
[10:37] <siretart> kelmo: well, it didn't explode for me yet. and I didn't notice malfunctions either
[10:40] <kelmo> siretart: thats good, there was no intention to make things malfunction ;-)
[10:40] <siretart> kelmo: ;)
[10:41] <kelmo> siretart: well, when you agree, i'll ping Kyle for a new upload, maybe in a day or two?
[10:42] <rob> I've dputted a new dolphin package about half an hour ago and its still not showing
[10:42] <siretart> kelmo: I think its okay for upload now. but let's keep the RC bug still open
[10:42] <siretart> kelmo: at least for this weekend
[10:42] <kelmo> siretart: sure, wasn't going to touch that yet
[10:42] <siretart> ok
[10:43] <kelmo> will prepare it tonight then, thanks
[11:24] <rob> hmm, so I tried dputting it again, and get the 533 error again
[11:24] <rob> :(
[11:52] <crimsun> sigh.
[11:52] <crimsun> uploads being silently blackholed. Again.
[11:52] <rob> oh, goody, its not just me
[11:53] <rob> still bites though
[11:53] <crimsun> not to revu, to Ubuntu proper.
[11:53] <rob> oh
[11:53] <rob> so whats up with revu then?
[11:54] <crimsun> I think the queue needs to be manually processed
[11:54] <rob> does it get "stuck" sometimes?
[11:55] <crimsun> I think the frontend is somewhat disconnected from the backend currently
[11:55] <jsgotangco> ickk
[11:56] <rob> for the last 12 hours at least :(
[11:56] <crimsun> yeah, it has been processed by hand a few times since
[11:57] <crimsun> ah well, I'll worry about this key situation later. It's becoming a consistent pain in the ass.
[12:54] <kelmo> siretart: ok, it has been requested
[01:08] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[01:34] <Lathiat> gr thought i'd have a look at automatix and it bnlows away your sources.list without warning
[01:34] <Lathiat> mistake that idea was ;p
[01:34] <rob> yeah, its pretty ugly, that thing
[01:35] <rob> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu sums it up nicely
[01:36] <Lathiat> (i have mirrors of all the ubuntnu repos etc as such my sources.list points at that)
[01:36] <Lathiat> haha
[02:09] <zul> hey
[04:18] <siretart> \sh_away_away: is there sth wrong with jabberme.net?
[04:46] <CarlFK> I need to make a deb that is just a shell script and 3 dependencies - I have looked at making .deb  howtos and got lost - any advice for making a 'simpler' (no compiling) one?
[04:48] <Toadstool> CarlFK: you may want to have a look at a simple source package such as ketchup
[04:48] <chillywilly> the shorewall guy is telling me that I have incompatibilities with this kernel and my iptables
[04:48] <jpatrick> hi Spec
[04:48] <chillywilly> I am using the amd64 server kernel
[04:49] <Toadstool> hey jpatrick
[04:49] <jpatrick> hey Toadstool
[04:50] <Spec> heya
[04:50] <Spec> jpatrick: it's up, whee. :)
[04:50] <Toadstool> hi Spec
[04:50] <jpatrick> Spec: yeah :)
[04:51] <Spec> jpatrick: i looked over your(?) config, it seems good, is kubuntu-es pointing to the same IP?
[04:51] <jpatrick> No idea
[04:53] <jpatrick> Spec: appartently it asks for two ips when there only is one
[04:53] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:53] <jpatrick> hey bddebian
[04:53] <bddebian> Hi jpatrick
[04:54] <Spec> kubuntu-es.org -> 72.36.139.42
[04:54] <Spec> dc.ubuntu-us.org -> 69.60.114.106
[04:54] <Spec> so, you should move the site over completely first, and then switch dns over
[04:55] <Hobbsee> rob: ping
[04:56] <jpatrick> Spec: will have to wait for the webmaster then
[04:57] <Spec> 'k
[04:57] <jpatrick> Wait he's on
[04:59] <jpatrick> Spec: what the 72.36.139.42 for?
[05:00] <Spec> that's where kubuntu-es is pointing to right now
[05:00] <Spec> whoever controls dns for that needs to change it to the new server, right?
[05:01] <CarlFK> Toadstool: thanks - I just might get it this time
[05:01] <Toadstool> np :)
[05:01] <jpatrick> Spec: yes, it also needs two DNS numbers :/
[05:01] <Spec> why?
[05:02] <jpatrick> that's what it asks for
[05:02] <Spec> where? o.o
[05:03] <jpatrick> Spec: http://www.piensasolutions.com/
[05:06] <slomo> siretart: ping?
[05:09] <siretart> slomo: pong
[05:10] <slomo> siretart: we can get a nice, new ffmpeg from debian... shared libraries and all ;) do you have some time to do it? i'm already busy with many other things :(
[05:11] <siretart> slomo: I'm using those libraries in xine-lib for debian/experimental (which is currently in NEW)
[05:11] <siretart> slomo: you mean I shall merge debian's ffmpeg? I can do this, but I can't promise that I get today to it
[05:12] <slomo> siretart: well, a sync + adding epoch will do probably... but i meant getting all (build-)rdepends to build against the shared version which is the real work :/
[05:13] <jpatrick> Spec: any idea?
[05:14] <siretart> slomo: do you have an idea how many package we speak of? I count xine, vlc, mplayer.
[05:16] <slomo> siretart: 20 maybe...
[05:17] <slomo> siretart: it isn't needed to get it done NOW but would be nice to have it before release :)
[05:18] <siretart> slomo: oh yes, we should declare that as release goal for motumedia team
[05:18] <slomo> siretart: sounds good :) you'll make a list of all packages?
[05:19] <slomo> and i merge ffmpeg for now
[05:20] <siretart> slomo: I'm not sure how to identify them all
[05:20] <Spec> jpatrick: you could just put the same ip for both
[05:20] <nexu> any MOTU admin here?
[05:21] <slomo> siretart: grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends or something... libavcodec-dev, ffmpeg, libpostproc-dev libavformat-dev are the candidates to look for
[05:22] <siretart> slomo: ah, I think I understand now what you mean
[05:22] <siretart> slomo: there were some concerns that a dynamically loaded ffmpeg would decrease performance, at least on i386
[05:23] <siretart> we have to examine this
[05:23] <slomo> theoretically it should
[05:23] <slomo> but it shouldn't be very much ;)
[05:24] <slomo> i wouldn't care for it... let's better make pitti happy for security updates, etc ;)
[05:25] <siretart> I've also heard that this objection wasn't true for modern binutils/gcc anymore
[05:25] <jpatrick> Spec: http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap57oi.png
[05:26] <slomo> siretart: at program start it should make a small difference... but that's it
[05:26] <slomo> at least afaik... you're the one who had compiler stuff at university already ;)
[05:28] <CarlFK> Toadstool: can you point me to a page that explains what the files are?  like ketchup's debian/control is "4" - what is 4?
[05:28] <siretart> it's not that easy
[05:29] <siretart> dynamic shared objects with elf are a science for themselves..
[05:30] <Toadstool> CarlFK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Tips?action=show&redirect=PackagingTips for example
[05:30] <slomo> siretart: ffmpeg is uploaded now
[05:31] <slomo> i have to do some of the packages anyway for libraw1394-8 transition
[05:31] <siretart> slomo: cool!
[05:32] <slomo> hrm
[05:32] <slomo> seems like all package may only need a rebuild
[05:32] <slomo> unless the ffmpeg guys broke the API again
[05:40] <Spec> jpatrick: what is meinhosting?
[05:40] <jpatrick> a hosting company
[05:41] <Spec> so you're switching from them to the ubuntu server?
[05:41] <jpatrick> Yes
[05:41] <Spec> so in dns just put www.kubuntu-es.org, and put the IP i gave you earlier
[05:41] <Spec> and for the bottom one i guess try to put kubuntu-es.org
[05:43] <jpatrick> Spec: ERROR: The server IP is not correct
[05:43] <Spec> you changed ns8.meinhosting.com -> www.kubuntu-es.org ?
[05:44] <jpatrick> yes
[05:44] <Spec> and this is for DNS right?
[05:44] <jpatrick> Yes
[05:45] <Spec> well, keep trying i guess, all i know is www.kubuntu-es.org needs to point to 69.60.114.106
[05:45] <jpatrick> Spec: look at /etc/hosts on ganges ?
[05:49] <Spec> where did .107 come from?
[05:50] <jpatrick>  /etc/network/interfaces
[05:54] <Spec> I just did: ifconfig eth0:1 69.60.114.107
[05:54] <Spec> can you point kubuntu-es.org to that IP?
[05:57] <jpatrick> invalid ip
[06:09] <ogra> wheee
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hehee
[06:09] <imbrandon> crimsun, ping
[06:10] <Hobbsee> crud!
[06:10] <Hobbsee> now i'm gonna get yelled at, i think :P
[06:10] <ogra> nah :)
[06:11] <Hobbsee> i think mum's up, and it's 2am, and she's already angry at me.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> mind you, if she is still angry, then maybe she'll leave me alone.
[06:12] <ozamosi> Hobbsee: run! Go to sleep!
[06:13] <Hobbsee> heh....this is starting to become routine, it sounds like :P
[06:13] <imbrandon> lol
[06:13] <ozamosi> Yesterday, when it was 5am and my mum got up to go to work, I was still up, but I think I managed to fake sleeping :)
[06:14] <imbrandon> lol @ ozamosi thats why i love living on my own, then again my wife could be pretty angary if i dident come to bed ;)
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ozamosi: hah
[06:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: not if she's asleep anyway?
[06:15] <imbrandon> if she is asleep its ok but if she wakes up for something and i'm on the computer, lol , all hell ...... well you can imagine
[06:15] <Hobbsee> hehe, yeah
[06:15] <Hobbsee> anyway, nigth all
[06:15] <imbrandon> gnight Hobbsee sleep well
[06:16] <imbrandon> dream of wifi cards that work without ndiswrapper
[06:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:17] <ogra> night Hobbsee
[06:34] <Hobbsee> exit
[06:34] <Hobbsee> gah.
[06:56] <_ion> Yeah.
[06:57] <Yagisan> it's only 3am. anyway, I've finished making promotion screenshots for my pet project, so I should drag myself to bed
[06:58] <_ion> Tue Jun 27 19:58:58 EEST 2006
[07:01] <chillywilly> I just upgraded to dapper amd64 but shorewall no longer logs to /var/log/messages like it used to
[07:02] <Yagisan> _ion: Wed Jun 28 03:18:25 EST 2006 here
[07:13] <TeacherTodd813> Someone has created a Debian package that's currently in the unstable branch on the Debian site, but it's not in the Ubuntu lists.
[07:14] <TeacherTodd813> How hard would it be to make it Ubuntu-friendly?
[07:15] <imbrandon> TeacherTodd813, if its un unstable it will most likely get synced to edgy
[07:17] <TeacherTodd813> What would I have to do to use it with Dapper?
[07:22] <TeacherTodd813> I mean, I'm willing to try packaging it for the Universe, but I need to know what I'm in for.
[07:22] <TeacherTodd813> Does the existence of a Debian package simplify things, or do I have to start from source anyway?
[07:23] <ogra> TeacherTodd813, you can only ask the backports team to try to build the edgy package in dapper
[07:23] <ogra> if that works they'll do a backport
[07:23] <TeacherTodd813> Does learning how to do this involve hours, days, or weeks of work?
[07:23] <ogra> just wait for it to be synced
[07:24] <bddebian> YEARS ;-)
[07:24] <TeacherTodd813> Ouch.
[07:25] <ozamosi> Hey, if you're lucky, you may be able to install the debian package (no guarrantees it will work, of course)
[07:25] <TeacherTodd813> Yeah. I read the little note that said, "Installing Debian packages could hose your system."
[07:25] <TeacherTodd813> Or something like that.
[07:26] <ogra> thats right
[07:26] <ogra> dont do it ...
[07:26] <TeacherTodd813> I'm planning to move my lab at school, which is currently Windows, to Ubuntu.
[07:26] <bddebian> TeacherTodd813: Nice.  Have you looked at Edubuntu?
[07:27] <ogra> apt-get build-dep <package> && apt-get source -b <package> && sudo dpkg -i <package>
[07:27] <TeacherTodd813> But I teach programming, and I need my Scheme interpreter...
[07:27] <ogra> thast how you can use debian packages from deb-src lines in your sources list ...
[07:27] <ogra> never use binarys not built for ubuntu
[07:28] <TeacherTodd813> So that would download the source and compile it locally?
[07:28] <TeacherTodd813> Would it do cool things like stick the program in the menu?
[07:29] <bddebian> If it has a .desktop file
[07:29] <ogra> if it doesnt, bddebian knows how to help you getting one in ;)
[07:31] <TeacherTodd813> But, seriously, if I were very motivated, and had summers off, how long would it take to package something for Ubuntu.
[07:31] <TeacherTodd813> And does having a Debian package already help?
[07:31] <bddebian> TeacherTodd813: It depends on your skill level.  You might be able to do it in a few hours.  Or if you are an idiot like me, it might take years. :-)
[07:32] <TeacherTodd813> (I did manage to compile from source and install it, but that's just not nearly as cool, doesn't make it available for everybody else, and doesn't get automatic updates.)
[07:33] <bddebian> Well SOMEONE has to package up those "automatic" updates too ya know.. ;-)
[07:34] <TeacherTodd813> Yeah. But I'm thinking of my students.
[07:34] <phanatic> evening
[07:34] <Gloubiboulga> export SOMEONE=bddebian
[07:34] <TeacherTodd813> I'm hoping to inspire some people to run Ubuntu at home.
[07:35] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic :)
[07:35] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[07:35] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: Heh, thanks buddy :-)
[07:35] <phanatic> heya Gloubiboulga and bddebian :)
[07:35] <Gloubiboulga> hehe, hi bddebian :)
[07:41] <phanatic> siretart: ping
[07:41] <TeacherTodd813> Thanks for the input, everybody.
[07:45] <nexu> " /usr/share/locale/locale.alias is also in package locales"
[07:45] <nexu> how do i solve that?
[07:46] <bddebian> nexu: Take it out :-)
[07:46] <nexu> but ... i never put it in o_O
[08:18] <crimsun> imbrandon: pong
[08:18] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[08:19] <imbrandon> hey , i was wondering if you could tell me the best way to debug a hardlock, i have a driver that hardlocks the system every time its loaded and unable to get a console etc i dont know how to debug
[08:20] <imbrandon> or even doa usefull bug report
[08:20] <imbrandon> etc
[08:20] <imbrandon> "blah.ko dosent work" kinda sucks
[08:20] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[08:21] <crimsun> hi bddebian
[08:22] <imbrandon> is dmesg cleared on every reboot ?
[08:22] <imbrandon> becosue the only thing i can do is hit power
[08:22] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[08:22] <crimsun> dmesg, the kernel ring, is active per-boot
[08:22] <crimsun> it's logged to /var/log/kern.log
[08:22] <crimsun> if you're extremely lucky, something will be in there
[08:23] <crimsun> otherwise, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[08:23] <imbrandon> ahh well its the rt8185 driver compiled from source from realteck site , kk thanks, i just wasent sure where to even start
[08:24] <imbrandon> realtek*
[08:28] <crimsun> if it won't respond to alt+sysrq, that's pretty bad shape
[08:32] <nexu> crimsun:
[08:32] <nexu> ius there a difference between how locale.alias is deal with on amd64 than i386 ?
[08:32] <crimsun> nexu: not that I'm aware, why?
[08:34] <nexu> crimsun: i have ppl that cant install the package i made on amd64 because of locale.alias file
[08:34] <nexu> i'm not its not even in the .deb
[08:34] <nexu> so i have no idea why it doesnt install for them
[08:35] <crimsun> please ask them for ``dpkg -D3773 -i foo.deb'' output
[08:35] <crimsun> barring that, strace -fF
[08:36] <nexu> i'm telling him to get on fnode
[08:36] <nexu> i'm not a relay messenger
[08:36] <nexu> x_x
[08:38] <nexu> crimsun: check on #bmp
[08:43] <ivoks> uh
[08:45] <jpatrick> hi
[08:46] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[08:52] <ivoks> hi
[08:53] <ivoks> last missing app for linux i needed is here
[08:53] <bddebian> w00t
[08:53] <ivoks> bricscad
[08:56] <crimsun> would someone please import 0xC88ABDA3 from keyserver.ubuntu.com and confirm its expiration date?
[08:59] <Gloubiboulga> pub   1024D/C88ABDA3 2003-06-23 [expires: 2007-06-26] 
[08:59] <bddebian> Gah, beat me to it :-)
[08:59] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[08:59] <crimsun> Gloubiboulga: excellent, thank you
[09:00] <Gloubiboulga> crimsun, np
[09:00] <crimsun> apparently despite my having taking steps to use an unexpired key (I uploaded to wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net 2 days ago), it still hasn't synced.
[09:01] <crimsun> when in doubt, swiftly kick the key in the pants.
[09:05] <bddebian> heh
[09:05] <crimsun> hah
[09:05] <bddebian> ho
[09:05] <crimsun> indeed, my hackaround has succeeded
[09:06] <crimsun> never again will I upload to wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net.
[09:38] <bddebian> Grr, why the hell does my edgy pbuilder keep using dapper repos??
[09:38] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[09:41] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[09:41] <LaserJock> cause you aren't telling it to do the right thing? :-)
[09:41] <bddebian> Even if I pass mirror= and/or othermirror= it still uses dapper
[09:42] <LaserJock> are you using --overide-config ?
[09:42] <LaserJock> or whatever it is
[09:42] <bddebian> Yep
[09:42] <bddebian> and --distribution edgy
[09:43] <LaserJock> and are you using sources.list in /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/?
[09:46] <bddebian> Well that is the issue.  If I change that it will dick up my dapper pbuilder won't it?
[09:47] <bddebian> I have my pbuilder-edgy script.  Is there some way I can make a unique pbuilderrc for that?
[09:49] <LaserJock> bddebian: the way I used to do it was have seperate pbuilderrc and apt.config/ in ~/ for each pbuilder
[09:49] <LaserJock> but now I just use the script that comes with pbuilder and I haven't had any problems that I know of
[09:50] <bddebian> Hmm, OK, thx
[09:51] <crimsun> the script is far easier to use in 99% of the cases
[09:51] <bddebian> Are you referring to pbuilder.sh ?
[09:52] <crimsun> /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh
[09:54] <Sp4rKy> hi
[09:58] <bddebian> crimsun: That's the one I used for /usr/local/bin/pbuild-edgy
[09:58] <bddebian> Heya Sp4rKy
[10:00] <Sp4rKy> hey bddebian
[10:01] <Sp4rKy> i've few strange issue with audacious packaging :/
[10:02] <Sp4rKy> E: audacious: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libaudacious.so.2.0.0
[10:03] <Sp4rKy> so i've tried to create my own shlibs.local file
[10:03] <Sp4rKy> but i've this  :
[10:07] <Sp4rKy> max@Sp4rKy-laptop (22:06) /home/max/audacious/audacious-1.0.0 #dpkg-shlibdeps -O ~/ppp/usr/bin/audacious
[10:07] <Sp4rKy> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libaudacious.so not recognized
[10:07] <Sp4rKy> shlibs:Depends=libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.5.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.3), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxi6, libxinerama1, libxml2 (>= 2.6.24), libxrandr2, libxrender1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
[10:07] <Sp4rKy> and no line started by "dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency"
[10:07] <Sp4rKy> so i don't need to create a shlibs.local filoe, right ?
[10:10] <crimsun> you can make an override for it
[10:11] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: but why do i have this message ?
[10:11] <Sp4rKy> all the output is :
[10:12] <Sp4rKy> max@Sp4rKy-laptop (21:50) /home/max/e17apt #lintian /var/cache/pbuilder/result/audacious_1.0.0-1_i386.deb /var/cache/pbuilder/result/audacious-dev_1.0.0-1_i386.deb
[10:12] <Sp4rKy> Tried to issue unknown tag unknown-interpreter
[10:12] <Sp4rKy> E: audacious: ldconfig-symlink-referencing-wrong-file usr/lib/libaudacious.so -> /tmp/buildd/audacious-1.0.0/debian/audacious/usr/lib/libaudacious.so.2.0.0 instead of libaudacious.so.2.0.0
[10:12] <Sp4rKy> W: audacious: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libaudacious.so.2.0.0 usr/lib/libaudacious.so
[10:12] <Sp4rKy> E: audacious: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libaudacious.so.2.0.0
[10:12] <Sp4rKy> W: audacious: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libaudacious
[10:12] <Sp4rKy> Tried to issue unknown tag unknown-interpreter
[10:12] <Sp4rKy> zsh: exit 1     lintian /var/cache/pbuilder/result/audacious_1.0.0-1_i386.deb
[10:13] <bddebian> aaaahhh why doesn't this work...
[10:14] <Sp4rKy> i've no personnal ldconfig "symlinkage"
[10:14] <bddebian> crimsun: How do you use that script?
[10:14] <crimsun> bddebian: I don't. I use conffiles.
[10:14] <bddebian> crimsun: How do you do that?
[10:15] <LaserJock> I just do something like "pbuilder-dapper create" and then "pbuilder-dapper update" or "pbuilder-dapper build *.dsc"
[10:15] <LaserJock> brb
[10:15] <crimsun> bddebian: I have separate conffiles for each flavor from hoary{,-backports}, breezy{,-backports}, dapper{,-backports}, and edgy
[10:16] <bddebian> crimsun: Aye, but where?  And how do you tell pbuilder which ones to use?  Do you use --configfile?
[10:17] <crimsun> bddebian: ~/.pbuilder{,hoary{,-backports},breezy{,-backports},dapper{,-backports}}
[10:17] <crimsun> err
[10:17] <crimsun> bddebian: ~/.pbuilderrc.{,hoary{,-backports},breezy{,-backports},dapper{,-backports}}
[10:17] <crimsun> my ~/.pbuilderrc. always tracks the current dev
[10:17] <Sp4rKy> pleassseeee
[10:18] <bddebian> So, ~/.pbuilderrc.edgy will get picked up automagically?
[10:18] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: You are building a library in the package
[10:18] <bddebian> Did you intend to?
[10:19] <crimsun> bddebian: no, if I invoke pbuilder, I get an error intentionally. I moved /etc/pbuilder{rc,/pbuilderrc} into /usr/local/pbuilder/  and deliberately named ~/.pbuilderrc. (instead of ~/.pbuilderrc) so that I /have/ to use --configfile
[10:20] <crimsun> bddebian: that way I'm forced to think about which pbuilder I want to use
[10:20] <crimsun> (when you do things the hard way, you want to make sure you have some sort of checks in place)
[10:21] <Gloubiboulga> grr, thunderbird send my mails with the wrong address
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> bddebian: yes
[10:23] <bddebian> crimsun: This is in my script, shouldn't it do the same thing?
[10:23] <bddebian>    sudo pbuilder $OPERATION \
[10:23] <bddebian>       --configfile $HOME/pbuild-edgy/pbuilderrc \
[10:23] <bddebian>       --basetgz $BASE_DIR/$DISTRIBUTION-base.tgz \
[10:23] <bddebian>       --distribution $DISTRIBUTION \
[10:24] <crimsun> bddebian: I don't know what you have in $HOME/pbuild-edgy/pbuilderrc
[10:25] <crimsun> (the point of the script is to mitigate the need for multiple conffiles, so...)
[10:26] <bddebian> Well I'm trying to split the difference :-)
[10:26] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: for the first lintian error, you shouldn't have that path hardcoded.
[10:27] <LaserJock> bddebian: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16652 is my pbuilder-dapper script
[10:27] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: for the first lintian warning, .so goes in audacious-dev, not in audacious
[10:27] <LaserJock> bddebian: all you would have to do is replace DISTRIBUTION to get edgy
[10:28] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: for the second lintian error, you can either create an override or use a .local.
[10:28] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: like i've said, i haven't hardcoded this path (i think) and i haven't create any symlink :/
[10:29] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: wait, what binary packages does your source package generate?
[10:29] <bddebian> Laser_away: Have you actually created an edgy one yet? :-)
[10:29] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: /usr/bin/audacious
[10:30] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: /packages/ not executables
[10:30] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: oups , audacious and aoudacious-dev
[10:31] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: You need to make sure the .so stuff goes to audacious-dev package, not audacious
[10:31] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: so where does libaudacious come from?
[10:32] <bddebian> This is stupid
[10:33] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: hopefully you're not generating a libaudacious binary package?
[10:33] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: no
[10:33] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: do you have this source package posted publicly?
[10:33] <crimsun> bddebian: gimme a sec, I'll try the script route
[10:34] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: yes (audacious at revu)
[10:44] <crimsun> bddebian: sec, just double-checking my adjustment
[10:44] <bddebian> I think I'm an idiot
[10:44] <bddebian> Well I know I'm an idiot but I think I did something stupid
[10:45] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure all you need is one line
[10:45] <crimsun> just verifying
[10:47] <bddebian> Hmm, can you not use the ~ in a config file?
[10:47] <crimsun> I don't for sanity reasons.
[10:48] <crimsun> you shouldn't have to use a conffile at all
[10:50] <bddebian> Hah, got it
[10:50] <bddebian> POS
[10:51] <crimsun> zing.
[10:51] <bddebian> zing?
[10:53] <crimsun> the only line you needed was:
[10:53] <crimsun> --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu $DISTRIBUTION universe main restricted multiverse \
[10:53] <bddebian> If you say so :-)
[10:53] <crimsun> I just verified it.
[10:54] <crimsun> works fine
[10:57] <bddebian> Hmm, insight is only upgraded on i386 and m68k
[10:57] <crimsun> it's upgraded at all?
[10:59] <bddebian> crimsun: For i386 and m68k:  6.3.50+cvs.2005.11.16-1
[11:01] <crimsun> heh, pretty spectacular failures on the other arches
[11:01] <bddebian> :-)
[11:01] <sivang> have universe mergers started already?
[11:02] <ogra> sivang, see the release schedule
[11:02] <crimsun> make[4] : *** [../.././bfd/doc/bfd.info]  Error 1
[11:02] <crimsun> due to missing makeinfo
[11:02] <bddebian> heh
[11:02] <sivang> ogra: ah right, I had issue setting it up in my evo ;-)
[11:03] <imbrandon> hrm is there an edgy script for --> /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts
[11:03] <crimsun> just add texinfo to the build-depends, that would work.
[11:03] <bddebian> crimsun: Bring it over?
[11:03] <crimsun> bddebian: err?
[11:03] <bddebian> crimsun: Should I try to build the newer version?
[11:04] <crimsun> bddebian: sure
[11:04] <StevenK> Ouch! UVF is in the middle of July.
[11:04] <crimsun> imbrandon: ...?
[11:05] <bddebian> imbrandon: No, you have to build a dapper pbuilder then update afaik
[11:05] <crimsun> imbrandon: are you /running/ edgy?
[11:05] <imbrandon> no makin a dpbuilder for edgy in dapper
[11:05] <imbrandon> s/d//
[11:05] <crimsun> dapper's pbuilder has no such script.
[11:06] <crimsun> unless you copied it by hand, only 0.3.3.0ubuntu3 [edgy]  has it
[11:06] <sivang> crimsun: I recall Scott saying that if you use LC_ALL="C" then it works, otherwise it explodes
[11:06] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ ./pbuilder-edgy create
[11:06] <imbrandon> W: /home/brandon/.pbuilderrc does not exist
[11:06] <imbrandon> Distribution is edgy.
[11:06] <imbrandon> Building the build environment
[11:06] <imbrandon>  -> running debootstrap
[11:06] <imbrandon> /usr/sbin/debootstrap
[11:06] <imbrandon> E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/edgy
[11:06] <ogra> imbrandon, just upgrade a dapper pbuilder
[11:06] <crimsun> imbrandon: ...that's precisely what I'm saying.
[11:06] <imbrandon> kk
[11:06] <ogra> see the PbuilderHowto
[11:07] <crimsun> imbrandon: if you want to use the scripts, the easiest way is simply to add that one line I pasted above for bddebian
[11:07] <crimsun> 16:53 < crimsun> --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu  $DISTRIBUTION universe main restricted multiverse \
[11:07] <imbrandon> i am
[11:07] <imbrandon> thats in ./pbuilder-edgy
[11:08] <crimsun> I named mine pbuilder-edgy.sh
[11:08] <imbrandon> yea same thing
[11:08] <crimsun> oh, you didn't remove --distribution
[11:08] <crimsun> that's the other adjustment I made
[11:09] <imbrandon> no i dident , hrm here is what i use exactly, lemme pastebin it
[11:09] <crimsun> it falls back to dapper when you remove the --distribution line
[11:09] <crimsun> then because of --othermirror it will dist-upgrade to edgy automatically after dapper base is bootstrapped
[11:10] <imbrandon> ahh ok, but please scan this to make sure
[11:10] <imbrandon> but i will remove --distr
[11:10] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16658
[11:11] <crimsun> http://pastebin.ca/73447
[11:12] <imbrandon> crimsun, hrm ok so i create it with no --distro and then add it back with "edgy" and update
[11:12] <imbrandon> ?
[11:13] <imbrandon> hrm that wont work
[11:13] <imbrandon> becosue the dir names
[11:13] <imbrandon> gah
[11:13] <crimsun> imbrandon: just cp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh over and apply the diff I gave you
[11:13] <ogra> If you want to rebuild a package from universe or build a new one that needs a package out of main you will need to edit /etc/pbuilderrc again, changing:
[11:13] <ogra>     OTHERMIRROR="deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse"
[11:13] <ogra> Now you need to update your chroot with the new configuration:
[11:13] <ogra>     sudo pbuilder update --distribution breezy --override-config
[11:14] <bddebian> Uh oh, I think I started something :-)
[11:14] <ogra> replace breezy with edgy there
[11:14] <ogra> thats quoted from the wikipage
[11:14] <ogra> and works well here
[11:15] <imbrandon> orga but i'm running multipals of the from scripts and base dirs i already have created, i would rather understand why i'm changing somehting than just to change it
[11:15] <imbrandon> IE there is no edgy debootstrap yet for dapper
[11:16] <crimsun> imbrandon: the reason my diff works is precisly due to what ogra pasted
[11:16] <imbrandon> gah but .... ok i'm not explaining myself correct
[11:17] <ogra> because there is no edgy debootstrap for dapper you need to upgrade a existing chroot ... whats so problematic about that  ?
[11:18] <imbrandon> orga becouse i based my dirs off off $distrobution , personal problem i guess
[11:18] <sivang> anyways the result is the same, so what should you care?
[11:18] <imbrandon> right right
[11:20] <sivang> imbrandon: :-)
[11:21] <sivang> imbrandon: I did not get the problem about how you based your dir off of $distrobution? is this s special way to name the chroot's root dir?
[11:26] <imbrandon> sivang, misundersatand ing by me
[11:26] <imbrandon> crimsun, i put that patch on and still get ......
[11:26] <bddebian> Doh
[11:27] <bddebian> checking system version (for dynamic loading)... ../.././tcl/unix/configure: line 7061: syntax error near unexpected token `)'
[11:27] <bddebian> ../.././tcl/unix/configure: line 7061: `        OSF*)'
[11:27] <imbrandon> err nevermind crim
[11:29] <tefera> a friend needs to join https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-am. but the menu boxes that hold the "join" link do not apear on the page. we tried wih other pages. It seems it works on some not on the others.
[11:36] <crimsun> imbrandon: ?
[11:36] <imbrandon> i got it nm
[11:36] <imbrandon> thanks though
[11:36] <crimsun> k
[11:36] <bddebian> crimsun: You think the error above just needs a reconf?
[11:37] <crimsun> bddebian: more than likely, but I haven't test-built
[11:37] <yipe> no this isn't right...
[11:38] <bddebian> crimsun: OK, dumb question time.  autoreconf -f -i -s fails.  How the hell do I know when to use that vs autoconf, etc?
[11:39] <crimsun> bddebian: autoreconf should do all that for you (instead of invoking aclocal, automake, autoheader, autoconf)
[11:39] <crimsun> bddebian: what does it fail on?
[11:40] <bddebian> /usr/share/aclocal/KXL.m4:6: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_KXL
[11:40] <bddebian> configure.in:2121: error: possibly undefined macro: AS_FOR_TARGET
[11:40] <bddebian>       If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
[11:40] <bddebian>       See the Autoconf documentation.
[11:40] <bddebian> autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1
[11:40] <slomo_> bddebian: you may need to set a newer default automake version via update-alternatives
[11:47] <bddebian> slomo_: There is a newer version that 1.9?
[11:47] <bddebian> s/that/than/
[11:47] <slomo_> no
[12:00] <bddebian> Later folks.  Thanks for your time/patience crimsun :-)