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| DaSkreech | How goes the edgy merge? | 12:16 |
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| allee | uniq: see /usr/share/autostart/kpowersave-autostart.desktop for an example 'not bounces' example | 12:43 |
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| DaSkreech | Can I edit the entries for KDM? | 01:18 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 01:42 |
| DaSkreech | hi | 01:42 |
| bddebian | Hello DaSkreech | 01:43 |
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| DaSkreech | Night all! | 02:43 |
| nixternal | nite | 02:43 |
| nixternal | a little early isn't it? | 02:43 |
| nixternal | guess not | 02:43 |
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| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee ;) | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | hey nixternal | 05:28 |
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| nixternal_ | g'nite everyone | 08:04 |
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| insanekane | how does one add more packages to the bug report ? | 10:35 |
| insanekane | currently, my bug report has only "Ubuntu" ... i want to add "Openoffice" | 10:35 |
| insanekane | err, i'm talking about launchpad here :) | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | hi insanekane | 10:36 |
| Hobbsee | insanekane: bug number? | 10:36 |
| insanekane | Hobbsee: the clipping thingy | 10:36 |
| insanekane | Hobbsee: 50771 | 10:36 |
| insanekane | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/50771 | 10:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 50771 in Ubuntu "Malayalam text is cut off at the top and right hand side" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 10:37 |
| Hobbsee | bug 50771 | 10:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 50771 in Ubuntu "Malayalam text is cut off at the top and right hand side" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50771 | 10:37 |
| Hobbsee | ah yeah | 10:37 |
| Hobbsee | oh, right, you're kane as well | 10:37 |
| insanekane | yep | 10:37 |
| insanekane | no, i'm not kane .. | 10:37 |
| insanekane | kane is supposedly someone else :) | 10:37 |
| === insanekane thought he was the only kane | ||
| Hobbsee | hmmm..some _kane was talking about tha tbug before | 10:38 |
| insanekane | Hobbsee: yes, thats me ... "kane_" | 10:38 |
| insanekane | the _ because I don't have "kane" | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | anyway, you can change it from ubuntu as the source package, or just add a new group | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 10:39 |
| insanekane | though, i thought I always was kane | 10:39 |
| insanekane | Hobbsee: add a new group ? | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | ie, choose the package it actually relates to | 10:39 |
| insanekane | Hobbsee: yes, thats what i am unable to do .. | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | er, sorry, as in, ubuntu is a group. to add another, you hit add distrobution, mark teh distro as ubuntu, and choose the source package | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | but i'd just click ubuntu, choose the source package, and reassign it there | 10:40 |
| insanekane | eh ... stupid webapps :P | 10:40 |
| insanekane | Hobbsee: thanks | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as ubuntu is the generic i-dont-know-where-to-assign-this-package page. | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | insanekane: not a problem | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | morning Riddell | 10:49 |
| Riddell | hi mornfall | 10:54 |
| Riddell | err, hi Hobbsee | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: hehe... | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: must not be terribly awake yet :P | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: fixed kde, or is it still borked? | 10:54 |
| Riddell | I've not touched it so I expect the problem still exists whatever it is | 10:54 |
| Riddell | so I need to make lots of chroots to work out what's causing the problem | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | hehe right | 10:55 |
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| mornfall | hi | 11:26 |
| Riddell | hi mornfall | 11:26 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, now you can say hi mornfall :P | 11:29 |
| mornfall | :-) | 11:30 |
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| Riddell | hunger: you have a broken edgy? | 12:51 |
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| Riddell | hi Mez | 01:03 |
| Riddell | Mez: do you know the current status of backports? | 01:03 |
| Mez | Riddell: I've no clue to be perfectly honest | 01:04 |
| Mez | why | 01:04 |
| Riddell | just wondering if it was working or not | 01:05 |
| Riddell | do you know who's inchage of it now? | 01:05 |
| Mez | me still, technically | 01:05 |
| Riddell | I think requests get given to ubuntu-archive but soyuz isn't yet able to process them | 01:05 |
| Mez | last I heard - adam was working on sorting that out to make it work properly... but yeah - they were just being listed as pending by soyuz last time I saw | 01:06 |
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| imbrandon | morning everyone | 01:51 |
| === imbrandon yawns * | ||
| === Mez shoves a sock in imbrandon's motuh | ||
| Mez | mouth * | 01:52 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 01:52 |
| imbrandon | how go's it Mez | 01:52 |
| jpatrick | imbrandon: I think Mez went to pub last night | 01:52 |
| imbrandon | lol | 01:52 |
| Mez | jpatrick, i wish | 01:52 |
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| Hobbsee | Mez! | 01:58 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee!!! | 01:58 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | hey jpatrick! you've come out of your corner hey? | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon :) | 01:58 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: i'm always in the corner | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:59 |
| imbrandon | jpatrick, has a laptop in the corner with him | 02:00 |
| imbrandon | and the sock i tossed over there i got from Mez ;) | 02:01 |
| Mez | Hobbsee!!! *huggles* | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | *huggles Mez* | 02:01 |
| Mez | imbrandon, but! that was a special sock! | 02:02 |
| imbrandon | ohhhhh , runs and grabs it back before jpatrick claims it | 02:03 |
| === Mez eats a lot of peaches | ||
| Mez | maybe I should move to the country too | 02:03 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:03 |
| Mez | if i had my little way, I'd eat peaches every day | 02:03 |
| Mez | Riddell: ping | 02:03 |
| jpatrick | Mez: nice taste you've got in music | 02:04 |
| Riddell | Mez: hi | 02:04 |
| Mez | jpatrick, of course :D | 02:04 |
| Mez | Riddell: we should have a kubuntu quotes database ;) | 02:04 |
| Riddell | could be dangerous | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: oh dear, does that mean i'd be in most of them? | 02:04 |
| Mez | Riddell: but fun | 02:05 |
| Mez | Riddell: got DNS control over kubuntu.org ? | 02:05 |
| jpatrick | I can see it now: Quote #1: [14:04] <Riddell> jpatrick: you're fired! | 02:05 |
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| imbrandon | lol @ jpatrick or " imbrandon has left #kubuntu-devel ( Requested by Riddell ) " | 02:10 |
| Riddell | Mez: I don't | 02:10 |
| apokryphos | we should get the quote feature implemented into ubotu, he used to have it | 02:10 |
| imbrandon | or ubugtu probbly now since seveas took all the fun stuff out of ubotu | 02:11 |
| === Hobbsee looks for the merging docs. | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: can we still merge kde based stuff if kde isnt built yet? isnt that kinda crazy? | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ubuntu-sync.html <-- its a start atleaste | 02:12 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, me and jpatrick successfully built ( looks like the buildds did too looking at the log's ) kbfx last night | 02:13 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: KDE is built, although it needs rebuilt | 02:13 |
| imbrandon | the core kde stuff is in | 02:13 |
| Mez | KDE4 ? | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right....when will it be rebuilt? | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: no | 02:13 |
| imbrandon | Mez, 3.5.3 | 02:13 |
| Mez | :'( | 02:13 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: qt is being so now, I'll throw up kdelibs when that's done | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | right | 02:14 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, how slow are those buildds machines heh , i looked at the kbfx log for the amd64 version and it took 13 minutes to build but takes less than 60 seconds on my box | 02:14 |
| imbrandon | or are they just bogged down most of the time with builds | 02:15 |
| jpatrick | imbrandon: i think it has multiple things building at once | 02:15 |
| imbrandon | ahh figured as much | 02:15 |
| imbrandon | anyhow jpatrick looks like it built fine on all arches ;) | 02:16 |
| imbrandon | ( is suprised lol ) | 02:16 |
| jpatrick | imbrandon: and that's what counts | 02:16 |
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| Riddell | imbrandon: setting up and taking down the chroot takes time | 02:17 |
| imbrandon | ahhh yea thats true it has to resetup for every build | 02:17 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: and it only looks for newly uploaded packages every hour then the move to archive job only runs every half hour | 02:17 |
| imbrandon | yea i was talking about the actual build time , but i dident think about the chroots | 02:18 |
| imbrandon | actualy i was look at the time LP reported " Built 2006-06-27 16:17:35 CDT by crested (amd64) in 13 minutes " i'm assuming thats the actual build time ( but probbly setting up the chroot and all ) | 02:19 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: but you can still merge stuff locally | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: huh? | 02:29 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: you can build stuff find on your local machine | 02:29 |
| Riddell | s/find/fine/ | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that's true | 02:30 |
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| === Hobbsee attempts merging. | ||
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| === Mez wubbles pre-made code that he knows WAAAAAYYYY too well | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:50 |
| imbrandon | heh | 02:51 |
| === Hobbsee shoudl be able to do this - she made all the changes from the debian | ||
| ajmitch_ | Hobbsee: I'd hope so | 02:51 |
| ajmitch_ | then you get to nag someone to upload :) | 02:51 |
| Mez | $DB->connect(); | 02:51 |
| Mez | :wub: | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch_ | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch_: want the honours? didnt know you were watching :P | 02:51 |
| ajmitch_ | hey imbrandon | 02:51 |
| ajmitch_ | Hobbsee: I glance at the channels every so often | 02:51 |
| ajmitch_ | in between coding | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm. | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch_: the dh_iconcache stuff in debhelper files didnt get included in debian unstable, did it? | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | it was only cdbs, without a separate kde.mk? | 02:53 |
| ajmitch_ | not that I know of | 02:53 |
| ajmitch_ | but I haven't been following that closely | 02:54 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, probbly not ( dosent know for sure though ) | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | right | 02:54 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, if a package has NOCHANGE on ( https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates ) it will just get imported from dapper right ? no action required ? | 02:55 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: that means nothing needs to be done, the ubuntu version is newest upstream and newer than debian | 02:55 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: so yes it'll be imported from dapper | 02:55 |
| imbrandon | kk thats what i thought , thanks | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | okay, i *think* i've avoided killing it. | 02:59 |
| jjesse | Riddell: can the image that is in the UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue5 be made smaller? it scrolls off my page | 03:15 |
| Riddell | jjesse: I'm trying to work out how to get it to just disply the URL in the wiki | 03:15 |
| jjesse | ah ok | 03:15 |
| jjesse | btw changed KubuntuKioskProfiles to make the launchpad link work | 03:16 |
| Riddell | thanks | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | crud, i cant spell. | 03:17 |
| === Mez plays a lil | ||
| Hobbsee | cant spell resynchronise. | 03:19 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, you just did | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: yes, but i didnt in the changelog | 03:23 |
| Riddell | Mez: backports news is here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue5 | 03:23 |
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| Mez | Riddell, huhu? | 03:26 |
| jjesse | announcment of backports for dapper being open | 03:26 |
| Mez | who made that ? | 03:27 |
| Mez | i wasnt aware | 03:27 |
| Riddell | Mez: you've not been online to be told | 03:27 |
| Mez | yet I have email, SMS :D | 03:27 |
| Riddell | looks like it's jdong's doing | 03:29 |
| Mez | more thgan likely - I'm happy with that though | 03:30 |
| Mez | he is after all my second in line | 03:30 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 04:08 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: how do i test if a deb is installable with pbuilder, or create a chroot? | 04:09 |
| === Hobbsee seems to be havign extreme trouble with this. | ||
| bddebian | Hobbsee: You can either do a pbuilder login and install your deb in there or you can use a chroot. | 04:09 |
| bddebian | Getting the .deb into a pbuilder login can be fun sometimes :-) | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: how do i do the former? | 04:10 |
| bddebian | I was using a local apt setup | 04:10 |
| bddebian | There is a wiki on it somewhere | 04:10 |
| === Hobbsee might just upgrade to edgy and be done with it :P | ||
| Hobbsee | bddebian: okay, how do i create a chroot then? | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | !chroot | 04:11 |
| ubotu | I know nothing about chroot | 04:11 |
| bddebian | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocalAptGetRepository | 04:11 |
| kwwii | http://bootsplash.org/kdm-edgy_concept.png | 04:13 |
| kwwii | my first ideas | 04:13 |
| Riddell | kwwii: oooh! | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: nice! | 04:13 |
| kwwii | it depends on the bg pic though...gotta find a nice one :-) | 04:14 |
| jjesse | that looks nice i like it | 04:14 |
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| jjesse | so can i create a edgy virtual machine yet? | 04:14 |
| Riddell | jjesse: yes | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | oh my...that looks kubuntu yet gnomish? | 04:15 |
| jjesse | just install dapper and change the sources to edgy? | 04:15 |
| Riddell | although kde might be all broken | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i thought you'd fixed that? | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | and is kde installable but broken, or not even installable? | 04:16 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: looks like qt is mostly compiled, I'll throw up kdelibs now | 04:16 |
| Riddell | it's installable but broken | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | right | 04:16 |
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| Hobbsee | might be worth upgrading to edgy, unless there's an easier way to do this. | 04:20 |
| Riddell | to do what? | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: to test that the package created while merging actually works. | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | or are we not bothering to do that | 04:28 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: create an edgy chroot | 04:29 |
| Riddell | well, create a dapper one and dist-upgrade it | 04:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i cant create a chroot, it wont let me! | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/buildd | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | i'd like to do it thru pbuilder, cos then it's clean every time, but cant seem to figure out how to, and the documentation it is either hidden, non-existant, or crap. | 04:30 |
| Riddell | mkdir edgy; sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd dapper edgy/ | 04:31 |
| jjesse | what about the packaging guide does it help you? | 04:31 |
| Riddell | sudo sed -i s/dapper/edgy/ edgy/apt/sources.list | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: not that i saw | 04:34 |
| jjesse | Hobbsee: then it should be updated to help out | 04:35 |
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| Hobbsee | jjesse: it should | 04:35 |
| jjesse | ping laserjock he wrote it | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: particularly a section to check if a deb is actually installable, that you've created with pbuilder. | 04:36 |
| jjesse | to get an edgy virtual machine running is it best to install dapper and then change the sources to edgy or is there a download for it yet? | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: dist upgrade, i believe | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: for these syncs, are you preferring uploads to revu, or diffs between the latest debian, and latest ubuntu? | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | s/syncs/merges | 04:41 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: uploads to revu | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right | 04:42 |
| bddebian | Hobbsee: Bah, just upload to edgy ;-) | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: i'm *so* tempted - the fact that kde is broken has stopped me so far. | 04:43 |
| Riddell | bddebian: Hobbsee doesn't have upload right yet unless I missed something | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | oh yeah | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | misread that | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i'm thinking about going for them eventually though. | 04:46 |
| bddebian | Riddell: So give them to her :) | 04:46 |
| bddebian | Hell if they trust me to upload, they should trust anyone ;-P | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: next tech board meeting is at 6am. and we all know how great i am at mornings. | 04:48 |
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| jjesse | umm not great??? | 04:48 |
| jjesse | :P | 04:48 |
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| Hobbsee | hehehe | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | mind you, it's almost one am, and i'm still wide awake. | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | i think i should be doing uni by night :P | 04:50 |
| jjesse | well go to bed | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | that'll just send me insanely mad. | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | okay, first merge is uploading. | 05:01 |
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| Hobbsee | bddebian: feel like uploading for me? | 05:01 |
| jjesse | Riddell: the link to the photo is not correct on the Newsletter | 05:02 |
| Riddell | jjesse: well I don't know how to include the link and not have it displayed inline | 05:06 |
| jjesse | wierd | 05:07 |
| jjesse | the key sure is nice to put faces on people you talk to online :) | 05:07 |
| Riddell | sladen should do an imagemapped version at some point | 05:08 |
| jjesse | awesome | 05:08 |
| bddebian | Hobbsee: Is it Universe? | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: yep | 05:09 |
| bddebian | Sure | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 05:09 |
| Riddell | _Sime: have you filled in your half term mentor application? http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_home.html | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: it's ksudoku, it's on revu | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: well, it uploaded, right now i cnat see it. | 05:11 |
| bddebian | Aye, I don't see it yet either | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: revu updates every 5 min, right? | 05:14 |
| bddebian | I thought so | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | thta's what i thought too. it's been about 15. | 05:15 |
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| jjesse | 222 packages when i change my sources to edgy :) | 05:24 |
| imbrandon | heh i have a edgy chroot and a edgy pbuilder ( broke atm ) and a edgy vmware image | 05:24 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | wow | 05:25 |
| imbrandon | not quite ready to run it full on till kde starts up clean ;) | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: does it work though? :P | 05:25 |
| jjesse | Hobbsee: still updating :) | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | hehe right | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, my vmware machine "works" but kde is unable to start atm | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm right | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | and its updated upto the minute so far, dist-upgraded a few times | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | but console login works ok | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | and gnome works ok | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | bleh. yeah | 05:27 |
| Hobbsee | gnome :( | 05:27 |
| imbrandon | just no kdm / kde atm | 05:27 |
| imbrandon | heheh yea thats what i said, i oped to use consoel on edgy till kde works lol | 05:27 |
| jjesse | hmmm lots of errors on perl | 05:28 |
| imbrandon | but i have a feeling Riddell is feverishly getting ti done ( seen lots of changes on the list lately ) | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | true | 05:28 |
| jjesse | is there a log of an update? | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | he probably knows he'll get shot if he doesnt fix it soonish :P | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: edgychanges list? | 05:28 |
| jjesse | on my local box | 05:28 |
| imbrandon | jjesse, not sure you can make one >> log.txt etc | 05:28 |
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| jjesse | cause everything that has perl in it is giving errors about the local language | 05:29 |
| imbrandon | jjesse, honestly its very broken atm though not much good except to fix things | 05:29 |
| imbrandon | jjesse, chroot ? | 05:29 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: you'll need to wait for the new kdelibs and kdebase before it'll work | 05:29 |
| jjesse | virtual machine | 05:29 |
| jjesse | dist-upgraded from dapper | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | jjesse, export LANG=C | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, yea | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | i figured as much was just givin ya some room | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | workin with the chroot atm to do things, and testing in vm once in a while | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | chroots are a beuitifull thing ;) | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | when they work, and are documented. | 05:32 |
| imbrandon | chroots are documented well, not pbuilders ummm lol | 05:32 |
| === imbrandon dosent quite understand pbuilders totaly yet | ||
| imbrandon | other than it rebuilds the chroot every time its used | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: pbuilder docs arent bad for most things... | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: it's pretty much that. run pdebuild with a few switches in the source dir, it grabs the deps it needs, it builds, it signs at the end | 05:35 |
| imbrandon | chroots are too as long as you rember that its not ubuntu specific, look at the debian / gentoo doc's and mesh them all ;) | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | just update it every once in a while | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | ditto pbuilder | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | debian doc for pbuilder is pretty good | 05:35 |
| imbrandon | yea | 05:35 |
| imbrandon | i'll get my edgy pbuilder to work later , actualy i got a good start on it ( built a dapper one, just need to figure out how to update the base.tgz to edgy heh ) | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: separate config files | 05:37 |
| imbrandon | yea have a sep edgy one | 05:37 |
| imbrandon | but afaik ytou have ato start with dapper and upgrade it as there isnt a debootstrap for edgy yet | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, that's not hard | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | copy dapper info over, except the config file, then change the sources list, then dist-upgrade | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | that's the thing i've had *least* troubles with | 05:38 |
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| imbrandon | thats where i'm at atm , but i'll fix it later, might prod ya when you wake up tomarrow ( after some wakin up ofcourse hehe ) | 05:38 |
| imbrandon | yea thats how i build me edgy chroots ( just dist upgrade dapper ones ) | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: sure | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | so you going for TB heheh /me runs | 05:40 |
| === Hobbsee is thinking about it. | ||
| imbrandon | err s/TB/MOTU | 05:40 |
| imbrandon | worst can happen is they say go forth and practice some more | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | really | 05:41 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, but...i dont like hearing that | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | true | 05:41 |
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| Hobbsee | i dont really have trouble with getting uploaders, except when it's late at night. | 05:42 |
| imbrandon | prod ajmitch_ and Riddell and bddebian and a few other MOTU's that do uploads for you konw and ask them honest opinions if you should | 05:43 |
| imbrandon | s/konw/now | 05:43 |
| === bddebian thinks she should :-) | ||
| === Hobbsee knows more or less what ajmitch_ will say. | ||
| imbrandon | i think you should too, and honestly the opinion of your MOTU sponsors will carry good weight i think | 05:44 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm. | 05:44 |
| imbrandon | like bddebian ;) | 05:44 |
| === Hobbsee would be likely to just fall asleep in the meeting. | ||
| jpatrick | that rules me out | 05:44 |
| bddebian | imbrandon: My opinion is worthless | 05:45 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: rubbish. | 05:45 |
| freeflying-g4 | Riddell: cmake can be synced from debian, shall we poke it into main? | 05:49 |
| OdyX | anybody using knode succesfully on Dapper here ? | 05:49 |
| Riddell | freeflying-g4: I don't think it'll get into main unless something depends on it | 05:50 |
| freeflying-g4 | Riddell: but all kde4 stuff will need it | 05:50 |
| Riddell | there isn't going to be kde 4 stuff in main either | 05:51 |
| freeflying-g4 | okey | 05:52 |
| hunger | could somebody please fix kdelibs in edgy? | 06:10 |
| hunger | Whenever I upgrade that deb all the kde apps fail to start:-( | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: no, we plan to leave it broken till release :P | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: i believe Riddell is workign on it | 06:11 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: Fine with me... one more reason to try some other distribution:-) | 06:11 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: Great! Then it won't take too long to get fixed:-) | 06:11 |
| Riddell | hunger: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.3-1ubuntu2 "Currently building" | 06:12 |
| hunger | Riddell: PERFECT! | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: woot! nice work! | 06:13 |
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| Hobbsee | argh, how's it 2.15 already? | 06:14 |
| === Hobbsee beds. | ||
| bddebian | Night Hobbsee. I'll try to fix my pbuilder | 06:14 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: cool, thanks :) | 06:14 |
| === Hobbsee will likely install edgy tomorrow. | ||
| === Riddell is on holiday tomorrow | ||
| Riddell | so if it's still broken, bad luck! | 06:15 |
| Riddell | (where holiday means going to the Canonical office and doing a talk on kubuntu) | 06:15 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: what holiday? | 06:15 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, fun | 06:15 |
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| Riddell | UKUUG | 06:15 |
| Hobbsee | so they get to whinge at you about a broken kdelibs? | 06:16 |
| Hobbsee | in english? | 06:16 |
| Riddell | yes | 06:16 |
| === Hobbsee wonders what UKUUG stands for | ||
| Riddell | UK Unix Users Group | 06:16 |
| freeflying-g4 | Riddell: would you like upload skim for me. it's here http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/s/skim | 06:16 |
| Riddell | freeflying-g4: put it on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates and I'll get round to it in a bit | 06:16 |
| Hobbsee | shit!!!!! | 06:17 |
| Hobbsee | on that note, i'm going to bed. | 06:17 |
| Hobbsee | bloody freenode. | 06:17 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: I got something that might help you getting to sleep | 06:20 |
| === Hobbsee notes freenode being attacked again. | ||
| jpatrick | really? | 06:20 |
| Hobbsee | dunno - chanserv went down | 06:21 |
| jpatrick | it was just shut down for a sec | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm. | 06:21 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: Now the attackers even start to do announcements:-) | 06:22 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: heh | 06:22 |
| hunger | That reminds me of that usb-stick trick a security consultant company did at a customers site. | 06:23 |
| Hobbsee | okay, night all | 06:25 |
| === Hobbsee can sleep knowing that freenode is *not* being attacked now. | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:26 |
| Hobbsee | i think | 06:26 |
| nixternal | moins all around | 06:34 |
| bddebian | Hello nixternal | 06:35 |
| nixternal | well hello there this beautiful day ;) | 06:36 |
| bddebian | go Riddell go :-) | 06:39 |
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| nixternal | wow.. Riddell is comitting like a mad man ;) | 06:44 |
| Riddell | they'll all get stuck in dep-wait | 06:47 |
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| jjesse | wow what an intersting slash screen starting up my edgy virtual machine :) | 06:52 |
| Riddell | jjesse: hmm? | 06:52 |
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| imbrandon | heh ( if you notice on te ubuntu-devel list ) its a test screen | 06:53 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, the usplash image | 06:53 |
| Riddell | got a screenshot? | 06:53 |
| imbrandon | yea one sec | 06:53 |
| jjesse | sure i can get a screenshot | 06:53 |
| jjesse | do you just want me to email it to you? | 06:55 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/edgy1.png | 06:55 |
| Riddell | mm, nice | 06:56 |
| jjesse | imbrandon: is that windows you are running or just themed to look like windows? | 06:56 |
| bddebian | xpde? :-) | 06:57 |
| imbrandon | jjesse, a half royale half polyester kde theme | 06:57 |
| jjesse | it looks really nice | 06:57 |
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| imbrandon | the full royale theme ( kde ) is screen shot here http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot2.png | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | ^^ that one looks better | 06:58 |
| jjesse | i like it | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | bddebian, nope kde ;) | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | jjesse, http://www.buntudot.org/howtos/kubuntu-howtos/setting-up-the-royale-theme/ | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | cuz so many ask how i set it up lol | 06:59 |
| jjesse | can you take virtual machines you created in vm workstation in windows and use them in vmplayer thru kubuntu? | 07:00 |
| imbrandon | yea | 07:00 |
| imbrandon | just needs the files from the vm dir , no changes have to be made | 07:00 |
| imbrandon | the vmx vmdk etc | 07:00 |
| jjesse | thinking about formating my drive and installing kubuntu but don't know for sure | 07:01 |
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| imbrandon | hehe just format it use kubuntu and my royale theme to make it look like windows and then wine for what win apps you need ( or vmware ) hehe | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | ^^ its what i do ;) heh | 07:02 |
| jjesse | is there a vm workstation for linux? | 07:02 |
| kane__ | Riddell: do you remember when I had made a small change in a package and sent you the diff ? If you don't mind, could you explain the steps again ? I would like to submit more changes ... | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | actualy the ONLY windows app i must have is PS and it runs great in wine | 07:02 |
| jjesse | hmm there is so i can use my licenses for vm workstation to run it | 07:03 |
| nixternal | gimp > ps | 07:03 |
| jjesse | nice | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | kane__, i can help you do that if he is busy | 07:03 |
| kane__ | imbrandon: yes please :) | 07:03 |
| kane__ | imbrandon: basically, he had given me some steps .. | 07:03 |
| kane__ | i believe i first made the change | 07:04 |
| kane__ | then did something like 'dch -i' or something | 07:04 |
| kane__ | i dont really remember the steps | 07:04 |
| Riddell | kane__: which part do you need explained | 07:05 |
| Riddell | kane__: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc is the final step | 07:06 |
| kane__ | Riddell: i dont remember the exact steps performed | 07:06 |
| kane__ | 'dch -i' is the first right ? | 07:06 |
| kane__ | that adds a changelog entry if I am not mistaken | 07:07 |
| kane__ | after that ? | 07:07 |
| Riddell | kane__: apt-get source foo; cd foo-<tab>; make changes; dch -i (adds changelog); debuild (test build); debuild -S; cd ..; debdiff old.dsc new.dsc | 07:07 |
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| Riddell | jpatrick: see comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2399 | 07:08 |
| kane__ | Riddell: great thanks | 07:08 |
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| jpatrick | Riddell: why would it need ${shlibs:Depends} ? | 07:14 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: dunno but the debian says they were added | 07:14 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: if there's a reason we don't have them that's fine but I can't think of one | 07:14 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: because kmplayer deps on kmplayer-base which has ${shlibs:Depends} | 07:15 |
| Riddell | uniq: kio-apt at U.L.N is out of sync with dapper | 07:15 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: kmplayer-konq-plugins also needs it | 07:16 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: but there's no reason not to have it on all packages | 07:16 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: but that deps on kmplayer-base too | 07:16 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: it also has its own .so files | 07:17 |
| Riddell | which may have other dependencies | 07:17 |
| Riddell | or they may not but shlibs:Depends will be a better judge than human eye | 07:18 |
| jpatrick | ok, shlibs:Depends for all | 07:18 |
| Riddell | yay! | 07:18 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:20 |
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| jpatrick | Riddell: done and reuploaded | 07:33 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell, ping | 07:55 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: hi | 07:56 |
| imbrandon | heya wth does this mean .... never seen it before | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | configure: error: *** You need the Standard C Math Library to build Libvisual. | 07:57 |
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| imbrandon | ahh heya robotgeek | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | yea he is compiling libvis on ppc ( compile fine on x86 and x86_64 ) | 07:57 |
| robotgeek | i have build-essential installed too | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | http://rafb.net/paste/results/yiiDgg35.html | 07:58 |
| robotgeek | once again, i throw spanners in the work | 07:58 |
| imbrandon | nah robotgeek this would have to be taken care of becouse i'm trying to get it in the repo ;) | 07:59 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:59 |
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| allee | jpatrick: 0.9.2a was uploaded yesterday to debian.[Pkg-kde-extras] kmplayer_0.9.2a-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED | 08:29 |
| allee | jpatrick: changelog looks like you merged with 0.9.2 | 08:29 |
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| jpatrick | allee: ah, great | 08:42 |
| allee | jpatrick: changes are minimal. beside changelog, TODO was added to debian/docs | 08:44 |
| jpatrick | allee: ok, I'll merge later | 08:45 |
| jjesse | if i see a change hit edgy-updates does that mean it is automatically available for an update? | 09:19 |
| Lure | jjesse: it means that source was uploaded - it needs to be build and the published (every hour or so) | 09:21 |
| jjesse | Lure: thanks, didn't know :) | 09:23 |
| Lure | jjesse: you can follow build queue here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds | 09:23 |
| jjesse | thanks again Lure | 09:26 |
| jjesse | did'nt even know about it | 09:26 |
| Lure | jjesse: that is why we have irc - to learn every day ;-) | 09:27 |
| jjesse | Lure: does that page refresh? like if i'm looking at all the packages building does it autoupdate when a package is done? | 09:28 |
| Lure | jjesse: I would not know, but you probably do not need to check too often as builds of each package take at least some minutes (due to chroot environment) | 09:29 |
| Lure | I think there is also some page for build farm, but cannot recall url now... ;-) | 09:29 |
| jjesse | lure: i noticed that was just curious :0 this is the first time i've followed the development so closely so its new to me | 09:29 |
| Lure | https://launchpad.net/+builds | 09:30 |
| Lure | jjesse: yes, this LP is cool in terms of transparency of what is going on... | 09:30 |
| jjesse | i wonder how they came up with the names for the machines? | 09:31 |
| Lure | jjesse: that is always interesting, particularly if you have a huge number of machines to name ;-) | 09:32 |
| jjesse | i know, just curious though | 09:32 |
| Lure | jjesse: I was just reading your Laptop testing thread | 09:33 |
| Lure | I think the diff is not that big, but still needs special handling | 09:33 |
| jjesse | yeah? | 09:33 |
| jjesse | i think there needsto be more love for kubuntu and laptops | 09:33 |
| Lure | we probably need to start with better, KDE specific docs for testers | 09:33 |
| jjesse | want to write them? | 09:34 |
| Lure | jjesse: love, for sure; but spliting test pages is probably not optimal (even though I did it for nw8240 on request of initial author) | 09:34 |
| Lure | jjesse: I will probably start with a page for laptop buttons (as I plan to work on kmilo to address KubuntuLaptopButtons spec) | 09:35 |
| jjesse | cool | 09:36 |
| Lure | jjesse: but it looks general consensus in wiki is to have joint page with KDE/GNOME/Xfce specific noted | 09:36 |
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| Lure | problem is only that KDE way is not always documented and therefore it looks like GNOME-only page | 09:36 |
| jjesse | Lure: but not always like that in the documents see Kubuntu Desktop Guide and Gnome Desktop Guide | 09:36 |
| Lure | jjesse: true, documentation is different, as you read it as book and the focus is on desktop | 09:37 |
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| froud | hi | 09:38 |
| Lure | = almost everything is DE specific | 09:38 |
| froud | Does kubuntu install koffice and firefox by default? Or is this something that must be installed afterwards | 09:38 |
| Lure | froud: no, OOo and Konqueror | 09:39 |
| Lure | just do "sudo apt-get install koffice firefox" | 09:39 |
| Lure | both are also on CD (afair) | 09:39 |
| froud | Lure OK thanks. BTW why not KOffice | 09:39 |
| Lure | froud: I think it is due to the fact that OOo is more widely recognized and KOffice is still lacking in some areas - but Riddell is the right person to answer that | 09:41 |
| froud | OK thx | 09:41 |
| Lure | But 1.5.x is quite improved, so I also use it more and more (and less OOo) | 09:41 |
| _Sime | Riddell: ping | 09:44 |
| allee | jjesse: amu once wrote a checklist at least to verify common desktop task. Ask him if the checklist also cover laptop specifica. | 09:50 |
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| allee | Lure: ^^ didn't notice that you plan to write the list ;) | 10:00 |
| Lure | allee: more like debugging tips for testers of laptop keys ;-) | 10:01 |
| allee | Lure: fwiw: Maybe the laptop testing stuff can search column that below the distro is split into "G|K|X" | 10:02 |
| Lure | allee: or CategoryLaptopKubuntu on page? | 10:02 |
| allee | adding an extra Gnome KDE and Xfce table at the end which covers features special to a DE | 10:03 |
| jjesse | for the laptops that i tested i did a new page /Kubuntu under the main page | 10:03 |
| Lure | allee: that would make sense, as it would be very clear what was used - or at least make this part of table repeatable and cleary specified | 10:03 |
| allee | Lure: I assume it's easier to check for general, DE specific regressions if they are on one page | 10:03 |
| allee | jjesse: I know. I get an e-mail for every page with Kubuntu in the name ;) | 10:04 |
| Lure | allee: ;-) - same here | 10:04 |
| jjesse | nice | 10:05 |
| allee | argl. shit (maybe ;) | 10:05 |
| Lure | allee: I actually picked it up after you (when I noticed that every updated of *Kubuntu* page have you as subscriber ;-) | 10:05 |
| Lure | s/updated/update/ | 10:05 |
| allee | i have changed .*[Kk] ubuntu.* to Kubuntu. Either noone works in wiki for 2 days or it needs the .* :( :( | 10:06 |
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| allee | Lure: you have leading/trailing .*' | 10:06 |
| allee | in your regex? | 10:06 |
| Lure | .*KDE.* | 10:07 |
| Lure | .*Kubuntu.* | 10:07 |
| allee | argl. shit (now without a 'maybe') | 10:07 |
| allee | Lure: thx for triggering the alarm in my head | 10:08 |
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| allee | Lure: times are changing ;) Now I'm continiously learning from you | 10:12 |
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