[12:16] <DaSkreech> How goes the edgy merge?
[12:43] <allee> uniq: see /usr/share/autostart/kpowersave-autostart.desktop for an example 'not bounces' example
[01:18] <DaSkreech> Can I edit the entries for KDM?
[01:42] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:42] <DaSkreech> hi
[01:43] <bddebian> Hello DaSkreech
[02:43] <DaSkreech> Night all!
[02:43] <nixternal> nite
[02:43] <nixternal> a little early isn't it?
[02:43] <nixternal> guess not
[05:28] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee ;)
[05:28] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal 
[08:04] <nixternal_> g'nite everyone
[10:35] <insanekane> how does one add more packages to the bug report ?
[10:35] <insanekane> currently, my bug report has only "Ubuntu" ... i want to add "Openoffice"
[10:35] <insanekane> err, i'm talking about launchpad here :)
[10:36] <Hobbsee> hi insanekane 
[10:36] <Hobbsee> insanekane: bug number?
[10:36] <insanekane> Hobbsee: the clipping thingy
[10:36] <insanekane> Hobbsee: 50771
[10:37] <insanekane> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/50771
[10:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50771 in Ubuntu "Malayalam text is cut off at the top and right hand side" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[10:37] <Hobbsee> bug 50771
[10:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50771 in Ubuntu "Malayalam text is cut off at the top and right hand side" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50771
[10:37] <Hobbsee> ah yeah
[10:37] <Hobbsee> oh, right, you're kane as well
[10:37] <insanekane> yep
[10:37] <insanekane> no, i'm not kane ..
[10:37] <insanekane> kane is supposedly someone else :)
[10:38] <Hobbsee> hmmm..some _kane was talking about tha tbug before
[10:38] <insanekane> Hobbsee: yes, thats me ... "kane_"
[10:39] <insanekane> the _ because I don't have "kane"
[10:39] <Hobbsee> anyway, you can change it from ubuntu as the source package, or just add a new group
[10:39] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[10:39] <insanekane> though, i thought I always was kane
[10:39] <insanekane> Hobbsee: add a new group ?
[10:39] <Hobbsee> ie, choose the package it actually relates to
[10:39] <insanekane> Hobbsee: yes, thats what i am unable to do ..
[10:40] <Hobbsee> er, sorry, as in, ubuntu is a group.  to add another, you hit add distrobution, mark teh distro as ubuntu, and choose the source package
[10:40] <Hobbsee> but i'd just click ubuntu, choose the source package, and reassign it there
[10:40] <insanekane> eh ... stupid webapps :P
[10:40] <insanekane> Hobbsee: thanks
[10:40] <Hobbsee> seeing as ubuntu is the generic i-dont-know-where-to-assign-this-package page.
[10:40] <Hobbsee> insanekane: not a problem
[10:49] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell 
[10:54] <Riddell> hi mornfall 
[10:54] <Riddell> err, hi Hobbsee 
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe...
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: must not be terribly awake yet :P
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: fixed kde, or is it still borked?
[10:54] <Riddell> I've not touched it so I expect the problem still exists whatever it is
[10:54] <Riddell> so I need to make lots of chroots to work out what's causing the problem
[10:55] <Hobbsee> hehe right
[11:26] <mornfall> hi
[11:26] <Riddell> hi mornfall 
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, now you can say hi mornfall :P
[11:30] <mornfall> :-)
[12:51] <Riddell> hunger: you have a broken edgy?
[01:03] <Riddell> hi Mez
[01:03] <Riddell> Mez: do you know the current status of backports?
[01:04] <Mez> Riddell: I've no clue to be perfectly honest
[01:04] <Mez> why 
[01:05] <Riddell> just wondering if it was working or not
[01:05] <Riddell> do you know who's inchage of it now?
[01:05] <Mez> me still, technically
[01:05] <Riddell> I think requests get given to ubuntu-archive but soyuz isn't yet able to process them
[01:06] <Mez> last I heard - adam was working on sorting that out to make it work properly... but yeah - they were just being listed as pending by soyuz last time I saw
[01:51] <imbrandon> morning everyone 
[01:52] <Mez> mouth *
[01:52] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:52] <imbrandon> how go's it Mez
[01:52] <jpatrick> imbrandon: I think Mez went to pub last night
[01:52] <imbrandon> lol
[01:52] <Mez> jpatrick, i wish
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Mez!
[01:58] <jpatrick> Hobbsee!!!
[01:58] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hey jpatrick!  you've come out of your corner hey?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon :)
[01:59] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: i'm always in the corner
[01:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:00] <imbrandon> jpatrick, has a laptop in the corner with him
[02:01] <imbrandon> and the sock i tossed over there i got from Mez ;)
[02:01] <Mez> Hobbsee!!! *huggles*
[02:01] <Hobbsee> *huggles Mez*
[02:02] <Mez> imbrandon, but! that was a special sock!
[02:03] <imbrandon> ohhhhh , runs and grabs it back before jpatrick claims it
[02:03] <Mez> maybe I should move to the country too
[02:03] <imbrandon> lol
[02:03] <Mez> if i had my little way, I'd eat peaches every day
[02:03] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[02:04] <jpatrick> Mez: nice taste you've got in music
[02:04] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[02:04] <Mez> jpatrick, of course :D
[02:04] <Mez> Riddell: we should have a kubuntu quotes database ;)
[02:04] <Riddell> could be dangerous
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Mez: oh dear, does that mean i'd be in most of them?
[02:05] <Mez> Riddell: but fun
[02:05] <Mez> Riddell: got DNS control over kubuntu.org ?
[02:05] <jpatrick> I can see it now: Quote #1: [14:04]  <Riddell> jpatrick: you're fired!
[02:10] <imbrandon> lol @ jpatrick or " imbrandon has left #kubuntu-devel ( Requested by Riddell ) "
[02:10] <Riddell> Mez: I don't
[02:10] <apokryphos> we should get the quote feature implemented into ubotu, he used to have it
[02:11] <imbrandon> or ubugtu probbly now since seveas took all the fun stuff out of ubotu
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can we still merge kde based stuff if kde isnt built yet?  isnt that kinda crazy?
[02:12] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ubuntu-sync.html  <-- its a start atleaste
[02:13] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, me and jpatrick successfully built ( looks like the buildds did too looking at the log's ) kbfx last night
[02:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: KDE is built, although it needs rebuilt
[02:13] <imbrandon> the core kde stuff is in
[02:13] <Mez> KDE4 ?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right....when will it be rebuilt?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Mez: no
[02:13] <imbrandon> Mez, 3.5.3
[02:13] <Mez> :'(
[02:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: qt is being so now, I'll throw up kdelibs when that's done
[02:14] <Hobbsee> right
[02:14] <imbrandon> Riddell, how slow are those buildds machines heh , i looked at the kbfx log for the amd64 version and it took 13 minutes to build but takes less than 60 seconds on my box
[02:15] <imbrandon> or are they just bogged down most of the time with builds
[02:15] <jpatrick> imbrandon: i think it has multiple things building at once
[02:15] <imbrandon> ahh figured as much
[02:16] <imbrandon> anyhow jpatrick looks like it built fine on all arches ;)
[02:16] <imbrandon> ( is suprised lol )
[02:16] <jpatrick> imbrandon: and that's what counts
[02:17] <Riddell> imbrandon: setting up and taking down the chroot takes time
[02:17] <imbrandon> ahhh yea thats true it has to resetup for every build
[02:17] <Riddell> imbrandon: and it only looks for newly uploaded packages every hour then the move to archive job only runs every half hour
[02:18] <imbrandon> yea i was talking about the actual build time , but i dident think about the chroots
[02:19] <imbrandon> actualy i was look at the time LP reported " Built 2006-06-27 16:17:35 CDT by crested (amd64)  in 13 minutes " i'm assuming thats the actual build time ( but probbly setting up the chroot and all )
[02:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: but you can still merge stuff locally
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: huh?
[02:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you can build stuff find on your local machine
[02:29] <Riddell> s/find/fine/
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's true
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:51] <imbrandon> heh
[02:51] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: I'd hope so
[02:51] <ajmitch_> then you get to nag someone to upload :)
[02:51] <Mez> $DB->connect(); 
[02:51] <Mez> :wub:
[02:51] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch_
[02:51] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: want the honours?  didnt know you were watching :P
[02:51] <ajmitch_> hey imbrandon 
[02:51] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: I glance at the channels every so often
[02:52] <ajmitch_> in between coding
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: the dh_iconcache stuff in debhelper files didnt get included in debian unstable, did it?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> it was only cdbs, without a separate kde.mk?
[02:53] <ajmitch_> not that I know of
[02:54] <ajmitch_> but I haven't been following that closely
[02:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, probbly not ( dosent know for sure though )
[02:54] <Hobbsee> right
[02:55] <imbrandon> Riddell, if a package has NOCHANGE on ( https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates ) it will just get imported from dapper right ? no action required ?
[02:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: that means nothing needs to be done, the ubuntu version is newest upstream and newer than debian
[02:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: so yes it'll be imported from dapper
[02:56] <imbrandon> kk thats what i thought , thanks 
[02:59] <Hobbsee> okay, i *think* i've avoided killing it.
[03:15] <jjesse> Riddell: can the image that is in the UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue5 be made smaller?  it scrolls off my page
[03:15] <Riddell> jjesse: I'm trying to work out how to get it to just disply the URL in the wiki
[03:15] <jjesse> ah ok
[03:16] <jjesse> btw changed  KubuntuKioskProfiles to make the launchpad link work
[03:16] <Riddell> thanks
[03:17] <Hobbsee> crud, i cant spell.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> cant spell resynchronise.
[03:22] <Mez> Hobbsee, you just did
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Mez: yes, but i didnt in the changelog
[03:23] <Riddell> Mez: backports news is here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue5
[03:26] <Mez> Riddell, huhu?
[03:26] <jjesse> announcment of backports for dapper being open
[03:27] <Mez> who made that ?
[03:27] <Mez> i wasnt aware
[03:27] <Riddell> Mez: you've not been online to be told
[03:27] <Mez> yet I have email, SMS :D
[03:29] <Riddell> looks like it's jdong's doing
[03:30] <Mez> more thgan likely - I'm happy with that though
[03:30] <Mez> he is after all my second in line
[04:08] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[04:09] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:09] <Hobbsee> bddebian: how do i test if a deb is installable with pbuilder, or create a chroot?
[04:09] <bddebian> Hobbsee: You can either do a pbuilder login and install your deb in there or you can use a chroot.
[04:10] <bddebian> Getting the .deb into a pbuilder login can be fun sometimes :-)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> bddebian: how do i do the former?
[04:10] <bddebian> I was using a local apt setup
[04:10] <bddebian> There is a wiki on it somewhere
[04:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: okay, how do i create a chroot then?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> !chroot
[04:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about chroot
[04:11] <bddebian> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocalAptGetRepository
[04:13] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/kdm-edgy_concept.png
[04:13] <kwwii> my first ideas
[04:13] <Riddell> kwwii: oooh!
[04:13] <Hobbsee> kwwii: nice!
[04:14] <kwwii> it depends on the bg pic though...gotta find a nice one :-)
[04:14] <jjesse> that looks nice i like it
[04:14] <jjesse> so can i create a edgy virtual machine yet?
[04:15] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[04:15] <jsgotangco> oh my...that looks kubuntu yet gnomish?
[04:15] <jjesse> just install dapper and change the sources to edgy?
[04:15] <Riddell> although kde might be all broken
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i thought you'd fixed that?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> and is kde installable but broken, or not even installable?
[04:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: looks like qt is mostly compiled, I'll throw up kdelibs now
[04:16] <Riddell> it's installable but broken
[04:16] <Hobbsee> right
[04:20] <Hobbsee> might be worth upgrading to edgy, unless there's an easier way to do this.
[04:26] <Riddell> to do what?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: to test that the package created while merging actually works.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> or are we not bothering to do that
[04:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: create an edgy chroot
[04:29] <Riddell> well, create a dapper one and dist-upgrade it
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i cant create a chroot, it wont let me!
[04:30] <Hobbsee> E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/buildd
[04:30] <Hobbsee> i'd like to do it thru pbuilder, cos then it's clean every time, but cant seem to figure out how to, and the documentation it is either hidden, non-existant, or crap.
[04:31] <Riddell> mkdir edgy; sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd dapper edgy/
[04:31] <jjesse> what about the packaging guide does it help you?
[04:31] <Riddell> sudo sed -i s/dapper/edgy/ edgy/apt/sources.list
[04:34] <Hobbsee> jjesse: not that i saw
[04:35] <jjesse> Hobbsee: then it should be updated to help out
[04:35] <Hobbsee> jjesse: it should
[04:36] <jjesse> ping laserjock he wrote it
[04:36] <Hobbsee> jjesse: particularly a section to check if a deb is actually installable, that you've created with pbuilder.
[04:37] <jjesse> to get an edgy virtual machine running is it best to install dapper and then change the sources to edgy or is there a download for it yet?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> jjesse: dist upgrade, i believe
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for these syncs, are you preferring uploads to revu, or diffs between the latest debian, and latest ubuntu?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> s/syncs/merges
[04:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: uploads to revu
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[04:43] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Bah, just upload to edgy ;-)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i'm *so* tempted - the fact that kde is broken has stopped me so far.
[04:46] <Riddell> bddebian: Hobbsee doesn't have upload right yet unless I missed something
[04:46] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[04:46] <Hobbsee> misread that
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm thinking about going for them eventually though.
[04:46] <bddebian> Riddell: So give them to her :)
[04:47] <bddebian> Hell if they trust me to upload, they should trust anyone ;-P
[04:48] <Hobbsee> bddebian: next tech board meeting is at 6am.  and we all know how great i am at mornings.
[04:48] <jjesse> umm not great???
[04:48] <jjesse> :P
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[04:49] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:50] <Hobbsee> mind you, it's almost one am, and i'm still wide awake.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> i think i should be doing uni by night :P
[04:50] <jjesse> well go to bed
[04:50] <Hobbsee> that'll just send me insanely mad.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> okay, first merge is uploading.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> bddebian: feel like uploading for me?
[05:02] <jjesse> Riddell: the link to the photo is not correct on the Newsletter
[05:06] <Riddell> jjesse: well I don't know how to include the link and not have it displayed inline
[05:07] <jjesse> wierd
[05:07] <jjesse> the key sure is nice to put faces on people you talk to online :)
[05:08] <Riddell> sladen should do an imagemapped version at some point
[05:08] <jjesse> awesome
[05:09] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Is it Universe?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yep
[05:09] <bddebian> Sure
[05:09] <Hobbsee> yay!
[05:10] <Riddell> _Sime: have you filled in your half term mentor application?  http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_home.html
[05:10] <Hobbsee> bddebian: it's ksudoku, it's on revu
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: well, it uploaded, right now i cnat see it.
[05:14] <bddebian> Aye, I don't see it yet either
[05:14] <Hobbsee> bddebian: revu updates every 5 min, right?
[05:15] <bddebian> I thought so
[05:15] <Hobbsee> thta's what i thought too.  it's been about 15.
[05:24] <jjesse> 222 packages when i change my sources to edgy :)
[05:24] <imbrandon> heh i have a edgy chroot and a edgy pbuilder ( broke atm ) and a edgy vmware image 
[05:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> wow
[05:25] <imbrandon> not quite ready to run it full on till kde starts up clean ;)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> jjesse: does it work though?  :P
[05:26] <jjesse> Hobbsee: still updating :)
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hehe right
[05:26] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, my vmware machine "works" but kde is unable to start atm
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hmmm right
[05:26] <imbrandon> and its updated upto the minute so far, dist-upgraded a few times
[05:26] <imbrandon> but console login works ok
[05:26] <imbrandon> and gnome works ok
[05:27] <Hobbsee> bleh.  yeah
[05:27] <Hobbsee> gnome :(
[05:27] <imbrandon> just no kdm / kde atm
[05:27] <imbrandon> heheh yea thats what i said, i oped to use consoel on edgy till kde works lol
[05:28] <jjesse> hmmm lots of errors on perl
[05:28] <imbrandon> but i have a feeling Riddell is feverishly getting ti done ( seen lots of changes on the list lately )
[05:28] <Hobbsee> true
[05:28] <jjesse> is there a log of an update?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> he probably knows he'll get shot if he doesnt fix it soonish :P
[05:28] <Hobbsee> jjesse: edgychanges list?
[05:28] <jjesse> on my local box
[05:28] <imbrandon> jjesse, not sure you can make one >> log.txt etc
[05:29] <jjesse> cause everything that has perl in it is giving errors about the local language
[05:29] <imbrandon> jjesse, honestly its very broken atm though not much good except to fix things
[05:29] <imbrandon> jjesse, chroot ?
[05:29] <Riddell> imbrandon: you'll need to wait for the new kdelibs and kdebase before it'll work
[05:29] <jjesse> virtual machine
[05:30] <jjesse> dist-upgraded from dapper
[05:30] <imbrandon> jjesse, export LANG=C
[05:30] <imbrandon> hrm
[05:30] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea
[05:30] <imbrandon> i figured as much was just givin ya some room
[05:30] <imbrandon> workin with the chroot atm to do things, and testing in vm once in a while
[05:31] <imbrandon> chroots are a beuitifull thing ;)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> when they work, and are documented.
[05:32] <imbrandon> chroots are documented well, not pbuilders ummm lol
[05:33] <imbrandon> other than it rebuilds the chroot every time its used
[05:34] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: pbuilder docs arent bad for most things...
[05:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's pretty much that.  run pdebuild with a few switches in the source dir, it grabs the deps it needs, it builds, it signs at the end
[05:35] <imbrandon> chroots are too as long as you rember that its not ubuntu specific, look at the debian / gentoo doc's and mesh them all ;)
[05:35] <Hobbsee> just update it every once in a while
[05:35] <Hobbsee> ditto pbuilder
[05:35] <Hobbsee> debian doc for pbuilder is pretty good
[05:35] <imbrandon> yea 
[05:36] <imbrandon> i'll get my edgy pbuilder to work later , actualy i got a good start on it ( built a dapper one, just need to figure out how to update the base.tgz to edgy heh )
[05:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: separate config files
[05:37] <imbrandon> yea  have a sep edgy one 
[05:37] <imbrandon> but afaik ytou have ato start with dapper and upgrade it as there isnt a debootstrap for edgy yet
[05:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's not hard
[05:38] <Hobbsee> copy dapper info over, except the config file, then change the sources list, then dist-upgrade
[05:38] <Hobbsee> that's the thing i've had *least* troubles with
[05:38] <imbrandon> thats where i'm at atm , but i'll fix it later, might prod ya when you wake up tomarrow ( after some wakin up ofcourse hehe )
[05:39] <imbrandon> yea thats how i build me edgy chroots ( just dist upgrade dapper ones )
[05:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sure
[05:40] <imbrandon> so you going for TB heheh /me runs
[05:40] <imbrandon> err s/TB/MOTU
[05:41] <imbrandon> worst can happen is they say go forth and practice some more
[05:41] <imbrandon> really
[05:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, but...i dont like hearing that
[05:41] <imbrandon> true
[05:42] <Hobbsee> i dont really have trouble with getting uploaders, except when it's late at night.
[05:43] <imbrandon> prod ajmitch_ and Riddell and bddebian and a few other MOTU's that do uploads for you konw and ask them honest opinions if you should
[05:43] <imbrandon> s/konw/now
[05:44] <imbrandon> i think you should too, and honestly the opinion of your MOTU sponsors will carry good weight i think
[05:44] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[05:44] <imbrandon> like bddebian ;)
[05:44] <jpatrick> that rules me out
[05:45] <bddebian> imbrandon: My opinion is worthless
[05:45] <Hobbsee> bddebian: rubbish.
[05:49] <freeflying-g4> Riddell: cmake can be synced from debian, shall we poke it into main?
[05:49] <OdyX> anybody using knode succesfully on Dapper here ?
[05:50] <Riddell> freeflying-g4: I don't think it'll get into main unless something depends on it
[05:50] <freeflying-g4> Riddell: but all kde4 stuff will need it
[05:51] <Riddell> there isn't going to be kde 4 stuff in main either
[05:52] <freeflying-g4> okey
[06:10] <hunger> could somebody please fix kdelibs in edgy?
[06:10] <hunger> Whenever I upgrade that deb all the kde apps fail to start:-(
[06:10] <Hobbsee> hunger: no, we plan to leave it broken till release :P
[06:11] <Hobbsee> hunger: i believe Riddell is workign on it
[06:11] <hunger> Hobbsee: Fine with me... one more reason to try some other distribution:-)
[06:11] <hunger> Hobbsee: Great! Then it won't take too long to get fixed:-)
[06:12] <Riddell> hunger: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.3-1ubuntu2 "Currently building"
[06:12] <hunger> Riddell: PERFECT!
[06:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: woot!  nice work!
[06:14] <Hobbsee> argh, how's it 2.15 already?
[06:14] <bddebian> Night Hobbsee.  I'll try to fix my pbuilder
[06:14] <Hobbsee> bddebian: cool, thanks :)
[06:15] <Riddell> so if it's still broken, bad luck!
[06:15] <Riddell> (where holiday means going to the Canonical office and doing a talk on kubuntu)
[06:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what holiday?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> ooh, fun
[06:15] <Riddell> UKUUG
[06:16] <Hobbsee> so they get to whinge at you about a broken kdelibs?
[06:16] <Hobbsee> in english?
[06:16] <Riddell> yes
[06:16] <Riddell> UK Unix Users Group
[06:16] <freeflying-g4> Riddell: would you like upload skim for me. it's here http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/s/skim
[06:16] <Riddell> freeflying-g4: put it on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates and I'll get round to it in a bit
[06:17] <Hobbsee> shit!!!!!
[06:17] <Hobbsee> on that note, i'm going to bed.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> bloody freenode.
[06:20] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I got something that might help you getting to sleep
[06:20] <jpatrick> really?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> dunno - chanserv went down
[06:21] <jpatrick> it was just shut down for a sec
[06:21] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[06:22] <hunger> Hobbsee: Now the attackers even start to do announcements:-)
[06:22] <Hobbsee> hunger: heh
[06:23] <hunger> That reminds me of that usb-stick trick a security consultant company did at a customers site.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> okay, night all
[06:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:26] <Hobbsee> i think
[06:34] <nixternal> moins all around
[06:35] <bddebian> Hello nixternal
[06:36] <nixternal> well hello there this beautiful day ;)
[06:39] <bddebian> go Riddell go :-)
[06:44] <nixternal> wow.. Riddell is comitting like a mad man ;)
[06:47] <Riddell> they'll all get stuck in dep-wait
[06:52] <jjesse> wow what an intersting slash screen starting up my edgy virtual machine :)
[06:52] <Riddell> jjesse: hmm?
[06:53] <imbrandon> heh ( if you notice on te ubuntu-devel list ) its a test screen
[06:53] <imbrandon> Riddell, the usplash image
[06:53] <Riddell> got a screenshot?
[06:53] <imbrandon> yea one sec
[06:53] <jjesse> sure i can get a screenshot
[06:55] <jjesse> do you just want me to email it to you?
[06:55] <imbrandon> Riddell, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/edgy1.png
[06:56] <Riddell> mm, nice
[06:56] <jjesse> imbrandon: is that windows you are running or just themed to look like windows?
[06:57] <bddebian> xpde? :-)
[06:57] <imbrandon> jjesse, a half royale half polyester kde theme
[06:57] <jjesse> it looks really nice
[06:58] <imbrandon> the full royale theme ( kde ) is screen shot here http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot2.png
[06:58] <imbrandon> ^^ that one looks better
[06:58] <jjesse> i like it
[06:58] <imbrandon> bddebian, nope kde ;)
[06:59] <imbrandon> jjesse, http://www.buntudot.org/howtos/kubuntu-howtos/setting-up-the-royale-theme/
[06:59] <imbrandon> cuz so many ask how i set it up lol
[07:00] <jjesse> can you take virtual machines you created in vm workstation in windows and use them in vmplayer thru kubuntu?
[07:00] <imbrandon> yea
[07:00] <imbrandon> just needs the files from the vm dir , no changes have to be made
[07:00] <imbrandon> the vmx vmdk etc
[07:01] <jjesse> thinking about formating my drive and installing kubuntu but don't know for sure
[07:01] <imbrandon> hehe just format it use kubuntu and my royale theme to make it look like windows and then wine for what win apps you need ( or vmware ) hehe
[07:02] <imbrandon> ^^ its what i do ;) heh
[07:02] <jjesse> is there a vm workstation for linux?
[07:02] <kane__> Riddell: do you remember when I had made a small change in a package and sent you the diff ? If you don't mind, could you explain the steps again ? I would like to submit more changes ...
[07:02] <imbrandon> actualy the ONLY windows app i must have is PS and it runs great in wine
[07:03] <jjesse> hmm there is so i can use my licenses for vm workstation to run it
[07:03] <nixternal> gimp > ps
[07:03] <jjesse> nice
[07:03] <imbrandon> kane__, i can help you do that if he is busy
[07:03] <kane__> imbrandon: yes please :)
[07:03] <kane__> imbrandon: basically, he had given me some steps ..
[07:04] <kane__> i believe i first made the change
[07:04] <kane__> then did something like 'dch -i' or something
[07:04] <kane__> i dont really remember the steps
[07:05] <Riddell> kane__: which part do you need explained
[07:06] <Riddell> kane__: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc is the final step
[07:06] <kane__> Riddell: i dont remember the exact steps performed
[07:06] <kane__> 'dch -i' is the first right ?
[07:07] <kane__> that adds a changelog entry if I am not mistaken
[07:07] <kane__> after that ?
[07:07] <Riddell> kane__: apt-get source foo; cd foo-<tab>; make changes; dch -i  (adds changelog); debuild (test build); debuild -S; cd ..; debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[07:08] <Riddell> jpatrick: see comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2399
[07:08] <kane__> Riddell: great thanks
[07:14] <jpatrick> Riddell: why would it need ${shlibs:Depends} ?
[07:14] <Riddell> jpatrick: dunno but the debian says they were added
[07:14] <Riddell> jpatrick: if there's a reason we don't have them that's fine but I can't think of one
[07:15] <jpatrick> Riddell: because kmplayer deps on kmplayer-base which has ${shlibs:Depends}
[07:15] <Riddell> uniq: kio-apt at U.L.N is out of sync with dapper
[07:16] <Riddell> jpatrick: kmplayer-konq-plugins also needs it 
[07:16] <Riddell> jpatrick: but there's no reason not to have it on all packages
[07:16] <jpatrick> Riddell: but that deps on kmplayer-base too
[07:17] <Riddell> jpatrick: it also has its own .so files
[07:17] <Riddell> which may have other dependencies
[07:18] <Riddell> or they may not but shlibs:Depends will be a better judge than human eye
[07:18] <jpatrick> ok, shlibs:Depends for all
[07:18] <Riddell> yay!
[07:20] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:33] <jpatrick> Riddell: done and reuploaded
[07:55] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping 
[07:56] <Riddell> imbrandon: hi
[07:57] <imbrandon> heya wth does this mean .... never seen it before 
[07:57] <imbrandon> configure: error: *** You need the Standard C Math Library to build Libvisual.
[07:57] <imbrandon> ahh heya robotgeek
[07:57] <imbrandon> yea he is compiling libvis on ppc ( compile fine on x86 and x86_64 )
[07:57] <robotgeek> i have build-essential installed too
[07:58] <imbrandon> http://rafb.net/paste/results/yiiDgg35.html
[07:58] <robotgeek> once again, i throw spanners in the work
[07:59] <imbrandon> nah robotgeek this would have to be taken care of becouse i'm trying to get it in the repo ;)
[07:59] <imbrandon> heh
[08:29] <allee> jpatrick: 0.9.2a was uploaded yesterday to debian.[Pkg-kde-extras]  kmplayer_0.9.2a-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED
[08:29] <allee> jpatrick: changelog looks like you merged with 0.9.2
[08:42] <jpatrick> allee: ah, great
[08:44] <allee> jpatrick: changes are minimal. beside changelog, TODO was added to debian/docs
[08:45] <jpatrick> allee: ok, I'll merge later
[09:19] <jjesse> if i see a change hit edgy-updates does that mean it is automatically available for an update?
[09:21] <Lure> jjesse: it means that source was uploaded - it needs to be build and the published (every hour or so)
[09:23] <jjesse> Lure: thanks, didn't know :)
[09:23] <Lure> jjesse: you can follow build queue here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds
[09:26] <jjesse> thanks again Lure
[09:26] <jjesse> did'nt even know about it
[09:27] <Lure> jjesse: that is why we have irc - to learn every day ;-)
[09:28] <jjesse> Lure: does that page refresh? like if i'm looking at all the packages building does it autoupdate when a package is done?
[09:29] <Lure> jjesse: I would not know, but you probably do not need to check too often as builds of each package take at least some minutes (due to chroot environment)
[09:29] <Lure> I think there is also some page for build farm, but cannot recall url now... ;-)
[09:29] <jjesse> lure: i noticed that was just curious :0  this is the first time i've followed the development so closely so its new to me
[09:30] <Lure> https://launchpad.net/+builds
[09:30] <Lure> jjesse: yes, this LP is cool in terms of transparency of what is going on...
[09:31] <jjesse> i wonder how they came up with the names for the machines?
[09:32] <Lure> jjesse: that is always interesting, particularly if you have a huge number of machines to name ;-)
[09:32] <jjesse> i know, just curious though
[09:33] <Lure> jjesse: I was just reading your Laptop testing thread
[09:33] <Lure> I think the diff is not that big, but still needs special handling
[09:33] <jjesse> yeah? 
[09:33] <jjesse> i think there needsto be more love for kubuntu and laptops
[09:33] <Lure> we probably need to start with better, KDE specific docs for testers
[09:34] <jjesse> want to write them?
[09:34] <Lure> jjesse: love, for sure; but spliting test pages is probably not optimal (even though I did it for nw8240 on request of initial author)
[09:35] <Lure> jjesse: I will probably start with a page for laptop buttons (as I plan to work on kmilo to address KubuntuLaptopButtons spec)
[09:36] <jjesse> cool
[09:36] <Lure> jjesse: but it looks general consensus in wiki is to have joint page with KDE/GNOME/Xfce specific noted
[09:36] <Lure> problem is only that KDE way is not always documented and therefore it looks like GNOME-only page
[09:36] <jjesse> Lure: but not always like that in the documents see Kubuntu Desktop Guide and Gnome Desktop Guide
[09:37] <Lure> jjesse: true, documentation is different, as you read it as book and the focus is on desktop
[09:38] <froud> hi
[09:38] <Lure> = almost everything is DE specific
[09:38] <froud> Does kubuntu install koffice and firefox by default? Or is this something that must be installed afterwards
[09:39] <Lure> froud: no, OOo and Konqueror
[09:39] <Lure> just do "sudo apt-get install koffice firefox"
[09:39] <Lure> both are also on CD (afair)
[09:39] <froud> Lure OK thanks. BTW why not KOffice
[09:41] <Lure> froud: I think it is due to the fact that OOo is more widely recognized and KOffice is still lacking in some areas - but Riddell is the right person to answer that
[09:41] <froud> OK thx
[09:41] <Lure> But 1.5.x is quite improved, so I also use it more and more (and less OOo)
[09:44] <_Sime> Riddell: ping
[09:50] <allee> jjesse: amu once wrote a checklist at least to verify common desktop task.  Ask him if the checklist also cover laptop specifica.
[10:00] <allee> Lure: ^^ didn't notice that you plan to write the list ;)
[10:01] <Lure> allee: more like debugging tips for testers of laptop keys ;-)
[10:02] <allee> Lure: fwiw: Maybe the laptop testing stuff can search column  that below the distro is split into "G|K|X"  
[10:02] <Lure> allee: or CategoryLaptopKubuntu on page?
[10:03] <allee> adding an extra Gnome KDE and Xfce table at the end which covers features special to a DE
[10:03] <jjesse> for the laptops that i tested i did a new page /Kubuntu under the main page
[10:03] <Lure> allee: that would make sense, as it would be very clear what was used - or at least make this part of table repeatable and cleary specified
[10:03] <allee> Lure: I assume it's easier to check for general, DE specific regressions if they are on one page
[10:04] <allee> jjesse: I know.  I get an e-mail for every page with Kubuntu in the name ;)
[10:04] <Lure> allee: ;-) - same here
[10:05] <jjesse> nice
[10:05] <allee> argl. shit (maybe ;)
[10:05] <Lure> allee: I actually picked it up after you (when I noticed that every updated of *Kubuntu* page have you as subscriber ;-)
[10:05] <Lure> s/updated/update/
[10:06] <allee> i have changed .*[Kk] ubuntu.* to Kubuntu.  Either noone works in wiki for 2 days or it needs the .* :( :(
[10:06] <allee> Lure: you have leading/trailing .*'
[10:06] <allee> in your regex?
[10:07] <Lure> .*KDE.*
[10:07] <Lure> .*Kubuntu.*
[10:07] <allee> argl. shit (now without a 'maybe')
[10:08] <allee> Lure: thx for triggering the alarm in my head
[10:12] <allee> Lure: times are changing ;)  Now I'm continiously learning from you