=== pascalFR_ [n=Pascal@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:16] How goes the edgy merge? === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:43] uniq: see /usr/share/autostart/kpowersave-autostart.desktop for an example 'not bounces' example === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:18] Can I edit the entries for KDM? === linuxmonkey_ [n=linuxmon@CPE0013102d9479-CM00080dae3a80.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:42] Howdy [01:42] hi [01:43] Hello DaSkreech === DaSkreech waves === linuxmonkey_ [n=linuxmon@CPE0013102d9479-CM00080dae3a80.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:43] Night all! [02:43] nite [02:43] a little early isn't it? [02:43] guess not === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === profoX` is now known as profoX|zZz === profoX|zZz is now known as profoX` === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-48-98.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:28] hiya Hobbsee ;) [05:28] hey nixternal === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.33.85] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:04] g'nite everyone === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === je4d [n=jeff@kde/developer/je4d] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A60F79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fabo_ [i=Arme-X@dra38-2-82-233-106-22.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@221.221.162.61] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:35] how does one add more packages to the bug report ? [10:35] currently, my bug report has only "Ubuntu" ... i want to add "Openoffice" [10:35] err, i'm talking about launchpad here :) [10:36] hi insanekane [10:36] insanekane: bug number? [10:36] Hobbsee: the clipping thingy [10:36] Hobbsee: 50771 [10:37] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/50771 [10:37] Malone bug 50771 in Ubuntu "Malayalam text is cut off at the top and right hand side" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [10:37] bug 50771 [10:37] Malone bug 50771 in Ubuntu "Malayalam text is cut off at the top and right hand side" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50771 [10:37] ah yeah [10:37] oh, right, you're kane as well [10:37] yep [10:37] no, i'm not kane .. [10:37] kane is supposedly someone else :) === insanekane thought he was the only kane [10:38] hmmm..some _kane was talking about tha tbug before [10:38] Hobbsee: yes, thats me ... "kane_" [10:39] the _ because I don't have "kane" [10:39] anyway, you can change it from ubuntu as the source package, or just add a new group [10:39] ah ok [10:39] though, i thought I always was kane [10:39] Hobbsee: add a new group ? [10:39] ie, choose the package it actually relates to [10:39] Hobbsee: yes, thats what i am unable to do .. [10:40] er, sorry, as in, ubuntu is a group. to add another, you hit add distrobution, mark teh distro as ubuntu, and choose the source package [10:40] but i'd just click ubuntu, choose the source package, and reassign it there [10:40] eh ... stupid webapps :P [10:40] Hobbsee: thanks [10:40] seeing as ubuntu is the generic i-dont-know-where-to-assign-this-package page. [10:40] insanekane: not a problem [10:49] morning Riddell [10:54] hi mornfall [10:54] err, hi Hobbsee [10:54] Riddell: hehe... [10:54] Riddell: must not be terribly awake yet :P [10:54] Riddell: fixed kde, or is it still borked? [10:54] I've not touched it so I expect the problem still exists whatever it is [10:54] so I need to make lots of chroots to work out what's causing the problem [10:55] hehe right === Hobbsee hasnt looked at it. === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-105-165-49.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away_away is now known as \sh_away [11:26] hi [11:26] hi mornfall [11:29] Riddell: yeah, now you can say hi mornfall :P [11:30] :-) === \sh_away is now known as \sh_away_away === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.33.85] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === My8os [n=My8os@ppp142-169.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:51] hunger: you have a broken edgy? === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:03] hi Mez [01:03] Mez: do you know the current status of backports? [01:04] Riddell: I've no clue to be perfectly honest [01:04] why [01:05] just wondering if it was working or not [01:05] do you know who's inchage of it now? [01:05] me still, technically [01:05] I think requests get given to ubuntu-archive but soyuz isn't yet able to process them [01:06] last I heard - adam was working on sorting that out to make it work properly... but yeah - they were just being listed as pending by soyuz last time I saw === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.41.132] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:51] morning everyone === imbrandon yawns * === Mez shoves a sock in imbrandon's motuh [01:52] mouth * [01:52] hehe [01:52] how go's it Mez [01:52] imbrandon: I think Mez went to pub last night [01:52] lol [01:52] jpatrick, i wish === \sh_away_away is now known as \sh_away [01:58] Mez! [01:58] Hobbsee!!! [01:58] heya Hobbsee [01:58] hey jpatrick! you've come out of your corner hey? [01:58] hi imbrandon :) [01:59] Hobbsee: i'm always in the corner [01:59] hehe [02:00] jpatrick, has a laptop in the corner with him [02:01] and the sock i tossed over there i got from Mez ;) [02:01] Hobbsee!!! *huggles* [02:01] *huggles Mez* [02:02] imbrandon, but! that was a special sock! [02:03] ohhhhh , runs and grabs it back before jpatrick claims it === Mez eats a lot of peaches [02:03] maybe I should move to the country too [02:03] lol [02:03] if i had my little way, I'd eat peaches every day [02:03] Riddell: ping [02:04] Mez: nice taste you've got in music [02:04] Mez: hi [02:04] jpatrick, of course :D [02:04] Riddell: we should have a kubuntu quotes database ;) [02:04] could be dangerous [02:04] Mez: oh dear, does that mean i'd be in most of them? [02:05] Riddell: but fun [02:05] Riddell: got DNS control over kubuntu.org ? [02:05] I can see it now: Quote #1: [14:04] jpatrick: you're fired! === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.41.132] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:10] lol @ jpatrick or " imbrandon has left #kubuntu-devel ( Requested by Riddell ) " [02:10] Mez: I don't [02:10] we should get the quote feature implemented into ubotu, he used to have it [02:11] or ubugtu probbly now since seveas took all the fun stuff out of ubotu === Hobbsee looks for the merging docs. [02:11] Riddell: can we still merge kde based stuff if kde isnt built yet? isnt that kinda crazy? [02:12] Hobbsee, https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ubuntu-sync.html <-- its a start atleaste [02:13] Hobbsee, me and jpatrick successfully built ( looks like the buildds did too looking at the log's ) kbfx last night [02:13] Hobbsee: KDE is built, although it needs rebuilt [02:13] the core kde stuff is in [02:13] KDE4 ? [02:13] Riddell: right....when will it be rebuilt? [02:13] Mez: no [02:13] Mez, 3.5.3 [02:13] :'( [02:13] Hobbsee: qt is being so now, I'll throw up kdelibs when that's done [02:14] right [02:14] Riddell, how slow are those buildds machines heh , i looked at the kbfx log for the amd64 version and it took 13 minutes to build but takes less than 60 seconds on my box [02:15] or are they just bogged down most of the time with builds [02:15] imbrandon: i think it has multiple things building at once [02:15] ahh figured as much [02:16] anyhow jpatrick looks like it built fine on all arches ;) [02:16] ( is suprised lol ) [02:16] imbrandon: and that's what counts === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.92.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:17] imbrandon: setting up and taking down the chroot takes time [02:17] ahhh yea thats true it has to resetup for every build [02:17] imbrandon: and it only looks for newly uploaded packages every hour then the move to archive job only runs every half hour [02:18] yea i was talking about the actual build time , but i dident think about the chroots [02:19] actualy i was look at the time LP reported " Built 2006-06-27 16:17:35 CDT by crested (amd64) in 13 minutes " i'm assuming thats the actual build time ( but probbly setting up the chroot and all ) === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-71-94.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:28] Hobbsee: but you can still merge stuff locally [02:29] Riddell: huh? [02:29] Hobbsee: you can build stuff find on your local machine [02:29] s/find/fine/ [02:30] Riddell: that's true === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee attempts merging. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez wubbles pre-made code that he knows WAAAAAYYYY too well [02:50] hehe [02:51] heh === Hobbsee shoudl be able to do this - she made all the changes from the debian [02:51] Hobbsee: I'd hope so [02:51] then you get to nag someone to upload :) [02:51] $DB->connect(); [02:51] :wub: [02:51] heya ajmitch_ [02:51] ajmitch_: want the honours? didnt know you were watching :P [02:51] hey imbrandon [02:51] Hobbsee: I glance at the channels every so often [02:52] in between coding [02:52] hmmm. [02:53] ajmitch_: the dh_iconcache stuff in debhelper files didnt get included in debian unstable, did it? [02:53] it was only cdbs, without a separate kde.mk? [02:53] not that I know of [02:54] but I haven't been following that closely [02:54] Hobbsee, probbly not ( dosent know for sure though ) [02:54] right [02:55] Riddell, if a package has NOCHANGE on ( https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates ) it will just get imported from dapper right ? no action required ? [02:55] imbrandon: that means nothing needs to be done, the ubuntu version is newest upstream and newer than debian [02:55] imbrandon: so yes it'll be imported from dapper [02:56] kk thats what i thought , thanks [02:59] okay, i *think* i've avoided killing it. [03:15] Riddell: can the image that is in the UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue5 be made smaller? it scrolls off my page [03:15] jjesse: I'm trying to work out how to get it to just disply the URL in the wiki [03:15] ah ok [03:16] btw changed KubuntuKioskProfiles to make the launchpad link work [03:16] thanks [03:17] crud, i cant spell. === Mez plays a lil [03:19] cant spell resynchronise. [03:22] Hobbsee, you just did [03:23] Mez: yes, but i didnt in the changelog [03:23] Mez: backports news is here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue5 === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:26] Riddell, huhu? [03:26] announcment of backports for dapper being open [03:27] who made that ? [03:27] i wasnt aware [03:27] Mez: you've not been online to be told [03:27] yet I have email, SMS :D [03:29] looks like it's jdong's doing [03:30] more thgan likely - I'm happy with that though [03:30] he is after all my second in line === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.51.47] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:08] Howdy [04:08] hi bddebian [04:09] Hi Hobbsee [04:09] bddebian: how do i test if a deb is installable with pbuilder, or create a chroot? === Hobbsee seems to be havign extreme trouble with this. [04:09] Hobbsee: You can either do a pbuilder login and install your deb in there or you can use a chroot. [04:10] Getting the .deb into a pbuilder login can be fun sometimes :-) [04:10] bddebian: how do i do the former? [04:10] I was using a local apt setup [04:10] There is a wiki on it somewhere === Hobbsee might just upgrade to edgy and be done with it :P [04:11] bddebian: okay, how do i create a chroot then? [04:11] !chroot [04:11] I know nothing about chroot [04:11] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocalAptGetRepository [04:13] http://bootsplash.org/kdm-edgy_concept.png [04:13] my first ideas [04:13] kwwii: oooh! [04:13] kwwii: nice! [04:14] it depends on the bg pic though...gotta find a nice one :-) [04:14] that looks nice i like it === abattoir__ [n=abattoir@59.92.86.139] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:14] so can i create a edgy virtual machine yet? [04:15] jjesse: yes [04:15] oh my...that looks kubuntu yet gnomish? [04:15] just install dapper and change the sources to edgy? [04:15] although kde might be all broken [04:16] Riddell: i thought you'd fixed that? [04:16] and is kde installable but broken, or not even installable? [04:16] Hobbsee: looks like qt is mostly compiled, I'll throw up kdelibs now [04:16] it's installable but broken [04:16] right === abattoir___ [n=abattoir@59.92.82.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:20] might be worth upgrading to edgy, unless there's an easier way to do this. [04:26] to do what? [04:28] Riddell: to test that the package created while merging actually works. [04:28] or are we not bothering to do that [04:29] Hobbsee: create an edgy chroot [04:29] well, create a dapper one and dist-upgrade it [04:30] Riddell: i cant create a chroot, it wont let me! [04:30] E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/buildd [04:30] i'd like to do it thru pbuilder, cos then it's clean every time, but cant seem to figure out how to, and the documentation it is either hidden, non-existant, or crap. [04:31] mkdir edgy; sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd dapper edgy/ [04:31] what about the packaging guide does it help you? [04:31] sudo sed -i s/dapper/edgy/ edgy/apt/sources.list [04:34] jjesse: not that i saw [04:35] Hobbsee: then it should be updated to help out === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:35] jjesse: it should [04:36] ping laserjock he wrote it [04:36] jjesse: particularly a section to check if a deb is actually installable, that you've created with pbuilder. [04:37] to get an edgy virtual machine running is it best to install dapper and then change the sources to edgy or is there a download for it yet? [04:37] jjesse: dist upgrade, i believe [04:41] Riddell: for these syncs, are you preferring uploads to revu, or diffs between the latest debian, and latest ubuntu? [04:41] s/syncs/merges [04:42] Hobbsee: uploads to revu [04:42] Riddell: right [04:43] Hobbsee: Bah, just upload to edgy ;-) [04:43] bddebian: i'm *so* tempted - the fact that kde is broken has stopped me so far. [04:46] bddebian: Hobbsee doesn't have upload right yet unless I missed something [04:46] oh yeah [04:46] misread that [04:46] Riddell: i'm thinking about going for them eventually though. [04:46] Riddell: So give them to her :) [04:47] Hell if they trust me to upload, they should trust anyone ;-P [04:48] bddebian: next tech board meeting is at 6am. and we all know how great i am at mornings. === \sh_away is now known as \sh_away_away [04:48] umm not great??? [04:48] :P === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:49] hehehe [04:49] yes [04:50] mind you, it's almost one am, and i'm still wide awake. [04:50] i think i should be doing uni by night :P [04:50] well go to bed [04:50] that'll just send me insanely mad. [05:01] okay, first merge is uploading. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:01] bddebian: feel like uploading for me? [05:02] Riddell: the link to the photo is not correct on the Newsletter [05:06] jjesse: well I don't know how to include the link and not have it displayed inline [05:07] wierd [05:07] the key sure is nice to put faces on people you talk to online :) [05:08] sladen should do an imagemapped version at some point [05:08] awesome [05:09] Hobbsee: Is it Universe? [05:09] bddebian: yep [05:09] Sure [05:09] yay! [05:10] _Sime: have you filled in your half term mentor application? http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_home.html [05:10] bddebian: it's ksudoku, it's on revu [05:11] bddebian: well, it uploaded, right now i cnat see it. [05:14] Aye, I don't see it yet either [05:14] bddebian: revu updates every 5 min, right? [05:15] I thought so [05:15] thta's what i thought too. it's been about 15. === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@pD95085A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:24] 222 packages when i change my sources to edgy :) [05:24] heh i have a edgy chroot and a edgy pbuilder ( broke atm ) and a edgy vmware image [05:24] ;) [05:25] wow [05:25] not quite ready to run it full on till kde starts up clean ;) [05:25] jjesse: does it work though? :P [05:26] Hobbsee: still updating :) [05:26] hehe right [05:26] Hobbsee, my vmware machine "works" but kde is unable to start atm [05:26] hmmm right [05:26] and its updated upto the minute so far, dist-upgraded a few times [05:26] but console login works ok [05:26] and gnome works ok [05:27] bleh. yeah [05:27] gnome :( [05:27] just no kdm / kde atm [05:27] heheh yea thats what i said, i oped to use consoel on edgy till kde works lol [05:28] hmmm lots of errors on perl [05:28] but i have a feeling Riddell is feverishly getting ti done ( seen lots of changes on the list lately ) [05:28] true [05:28] is there a log of an update? [05:28] he probably knows he'll get shot if he doesnt fix it soonish :P [05:28] jjesse: edgychanges list? [05:28] on my local box [05:28] jjesse, not sure you can make one >> log.txt etc === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.33.85] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:29] cause everything that has perl in it is giving errors about the local language [05:29] jjesse, honestly its very broken atm though not much good except to fix things [05:29] jjesse, chroot ? [05:29] imbrandon: you'll need to wait for the new kdelibs and kdebase before it'll work [05:29] virtual machine [05:30] dist-upgraded from dapper [05:30] jjesse, export LANG=C [05:30] hrm [05:30] Riddell, yea [05:30] i figured as much was just givin ya some room [05:30] workin with the chroot atm to do things, and testing in vm once in a while [05:31] chroots are a beuitifull thing ;) [05:32] when they work, and are documented. [05:32] chroots are documented well, not pbuilders ummm lol === imbrandon dosent quite understand pbuilders totaly yet [05:33] other than it rebuilds the chroot every time its used [05:34] yes [05:34] imbrandon: pbuilder docs arent bad for most things... [05:35] imbrandon: it's pretty much that. run pdebuild with a few switches in the source dir, it grabs the deps it needs, it builds, it signs at the end [05:35] chroots are too as long as you rember that its not ubuntu specific, look at the debian / gentoo doc's and mesh them all ;) [05:35] just update it every once in a while [05:35] ditto pbuilder [05:35] debian doc for pbuilder is pretty good [05:35] yea [05:36] i'll get my edgy pbuilder to work later , actualy i got a good start on it ( built a dapper one, just need to figure out how to update the base.tgz to edgy heh ) [05:37] imbrandon: separate config files [05:37] yea have a sep edgy one [05:37] but afaik ytou have ato start with dapper and upgrade it as there isnt a debootstrap for edgy yet [05:38] yeah, that's not hard [05:38] copy dapper info over, except the config file, then change the sources list, then dist-upgrade [05:38] that's the thing i've had *least* troubles with === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.100] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:38] thats where i'm at atm , but i'll fix it later, might prod ya when you wake up tomarrow ( after some wakin up ofcourse hehe ) [05:39] yea thats how i build me edgy chroots ( just dist upgrade dapper ones ) [05:39] imbrandon: sure [05:40] so you going for TB heheh /me runs === Hobbsee is thinking about it. [05:40] err s/TB/MOTU [05:41] worst can happen is they say go forth and practice some more [05:41] really [05:41] yeah, but...i dont like hearing that [05:41] true === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-27-15.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:42] i dont really have trouble with getting uploaders, except when it's late at night. [05:43] prod ajmitch_ and Riddell and bddebian and a few other MOTU's that do uploads for you konw and ask them honest opinions if you should [05:43] s/konw/now === bddebian thinks she should :-) === Hobbsee knows more or less what ajmitch_ will say. [05:44] i think you should too, and honestly the opinion of your MOTU sponsors will carry good weight i think [05:44] hmmm. [05:44] like bddebian ;) === Hobbsee would be likely to just fall asleep in the meeting. [05:44] that rules me out [05:45] imbrandon: My opinion is worthless [05:45] bddebian: rubbish. [05:49] Riddell: cmake can be synced from debian, shall we poke it into main? [05:49] anybody using knode succesfully on Dapper here ? [05:50] freeflying-g4: I don't think it'll get into main unless something depends on it [05:50] Riddell: but all kde4 stuff will need it [05:51] there isn't going to be kde 4 stuff in main either [05:52] okey [06:10] could somebody please fix kdelibs in edgy? [06:10] Whenever I upgrade that deb all the kde apps fail to start:-( [06:10] hunger: no, we plan to leave it broken till release :P [06:11] hunger: i believe Riddell is workign on it [06:11] Hobbsee: Fine with me... one more reason to try some other distribution:-) [06:11] Hobbsee: Great! Then it won't take too long to get fixed:-) [06:12] hunger: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.3-1ubuntu2 "Currently building" [06:12] Riddell: PERFECT! [06:13] Riddell: woot! nice work! === kane__ [n=kane@202.83.33.85] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:14] argh, how's it 2.15 already? === Hobbsee beds. [06:14] Night Hobbsee. I'll try to fix my pbuilder [06:14] bddebian: cool, thanks :) === Hobbsee will likely install edgy tomorrow. === Riddell is on holiday tomorrow [06:15] so if it's still broken, bad luck! [06:15] (where holiday means going to the Canonical office and doing a talk on kubuntu) [06:15] Riddell: what holiday? [06:15] ooh, fun === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.100] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:15] UKUUG [06:16] so they get to whinge at you about a broken kdelibs? [06:16] in english? [06:16] yes === Hobbsee wonders what UKUUG stands for [06:16] UK Unix Users Group [06:16] Riddell: would you like upload skim for me. it's here http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/packages/s/skim [06:16] freeflying-g4: put it on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates and I'll get round to it in a bit [06:17] shit!!!!! [06:17] on that note, i'm going to bed. [06:17] bloody freenode. [06:20] Hobbsee: I got something that might help you getting to sleep === Hobbsee notes freenode being attacked again. [06:20] really? [06:21] dunno - chanserv went down [06:21] it was just shut down for a sec [06:21] hmmm. [06:22] Hobbsee: Now the attackers even start to do announcements:-) [06:22] hunger: heh [06:23] That reminds me of that usb-stick trick a security consultant company did at a customers site. [06:25] okay, night all === Hobbsee can sleep knowing that freenode is *not* being attacked now. [06:26] hehe [06:26] i think [06:34] moins all around [06:35] Hello nixternal [06:36] well hello there this beautiful day ;) [06:39] go Riddell go :-) === kwwii just built the new inkscape...what fun! it requires pretty much everything (libcairo, etc.) [06:44] wow.. Riddell is comitting like a mad man ;) [06:47] they'll all get stuck in dep-wait === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon__ [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:52] wow what an intersting slash screen starting up my edgy virtual machine :) [06:52] jjesse: hmm? === andred [i=bnc@62.75.169.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:53] heh ( if you notice on te ubuntu-devel list ) its a test screen [06:53] Riddell, the usplash image [06:53] got a screenshot? [06:53] yea one sec [06:53] sure i can get a screenshot [06:55] do you just want me to email it to you? [06:55] Riddell, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/edgy1.png [06:56] mm, nice [06:56] imbrandon: is that windows you are running or just themed to look like windows? [06:57] xpde? :-) [06:57] jjesse, a half royale half polyester kde theme [06:57] it looks really nice === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.100] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:58] the full royale theme ( kde ) is screen shot here http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot2.png [06:58] ^^ that one looks better [06:58] i like it [06:58] bddebian, nope kde ;) [06:59] jjesse, http://www.buntudot.org/howtos/kubuntu-howtos/setting-up-the-royale-theme/ [06:59] cuz so many ask how i set it up lol [07:00] can you take virtual machines you created in vm workstation in windows and use them in vmplayer thru kubuntu? [07:00] yea [07:00] just needs the files from the vm dir , no changes have to be made [07:00] the vmx vmdk etc [07:01] thinking about formating my drive and installing kubuntu but don't know for sure === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:01] hehe just format it use kubuntu and my royale theme to make it look like windows and then wine for what win apps you need ( or vmware ) hehe [07:02] ^^ its what i do ;) heh [07:02] is there a vm workstation for linux? [07:02] Riddell: do you remember when I had made a small change in a package and sent you the diff ? If you don't mind, could you explain the steps again ? I would like to submit more changes ... [07:02] actualy the ONLY windows app i must have is PS and it runs great in wine [07:03] hmm there is so i can use my licenses for vm workstation to run it [07:03] gimp > ps [07:03] nice [07:03] kane__, i can help you do that if he is busy [07:03] imbrandon: yes please :) [07:03] imbrandon: basically, he had given me some steps .. [07:04] i believe i first made the change [07:04] then did something like 'dch -i' or something [07:04] i dont really remember the steps [07:05] kane__: which part do you need explained [07:06] kane__: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc is the final step [07:06] Riddell: i dont remember the exact steps performed [07:06] 'dch -i' is the first right ? [07:07] that adds a changelog entry if I am not mistaken [07:07] after that ? [07:07] kane__: apt-get source foo; cd foo-; make changes; dch -i (adds changelog); debuild (test build); debuild -S; cd ..; debdiff old.dsc new.dsc === |L30n1d [n=My8os@ppp155-111.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [07:08] jpatrick: see comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2399 [07:08] Riddell: great thanks === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:14] Riddell: why would it need ${shlibs:Depends} ? [07:14] jpatrick: dunno but the debian says they were added [07:14] jpatrick: if there's a reason we don't have them that's fine but I can't think of one [07:15] Riddell: because kmplayer deps on kmplayer-base which has ${shlibs:Depends} [07:15] uniq: kio-apt at U.L.N is out of sync with dapper [07:16] jpatrick: kmplayer-konq-plugins also needs it [07:16] jpatrick: but there's no reason not to have it on all packages [07:16] Riddell: but that deps on kmplayer-base too [07:17] jpatrick: it also has its own .so files [07:17] which may have other dependencies [07:18] or they may not but shlibs:Depends will be a better judge than human eye [07:18] ok, shlibs:Depends for all [07:18] yay! [07:20] ;) === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:33] Riddell: done and reuploaded === My8os [n=My8os@ppp144-17.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:55] Riddell, ping [07:56] imbrandon: hi [07:57] heya wth does this mean .... never seen it before [07:57] configure: error: *** You need the Standard C Math Library to build Libvisual. === robotgeek is here too. === pounk [n=pounk@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:57] ahh heya robotgeek [07:57] yea he is compiling libvis on ppc ( compile fine on x86 and x86_64 ) [07:57] i have build-essential installed too [07:58] http://rafb.net/paste/results/yiiDgg35.html [07:58] once again, i throw spanners in the work [07:59] nah robotgeek this would have to be taken care of becouse i'm trying to get it in the repo ;) [07:59] heh === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@196.1.142.242] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-48-98.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pounk_ [n=pounk@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@72.27.128.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@72.27.128.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:29] jpatrick: 0.9.2a was uploaded yesterday to debian.[Pkg-kde-extras] kmplayer_0.9.2a-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED [08:29] jpatrick: changelog looks like you merged with 0.9.2 === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [08:42] allee: ah, great [08:44] jpatrick: changes are minimal. beside changelog, TODO was added to debian/docs [08:45] allee: ok, I'll merge later [09:19] if i see a change hit edgy-updates does that mean it is automatically available for an update? [09:21] jjesse: it means that source was uploaded - it needs to be build and the published (every hour or so) [09:23] Lure: thanks, didn't know :) [09:23] jjesse: you can follow build queue here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds [09:26] thanks again Lure [09:26] did'nt even know about it [09:27] jjesse: that is why we have irc - to learn every day ;-) [09:28] Lure: does that page refresh? like if i'm looking at all the packages building does it autoupdate when a package is done? [09:29] jjesse: I would not know, but you probably do not need to check too often as builds of each package take at least some minutes (due to chroot environment) [09:29] I think there is also some page for build farm, but cannot recall url now... ;-) [09:29] lure: i noticed that was just curious :0 this is the first time i've followed the development so closely so its new to me [09:30] https://launchpad.net/+builds [09:30] jjesse: yes, this LP is cool in terms of transparency of what is going on... [09:31] i wonder how they came up with the names for the machines? [09:32] jjesse: that is always interesting, particularly if you have a huge number of machines to name ;-) [09:32] i know, just curious though [09:33] jjesse: I was just reading your Laptop testing thread [09:33] I think the diff is not that big, but still needs special handling [09:33] yeah? [09:33] i think there needsto be more love for kubuntu and laptops [09:33] we probably need to start with better, KDE specific docs for testers [09:34] want to write them? [09:34] jjesse: love, for sure; but spliting test pages is probably not optimal (even though I did it for nw8240 on request of initial author) [09:35] jjesse: I will probably start with a page for laptop buttons (as I plan to work on kmilo to address KubuntuLaptopButtons spec) [09:36] cool [09:36] jjesse: but it looks general consensus in wiki is to have joint page with KDE/GNOME/Xfce specific noted === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.33.85] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:36] problem is only that KDE way is not always documented and therefore it looks like GNOME-only page [09:36] Lure: but not always like that in the documents see Kubuntu Desktop Guide and Gnome Desktop Guide [09:37] jjesse: true, documentation is different, as you read it as book and the focus is on desktop === froud [n=froud@dsl-145-7-07.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:38] hi [09:38] = almost everything is DE specific [09:38] Does kubuntu install koffice and firefox by default? Or is this something that must be installed afterwards [09:39] froud: no, OOo and Konqueror [09:39] just do "sudo apt-get install koffice firefox" [09:39] both are also on CD (afair) [09:39] Lure OK thanks. BTW why not KOffice [09:41] froud: I think it is due to the fact that OOo is more widely recognized and KOffice is still lacking in some areas - but Riddell is the right person to answer that [09:41] OK thx [09:41] But 1.5.x is quite improved, so I also use it more and more (and less OOo) [09:44] <_Sime> Riddell: ping [09:50] jjesse: amu once wrote a checklist at least to verify common desktop task. Ask him if the checklist also cover laptop specifica. === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:00] Lure: ^^ didn't notice that you plan to write the list ;) [10:01] allee: more like debugging tips for testers of laptop keys ;-) [10:02] Lure: fwiw: Maybe the laptop testing stuff can search column that below the distro is split into "G|K|X" [10:02] allee: or CategoryLaptopKubuntu on page? [10:03] adding an extra Gnome KDE and Xfce table at the end which covers features special to a DE [10:03] for the laptops that i tested i did a new page /Kubuntu under the main page [10:03] allee: that would make sense, as it would be very clear what was used - or at least make this part of table repeatable and cleary specified [10:03] Lure: I assume it's easier to check for general, DE specific regressions if they are on one page [10:04] jjesse: I know. I get an e-mail for every page with Kubuntu in the name ;) [10:04] allee: ;-) - same here [10:05] nice [10:05] argl. shit (maybe ;) [10:05] allee: I actually picked it up after you (when I noticed that every updated of *Kubuntu* page have you as subscriber ;-) [10:05] s/updated/update/ [10:06] i have changed .*[Kk] ubuntu.* to Kubuntu. Either noone works in wiki for 2 days or it needs the .* :( :( === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:06] Lure: you have leading/trailing .*' [10:06] in your regex? [10:07] .*KDE.* [10:07] .*Kubuntu.* [10:07] argl. shit (now without a 'maybe') [10:08] Lure: thx for triggering the alarm in my head === allee fixes his account === MiKiX [n=mikix@AOrleans-152-1-31-82.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:12] Lure: times are changing ;) Now I'm continiously learning from you === pascalFR [n=Pascal@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MiKiX [n=mikix@AOrleans-152-1-31-82.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud [n=froud@dsl-145-7-07.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-46015.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel