[01:39] <sebakiller> hi
[01:48] <Keybuk> s/soyuz it appears changes mails aren't reaching Debian -- does the Bcc thing actually *work* ?
[01:48] <Keybuk> uh
[01:48] <Keybuk> cprov, Kinnison, malcc: it appears changes mails aren't reaching Debian -- does the Bcc thing actually *work* ?
[02:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[08:39] <jamesh> morning lifeless 
[09:02] <SteveA> morning
[09:02] <SteveA> lifeless will be here any moment
[09:46] <lifeless> hi jamesh
[09:51] <kiko> hello there
[09:51] <kiko> stub, ping?
[09:51] <stub> kiko: pong
[09:51] <kiko> SteveA, ping?
[09:51] <SteveA> kiko: hi
[09:53] <kiko> hey there
[09:53] <kiko> I prepared an RSS/Atom mockup of a bug listing
[09:53] <kiko> could you guys check it out and see what you think?
[09:53] <kiko> http://www.async.com.br/~kiko/bug.atom
[09:53] <kiko> does anyone have an RSS reader to see what it looks like?
[09:54] <kiko> the charset is wrong but that's because apache's borked there
[09:54] <kiko> stub, you know something about RSS, right?
[09:55] <stub> different readers display things differently anyway.
[09:55] <stub> I can have a look later - I need to head out and sort out mobile phone stuff :-(
[09:55] <kiko> ok.
[09:55] <stub> If it is valid, it is probably fine. I think
[09:56] <stub> there is a validator on mark pilgrim's site somewhere.
[09:56] <kiko> it's valid
[09:56] <kiko> I just validated it
[09:57] <kiko> stub, are you okay with us giving this a shot in production?
[09:57] <kiko> it's a pretty simple change
[09:57] <kiko> salgado!
[09:57] <stub> Looks fine on bloglines
[09:57] <stub> kiko: Give what a shot? I've just seen the result - I have no idea how you are generating it.
[09:58] <SteveA> stub: do it, who cares if production crashes and burns!
[09:58] <kiko> well
[09:58] <SteveA> i mean, we only have a handful of users
[09:58] <kiko> that's not what I meant 
[09:59] <SteveA> kiko: can you get it up for review
[09:59] <SteveA> then get it onto staging
[09:59] <kiko> sure
[09:59] <SteveA> then we'll test it on staging
[09:59] <kiko> that's what I was implying though with the wrong words
[10:00] <SteveA> seeing as stub has looked at rosetta RSS
[10:00] <SteveA> i'd say stick it in stub's review queue
[10:01] <kiko> really?
[10:01] <kiko> there is rosetta rss?
[10:01] <SteveA> i don't know whether it is running in production, but stub and carlos certainly worked on it
[10:01] <mpt> Nice work kiko!
[10:03] <stub> There is no rosetta RSS - just some api work that people want turned into rss.
[10:04] <SteveA> stub: what's blocking getting the rosetta RSS finished?
[10:06] <stub> SteveA: time. It is a low priority bug on my list compared to others.
[10:12] <salgado> hi SteveA. around?
[10:13] <SteveA> hi salgado 
[10:16] <salgado> SteveA, I was wondering if you would like to review a small patch that me an Francis cooked yesterday, as some preparation for implementing KarmaContext
[10:16] <salgado> (it's basically some cleanup and better infrastructure for testing the karma framework)
[10:16] <SteveA> sure
[10:16] <SteveA> would you stick it on the pending reviews page, and i'll get to it during the next hour or so
[10:17] <salgado> sure, that sounds fine
[10:20] <salgado> SteveA, just added it there, with a link to the diff, in case it the pending-reviews script takes too long to see my branch there
[10:20] <SteveA> ok
[11:32] <SteveA> jordi: ping when you're around
[11:32] <SteveA> mpt: ping
[11:34] <lifeless> jamesh: when is the next p-r run expected ?
[11:38] <sivang> morning
[11:39] <mpt> SteveA, pong
[11:42] <SteveA> mpt: hello. reminder about the meeting summary
[11:43] <mpt> SteveA, yes, I was just trying to start on it when the wikis seemingly fell over
[11:43] <mpt> thanks
[11:44] <SteveA> i used the wiki just now
[11:44] <SteveA> i'll try again to verify
[11:44] <SteveA> i can reach the launchpad wiki
[11:46] <jamesh> lifeless: should be now
[11:47] <lifeless> whts teh current freqeuncy ?
[11:48] <jamesh> 2 hours
[11:53] <mpt> SteveA, they're working for me too, they're just abominably slow
[11:54] <SteveA> jamesh: i'd find it helpful for scheduling reviews to have the page tell me when the next run through is due
[11:55] <jamesh> yeah
[11:56] <jamesh> mpt: as iHug == iiNet, I'd blame iiNet's external links
[11:57] <SteveA> salgado: ping
[12:01] <lifeless> SteveA: there is a bug open on that already
[12:01] <kiko> on pinging salgado?
[12:02] <lifeless> or I thought there was. jamesh and I have had prior discussions on it
[12:02] <lifeless> jamesh: did we open a bug on it ?
[12:03] <jamesh> lifeless: I don't remember if a bug was opened on it
[12:06] <lifeless> jamesh: care to open one in l-deve-infra ?
[12:12] <salgado> SteveA, pong
[12:12] <SteveA> hi salgado 
[12:12] <SteveA> about the karma refactoring review
[12:12] <mdke> can somebody remove the first wikiname on https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc ?
[12:12] <SteveA> what prompted the refactoring?
[12:12] <mdke> seems that the wikiname still isn't editable for teams
[12:14] <SteveA> mdke: seems not even to launchpad admins
[12:14] <mdke> SteveA: ah, alright then
[12:14] <mdke> thanks for trying
[12:14] <lifeless> mdke: there is no UI for this, and I'm in the middle of some things. I will email the dba.
[12:14] <salgado> SteveA, we're going to implement KarmaContext and SupportKarma, so we wanted to make it easier to test and get rid of those unused methods
[12:15] <mdke> lifeless: thanks
[12:16] <jordi> SteveA: pong
[12:16] <SteveA> we should also have a bug about being able to change wiki names for teams
[12:16] <lifeless> done
[12:16] <lifeless> mdke: care to file such a bug
[12:17] <salgado> SteveA, there's a bug for that already
[12:17] <mdke> lifeless: there is a bug about that
[12:17] <lifeless> cool
[12:18] <mdke> bug 2553
[12:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2553 in launchpad "Can't edit group wiki page details" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2553
[02:14] <salgado> SteveA, just replied to your review. we did quite a few changes, so you might want to have a look at the new diff
[02:15] <salgado> SteveA, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileJX88K8.html has the changes we did after your review
[04:02] <salgado> SteveA, is it okay to merge that branch with the changes we've done after your review?
[04:03] <SteveA> salgado: yes
[04:04] <Kinnison> SteveA: The soyuz team want to have a confcall. What's the easiest way for us to do that? (Skype isn't playing ball)
[04:05] <SteveA> in what way is skype not playing ball?
[04:05] <Kinnison> It refuses to allow me to find malcc or cprov, or for malcc to see me
[04:05] <Kinnison> thus we have given up trying to make it play ball and come to ask you
[04:06] <SteveA> did everyone restart/
[04:06] <SteveA> ?
[04:06] <malcc> It's not we can't see each other online. We're not yet in each other's contacts, and contact searching seems to be busted
[04:06] <Kinnison> Yes, the directory service is refusing to find us
[04:07] <Kinnison> Even a direct connection claims "user not online"
[04:07] <SteveA> in mine, i see malcolm in my contacts and not online
[04:07] <SteveA> i see celso, online
[04:07] <SteveA> i don't see daniel
[04:07] <cprov> SteveA: yup
[04:07] <malcc> Ah ok, now search is working. Steve, you fixed it :)
[04:07] <SteveA> i see malcolm online
[04:23] <Kinnison> SteveA: Thanks, talking with you prompted skype to work and we just had a productive mini-confcall
[04:23] <Kinnison> SteveA: For now, we intend to have one call per day 'til we're all settled and happy
[04:24] <cprov> SteveA: would you have time today for a 400 lines diff code review ?
[04:32] <salgado> I got 2 failures from pqm saying that my commit message didn't match the commit_re. (both of my commit messages had a r=someone)
[04:33] <salgado> lifeless, have you done something on that side? (^)
[04:34] <salgado> one of the commit messages is one that I used earlier today and I got a test failure from it, which means that it passed the commit_re
[04:37] <lifeless> meh, I've bugger something up
[04:37] <lifeless> salgado: what was the exact message you used ?
[04:39] <lifeless> found it
[04:39] <lifeless> go now
[04:53] <salgado> lifeless, yeah, it works now. thanks
[05:01] <lifeless> cprov: I dont have time to do a review, but rather than commenting out exit(1), do you think you should exit(0) ? :)
[05:01] <lifeless> rather than actually running it concurrently ;)
[05:02] <Kinnison> We covered that in our pre-review call, cprov is going to fix that
[05:03] <lifeless> well the brnach is marked as needs-review.
[05:03] <lifeless> either its ready for review or not
[05:03] <lifeless> :)
[05:03] <Kinnison> I spotted it after he put it up for review :-)
[05:03] <lifeless> so I should allocate a reviewer ?
[05:03] <Kinnison> Can you get PQM to output a ' ' between its name and its <email> ?
[05:03] <Kinnison> cprov: ^^^ reviewer?
[05:03] <lifeless> apparently not
[05:04] <Kinnison> evo manages a spectacular rendering bug because of it afaict
[05:04] <lifeless> I've tried before
[05:04] <Kinnison> Oh well
[05:07] <Kamion> anyone know where the combined installer translation files went in Rosetta?
[05:07] <Kamion> IIRC they used to be in /distros/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer
[05:07] <Kamion> oh, sorry, forgive me, I'm stupid. /distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/debian-installer (OBVIOUSLY)
[05:23] <cprov> lifeless: tks, fixed 
[05:25] <cprov> lifeless: yes, please (reviewer allocation)
[05:39] <lifeless> done (jamesh)
[05:40] <salgado> stub, around?
[05:41] <cprov> lifeless: thank you
[05:45] <Yannig> Hello everybody :)
[05:46] <Yannig> Do someone know when we are able to translate Edgy (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+lang/oc)?
[05:46] <kiko> carlos does
[05:46] <kiko> but he is on vacation today
[05:46] <kiko> jordi?
[05:47] <mdke> Yannig: not sure, but if you keep translating dapper, then your translations will be merged into Edgy too, so they are worth double :)
[05:47] <Yannig> Fair enough :)
[05:48] <kaol> what's the deal with having both kaol and kaol-debian registered on launchpad? I know that launchpad routinely adds accounts for DDs without asking, but why'd you make both?
[05:49] <mdke> kaol: it is likely to have been an automated thing, you can merge the two accounts from https://launchpad.net/people
[05:50] <mdke> there is also a third one of you by the looks of it. https://launchpad.net/people/kari
[05:50] <kaol> nah, I was just curious, I wasn't going to use it for anything.
[05:51] <mdke> ok
[05:53] <Yannig> Thanks for the answers :)
[05:59] <kiko> kaol, it's usually because you have multiple email addresses
[05:59] <kiko> kaol, the reason we create the accounts is just to be able to keep the historical information. we don't email them (unless BjornT's code has bugs :-P)
[05:59] <kiko> kaol, you can use https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge to link them together
[06:12] <mdke> kiko: he's not here.
[06:14] <mdke> or she, I suppose
[06:19] <salgado> lifeless, did you change commit_re to not match the reviewer stamp at the end of the message?
[06:20] <lifeless> it was never meant to match at the end :)
[06:20] <lifeless> that was a bug I had not gotten around to fixing.
[06:23] <lifeless> salgado: however, I have chatted with steve and am about to change it to allow the []  to turn up anywhere in the message
[06:23] <salgado> lifeless, come on, that was a nice bug
[06:23] <lifeless> in fact, it still is like that
[06:23] <lifeless> it should just work
[06:24] <lifeless> up
[06:24] <lifeless> yup
[06:24] <lifeless> just tested.
[06:24] <SteveA> you mean you wrote tests for it?
[06:25] <SteveA> kiko: ping
[06:25] <lifeless> its data, no test funcationality for it, but I do have adhoc facilities
[06:25] <SteveA> from testutils import adhoc
[06:25] <SteveA> kiko: boomshanka
[06:26] <lifeless> indeed
[06:30] <salgado> lifeless, well, messages like https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filebrtf8G.html used to pass
[06:30] <salgado> I mean, messages with the stamp not inside [] 
[06:31] <lifeless> the []  should be jus tthe r= bit
[06:31] <lifeless> I.e. 
[06:31] <lifeless> 'Some cleanup and better infrastructure for testing the karma framework [r=stevea] '
[06:32] <kiko> me
[06:32] <kiko> SteveA, omph
[06:40] <lifeless> SteveA: http://bzr.arbash-meinel.com/branches/bzr/demandload
[06:46] <lifeless> kiko: learn about the preview button!
[06:46] <mdz> bradb: where's that description of the Malone bug filing XMLRPC API?  I can't find it in the launchpad wiki
[06:48] <lifeless> SteveA: one link: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.bazaar-ng.general/13491/match=demandload
[06:48] <kiko> lifeless, bla bla bla
[06:48] <bradb> mdz: it's in my tree, atm, half broken after adjustments made after talking with infinity in paris
[06:49] <kiko> mdz, did you see my recent addition to BugListingsAsRSS?
[06:49] <SteveA> Blar Blar BLAR
[06:50] <lifeless> kiko: you are a spammer!
[06:51] <kiko> so?
[06:51] <kiko> at least I'm not pimping global monkeypatching on a public channel!!
[06:51] <SteveA> it's catching
[06:52] <SteveA> zope does it, hg does it and bzr does it
[06:52] <SteveA> so, I'm talking with Zope people about doing it in one Python package
[06:54] <lifeless> kiko: if yousomething as rad to pimp, you would do so
[06:54] <mdz> kiko: no, I don't think I've ever seen that page, much less subscribed to it
[06:54] <mdz> kiko: but I did see your .atom that you showed to Keybuk
[07:23] <toby> hallo. Habe mich bei Launchpad eingetragen und die Mail mit dem Besttigungslink ausgefhrt. Nun bin ich infomiert worden, dass ich meine Mailadresse noch besttigen msste. Wenn ich dies aber erneut tun mchte, dann bekomme ich den Hinweis, dass ich dies bereits getan habe und nun nichts mehr tun msste.....Kann mir das mal einer erklren? Was mach ich denn da?
[07:26] <BjornT> toby: at what url do see this? if you have confirmed your email address once, you shouldn't have to do anything else.
[07:54] <kiko> mdz, did you like the idea?
[07:54] <siretart> is the authserver on macquarie publicly available? what do I need to request access to macquarie
[08:07] <mdz> kiko: RSS is not really in my toolbox at present
[08:53] <mdke> siretart: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/AuthServer might help...
[08:54] <siretart> mdke: well, the port doesn't seem to be open for me
[08:55] <mdke> siretart: right, it seems to be for internal use. i would have thought that spiv should be able to help you with getting access
[08:55] <siretart> mdke: I know that spec, and I'd like to use the authserver
[08:55] <siretart> perhaps I need to file a RT ticket? but I don't know how to do it
[08:56] <mdke> from that page I would have thought that talking to spiv is sufficient