[04:07] <theCore> hi LaserJock
[04:08] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[04:09] <theCore> LaserJock: did you saw the printed copy of the PG?
[04:09] <LaserJock> I haven't seen the latest ones
[04:09] <LaserJock> I got a draft copy a while back from Matthew
[04:10] <Madpilot> hi all
[04:10] <theCore> did you saw that ``print offset'' in the GNU licence?
[04:11] <LaserJock> no, what do you mean exactly?
[04:12] <theCore> well, there is a page that the text is overlap over the chapter's title in the top of the page
[04:13] <theCore> s/is// s/over//
[04:13] <LaserJock> in the license?
[04:13] <theCore> yep
[04:13] <theCore> page 80
[04:17] <theCore> wierd, the PDF is correct, maybe it a print error from Lulu
[04:18] <Madpilot> don't forget that the PDF that Lulu is using is different from the PDF currently on help.u.c
[04:19] <theCore> Madpilot: do you still have the Lulu's one?
[04:19] <Madpilot> no - mdke probably does. I never did download the final Lulu PDFs
[04:20] <theCore> Hmm...
[04:20] <theCore> maybe we should send the updated PDFs ...
[04:24] <theCore> is there any discussions about cross-linking both wikis?
[04:25] <Madpilot> both wikis? you mean wiki.u.c & help.u.c?
[04:25] <robotgeek> help.u.c now has all user documentation, and w.u.c has other random stuff, am i right?
[04:26] <LaserJock> where random mostly equals development wiki pages ;-)
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> and user homes
[04:26] <Madpilot> robotgeek, in theory, yes
[04:27] <Madpilot> Kamping_Kaiser, yeah, user homepages is one area we should look into crosslinking - it makes browsing RecentChanges easier
[04:27] <theCore> because right now the wiki at h.u.c has broken links to the old wiki pages
[08:38] <Madpilot> interesting - I'm logged in to the new doc wiki, and apparently I don't have deletion rights... odd.
[08:40] <mdke> Madpilot: hi. We've restricted deletion/renaming rights on the wiki...
[08:40] <mdke> the intention was to give those rights to wiki team members 
[08:40] <mdke> but I haven't added anyone yet, lemme add you.
[08:41] <Madpilot> thanks
[08:41] <jsgotangco> nice one that'll give order to the wiki
[08:41] <jenda> Madpilot: any idea where your brother is off to?
[08:42] <Madpilot> he's in New Orleans, getting pissed and selling Linux to libraries 
[08:42] <jenda> It'd be nice to see him participate in the marketing team, since he's listed as the team owner.
[08:42] <jenda> Cool.
[08:42] <Madpilot> the American Libraries Association annual convention is in NOLA this year, his company sent him down
[08:43] <mdke> Madpilot: ok, it should work now
[08:43] <Madpilot> mdke, thanks, will check
[08:44] <mdke> thanks
[08:45] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: lol and i thought he said before he's enjoying his job at userful
[08:45] <jenda> mdke: thanks for the changes on ubuntu.com ;)
[08:45] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, he's enjoying the travel at the company's expense, anyway :)
[08:45] <mdke> jenda: np
[08:45] <jsgotangco> or would he rather go to these conventions and sell ubuntu intead
[08:45] <jsgotangco> s/intead/instead
[08:46] <Madpilot> well, he's trying to talk Userful into switching to Ubuntu as their base, instead of whatever they use now (Fedora Core? Can't remember...)
[08:47] <Madpilot> mdke, so, aside from you and I, who can actuall delete & rename pages on the new wiki currently?
[08:47] <jsgotangco> Fedora Core
[08:48] <mdke> Madpilot: henrik and corey. I'll send an email about adding more wiki team members
[08:48] <Madpilot> cool
[08:49] <mdke> and maybe establishing some kind of request system for page deletions/renaming
[08:50] <Madpilot> RFD like Wikipedia has?
[08:51] <Madpilot> Requests For Deletion
[08:52] <mdke> quite
[08:55] <jenda> Is there a team-mass-email type of thing in launchpad? (apart from the mailing list, since not everyone on the team has to be on the list)
[08:56] <jenda> (sorry for OT)
[09:01] <Madpilot> mdke, something as simple as CategoryProposedDeletion or CategoryRFD would work, I think...
[09:19] <mdke> jenda: some emails get sent to teams, such as bugs and so on. Otherwise, no
[09:19] <mdke> Madpilot: yeah
[09:19] <jenda> mdke: I meant send an email to every member of a team I administer.
[09:20] <mdke> jenda: you can't do that, you have to get a mailing list and ask the team to sign up
[09:20] <mdke> or sign them up :)
[09:20] <jenda> mdke: I could do that ;)
[09:20] <jenda> Or I can just emali them manually - not that hard to do.
[09:21] <jenda> Except there are over 70 of them :)
[09:22] <mdke> big team
[09:22] <jenda> Marketing Team.
[09:22] <mdke> i can't believe the marketing team has 70 active contributors...
[09:23] <jsgotangco> because it was an open team before?
[09:23] <mdke> either that or people get approved without having to be an active contributor
[09:23] <mdke> anyhow, work, see yall
[09:24] <jsgotangco> ciao
[09:25] <jenda> mdke: it doesn't
[09:26] <jenda> mdke: that's exactly my point - I want to prune the member list. It might raise a small piece of hell, but having a list of 70 members when only 5 are active is worse than having none, IMO
[09:29] <jenda> Anyway - pruning vs. not pruning will be discussed at today's meeting. If anyone's interested - all welcome.
[09:32] <robitaille> there was a spur of interest into the marketing team 6+ months ago...that led to the mailing list, and all these people getting into the team.  Then the interest died down...I suspect most of these people don't even realize they are still on it nowadays
[09:34] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:34] <jsgotangco> i guess that LP team needs a bit of cleaning up
[09:36] <jenda> What I'll do tonight after the meeting is send an email to every person on that list (and the _other_ list on the wiki) and if those people don't respond in a month that they want to stay part of the team, I will simply remove them. _After the meeting_ because I'll first ask the others what they think about it.
[09:36] <jenda> hello ompaul.
[09:36] <ompaul> morning jenda 
[09:56] <mdke> jenda: pruning is definitely a good idea
[11:28] <Madpilot> jsgotangco or mdke: neither link in the Wiki section of https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc actually leads to a real page right now - might want to fix that sometime ;)
[11:29] <Madpilot> need sleep - suddenly it's 0230 - later, all
[11:29] <jsgotangco> meh k
[11:30] <mdke> good idea
[11:36] <matthewrevell> Morning chaps.
[11:36] <matthewrevell> We're getting some Marketing Team meetings going, first is tonight
[11:36] <jsgotangco> hmm how do you change the wiki link?
[11:36] <matthewrevell> I wonder if any Doc Team types would be interested in popping along, as we have some cross over.
[11:37] <jsgotangco> what time is that?
[11:37] <matthewrevell> jsgotangco: 19:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:37] <jsgotangco> meh...3am
[11:37] <jsgotangco> :)
[11:37] <matthewrevell> :(
[11:37] <jsgotangco> will try if i get to wake up all of a sudden
[11:38] <matthewrevell> Cool :)
[11:41] <mdke> jsgotangco: you can't change wiki links, I made a redirect
[11:42] <jsgotangco> ahh good i was thinking of the same thanks
[02:26] <apokryphos> what would you have to do to move a page from the old w.u.c to h.u.c? I've added CategoryDocumentation but doesn't seem to go over. What am I missing?
[02:27] <mdke> see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-June/006541.html
[02:27] <mdke> jjesse: ping
[02:27] <mdke> apokryphos: or here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-June/006597.html
[02:28] <apokryphos> ah, so the page has to be copied over
[02:29] <mdke> yes
[02:35] <jjesse> mdke: pong
[02:36] <mdke> jjesse: the kubuntu releasenotes in trunk don't validate
[02:36] <mdke> jjesse: also, I can't add either of those documents you asked me to add yesterday, because neither of them are valid docbook either
[02:41] <jjesse> mdke: hmm i thought i had them validating yesterday
[02:41] <jjesse> i''ll get them validating today
[02:42] <jjesse> grumble grumble 
[02:42] <mdke> thanks
[05:04] <trappist> kubuntu release notes come a lot closer to validating now, but there's one left I can't figure out
[05:04] <jjesse> trappist: thanks for taking care of that, i can look at the rest
[05:04] <jjesse> trappist: do you have commit rights?
[05:04] <trappist> yeah
[05:04] <trappist> it's up
[05:05] <jjesse> cool
[05:11] <jjesse> trappist: did you copy your changes to branches/dapper/kubuntu as well as ttrunk?
[05:11] <trappist> no, didn't know it was affected
[05:11] <trappist> I can do that if you'd like
[05:13] <jjesse> could you please, i think they build dapper-updates from branches instead of trunk
[05:13] <trappist> certainly
[05:14] <trappist> the file in dapper gets the same validation error as the one in trunk is getting now
[05:14] <trappist> the one I couldn't fix
[05:15] <jjesse> ok i'll take a look
[07:12] <nixternal> arg..i had planned for today, a marketing meeting, a little marketing research for my LoCo, and then some wiki work...then the phone call hits..pizza party tonight...what a way to end a hump day i guess...thats a lot of stuff i gotta get done quicker now ;( wheee
[07:16] <jenda> good luck, nixternal 
[07:17] <nixternal> thx ;)
[10:57] <jjesse> mdke: adeptupdater.xml is validating correctly could you please let me know if itsn't for some reason.  i'll be gone all night but you can email me
[10:59] <mdke> mgalvin: you know that -news goes to 4500 people right?