[12:53] did we decide on a meeting time? [12:53] oh === poningru looks at topic [12:53] that actually works perfect for me === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === dotwaffle [i=dotwaffl@66.111.62.170] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MagicFab_ [n=magicfab@bas7-montreal28-1177913892.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-77.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ is now known as Kamiya === rikai [i=rikai@pool-72-65-106-114.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Kamiya is now known as darkmatter_ === darkmatter_ is now known as Kamiya === Kamiya is now known as darkmatter_ === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-77.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/KampingKaiser/x-3453498] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ is now known as Kamiya === Kamiya is now known as darkmatter_ === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@unaffiliated/rescue] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:28] Rinchen: trying to sneak in here ;) [06:28] seen you added yourself to the meeting list...thanks!!! [06:30] :-) [06:30] The problem is that table is 'in general' and I work and can't make meetings when I'm working so I did it 'in general' and am hoping it'll be the weekend :-) [06:31] ahhh..and you followed along with the alphabetical layout [06:31] nice [06:32] well..after a meeting one of us will convert everything into MeetingMinutes, like show notes...so you can go over them if you miss a meeting [06:32] you can also add an agenda (or a-jenda) hehe...and have someone cover it for you if you will be gone, or submit it via the mailing list [06:35] yeah, very good job on the table.... [06:35] and getting meetings [06:35] I showed up for the meeting on Saturday but I guess nobody planed it [06:35] we verbally said we'd meet but never updated the wiki [06:35] well...jenda is the man for the good job there...he became an Ubuntu member today also [06:36] he is doing one hell of a job..and now it looks like we are going to begin moving forward...which is great [06:39] Did they actually have the Comm Council meeting with only 5 mins on the agenda??? [06:39] I thought it was an error (just got it tonight) [06:40] ya..they added to it as they went though [06:40] Figures... I've been waiting weeks for that and do they do a pearl harbor meeting [06:41] lol ya [06:41] a lot of people were not present [06:41] oh ya..you had a LoCo discussion..you were the first they called too I believe [06:41] well, I checked email last at 1am this morning and I just got back from work and found it at 10:30 pm tonight so [06:42] speaking of LoCo's, i am in the midst of organising a Chicago LoCo...it is hard work just to get the people who expressed interest to join hands for a meeting [06:43] I can tell you how I did it... [06:43] shoot..i am all ears [06:44] I found 3 folks who were interested. I then went to the Longmont Lug and signed up 20, then to the Boulder Lug and signed up 15, and then emailed the rest of the local Lugs and had more join from there [06:45] I've been doing an Ubuntu road tour and, much to my surprise, I'm packing the house [06:45] nice...i was wondering what was ok, and what wasn't... [06:45] thats awesome...you would think Chicago would have decent LUG's...but they don't [06:45] I get held over an average of 4 hours after each presentation [06:45] that is awesome [06:46] In fact, I'm presenting at another lug tomorrow [06:46] the interesting thing...I picked up teachers at a few lugs so I can move forward with my plan to Dominat....er...help out the schools [06:46] lol [06:46] We got Longmont Free University 100% completely moved to Ubuntu [06:47] Install fest at the Uni :-) [06:47] haha [06:47] that is good stuff though [06:47] nice :) [06:47] i will move forward and use some of your ideas here in Chicago [06:47] So here are some tips [06:47] 1) Steal my presentation (see my wiki entry) [06:48] 2) Go get Kaiser's books on LuLu [06:48] here..all the LUG's have been replaced with Uniforum..which is a paid membership organisation for FOSS type stuff [06:48] Those $9 doc team books are great PR [06:48] worth every penny even with the typos [06:48] :-) [06:48] haha [06:48] hey wait [06:48] im doc teamin' and helpin out wth that [06:48] lol [06:48] like jjesse and them would say... [06:48] FILE A BUG!!! [06:48] ;) [06:49] Rinchen, or now you know hes docteam, make him fix it :) === nixternal opens up mouth ensuring size 12 adidas fits [06:49] Ok...someone should re-read the packaging guide :-) [06:49] haha Rinchen...myself and jjesse have been talking about it...if you have issues, also laserjock is the head guy on that task [06:50] Lot] s of common` type -setting error s [06:50] so i've heard..i believe we are going to redo it for edgy anyways [06:50] lots = I think I spotted 6 or so [06:50] nice [06:50] how many of those did you file on malone? [06:50] ;) [06:50] I've gotten almost everyone I help on Qunu to pick them up [06:51] On Malone? hehe [06:51] ya...our bug manager ;) [06:51] for typos and stuff like that, you should file a bug [06:51] Oh, is THAT what it's for? ;-) [06:51] haha [06:51] I thought it was to piss people off because their queue keeps getting bigger [06:52] Seriously, when the Eft Integration piece goes through it'll rock [06:52] we'll have bugbuddy for Ubuntu [06:52] I'll be the most cursed person record out there [06:53] lol === Rinchen is still upset and the last minute CC meeting. === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:54] there is another one in 2 weeks [06:55] In 2 weeks I'll be traveling [06:55] new job [06:55] Is that posted somewhere because it's not on the wiki nor on ubuntu-meeting [06:55] btw, did you see our announcement today? http://why.openoffice.org/ [06:55] you can check the fridge...don't know if it's made it yet [06:57] don't see it [06:57] I was relying on the wiki being updated...both Neal and I missed it [06:57] We wanted to get several team members from the Loco team to join [06:59] which reminds me I forgot to add in the rss after I recreated my system [06:59] http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/ [06:59] added that to my page [06:59] i like that [07:10] OMG i just saw the gas prices [07:11] lol [07:33] Good morning people [07:35] morning [07:35] Rinchen: welcome! [07:36] mornin' jenda [07:36] lol Morning it is but not here :-) [07:36] actually it is now officially morning here in chicago ;) [07:36] it's 23:36 [07:36] gotcha by an hour [07:36] yes sir you do [07:37] Sorry you missed the meeting. You're not the only one who's upset. I had a lot of trouble getting my fanclub rounded up, but thankfully, I only came up an hour after the beginning of the meeting and even my american supporters were up by then ;) [07:37] jenda, i was tehre for you, by accident ;) [07:38] Yup :) Several of you Marketing folks were - thanks ;) [07:38] good... [07:38] I wanted to rah rah you [07:38] but you didn't need it :-) [07:38] half there meeting was there for jenda :) [07:39] :) [07:40] :) i'm not sure if i felt happier for myself with ubuntu-au offical now, or jenda getting his membership :0 [07:40] Even silbs said she'd tip in, but she didn't turn up in the end. [07:40] \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ <--- that was a rah rah rah i seen at the meeting!!! [07:40] Kamping_Kaiser: oooh congrats on that ;) [07:40] I didn't realise that was your thing too :) [07:41] :) [07:42] hehe, I'll settle for a +1 instead of a -1 [07:43] jenda, I can't make tomorrow's/today's meeting. It's during my normal working hours and I'm packed solid with meetings. [07:44] I need to convince one of sabdfl's groups to hire me..that's all there is to it. [07:44] hehe [07:45] speaking of meetings, I think it's time I prepare to fall exhausted onto my bed. [07:45] I bid you all a good...morning. :-) [07:46] later mate :) [07:46] Wish me luck at my Ubuntu presentation tonight :-) Should be fun. I already have 30 confirmed guests. [07:46] :) *envy* [07:47] I'll try to get more pictures up on the ColoradoTeam's photos area [07:47] see ya === damned [n=vpol@prior.lanck.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:50] meh, missed him. === jenda airs a "good luck Rinchen" [07:50] hello damned [07:50] Your IP changed ;) [07:50] jenda: morning :) yes, ip changed :) [07:51] at work? [07:51] yes. in office. [07:55] where are people in here from? i can recognise a few, is it very spread out? === damned from Russia. [07:56] well considering my new baby is -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam I will give you 2 guesses :) === Kamping_Kaiser from Australia :) [07:56] Chicago, IL United STates of A*$#$#* [07:56] lol. USofA ;) [07:57] it is well spread out, jenda 's from c*z*, jsgotangco iirc is near me, philipines perhaps [07:57] actually...i prefer to let others know..im really from the state of confusion...as that was in a song, which one i can't remember ;) [07:57] hehe [07:58] jsgotangco is from Chicago originally...he decided to leave this great corrupted governement of a city ;) [07:58] hahaha [07:58] what can i say, i went home [07:58] told ya ;) [07:58] true..as many smart people who live here tend to do [07:58] i feel my iq shriveling up [07:58] hehe === Kamping_Kaiser wants to move to NZ [07:59] i thought most people in NZ are moving to AU === nixternal wants to move to greece ;) [07:59] yeah i hear greece is great [08:00] hm. not really keen on learning greek myself [08:01] NZ would be intresting, its like australia, but different enough to notice === damned doesn't want to move anywhere... except may be some european countries. [08:01] really now i went there before and loved the place...but my wife didnt like the silence of most places there [08:01] just give me stable, uncapped and cheap broadband and i can live anywhere [08:02] hehe. AU is out for you then [08:03] i don't want to pay for internet... that's why work for an isp. [08:03] *rofl* [08:04] g'nite everyone [08:04] good night [08:04] later mate [08:07] g'nite mate [08:09] Good night === jenda wants better broadband too... [08:50] nixternal_, ping [08:51] shhh! [08:51] he's asleep ;) [08:52] :| === Kamping_Kaiser will try and get him tomorrow [08:52] i wont to get added to that availability table, but i'm to scared to edit it :) === Kamping_Kaiser will email him === GazzaK [n=Gary@81.130.170.65] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [09:03] Kamping_Kaiser: I can do that. [09:03] Just tell me your hours, I'll put them up [09:04] jenda, just emailed him :$ [09:04] shall i email you as well? [09:04] Sure [09:04] I'll put it up immediately. [09:04] jenda@? [09:04] u.c? [09:04] or not ye t :) [09:04] j e n d a vancura @ g-m-ale.com [09:05] g-male :-D [09:05] :D [09:05] without the spaces and other cwap, of course. [09:05] lol [09:05] hehe === jenda doesn't feel very comfortable typing his email in an open channel - less so with a logbot. [09:06] logbot!!! - me hides === Kamping_Kaiser sends to jenda [09:06] jenda, know the feeling === jenda receives === GazzaK hacks the email halfway through, ahhhh, interesting... [09:10] later crew. :) [09:10] eek! [09:10] my pron [09:10] hehe, se ya Kamping_Kaiser [09:10] :P [09:10] =e [09:10] +e damn keyboard [09:10] :) [09:17] haha ;) === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-77.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === synchronboy [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:08] sneaky, matthewrevell ;) [10:08] neaky? [10:08] eaky [10:08] s/neaky/sneaky [10:08] :) [10:08] [10:09] My login for silenceisdefeat.org is synchronboy, so I have to manually change my nick. [10:14] np ;) === mode/#ubuntu-marketing [+o jenda] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-marketing [-o jenda] by ChanServ === digitalmouse [n=jimm@p5481DA50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:16] greetings programs! just setting up IRC so that I can try to be a part of the next meetings.. thanks for the invite Jenda [10:16] np [10:17] digitalmouse: have you ever been in contact with Tikal? [10:18] not lately [10:18] digitalmouse: Hi, who are you then? :) SOunds like you know Jenda [10:18] digitalmouse: I'm Matthew, in the UK. [10:18] matthewrevell: digitalmouse would be one of the Ubuntu Magazine people [10:18] cool [10:18] if you are familiar with the ubuntumagazine forum thread, I've been tinkering with the Content Management/website end of the project [10:18] digitalmouse: matthewrevell would be one of the Press Team people... ;) [10:19] nice to meet you [10:19] digitalmouse: Ah right. [10:19] digitalmouse: you too [10:19] digitalmouse: it appears the forum is down for good, unfortunately. [10:20] although American by birth, I escaped to Germany in 2000, so I can help represent European interests for the time being. yes, Jenda mentioned the boards were down.. I am sure they will be back up soon enough [10:20] jenda: I'm gonna suggest we close the Launchpad Media Relations Team and bring it back into the Marketing team. [10:21] matthewrevell: I guess that's your call - I do believe it best, though. [10:21] jenda: Having read back through the archives etc, I'm more comfortable with us using the ofifical marketing team mailing list. For a start, we know that won't be taken offline at someone's whim. [10:21] agreed [10:21] jenda: Absolutely, now that we have an active marketing team and it looks as though everyone who wants to be involved is cooperative. [10:22] matthewrevell: indeed, I'm very optimistic about the meeting. [10:22] I think I rounded up all the important forum people - or some at least ;) [10:22] We have you all who came to the team on IRC recently [10:23] and the mailing list has been informed. [10:23] once a website design/CMS is agreed on, I could put up a forum/mailing list dedicated to the magazine to prevent the 'whim'-fear you mentioned, matthew. I have a dedicated server that could be used for that. [10:23] jenda: Yes, I'm *really* excited about this. I looked into getting an Ubuntu marketing team together a *long* time ago. It's great to see so many people interested [10:23] The meeting could really be the start of a united MT. [10:24] digitalmouse: then we'd be dependent on _your_ whim ;) [10:24] digitalmouse: My feeling is that we'd be best off keeping everything on the marketing mailing list for now. It's not so busy that we can't sustain it on one list. [10:24] hmm... well there is that, but atleast it's a whim you have more control over :p [10:24] hmm meeting here? [10:24] +1, matthewrevell [10:24] jsgotangco: not really [10:24] digitalmouse: With the official mailing list, we get logs, it stays around forever and there's no confusion. [10:24] ahhh [10:24] jsgotangco: meeting tonite in #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco notices good traffic on this channel lately [10:25] no problem matthew, just offering services if needed [10:25] yep :) :) [10:25] digitalmouse: Pop it on the agenda for the meeting. It's worth discussing, if only so we can agree that the mailing lsit is best :-) [10:25] greetings js! I was just tinkering with IRC and Jenda reminded me that there are ubuntu.magazine channels that I needed to be a part of :-D [10:26] digitalmouse: hi there [10:26] Now that the ubuntupeople.com forums are offline, does anyone have a link to background material on the magazine proposal? [10:27] From what I know of it, the magazine has a different intended-audience than The Fridge and other existing activity, but I think we should try to involved jdub to see what his plans are. He's busy down in Guadec at the moment, I think. [10:27] not any more than what was last posted. [10:28] digitalmouse: What was last posted though? :) [10:28] I was still waiting to hear some input regarding content management systems and website layout [10:28] matthewrevell: I have the forum database from a week ago, that could save a bit of work too. [10:28] that was the last I recall... it is possible that more was said afterwards [10:29] digitalmouse: Cool. I don't remember seeing the plans for the magazine ... i.e. what need it fulfills, why it's the right way to go, etc. I'm not saying it isn't a good idea, by the way, I just think it's really important to have justification and a plan :) [10:29] back in 20 [10:31] I suppose the forum is no-longer needed.. the wiki might suit our needs. my only concern is knowing what experience people have with content management systems for online magazine production.. I've dealt with over a dozen systems (part of my job actually) and wanted to get some feedback into what was comfortable with people, and at what level of users we have with us. some CMSs are complex, some are simple. it would be good to h [10:32] try looking into what freesoftwaremagazine.com uses. It's Drupal its easy and very flexible === jenda really likes Drupal [10:33] ubuntu.cz is drupal [10:34] drupal is the current template system. (demo for ubuntu-mag here: http://digitalbyond.net/~ubuntumag/?q=node/1 ) my experience is that it was a bit difficult in getting people to understand the 'node' method of writing up content. [10:34] jenda: i believe the article approval system also runs on drupal since all the artciles are done on docbook xml === jsgotangco wrote an article for that magazine last issue [10:34] ack! forget to add the logo I whipped up (it has all the ubuntu logos integrated)... standby while I put that back up [10:37] digitalmouse: how about a nice brown theme? ;) [10:38] (or choice between the U K X and E theme) === silbs [n=jane@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:38] if you see a theme already made for Drupal, then let me know and I can install it right now [10:40] something brown-ish as you suggested, though we should not be tied down to that color-scheme necessarily [10:40] greetings silbs/jane [10:44] ok, refresh the link I posted above... that should show the quicky logo I whipped up a month or so ago... will be cleaned up for the permanent site if chosen [10:46] hello silbs ;) [10:46] again I'm not 100% happy with Drupal, as its CMS terminology would give newbie authors fits... but it *does* have all the initiala functionality (article approval, sections, PDF generation, etc.) [10:46] initial* [10:46] silbs: it would be great if you could make it to the marketing meeting tonight. [10:47] digitalmouse: have a look at ubuntu.cz [10:47] would that type of a theme do? [10:47] brb [10:48] sure it would do, but do we need to copy that one? (*goes to look*) [10:49] besides that is the same theme as the main ubuntu site, by the look of it [10:49] or atleast a close cousin [10:50] do we really want to duplicate that look? [10:50] no we do not [10:51] it's just the colors we want, I think ;) [10:52] jenda: hi. I'm not sure yet if I'll be able to make the mtg tonight. I won't know until this aft, but if I am free I will certainly attend [10:53] true.. I was also thinking of something like http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/2782 or http://tcp-lp-mod.sourceforge.net/ [10:54] and I would change the header to something a bit more dynamic, like a collage of people holding ubuntu/kubuntu CDs perhaps, or some variant of the '3-people-in-a-circle' idea that is common for ubuntu [10:55] or somehow integrate my multi-distro-logo at http://digitalbyond.net/~ubuntumag/ into a nice background [10:56] hey silbs! [10:58] digitalmouse: I think this is an ideal opportunity to chat to the Art Team. Sabdfl mentioned, in yesterday's Community Council meeting, that there's a lot of action in the Ubuntu art world at the moment. [10:59] digitalmouse: Ideal opportunity for some bridge buuilding between our teams. [10:59] yeah the artwork team is very very busy at the moment [10:59] sounds like a plan [11:00] matthewrevell: +1 :) [11:00] jsgotangco: Fair enough but I think we should give them the opportunity to turn us down, if you see what i mean. [11:01] I shifted over from graphic-design/desktop publishing some years ago, so I know my skills are rusty at the moment. but the idea I think is solid (representing each variant in a single logo) [11:01] mind you, I whipped that up in about 5 minutes [11:01] a more professional build, would take the better part of 20-30 minutes [11:02] a hour perhaps [11:02] Forgive me for asking questions that may have been answered before, but without the ubuntupeople forums to refer to, I'm gonna have to bore you :) [11:03] Where's the magazine in terms of content, target readership etc? [11:06] jenda: You mentioned that you have back-ups from the forums from a week ago. Are you able to fish out the magazine and SpreadUbuntu forum content? [11:08] matthewrevell: Well, I have the dtb, but I don't know how to fish that out ;) === KenSentMe pops in [11:09] greetings Ken [11:10] Righto. [11:10] digitalmouse: have you tried joomla as a cms? [11:10] KenSentMe: Hi [11:10] oi, KenSentMe [11:10] http://joomla.org [11:10] I use Joomla on a regular basis actually.. in fact I'm starting to support it as a service of my company... it's not bad [11:10] And compared to drupal? [11:11] I've installed some joomla/mambo sites, but never actually used drupal [11:11] I find it a bit easier for authors to write/submit content, but the admin tool takes a bit of getting used to in terms of where things are placed... [11:11] digitalmouse: is this about joomla or drupal? [11:12] So, do you guys remember where the magazine discussions got to, other than looking at a CMS? Just trying to find my feet. [11:12] at the moment it's a todd up between Typo3/4, Joomla, and Drupal... they all have their good and bad points. [11:12] Ken, my comment was about joomla [11:12] toss* up [11:12] not todd up :-p [11:13] even Etomite's variant called MODx would work, and it's easy to set up and use [11:13] digitalmouse: well, i also tried typo3, but gut scared of all the settings i had to make to actually get a simple site. I heard the templavoila made it easier, but haven't tried the new version yet [11:13] matthewrevell: Tikal seems to be the leader of the project, I think. [11:13] same here, ken. [11:13] jenda: have you seen Tikal recently? [11:13] on Jabber [11:13] She'll be there at the meeting. [11:13] Everyone will :) [11:13] matthew, yes, after a long haitus of no direction, tikal popped in and took the reins... was doing a very good job I understand [11:13] Ah, nice [11:14] Because there's no meeting or whatsoever planned for the mag [11:14] so we hijack the meeting with mag discussion? or should there be an 'official mag meeting'? [11:14] and there are forums up http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ - but I notice some content missing [11:15] digitalmouse: i think it's better to have a seperate magazine meeting, because the agende for the MT meeting is already pretty full [11:15] digitalmouse: if the mag discussion takes up too much time, we'll oust you to start a new meeting at another time [11:16] digitalmouse: To me, the mag is *exactly* the sort of thing we want to discuss at the meeting. [11:16] KenSentMe: The agenda already has the mag on it :) [11:16] True, if it gets too long, we can hive off a separate meeting [11:16] Actually, no - at today's meeting, we'll only have a few updates on how the mag is doing. No joomla vs. drupal debates. We should discuss the relationships between the UMag, the UWN and the fridge. [11:17] But no technicalities [11:17] matthewrevell: ok, but only about the position of the magazine in the MT etc. Not about practical stuff etc. === jenda thinks the majority of the MT will not be interested in technical details, but will be interested in the general position of the mag. [11:17] At the moment, I think we need to regroup, find out where we are with everything and who is involved. The team has, in effect, had the carpet pulled from under its feet, following the loss of the forums. === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-105-165-49.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [11:17] KenSentMe: +1 [11:17] poningru: oi [11:18] jenda: Yeah, I agree. We don't want to go into tech details in the meeting, but IMO without knowing the background of the magazine idea etc it's not the right time to discuss tech details anywhere. [11:18] jenda: That's why I'm interested in the ideas of who'll be the readers, who'll contribute, what needs it fulfils, etc. [11:18] no problem there- without a direction/vision, tech details don't matter [11:19] digitalmouse: Exactly :) [11:20] matthewrevell: I think you should start by reading the wiki ;) === jenda thinks there are some basic points there, by Tikal [11:22] jenda: Cool, I'll have a hunt around on the wiki. [11:28] yup already did that- this is why I said I thought she was doing a good job [11:29] digitalmouse: you said you were a designer/have a graphical background. Do you have a website where i can see some off your work? [11:29] I'm looking forward to dicsussing this in the meeting this evening. [11:37] yep [11:47] hmm... I have a partial portfolio here: http://digitalmouse.int.tc but it tends to focus on my website/linux skills [11:48] hmm... site appears to be down... ah, no.. just slow today. I plan to move that site over to my own server this weekend, as well as update the portfolio [11:49] it's running on a test server (http://alchemisten.serveftp.net/~digitalmouse/) but now that I bought my own dedicated server, I will be moving it over shortly. [11:49] aw... heck... might as well do it now... I have a little time [11:49] away moving my website to a better server === digitalmouse yawns === digitalmouse -moving my website to a real server [11:54] ok... site should be up (seems they recently rebooted the in-house server router, so matthew: you can take a look-see... again it's more focused on my website work. my publishing/graphic design experience pre-dates year 2000 - mostly work in PageMaker/Photoshop/Illustrator for a variety of local government and private clients (should be references on my CV to that effect). I did do much of the graphical design on the websites in [12:02] (and the crowd goes silent) === jenda has got to go, sorry ;) [12:04] picking up ubuntu stickers at the printer [12:09] cool... take care Jenda [12:14] sorry, not matthew... Ken I meant (regarding where to look to see my work)... sorry, not paying attention to who was talking to me [12:14] ) [12:14] getting old [12:15] digitalmouse: ah, see it now [12:15] thanx [12:15] yeah it's running a bit slow today... the host might be doing some development work on that server (it's only a test server anyway) [12:16] i'm running my own webserver, when it's slow i know it's my own fault [12:18] I did set up that particular server that my site is running on, but I have not used it in many months, except as a backup server [12:19] it's mostly in in-house testing server and runs dotproject (project management tool) for the employees [12:20] well, i use it to run my own website (which i haven't got right now) and test all sorts of cms like systems [12:20] yup I do the same - hence that is one of my main services, CMS support [12:23] i built some websites, but i'm not good enough at programming/php to fully support them. So now i don't anymore [12:23] And my designs where not that good [12:25] I recently hired someone to design a logo for me, but i find it very hard to express what kind of logo i want. The designs he came up with so far are not what i was looking for. [12:27] KenSentMe, I use websitebaker - it's a small cms system and suits me fine for personal website use [12:27] GazzaK: well, the cms is not the problem, the design is [12:30] absolutely - there are som many decent CMS systems out there, it comes down to ease of customization and design of the theme to attract/impress the viewer [12:30] so* many === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.159.11.67.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:51] back [12:52] hello tonyyarusso, bimberi [12:52] hey jenda :) [12:52] forgot to say 'congratulations on membership' earlier! [12:53] thanks ;) [12:54] jenda: Hey ther.e [12:59] 1pm here- time for lunch! [01:00] same timezone ;) === digitalmouse away... burgers...mmm === KenSentMe gets hungry too [01:13] awww, I ate my lunch at 10am !!! [01:14] I haven't gone to bed yet and it's 6 AM. [01:14] tonyyarusso, not got work today? [01:14] or anything else [01:15] GazzaK: Nope. I'm an underemployed college student. They only gave me 10 hours this week, and I did them all on Sunday and Monday. I'm supposed to go to dinner with the gf at 6 PM though. [01:16] not worth going to sleep, mon [01:16] Barely, anyway. I might for a bit. [01:16] best get some sleep before then eh, she might hate you if you slept in your soup [01:17] Hehe. [01:25] jenda, who was that guy from russia who was talking last night about making linux suitable for the workplace? [01:25] damned was it? [01:26] well I think I have found the distro he might want to check out... suse linux enterprise desktop === synchronboy [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:27] wb matthewrevell [01:28] :) [01:37] matthewrevell, just reading your post to the email list :) [01:38] some very good points there === tonyyarusso just got around to subscribing to said list [02:27] GazzaK: damned [02:28] i'm trialling sled, it's great [02:29] sled? === digitalmouse returns from lunch [02:31] Suse Linux Enterprise Edition, I presume. [02:32] yes [02:32]