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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:43 |
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| sbalneav | Evening #edubuntu! | 05:04 |
| jsgotangco | hey sbalneav | 05:06 |
| sbalneav | hey there jsgotangco! | 05:07 |
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| jsgotangco | hey HedgeMage | 05:24 |
| HedgeMage | How are you, jsgotangco ? | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | pretty good just practising some packaging... | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | its been a while since i did it correctly... | 05:27 |
| HedgeMage | :) | 05:28 |
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| yvesC | hi ogra | 10:09 |
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| rodarvus | good morning | 01:02 |
| ali | good morning | 01:08 |
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| cbx33 | Just popping in to say hi people | 01:11 |
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| ogra | hey | 01:34 |
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| highvoltage | hey ogra | 01:43 |
| ogra | yvesC, you pinged ? | 01:43 |
| pygi | hey hey people | 01:43 |
| ogra | hey highvoltage | 01:43 |
| highvoltage | hey hey pygi :) | 01:47 |
| pygi | what's up highvoltage ? :) | 01:51 |
| yvesC | ogra, yes | 01:58 |
| yvesC | i found the tuxpaint locale: the language-pack-fr was not installed. | 01:59 |
| ogra | yvesC, the tuxpaint locale should be in language-pack-fr-base, right | 02:00 |
| yvesC | yes. in fact none of them was installed. | 02:00 |
| ogra | we only have space for english on the CD, sorry for that, but 700MB are 700MB :) | 02:00 |
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| DanielC | Does anyone know the right way to clear /var/cache ? | 02:00 |
| pygi | ogra, we shall make it 703MB :P | 02:00 |
| ogra | pygi, !! | 02:01 |
| yvesC | I installed without connection, and when i connect and make the upgrade, the missing locale where not selected. | 02:01 |
| ogra | loing time no see | 02:01 |
| pygi | ogra, indeed :) | 02:01 |
| yvesC | Do you know pysycache? It's mouse software for kids. | 02:01 |
| ogra | yvesC, well, you are asked in the installer if you want to install them, and you have a language selector in your system menu that cares for installation of them | 02:01 |
| ogra | either of them works | 02:02 |
| DanielC | Is it safe to run `rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb` ? | 02:02 |
| ogra | DanielC, no | 02:02 |
| DanielC | :( | 02:02 |
| yvesC | pysycache.org | 02:02 |
| ogra | DanielC, sudo apt-cache clean | 02:02 |
| ogra | thats what you want ;) | 02:02 |
| DanielC | Thanks. | 02:02 |
| DanielC | :) | 02:02 |
| yvesC | I don't see any question about locale during installation process | 02:02 |
| ogra | it asks if you want to install language support | 02:03 |
| ogra | (since most users wouldnt know what "locale" means) | 02:03 |
| ogra | if you say yes there, it will at least install the language package for the language you are doing the install in | 02:04 |
| yvesC | i did not see any question about language during the two install i made recently. | 02:04 |
| yvesC | I will check: i have another install to do. | 02:04 |
| DanielC | Ubuntu's apt-cache doesn't have a "clean" command. It says `Invalid operation clean` | 02:05 |
| ogra | hmm, did you select french in the beginning of the install ? | 02:05 |
| yvesC | yes, of course | 02:05 |
| ogra | DanielC, err, sorry apt-get | 02:05 |
| yvesC | apt-get clean | 02:05 |
| DanielC | That one works. | 02:05 |
| DanielC | Thanks! | 02:05 |
| ogra | was late last night, i merged gcompris :P | 02:05 |
| yvesC | 7.4 ? | 02:06 |
| ogra | yvesC, btw how do you cope with that upload time ? | 02:06 |
| ogra | yep | 02:06 |
| ogra | your debian package | 02:06 |
| yvesC | our? the ubuntu deb maintened by thomas? | 02:06 |
| ogra | hmm, are you not listed as maintainer ? | 02:07 |
| ogra | heh | 02:07 |
| ogra | no | 02:07 |
| ogra | sorry | 02:07 |
| ogra | Maintainer: Yann Dirson <dirson@debian.org> | 02:07 |
| yvesC | i hope no. Official maintener in debian in Yann Dirson, | 02:07 |
| ogra | seems i just muddled it because both of your names start with Y | 02:07 |
| yvesC | you get the debian version, or the thomas version? | 02:07 |
| yvesC | no problem. | 02:08 |
| ogra | i have to take the debian version | 02:08 |
| yvesC | i am not sure debian has the patch you get to reduce size. | 02:08 |
| ogra | it hasnt | 02:08 |
| ogra | but i merged it from our 7.2 package | 02:08 |
| yvesC | good. | 02:09 |
| ogra | * sync with debian | 02:09 |
| ogra | * replaced python2.3 dependencys with python2.4 | 02:09 |
| ogra | * add gettext domain to desktop files to get language pack support | 02:09 |
| ogra | * debian/rules: Generate a POT file on package build | 02:09 |
| ogra | * added upstream patch to Makefile.am (--exclude "[12] ?.ogg" | 02:09 |
| ogra | --exclude "Brahms*.ogg") | 02:09 |
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| ogra | thats the changelog | 02:09 |
| ogra | the things i have to merge are trivial... | 02:10 |
| yvesC | great. next edubuntu is planed when ? | 02:10 |
| ogra | but uploading 70MB isnt *g* | 02:10 |
| ogra | april | 02:10 |
| ogra | took me 2h to get it on the server :) | 02:10 |
| yvesC | 70M, 2h ? you are on rtc ? | 02:11 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 02:11 |
| ogra | yvesC, here is a list of planned improvements: https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs | 02:11 |
| ogra | rtc ? | 02:11 |
| ogra | i'm on adsl | 02:11 |
| ogra | 2M/256k | 02:11 |
| jsgotangco | who is maxim alt? | 02:12 |
| yvesC | I would see pysycache in ubuntu/edubuntu. What is the simpliest way ? | 02:13 |
| pygi | ogra, I am supposed to be on 2M/256k but they have some trouble with increasing the speed :P | 02:14 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, intel engineer | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | interesting | 02:14 |
| ogra | intel eagerly wants our hwdb data :) | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | heh give him the flat files | 02:14 |
| ogra | yvesC, package it or find a motu in #ubuntu-motu who is intrested | 02:14 |
| ogra | yvesC, new packages need two creoss reviews from two maintainers, feel free to poke me to get a positive review :) | 02:15 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, thats what i did ;) | 02:15 |
| yvesC | ok thanks. what is a motu ? | 02:15 |
| ogra | he has 5GB of flat file data | 02:16 |
| ogra | yvesC, a master of the universe :) | 02:16 |
| ogra | universe package maintainer | 02:16 |
| yvesC | :-) | 02:16 |
| pygi | ogra, so you are giving away positive reviews now? :P | 02:17 |
| jsgotangco | whatever i do, packaging still is a dark art for me | 02:17 |
| jsgotangco | i can package but not properly for some reason | 02:17 |
| ogra | its a matter of practice, nothing more :) | 02:17 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:18 |
| jsgotangco | at least debhelper eases the job | 02:18 |
| ogra | pygi, sure, for good packages i do ... for bad ones i help to get them good | 02:18 |
| ogra | pygi, btw what about SCP | 02:18 |
| pygi | what do you mean? Have you got any discussion about it in Paris or? | 02:18 |
| ogra | we'll have distro team meeting in ~2h and i have to commit to specs i will implement ... | 02:18 |
| ogra | indeed we had | 02:19 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-completion | 02:19 |
| ogra | i knoe cbx33 is eager to help | 02:19 |
| ogra | *know | 02:19 |
| === pygi looks it | ||
| pygi | yup, I know he wants to help | 02:20 |
| ogra | pygi, i'd be happy to just implement patches you guys produce but mdz marked it as high prio, so i think its required that a main dev at lest coordinates the development ... (i'll ask in the meeting) | 02:20 |
| pygi | ogra, no worries, you will be coordinating all anyway :P | 02:21 |
| ogra | well, i didnt see it as high prio thats why i offered it to you guys in first place ;) ltsp-manager for example can easily be community implemented because its low prio | 02:22 |
| ogra | but the high tasks need to be ready and stable for release *in any case* | 02:22 |
| pygi | ogra, ah, we will have a listener? | 02:24 |
| DanielC | Are DVD images identical to CDROM images? (e.g. if I have an ISO image that won't fit on a CD, can I burn it on a DVD and have it work?) | 02:24 |
| ogra | DanielC, the dvd contains both isos and the whole package set from "supported" | 02:25 |
| ogra | and yes, you can burn CD isos on DVDs | 02:25 |
| DanielC | thanks | 02:25 |
| ogra | (in fact thats what i'mm doing for testing) | 02:25 |
| DanielC | ok | 02:25 |
| pygi | ogra, what I can promise you is that I will try to implement as much as I can and as much as (free) time permits | 02:28 |
| ogra | then i'd say you, cbx33 and me build a team and each of us implements one feature :) | 02:28 |
| ogra | bzr is great for that | 02:28 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:29 |
| jsgotangco | we love it (g-a-i team) | 02:29 |
| ogra | yeah | 02:29 |
| pygi | ogra, I get the plugins =P | 02:29 |
| ogra | oki | 02:29 |
| ogra | i take whats left :) | 02:29 |
| ogra | so cbx33 can choose :) | 02:29 |
| jsgotangco | is it really hard? | 02:30 |
| pygi | but we have more then 3 tasks, so ah well :) | 02:30 |
| ogra | nah, its not to hard | 02:30 |
| ogra | the "killing processes" feature is really trivial for example | 02:30 |
| ogra | it only needs some python glue between already existing elements | 02:30 |
| jsgotangco | i will branch to the mainline then and just see how it goes | 02:31 |
| ogra | the vnc stuff is rather advanced | 02:31 |
| ogra | (note that the spec is not approved yet, stuff might still change depending on the reviewers) | 02:31 |
| ogra | (but note as well that i dont expect many deep changes) | 02:32 |
| jsgotangco | where is the mainline branch? | 02:32 |
| jsgotangco | is it registered in lp? | 02:32 |
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| jsgotangco | https://launchpad.net/products/student-control-panel | 02:33 |
| pygi | jsgotangco, people | 02:33 |
| ogra | yeah | 02:33 |
| ogra | the url is right | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | yeah i see it now | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.3 | 02:34 |
| ogra | yep | 02:34 |
| === jsgotangco subscribes | ||
| ogra | i need to chage that to an unversioned branch | 02:34 |
| jsgotangco | 12 revisions heh this should be short | 02:35 |
| === jsgotangco remembers branching g-a-i and it took him an hour | ||
| ogra | yeh | 02:35 |
| ogra | ltsp is the same :) | 02:36 |
| ogra | ~600 revisions now | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | DOH | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | hopefully its not hosted in lp hahhaha | 02:36 |
| ogra | alone running bzr viz locally takes 10 mins to start up | 02:36 |
| ogra | it is now :) | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | well it is a price to pay for having all the changelogs | 02:37 |
| ogra | yeah | 02:43 |
| ogra | heh | 02:43 |
| === ogra laughs about "... , that the user depressed the eject button ..." from ububtu-devel | ||
| ogra | evil user ... | 02:44 |
| pygi | ogra, :P | 02:45 |
| ogra | probably thats the reason why his floppy takes so long to mount ;) | 02:45 |
| ogra | its to depressed to act fatser | 02:45 |
| ogra | *faster | 02:45 |
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| === pygi hates when people put dependencies in packages which arent needed at all :-/ | ||
| DanielC | You mean like when you install Epiphany and it depends on Firefox? | 03:02 |
| ogra | thats needed | 03:02 |
| DanielC | Stoopid Gecko. | 03:02 |
| ogra | xulrunner should solve it in edgy | 03:03 |
| DanielC | I realize it's needed, but it shouldn't. | 03:03 |
| ogra | it splits oput the gecko part from firefox | 03:03 |
| DanielC | That's good. I look forward to xulrunner. | 03:03 |
| DanielC | I once tried to make Mozilla applications, but stopped because I wouldn't accept the Firefox dependency. | 03:03 |
| DanielC | I'll take another look when xulrunner is out. | 03:04 |
| pygi | DanielC, I mean like GDL in Bonfire =P | 03:05 |
| pygi | And still people try to convince me that it's needed, and I am somehow sure it's not because I am upstream author =P | 03:05 |
| === DanielC doesn't know gdl or bonfine | ||
| jsgotangco | if xulrunner happens just in time | 03:21 |
| DanielC | Hmm... how do you *extract* an ISO image from a CD? | 03:36 |
| ogra | with dd | 03:36 |
| pygi | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso | 03:37 |
| ogra | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=blah.iso | 03:37 |
| DanielC | Ok. So there's no newbie friendly solution. | 03:37 |
| ogra | bah, pygi beats me | 03:37 |
| DanielC | My boss is going to ask in a minute, I know... | 03:37 |
| ogra | DanielC, wait for cbx33 | 03:37 |
| ogra | he wrote a tool for that ;) | 03:37 |
| DanielC | :) | 03:37 |
| pygi | ogra, isn't his tool for mounting ISO's? | 03:37 |
| ogra | but he wont be around much today he told me | 03:37 |
| pygi | or also for generating ISO's? :P | 03:38 |
| ogra | hmm, i think it does more than just mounting | 03:38 |
| pygi | oki :) | 03:38 |
| DanielC | Is there a less techie way to make a copy of a CD? | 03:39 |
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| DanielC | If you have only one CD drive? | 03:39 |
| ogra | right click the cd icon | 03:39 |
| ogra | select "make copy" :) | 03:39 |
| DanielC | Oh, excellent. | 03:40 |
| DanielC | That's a boss-friendly solution. | 03:40 |
| pygi | DanielC, or Bonfire ^^ | 03:40 |
| ogra | which isnt in dapper :P | 03:40 |
| pygi | ogra, right =P | 03:41 |
| DanielC | I guess that explains why "aptitude show bonfire" didn't give me anything... What's Bonfire? | 03:41 |
| pygi | DanielC, http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1158 | 03:42 |
| DanielC | *click* | 03:42 |
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| pips1 | highvoltage, ? | 04:12 |
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| highvoltage | pips1: got your jabber message | 04:17 |
| kihai | Hi there, hope anyone can help me here: I want to set a German keyboard layout in lts.conf, but XKBMODEL = de doesn't work. Did I make a spelling mistake (like XkbModel or something) ? | 04:17 |
| DanielC | I've had the same problem as kihai (using British keyboards). I got around it by running `xmodmap -pke > .Xmodmap` on the server and putting that on every user's home. | 04:20 |
| DanielC | But this isn't an ideal solution. It should work with lts.conf | 04:20 |
| DanielC | (e.g. when you type the login password you're using the wrong keymap) | 04:21 |
| kihai | On the german channel someone just said to use XKBLAYOUT instead of XKBMODEL, but it doesn't work either. Do I have to restart the SErver or something? | 04:21 |
| pips1 | kihai, are you sure that 'de' is the right value for German? | 04:22 |
| ogra | it is | 04:22 |
| ogra | works fine here | 04:22 |
| ogra | paste your lts.conf to a pastebin ... i'll look after the distro meeting | 04:23 |
| kihai | yes it is. I'm just trying to restart the client, maybe it will work................. | 04:23 |
| kihai | It worked! I had to restart the client, not just logout - login | 04:24 |
| DanielC | :) | 04:24 |
| ogra | :) | 04:24 |
| DanielC | Sure didn't work for me... | 04:24 |
| kihai | Thanks, ogra! Jetzt seh ich erst, dass Du in beiden Channels aktiv bist! :) | 04:24 |
| DanielC | I didn't try to get it fixed because the difference between US and British keyboards isn't huge. | 04:25 |
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| kihai | OK, but now here's my next prob: When I klick on the logout button on a client, there's the option to go to suspend mode, which will send the server(!) in suspend mode. And I guess that's neither intended nor do I want it to be like that...I tried the user profile editor sabayon, but apparently there's no option to switch this off | 04:27 |
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| pygi | ogra, Bonfire is in NEW (Debian) | 04:38 |
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| DanielC | After rebooting my laptop it won't bring up eth0 (ifup gives "Failed to bring eth0"). | 04:50 |
| DanielC | I checked /etc/modules and I see pcmcia and pcmcia-core there. | 04:50 |
| DanielC | modprobe doesn't help. | 04:51 |
| DanielC | :( | 04:51 |
| DanielC | Does anyone have any ideas? | 04:51 |
| DanielC | eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device | 04:51 |
| DanielC | Indeed, I can't find it on the device manager (though, honestly, I'm not sure what to look for). | 04:52 |
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| sbartleylinux | ogra: ping | 05:06 |
| DanielC | Ok, I moved the PCMCIA ethernet card to antoher slot and now I can see it on the device manager as eth0. But `ifup` still won't bring it up. | 05:08 |
| DanielC | Help? | 05:08 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 05:16 |
| ogra | sbartleylinux, pong ... i havent forgotten you ... but i have a small meeting now, will be freen in 1h or a bit more i think | 05:34 |
| sbartleylinux | ogra: np. thx. | 05:36 |
| === jsgotangco wonders how come he didn't get any personal bzr tutorial from someone when he needed it most eons ago... | ||
| jsgotangco | ;) | 05:40 |
| ogra | did you ask ? | 05:40 |
| DanielC | Does everyone here use bzr? I thought it was unstable and under development. | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | i struggled :P | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | DanielC: its pretty damn stable | 05:41 |
| DanielC | Can anyone compare it with Darcs? (my current favourite). | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | its best you look into the bzr wiki | 05:41 |
| DanielC | k | 05:41 |
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| Petaris | ogra: you about? | 06:00 |
| ogra | Petaris, in a meeting currently | 06:00 |
| Petaris | ok | 06:00 |
| Petaris | I'll talk to you a bit later | 06:01 |
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| fowlduck | anyone know how to get a list of all packages that have been installed since first boot? | 06:48 |
| fowlduck | i think i could diff the initial dpkg -l with the one after installation, but if there's an easier way.... | 06:48 |
| HedgeMage | not that I know of off the top of my head. | 06:51 |
| fowlduck | yeah, strange question, I know | 06:53 |
| jsgotangco | goodnight | 07:06 |
| fowlduck | g'nite jsgotangco | 07:07 |
| ogra | nigh jsgotangco | 07:07 |
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| HedgeMage | hi highvoltage | 07:12 |
| highvoltage | hi HedgeMage | 07:13 |
| highvoltage | wow, what a long day. getting used to it getting so dark so early is also weird :) | 07:13 |
| fowlduck | in southern hemisphere? | 07:16 |
| highvoltage | fowlduck: yep | 07:17 |
| === highvoltage was just about to say that something smells fowl | ||
| fowlduck | yeah, we just had our longest recently | 07:18 |
| fowlduck | lol | 07:18 |
| fowlduck | nice | 07:18 |
| fowlduck | i smell like chicken? | 07:18 |
| highvoltage | yeah. i was in france when it was the longest day in northern hemisphere, which is why i have to adjust ;) | 07:18 |
| highvoltage | fowlduck: yes, i just had chicken :) | 07:19 |
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| fowlduck | the command to see all installed packages is indeed dpkg -l | 07:23 |
| fowlduck | right? | 07:23 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: ping? | 08:26 |
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| cbx33 | hey all | 09:58 |
| cbx33 | ogra: how did the meeting go? | 09:58 |
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| cbx33 | evenin all | 10:51 |
| bddebian | Heya cbx33 | 10:52 |
| cbx33 | ey bddebian | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 10:52 |
| cbx33 | ye LaserJock | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | long time no see | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | I'll be around in a while for about an hour | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | we can have a little chat and catch up | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | has ogra been around this evening? | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | nope | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | ah ok | 10:53 |
| cbx33 | right I'm off | 10:54 |
| cbx33 | I'll bbiab | 10:54 |
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