[03:43] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:04] <sbalneav> Evening #edubuntu!
[05:06] <jsgotangco> hey sbalneav
[05:07] <sbalneav> hey there jsgotangco!
[05:24] <jsgotangco> hey HedgeMage
[05:27] <HedgeMage> How are you, jsgotangco ?
[05:27] <jsgotangco> pretty good just practising some packaging...
[05:27] <jsgotangco> its been a while since i did it correctly...
[05:28] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:09] <yvesC> hi ogra
[01:02] <rodarvus> good morning
[01:08] <ali> good morning
[01:11] <cbx33> Just popping in to say hi people
[01:34] <ogra> hey
[01:43] <highvoltage> hey ogra
[01:43] <ogra> yvesC, you pinged ? 
[01:43] <pygi> hey hey people
[01:43] <ogra> hey highvoltage 
[01:47] <highvoltage> hey hey pygi :)
[01:51] <pygi> what's up highvoltage ? :)
[01:58] <yvesC> ogra, yes
[01:59] <yvesC> i found the tuxpaint locale: the language-pack-fr was not installed.
[02:00] <ogra> yvesC, the tuxpaint locale should be in language-pack-fr-base, right
[02:00] <yvesC> yes. in fact none of them was installed. 
[02:00] <ogra> we only have space for english on the CD, sorry for that, but 700MB are 700MB :)
[02:00] <DanielC> Does anyone know the right way to clear /var/cache ?
[02:00] <pygi> ogra, we shall make it 703MB :P
[02:01] <ogra> pygi, !!
[02:01] <yvesC> I installed without connection, and when i connect and make the upgrade, the missing locale where not selected.
[02:01] <ogra> loing time no see
[02:01] <pygi> ogra, indeed :)
[02:01] <yvesC> Do you know pysycache? It's mouse software for kids. 
[02:01] <ogra> yvesC, well, you are asked in the installer if you want to install them, and you have a language selector in your system menu that cares for installation of them
[02:02] <ogra> either of them works
[02:02] <DanielC> Is it safe to run `rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb` ?
[02:02] <ogra> DanielC, no
[02:02] <DanielC> :(
[02:02] <yvesC> pysycache.org
[02:02] <ogra> DanielC, sudo apt-cache clean
[02:02] <ogra> thats what you want ;)
[02:02] <DanielC> Thanks.
[02:02] <DanielC> :)
[02:02] <yvesC> I don't see any question about locale during installation process
[02:03] <ogra> it asks if you want to install language support 
[02:03] <ogra> (since most users wouldnt know what "locale" means)
[02:04] <ogra> if you say yes there, it will at least install the language package for the language you are doing the install in
[02:04] <yvesC> i did not see any question about language during the two install i made recently.
[02:04] <yvesC> I will check: i have another install to do.
[02:05] <DanielC> Ubuntu's apt-cache doesn't have a "clean" command. It says `Invalid operation clean`
[02:05] <ogra> hmm, did you select french in the beginning of the install ? 
[02:05] <yvesC> yes, of course
[02:05] <ogra> DanielC, err, sorry apt-get
[02:05] <yvesC> apt-get clean
[02:05] <DanielC> That one works.
[02:05] <DanielC> Thanks!
[02:05] <ogra> was late last night, i merged gcompris :P
[02:06] <yvesC> 7.4 ?
[02:06] <ogra> yvesC, btw how do you cope with that upload time ?
[02:06] <ogra> yep
[02:06] <ogra> your debian package
[02:06] <yvesC> our? the ubuntu deb maintened by thomas?
[02:07] <ogra> hmm, are you not listed as maintainer ?
[02:07] <ogra> heh
[02:07] <ogra> no
[02:07] <ogra> sorry
[02:07] <ogra> Maintainer: Yann Dirson <dirson@debian.org>
[02:07] <yvesC> i hope no. Official maintener in debian in Yann Dirson, 
[02:07] <ogra> seems i just muddled it because both of your names start with Y
[02:07] <yvesC> you get the debian version, or the thomas version?
[02:08] <yvesC> no problem.
[02:08] <ogra> i have to take the debian version
[02:08] <yvesC> i am not sure debian has the patch you get to reduce size.
[02:08] <ogra> it hasnt
[02:08] <ogra> but i merged it from our 7.2 package
[02:09] <yvesC> good.
[02:09] <ogra>   * sync with debian
[02:09] <ogra>    * replaced python2.3 dependencys with python2.4
[02:09] <ogra>    * add gettext domain to desktop files to get language pack support
[02:09] <ogra>    * debian/rules: Generate a POT file on package build
[02:09] <ogra>    * added upstream patch to Makefile.am (--exclude "[12] ?.ogg"
[02:09] <ogra>      --exclude "Brahms*.ogg")
[02:09] <ogra> thats the changelog
[02:10] <ogra> the things i have to merge are trivial...
[02:10] <yvesC> great. next edubuntu is planed when ?
[02:10] <ogra> but uploading 70MB isnt *g*
[02:10] <ogra> april
[02:10] <ogra> took me 2h to get it on the server :)
[02:11] <yvesC> 70M, 2h ? you are on rtc ?
[02:11] <jsgotangco> hey
[02:11] <ogra> yvesC, here is a list of planned improvements: https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs
[02:11] <ogra> rtc ? 
[02:11] <ogra> i'm on adsl
[02:11] <ogra> 2M/256k
[02:12] <jsgotangco> who is maxim alt?
[02:13] <yvesC> I would see pysycache in ubuntu/edubuntu. What is the simpliest way ?
[02:14] <pygi> ogra, I am supposed to be on 2M/256k but they have some trouble with increasing the speed :P
[02:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, intel engineer
[02:14] <jsgotangco> interesting
[02:14] <ogra> intel eagerly wants our hwdb data :)
[02:14] <jsgotangco> heh give him the flat files
[02:14] <ogra> yvesC, package it or find a motu in #ubuntu-motu who is intrested
[02:15] <ogra> yvesC, new packages need two creoss reviews from two maintainers, feel free to poke me to get a positive review :)
[02:15] <ogra> jsgotangco, thats what i did ;)
[02:15] <yvesC> ok thanks. what is a motu ?
[02:16] <ogra> he has 5GB of flat file data
[02:16] <ogra> yvesC, a master of the universe :)
[02:16] <ogra> universe package maintainer
[02:16] <yvesC> :-)
[02:17] <pygi> ogra, so you are giving away positive reviews now? :P
[02:17] <jsgotangco> whatever i do, packaging still is a dark art for me
[02:17] <jsgotangco> i can package but not properly for some reason
[02:17] <ogra> its a matter of practice, nothing more :)
[02:18] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:18] <jsgotangco> at least debhelper eases the job
[02:18] <ogra> pygi, sure, for good packages i do ... for bad ones i help to get them good
[02:18] <ogra> pygi, btw what about SCP
[02:18] <pygi> what do you mean? Have you got any discussion about it in Paris or?
[02:18] <ogra> we'll have distro team meeting in ~2h and i have to commit to specs i will implement ...
[02:19] <ogra> indeed we had
[02:19] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-completion
[02:19] <ogra> i knoe cbx33 is eager to help
[02:19] <ogra> *know
[02:20] <pygi> yup, I know he wants to help
[02:20] <ogra> pygi, i'd be happy to just implement patches you guys produce but mdz marked it as high prio, so i think its required that a main dev at lest coordinates the development ... (i'll ask in the meeting)
[02:21] <pygi> ogra, no worries, you will be coordinating all anyway :P
[02:22] <ogra> well, i didnt see it as high prio thats why i offered it to you guys in first place ;) ltsp-manager for example can easily be community implemented because its low prio
[02:22] <ogra> but the high tasks need to be ready and stable for release *in any case*
[02:24] <pygi> ogra, ah, we will have a listener?
[02:24] <DanielC> Are DVD images identical to CDROM images? (e.g. if I have an ISO image that won't fit on a CD, can I burn it on a DVD and have it work?)
[02:25] <ogra> DanielC, the dvd contains both isos and the whole package set from "supported"
[02:25] <ogra> and yes, you can burn CD isos on DVDs
[02:25] <DanielC> thanks
[02:25] <ogra> (in fact thats what i'mm doing for testing)
[02:25] <DanielC> ok
[02:28] <pygi> ogra, what I can promise you is that I will try to implement as much as I can and as much as (free)  time permits
[02:28] <ogra> then i'd say you, cbx33 and me build a team and each of us implements one feature :)
[02:28] <ogra> bzr is great for that
[02:29] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:29] <jsgotangco> we love it (g-a-i team)
[02:29] <ogra> yeah
[02:29] <pygi> ogra, I get the plugins =P
[02:29] <ogra> oki
[02:29] <ogra> i take whats left :)
[02:29] <ogra> so cbx33 can choose :)
[02:30] <jsgotangco> is it really hard?
[02:30] <pygi> but we have more then 3 tasks, so ah well :)
[02:30] <ogra> nah, its not to hard
[02:30] <ogra> the "killing processes" feature is really trivial for example
[02:30] <ogra> it only needs some python glue between already existing elements
[02:31] <jsgotangco> i will branch to the mainline then and just see how it goes
[02:31] <ogra> the vnc stuff is rather advanced
[02:31] <ogra> (note that the spec is not approved yet, stuff might still change depending on the reviewers)
[02:32] <ogra> (but note as well that i dont expect many deep changes)
[02:32] <jsgotangco> where is the mainline branch?
[02:32] <jsgotangco> is it registered in lp?
[02:33] <jsgotangco> https://launchpad.net/products/student-control-panel
[02:33] <pygi> jsgotangco, people
[02:33] <ogra> yeah
[02:33] <ogra> the url is right
[02:33] <jsgotangco> yeah i see it now
[02:34] <jsgotangco> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.3
[02:34] <ogra> yep
[02:34] <ogra> i need to chage that to an unversioned branch
[02:35] <jsgotangco> 12 revisions heh this should be short
[02:35] <ogra> yeh
[02:36] <ogra> ltsp is the same :)
[02:36] <ogra> ~600 revisions now 
[02:36] <jsgotangco> DOH
[02:36] <jsgotangco> hopefully its not hosted in lp hahhaha
[02:36] <ogra> alone running bzr viz locally takes 10 mins to start up
[02:36] <ogra> it is now :)
[02:37] <jsgotangco> well it is a price to pay for having all the changelogs
[02:43] <ogra> yeah
[02:43] <ogra> heh
[02:44] <ogra> evil user ...
[02:45] <pygi> ogra, :P
[02:45] <ogra> probably thats the reason why his floppy takes so long to mount ;) 
[02:45] <ogra> its to depressed to act fatser
[02:45] <ogra> *faster
[03:02] <DanielC> You mean like when you install Epiphany and it depends on Firefox?
[03:02] <ogra> thats needed
[03:02] <DanielC> Stoopid Gecko.
[03:03] <ogra> xulrunner should solve it in edgy
[03:03] <DanielC> I realize it's needed, but it shouldn't.
[03:03] <ogra> it splits oput the gecko part from firefox 
[03:03] <DanielC> That's good. I look forward to xulrunner.
[03:03] <DanielC> I once tried to make Mozilla applications, but stopped because I wouldn't accept the Firefox dependency.
[03:04] <DanielC> I'll take another look when xulrunner is out.
[03:05] <pygi> DanielC, I mean like GDL in Bonfire =P
[03:05] <pygi> And still people try to convince me that it's needed, and I am somehow sure it's not because I am upstream author =P
[03:21] <jsgotangco> if xulrunner happens just in time
[03:36] <DanielC> Hmm... how do you *extract* an ISO image from a CD?
[03:36] <ogra> with dd
[03:37] <pygi> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso
[03:37] <ogra> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=blah.iso
[03:37] <DanielC> Ok. So there's no newbie friendly solution.
[03:37] <ogra> bah, pygi beats me
[03:37] <DanielC> My boss is going to ask in a minute, I know...
[03:37] <ogra> DanielC, wait for cbx33
[03:37] <ogra> he wrote a tool for that ;)
[03:37] <DanielC> :)
[03:37] <pygi> ogra, isn't his tool for mounting ISO's?
[03:37] <ogra> but he wont be around much today he told me
[03:38] <pygi> or also for generating ISO's? :P
[03:38] <ogra> hmm, i think it does more than just mounting
[03:38] <pygi> oki :)
[03:39] <DanielC> Is there a less techie way to make a copy of a CD?
[03:39] <DanielC> If you have only one CD drive?
[03:39] <ogra> right click the cd icon
[03:39] <ogra> select "make copy" :)
[03:40] <DanielC> Oh, excellent.
[03:40] <DanielC> That's a boss-friendly solution.
[03:40] <pygi> DanielC, or Bonfire ^^
[03:40] <ogra> which isnt in dapper :P
[03:41] <pygi> ogra, right =P
[03:41] <DanielC> I guess that explains why "aptitude show bonfire" didn't give me anything... What's Bonfire?
[03:42] <pygi> DanielC, http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1158
[03:42] <DanielC> *click*
[04:12] <pips1> highvoltage, ?
[04:17] <highvoltage> pips1: got your jabber message
[04:17] <kihai> Hi there, hope anyone  can help me here: I want to set a German keyboard layout in lts.conf, but XKBMODEL = de doesn't work. Did I make a spelling mistake (like XkbModel or something) ?
[04:20] <DanielC> I've had the same problem as kihai (using British keyboards). I got around it by running `xmodmap -pke > .Xmodmap` on the server and putting that on every user's home.
[04:20] <DanielC> But this isn't an ideal solution. It should work with lts.conf
[04:21] <DanielC> (e.g. when you type the login password you're using the wrong keymap)
[04:21] <kihai> On the german channel someone just said to use XKBLAYOUT instead of XKBMODEL, but it doesn't work either. Do I have to restart the SErver or something?
[04:22] <pips1> kihai, are you sure that 'de' is the right value for German?
[04:22] <ogra> it is
[04:22] <ogra> works fine here
[04:23] <ogra> paste your lts.conf to a pastebin ... i'll look after the distro meeting
[04:23] <kihai> yes it is. I'm just trying to restart the client, maybe it will work.................
[04:24] <kihai> It worked! I had to restart the client, not just logout - login
[04:24] <DanielC> :)
[04:24] <ogra> :)
[04:24] <DanielC> Sure didn't work for me...
[04:24] <kihai> Thanks, ogra! Jetzt seh ich erst, dass Du in beiden Channels aktiv bist! :)
[04:25] <DanielC> I didn't try to get it fixed because the difference between US and British keyboards isn't huge.
[04:27] <kihai> OK, but now here's my next prob: When I klick on the logout button on a client, there's the option to go to suspend mode, which will send the server(!) in suspend mode. And I guess that's neither intended nor do I want it to be like that...I tried the user profile editor sabayon, but apparently there's no option to switch this off
[04:38] <pygi> ogra, Bonfire is in NEW (Debian)
[04:50] <DanielC> After rebooting my laptop it won't bring up eth0 (ifup gives "Failed to bring eth0").
[04:50] <DanielC> I checked /etc/modules and I see pcmcia and pcmcia-core there.
[04:51] <DanielC> modprobe doesn't help.
[04:51] <DanielC> :(
[04:51] <DanielC> Does anyone have any ideas?
[04:51] <DanielC> eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[04:52] <DanielC> Indeed, I can't find it on the device manager (though, honestly, I'm not sure what to look for).
[05:06] <sbartleylinux> ogra: ping
[05:08] <DanielC> Ok, I moved the PCMCIA ethernet card to antoher slot and now I can see it on the device manager as eth0. But `ifup` still won't bring it up.
[05:08] <DanielC> Help?
[05:16] <bddebian> Hello
[05:34] <ogra> sbartleylinux, pong ... i havent forgotten you ... but i have a small meeting now, will be freen in 1h or a bit more i think
[05:36] <sbartleylinux> ogra: np. thx.
[05:40] <jsgotangco> ;)
[05:40] <ogra> did you ask ? 
[05:40] <DanielC> Does everyone here use bzr? I thought it was unstable and under development.
[05:40] <jsgotangco> i struggled :P
[05:41] <jsgotangco> DanielC: its pretty damn stable
[05:41] <DanielC> Can anyone compare it with Darcs? (my current favourite).
[05:41] <jsgotangco> its best you look into the bzr wiki
[05:41] <DanielC> k
[06:00] <Petaris> ogra: you about?
[06:00] <ogra> Petaris, in a meeting currently
[06:00] <Petaris> ok
[06:01] <Petaris> I'll talk to you a bit later
[06:48] <fowlduck> anyone know how to get a list of all packages that have been installed since first boot?
[06:48] <fowlduck> i think i could diff the initial dpkg -l with the one after installation, but if there's an easier way....
[06:51] <HedgeMage> not that I know of off the top of my head.
[06:53] <fowlduck> yeah, strange question, I know
[07:06] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[07:07] <fowlduck> g'nite jsgotangco 
[07:07] <ogra> nigh jsgotangco 
[07:12] <HedgeMage> hi highvoltage 
[07:13] <highvoltage> hi HedgeMage 
[07:13] <highvoltage> wow, what a long day. getting used to it getting so dark so early is also weird :)
[07:16] <fowlduck> in southern hemisphere?
[07:17] <highvoltage> fowlduck: yep
[07:18] <fowlduck> yeah, we just had our longest recently
[07:18] <fowlduck> lol
[07:18] <fowlduck> nice
[07:18] <fowlduck> i smell like chicken?
[07:18] <highvoltage> yeah. i was in france when it was the longest day in northern hemisphere, which is why i have to adjust ;)
[07:19] <highvoltage> fowlduck: yes, i just had chicken :)
[07:23] <fowlduck> the command to see all installed packages is indeed dpkg -l
[07:23] <fowlduck> right?
[08:26] <LaserJock> ogra: ping?
[09:58] <cbx33> hey all
[09:58] <cbx33> ogra: how did the meeting go?
[10:51] <cbx33> evenin all
[10:52] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[10:52] <cbx33> ey bddebian 
[10:52] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[10:53] <cbx33> ye LaserJock 
[10:53] <cbx33> long time no see
[10:53] <cbx33> I'll be around in a while for about an hour
[10:53] <cbx33> we can have a little chat and catch up
[10:53] <cbx33> has ogra been around this evening?
[10:53] <LaserJock> nope
[10:53] <cbx33> ah ok
[10:54] <cbx33> right I'm off
[10:54] <cbx33> I'll bbiab