=== Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@203.161.101.141.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === DarkElf109 [i=darkelf@ip68-98-18-98.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #edubuntu [] === ttongfly_ [n=ttongfly@211-47-128-71.rev.krline.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [03:43] Howdy === mhz [n=mhz@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [i=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:04] Evening #edubuntu! [05:06] hey sbalneav [05:07] hey there jsgotangco! === HedgeMage peeks in and says hi [05:24] hey HedgeMage [05:27] How are you, jsgotangco ? [05:27] pretty good just practising some packaging... [05:27] its been a while since i did it correctly... [05:28] :) === mhz is now known as mhz_zZZzZ === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.121.122.5] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:09] hi ogra === sankar [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === sankar is now known as sankarshan === ubotu_ [n=ubotu@81.171.100.21] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA2 [n=chevron_@203.161.101.141.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === ali [n=ali@218.111.48.22] has joined #edubuntu [01:02] good morning [01:08] good morning === cbx33 [n=542de178@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu [01:11] Just popping in to say hi people === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [01:34] hey === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-238-78.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@203.161.101.141.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [01:43] hey ogra [01:43] yvesC, you pinged ? [01:43] hey hey people [01:43] hey highvoltage [01:47] hey hey pygi :) [01:51] what's up highvoltage ? :) [01:58] ogra, yes [01:59] i found the tuxpaint locale: the language-pack-fr was not installed. [02:00] yvesC, the tuxpaint locale should be in language-pack-fr-base, right [02:00] yes. in fact none of them was installed. [02:00] we only have space for english on the CD, sorry for that, but 700MB are 700MB :) === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu [02:00] Does anyone know the right way to clear /var/cache ? [02:00] ogra, we shall make it 703MB :P [02:01] pygi, !! [02:01] I installed without connection, and when i connect and make the upgrade, the missing locale where not selected. [02:01] loing time no see [02:01] ogra, indeed :) [02:01] Do you know pysycache? It's mouse software for kids. [02:01] yvesC, well, you are asked in the installer if you want to install them, and you have a language selector in your system menu that cares for installation of them [02:02] either of them works [02:02] Is it safe to run `rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb` ? [02:02] DanielC, no [02:02] :( [02:02] pysycache.org [02:02] DanielC, sudo apt-cache clean [02:02] thats what you want ;) [02:02] Thanks. [02:02] :) [02:02] I don't see any question about locale during installation process [02:03] it asks if you want to install language support [02:03] (since most users wouldnt know what "locale" means) [02:04] if you say yes there, it will at least install the language package for the language you are doing the install in [02:04] i did not see any question about language during the two install i made recently. [02:04] I will check: i have another install to do. [02:05] Ubuntu's apt-cache doesn't have a "clean" command. It says `Invalid operation clean` [02:05] hmm, did you select french in the beginning of the install ? [02:05] yes, of course [02:05] DanielC, err, sorry apt-get [02:05] apt-get clean [02:05] That one works. [02:05] Thanks! [02:05] was late last night, i merged gcompris :P [02:06] 7.4 ? [02:06] yvesC, btw how do you cope with that upload time ? [02:06] yep [02:06] your debian package [02:06] our? the ubuntu deb maintened by thomas? [02:07] hmm, are you not listed as maintainer ? [02:07] heh [02:07] no [02:07] sorry [02:07] Maintainer: Yann Dirson [02:07] i hope no. Official maintener in debian in Yann Dirson, [02:07] seems i just muddled it because both of your names start with Y [02:07] you get the debian version, or the thomas version? [02:08] no problem. [02:08] i have to take the debian version [02:08] i am not sure debian has the patch you get to reduce size. [02:08] it hasnt [02:08] but i merged it from our 7.2 package [02:09] good. [02:09] * sync with debian [02:09] * replaced python2.3 dependencys with python2.4 [02:09] * add gettext domain to desktop files to get language pack support [02:09] * debian/rules: Generate a POT file on package build [02:09] * added upstream patch to Makefile.am (--exclude "[12] ?.ogg" [02:09] --exclude "Brahms*.ogg") === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:09] thats the changelog [02:10] the things i have to merge are trivial... [02:10] great. next edubuntu is planed when ? [02:10] but uploading 70MB isnt *g* [02:10] april [02:10] took me 2h to get it on the server :) [02:11] 70M, 2h ? you are on rtc ? [02:11] hey [02:11] yvesC, here is a list of planned improvements: https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs [02:11] rtc ? [02:11] i'm on adsl [02:11] 2M/256k [02:12] who is maxim alt? [02:13] I would see pysycache in ubuntu/edubuntu. What is the simpliest way ? [02:14] ogra, I am supposed to be on 2M/256k but they have some trouble with increasing the speed :P [02:14] jsgotangco, intel engineer [02:14] interesting [02:14] intel eagerly wants our hwdb data :) [02:14] heh give him the flat files [02:14] yvesC, package it or find a motu in #ubuntu-motu who is intrested [02:15] yvesC, new packages need two creoss reviews from two maintainers, feel free to poke me to get a positive review :) [02:15] jsgotangco, thats what i did ;) [02:15] ok thanks. what is a motu ? [02:16] he has 5GB of flat file data [02:16] yvesC, a master of the universe :) [02:16] universe package maintainer [02:16] :-) [02:17] ogra, so you are giving away positive reviews now? :P [02:17] whatever i do, packaging still is a dark art for me [02:17] i can package but not properly for some reason [02:17] its a matter of practice, nothing more :) [02:18] yeah [02:18] at least debhelper eases the job [02:18] pygi, sure, for good packages i do ... for bad ones i help to get them good [02:18] pygi, btw what about SCP [02:18] what do you mean? Have you got any discussion about it in Paris or? [02:18] we'll have distro team meeting in ~2h and i have to commit to specs i will implement ... [02:19] indeed we had [02:19] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-completion [02:19] i knoe cbx33 is eager to help [02:19] *know === pygi looks it [02:20] yup, I know he wants to help [02:20] pygi, i'd be happy to just implement patches you guys produce but mdz marked it as high prio, so i think its required that a main dev at lest coordinates the development ... (i'll ask in the meeting) [02:21] ogra, no worries, you will be coordinating all anyway :P [02:22] well, i didnt see it as high prio thats why i offered it to you guys in first place ;) ltsp-manager for example can easily be community implemented because its low prio [02:22] but the high tasks need to be ready and stable for release *in any case* [02:24] ogra, ah, we will have a listener? [02:24] Are DVD images identical to CDROM images? (e.g. if I have an ISO image that won't fit on a CD, can I burn it on a DVD and have it work?) [02:25] DanielC, the dvd contains both isos and the whole package set from "supported" [02:25] and yes, you can burn CD isos on DVDs [02:25] thanks [02:25] (in fact thats what i'mm doing for testing) [02:25] ok [02:28] ogra, what I can promise you is that I will try to implement as much as I can and as much as (free) time permits [02:28] then i'd say you, cbx33 and me build a team and each of us implements one feature :) [02:28] bzr is great for that [02:29] yeah [02:29] we love it (g-a-i team) [02:29] yeah [02:29] ogra, I get the plugins =P [02:29] oki [02:29] i take whats left :) [02:29] so cbx33 can choose :) [02:30] is it really hard? [02:30] but we have more then 3 tasks, so ah well :) [02:30] nah, its not to hard [02:30] the "killing processes" feature is really trivial for example [02:30] it only needs some python glue between already existing elements [02:31] i will branch to the mainline then and just see how it goes [02:31] the vnc stuff is rather advanced [02:31] (note that the spec is not approved yet, stuff might still change depending on the reviewers) [02:32] (but note as well that i dont expect many deep changes) [02:32] where is the mainline branch? [02:32] is it registered in lp? === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.121.120.151] has joined #edubuntu [02:33] https://launchpad.net/products/student-control-panel [02:33] jsgotangco, people [02:33] yeah [02:33] the url is right [02:33] yeah i see it now [02:34] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.3 [02:34] yep === jsgotangco subscribes [02:34] i need to chage that to an unversioned branch [02:35] 12 revisions heh this should be short === jsgotangco remembers branching g-a-i and it took him an hour [02:35] yeh [02:36] ltsp is the same :) [02:36] ~600 revisions now [02:36] DOH [02:36] hopefully its not hosted in lp hahhaha [02:36] alone running bzr viz locally takes 10 mins to start up [02:36] it is now :) [02:37] well it is a price to pay for having all the changelogs [02:43] yeah [02:43] heh === ogra laughs about "... , that the user depressed the eject button ..." from ububtu-devel [02:44] evil user ... [02:45] ogra, :P [02:45] probably thats the reason why his floppy takes so long to mount ;) [02:45] its to depressed to act fatser [02:45] *faster === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu === pygi hates when people put dependencies in packages which arent needed at all :-/ [03:02] You mean like when you install Epiphany and it depends on Firefox? [03:02] thats needed [03:02] Stoopid Gecko. [03:03] xulrunner should solve it in edgy [03:03] I realize it's needed, but it shouldn't. [03:03] it splits oput the gecko part from firefox [03:03] That's good. I look forward to xulrunner. [03:03] I once tried to make Mozilla applications, but stopped because I wouldn't accept the Firefox dependency. [03:04] I'll take another look when xulrunner is out. [03:05] DanielC, I mean like GDL in Bonfire =P [03:05] And still people try to convince me that it's needed, and I am somehow sure it's not because I am upstream author =P === DanielC doesn't know gdl or bonfine [03:21] if xulrunner happens just in time [03:36] Hmm... how do you *extract* an ISO image from a CD? [03:36] with dd [03:37] dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso [03:37] dd if=/dev/cdrom of=blah.iso [03:37] Ok. So there's no newbie friendly solution. [03:37] bah, pygi beats me [03:37] My boss is going to ask in a minute, I know... [03:37] DanielC, wait for cbx33 [03:37] he wrote a tool for that ;) [03:37] :) [03:37] ogra, isn't his tool for mounting ISO's? [03:37] but he wont be around much today he told me [03:38] or also for generating ISO's? :P [03:38] hmm, i think it does more than just mounting [03:38] oki :) [03:39] Is there a less techie way to make a copy of a CD? === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [03:39] If you have only one CD drive? [03:39] right click the cd icon [03:39] select "make copy" :) [03:40] Oh, excellent. [03:40] That's a boss-friendly solution. [03:40] DanielC, or Bonfire ^^ [03:40] which isnt in dapper :P [03:41] ogra, right =P [03:41] I guess that explains why "aptitude show bonfire" didn't give me anything... What's Bonfire? [03:42] DanielC, http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1158 [03:42] *click* === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=philipp@101-84.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu [04:12] highvoltage, ? === kihai [n=sid@dslb-084-057-067-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:17] pips1: got your jabber message [04:17] Hi there, hope anyone can help me here: I want to set a German keyboard layout in lts.conf, but XKBMODEL = de doesn't work. Did I make a spelling mistake (like XkbModel or something) ? [04:20] I've had the same problem as kihai (using British keyboards). I got around it by running `xmodmap -pke > .Xmodmap` on the server and putting that on every user's home. [04:20] But this isn't an ideal solution. It should work with lts.conf [04:21] (e.g. when you type the login password you're using the wrong keymap) [04:21] On the german channel someone just said to use XKBLAYOUT instead of XKBMODEL, but it doesn't work either. Do I have to restart the SErver or something? [04:22] kihai, are you sure that 'de' is the right value for German? [04:22] it is [04:22] works fine here [04:23] paste your lts.conf to a pastebin ... i'll look after the distro meeting [04:23] yes it is. I'm just trying to restart the client, maybe it will work................. [04:24] It worked! I had to restart the client, not just logout - login [04:24] :) [04:24] :) [04:24] Sure didn't work for me... [04:24] Thanks, ogra! Jetzt seh ich erst, dass Du in beiden Channels aktiv bist! :) [04:25] I didn't try to get it fixed because the difference between US and British keyboards isn't huge. === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@201.230.21.42] has joined #edubuntu [04:27] OK, but now here's my next prob: When I klick on the logout button on a client, there's the option to go to suspend mode, which will send the server(!) in suspend mode. And I guess that's neither intended nor do I want it to be like that...I tried the user profile editor sabayon, but apparently there's no option to switch this off === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-238-78.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [04:38] ogra, Bonfire is in NEW (Debian) === dan_young [n=dyoung@fw11x.mesd.k12.or.us] has joined #edubuntu === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu [04:50] After rebooting my laptop it won't bring up eth0 (ifup gives "Failed to bring eth0"). [04:50] I checked /etc/modules and I see pcmcia and pcmcia-core there. [04:51] modprobe doesn't help. [04:51] :( [04:51] Does anyone have any ideas? [04:51] eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device [04:52] Indeed, I can't find it on the device manager (though, honestly, I'm not sure what to look for). === sbartleylinux [n=sbartley@67.108.61.130] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-238-78.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [05:06] ogra: ping [05:08] Ok, I moved the PCMCIA ethernet card to antoher slot and now I can see it on the device manager as eth0. But `ifup` still won't bring it up. [05:08] Help? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:16] Hello [05:34] sbartleylinux, pong ... i havent forgotten you ... but i have a small meeting now, will be freen in 1h or a bit more i think [05:36] ogra: np. thx. === jsgotangco wonders how come he didn't get any personal bzr tutorial from someone when he needed it most eons ago... [05:40] ;) [05:40] did you ask ? [05:40] Does everyone here use bzr? I thought it was unstable and under development. [05:40] i struggled :P [05:41] DanielC: its pretty damn stable [05:41] Can anyone compare it with Darcs? (my current favourite). [05:41] its best you look into the bzr wiki [05:41] k === jouni__m [n=jouni@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu [06:00] ogra: you about? [06:00] Petaris, in a meeting currently [06:00] ok [06:01] I'll talk to you a bit later === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-232-250.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === fowlduck [n=nate@198.150.12.32] has joined #edubuntu [06:48] anyone know how to get a list of all packages that have been installed since first boot? [06:48] i think i could diff the initial dpkg -l with the one after installation, but if there's an easier way.... [06:51] not that I know of off the top of my head. [06:53] yeah, strange question, I know [07:06] goodnight [07:07] g'nite jsgotangco [07:07] nigh jsgotangco === highvoltage [n=jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [07:12] hi highvoltage [07:13] hi HedgeMage [07:13] wow, what a long day. getting used to it getting so dark so early is also weird :) [07:16] in southern hemisphere? [07:17] fowlduck: yep === highvoltage was just about to say that something smells fowl [07:18] yeah, we just had our longest recently [07:18] lol [07:18] nice [07:18] i smell like chicken? [07:18] yeah. i was in france when it was the longest day in northern hemisphere, which is why i have to adjust ;) [07:19] fowlduck: yes, i just had chicken :) === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [07:23] the command to see all installed packages is indeed dpkg -l [07:23] right? === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-232-250.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ is now known as pygi === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-232-250.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu [08:26] ogra: ping? === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b9538f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has left #edubuntu ["Out"] === chris-t4 [n=ChrisC@65.120.148.3] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=542de178@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu === Most_Wanted [n=root@c3eea1ddd.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #edubuntu [09:58] hey all [09:58] ogra: how did the meeting go? === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === Most_Wanted [n=root@c3eea1ddd.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=542de178@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu [10:51] evenin all [10:52] Heya cbx33 [10:52] ey bddebian [10:52] hi cbx33 [10:53] ye LaserJock [10:53] long time no see [10:53] I'll be around in a while for about an hour [10:53] we can have a little chat and catch up [10:53] has ogra been around this evening? [10:53] nope [10:53] ah ok [10:54] right I'm off [10:54] I'll bbiab === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === ^Cas^ [n=root@c3eea1ddd.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #edubuntu