[01:07] <Riddell> _Sime: hi
[01:18] <kwwii> time for bed
[01:18] <kwwii> night all
[03:21] <linuxmonkey> any one test out the new skype beta?
[03:22] <linuxmonkey> they aded alsa to it instead of oss :)
[03:24] <crimsun> really?
[03:24] <crimsun> that's awesome.
[03:24] <crimsun> too bad it's still Free Beer
[03:25] <crimsun> definitely a step in the right direction, though.
[03:25] <linuxmonkey> yeah they even have a deb
[03:25] <linuxmonkey> wondering how good it would work
[03:33] <linuxmonkey> wow it works very well
[03:34] <linuxmonkey> crimsun:  im suprised
[03:34] <crimsun> I'm not
[03:34] <crimsun> (alsa <- duh)
[03:34] <linuxmonkey> and the improvements
[03:34] <linuxmonkey> wow
[03:34] <linuxmonkey> http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/changelog.html <--check that bad boy out
[03:43] <bddebian> Heya
[03:52] <nixternal> hiya bddebian
[03:53] <bddebian> Hi nixternal
[05:15] <DaSkreec1> Hello all
[05:18] <DaSkreec1> Doh
[05:18] <DaSkreec1> I'm still logged in at work aren't I?
[05:50] <bddebian> Hello DaSkreec
[05:50] <DaSkreec1> bddebian: Hiddy ho
[06:00] <DaSkreec1> bddebian: How are you?
[06:01] <bddebian> Depressed thanks.  You?
[06:01] <DaSkreec1> Worried
[06:01] <bddebian> worried?
[06:03] <DaSkreec1> Yeah
[06:03] <DaSkreec1> Depressed?
[06:03] <bddebian> Yeah I'm sucking lately and this damn package is kicking my butt :-(
[06:04] <DaSkreec1> Hey roughly the same thing that has me worried
[06:04] <bddebian> Why worried?
[06:05] <DaSkreec1> Well I'm sucking lately and I have a java project that I've thought out but haven't started coding
[06:06] <bddebian> Ah :)
[06:07] <DaSkreec1> I did spend two days reading about Java 6 though
[06:11] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[06:11] <nixternal> wo0t
[06:12] <DaSkreec1> Doh!
[06:12] <DaSkreec1> You have it scripted not fair :(
[06:12] <nixternal> nope
[06:12] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[06:12] <nixternal> i seen her on kopete first
[06:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping
[06:12] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, pong
[06:13] <nixternal> when i see the kopete tell me she is online, i hurry in here to catch her ;)
[06:13] <imbrandon> ? 
[06:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how serious was your offer of a wifi card?
[06:13] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i can send it in the morn
[06:13] <imbrandon> if you want
[06:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: just found that dad's in the US at the end of next week - from about the 8th onwards
[06:13] <imbrandon> its an atheros , should work right out of the box
[06:13] <imbrandon> nice
[06:14] <imbrandon> comming with ? j/k
[06:14] <Hobbsee> nope
[06:14] <ajmitch_> hello Hobbsee 
[06:14] <Hobbsee> hi andrew
[06:14] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: get one quickly!
[06:14] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch_
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: 
[06:14] <ajmitch_> hey imbrandon 
[06:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: fixed revu yet?
[06:15] <imbrandon> lol
[06:15] <ajmitch_> what do you mean?
[06:15] <ajmitch_> since noone has complained of it being broken, and people have been able to upload without issues
[06:15] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, jpatrick was using it just after you without probs
[06:16] <imbrandon> ment to tell you that but you was on you way to sleep
[06:16] <nixternal> OT -> http://www.cowabduction.com/
[06:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: it's broken, last night.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> bleh
[06:16] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: give some more info than "it's broken". please
[06:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch_, her upload wasent showing up on the site after 1 hour ( afaik that was the only issue )
[06:17] <ajmitch_> right
[06:18] <ajmitch_> then she's probably not in the current keyring
[06:18] <imbrandon> but as i said jpatrick was using it no probs
[06:18] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: :( why not?
[06:18] <imbrandon> hrm new keyring? can you check if i'm in it ?
[06:18] <imbrandon> lol
[06:18] <ajmitch_> imbrandon: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+members
[06:19] <imbrandon> ahh guess i'm not /me go's to add self
[06:20] <imbrandon> ajmitch_, do we need to ping someone or can you approve ?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> so now i can reupload, unless bddebian fixed his pbuilder
[06:20] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: should be able to approve
[06:21] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Nope sorry.  I am useless lately :-(
[06:21] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:21] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: remember that i meet you in under a week, and its' a good idea to stay off my bad side.
[06:21] <bddebian> Bah, I'm going to bed.  Gnight folks
[06:21] <imbrandon> lol
[06:21] <ajmitch_> uh oh
[06:21] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian
[06:21] <imbrandon> sleep well
[06:21] <Hobbsee> night bddebian 
[06:21] <ajmitch_> night bddebian 
[06:21] <Hobbsee> hehe, smart man :P
[06:22] <imbrandon> heh thanks ajmitch_ so now any pgp keys we have listed on LP will work for signing ?
[06:22] <ajmitch_> imbrandon: yes
[06:22] <imbrandon> kool
[06:23] <ajmitch_> it's just syncing keys now
[06:23] <ajmitch_> takes awhile
[06:23] <ajmitch_> since it pulls all of -dev & -core-dev also
[06:23] <imbrandon> np i wont have an upload for atleaste an hour or so , maybe a bit longer
[06:23] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee is probably waiting impatiently
[06:23] <imbrandon> heh
[06:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:24] <Hobbsee> i wasnt, actually
[06:24] <ajmitch_> breakfast?
[06:24] <ajmitch_> it's nearly 2:30
[06:24] <Hobbsee> yeah, that thing before lunch
[06:24] <Hobbsee> yes, and?
[06:24] <imbrandon> gah <tab>
[06:25] <Hobbsee> i woke up at about 1.30...
[06:25] <imbrandon> hahahahahaha
[06:25] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:25] <ajmitch_> and I thought I was bad, getting up at nearly 9AM
[06:26] <imbrandon> just dont say Hobbsee in person ;)
[06:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:26] <imbrandon> heh its about 11:30 pm local time
[06:26] <DaSkreec1> Whats wrong with calling her Hobbsee?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> i do answer to that :P
[06:27] <crimsun> (because that's not her name!)
[06:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: sure it is, i refused to let dad use it :P
[06:27] <DaSkreec1> It's her chosen name which is just as valid
[06:28] <crimsun> sure
[06:28] <DaSkreec1> bs?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> oh, adn wont answer
[06:28] <robotgeek> haha
[06:28] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:28] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:29] <robotgeek> maybe its Hobbsee 
[06:29] <imbrandon> Sarah Hobbsee Hobbs , heheh
[06:29] <DaSkreec1> Hob bs Ee?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did Ridd*ell fix kde?
[06:29] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, no idea havent looked yet
[06:29] <robotgeek> imbrandon: fix amarok already ? :)
[06:29] <imbrandon> robotgeek, just woke up 20 min ago gimme a few ;)
[06:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:30] <robotgeek> heh, take your time 
[06:30] <Hobbsee> darn
[06:30] <robotgeek> i would not have bothered (you told me about last.fm support, and i got suked in)
[06:30] <DaSkreec1> What makes gnome evil?
[06:30] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, give me about 10 minutes to update my vm and i'll check
[06:30] <robotgeek> DaSkreec1: cause they are gnomes?
[06:30] <imbrandon> DaSkreec1, other than its ugly ?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: okay
[06:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: very.
[06:31] <imbrandon> ajmitch_, considering you will be in sydney in a week i wouldent try ;)
[06:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: cue the dead parrot sketch.
[06:31] <ajmitch_> I won't
[06:31] <DaSkreec1> Oh
[06:31] <DaSkreec1> Being ugly makes you evil
[06:31] <ajmitch_> I would actually like to get back to NZ in one piece
[06:31] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, did his parrot chute not open ?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:32] <Hobbsee> DaSkreec1: why?  i cant do much over text
[06:32] <imbrandon> lol
[06:33] <DaSkreec1> Hobbsee: Oh I meant like the KDE codefests 
[06:33] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:33] <DaSkreec1> Though of course I don't know if we have that for Kubuntu :)
[06:33] <Hobbsee> we need one of them for screensavers.
[06:33] <DaSkreec1> but if we do I'm rethinking turning up
[06:33] <DaSkreec1> Speaking of that
[06:33] <imbrandon> ajmitch_, honestly why dosent the revu hackers intergrate it* totaly into LP ( *revu )
[06:33] <DaSkreec1> anyone have any issues with kscreensavers?
[06:34] <crimsun> imbrandon: LP wasn't around/ready when we first started
[06:35] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:35] <Hobbsee> DaSkreec1: yeah, they dont start, Riddell's patching it
[06:36] <DaSkreec1> Oh I thought that was a feature :)
[06:36] <imbrandon> lol that would be a gnome feature ;)
[06:36] <DaSkreec1> have you seen gnome screensaver?
[06:37] <DaSkreec1> It's unusable
[06:37] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:37] <imbrandon> i havent seen a gnome desktop in over a year ;)
[06:37] <DaSkreec1> well unconfigurable
[06:37] <Hobbsee> all of it is kinda weirded out
[06:37] <DaSkreec1> Pretty soon it will have two options Off and random
[06:37] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, updating vm now
[06:37] <imbrandon> DaSkreec1, hahaha classic
[06:38] <crimsun> heh, lucky people who don't touch all desktops =)
[06:38] <Hobbsee> crimsun: lucky and smart :P
[06:38] <DaSkreec1> cause it will be too confusing to have to choose an actual screensaver
[06:40] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, woot, looks like its atleaste starting up ( kde ) dunno how broke it is yet though
[06:40] <Hobbsee> nice!
[06:41] <Hobbsee> back soon
[06:41] <DaSkreec1> Whats for breakfast?
[06:41] <imbrandon> nice, looks "useable" as its edgy i wouldent try it in more than a vm atm but looks "bootable"
[06:41] <Hobbsee> cereal probably
[06:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it'd be on a separate partition...
[06:41] <imbrandon> yea
[06:41] <imbrandon> goog call ;)
[06:41] <imbrandon> good*
[06:42] <Hobbsee> shared /home, probably, although i may rethink that.
[06:42] <ajmitch_> imbrandon: ?
[06:42] <imbrandon> make a sarah2 account or a Hobbsee account and share that /home
[06:42] <imbrandon> to not messup your current stuff
[06:42] <Hobbsee> bleh.  that's just as evil
[06:42] <ajmitch_> imbrandon: the 'revu hackers' are also a group of busy MOTUs, and we've been working on various things
[06:43] <imbrandon> ajmitch_, ahh i waas just wondering why revu2 wasent a "module" or what ever you would call it as pasrt of LP
[06:43] <imbrandon> no biggie just being curious
[06:43] <imbrandon> part*  /me needs to wakeup
[06:44] <ajmitch_> imbrandon: apart from launchpad being closed source?
[06:45] <imbrandon> ahh very true, like i said i dident think it threw just was a thought ;)
[06:45] <ajmitch_> there will be functionality like it in launchpad in the future, but I doubt we'll be the ones doing it
[06:45] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[06:52] <DaSkreec1> Found Pics!!
[06:52] <DaSkreec1> http://www.sarahhobbs.com/
[06:53] <Hobbsee> what?
[06:53] <DaSkreec1> *coughs*
[06:54] <DaSkreec1> I thought you were eating cereal?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[06:54] <Hobbsee> i was, i came back.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> DaSkreec1: that's not me
[06:56] <DaSkreec1> I don't think I ever said it was
[06:57] <DaSkreec1> I have pics of you already
[06:58] <Hobbsee> you do?
[06:58] <DaSkreec1> Yeah Two I think
[06:59] <Hobbsee> oh, okay then
[06:59] <ajmitch_> heh
[07:00] <Hobbsee> unless i handed out two with a car in them.
[07:03] <DaSkreec1> You gave the URL :)
[07:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:06] <Hobbsee> i thought you meant a proper picture
[07:07] <crimsun> wow, there /are/ pics of me
[07:08] <ajmitch_> crimsun: really?
[07:08] <ajmitch_> interesting
[07:08] <crimsun> damn, can't win it all
[07:08] <DaSkreec1> I think there is one picture of me
[07:10] <DaSkreec1> crimsun: Who ever has the least pictures wins?
[07:10] <Hobbsee> crimsun: were you in paris at all?
[07:10] <crimsun> Hobbsee: no
[07:11] <Hobbsee> crimsun: that's what i thought.  then again, there was a guy who i thought looked like you, for some reason.
[07:12] <ajmitch_> hi raphink 
[07:12] <raphink> hi ajmitch_
[07:12] <crimsun> freeflying-g4: ping
[07:12] <Hobbsee> hi raphink 
[07:13] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[07:14] <raphink> eeew it's too hard
[07:14] <crimsun> Hobbsee: hah, really. I'm not sure what pic you've seen of me
[07:14] <Hobbsee> raphink: go back to sleep?
[07:14] <raphink> no I can't :(
[07:15] <Hobbsee> crimsun: it wouldnt have been you then - was one of the guys in paris that looked like i'd imagined you to look
[07:16] <raphink> eeew taht's a hard sentence for such an early time
[07:19] <raphink> f
[07:20] <DaSkreec1> wouldn't it make more sense to put everything as small as possible so you could see it through the slit your unopened eyes are making?
[07:20] <raphink> well eventually I think I ought to open my eyes fully
[07:20] <raphink> I think the police wouldn't like it to find me driving with my eyes closed
[07:20] <raphink> so there's no choice
[07:22] <imbrandon> heh
[07:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:22] <Hobbsee> driving while half blind is such fun though!
[07:22] <DaSkreec1> Bah Install tux on your car :)
[07:22] <imbrandon> tuxracer
[07:23] <raphink> or tuxkart
[07:23] <DaSkreec1> Or amiele
[07:23] <raphink> amiele?
[07:23] <imbrandon> heh i wonder if i could get tuxcart to run on my ipod
[07:24] <raphink> lol
[07:24] <raphink> that would be fun
[07:24] <DaSkreec1> Tux's sister?
[07:25] <raphink> ah
[07:26] <DaSkreec1> Wait
[07:26] <DaSkreec1> Adelie
[07:26] <DaSkreec1> :-)
[07:26] <imbrandon> raphink, i have iDoom running on it ( iPodLinux ) do tuxkart might run ;)
[07:26] <imbrandon> s/do/so
[07:26] <raphink> fun :)
[07:26] <DaSkreec1> Get that OpenGL fired up
[07:27] <DaSkreec1> http://www.newsforge.com/articles/06/06/23/2111225.shtml?tid=149
[07:27] <raphink> put Xgl on your ipod
[07:27] <raphink> lol
[07:27] <imbrandon> heh its only a 75mhz ARM processor so dunno LOL
[07:27] <imbrandon> i almost have more ram than mhz ;)
[07:28] <raphink> that happened to me, not so long ago
[07:28] <DaSkreec1> Can you imagine a beowulf Cluster...?
[07:28] <imbrandon> hahaha DaSkreec1
[07:28] <raphink> when I had a 16MHz MacII with 80MB RAM
[07:28] <raphink> it was a great machine
[07:28] <raphink> ah no sorry, this one had 32MB RAM :)
[07:28] <DaSkreec1> Yay! A Paris write up at last
[07:29] <raphink> the 80MB RAM was a 200MHz PPC :)
[07:29] <raphink> DaSkreec1: ?
[07:29] <imbrandon> DaSkreec1, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/misc/kubuntu_on_ipod_nano.jpg <-- ipodlinux with a kubuntu bootup logo on my ipod
[07:29] <raphink> geek :p
[07:29] <imbrandon> heh
[07:30] <DaSkreec1> raphink: ?
[07:30] <DaSkreec1> imbrandon: geek
[07:31] <raphink> sure
[07:31] <raphink> did you write some docs about this kubuntu thingy on ipod?
[07:32] <imbrandon> raphink, not yet, i was planning on it
[07:32] <raphink> ok :)
[07:33] <imbrandon> its realy just ipodlinux with the boot logo changed out and .... a few apps installed
[07:33] <imbrandon> trying to get dpkg to work on it so i can make ipod packages ;)
[07:33] <imbrandon> lol
[07:33] <imbrandon> dpkg-cross rocks ;)
[07:37] <DaSkreec1> raphink: You had a question?
[07:37] <raphink> no
[07:37] <DaSkreec1> ok
[07:42] <raphink> do you guys know where I can find a tutorial on how to set a build server with buildd?
[07:42] <DaSkreec1> http://trends.newsforge.com/trends/06/06/28/192244.shtml?tid=138&tid=25&tid=3
[07:42] <DaSkreec1> sorry not related
[07:42] <raphink> hehe
[07:42] <DaSkreec1> Just some comments made on Kubuntu in that article
[07:43] <crimsun> raphink: http://www.debonaras.org/wiki/HowTo/SetUpBuildd
[07:43] <raphink> thanks crimsun :)
[07:43] <raphink> crimsun: the deb is sbuild right?
[07:44] <crimsun> raphink: yes
[07:47] <raphink> hehe :)
[07:56] <DaSkreec1> G'day mate!
[07:56] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: yes, you should, that sounds like fun
[07:58] <Hobbsee> DaSkreec1: that's kinda wrong anyway - kwwii gets paid too, i think
[07:58] <DaSkreec1> imbrandon: linuxChick agrees. You are a geek :)
[07:59] <DaSkreec1> I remember something about that
[08:00] <imbrandon> lol
[08:00] <imbrandon> ajmitch_, i thought about it just dident know if my poor old 333mhz server would take it ;)
[08:00] <DaSkreec1> Well the byline says that he is on the council
[08:06] <Hobbsee> night DaSkreec1 
[08:10] <imbrandon> gnight DaSkreec1
[08:11] <Hobbsee> for goodness sake.  i do like taking the hard solution, dont i?
[08:14] <Hobbsee> raphink: around?
[08:15] <raphink> Hobbsee: quite
[08:16] <Hobbsee> raphink: great.  why do i get http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ksudoku-0606290205/lintian if i've just added small bits from what's already in debian?
[08:16] <raphink> well for edgy it's pretty normal
[08:16] <raphink> since imo the current lintian test is achieved by the dapper packagee
[08:16] <imbrandon> cept for the CVS dir should be deleted ;)
[08:16] <raphink> which ignores edgy
[08:17] <raphink> NMU is normal, too
[08:17] <raphink> ubuntu1 is considered NMU but it's not
[08:17] <Hobbsee> raphink: right, yep
[08:17] <raphink> so as imbrandon said, everything is fine except CVS which should be removed
[08:17] <Hobbsee> yeah, i was meaning in reference to that CVS bit
[08:18] <Hobbsee> raphink: just delete it?  and why's debian got it in there?
[08:18] <imbrandon> someone being lazy i imagine ;)
[08:18] <raphink> Hobbsee: Debian packages are not perfect ;)
[08:19] <Hobbsee> raphink: right, true.  fixing now (assuming i can delete it fine)
[08:21] <raphink> Hobbsee: well preferably you should ask upstream to remove it from next version
[08:22] <raphink> so as a result Debian won't have it either
[08:23] <raphink> anyway
[08:23] <raphink> I'm going to work 
[08:23] <raphink> laters :)
[08:23] <Hobbsee> bye raphink 
[08:30] <Hobbsee> hmm...the lintian warning doenst go away when you delete the admin/cvs dir.
[08:30] <imbrandon> there shouldnt be any cvs dirs
[08:33] <Hobbsee> yes, but getting rid of it and the warning is something i havent figured out yet.
[08:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i think i win!
[08:52] <imbrandon> ?
[08:52] <imbrandon> heh
[08:52] <imbrandon> Hobbsee FTW ;)
[08:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: want to test again, or not bother?
[08:53] <imbrandon> yea i can test it again, but upload it somewhere so i can download on my edgy box ( no email client setup yet )
[08:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hmmm...if i'm removing a directory once, it fails if i remove it again.
[08:55] <imbrandon> huh ?
[08:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i built ksudoku with my pbuilder, including a rule of rm -r admin/CVS - so it fails if i try to rebuild it.
[08:57] <imbrandon> ahh lol
[08:57] <Hobbsee> how does one apply a patch again?
[08:57] <imbrandon> patch orig patchfile ?
[08:57] <Hobbsee> *tries*
[08:57] <crimsun> you need a redirection, usually
[08:58] <crimsun> ala patch foo <some_patch
[08:58] <crimsun> or cat some_patch |patch
[08:58] <Hobbsee> crimsun: patch is in the directory above.     just tried patch -p0 ../ksudoku.debdiff
[08:59] <Hobbsee> and it's freezing
[08:59] <crimsun> the # in -p# depends on the context in the debdiff
[08:59] <crimsun> right, you're missing a shell redirection
[08:59] <crimsun> patch -p0 --dry-run < ../ksudoku.debdiff
[09:00] <crimsun> it's a Really Good Idea to use --dry-run first
[09:03] <Hobbsee> what's that do?
[09:04] <crimsun> --dry-run  simulates
[09:04] <Hobbsee> oh yeah right...hehe
[09:05] <Hobbsee> i swear i'm the biggest moron.
[09:05] <Hobbsee> okay, uploading.  if someone could test that, like imbrandon, that'd be cool
[09:07] <crimsun> .oO( you didn't test it yourself? )
[09:07] <Hobbsee> oh grr, the error didnt go away.
[09:07] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i cant get the fscking chroots to work.
[09:08] <crimsun> what's broken?
[09:09] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what i'm really looking to do is to get a pbuilder to check if the debs are installable too.  stevenk is going to help me when he gets home from work
[09:10] <crimsun> Hobbsee: an Edgy pbuilder?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yes
[09:10] <crimsun> Hobbsee: in Dapper (host)?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yes
[09:11] <crimsun> Hobbsee: that's pretty painless. I presume you have pbuilder installed?
[09:11] <Hobbsee> crimsun: the pbuilder's working - just need it to test if the deb is installable.
[09:11] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, of course.  both pbuilders (dapper and edgy) work fine
[09:11] <Hobbsee> they just dont test the debs after creating them.
[09:11] <crimsun> Hobbsee: right, you just want ``sudo pbuilder login''
[09:11] <crimsun> (for the edgy one)
[09:12] <crimsun> from the host, copy the deb{,s} into the Edgy pbuilder
[09:12] <crimsun> dpkg -i foo.deb [..] 
[09:12] <crimsun> that should fail
[09:12] <crimsun> then ``apt-get -f install''
[09:12] <crimsun> if that works, then you deb is fine
[09:12] <Hobbsee> ah right....
[09:13] <crimsun> your^
[09:14] <Hobbsee> crimsun: um, how do i copy the deb into the pbuilder?
[09:16] <crimsun> Hobbsee: from the host, use cp foo path
[09:16] <crimsun> Hobbsee: path is gleaned from pbuilder's messages
[09:16] <Hobbsee> ahhh...just found that
[09:16] <Hobbsee> i was looking to do it from pbuilder :P
[09:16] <crimsun> yeah, that won't work, since it's a chroot ;)
[09:17] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:17] <Hobbsee> crimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2527 - how am i supposed to go about removing that cvs directory?
[09:18] <Hobbsee> good, that wokred!
[09:20] <crimsun> Hobbsee: how are you generating the source package?
[09:20] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ cat revubuild
[09:20] <Hobbsee> #!/bin/bash
[09:20] <Hobbsee> dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k98B2D4F0
[09:20] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ^
[09:20] <Hobbsee> the .orig.tar.gz is straight from debian
[09:20] <crimsun> ok, let me pull it down
[09:24] <crimsun> Hobbsee: that's normally not a big issue
[09:25] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right....
[09:25] <Hobbsee> so leave it, or what?
[09:25] <crimsun> Hobbsee: it needs to be removed upstream, since dpkg-source will ignore deletions
[09:25] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ah, what do i do with a package that still needs the ubuntu changes, exactly as they are? 
[09:25] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, i emailed upstream asking them to remove it
[09:26] <crimsun> Hobbsee: sorry, what's the context of that question?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> crimsun: there were changes for another package in dapper, which still need to be done for edgy.
[09:26] <crimsun> Hobbsee: carry them over.
[09:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what does that get marked as then?  nochange?
[09:27] <crimsun> (i.e., "merge")
[09:27] <crimsun> Hobbsee: sorry, what are you marking, and where?
[09:27] <Hobbsee> oh right - so just rebuild a distro of edgy?
[09:27] <crimsun> is there a newer Debian revision or a newer upstream?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> no
[09:28] <crimsun> if neither of those, then just leave it
[09:28] <nixternal> g'nite all
[09:28] <crimsun> 'night nixternal 
[09:28] <Hobbsee> crimsun: gotcha
[09:29] <crimsun> there are probably some source packages in the archive that haven't been touched since Warty
[09:29] <Hobbsee> now, dh_iconcache stuff wihtout a separate kde.mk is automatically been done, so that's a sync...
[09:29] <crimsun> right, since we have a modified kde.mk (thanks!)
[09:30] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[09:32] <freeflying-g4> crimsun: pong
[09:36] <crimsun> freeflying-g4: hi
[09:37] <crimsun> freeflying-g4: was wondering if you guys have any plans for zhcon
[09:37] <crimsun> freeflying-g4: it's on my merge list
[09:37] <freeflying-g4> crimsun: the maintainer hasn't upload latest release yet
[09:38] <freeflying-g4> crimsun: but he tell me hwill upload soon, but still not ben uploaded
[09:38] <crimsun> freeflying-g4: is there an ETA on 0.2.5
[09:38] <crimsun> ?
[09:38] <freeflying-g4> s/ben/been
[09:38] <freeflying-g4> crimsun: latest is 0.2.6
[09:39] <crimsun> ah
[09:39] <crimsun> freeflying-g4: do you think we should wait on Debian, then sync, or shall we go ahead and put 0.2.6 in Edgy?
[09:40] <crimsun> I'm keen on the latter, but I do value minimising deltas with Debian, too
[09:41] <freeflying-g4> crimsun: I prefer to the later
[09:42] <crimsun> freeflying-g4: ok, I'll go ahead and merge 0.2.6 then. Thanks!
[09:42] <freeflying-g4> crimsun: great, thanks
[09:52] <Hobbsee> fun.  kdebase-dev is broken.
[12:05] <mvo> hello, can someone help me? does the kde screensaver has a similar thing as xscreensaver-command ? to send it stuff via the commandline (e.g. to activate to kill it)?
[12:06] <Hobbsee> bye all, recording calls.
[12:08] <sebas> mvo: dcop kdesktop
[12:08] <sebas> dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface quit for example
[12:10] <mvo> sebas: thanks!
[12:10] <sebas> You're welcome
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:14] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee
[03:14] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse and jpatrick :)
[04:09] <jjesse> does edgy kde start now?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i believe imbrandon_ said it did
[04:09] <Hobbsee> jjesse: however, sudo is broke.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> jjesse: enable the root account
[04:09] <Hobbsee> or dont upgrade visudo
[04:10] <jjesse> hmmm just did a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get distup gread
[04:10] <jjesse> dist-upgrade
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:15] <Hobbsee> jjesse:  Go into recovery mode and do dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/sudo_1.6.8p12-1ubuntu6_i386.deb && aptitude hold sudo && aptitude dist-upgrade (sudo should be held back(
[04:15] <Hobbsee> from #ubuntu+1
[04:15] <jjesse> Hobbsee: will do once i'm done upgradeing
[04:22] <jjesse> ooo now have kde starting on edgy virtual machine :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hwo well does it work?
[04:23] <jjesse> besides sudo problems seems to work well
[04:23] <jjesse> don't have much time to play with it yet, but will :)
[04:32] <Hobbsee> [00:32]  <Mithrandir> that's an early warning for everybody.  First milestone release in approximately two weeks.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> jjesse: there's a fix for sudo, but it FTBFS - the source is there though
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Good morning
[04:33] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech 
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Hello Hobbsee :-)
[04:37] <jjesse> monring DaSkreech
[04:37] <DaSkreech> hi jjesse
[04:45] <DaSkreech> @time swizterland
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:02] <uniq> riddell: out of sync with dapper? it's buildt on edgy.
[05:02] <jjesse> i think Riddell is on vacation?
[05:03] <uniq> oh.. ok, just replied to a away-log-entry.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> jjesse: he is, doing a talk at UKUUG
[05:04] <jjesse> ah
[05:05] <uniq> nevermind, i figured out what he was refering to.
[05:08] <nixternal> moins everyone
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[05:09] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[05:09] <jjesse> morning nixternal
[05:09] <nixternal> morning jjesse
[05:10] <nixternal> just got back from the gym, and a small job...what way to start a beautiful summer day off ;)
[05:10] <uniq> riddell: fixed. uploading new version as we speak. I'll send you a mail about it. to remind you.
[05:11] <DaSkreech> imbrandon_: Awake?
[05:16] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:17] <DaSkreech> bddebian: Hi
[05:20] <bddebian> Hi DaSkreech
[05:58] <Hobbsee> gnome is officially SCARY!
[06:06] <nixternal> lol
[06:07] <Hobbsee> and white on light grey is not a good contrast colour!
[06:07] <nixternal> either is human ;)
[06:07] <nixternal> although, the colors have kind of grown on me
[06:08] <Hobbsee> kde usually has far more stuff - at least on hoary.
[06:08] <nixternal> no they are there...just hidden very well
[06:08] <Hobbsee> urgh
[06:08] <nixternal> there is a lot of stuff that does't get thrown into menus i have noticed
[06:08] <Hobbsee> true
[06:08] <nixternal> but for smoothness and cleaness...gnome isn't all that bad...
[06:09] <Hobbsee> true
[06:09] <nixternal> who am i kidding..it isn't all that good ;)
[06:09] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:30] <DaSkreech> What would make a process unkillable
[06:33] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, sudo kill -9 <pid> , nothing is unkillable
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Doesn't kill it
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Still sits there taking up 100% of the CPU
[06:34] <imbrandon> sudo kill dosent kill it ? are you on linux ?
[06:35] <imbrandon> kill -9 dosent not kill something it kills it without question
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Thats what I thought
[06:35] <DaSkreech> :-(
[06:35] <imbrandon> no it does, no thinking
[06:35] <imbrandon> if it dosent something is MAJORLY wrong
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Ah well when It happens again I'll try it again and see
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Well yeah
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Did it again
[06:47] <jjesse> can i ask a really silly question?  how do i change the time from the console?  like i said really silly question
[06:48] <bddebian> date <date> <time>
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Yeah that catches me too. Shouldnt it be time?
[06:49] <bddebian> You would think :)
[06:49] <nixternal> # sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com    <- quick, easy and accurate jjesse for setting date and time
[06:49] <jjesse> thats what it is for dos :)
[06:50] <nixternal> Ubuntu needs ntpdate, as it can't hold time worth a #$#@#
[06:51] <DaSkreech> I thought that your computer can't hold the time the System just reads the hardware time with an offset anyway
[06:52] <nixternal> well..the offset is way off then :)  i haven't noticed the time being so far off....
[06:52] <nixternal> nevermind...now i know why...dont' have ntpdate cron'd
[06:52] <jjesse> marked bug # 14883 as rejected due to original requestor not responding since may of 2005
[06:52] <jjesse> bug #14883
[06:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14883 in kdebase "KInfocenter crashes with a SIGSEGV when trying the OpenGL menu item" [Low,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/14883
[06:55] <jjesse> bug #16469 is flagged as fix commited could someone check (or help me check) if the fix was indeed committed so we can change it to fix released?
[06:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 16469 in kdebase "konqueror crashes when accessing streams on spiegel.de" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/16469
[06:56] <jjesse> it appears that upgrading to edyg has completely broken sudo :(
[06:56] <imbrandon> jjesse, known issuse, cpio is broke too, they are working on it
[06:56] <imbrandon> [11:20]  <mdz> kernel upgrade + sudo downgrade
[06:56] <imbrandon> [11:21]  <infinity> But the new sudo was so much FUN.
[06:56] <imbrandon> [11:21]  <infinity> Like a distro team video game.
[06:56] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:57] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:57] <imbrandon> sudo will be fixed and .17 will be released eta 1hour afaik
[07:00] <jjesse> so how woould i upgrade if sudo is broken? enable root?
[07:00] <imbrandon> enable root upgrade , disable root 
[07:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:01] <jjesse> restore vm snapshot and upgrade is just as easy :0
[07:01] <imbrandon> right
[07:52] <Tonio_> hey
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Is there a cups Chan?
[07:53] <imbrandon> heya Tonio_
[07:53] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, dunno
[07:54] <DaSkreech> My Workmates flipped at the ipod
[07:54] <imbrandon> jjesse, cpio and sudo are updated if you dident know
[07:54] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, my ipod ?
[07:54] <imbrandon> heh
[07:54] <jjesse> saw that
[08:11] <jjesse> ooooo Knot CD 1 released July 13 :)
[08:16] <DaSkreech> Knot?
[08:16] <DaSkreech> SlipKnot?
[08:18] <jjesse> for edgy, the cds will be called Knots
[08:18] <jjesse> according to the schedule
[08:19] <DaSkreech> Like Flights?
[08:20] <jjesse> yeah for Dapper they were Flights for edgy it appears they will be Knots
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Were they Flights for Breezy as well?
[08:21] <jjesse> DaSkreech: i don't remember
[08:23] <crimsun> cool, the Kubuntu Ship-It CDs arrived :)
[08:23] <jjesse> mine still haven't shipped where do you live crimsun
[08:23] <crimsun> jjesse: east coast USA (shipped from The Netherlands)
[08:24] <jjesse> still waiting for mine, i'm in michigan
[08:24] <jjesse> so hopefully soon
[08:25] <crimsun> DaSkreech: no, they were "Colony" in Breezy
[08:25] <DaSkreech> Ahh good memory
[08:25] <crimsun> "Array" in Hoary
[08:25] <DaSkreech> I have a Wallpaper with A Badger in flight which is why I remember it being flight. Course that was probably because the badger was breezy
[08:26] <hunger> I am looking forward to whatever crow or raven;-)
[08:27] <DaSkreech> Warty? :-)
[08:27] <nixternal> jjesse: i didn't get mine either..remember i told you i received some...ya..they were Breezy cd's ;(
[09:00] <DaSkreech> Did it again
[09:04] <DaSkreech> I like BOR :-(
[09:04] <DaSkreech> It just runs unreliably :-(
[09:31] <mhb> hello everyone
[09:32] <mhb> I would like to ask if there is some work going on which would allow the KDE session to shut down when run from gdm and vice versa ...
[09:34] <uniq> not that i'm aware of.
[09:34] <uniq> freedesktop.org maybe.
[09:37] <jjesse> hmmm how would you work with this bug? bug #18602
[09:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 18602 in meta-kde "KDEInit could not launch 'xterm'. " [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/18602
[09:43] <mhb> uniq: it's not much of an issue yet?
[09:43] <uniq> I think there are other issues with higher priority at this time.
[09:44] <uniq> jjesse: i think that is when you first make a shortcut for a kde application, and then afterwards change it to a non-kde application.
[09:46] <uniq> what he did is he copied the konsole launcher, and changed it to xterm.
[09:46] <jjesse> so can the bug be clsoed?
[09:46] <uniq> As i've written in the comment to the bug, I think it's how KDE works.
[09:47] <jjesse> so reject the bu?
[09:47] <jjesse> bug
[09:47] <uniq> Not sure.
[09:47] <uniq> It has to do with usability though.
[09:49] <uniq> You know if you go to the panel menu, and select 'add application to panel' or something like that.. you get the menu.. and the option to 'Add non-KDE application'
[09:49] <uniq> that's what I think he should have done.
[09:49] <jjesse> ah
[09:49] <jjesse> i understand
[09:50] <uniq> I used to have the same problem when i first started to use KDE. as I came from blackbox/openbox, and used Aterm.
[09:56] <DaSkreech> Why was OpenOffice changed?
[10:00] <uniq> is it changed? 
[10:01] <DaSkreech> Yes
[10:01] <DaSkreech> I only notice cause I use katapult
[10:01] <uniq> how changed? 
[10:01] <uniq> from oo2 to oo? 
[10:02] <uniq> renamed? 
[10:02] <DaSkreech> No From Writer to Word Processor
[10:02] <DaSkreech> And Calc to Spreadsheet
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Base to Database
[10:02] <jjesse> that happened in dapper
[10:02] <DaSkreech> and from  that thing to Presentation
[10:02] <DaSkreech> On the day dapper shipped?
[10:03] <DaSkreech> Cause it was Writer and Calc up to the week before
[10:07] <uniq> I didn't even notice, says something about how often i use those beasts.
[10:08] <DaSkreech> I just notice kause katapult forces me to type the name
[10:09] <uniq> heh.. can't you use binaryname in katapult? 
[10:09] <uniq> oocalc or something.
[10:09] <uniq> typing 'OpenOffice Word Processor' to open oowriter is clumsy.
[10:10] <jjesse> just type whateveris in the K Menu
[10:10] <DaSkreech> uniq: That's why I just type wri
[10:11] <uniq> I've never used katapult much. tested it twice but still stuck with the good old run command box.
[10:12] <DaSkreech> uniq: It's much cooler
[10:12] <DaSkreech> I can open any song or folder instantly
[10:12] <DaSkreech> It's great
[10:13] <uniq> hum.
[10:14] <uniq> it can open a bunch of stuff you don't want to, can't it? 
[10:14] <uniq> does it open the last matching file/folder if it's the only alternative left? 
[10:14] <DaSkreech> Huh?
[10:14] <DaSkreech> Not until you press enter If I understand you
[10:14] <uniq> hum.. ok.
[10:16] <uniq> I think I had some issues with it once. Randomly opening bookmarks.. 
[10:16] <uniq> it opens without enter.
[10:16] <DaSkreech> Erm. I guess you can set it to do that if you want
[10:18] <uniq> how do i configure it? 
[10:18] <uniq> it's dcop interface can't open the configure dialog.
[10:18] <DaSkreech> Alt+Enter
[10:18] <uniq> and there is no icon anywhere.
[10:18] <DaSkreech> Then Ctrl+C
[10:18] <DaSkreech> It's an easter egg!! :)
[10:18] <uniq> ah.. thanks.
[10:19] <uniq> ok, it is kinda cool.
[10:20] <uniq> i doesn't open urls though.
[10:20] <DaSkreech> I think it used to
[10:20] <DaSkreech> There is probably a plugin for it
[10:20] <DaSkreech> That would be neat I think I tried it once in dapper and it didn't work and I was surprised
[10:22] <uniq> It's not replacing my run command box until it can open urls. :)
[10:22] <uniq> But that can't be hard to implement.
[10:23] <DaSkreech> Nope
[10:23] <DaSkreech> #katapult ;)
[11:20] <imbrandon> Riddell, where in k-d-s does it set the default window decorations ( or is it set elsewhere ? )
[11:25] <imbrandon> nm