[01:39] <viper550> I'm trying to get Gimmie included with Edgy
[01:49] <troy_s> Gimmie?
[01:49] <jsgotangco> wow that's pretty radical for edgy even
[01:49] <troy_s> wtf is gimmie?
[01:51] <jsgotangco> http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:dVqv2BZzXpoJ:www.beatniksoftware.com/gimmie/+gimmie&hl=tl&gl=ph&ct=clnk&cd=2
[01:51] <jsgotangco> (the original site exceeded its bandwidth)
[01:52] <jsgotangco> http://beatnik.infogami.com/Gimmie
[02:15] <Who_> Isn't the developer of that out of work at the moment?
[02:16] <Who_> some full time employment with canonical could bring Gimmie along fast, and bring Ubuntu some more really original code :P
[02:17] <jsgotangco> i dont see it giving great value to the distro so much as compared to something like smart that would warrant funding for development
[02:18] <Who_> true
[02:19] <Who_> It is written in Python though, so it's got a good chance :P
[02:19] <Who_> Anyone using it?
[02:19] <jsgotangco> ive only used it once
[02:20] <Who_> and...?
[02:20] <jsgotangco> its nice for sure
[02:20] <Who_> I think I'll have to leave trying it for another night. Bed is calling me (with oh, such a sweet voice)
[02:20] <Who_> bye all,
[02:20] <jsgotangco> but then no one made spec for including it
[02:21] <Who_> is it too late?
[03:17] <troy_s> what is smart?
[03:21] <jsgotangco> http://labix.org/smart
[03:21] <jsgotangco> canonical has been funding development of smart since last year
[05:13] <troy_s> who lives?
[05:27] <troy_s> so what happened with smart?
[05:27] <troy_s> it wasn't on the spec agenda at the summit was it?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> yes it was
[05:28] <troy_s> really?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> well mvo is pretty heavily involved with smart
[05:28] <troy_s> who is mvo?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> michael vogt
[05:29] <troy_s> ah
[05:29] <troy_s> he's the apt fellow, no?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> yep we also did gnome-app-install along with sebastian heinlein
[05:29] <troy_s> ah
[05:30] <troy_s> do you know much about the gdm logon transparency technique?
[05:31] <jsgotangco> hmm no sorry
[05:31] <jsgotangco> :/
[05:31] <troy_s> crappers
[11:07] <lapo> hi
[11:33] <waky> hello
[01:48] <klepas> moinmoin
[02:16] <klepas> bersace: ping
[02:16] <bersace> hello
[02:16] <klepas> bersace|code: how has the wiki been going?
[02:16] <bersace|code> nothing
[02:17] <bersace|code> i'm working hard on gnome-scan
[02:17] <bersace|code> so ubuntu-art is quite paused for me
[02:17] <klepas> fair enough
[02:17] <bersace|code> see CategoryArtwork to see what is migrated to the new tree
[02:17] <klepas> i'm getting some time as of tomorrow evening
[02:18] <klepas> i'd be happy to continue from where-ever you left off :)
[02:18] <klepas> thanks
[02:19] <bersace|code> klepas: i did a lot of review in Archives
[02:19] <bersace|code> you may want to do some review for Kubunut 5.10, 6.06 LTS and Edubuntu 6.06
[02:20] <bersace|code> i can sent you the tools i use to make screenshots and icons preview
[02:26] <klepas> i'll stick to redoing text at the moment
[02:33] <bersace|code> klepas: there are some indication to write in some pages such as Artwork/Specs, Artwork/Archives and Artwork/Incomings to help people
[02:33] <klepas> sure
[03:47] <troy_s> the message at art.ubuntu.com is a bit colloquial.
[03:48] <klepas> troy_s: it doesn't have to be formal does it?
[03:48] <kwwii> troy_s: who wrote that?
[03:48] <kwwii> it sounds like an official "we don't want you"
[03:48] <klepas> i did
[03:48] <klepas> =S
[03:48] <kwwii> hehe
[03:48] <kwwii> a bit too formal, I think
[03:49] <kwwii> the intent is good, but the wording could be lighter
[03:49] <klepas> do we really need to change it..? =\
[03:49] <kwwii> anyway...gotta pick up my kid form guitar class
[03:49] <kwwii> bbl
[03:50] <troy_s> there is a difference between colloquialisms, friendliness, etc.
[03:50] <klepas> well art.ubuntu.com is visited by many, many people
[03:51] <troy_s> correction:  it is much better than it wasy
[03:51] <klepas> i think some formality for a formal site could do
[03:51] <troy_s> yep
[03:51] <troy_s> i agree 100%, you did a great job.
[03:51] <troy_s> just re-read it.
[03:51] <klepas> good-o
[03:51] <troy_s> it was a little 'loose' initially, now it looks very top notch.
[03:51] <troy_s> nice work
[03:52] <troy_s> only thing i can think of is perhaps provide a means for folks to get involved
[03:52] <troy_s> as in the wiki starting point or something.
[08:01] <mhb> I am sorry for such a lame question, but does the Ubuntu artwork team create some art for Kubuntu as well? Or what team does that?
[08:01] <kwwii> yepp, we doo
[08:01] <kwwii> in fact, I do
[08:02] <mhb> that's great :o)
[08:02] <kwwii> mhb: until now they are totally seperate (and the artwork itself will not be the same) but we want to try and make the artwork in a bigger group for this release
[08:03] <kwwii> I did pretty much everything by myself for dapper
[08:03] <kwwii> there is also xubuntu, they need artwork too
[08:03] <mhb> kwwii: really? Well then I have to thank you for all the great work
[08:05] <mhb> kwwii: where do the Kubuntu artwork discussions take place?
[08:06] <kwwii> here, and on the mailing list
[08:06] <mhb> kwwii: I started to read the Ubuntu artwork ML a few days ago and it's almost 100% Ubuntu discussions
[08:06] <kwwii> yepp, because until now, I am the only kubuntu artist
[08:07] <kwwii> no need for me to discuss thing with myself :-)
[08:08] <mhb> kwwii: OK, thank you very much :o) If I have some ideas about the Kubuntu artwork I'll post them to the Ubuntu-artwork ML, then.
[08:08] <kwwii> my email address is wimer at kde dot org , if you'd like to discuss anything privately as well
[08:08] <kwwii> but the ML is the best place for general discussion
[08:11] <mhb> kwwii: Sorry for bothering you but I have one more question - is there a website with a basic design roadmap for Kubuntu Edgy? I'd love to RTFM about Kubuntu artwork a bit...
[08:13] <kwwii> hehe
[08:13] <kwwii> mhb: not really...I jsut kinda did what I wanted :p
[08:14] <kwwii> mnb: basically, it has to fit to the other graphics that are already in kde
[08:14] <kwwii> I take care of the kde artwork as well (and I am on the oxygen icon team)
[08:14] <kwwii> seen oxygen yet?
[08:14] <kwwii> oxygen-icons.org (also in kde svn)
[08:14] <mhb> kwwii: only some previews on their pages ...
[08:15] <kwwii> that is pretty much the future of kde graphics
[08:15] <kwwii> of course, for kubuntu we want to make artwork that fits to kde, but also kinda fits with ubuntu and the other *buntus
[08:15] <mhb> kwwii: do you think Oxygen icon set will make it into Edgy?
[08:15] <kwwii> so that when you see an ubuntu and a kubuntu next to each other you know that they are related
[08:16] <kwwii> mhb: not too sure about that
[08:16] <kwwii> since we only have 4 months
[08:16] <kwwii> I do have a spec on launchpad which says we want to use them, but I am not sure if we will get it done in time
[08:16] <kwwii> and oxygen is really for kde4 anyway
[08:17] <kwwii> mhb: feel free to bother me as much as you like :-) it is great to find someone who wants to work on kubuntu artwork!
[08:17] <kwwii> you are from the czech republic?
[08:17] <mhb> kwwii: yes
[08:18] <kwwii> I live about an hour from the czech border (in germany)
[08:19] <kwwii> anyway...don't hesitate to ask any questions, and know that we'd love your help
[08:19] <kwwii> I was appointed "artist in chief" for kubuntu, now I need some artists to be the chief of :p
[09:15] <newz2000> I have some thoughts about improving the human gtk theme, but don't know where to put them. Should that go on launchpad, and if so, what is the correct way to do that?
[09:16] <kwwii> post any ideas to the ml, but note that we are not really in that phase yet
[09:16] <kwwii> if the idea is a technical consideration, go right ahead
[09:16] <newz2000> ok. Isn't the gtk theme a todo for edgy?
[09:17] <kwwii> yes, it is...but if you look at the wiki you'll see the plan for edgy
[09:17] <kwwii> anyway...go ahead and post it to the ML
[09:17] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan
[09:17] <kwwii> we are trying to work in an organized fashion this time :p
[09:17] <newz2000> ok. Do you forsee there soon being some "here's how to use launchpad" for the art-team documentation?
[09:18] <kwwii> hehe, I wish
[09:18] <kwwii> launchpad is confusing even to me
[09:18] <newz2000> kwwii: are you one of the people keeping the wiki updated?
[09:19] <kwwii> actually, that would be bersace|code, niel or pascal
[09:19] <newz2000> ah, ok.
[10:21] <kwwii> I am drawing butterfly for printing on posters and I HATE IT!!!!
[11:47] <Chewie> Hi
[11:47] <Chewie> I got a legal question. The Ubuntu Logo is subject to trademark policy (http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/). However, it's included in the package "ubuntu-artwork", whose copyright says its contents are licensed under Creative Commons. Is this an incoherence or am I missing something?