=== mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-178-53.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === mpt__ [n=mpt@203-173-178-53.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:24] hi LaserJock === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kalosaurusrex [n=aaron@lnxvcdaja1.vcd.hp.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:42] hi theCore [01:43] LaserJock: how was the Summit? [01:43] good [01:43] lots of work, little sleep [01:43] did they talks about the docs? [01:43] a blast [01:44] no [01:44] not really [01:44] so it was coding intensive? [01:44] yep [01:44] that's sweet [01:44] jsgotangco and I were the only doc people and there weren't really any doc specs [01:45] mm?? [01:45] oh yeah [01:45] jsgotangco: are you talking care of that .pot for ESA? [01:45] hmm i haven't been on to it yet [01:45] if you have time to do it, i appreciate it [01:45] I can't remember if you were doing it or if it was it [01:45] bah, s/it/me/ [01:46] well, I think I have a .pot on my computer, I just wanted to make sure it was done right [01:46] LaserJock: did you learned some french words? [01:46] ;) [01:46] theCore: not really [01:47] :'( [01:47] c'est magnifique la tour eiffel! [01:47] ha! [01:47] heh, it was nice [01:47] bien accord en plus. :) [01:49] LaserJock: did they resolve the internals conficts about Xgl? [01:50] there really wasn't that much coding involved...thats reserved for the distro sprint [01:51] I mean between developers [01:51] I didn't hear anything about Xgl [01:52] Xgl is gone mainstream now, peoples will looks for it [01:52] bah, I was hoping we could take it out of the archives [01:52] oh well [01:52] hehe [01:53] it'll probably be in the archives but not installed by default [01:55] that's ok, as long peoples can install it without to much trouble, the best would to the simplify that to `apt-get install xserver-xgl' [01:55] anyway, it's going offtopic [01:55] no more Xgl talk for me, more doc talk ;) [01:56] well, I guess people should be able to do what they want, but I'm not going to deal with Xgl bugs [01:56] I've already got a few [01:59] LaserJock: did you restarted working actively on the Packaging Guide? [01:59] not really [01:59] I've got a bad cold [02:00] and I'm trying to figure out how to divide up my Ubuntu time between all my projects [02:01] I'm happy to help out with the packaging guide. [02:01] on my side, I try to find a way to procrastinate less [02:08] it's not really a problem after all, I just love reading tech articles, but I wish I could do something useful with my time ... [02:09] well, I'm going to just encourage people to send patches [02:10] did you get to talk to iwj about the developer resource thing? [02:10] I didn't [02:10] doh [02:10] you chickened out? [02:10] yep [02:10] doh [02:10] tbh, he is a bit scary in person ;-) [02:11] huh? === jsgotangco didnt find it that way [02:11] aggressive yes, but not scary [02:11] well, he's pretty intense and incredibly good [02:11] he's passionate for sure [02:11] yeah [02:12] not scary in a bad way so much [02:12] intense is a good word [02:12] but I really didn't have much of a chance to ask him and I didn't push it [02:13] and you had time to play mao with him heh [02:14] yeah, but I didn't feel like a point of order to ask him about it ;-) [02:15] mostly, I haven't had a chance to look at it in depth so I didn't really know what I'd ask him about it [02:15] the only thing I'm worried about it maintianing it as a patch to the Debian package === jenda [n=jenda@195.47.80.185.adsl.nextra.cz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@195.47.80.185.adsl.nextra.cz] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Find] === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:27] LaserJock: how big is the delta from iwj's draft to that of upstream if there is any? [02:29] hmm, well so far he has done the intro [02:31] and a diff of the plain text version is 27k [02:35] I'm wondering if it would be better to fork rather than keep up a patch, especially since it will replace the Debian version [02:39] hmmmm [02:39] does make some sense though [02:39] while the diff isnt that big yet [02:42] yeah, I'm just afraid the diff is going to get huge when I start getting into the meat of it [02:44] just a thought would it be more relevant to update the packaging guide early into edgy so that new people might want to refer to it? [02:45] just change the stuff from dapper to edgy for example [02:47] yeah, although it really hasn't changed [02:47] yeah [02:47] I tried to write it so it would be relevent during the edgy cycle [02:48] but there will probably be some changes soon [02:52] is it possible to create a pbuilder for edgy now? [02:52] yes, both from within dapper and from within edgy [02:53] though I wouldn't update to edgy's sudo atm [02:53] it takes a bit more finagling from within dapper [02:53] ahhh [02:56] are you creating an edgy pbuilder within dapper? [02:57] well trying to at the moment [02:58] or should i just create a dapper one then update it? [02:58] the latter [02:58] this way: [02:58] http://pastebin.ca/74443 [02:58] cp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh ~ [02:58] then apply the diff [02:59] sorry, use http://pastebin.ca/74444 [02:59] that's more correct semantically ;) [03:07] ok === mdke_ [n=matt@unaffiliated/matt/x-000000001] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco starts upgrading his pbuilder to edgy [03:51] err [03:51] did you use the diff I gave you? [03:51] http://pastebin.ca/74444, that is [03:51] if so, you already have an edgy pbuilder [03:52] presuming you named it pbuilder-edgy.sh, that is [03:54] doh! i forgot === jsgotangco was looking into the packaging guide [03:58] well, it won't hurt either way :) === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-178-53.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/matt/x-000000001] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal hits the wiki - takin' care of CatCleanup - you have certain pages you want attacked now's the time to tell me!!! === robotgeek joins nixternal [04:51] where you attacking from? [04:51] i hitting all the little guys right now [04:51] the quick 5 minute ones...trying to knock down the fire a little bit [04:51] nixternal: not sure, you just inspired me :) [04:52] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AdvancedCommandlineHowto <- useless [04:56] i guess its better to link to bash scripting guide [04:58] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandlineHowto is also useless [04:58] they all are ;) [04:58] im doing americas army one now [04:58] im dl'n and installing too ;) === robotgeek is getting rid of nomachinenx [05:00] hmm, i cant delete pages? [05:00] ya..mdke hasn't added all of us..only certain ones i guess [05:01] i believe him and madpilot have the powah [05:01] kk, cool. ill just make a list of pages to delete! [05:01] would be nice to make a CategoryRemove or CategoryDelete [05:02] yup [05:07] hmm...in gnome...if you want to run an application...is it Gnome Menu > Run Application ?? [05:12] yes [05:13] alt + f2 also works [05:15] ty [05:15] same with kde then [05:16] i didn't feel like starting up my vmware..but i might have to if i want to knock some of these out quickly === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:19] i'm knocking the top20 first [05:22] americas army is done [05:23] i will start from #21 then [05:25] is there a standard for text editor? i keep seing sudo gedit..but that won't work for kde and xfce...and doing a kedit, gedit, whateveredit...how about pick something like nano, vim or the like [05:25] $EDITOR ;) [05:26] there is an InstallingSoftware page [05:26] there could be a TextEditor page that is similar? [05:26] Edit file X (to learn how, see TextEditor) [05:26] perhaps they could be replaced with some little Javascript blocks [05:26] a newbie won't udnerstand $EDITOR [05:26] so you see "(Help for Ubuntu Kubuntu Xubuntu)" next to it [05:27] hmm..not a bad idea Plug_ [05:27] and clicking each pops up a little "the text editor for Ubuntu is gedit, access XXX etc" [05:27] implemented as a template somewhere, that could be quite cool [05:27] like those stupid rollover links that popup advertisement on some pages...have one for the word editor or something like that [05:28] however..if the UWN asks for an editor of the human variety..it will place that link there...which becomes annoying [05:28] as a matter of fact..my idea was bad..because i just realised how much i hate those links ;) [05:29] Not quite what I had in mind... [05:29] hehe [05:29] how do you implament javascript into the wiki? [05:32] I'm not sure if you can [05:39] mdke: yea, yea, i know, i was asked to send a test email but didn't realize that email address had already been whitelisted :-/, i got some amusing responses though :) [05:41] what happened? [05:42] test [05:42] haha === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:08] can we create new pages on h.u.c ? [06:08] yes === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:09] if they belong in CategoryDocumentation though [06:09] if they aren't a CategoryDocumentation..i believe they go to w.u.c [06:09] essentially DeletionCandidates [06:09] ahh..i would put it on the old wiki for now [06:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeletionCandidates [06:10] that would work [06:10] that way there you can save yourself the trouble of having to add tags for w.u.c and h.u.c as you come across removal requests for both [06:10] on w.u.c if the page is at the h.u.c it will forward automaticall [06:11] ah, forgot that. i was just copying the urls [06:11] hehe [06:15] jsgotangco: i got dozens of emails back with a *wide* range of "success it worked" types of messages, i am still getting them, hehe [06:16] thankfully no one seemed to mind [06:18] what would be a good way to modify the switching from windows article to Kubuntu [06:21] robotgeek: that is a jjesse item...and it hasn't been confirmed nor denied yet [06:22] i'll get started on it then, i'm sure he wont mind [06:25] actually, might wait for some more time. looks like amm i am doing i :%s/Ubuntu/Kubuntu [06:25] well...himself and mdke hasn't yet decided on the layout, the format, and the purpose yet [06:25] hehe ya [06:25] that is all going to get seperated eventually i think..as it might go from wiki to docbooks [06:25] actually..it is..docbooks and from there to h.u.c and lulu more then likely [06:26] i'll help when it gets into xml, my vim is setup with keys to do it automagically. [06:26] f6 replaces ubuntu with Kubuntu and so on :) [06:27] nice [06:28] alrite, time to hit the sack then. might tackle the wireless pages tommorow [06:29] ooh have fun on those [06:33] nixternal, regarding CatDoc on h.u.c/c - I've been removing stuff from CatDoc, because *everything* on that wiki should be in CatDoc - it's no longer a useful category [06:33] Madpilot: can you also process w.u.c/DeletionCandidates [06:34] I'll have a look, sure [06:34] wo0t [06:34] can you search/replace the term out? [06:34] (CatDoc) [06:34] ahhh Madpilot..i see....so everything is catdoc..so no need for it [06:34] got it!!! [06:35] nixternal, yeah - feel free to suggest more useful Categories for h.u.c/c - [06:35] I just got CategoryGames working again, btw [06:35] ahh [06:35] CategoryWifi [06:35] CategoryNixternal ;) [06:36] that is actually a great idea with the categories [06:36] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryCategory <-- useful, despite the silly name :) [06:37] CatWifi or CatWireless makes sense to me [06:37] CatNet [06:37] and so on...i like it [06:38] CategoryKubuntu | CategoryUbuntu | CategoryFreePopCorn [06:38] i brainfarted on the last one [06:38] heh [06:38] CatKubuntu & CatXubuntu make sense; CatUbuntu would basically be the default, so I"m not sure if it actually needs to exist... === robotgeek is going to try and merge https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx ; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/AirportExtreme [06:39] #26 - BulgarianDocumentation/restricted formats dapper [06:39] wow [06:39] Madpilot: what was the spec on HowTo pages...was it a rename to remove the howto portion, leaving behind a redirect? [06:39] spec == policy [06:40] nixternal, I think that's the consensus right now [06:40] ok [06:40] ty === dsas [n=dean@host217-42-227-17.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:45] hi dsas & robitaille [06:46] Good evening Madpilot [06:46] hiya robitaille [06:46] sup [06:46] Good morning Madpilot and all. [06:46] hiya dsas === jojopaderes [n=jojo@203.177.177.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:47] And hello nixternal [06:47] http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/photos/UDS-Paris/P6180023.JPG.html [06:47] jsgotangco, cool pic [06:47] www.buntudot.org <-- i updated all the links to photos today..including your jsgotangco [06:47] yeha heh [06:48] nixternal: you own that domain? [06:48] nope..imbrandon does [06:48] the group photo doesn't have LaserJock and highvoltage either [06:48] why buntu. and not ubuntu. ? [06:49] trademark issue maybe :) [06:49] I have to say that I generally really impressed by buntudot.org [06:51] i have no idea..i think because he was trying to hit all of the *buntu's w/ one name [06:52] heh nice wordplay though [06:52] {,x,k}ubuntu ;) [07:08] nixternal: AutomaticSecurityUpdates has "breezy-security" inside the script text, so it needs genericsing somehow. [07:08] cat /etc/issue [07:08] ahhh [07:08] ok [07:08] oops, wrong window :/ === robitaille_ [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:14] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx is slightly better [07:17] i'll fix both the documents, and see if i can merge anything from the AirportExtreme page into the Breezy page === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-178-53.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:40] actually, done right now :) [07:42] which leads me to a bigger problem, we need to make sure that /device redirects to driver and correctly [07:44] anyways, more on that later! [07:54] dammit... is there any way to stop the old wiki from redirecting me? I'm trying to restore some stuff that was moved, and the &^%#@!@# redirects are driving me nuts... [07:55] you can turn off meta-refreshes in some browsers some how. [07:56] gah, yes - Opera has that feature... I'd just forgotten it. Thanks. [07:58] The other way is to append ?action=edit to the end of the url when typing it in. [08:00] right. Adding #show doesn't actually interupt the damn redirect, which it really should do === mpt__ [n=mpt@203-173-178-53.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.159.11.164.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jojopaderes [n=jojo@203.177.210.4] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-65-46.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:27] whatever i do, or follow, i still don't seem to get packaging correctly despite the ease of tools available [08:28] heh [08:29] the packing guide is ok, but its already out of date and a little inaccurate in places [08:29] yep === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-178-53.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/ [08:31] start there :0 [08:31] :) [08:31] those inaccuracies need to be addressed to Jordan [08:33] following it to the letter has gotten me smashed on revu [08:37] robotgeek: ping! [08:38] rob: "smashed"? [08:38] Madpilot: ping! [08:38] pong? [08:38] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2519 [08:38] ahh..where did robotgeek put that delete stuff? [08:38] which delete stuff? === tonyyarusso 's eyes roll back and forth watching the match [08:39] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Checksum <- grabbed from wikipedia [08:39] that could be added to a CategoryDelete type of deal [08:40] ive seen worse revus than that [08:40] CategoryReview <- use this for us little guys that aren't 100% sure what to do with a page..if we don't know if it is safe to remove or not...that way there you head honcho types can review those..just an idea [08:40] rob: right, the guide isn't designed to be comprehensive, just an intro. [08:41] * compat: you should use a compatibility level of 5. <- pretty sure thats not in the guide [08:41] rob: however, I'm sure Jordan welcomes constructively critical input. [08:41] yeah [08:41] rob: because you don't /have/ to. [08:41] oh, I'm not having a go at the guide or Jordan [08:41] rob: you can use any dh_compat version you want provided you use the appropriate Standards-Version [08:42] rob: 5 just happens be "best practice" for that particular commenter [08:42] don't get me wrong, just pointing out the guide is only an intro, you need to also do a bit of reading of the wiki to get the full story [08:42] of course [08:42] rob: the full story lies in the Debian Policy manual. [08:42] /everything/ you need is in there :) [08:43] the guide is ok, just not totally accurate and a bit confusing to new-comers to debian/ubuntu packaging [08:43] Policy also tends to be far more strict than Ubuntu is [08:43] I'm sure it is [08:44] i coould have just tied up iwj in a room and pick his brains heh [08:46] keep in mind that we also tend to be more strict about /new/ packages entering Ubuntu than packages that are already in Debian [08:46] anyhow, input into the reworked PG is certainly welcome [08:47] it could certainly help to have some sections segue properly though === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:48] I believe Jordan has expressed interest in rewriting it completely. [08:48] as someone new to Ubuntu packaging just following the guide I just found myself wanting after reading the guide, it was an ok introduction but from the point of view of someone who just read though it recently it needs "something" [08:49] rob: that something, imo, is the Debian New Maintainer's Guide. [08:49] maybe, but there is a real lack of references to it [08:49] right, it's only mentioned in a cursory manner and in the Appendix. [08:49] the trick is to ease someone into packaging [08:50] im not sure the hello.tgz sample is a good idea to use as well [08:50] yeah, I understand its a fine line to tread :) [08:50] jsgotangco: I think it's satisfactory to a novice packager. [08:50] it's a pretty big leap to go from that to mplayer, though [08:51] took me a while to figure out joe from source [08:51] well, that's one of the problems that will become even more evident as the PG is revised/rewritten [08:52] to be a packager, one has to have a decent grasp of the source code involved [08:52] yeah [08:53] how does one draft a guide in a technical manner without alienating people who haven't either much source code or packaging experience? [08:54] (rhetorical question, there, but one that's apropos) [08:54] i guess it should start with more caveats than just saying CLI experience =) [08:55] ultimately it would be very cool to have a gui that guides one through it [08:56] in the meantime, now is an /excellent/ time to get involved in packaging [08:57] (the merge cycle at the beginning of each dev cycle) [08:57] usually now is when all the interesting questions appear [08:57] I've been meaning to learn how to do that - don't know why, just seems like it would be a good skill. [08:58] yes it is [09:03] Madpilot: add ?action=show to the page name [09:03] s/page name/url [09:04] mdke, ah, thanks - couldn't remember the syntax [09:04] oh no, actually I seem to remember that not working either [09:04] or was it DeletePage that doesn't work... [09:07] nixternal: the software installation prog is 'synaptic', not 'synaptics' [09:07] (you should also probably link InstallingSoftware instead) [09:07] oh no..i added an "s" again [09:07] arg [09:07] i am bad with that...since i use apt-get === nixternal removes his s key [09:07] ynaptic [09:07] don't mention either, and just say "for info see InstallingSoftware" :) [09:08] synaptic == apt front end...synaptics == laptop mousey [09:09] I am tidying up lots of things that say "install X" and then all either go on about how to do install using one of three tools, or link to InstallingSoftware [09:09] see..i know the "INstallingSoftware" keeps the wording down, therefore making the page smaller...however, i find it annoying to have to switch back and forth between pages to get one task done...just my 2 cents though [09:09] it would be good to have a question-mark-icon to link, or some such [09:09] that implies "If you dont know how to do this, click this page" [09:10] i like that idea now [09:10] without having to implicitly mention InstallingSoftware, Repositories etc [09:10] speaking of icons...i need to use some [09:12] tbh, I think that pages about installing hula and cando etc should assume knowledge of editing sources.list, more so than "how to get MP3 playback" [09:12] Plug_: i have to agree with you 100% actually, even though i am not sold on the idea all the way..but it is uniform..and it looks good among the pages... [09:12] now..can you make a link open in a new tab/window in the wiki...like with [09:12] so that way, sending a user away from the page, doesn't totally sling them out of the page...but opens a reference in a new window? [09:12] true [09:12] as some new user won't be doing either [09:12] nixternal: you shouldn't need to switch back and forward, you only need to learn how to install packages once... eventually you get the hang of it [09:13] but then again, you never know [09:13] and no, we don't open links in new windows [09:13] mdke, that works for many, but not all ;) [09:13] well, that is why the page is there [09:14] you can click on the link if you need to, and otherwise, ignore it [09:14] how about in the introduction to the page...let the reader know, hey this is an easy task or this is a hard task, if you don't know how to install software read this, if you don't know how to add sources do this...and so on [09:15] we could do that [09:15] like the top heading... == Introduction == or == Information == and under that briefly explain the software or tutorial, and anything the reader might need to know prior to proceding with the tutorial/article [09:16] that way they don't get half way through and have to jump out of the page to read something else [09:16] nixternal, a lot of the tuts & docs we've got are already set up like that - the trouble with RestrictedFormats is that it's such a long page :| [09:17] nixternal: you end up offering the disclaimer on every page [09:17] it will take a lot of effort to implement that on every page [09:17] so i have seen ;)...im saying for the CategoryCleanup ones really...and then... [09:17] it would take 'quick links' in the header, or on every page, to say 'Need to install software? click here' etc [09:17] mdke: im talking just catcleanups right now [09:17] which probably isn't that useful [09:19] Plug_: the quicklinks...is that an idea that you like or dislike? [09:20] I think that for tricky subjects, you dont need to tell people how to do things. Assume they can find out themselves if they dont know. I assume if you want to install Hula on Ubuntu you're probably handy enough with a command line, or at least know where to look. [09:20] The game is totally different in 'user facing' pages, rather than 'sysadmin facing' pages [09:20] we should be really conservative about that sort of assumption though [09:20] very true...but it is the "assumption" part that worries me [09:21] exactly [09:21] almost every page suggests installing a package [09:21] and every other page says to do so from universe or multiverse [09:22] I don't think a link to InstallingSoftware is overly offputting, to be honest === mdke goes to work === Plug_ goes to dinner [09:23] mdke: what about InstallingSoftware and Repositories? [09:24] no, still not [09:24] you could have a consistent ["Repositories" Enable Universe and Multiverse] link [09:24] night all [09:28] g'nite all [09:32] Plug_: actually, both aren't necessary, the latter should be part of the former [09:33] yeah, a consistent link is a good idea. We use "Add, Remove and Update Applications" for the distro docs, iirc. === synchronboy [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === synchronboy is now known as matthewrevell === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-178-53.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ghee22 [n=parag@26.muh33.nycm.n54ny31ur.dsl.att.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ghee22 [n=parag@26.muh33.nycm.n54ny31ur.dsl.att.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-139.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === philbull [n=philbull@84.13.69.76] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:14] Who updates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ ? [11:15] robitaille [11:15] OK === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sivang [i=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:46] hi folks [11:47] where can I discuss translator team admin issues? :) [11:48] what issues? === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-178-53.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:48] If it's a misbehaving admin, it might be a CC issue. [11:48] no, I'm the admin :-) [11:49] good ;) [11:49] are you misbehaving? [11:50] heh [11:50] jenda: oh no :_) [11:50] lol [11:50] anyways, I have this person who wants to join the translator team. This team being basically the moderators team for the language, I take extra care before I approve someone [11:50] so otherwise they need to contribute some on the Israeli wiki, [11:51] yeah [11:51] or show me some translations suggestions they have done [11:51] but this guy just sent me some links about coding projects he has done, no apparent translation works. [11:52] He seems nice, though, and we are in need of some more active moderators for the suggestions we receive. Question is, should I approve him based on that, or ask him to work some on the wiki/rosetta before I do so? [11:52] well its your call really [11:52] (I'm concenred he might get turned off by that, and I will loose a propspective moderator) [11:54] what have other loco team leads done in similar situations? [11:54] do we have a guideline doc for that? [11:57] well [11:57] i admin one language team in LP [11:57] its pretty hard to get volunteers for such === philbull [n=philbull@84.13.69.76] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [12:17] sivang: we don't have a guideline, but I wrote some suggestions about how to do that on my blog, and I think a lot of translation teams have gone down similar lines. [12:18] http://www.mdke.org/blog/Ubuntu_Translation___Quality_Assurance.html [12:18] that's what the italian team does anyhow [12:18] sivang: #ubuntu-translators or #ubuntu-locoteams is a better place to discuss it though, or either of the mailing lists for those [12:18] mdke: thanks === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/KampingKaiser/x-3453498] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/KampingKaiser/x-3453498] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:06] Hello...I've been away for a while... What's up with the localized help.ubuntu.com/index.cc.html? [01:06] WaterSevenUb: it is now index.html.cc [01:06]