[12:03] <coopster> jenda: Am i to assume that it's now an unknown amount of time before there is a site to make live, or is it still just a few days out?
[12:04] <jenda> coopster: make that unknown.
[12:04] <jenda> But we are moving.
[12:04] <jenda> unfortunately, I'll be out for two weeks starting tomorrow - I'll try getting design proposals out.
[12:05] <jenda> Can you keep that uploaded for two weeks? I'd send out a request on the mailing list.
[12:06] <coopster> oh sure, i'll keep that file up there indefinitely, it's small enough
[12:07] <jenda> OK, thanks
[12:08] <coopster> hrmm, so was anything actually put into action as of that meeting?
[12:08] <coopster> it seems like much was discussed, and then set aside
[12:08] <coopster> (not to speak badly of the meeting, just wondering if i missed something)
[12:16] <jenda> coopster: I'm working on the minute now, I'll link you to it when it's done.
[12:16] <jenda> I think a lot was set there.
[12:29] <Bilange> oww. ;P
[12:31] <coopster> ?
[01:38] <jenda> ooooh... feels strange to forcefully remove Mako from the team member list ;)
[01:45] <bimberi> :)
[01:46] <bimberi> jenda: well, now that you've got through the membership process - no worries! :)
[01:46] <jenda> I'm a little worried, but I have a decent meeting log to back up my actions ;)
[01:48] <jenda> "At the Marketing Team IRC meeting, it has been decided that the over-bloated list of members has to be pruned radically. Therefore, every single member will be deactivated and will only be activated if they ping one of the admins. The inactive members will be removed in the middle of July."
[01:48] <jenda> That's the notice I put with the removals...
[01:48] <jsgotangco> nahh its alright
[01:49] <bimberi> jenda: don't worry.  Is sabdfl there?  Has be been active?  Give him the boot too if not!
[01:49] <bimberi> :)
[01:49] <jenda> Aww, he isn't on there ;)
[01:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:50] <bimberi> although he, of course, is the projects biggest marketing asset
[01:50] <jenda> BTW: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2006-06-28
[01:50] <bimberi> *project's
[01:50] <jenda> True ;)
[01:51] <jenda> jsgotangco: speaking of which, I removed you too.
[01:51] <jenda> Should I consider your presence here activity? ;)
[01:51] <jsgotangco> jenda: yep thanks!
[01:51] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:52] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:52] <jsgotangco> =)
[01:52] <jenda> okey dokey, you're back up
[01:53] <jenda> Down to 18 members :)
[01:54] <jenda> I only left those who were present at the meeting or wanted to come but couldn't make it.
[01:55] <jenda> damn, there is no such thing as removing a member completely.
[01:55] <jenda> Oh
[01:55] <jenda> my
[01:55] <jenda> god...
[01:55] <jenda> 58 messages in my inbox since five minutes ago :-D
[01:56] <jenda> I'm sure Corey will love this :D :D
[01:56] <jenda> Launchpad membership status change notifications :D
[01:57] <jenda> yep
[01:57] <bimberi> wha? "Ubuntero: Not Yet."  But I've signed.
[01:57] <jenda> new version, bimberi
[01:57] <bimberi> ah, kk
[02:02] <jenda> good night folks
[02:06] <bimberi> nn jenda - well done!
[02:06] <jenda> thanks ;)
[02:06] <jenda> but wait...
[02:06] <jenda> I'm looking for a detective for hire ;)
[02:07] <jenda> I have a list of names from the wiki member list... and I need email addys associated with them.
[02:08] <jenda> ooh... 26 of them.
[02:08] <jenda> No volunteers?
[02:08] <jenda> OK, I'll do it tomorrow ;)
[02:10] <jenda> If anyone appears later on who'd like to take it up: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16724
[02:20] <dotwaffle> jenda: I'll have a go, but I can't guarantee anything.
[02:20] <jenda> thx :)
[02:21] <jenda> I actually got out of bed though ;)
[02:21] <jenda> night
[02:21] <dotwaffle> night
[02:22] <bimberi> dotwaffle: kk - i've also got Mauricio Hernandez but will stop for now
[02:23] <jenda> that wasn't intentional ;)
[02:39] <dotwaffle> jenda-away: YOU'VE GOT MAIL!
[06:03] <Rinchen> anyone on who can add me back to launchpad?
[06:04] <nixternal> lol...jenda gotcha?
[06:04] <nixternal> i think it is just jenda and cory who are admins...you should be able to rejoin the team however
[06:09] <Rinchen> yeah, I just flamed the list
[06:10] <Rinchen> btw, new photos from my Ubuntu presentation tonight. Went very well :-)
[06:11] <nixternal> link???
[06:12] <Rinchen> sure one sec
[06:12] <nixternal> good to hear it went well...im in the process of working on a setup for an upcoming show in Chicago land area
[06:12] <Rinchen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam/Photos
[06:12] <Rinchen> seems that I'm the only not camera shy
[06:12] <nixternal> sweet
[06:12] <nixternal> lol
[06:13] <Rinchen> omg...sorry off topic...just got this from my ISP:  http://www.cowabduction.com/
[06:15] <nixternal> good pics Joey
[06:16] <nixternal> hahahahhaha
[06:16] <Madpilot> cool URL :)
[06:16] <Madpilot> so who do I have to poke to get my LP status changed again for the Marketing Team?
[06:16] <nixternal> i have sent that cow flying
[06:16] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:17] <nixternal> oh wow...poke the fearless leader himself or your bro ;)
[06:17] <Rinchen> Get in line Mad... :-)
[06:17] <Madpilot> ah right, I forgot that Corey was technically owner of the team :)
[06:17] <nixternal> yup
[06:17] <Rinchen> Him or Jenda
[06:17] <Rinchen> Jenda will be on in about 2-3 hours
[06:18] <mgalvin> Rinchen:  hahaha!
[06:18] <nixternal> John Lambrechts also...goes by chicagocubs i think
[06:18] <nixternal> ^^ he is another admin
[06:18] <Rinchen> Matt.. I'm guessing that was for the cows and not the Loco Pics or my Marketing flame :-)
[06:19] <Rinchen> although a bald guy with a belly presenting can be quite amusing
[06:19] <nixternal> hehe
[06:20] <nixternal> looked like a good turnout...i like to see that, as it makes me hopefull on getting the Ubuntu Chicago team running now
[06:20] <nixternal> we are still very infant in our stages..however I have had a few outstanding hopefulls chime in with information
[06:20] <Rinchen> yeah, only got a few of the room
[06:21] <Rinchen> So, for you loggers, here is quote of the day from LOLUG:
[06:21] <Rinchen> Paul, the LOLUG leader said "I think we should disband and join Joey's group."
[06:21] <nixternal> hehe
[06:22] <JoeyStanford> I just looked at him with my mouth open
[06:22] <JoeyStanford> I had already given the speach of 'we're not here to replace LUGs'
[06:22] <nixternal> that is what im worried about
[06:22] <JoeyStanford> and the darn FEDORA guys were egging him on! "Yeah...let's do it! I'm switching tonight."
[06:23] <nixternal> there are 2 somewhat defined lugs, and i don't want to replace them..i just want to have a couple Ubuntu Chicago reps in place there
[06:23] <nixternal> here in chicago, it seems everyone is part of Uniforums..which is a paid membership..but they have outstanding speakers and presentations
[06:23] <JoeyStanford> You might very well find that you fill such a huge hole that you'll become the largest group
[06:23] <nixternal> im working on that little by little
[06:24] <nixternal> im hoping to become a decent size group...if i can get 10 hopefulls in the next couple of weeks, i will be happy
[06:24] <nixternal> i have 4 to 5 right now
[06:24] <nixternal> but like i said, this just started in the past 2 days
[06:26] <nixternal> lol
[06:26] <JoeyStanford> apt-get moo
[06:26] <nixternal> gahahah
[06:26] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install moo
[06:27] <nixternal> that is the mooltiverse repository i believe
[06:27] <JoeyStanford> hehe...aside from the slice and dice on the users list, the minutes from the marketing meeting today sound like it went very well
[06:28] <nixternal> it was long and hard fought...but not bad for a first meeting
[06:28] <nixternal> it was a little to edgy yet...i figure after a meeting or 2, it will calm down and run smooth
[06:29] <nixternal> can't be telling people to hush and stop it when giving their 2 cents...going offtopic is one thing
[06:29] <Bilange> im not sure, but I thought the points was really quickly debated... is it only me?
[06:29] <JoeyStanford> yeah, I have that problem with my current client. If I could just get them on topic life would be great
[06:30] <bimberi> Bilange: i thought so too
[06:30] <nixternal> you are right Bilange
[06:30] <nixternal> it was good for a first meeting..however i think most of the stuff could have and should have been debated in here
[06:30] <Bilange> granted, the meeting lasted 1.5 hours at that speed, imagine if we let everyone speak :S
[06:31] <nixternal> it runs smooth when you have one person introduce the agenda...and then call on a person to give 2 or 3 quick lines on it..then onto the next person...and on to the next...after the meeting..then you can debate the "Minutes"
[06:32] <nixternal> that will make a meeting run smooth and quick..and makes a great outline for minutes to be applied at a later date
[06:32] <ormiret> is there a log of the meeting?
[06:34] <Bilange> ormiret, i can provide on, I was logging
[06:34] <Bilange> one*
[06:34] <bimberi> people need to be able to respond to the points made immediately, ask questions, make counter-arguments
[06:34] <bimberi> ormiret: there's the official logs.  sec...
[06:35] <bimberi> ormiret: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-06-28.html
[06:35] <bimberi> note that there is an edubuntu meeting that occurred earlier
[06:36] <ormiret> thanks
[06:36] <Bilange> thank god someome else was logging... my logging didnt work :(
[06:37] <bimberi> ormiret: yw :) - scroll down to 09:00
[06:37] <Madpilot> Bilange, ubuntu-meeting is always logged - that's one of the main reasons to hold the various meetings there :)
[06:38] <bimberi> Madpilot: thanks for deleting that Customisations/Australia page for me :)
[06:38] <Bilange> Madpilot, I didnt know the official URL :)
[06:39] <Madpilot> bimberi, np - if you're a member of WikiTeam, you should have delete/rename privs soon, btw
[06:40] <bimberi> Madpilot: ah, kk.  No not a member at this stage.
[06:42] <Madpilot> https://launchpad.net/people/wikiteam <-- bimberi - just look for the "Join This Team" link, you'll be approved in a day or two
[06:43] <bimberi> Madpilot: cheers
[06:43] <Bilange> Madpilot, are you actually a wiki team member ?
[06:43] <Madpilot> I am, yeah - DocTeam too
[06:44] <Bilange> I have a silly question: how come, when editing a wiki page under CategoryHomePage, everytime someone edits a page people gets notified of the changes?
[06:45] <Bilange> err, PersonalHomepage? forgot the actual name
[06:45] <nixternal> unsubscribe if you don't want to be notified
[06:45] <nixternal> it is setup in your user prefs to be subcribed on pages you edit
[06:46] <Madpilot> Bilange, there are some insane people who are subscribed to the *entire* wiki
[06:46] <Bilange> my point is quite the other way around: im not sure if people I dont know is really that interested in my page's modification
[06:47] <Madpilot> there are at least a couple of people who're sub'd to the whole thing, personal pages included.
[06:47] <Bilange> I guess they want to reach their gmail space limit :)
[06:53] <Madpilot> something like that
[06:53] <Madpilot> or stress-test their home email server & filters :)
[06:53] <Bilange> or just like spam. :P
[07:09] <JoeyStanford> That boy is like clock-work. Alarm goes off and he's on the computer.
[07:19] <nixternal> lol
[07:21] <JoeyStanford> bbibih
[08:01] <Madpilot> there - got all the various IRC wiki pages back where they belong
[08:01] <Madpilot> gah, sorry, wrong channel :)
[08:03] <Rinchen> It sounded productive thought Mad :-)
[08:03] <Rinchen> ch/thought/though/
[08:06] <Madpilot> repairing stuff things have done to the Ubuntu wikis - gah
[08:06] <Madpilot> s/things/people... oops ;)
[08:07] <Rinchen> hehe yeah. I was out fixing a few public things today.
[08:07] <Rinchen> mostly formatting errors
[08:07] <Rinchen> http://www.klearconnect.com/fcgi-bin/image-scale.fcgi?i=1830&w=500&h=500
[08:12] <damned> morning all
[08:13] <Rinchen> greets
[08:13] <Rinchen> er
[08:13] <Rinchen> Privet
[08:13] <Rinchen> Kak dela?
[08:17] <Rinchen> I'll take the reply as ochin harisho, spaciba....  and with that, I'm off to bed! :-) Cheerio
[08:21] <jenda> Good morning.
[08:22] <jenda> Madpilot: I take that as a "I'll be a good marketing team member" - right?
[08:22] <Madpilot> hi jenda
[08:22] <Madpilot> guess so ;)
[08:22] <jenda> Alrighty
[08:26] <jenda> Hmm... Rinchen wanted that too...
[08:26] <jenda> I guess that's good enough.
[08:28] <jenda> But I have no idea what his name is.
[08:31] <Madpilot>  /whowas got me "[Rinchen]  (n=Rinchen@unaffiliated/rescue): Hi, I'm Joey!"
[08:33] <jenda> Could be Joey Stanford
[08:34] <jenda> too bad his IP dunn't show anymore - JS had @stan4d.net
[08:34] <jenda> dotwaffle: WOW - thanks for the email hunting, you did a great job.
[08:35] <jenda> bimberi: and thanks to you too ;)
[08:37] <jenda> hello NickGarvey
[08:38] <NickGarvey> hello jenda
[08:41] <NickGarvey> nice to meet you :)
[08:41] <bimberi> jenda: np ;)
[08:41] <jenda> ;)
[08:41] <jenda> nixternal: I have a job for you :)
[08:42] <bimberi> jenda: if it helps, there was a "--- Rinchen is now known as JoeyStanford" earlier
[08:42] <jenda> BTW, is the marketing team contact person allowed to 'assign jobs'?
[08:42] <jenda> :)
[08:42] <jenda> bimberi: it does
[08:42] <jenda> nixternal: I think the MT needs a wiki admin.
[08:42] <nixternal> uh oh
[08:43] <nixternal> what is wiki?
[08:43] <nixternal> ;)
[08:43] <bimberi> lol
[08:43] <nixternal> isn't that a character on star wars?
[08:43] <jenda> Isn't it amazing how https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam looks in no way like http://wiki.ubuntu.cz/ ?
[08:43] <nixternal> actually wiki is illegal in the US
[08:44] <jenda> I want the MT's wikipages to rock - because they are now a partial replacement for the forum.
[08:44] <nixternal> i can work on something i think
[08:44] <NickGarvey> not planning on bringing the forums back up?
[08:44] <jenda> And this one is also worth noting, although you won't understand a word it says http://wiki.ubuntu.cz/Konferen%C4%8Dn%C3%AD_m%C3%ADstnost_na_Jabberu
[08:44] <jenda> NickGarvey: nope
[08:45] <nixternal> don't know how much trickin' out you can do to a wiki..but i sure can try ;)
[08:45] <jenda> Was decided in yesterdays meeting
[08:45] <jenda> nixternal: not much ;) I did those contents boxes by copy/pasting from the Czech wiki.
[08:45] <jenda> nixternal: there's no rush, though.
[08:45] <NickGarvey> you should update the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam, it has a link to the forums under brainstorming
[08:45] <nixternal> hehe...i like um though
[08:45] <NickGarvey> I don't have an account though
[08:45] <jenda> NickGarvey: thx
[08:45] <NickGarvey> :)
[08:47] <bimberi> re trickin' - someone in my LocoTeam was able to get the team logo as a watermark to the Table of Contents - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/
[08:47] <nixternal> jenda: give me a date you would like to see it completed?...ASAP?
[08:47] <jenda> June 10
[08:47] <jenda> good enough?
[08:47] <nixternal> haha ya
[08:47] <nixternal> i gotcha on that
[08:48] <nixternal> that will be top of the list for tomorrow work...well really like work to start in 8 hours  ;)
[08:49] <jenda> bimberi: OMFG I want that guy on the team NOW
[08:50] <NickGarvey> heh
[08:50] <jenda> (Do I sound a bit like Steve Ballmer?)
[08:50] <jenda> bimberi: That was a joke ;)
[08:50] <nixternal> ahh thats easy stuff there ;)
[08:50] <jenda> nixternal: thanks
[08:50] <KenSentMe> Good morning people
[08:50] <jenda> morn, KenSentMe
[08:51] <nixternal> np jenda..added to my list..and i will begin work on it first thing tomorrow...gave myself 24 hours for a kick a$$ wiki ;)
[08:51] <KenSentMe> jenda: looks like you had a good and productive meeting yesterday
[08:51] <nixternal> moins KenSentMe
[08:51] <jenda> :)
[08:51] <jenda> KenSentMe: yes, please do check out the minute - it's easily accessible from the main wikipage.
[08:52] <KenSentMe> jenda: i've read the whole meeting in the past 15 minutes
[08:52] <jenda> ;)
[08:52] <nixternal> we need an Ubuntu MarketingTeam Logo!!!
[08:52] <KenSentMe> My irc never closes, so i can always check back what is said
[08:53] <Madpilot> nixternal, I did a logo for Ubuntu Canada Locoteam - if anyone has some ideas, I'll see what I can do for Marketing
[08:54] <nixternal> lol
[08:54] <nixternal> Madpilot: at this time i would like to refer you to mr. a-jenda himeself ;)
[08:54] <Madpilot> heh
[08:54] <nixternal> and remove the checksum wiki that was nabbed from wikipedia ;)
[08:54] <bimberi> jenda: lol, just thought it might help
[08:55] <nixternal> oh ya...i remember the CA logo now..the maple leaves...i like that
[08:56] <bimberi> Marketing Team logo - something else to ask the artwork team perhaps
[08:56] <jenda> I'll try to think of something. The logo is just a fun bit, I wouldn't press it too much.
[08:56] <nixternal> artwork team == strapped down hardcore right now
[08:56] <jenda> Got something... gimme a sec.
[08:56] <nixternal> i could try and ask kwwii for a favor...but i don't know
[08:56] <bimberi> hmmk
[08:57] <bimberi> (go to the same LUG)
[08:57] <NickGarvey> usalug is where the cool kids are
[08:57] <NickGarvey> :)
[08:57] <jenda> oik guys, how's something of this sort as a MT logo: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=24719
[08:58] <jenda> (the form needs work, of course - I meant the general concept)
[08:58] <nixternal> what are you pointing at?..the theme itself?
[08:59] <nixternal> hmmm...the globe thing and colors..i might no someone who can do that..actually another website i work for...we had a logo similar to that at one time
[08:59] <nixternal> and the guy who runs the site did the logo..i forgot he is graphically inclined too
[08:59] <nixternal> pinging him now
[09:00] <jenda> I think the MT is all about the world ;)
[09:00] <nixternal> exactly
[09:00] <nixternal> and the ubuntu globe he did was awesome
[09:00] <jenda> great
[09:00] <nixternal> now if he would only answer his ping
[09:01] <nixternal> bimberi: that is the hard part..but with ubuntu i think the continent of africa
[09:01] <nixternal> since that is where it's origin is
[09:01] <nixternal> plus nobody can get mad using that analogy on why this country or that country was shown
[09:02] <bimberi> yes, that seems to be a plausible explanation - for my fellow pedants :P
[09:02] <jenda> agreed ;)
[09:02] <jenda> or we can have it rotate :-D
[09:03] <jsgotangco> jenda: do you sleep?
[09:03] <jsgotangco> =)
[09:03] <nixternal> haha
[09:03] <bimberi> now _that_ would be trickn'
[09:03] <nixternal> there ^^
[09:03] <nixternal> jenda: meet imbrandon...a buntu developer
[09:03] <nixternal> and the guy with the amazing globe i told you about
[09:03] <imbrandon> me and jenda have met ;)
[09:03] <jenda> indeed ;)
[09:03] <jenda> hello imbrandon
[09:04] <imbrandon> heya jendasup ?
[09:04] <nixternal> everyone knows jenda cuz he gets on their.....well you know ;)
[09:04] <jenda> nixternal: exactly, was just gonna point it out
[09:04] <nixternal> puts people in line, and gives them alot of work ;)
[09:04] <jenda> But I believe this is my first with imbrandon
[09:04] <imbrandon> lol nixternal was a tad vague? you just want my graphics or want me to whip up a html template ? or ummm
[09:04] <bimberi> nixternal: lol
[09:04] <nixternal> graphics imbrandon
[09:04] <jenda> as in - the first thing I might be bothering about ;)
[09:04] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:05] <jenda> imbrandon: well, we just had the idea of having a MT logo
[09:05] <nixternal> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=24719  <-- that kind of look globe wise
[09:05] <jenda> and a globe showing africa surrounded by an Ubuntu logo would be nice :)
[09:05] <nixternal> which is why i thought of our original globe look on buntudot
[09:05] <imbrandon> kk jenda hold on lemme dig up what i had on buntudot.org first and you tell me where we go from here
[09:06] <imbrandon> gimme just one sec to get outa my edgy chroot
[09:07] <NickGarvey> I am a 15 year old with limited funds, what is the best way I can help support ubuntu?
[09:07] <imbrandon> doc's
[09:07] <NickGarvey> write documentation?
[09:08] <imbrandon> yup ;)
[09:08] <jenda> NickGarvey: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[09:08] <NickGarvey> I should learn wiki formatting then
[09:08] <jenda> have a look at that.
[09:08] <NickGarvey> thank you very much
[09:08] <jenda> Yes, moinmoin is good to know
[09:08] <jenda> No one needs $$$ to support Ubuntu ;)
[09:08] <imbrandon> gah jenda i have deleted it off the server , one minute while i look in my hdd backups
[09:09] <jenda> OK
[09:09] <adamant1988> hello all
[09:13] <Sum2> morning all, quick question - how do I join the marketing mailing list?
[09:13] <imbrandon> lists.ubuntu.com
[09:14] <Sum2> thanks imbrandon
[09:15] <imbrandon> hrm jenda i dont seem to even have a screenshot or backup of it, but it was simple enough to make i can redo it later tonight
[09:16] <imbrandon> nixternal, you dont happen to have a copy do you ?
[09:16] <jenda> imbrandon: I'm leaving tonight for almost two weeks, but nixternal will be in charge of the MT wiki, so you can hand it to him.
[09:16] <nixternal> yellow
[09:16] <imbrandon> ok
[09:17] <nixternal> no imbrandon i don't have a copy
[09:17] <imbrandon> np i'll just redo it and let nixternal repost it i guess
[09:17] <imbrandon> it was a 10 minute job ( well for me but i love graphics ;)
[09:18] <nixternal> hehe
[09:18] <nixternal> work foo
[09:18] <nixternal> i have one eye open cuz im exhausted
[09:19] <Sum2> bye all, thanks!
[09:21] <jenda> imbrandon: Don't say that too loud in here. I might remember it for later and then you'll never get rid of me.
[09:21] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:21] <jenda> Wasn't a joke.
[09:21] <jenda> :)
[09:22] <imbrandon> np just grab me from #kubuntu-devel or #buntudot ;)
[09:22] <nixternal> haha
[09:22] <nixternal> oh imbrandon you are in for it now
[09:22] <nixternal> if not you are in trouble ;)
[09:22] <imbrandon> heh
[09:23] <nixternal> that's his good quality though, as it does get work done in here...haha and the barks
[09:23] <imbrandon> jenda, i dont wish to be on the MT right now got alot of other stuff on my plate but if you need graphic , code , or website stuff let me know i'll be happy to lend a hand ;)
[09:23] <nixternal> just check out the CC when he went for Ubuntu Membership...we owned the CC..they had no choice, cuz they feared him
[09:24] <imbrandon> nixternal, i was there cheering jenda on , rember
[09:24] <jenda> imbrandon: I will be needing that all the time. Spreadubuntu is waiting for design proposals, the magazine needs graphics.. etc :)
[09:24] <imbrandon> today is not the first meeting of us ;)
[09:24] <Madpilot> night all
[09:24] <nixternal> \o/ \o/ \o/
[09:24] <nixternal> that sounds like a great idea actually
[09:24] <jenda> imbrandon: actually, the mag can probably cater for itself now.
[09:25] <jenda> hm?
[09:26] <imbrandon> ok np, like i said i'm a code monkey at heart so just poke me in #kubuntu-devel but i'm decient at graphic and web stuff ( as thats what i do for a living ;P )
[09:26] <nixternal> thanks imbrandon for the help on that one
[09:26] <imbrandon> ok back to work for me ....
[09:26] <nixternal> i guess thats what you get for making me test your code
[09:26] <imbrandon> lol
[09:27] <jenda> hehe ;)
[09:28] <nixternal> g'nite all
[09:29] <nixternal> jenda..you gonna be on the ol' email while you are out...or do we gotta snail mail ya ?
[09:29] <nixternal> ;)
[09:29] <jenda> prolly snail mail ;)
[09:29] <nixternal> hahaha
[09:30] <jenda> I"ll be flood-eed when I get back :(
[09:30] <nixternal> ouch
[09:30] <nixternal> so you are going to be afk from here then for 2 weeks?  no irc, no email, no wiki, no jenda
[09:31] <jenda> probably
[09:31] <jenda> I might drop in for a day in the middle of it.
[09:31] <nixternal> ok...are you going to send out an email to give some ideas of what you would like to see completed while you are gone?
[09:31] <nixternal> i should have the wiki done fairly quick
[09:32] <jenda> nixternal: whoa :)
[09:32] <nixternal> i will do most of the wiki editing local on my server, and then up it to wiki
[09:32] <jenda> I won't be sending any emails of the sort, really - It would be very bossy :)
[09:32] <nixternal> lol
[09:32] <jenda> OK
[09:32] <jenda> I think everyone know what the have to do... except perhaps the SU thing...
[09:33] <nixternal> i don't think it is bossy...just kind of like..hey im gonna be gone...it would be nice maybe if some of these items could be tended too
[09:33] <jenda> yeah, I'll send out an email asking for design proposals.
[09:33] <jenda> Remember, the MT doesn't have a leader.
[09:33] <nixternal> gotta crack that whip ;)
[09:33] <nixternal> i know it doesn't have a leader, but a director it needs
[09:34] <nixternal> even though i will still refer to you as the fearless leader
[09:34] <jenda> gah
[09:34] <nixternal> haha
[09:35] <adamant1988> how was the meeting jenda?
[09:35] <jenda> it was great
[09:35] <jenda> I got flamed a bit on the mailing list now, I see :)
[09:35] <jenda> adamant1988: check the minute on the wiki
[09:38] <nixternal> jenda: if you need anything done or looked over or anything...feel free to message me, email me, whatever...im available to help you out while gone ;)
[09:39] <nixternal> nixternal at gmail dot com
[09:39] <jenda> nixternal: abotu the wiki: the project specific pages need to be linked to.
[09:39] <jenda> gothcha
[09:39] <jenda> y'all know my email addy since the meeting :)
[09:39] <nixternal> no problem..and we decided to move all that under /MarketingTeam/ correct?
[09:39] <jenda> correct
[09:39] <nixternal> cool..no problem then
[09:40] <nixternal> i will crack the whip however on imbrandon on the images..as we work together in devel and buntudot...so i will get that out of him ;)
[09:41] <nixternal> im off to never never land now...so you have a good trip jenda, and we shall cya when you get back
[09:41] <nixternal> g'nite for real this time ;)
[09:42] <jenda> gnigth, nixternal
[09:42] <jenda> hello matthewrevell
[09:42] <ormiret> jenda: ddin't mean it as a flame, I just dislike the meassage that it sends when you remove people
[09:42] <jenda> ormiret: Robert?
[09:42] <jenda> No worries
[09:42] <ormiret> aye
[09:43] <jenda> I don't mind a flame :)
[09:43] <jenda> Just kidding
[09:43] <jenda> I really believe it was necessary for the list of members to have any value at all.
[09:43] <matthewrevell> jenda: Hi
[09:44] <jenda> It does to me now - because I know that I've seen every single one of those people around, no matter how many times I re-check that fact, and it's still 20 people
[09:44] <jenda> 20 volunteer team members with active interest is a lot to work with.
[09:45] <jenda> And my enigmail is screwed up. Darn.
[09:47] <ormiret> I think it would have been better to make the list of people doing something somewhere else, removing people runs the risk of making them leave where they might have contributed in the future as it becomes more apparent that there is something to contribute to
[09:47] <jenda> ormiret: however... it has been decided on the meeting, and everyone present agreed, which includes two of the three admins of the LP team. I decide to do that all on my own.
[09:48] <jenda> ormiret: they aren't removed, they are deactivated.
[09:48] <jenda> Each of them recieved a notice like...
[09:48] <ormiret> jenda: was more the message it sends that I was worried about
[09:48] <jenda> At the Marketing Team IRC meeting, it has been decided that the over-bloated list of members has to be pruned radically. Therefore, every single member will be deactivated and will only be activated if they ping one of the admins. The inactive members will be removed in the middle of July.
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[09:49] <ormiret> and the descision at the meeting is another thing I didn't like, it excludes the people who couldn't make the meeting from the descision making process
[09:49] <jenda> Mind you, I found out since then that you can't remove them from the inactive list.
[09:50] <jenda> ormiret: all the people who have been recently interested in the team have been at the meeting, with about 3 or 6 exceptions...
[09:51] <ormiret> jenda: ignoring people who haven't been recently active is a great way to avoid increasing the number of active people
[09:52] <jenda> Note: I doubt people such as mako or robitaille will be offended by such a move, there aren't many inexperienced people on that list.
[09:52] <jenda> ormiret: gah :)
[09:52] <ormiret> :)
[09:53] <jenda> ormiret: Those who were active during the past two months were, and those who haven't, haven't been active for over 6 months or more.
[09:53] <jenda> That is a long enough time to be considered officially dead...
[09:53] <jenda> not
[09:53] <jenda> but it's long enough to remind them that they are 'members'.
[09:54] <jenda> Being a member is no official status, it's just there to show who is interested in the team and who isn't - not who was interested last year.
[09:54] <jenda> Hello silbs
[09:55] <jenda> silbs: You might want to check out the minute of the meeting, yesterday: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2006-06-28
[09:59] <ormiret> jenda: I think it would have been better to get in touch with incative people saying "We want to clean up this list, if you're not interested anymore, please remove yourself"
[09:59] <jenda> ormiret: well, that's kind of difficult with people who are no longer reachable.
[09:59] <ormiret> rather than removing them, cause I think that sends the meassage of "You haven't done anything recently so we're kicking you out"
[10:00] <jenda> As the message above says - all you need to do to be reactivated is "ping one of the admins"
[10:00] <jenda> That doesn't hurt anyone, IMO
[10:00] <ormiret> doesn't everybody in launchpad have an email address there?
[10:02] <ormiret> But this is already in the past - more importantly now is coming up with a way to make descisions including the mailing list as well as IRC so that I could have expressed my disagreement before you deactivated peoeple.
[10:04] <jenda> We have also decided on the meeting that the most important decisions will be posted and made on the ML
[10:05] <ormiret> jenda: yeah I did think it was funny to decide to include the mailing list in amking descisions without consulting the mailing list :)
[10:06] <jenda> meh :)
[10:07] <jenda> ormiret: who else but the poeple who are currently interested in sweating some serious marketing work should decide where and how they will communicate?
[10:07] <jenda> The mailing list was consulted by inviting to the meeting.
[10:07] <jenda> Missing meetings is an inevitable thing, unfortunately, and there's not much anyone can do about it.
[10:08] <jenda> I had many things I could've been doing other than that meeting you know ;) (starting with a class reunion which I skipped, ending with sleep which I postponed till 2 or 3 AM)
[10:10] <ormiret> jenda: I agree descisions should be made by people doing the work, but I think more of an effort needs to be made to include more people in the discussions to try and convince them to do work.
[10:10] <ormiret> a core group deciding everything and doing all the work isn't helpful for expanding the team
[10:11] <jenda> sorry, ormiret, I don't have the feeling there is a core group deciding everything.
[10:11] <jenda> Anyone could have come to that meeting and raised objections.
[10:11] <ormiret> jenda: this isn't an attack on you, I am trying to help find ways to get more people interested and working (even if they aren't willing to give up sleep to make it to meetings)
[10:11] <jenda> And all objections were heeded, I believe.
[10:11] <jenda> Not taken as an attack :)
[10:12] <ormiret> leaving the door open isn't enough to get people to come in, we have to make an effort to attract them
[10:15] <jenda> ormiret: I did a huge marketing for marketing campaign two months ago, attracting over 100 people to the MT forum (which is non-existent now).
[10:17] <jenda> And 20 or more active people on the team is enough for me to move to other priorities. There used to be, however, the Ubuntu People project of the MT, which took care of the communications, including drafting new members. If you wish to do something of the sort - it will be appreciated.
[10:18] <jenda> BTW - you're very welcome to join the team :)
[10:21] <ormiret> jenda: I'm talking more about having the decision making process open to contribution from lurkers to try and convince them to speak up. The descision to deactivate people who you haven't heard from recently coupled with the way the descision was made without any discussion really reflects badly on how open the team is to people who aren't all that commited
[10:21] <jenda> I doubt you could say fairly that it was done without discussion.
[10:21] <ormiret> I don't think we need another forum to solve this, rather to actually discuss things more and invite input from everybody before making descisions
[10:22] <jenda> Besides, there is no value in that list of 70 people we had there.
[10:22] <ormiret> There was no discussion on the ML - it was metioned in the meeting summary and then done
[10:22] <jenda> Really, there isn't.
[10:22] <jenda> yes, but you brought up discussion - I admit, too late.
[10:22] <jsgotangco> can't we just move along since its done already and be more productive instead of raising issues that won't fix anything
[10:23] <jenda> thank you jsgotangco :)
[10:23] <ormiret> I'm not saying there is, but removing people risks them taking umbrage and leaving when they might have contributed in the future if we left them alone
[10:24] <jenda> ormiret: not really a loss if they haven't said a word in a year. And judging by the reactions I'm getting, no one takes it badly (Apart from Joey Stanford, who has already been offput by the Pearl Harbour CC Meeting two days ago (which I barely made))
[10:24] <ormiret> I agree that we shoudl probably move on, but I want to make it clear that I really disagree with the way this was done in the hopes that we can be more inclusive in discussions in the future
[10:25] <jenda> If any person leaves as a result while wanting to continue participating, I'll take it as my personal responsibility to get them back.
[10:25] <jsgotangco> an LP team can be really powerful given enough rights so sometimes open teams aren't that favourable
[10:25] <ormiret> I'm more woried about the people who take umbrage and leave without saying anything
[10:26] <jenda> Nothing we can do about them now.
[10:26] <jenda> Sorry to all such.
[10:26] <jsgotangco> tell me how bad was the deactivation notice
[10:26] <jenda> I pasted it a while ago
[10:27] <jenda> 38 minutes back
[10:27] <jsgotangco> anyway its a pretty inactive team so cleaning it up makes sense as well
[10:28] <jsgotangco> jenda: you can probably create a new team that is open though
[10:28] <jenda> As in - MT supporters and MT core?
[10:28] <jsgotangco> that's what we did in edubuntu
[10:28] <jenda> hm... I think that would seem elitist and exclusive
[10:29] <jsgotangco> we had an old edubuntu team that was moderated but accepted at will
[10:29] <jsgotangco> and we now have an edubuntu-members team where members are approved by the council
[10:29] <jsgotangco> the old edubuntu team became open to anyone who wants to join it
[10:30] <jenda> OK, that could be considered.
[10:30] <jenda> We actually have a makeshift counciel - the project leaders.
[10:30] <jenda> *council
[10:31] <jenda> Lemme make an ad-notice to the ubuntu offtopic channels to draft people who are interested. That never hurts :)
[10:32] <jenda> Nah, can't do that yet. Will do once the wiki is in working order.
[10:35] <jenda> matthewrevell: don't highjack threads in the mailing list :) Change the 'subject' accordingly.
[10:50] <matthewrevell> jenda: eh?
[10:51] <matthewrevell> What I've hijacked?
[10:54] <jenda> I meant the meeting thread, it wasn't related to the meeting anymore, really. Just for future reference.
[10:55] <matthewrevell> jenda: You mean my post that was about using the mailing list to discuss things before the meetings? It's directly related to what we discussed in the meeting.
[10:56] <jenda> It was directly related to what we discussed in the meeting, but not the meeting itself. In the same manner, we could discuss just about anything in that thread just because it was discussed at the meeting.
[10:57] <jenda> which would make a mess, wouldn't it?
[10:57] <matthewrevell> Not sure I agree. The thread is about the meeting, people expressed a disatisfaction with the way the decisions were made in the meeting and I responded to that.
[10:58] <matthewrevell> Threads going off-topic can be a problem but there has to be some wriggle room
[10:59] <silbs> jenda, jsgotangco: the approval of members in edubuntu is a privilege granted by the CC to edubuntu because edubuntu has a well functioning community, good team leadership, etc.
[10:59] <silbs> the marketing team is too young to do that right now, and it's not necessary
[10:59] <jsgotangco> ahh k
[10:59] <silbs> the CC grants membership, I think it's premature to talk about the marketing team adding another layer there
[10:59] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:00] <silbs> as teams mature, the teams are obviously in a better position to know who is contributing. So the CC delegates the rights to grant membership to a sub-council of sorts. That happens now for edubuntu, and kubuntu, will start to happen for the forums
[11:00] <silbs> next are the art and doc team
[11:00] <silbs> the marketing team will be able to do that in time too, but needs to establish itself a bit more before the CC will grant that
[11:01] <jenda> silbs: agreed - we didn't plan to do that just yet.
[11:01] <jenda> (and haven't decided if we even want to at all - I don't think we do)
[11:02] <jsgotangco> well it is too early for sure =)
[11:06] <silbs> jenda: okay, I may have misunderstood. From the email and this discussion I thought you were moving towards an approval process for team members. I think the team should be open to anyone and everyone, whether or not they actively participate.  The core, active people will become readily identifiable over time.
[11:12] <jenda> silbs: Yes, it is open to anyone and everyone. We have, however, pruned the list and keep it moderated to prevent bloating again.
[11:12] <jenda> Membership is granted for being interested, no more, no less.
[11:23] <jenda> silbs: would you have a second to discuss the mailing list?
[11:48] <jenda> matthewrevell: damn :) sorry for triple post there :)
[11:53] <matthewrevell> jenda: No probs :)
[12:05] <jenda> eft! I'll never get used to that default setting, another one coming, matthewrevell, sorry :(
[12:08] <matthewrevell> :)
[12:09] <jsgotangco> if you use LP to file bugs what will you file it against with?
[12:09] <jsgotangco> i dunno it'll only add noise to the bug tracker
[12:13] <matthewrevell> jsgotangco: Fair point that we can't file it against a package.
[12:13] <matthewrevell> Not sure about noise, which is why I asked the list. I'm not a dev and I don't do bug triage, so I don't know what would be considered unhelpful.
[12:16] <matthewrevell> Thinking about it, it may not be the best way to handle things. Is there an alternative, within Launchpad, that would help us track work, be visible to the community, etc?
[12:17] <jenda> If there isn't, there should be.
[12:19] <matthewrevell> jenda: Yeah, it would certainly help non-code related activity. I'll look into it.
[12:20] <jenda> There are many things that aren't directly coding - eg. translation has a great integration in LP.
[12:20] <jsgotangco> create specs even
[12:25] <matthewrevell> jsgotangco: cool :) Thanks.
[12:33] <hybrid> pretty well, insomniac, but well, yourself?
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> and HEP!
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> ping marketing.team
[01:23] <matthewrevell> hi :)
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> have a look at http://shenki.homeip.net/ubuntu-au and then http://shenki.homeip.net/ubuntu-au/add for what one of the Ubuntu-au team roughed up last night for our meetings, based on the marketing teams table
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> and dont use the 'add' bit - you cant remove yet ;P
[01:28] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: rather nice ;)
[01:28] <jenda> Perhaps the table could be pacified a bit.
[01:29] <jenda> (as in even width columns etc.)
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, he did it in about 30-60 min last night. i thought it might be interesting to $people :)
[01:29] <jenda> very, very.
[01:29] <matthewrevell> Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, nice. Much easier to have a script than manually edit the wiki.
[01:30] <jenda> Yes - except hours seem to be much more relevant on an international team than days
[01:30] <matthewrevell> jenda: Easily fixed, though, I'd have thought.
[01:30] <jenda> Of course.
[01:30] <matthewrevell> s/fixed/altered
[01:30] <jenda> just a remark ;)
[01:30] <matthewrevell> Yeah :)
[01:31] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm noting that down. I'll forward it to our wiki manager...
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, cool. just warn them its a home adsl link, so it may not be fast or always up :)
[01:32] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: could we have/use/modify the source of that?
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, pm him directly, hes 'shenki'
[01:32] <jenda> k
[01:34] <matthewrevell> jenda: Quick OT - whereabouts are you in Czechia?
[01:34] <jenda> Abouts in Prague
[01:35] <matthewrevell> ah. I visited Prague and a place called Nov Mesto nad Metuj back in 2001
[01:35] <matthewrevell> loved the place
[01:36] <jenda> That's a very nice town, really.
[01:36] <matthewrevell> Yeah, I  enjoyed it there.
[01:37] <matthewrevell> I came for Sylvestre (spelling?)
[01:38] <matthewrevell> biab
[01:39] <digitalmouse> greetings programs!
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ak. um. jenda, i think your next meeting time is wrong - 1st of january ;)
[02:13] <jenda> yes, it's an arbitrary time.
[02:13] <jenda> was gonna put 0 0 0 0, but seemed wrong.
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> threw me right out ;)
[02:14] <jenda> wow - no mail in the last ten minutes.
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[02:30] <jenda> silbs, would you have a minute to discuss the mailing list?
[02:37] <jenda> nvm, will send mail
[02:38] <jenda> matthewrevell: my notes say you were supposed to put something on the mailing list today... but I don't remember what it was :-D
[02:41] <jenda> matthewrevell: it was the topic of whether or not the team needs a team leader/coordinator/contact - I'll be the acting contact point till that is decided on the list, please bring the topic up.
[02:42] <jenda> aaand, you've got mail.
[02:42] <digitalmouse> better than 'goes celebate' jenda (sorry, could not resisit) :-p
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, sorry - is the next meeting this sunday?
[02:43] <jenda> Yes, I think all email I send to Jane on behalf of the MT, I'll CC to the project leaders (but not the entire list, unless it's an open discussion type of message)
[02:43] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: WHAT???
[02:44] <jenda> who what when where - WHY?
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, its a qustion o_0
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> *quest
[02:44] <jenda> AH
[02:44] <jenda> Can be, of course
[02:45] <jenda> If there's need and an agenda, I've got no problem with it.
[02:45] <jenda> But I won't be there.
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> well i'm asuming the 28th meetin gin /topic is yesterday
[02:45] <jenda> And I'm off
[02:45] <jenda> gah
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:46] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: you're responsible now.
[02:46] <jenda> ;)
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, :o wow
[02:47] <jenda> and so is matthewrevell
[02:47] <jenda> buh bye!
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'v been here about 12 hours o_0
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate
[02:47] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, but I know you are reliable and know your way around IRC
[02:47] <jenda> :)
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe, cool :) later mate
[02:48] <jenda> For example, sara would be a no-brainer, but she's barely ever on IRC so there's no point in giving her access.
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> j
[02:53] <matthewrevell> Woo, I return from lunch to discover I have rights :)
[02:53] <digitalmouse> and lefts too perhaps? :-)
[02:54] <matthewrevell> :)
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[03:00] <digitalmouse> yay, a bit off topic, but my ferret is now an EU citizen
[03:00] <digitalmouse> :-D
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> er...
[03:01] <dotwaffle> jenda: No worries =)
[03:03] <digitalmouse> jenda go sleepy-sleepy I think
[03:04] <dotwaffle> digitalmouse: It's ok, I was replying to a message he sent me at 07:34BST ;)
[03:05] <digitalmouse> heh
[04:23] <jenda> but busy
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb
[04:48] <jenda> Happy Birthday_Kaiser
[05:08] <nixternal> good morning to all
[05:08] <jenda> morning
[05:09] <Birthday_Kaiser> hi nixternal  :)
[05:09] <nixternal> happy birthday Kaiser!!!
[05:09] <Birthday_Kaiser> thanks nixternal :)
[05:39] <KenSentMe> Happy birthday to you Birthday_Kaiser
[05:39] <Birthday_Kaiser> thanks KenSentMe :)
[07:29] <Birthday_kgoetz> night all :)
[07:29] <Birthday_kgoetz> catch you all tomorrow
[07:32] <KenSentMe> Have a nice birthday
[07:32] <Birthday_kgoetz> catch you in ~12 hours :)
[07:33] <Birthday_kgoetz> night all :)_
[08:09] <nixternal> i might be a retard...well i am a retard but i found this little blot on about.com for marketing....   http://marketing.about.com/od/strategytutorials/a/marketingkit.htm   "Time To Move Up From the Worn-Out Sales Brochure"
[08:09] <nixternal> i find it interesting, with good info on creating the kit
[08:13] <Bigtoe> is there a guidline for marketing kits or is it up to the individual?
[08:18] <nixternal> i really don't know Bigtoe
[08:18] <nixternal> MarketingTeam is currently restructuring to become MASSIVE!!! ;)
[08:20] <jenda> Bigtoe: there will be once Spreadubuntu is up :)
[08:21] <Bigtoe> jenda: is there a timeframe for that?
[08:21] <Bigtoe> i am not in a hurry, but i would like to have some time to put something together for a massive lan party
[08:21] <Bigtoe> which is in september
[08:21] <jenda> Bigtoe: at least till the end of august, unfortunately, perhaps longer :(
[08:22] <jenda> Don't rely on SU
[08:22] <nixternal> jenda: i should have logo by the end of today
[08:22] <nixternal> im working on MT design now
[08:22] <jenda> nixternal: I'm leaving in about an hour.
[08:22] <Bigtoe> i will work with my loco to put something together
[08:23] <jenda> Bigtoe: we'd appreciate if you shared it with us then :)
[08:23] <Bigtoe> i will
[08:23] <nixternal> what i will do jenda, is create a scratch page, and then when you get back, you can approve it, or recommend more work..then we can make the scratch active
[08:24] <jenda> Sounds great :)
[08:24] <jenda> scratch page of SU?
[08:24] <jenda> or ... something else?
[08:24] <nixternal> no..MT wiki ;)
[08:25] <nixternal> a layout design..that way there you can choose to go with the design, or we can make further changes..instead of flat out changing the current wiki while you are gone
[08:25] <nixternal> i can make it like w.u.c/MTwikiDesign  for a temp page..nothing permanent..then copy the code over upon approval
[11:19] <Bigtoe> nixternal: are you working on the SpreadUbuntu project?
[11:19] <nixternal> nope
[11:20] <nixternal> that is all jenda
[11:20] <Bigtoe> hmm
[11:21] <Bigtoe> what i am planning on doing doesn't really fit into any of the current projects
[11:22] <Bigtoe> except maybe the exposure part of spreadubuntu
[11:23] <Bigtoe> i wish i had joined yesterday morning rather than this morning so i could have been present at the meeting.
[11:25] <nixternal> hehe
[11:25] <nixternal> you could always work on it, and then propose it i guess
[11:26] <nixternal> create your own little project for a proposal..as it won't hurt and there is no rule that says you can't ;)
[11:26] <Bigtoe> that is true
[11:31] <tonyyarusso> I myself would like to have someone just pick a layout for the spreadubuntu site and start getting content up.  Change it later if you want, sure, but I'd really like to see it be up ASAP regardless.
[11:32] <nixternal> you and i both
[11:33] <Bigtoe> I understand the need to have a solid plan, but it would be nice to have something up.
[11:33] <tonyyarusso> Especially at this particular time.  Dapper has been released, ShipIt CDs are starting to arrive, and we have (supposedly) about 6 months to Vista release.
[11:35] <Bigtoe> nixternal said something about a scratch site...maybe more than one should be created based on jenda's outline so he can look at them when he gets back.
[11:36] <nixternal> it would never hurt...however i won't speak on jenda's behalf on that one ;)
[11:36] <Bigtoe> nor would i
[11:36] <nixternal> +1 though honestly from me on that idea Bigtoe ;)
[11:38] <Bigtoe> i don't know if jenda is planning on designing the site or just approving anothers design
[11:42] <nixternal> ya i have no clue on that either
[11:43] <Bigtoe> like usual, i think of the good questions for him AFTER he leaves. :-|
[11:45] <nixternal> haha
[11:45] <nixternal> and he said he is going to be internetless too i believe..but he did say he would try to pop in and check up