[12:25] <cbx33> I'm back
[12:25] <cbx33> :p
[12:26] <cbx33> and now everyone has gone :(
[12:28] <DanielC> it's late for most of us.
[12:28] <DanielC> It's late in Europe.
[12:28] <DanielC> I'm going to bed soon.
[12:28] <cbx33> I know
[12:28] <DanielC> Where are you located?
[12:28] <cbx33> I should be in bed
[12:29] <cbx33> UK
[12:29] <DanielC> ok, another European :)
[12:29] <DanielC> Well... I'm off...
[12:29] <DanielC> good night.
[12:30] <LaserJock> I'm here
[12:30] <cbx33> w00t
[01:15] <divansantana> Hey everyone!
[01:15] <divansantana> I was wondering if anyone here knows how to simply VNC to LTSP users desktop?
[01:17] <divansantana> I know kde can have vnc session running but prob is how do you specify to vnc to which desktop because there could be 21 VNC sessions running on a Linux terminal server becuase of 21 users for exampe
[01:18] <divansantana> any ideas at all?
[01:27] <lecaros> hi guys
[01:28] <jsgotangco> good morning
[01:40] <bddebian> Hello
[05:13] <mhz> jsgotangco: got a sec?
[05:13] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:32] <purserj> quick question, does edubuntu use the same livecd installer as Dapper?
[05:32] <mhz> jsgotangco: oops, sorry I did not notice your answer
[05:32] <jsgotangco> =)
[05:33] <jsgotangco> purserj: pretty much the same, its a desktop CD for Edubuntu (no LTSP)
[05:33] <mhz> purserj: yup, but it does add edubuntu stuff instead and no LTSP env.
[05:33] <purserj> sweet, thanks
[05:34] <mhz> jsgotangco: let's say I make edubuntu-latino (2 light desktops + edubuntu apps + LTSP + latinamerican artwork)
[05:35] <jsgotangco> and?
[05:35] <mhz> jsgotangco: would that mean I only need edubuntu-server only + the stuff I aforementioned?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> umm its a bit more complex than that
[05:36] <mhz> or, each edubuntu app has been compiled with some diff specs?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> you will have to make your own seeds
[05:36] <jsgotangco> hmm wonder if that's a good idea (seeds)
[05:37] <mhz> seeds are not good idea now
[05:38] <jsgotangco> basically you build on top of a standard ubuntu install
[05:38] <jsgotangco> i think janimo is the best guy to ask
[05:38] <jsgotangco> he's a really nice guy in real life
[05:38] <mhz> hehehe
[05:38] <mhz> yeah
[05:39] <mhz> well, I will try this (may change it later but...):
[05:39] <jsgotangco> it can be a nice learning experience as well, making your own derivative
[05:39] <mhz> dsslive framework would give me a ubuntu-core squeleton only
[05:40] <mhz> once i get that, I have to apt get install whatever I want
[05:40] <mhz> and then run a couple of scripts
[05:40] <mhz> and that is it
[05:40] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:40] <mhz> so, my doubts were regarding those apt-get installs
[05:45] <mhz> jsgotangco: well, thx
[05:46] <mhz> you cleared my mind
[05:47] <mhz> oh, but then, if I only have to apt-get install edubuntu-server + edubuntu apps (no edubuntu-desktop because it would give me GNOME)
[05:47] <mhz> I need no seed, right?
[05:51] <jsgotangco> youd still need that
[05:51] <jsgotangco> youre doing a new CD right?
[05:52] <lecaros_away> !ping
[05:52] <ubotu> pong
[05:56] <lecaros_away> mhz
[05:57] <mhz> pong
[05:57] <mhz> pong lecaros_away 
[05:57] <mhz> si tu nick no esta registrado...no nos veremos en PM
[05:57] <lecaros_away> est registrado man
[05:57] <HedgeMage> hiy all
[05:58] <HedgeMage> hey even
[05:58] <mhz> lecaros_away: este mismo?
[05:58] <mhz> HedgeMage: hey you and TT
[05:58] <lecaros_away> sure
[05:59] <HedgeMage> mhz: TT is, thankfully, in bed
[05:59] <mhz> hehehe, and you are getting some peace o' mind
[06:07] <HedgeMage> yep
[07:36] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: hey jonathan how are you doing?
[07:37] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hi jerome. going good, although the week flashed by very quickly
[07:37] <jsgotangco> yes it does
[07:37] <highvoltage> it's been a similar week to last week, we've been planning and discussing things. i'm getting tired of discussing, i just want to start doing now.
[07:37] <jsgotangco> discussing what?
[07:38] <jsgotangco> are assigned to some targets?
[07:38] <highvoltage> tuxlabs is turning into a commercial company over the next month or so, there's a lot of work involved.
[07:39] <HedgeMage> hi guys
[07:39] <highvoltage> tuesday and wednesday was almost entirely legal and admin stuff. quite daunting.
[07:39] <highvoltage> hi HedgeMage 
[07:39] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: targets?
[07:39] <jsgotangco> for dapper
[07:39] <jsgotangco> err edgy
[07:40] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: better than illegal and admin stuff
[07:40] <highvoltage> heh. no, at least not that i know of. you?
[07:40] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: for sure!
[07:40] <HedgeMage> :D
[07:40] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i'm going to do things like the diskless fat clients, even though it's been defered to edgy+1
[07:41] <highvoltage> it's been defered because the authentication spec has been defered, but at the very least i want everything except the authentication part to work fine before the end of july.
[07:42] <HedgeMage> :)
[07:51] <IamEthos> what is the difference between edubuntu and ubuntu?
[08:42] <cbx33> Now that help.ubuntu.org is online, shoudn't we have a dns record pointing there from help.edubuntu.org ?
[08:44] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I think we should either get some edubuntu stuff on there (preferable) or not make the record, or we'll jsut confuse people.
[08:44] <HedgeMage> of course, that is moot if edubuntu stuff was added since I last looked
[08:46] <cbx33> there is edubuntu stuff there
[08:47] <HedgeMage> in that case we should do it :)
[08:48] <HedgeMage> I told you I may be behind the times 
[08:48] <HedgeMage> This week has been hellishly busy
[08:48] <cbx33> HedgeMage: mines been pretty bad too
[08:48] <cbx33> but getting better now
[08:49] <HedgeMage> Mine will start getting better on Sunday or so
[10:26] <doktoreas> hi to all!
[10:27] <doktoreas> are there apps to teach geograpy inside edubuntu?
[10:32] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[10:33] <jsgotangco> there is none installed by default but there are a few geography apps available
[10:35] <doktoreas> jsgotangco: have you got a list o those apps?
[10:36] <jsgotangco> education-geography - DebianEdu applications for geography
[10:36] <jsgotangco> kgeography - geography learning program
[10:36] <jsgotangco> kgeography-data - maps and flags for kgeography
[10:36] <jsgotangco> libgeography-nationalgrid-perl - Class for a point and to transform coordinate systems
[10:36] <jsgotangco> kgeography looks interesting
[10:36] <doktoreas> i'll check thx
[10:37] <jsgotangco> ahhh its a game..
[10:38] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:28] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[11:30] <jsgotangco> hey
[11:30] <jsgotangco> for some reason im listening to elvis again
[11:31] <jsgotangco> argghhh
[11:31] <jsgotangco> now i know why
[01:14] <DanielC> Who is in charge of documentation?
[01:16] <cbx33> check the wiki
[01:17] <cbx33> it's jsgotangco
[01:17] <DanielC> I want to add a user guide for OpenOffice.org to Universe, and I need to talk to someone who can tell me how to proceed.
[01:18] <DanielC> Ok, I'll talk to jsgotangco when he's around, thanks.
[01:18] <DanielC> I didn't have any luck in #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-doc :(
[01:20] <ogra> DanielC, talk to doko, it can probably go to main even
[01:20] <ogra> (doko is the OO.o maintainer)
[01:20] <DanielC> Great. Where can I find doko?
[01:20] <ogra> #ubuntu-devel 
[01:20] <DanielC> Ok.
[01:22] <DanielC> I need to talk to someone, get some opinions. For example, this user guide is in OpenDocument format, not DocBook. So we need to think about what to do (e.g. leave them in their current format and add a menu entry from OOo).
[01:23] <DanielC> brb
[01:27] <DanielC> ogra: Do you have doku's email address? I think email would be better for the initial explanation.
[01:27] <ogra> doku@ubuntu.com  :)
[01:27] <DanielC> :)
[01:28] <DanielC> Thanks.
[01:29] <cbx33> ogra: any news on the meeting?
[01:30] <ogra> cbx33, i talked to pygi a bit before already, we'll just share the load, each of us can develop one feature ...
[01:31] <cbx33> ok
[01:31] <ogra> as long as it gets implemented as specced, all should be fine
[01:31] <cbx33> sounds good
[01:40] <DanielC> Email sent. :)
[02:23] <kditty> i have a question, my boss is home schooling my kid and he needs to show proof of work and everything, so i was wondering if edubuntu allows you to print out the work that you do for proof to show the school administration
[02:40] <Most_Wanted> if you have a printer?
[02:53] <kditty> yes there will be a printer
[02:53] <kditty> what im asking is edubuntu ideal for home schooling? i checked the live cd out and it looks really nice so i want to set him up with it and save him some time from homeschooling
[02:55] <MagicFab> ~seen mhz
[03:02] <cbx33> kditty: it would be fine for those needs
[03:03] <kditty> cbx33, thanks
[03:20] <sbalneav> Morning ogra rodarvus
[03:21] <DanielC> Is there a way to reset the MySQL root password?
[03:21] <rodarvus> sbalneav, hi there
[03:21] <DanielC> Provided that you have Unix root access.
[03:21] <rodarvus> DanielC, (late response to the OOo guide) I suggest we leave it in OpenDocument format
[03:22] <rodarvus> since it is the native format of OpenOffice.org itself
[03:22] <DanielC> rodarvus: Ok.
[03:22] <rodarvus> and likely won't be maintained by us
[03:22] <DanielC> rodarvus: That sounds like a good idea. At least for the time being.
[03:22] <rodarvus> if desired, it is trivial to even add a OOo menu item to open the guide
[03:23] <DanielC> That would be great (adding an OOo menu). I tried to figure out how to do it, but couldn't.
[03:23] <DanielC> I'm sure it's just one of those menu.xml files.
[03:24] <DanielC> rodarvus: Are you involved in either the Documentation project or the OOo package?
[03:25] <rodarvus> DanielC, I was an OpenOffice.org developer in a past life
[03:25] <rodarvus> (actually, I developed a derivative of OOo for almost two years)
[03:25] <DanielC> Cool. Few people outside Sun ever manage to make sense of OOo's codebase ;-)
[03:26] <rodarvus> yes, its a long learning path
[03:26] <rodarvus> our team was made of 9 (good) programmers, which I hired very carefully
[03:27] <rodarvus> it basically took all of them two months to be productive
[03:27] <DanielC> What was that derivative called? What did it do?
[03:27] <rodarvus> FreeOffice
[03:28] <DanielC> I haven't heard of it. It might have been before I got involved in OOo.
[03:28] <rodarvus> it has improved spell checker and grammar checker, native support for VBA macros, support to MS Access documents, and hundreds of small features to make it look like MS Office :)
[03:28] <DanielC> That's impressive. Those are things that the current OOo hasn't managed.
[03:29] <rodarvus> right, and "look like ms office" is surely not one of the main targets of OpenOffice.org
[03:29] <rodarvus> the main target of this project was to make a seasoned MS Office user able to use FreeOffice without any training
[03:29] <DanielC> Yes, and IMO I don't think it should be. But compatibility is high on the agenda.
[03:30] <rodarvus> DanielC, btw, what is your name?
[03:30] <DanielC> Daniel Carrera
[03:30] <rodarvus> hah!
[03:30] <rodarvus> I know who you are :)
[03:30] <DanielC> :)
[03:30] <DanielC> What's your name? Have we met at OOo?
[03:31] <rodarvus> no, I haven't had the chance to go to any OOo conference
[03:31] <DanielC> ok
[03:31] <rodarvus> and pretty much left the OOo community since I left this job :/
[03:31] <DanielC> Well, I'm not really involved in OOo anymore. I found it was too much trouble.
[03:32] <rodarvus> its very time consuming
[03:32] <DanielC> I found that getting the leads to accept my work was a lot more difficult than doing the work itself.
[03:33] <rodarvus> when the other developers on our team became productive, I basically had to stop programming myself, to integrate all their code, and OOo itself on our codebase
[03:33] <DanielC> I didn't just "quit" overnight, but I sort of drifted into other things slowly.
[03:33] <rodarvus> one thing that was quite sad was that some of the features worked inside Sun were not public to the community
[03:34] <rodarvus> so we lost a few manmonths doing stuff that suddenly appeared in the source code
[03:34] <DanielC> oh... :(
[03:34] <DanielC> Yeah, that's not a good way to work in a FOSS project.
[03:34] <rodarvus> I believe some/most of this is solved, past 2.0 (since they want to go for time based releases)
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya
[04:06] <jsgotangco> good evening
[04:12] <sbalneav> Anyone seen our Teutonic Free Software Warrior (ogra) around?  Evening jsgotangco!!!
[04:12] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:12] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[04:12] <jsgotangco> i've seen him in #devel
[04:12] <sbalneav> Or is he packen das boxen?
[04:13] <ogra> nope
[04:13] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[04:13] <ogra> i'm just busy merging packages from debian :)
[04:14] <sbalneav> Cool.
[04:15] <ogra> just did fuse 
[04:15] <jsgotangco> das merging das packagen
[04:15] <ogra> paket :)
[04:15] <sbalneav> So, I've got another dumb question.  I'm trying to muddle about in the source tree I got yesterday.
[04:15] <ogra> shoot
[04:16] <sbalneav> How do I actually "build" ubuntu's LTSP?  I'm assuming I'm going to get a server side "ltsp-build-standalone" package, and then a couple of customized client-side packages, yes?
[04:17] <ogra> no, you get a source package that you can build then
[04:18] <ogra> we'll need to add a generic build system i guess for your requirements (makefile etc)
[04:19] <sbalneav> Well, no need to rush into that.  If you could just point me at the sequence of commands.  I'd like to learn how you're doing it now, so that full grokking and enlightenment may be obtained on my part.
[04:19] <ogra> you can build it manually with: fakeroot debian/rules binary
[04:19] <ogra> run that in the source dir
[04:20] <sbalneav> ah, of course.
[04:20] <ogra> hmm, you probably need the debhelper scripts etc
[04:20] <sbartleylinux> morning ogra, sbalneav.
[04:21] <ogra> apt-get install build-essential dpkg-dev devscripts
[04:21] <ogra> if you want to do "real" package development build yourself a pbuilder https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[04:21] <sbalneav> yeah, I'll get 'em.   I know how to check it out now, from yesterday.  I guess my goal today is to actually wrap my head around how to "build" it, so that I've got a firm grip on what to do once we start modifying it.  So you may (unfortunately) have to answer a couple of more dumb questions before the weekend's through :)
[04:22] <sbalneav> sbartleylinux: morning.
[04:22] <sbartleylinux> sbalneav: how was Paris?
[04:23] <sbalneav> Excellent.  Good food, great scenery, and fantastic people.  The ubunteros are always a blast to hang out with, and the Parisiens were very friendly as well.
[04:24] <sbartleylinux> cool.  welcome back.
[04:24] <sbalneav> thx
[04:24] <jsgotangco> Great food?
[04:24] <jsgotangco> surely you jest
[04:24] <sbartleylinux> ogra: did you ever get a chance to talk to sbalneav or jammcq about how the print server was getting called?
[04:24] <bddebian> jsgotangco: :-)
[04:24] <jsgotangco> its probably the stalest bread outside my place ive ever tasted
[04:25] <jsgotangco> the good food, great scenery is actually 40min away by train
[04:25] <jsgotangco> and costs 16 per visit
[04:25] <sbalneav> jsgotangco: You'll notice that jammcq and I went DOWNTOWN for dinner most nights.
[04:26] <jsgotangco> but there were 2 smart guys who bought weeklong tickets for 33 and told us about it 2 days before the summit ended
[04:26] <sbalneav> next time, hang with the j-dog and the Crazy Canuck and you'll eat like a kind.
[04:26] <sbalneav> s/kind/king/
[04:26] <sbartleylinux> And that is the truth.;)
[04:27] <jsgotangco> and there was one guy with a porsche who didn't even let us experience how fast he drives
[04:27] <jsgotangco> =D
[04:27] <sbalneav> jsgotangco: You've seen the two of us in person now.  Do we LOOK like the kind of person who CAN'T find a good meal?
[04:27] <sbartleylinux> lol.
[04:27] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:27] <sbartleylinux> I miss the Autobahn.
[04:28] <jsgotangco> what the hell i just received spam in french now
[04:29] <sbalneav> So ogra tells me: I'm driving to Paris, and I ask him if he's bringing the Porsche.  And he says "No, it brings me". LOLOL  jammcq and I were laughing our butts off in the airport.  Ogra tries to hide it, but he's really quite a funny guy.
[04:30] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:30] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:30] <sbalneav> brb, must. have. more. coffee.
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all, if you look at the top bar its got huge (doubel sized) icons. http://users.on.net/~goetz/karl/scrolling.png has anyone else seen it?
[04:33] <jsgotangco> wow that's huge
[04:33] <jsgotangco> did that do it by default?
[04:33] <rodarvus> Kamping_Kaiser, it looks like your panel is using icon sizes from another (probably accessibility) theme
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> jsgotangco, yes, the first update on edgy
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> it seems to be the default edubuntu theme, and if i keep it as is and just change the icons it rezises properly
[04:36] <rodarvus> Kamping_Kaiser, yes, the theme is really EdubuntuColors
[04:36] <ogra> gnome in edgy is not even half built
[04:36] <ogra> dont expect it to work properly
[04:37] <rodarvus> actually, don't expect Edgy to work at this time :)
[04:37] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, i wouldnt run edgy yet
[04:37] <rodarvus> its supposed to be quite broken for the next weeks
[04:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, i see ;)
[04:38] <ogra> sbartleylinux, nope, not yet, but he has many questions, so we can trade them ;)
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm aware its supposed to break, its the fun of it. i was just wondering if jumbo top bars were part of the deal :)
[04:38] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: are you taking over xorg?
[04:38] <ogra> (sorry, i'm particulary busy with merges so i'm not watching IRC often atm)
[04:38] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, "taking over" is an exageration :)
[04:38] <rodarvus> I'll help sync our X packages with debian's
[04:39] <rodarvus> and hopefully, later update it to 7.1
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:39] <rodarvus> funny thing is, infinity left for vacation today
[04:39] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:39] <rodarvus> and fabbione will likely do the same in the next few days :)
[04:39] <jsgotangco> i was talking to fabbione a few hours ago and said he's not maintaining it anymore =)
[04:40] <rodarvus> other devs I've poked at didn't bothered much about X
[04:40] <jsgotangco> so welcome our new xorg overlord
[04:40] <rodarvus> glup
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[04:40] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: just to let you know i did a bunch of bug rejects today...mostly old, unmaintained bug reports
[04:41] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, I've seen it, thanks :)
[04:41] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, do you know if there is any other QA person triaging X bugs?
[04:41] <jsgotangco> nope people fear it
[04:42] <jsgotangco> i the only community guy who seems to do it
[04:42] <rodarvus> btw, I'll /query you so we don't spam #edubuntu
[04:42] <jsgotangco> zakame is doing his SoC project so he hasn't been visible for a while
[04:45] <rodarvus> I'm looking for highvoltage, but he went offline a few hours ago
[04:45] <rodarvus> did he told anyone if he plans to come back online today?
[04:45] <sbartleylinux> ogra: k.  This is becoming a priority for us.  We only have about two weeks left before we go to alpha on our project.
[04:47] <sbartleylinux> ogra: np. please let me know if there is work we can do to help with this.  I will pull our developers in to help.
[05:16] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: where did you go?
[05:16] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: ^^
[05:19] <rodarvus> haha
[05:19] <rodarvus> I was helping my daughter with her lunch
[05:39] <Yagisan> Why is it, even the simplest of build systems hate me today ?
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[05:41] <Yagisan> at least I can read what my cmake file is supposed to do hours after writing it, unlike autotools
[05:44] <RobinShepheard> hello all
[05:44] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:45] <RobinShepheard> hiya jsgotangco, how are you??
[05:45] <jsgotangco> ahh just lookiing at some bugs and rejecting them at will
[05:45] <RobinShepheard> lol
[05:45] <Laser_away> excellent
[05:46] <sbalneav> Morning LaserJock 
[05:47] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav 
[05:51] <RobinShepheard> hiya LaserJock 
[05:52] <LaserJock> hi  RobinShepheard 
[05:53] <RobinShepheard> I maybe mad I know but in attempt to understand the full edubuntu/ubuntu system I have just nuked my laptop and have built debian system on it
[05:53] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:53] <RobinShepheard> it has provided me with a chance to get into some of the nitty gritty of the system that is hidden byt edubuntu/ubuntu
[05:53] <RobinShepheard> such as intel wireless cards :(
[05:54] <RobinShepheard> took several hours to get that working properly
[05:54] <LaserJock> heh
[05:55] <RobinShepheard> how does edubuntu/ubuntu handle things like that, is it a case of the modules being built automagically, where as on debian they have to be done by hand
[05:56] <RobinShepheard> are they even the same modules or do we have a custom version??
[05:56] <LaserJock> not sure
[05:56] <RobinShepheard> I am not sure where to look to find out either
[05:57] <LaserJock> I'm guessing in the kernel package ;-)
[05:57] <RobinShepheard> given the development model, would these questions be better aimed at the ubuntu lists do you reckon
[05:58] <LaserJock> hmm, you might try ubuntu-user if you do
[05:59] <RobinShepheard> hmm not a bad plan. I just decided while I can use the system with few problems, I would like to understand it better so that I can do more
[05:59] <RobinShepheard> eg how the whole thing is put together
[06:00] <RobinShepheard> then maybe I can help with the development a bit
[06:00] <RobinShepheard> rather than just stand on the side lines so to speak
[06:00] <LaserJock> good idea
[06:01] <RobinShepheard> I thought so, and I figured as the underlying system is debian, I would start there and work up
[06:01] <LaserJock> I usually just learn by digging in, I have given up on the idea that I can know how my computer works from the ground up :-)
[06:02] <RobinShepheard> fair point, I was just thinking of the interaction in the os itself, eg bits like the modules and stuff
[06:02] <RobinShepheard> and how the installer works
[06:03] <LaserJock> go for it! I wish I had time to do that more
[06:04] <RobinShepheard> well, I am sort of tying it into work, as I am, with the bosses approval, looking at a migration from windoze to linux
[06:04] <RobinShepheard> so some reseach time and a few of the books are on them
[06:05] <LaserJock> that's the way to do it
[06:05] <RobinShepheard> well i DO try
[06:06] <RobinShepheard> oh and I am also trying to move flats at the mo, so I am not around as much as usual
[06:07] <RobinShepheard> I have to wait for internet to be connected at the new flat
[06:15] <LaserJock> rodarvus: dang, they got you working quick!
[06:15] <bluekuja> LaserJock, hello :)
[06:15] <rodarvus> LaserJock, yes, that was fast
[06:15] <LaserJock> hi bluekuja 
[06:15] <bluekuja> oh hello rodarvus 
[06:15] <rodarvus> actually I was asked to do that in Paris
[06:15] <jsgotangco> he got framed up
[06:15] <rodarvus> bluekuja, hello
[06:15] <bluekuja> LaserJock, I need to ask you something in pm
[06:15] <bluekuja> :)
[06:16] <LaserJock> k
[06:23] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: who works on g-a-i?
[06:24] <jsgotangco> mvo and glatzor mostly, i just send useless patches
[06:24] <LaserJock> I'm liking it more and more every day
[06:24] <jsgotangco> we work on it in a bzr mainline but branch as well
[06:25] <jsgotangco> that's nice to know
[06:25] <LaserJock> if only I could code, I'd have so much fun working on these things ;-)
[06:25] <RobinShepheard> I got to go, see you all around sometime
[06:26] <jsgotangco> heh its the reverse on my side, i could code (not great though), but i can barely make a proper package heh
[06:26] <jsgotangco> its mostly python and glade work
[06:26] <LaserJock> cool, I'm a big python+glade fan
[06:27] <jsgotangco> bzr has been great help on it
[06:28] <LaserJock> yeah? pete and I have been using bzr for the gisomount thing. very nice
[06:29] <jsgotangco> yeah the actually app has already 300+ revisions so it can be a bit slow sometimes especially using the visualization tool
[06:29] <LaserJock> yeah, that's really my only complaint with bzr, it's not as fast as I'd like it to be
[06:30] <jsgotangco> https://launchpad.net/products/gnome-app-install/+branches
[06:31] <LaserJock> heh
[06:31] <LaserJock> love the branch name ;-)
[06:31] <LaserJock> or I guess that's the author
[06:33] <jsgotangco> the new one for edgy will be using popcon data =D
[06:33] <LaserJock> hmmm
[06:34] <LaserJock> do we have much of any popcon data yet?
[06:34] <jsgotangco> its been running for quite a while so i guess yes
[06:34] <LaserJock> we really should use it better
[06:34] <jsgotangco> its installed by default but not activated
[06:34] <LaserJock> right
[06:34] <jsgotangco> so we will probably ask people to activate if if the want to
[06:34] <LaserJock> it'd be nice to have a popup after install or something that offers to activate
[06:35] <LaserJock> because I'm guess the percentage of people who even know about it is quite small and biased towards more advanced users
[06:37] <jsgotangco> i dunno the strategy for that yet but we all have it in our computers at the moment so its just a matter of turning them on with the user's knowledge
[06:37] <jsgotangco> and consent
[06:38] <jsgotangco> awww geeezzz and i though germany was bound to lose
[06:39] <jsgotangco> not that it'll affect ogra =)
[06:51] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:51] <LaserJock> cya jsgotangco 
[07:45] <LaserJock> ogra: do you think it would be any help if I were to poke somebody about getting dynamic-menus reviewed?
[07:47] <ogra> poke mdz
[07:50] <DanielC> LaserJock: Thanks for writing the Packaging Guide :)
[07:50] <DanielC> LaserJock: I heard that you're responsible for it...
[07:50] <bddebian> Yeah, LaserJock is DA MAN
[07:51] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:51] <LaserJock> DanielC: well, I had lots of help
[07:51] <DanielC> I do admit that I struggle with the debian/rules part though... but the rest has been great so far.
[07:52] <LaserJock> well, debian/rules has all the action so it is a bit difficult to explain
[07:52] <LaserJock> the other files are fairly predictable
[07:52] <mdz> ogra: s/mdz/the review team/
[07:52] <mdz> ogra: poke me when it's ready for approval
[07:52] <DanielC> LaserJock:  I guess that it could merit a chapter of its own...
[07:52] <ogra> oh, sorry
[07:53] <ogra> right
[07:53] <DanielC> LaserJock: But even for someone who has written a couple of Makefiles before, debian/rules is not very clear...
[07:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:54] <DanielC> LaserJock: Can you tell me where this "debian/tmp" directory is?
[07:58] <jsgotangco> hmm
[07:59] <jsgotangco> couldn't sleep
[07:59] <DanielC> jsgotangco: Where are you located? What time is it for yoU?
[07:59] <DanielC> u
[07:59] <jsgotangco> almost 2am
[07:59] <jsgotangco> (manila)
[07:59] <DanielC> ok
[07:59] <bddebian> DanielC: Usually under the build dir.  So if I have foo-1.2  it would be foo-1.2/debian/tmp
[08:00] <LaserJock> DanielC: where do you see debian/tmp? in the hello packages?
[08:00] <cbx33> hey peeps
[08:00] <cbx33> what's shakin
[08:00] <DanielC> LaserJock: The packaging guide, when explaining debian/rules
[08:00] <LaserJock> k
[08:00] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[08:00] <cbx33> hi bddebian 
[08:00] <cbx33> hi LaserJock DanielC 
[08:04] <juliux> hi cbx33 
[08:05] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[08:07] <LaserJock> DanielC: btw, you are welcome to send patches for the Packaging Guide ;-)
[08:08] <DanielC> LaserJock: :)  If I can figure out how to make packages, I wouldn't mind contributing a little bit.
[08:09] <DanielC> I just don't want to over-commit myself.
[08:10] <LaserJock> DanielC: hehe, no pressure. I just want to let everybody know they can send in patches no problem
[09:17] <cbx33> Hi LaserJock 
[09:19] <LaserJock> hi
[09:19] <cbx33> how are you
[11:23] <HedgeMage> hiya
[11:23] <DanielC> hey
[11:24] <DanielC> Question: What's your role in Ubuntu?
[11:24] <DanielC> I'm still trying to learn the cast...
[11:25] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:25] <LaserJock> that's a cool way of putting it
[11:25] <DanielC> :)
[11:25] <crimsun> huge cast.
[11:25] <crimsun> 6 billion cast members.
[11:26] <DanielC> I'll start with Ubuntu members ;-)
[11:28] <LaserJock> it's kind of odd when community people are involved, in the corporate world you get a job title :-)
[11:28] <HedgeMage> I'm mostly focused on cookbook right now but I plan to take on some dev stuff once cookbook is in shape
[11:28] <DanielC> You can still say "I usually work documentation"...
[11:29] <DanielC> HedgeMage: Ok, thanks.
[11:29] <crimsun> documentation is sorely overlooked and just about the most critical part of the distro
[11:29] <DanielC> I'd love to contribute to documentation, but I'm too over committed. I'm committed to the OpenDocument Fellowship...
[11:30] <DanielC> While we're on the topic of documentation, I have this idea of adding an OpenOffice.org user guide to Ubuntu.
[11:30] <DanielC> The OOoAuthors team (http://oooauthors.org) has written some.
[11:30] <DanielC> Disclaimer: I founded this project, so I'm biased.
[11:31] <crimsun> if you could help integrate/expand with example-content, that would rock
[11:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:31] <DanielC> I'm trying to figure out if/how this could be added to Ubuntu.
[11:31] <DanielC> (the OOo user guides... they're very good...)
[11:32] <DanielC> I'm hoping to find someone who can discuss this idea with me. Maybe someone from the documentation project.
[11:33] <crimsun> -> LaserJock 
[11:33] <crimsun> #ubuntu-doc, too.
[11:33] <DanielC> I didn't get a lot of response at #ubuntu-doc...
[11:33] <DanielC> LaserJock, are you the documentation guy here?
[11:34] <crimsun> one of several iirc
[11:34] <LaserJock> oh sorry
[11:34] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:35] <DanielC> The OOo user guide is in OpenDocument format.
[11:35] <LaserJock> there's no inherent reason why docs *can't* be included
[11:35] <LaserJock> it's a matter of finding the right place, I think
[11:35] <DanielC> These guides are very good, really :)  They went through an amazing review process guided by some expert tech editors.
[11:36] <LaserJock> and they aren't included with OOo itself?
[11:36] <DanielC> FYI: http://oooauthors.org/en/authors/userguide2/
[11:36] <DanielC> No, they aren't.
[11:36] <DanielC> OOo only comes with its Help system.
[11:37] <DanielC> I was thinking that we should have packages in Universr like 'openoffice.org-starter-guide' and 'openoffice.org-writer-guide'.
[11:37] <LaserJock> that's kinda what I was thinking
[11:37] <DanielC> Right now there are 3 published guides: Getting started; Writer guide; Drawing guide.
[11:37] <DanielC> :)
[11:38] <DanielC> I'm happy to learn how to make .deb files and maintain the package if that would help.
[11:38] <LaserJock> hmm, looks like quite a bit of content
[11:39] <DanielC> Each guide is a medium-sized book.
[11:39] <LaserJock> hmm, what would be cool is to package those up and then have a pointer to them in the Example Content
[11:40] <DanielC> What is "Example content"? A directory on the Live CD? A website?
[11:41] <LaserJock> it's a new package that was introduced in Dapper
[11:41] <DanielC> Ok.
[11:41] <LaserJock> it is a folder that has example content for various media formats
[11:41] <LaserJock> there is a link to it on a new users Desktop
[11:41] <DanielC> That does sound like a good idea. If you want examples of OpenDocument files...
[11:41] <DanielC> Ok, I know which one you're talking about now.
[11:42] <DanielC> I would do cartwheels if these guides made them to the Live CD under Example Content.
[11:42] <DanielC> That would be just awesome.
[11:43] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure if the can go in there directly since it would be a lot of space
[11:43] <DanielC> Yes. The Getting Started Guide is almost 10MB uncompressed.
[11:43] <LaserJock> but I'm sure it can be noted in there at least, or perhaps having a sample page
[11:43] <DanielC> The Writer guide is bigger.
[11:44] <DanielC> Maybe include *only* the Getting started guide. That's where new users would start anyways, and it introduces a bit of everything.
[11:44] <LaserJock> well, the LiveCD is already strained for space and the package would have to be in Main
[11:44] <DanielC> I see.
[11:44] <LaserJock> but you should definately talk to Henrik about it
[11:45] <DanielC> Who is Henrik? How do I reach him?
[11:46] <LaserJock> DanielC: https://launchpad.net/people/henrik and he does the example content
[11:46] <DanielC> Ok, I'll talk to him.
[11:46] <LaserJock> DanielC: but for sure we can make a Universe package for edgy
[11:46] <DanielC> And who would I talk to about including them in Universe?
[11:46] <LaserJock> me ;-)
[11:46] <DanielC> :-D
[11:46] <DanielC> Awesome.
[11:47] <DanielC> They are under a free license btw. GPL and Creative Commons Attribution.
[11:47] <LaserJock> yeah, first thing i looked for ;-)
[12:09] <bddebian> Heya