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bddebianHowdy01:40
nixternalhowdy01:52
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DaSkreechhowdy03:14
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DaSkreechHobbsee: hi!04:31
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Hobbseehi DaSkreech 04:31
Hobbseehehe04:31
freeflying|away Hobbsee hi04:31
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freeflyingimbrandon: ping04:32
Hobbseehey freeflying 04:32
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imbrandon_pong04:33
imbrandon_heya Hobbsee04:33
Hobbseehi imbrandon_ :)04:34
=== Hobbsee is back to nice kde
=== Hobbsee pats kde
imbrandon_hehehe04:34
Hobbseei'd never realised how few apps gnome actually has installed on a live cd04:34
imbrandon_lol04:34
freeflyingimbrandon_: need your kopete package, heh04:34
Hobbseei think there are more normally, but there isnt even a decent IRC package there04:35
imbrandon_http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete04:35
imbrandon_^^ freeflying thats the latest04:35
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imbrandon_or did you mean amarok ?04:36
imbrandon_Hobbsee: why was you on a ubuntu live cd ?04:36
freeflyingimbrandon_: kopete, thanks04:37
Hobbseeimbrandon_: cos i got given it, and i was wondering how the final release of gnome looked, and if i wanted to run gnome as well for edgy.04:37
imbrandon_i made a custom kubuntu live cd today for myself with dev tools all already installed and w32codecs libdvdcss oo.o replaced by koffice etc ;)04:37
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freeflyingimbrandon_: nice04:37
imbrandon_turned out to be a livedvd ( 900+ mb ) LOL04:38
imbrandon_but i can use it on the road etc , or as a repair cd etc04:38
imbrandon_with all the goodies installed that cant be distributed or arent installed by default like koffice or firefox ;)04:39
imbrandon_pluss a nicer theme / wallpaper04:39
imbrandon_;)04:39
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Hobbseehi mornfall 04:48
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nixternalwhee04:51
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Hobbseeheya nixternal 04:54
nixternalhiya Hobbsee04:54
Hobbseehttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates04:55
Hobbseeany major edgy problems today?04:55
robHobbsee, how can I jump on a couple of them?04:58
Hobbseerob: stick your name next to whichever you want to take05:06
robcool :)05:07
robnew to merging, so I'll only take one or two for the time being I guess05:07
jsgotangcohey05:09
robhi jsgotangco 05:09
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alterooOk05:20
=== Hobbsee makes a backup - it's edgy time!
alterooI'm logged into my machine via ssh05:21
robHobbsee, your whole pc?05:21
Hobbseerob: no, spare partition05:22
alterooXorg has gone nuts05:22
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alterooCan I kill it and restart it from the command line in one line?05:22
jsgotangcochroots rule05:23
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Hobbseerob: so do i, but...05:25
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robs/ideal/idea05:27
Hobbseerob: it's never a good idea05:27
robheh05:27
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=== Hobbsee will be most annoyed if this all decides not to work.
DaSkreechWhat group does a person have to be in to get audio?05:31
Hobbseethe audio group?  um05:32
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imbrandon_...05:34
imbrandon_audio05:34
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imbrandon_heh05:35
imbrandon_Hobbsee: #kubuntu05:35
Hobbseeimbrandon_: heh05:36
imbrandon_lol05:36
Hobbseei wonder how bz2'ifying a .tar.gz works.05:37
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imbrandon_Hobbsee:  just untar ungzip it and then bzip it ?05:39
Hobbseeimbrandon_: could do that, it just was doing it thru the backup of my home dir.05:39
Hobbseei think i should have just left this pbuilder stuff out of the backup.05:40
imbrandon_heheh05:40
Hobbseeoh, sudo got fixed, didn tit?05:41
imbrandon_yup05:42
Hobbseegood05:42
imbrandon_now khtml engine was giving me issues ;)05:42
Hobbseenow we're into the edgy.base.tgz05:42
imbrandon_hehe05:42
Hobbseehehe05:42
Hobbseeyou know, if i'm going to install edgy, it *might* help if i find both dapper cds.05:43
imbrandon_lol05:43
DaSkreechDesktop and Alternate?05:43
Hobbseeflight 6 alternate, and desktop yeah05:44
Hobbseedesktop is ubuntu, not kubuntu (bleck)05:44
imbrandon_you just need unlimited internet ;)05:44
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imbrandon_netsplit05:46
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Hobbsee_okay, it's edgy time.05:55
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ubuntuimbrandon_: linux partitions dont care if they're extended, not primary, do they?06:14
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DaSkreechLive CD? :)06:14
crimsunthey're logical06:14
Hobbseeyeah06:14
crimsunwhether those partitions are primary or inside an extended is moot06:14
DaSkreechOh good grief06:16
Hobbseecrimsun: i'm  just finding that i cant create more than 4 partition06:16
Hobbsees06:16
DaSkreechyou made them all primary?06:16
Hobbseei'm thinking so06:16
Hobbseeit didnt give me the option06:16
DaSkreechWell then unmake some :)06:16
Hobbseebleh06:17
DaSkreechYou would think a nice of -10 would make something run faster06:18
Hobbseei'll just use the alternate cd.06:18
DaSkreechyay! :)06:18
crimsunHobbsee: DOS limitation06:18
DaSkreechYou are jumping to Edgy?06:18
crimsunHobbsee: you can only have 4 primarys06:18
Hobbseecrimsun: i realise that, but the live cd wont let me use extended partitions at all - option is greyed out06:19
Hobbseeoh well, i tlet me format part of windows :)06:19
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Hobbseecan i just copy one partition to another safely?06:19
Hobbseeor do i have to install twice?06:19
HobbseeDaSkreech: yeah, reformatting dapper, and having another dapper dist upgraded ot edyg06:20
Hobbseeoh well, see you all in a bit.06:20
DaSkreechWell then06:21
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sarahheya all!06:57
Hobbseenow, do we know if i can just copy oover this new dapper partition to a partition of the same size, or do i need to run the install again for the new partition06:58
freeflyingHobbsee: needn't07:01
Hobbseefreeflying: as in, i dont have to rerun the install?07:01
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imbrandon_wb07:03
sarahheya :)07:03
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imbrandon_awww lol07:05
Hobbseebleh07:05
Hobbseesomeone else had it registered07:05
imbrandon_j/k07:05
imbrandon_ahh that sucks07:05
imbrandon_[00:05]  <-> nickserv> info sarah07:05
imbrandon_[00:05]  [Notice]  -NickServ- The nickname [Sarah]  is private07:05
imbrandon_bleh07:05
Hobbseeyeah07:06
=== Hobbsee wonders how copying a partition changes the MBR.
imbrandon_must be an ircop or somehting07:06
Hobbseeor just a paranoid person, yeah07:06
imbrandon_Hobbsee: it dont07:06
Hobbseenice07:06
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Hobbseeimbrandon_: you know how to connect to a smb share via the console at all?07:11
imbrandon_yup07:11
Hobbseehow?07:11
imbrandon_make sure smbfs is installed ( isnt by default ) then ....07:12
Hobbseeholy shit!07:12
Hobbseeso that's what happens when you cat /dev/urandom07:13
Hobbseehehehehe07:13
imbrandon_mount -t smbfs -o username=winuser,password=win_pass,uid=linux_user,gid=admin,rw //windowscomp_ip/share /mount/point07:13
imbrandon_you cat'd dev rrandom ? lol07:13
Hobbseehmmm.07:13
Hobbseeyeah, figured why not?07:13
Hobbseedrat, mum's home07:13
imbrandon_lol07:13
imbrandon_the uid and gid on that command is the user that will own all the files when mounted07:14
imbrandon_like uid=sarah,gid=admin or somesuch07:14
imbrandon_is what you want07:15
Hobbseebah, i just did it via GUI07:15
Hobbseethanks anyway, i'll probably mess with automounting it07:16
imbrandon_lol07:16
imbrandon_its almost the same thing in fstab07:16
imbrandon_just wanna make sure smbfs is installed ;)07:16
Hobbseeright, yep07:18
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Hobbseeyay, custom xorg.conf does wonders to be able to actually read the screen!07:37
Hobbseeack, not all of .kde copied :(07:39
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Hobbseehi Lure 07:53
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Lure_hi Hobbsee08:01
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DaSkreechHobbsee: Hi!!08:40
Hobbseehey DaSkreech!!!!08:40
DaSkreechEdgy?08:40
Hobbseeit's a lot quicker doing a server install :P08:40
Hobbseeno, but it will become edgy08:40
DaSkreechI was going to say that when you logged off08:41
DaSkreech Thats what I was typing :-)08:41
Hobbseehehe08:41
Hobbseeit wouldnt let me just copy the partition, i dont know why08:41
Hobbseeubiquity is really nice though, from what i saw, before i hit cancel!08:41
HobbseeDaSkreech: upgrading08:51
DaSkreechGo man go!08:53
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Hobbsee543kbps, nice :)08:53
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Hobbseehey raphink 08:56
raphinkhi Hobbsee08:56
=== Hobbsee is upgrading to edgy :)
raphinkgreat :)08:57
Hobbseeimbrandon_: ping?08:59
imbrandon_pong08:59
Hobbseeimbrandon_: got edgy packages for amarok? it's broken09:00
Hobbseeone of the bits needs syncing09:00
imbrandon_hmm no but you can add my sources and apt-get -b source amarok09:00
imbrandon_OR the dapper package shuold work09:01
Hobbseetrue...09:01
=== Hobbsee is just trying to get kubuntu-desktop installed
imbrandon_hehe09:01
Hobbseemaybe i shouldnt have server installed hehe09:01
imbrandon_http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages09:02
imbrandon_if it complains about a key its in pubkey.html in the same dir09:02
imbrandon_deb http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages ./09:03
imbrandon_deb-src http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages ./09:03
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Hobbseeyeah, i can find it09:04
Hobbseehmmm...09:04
Hobbseeah, kdebase is a package i want :)09:05
imbrandon_heh09:08
Hobbseelibtunepimp2-dev is the package i need.  bleh.09:09
Hobbsee!09:10
ubotuI know nothing about !09:10
Hobbsee!find libtunepimp209:10
imbrandon_lol09:10
ubotuFound: libtunepimp2-dev, libtunepimp2c2a09:10
Hobbsee!find libtunepimp2 edgy09:10
ubotuNo packages matching 'libtunepimp2' could be found09:10
Hobbsee!info libtunepimp209:10
ubotuPackage libtunepimp2 does not exist in dapper09:10
Hobbsee!info libtunepimp2-dev09:10
ubotulibtunepimp2-dev: MusicBrainz tagging library -- development files. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.3.0-9.1ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 315 kB, installed size 1436 kB09:10
Hobbsee!info libtunepimp2-dev edgy09:10
ubotuPackage libtunepimp2-dev does not exist in edgy09:10
Hobbseebleh, that sucks.09:10
=== Hobbsee might grab the dapper package of that.
imbrandon_heh09:11
imbrandon_full dapper install then upgrade ;)09:11
nixternalwo0t..musicbrainz in the repository09:14
DaSkreechWhat about Picard?09:14
nixternalwell i shouldn't say musicbrainz..but the libpimp is09:15
Hobbseeah, that k-d package is borked.09:16
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imbrandon_heya \sh09:19
Hobbseehi \sh 09:19
nixternalwhats up \sh09:19
Hobbseeno, amarok's borked, it needs a dep changed.09:19
\shmoins09:19
imbrandon_mine or the one in the repo ?09:19
imbrandon_Hobbsee: i'll recompile mine in ~7 hours for edgy ( in the bedroom with the lappy and is to lazy to get up and goto the dev machine and turn it on )09:21
Hobbseeimbrandon_: yeah, cool.   the repo one09:21
imbrandon_i need to make a few other changes to the amarokrc anyhow09:21
Hobbseeif someone wants to fix the repo one, that'd be cool too.09:21
Hobbseebut it is in main, and does need syncing09:21
imbrandon_once i fix mine it can be uploaded to edgy i imagine09:21
imbrandon_since edgy == new stuff ;)09:21
imbrandon_i'll poke Ridd*ell about it in the morning when i rebuild it and i'll also pop it on revu09:22
Hobbseetrue09:22
Hobbseejust make sure it's synced properly09:22
imbrandon_so he wont forget09:22
Hobbseeat least i have a mostly working dappe rnow09:22
Hobbseeheya Riddell 09:22
imbrandon_yea i will thats why i'll have to rebuild it09:23
imbrandon_one for dapper / kubuntu.org and one for edgy09:23
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imbrandon_lol09:23
Hobbseei mean, i probably *could* get away with using dapper again, installing kde, then dist-upgrading agian - but it's unlikely09:24
Hobbseeor i'll just reformat again, and install dapper, then dist-upgrade tonight09:24
imbrandon_heheh09:24
Hobbseehey!  it's the end of the month!09:25
imbrandon_;)09:25
Hobbseethere's all this bandwidth free and available09:25
imbrandon_ahhh grab all the iso's then ;)09:25
Hobbseeheh09:26
Hobbseeit'll get shaped after 10gb09:26
alleenixternal: ping09:29
Hobbseehey allee 09:29
alleeHi Hobbsee09:29
alleeHobbsee: things start to normalize here since the the Australian soccer team left09:30
imbrandon_doh09:31
imbrandon_heya allee09:31
alleehi imbrandon_ 09:31
alleeand hi to all too of course09:31
DaSkreechHow do I resize a photo in Krita?09:37
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MrFaberhi all11:05
MrFaberI think that kubuntu has a cosmetic bug. If you click with the right mouse button on Desktop and choose "Create New" "Text Document" or any other office document it creates a koffice file instead of an openoffice file and koffice isn't installed by default. The problem is that this koffice files aren't useinge the Oasis format.11:07
MrFaberIt could make a bad impression for beginners11:07
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MrFaberanother point is that the standard format of koffice in dapper is oasis so it doesn't make sense if koffice is installed12:28
jsgotangcohmm that was a bit contradictory12:29
MrFaberjsgotangco, sorry, I posted it according to12:30
MrFaberI think that kubuntu has a cosmetic bug. If you click with the right mouse button on Desktop and choose "Create New" "Text Document" or any other office document it creates a koffice file instead of an openoffice file and koffice isn't installed by default. The problem is that this koffice files aren't useinge the Oasis format12:30
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alleeMrFaber: heh, cool feature :>)01:40
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MrFaberallee, ?02:35
Hobbseehi all02:35
MrFaberhi Hobbsee 02:35
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jjessemonring02:37
Hobbseehi jjesse 02:37
Hobbseejjesse: whatever you're thinking of doing, dont bother doing a server install of dapper, dist upgrading, then trying to install kde desktop.02:37
Hobbseeit borks.02:37
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alleeMrFaber: text document != odf format02:53
MrFaberallee, koffice uses oasis in dapper version (1.5)03:04
MrFaberallee, so it uses odt for text03:04
alleeI understand. 'cool' was ironic.  I would have never found this because I don't use this feature03:05
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MrFaberallee, same here but it is a bug and it gives a bad impression for people useing it03:10
alleeMrFaber: Agreed03:11
alleeMrFaber: as a workaround: a) copy whatever you like as a odt template to /usr/share/templates/.source/odf_text.odt03:21
alleeMrFaber: b) change at the end of /usr/share/template/TextDocument.desktop  URL=.source/odf_text.odf03:22
alleeMrFaber: mhmm the files are part of koffice-data.  Assumed that koffice-data is not installed without kword, kpreseter etc the user should be able to open is03:28
allees/is/it/03:28
jjesseit would be cool if you could set launchpad up to remind you about bugs you worked on like in 3 weeks or soemthing like that so you don't forget about 03:29
alleejjesse: -> #lauchpad ;)03:29
alleejjesse: but there's at least bugs assigned to you.  You've to actively check it, well but not that bad03:31
jjesseyeah i know that, but i always forget the ones i'm subscribed to :)03:32
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bddebianHeya04:00
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MrFaberallee, I know how to fix, but it have to be fixed imho. And koffice-data ist part of kubuntu-desktop afaik04:05
bddebianHey jjesse04:05
alleeMrFaber: can you submit a but in lauchpad? (koffice-data)04:05
MrFaberallee, I could but for what exactly? kubuntu-desktop, koffice-data?04:06
alleeMrFaber: koffice-data.04:07
alleeMrFaber: fwiw IMHO the create new should be changed to start the apps, instead of create a empty document04:09
MrFaberIs there a pendant for openoffice?04:09
alleekword04:09
alleeeh koffice ;)04:09
MrFaberallee, or just use oasis-documents so there is no problem with openffice04:09
MrFaberand koffice isn't part of kubuntu-desktop04:10
MrFaber:)04:10
MrFaberI think that nearly everyone needs doc and xls files04:10
alleehell no!  let then create/usr open format then they can export to doc xls04:11
MrFaberallee, with openoffice?04:12
MrFaber:)04:12
alleeMrFaber: koffice not in kubuntu-desktop is a bug too.  But it's a tricky choice and space in CD is limited ;)04:12
alleeMrFaber: ah right only import.  Well, it's easier to install ooo on windows than to work with doc&co in linux ;)04:13
MrFaberallee, or just koffice can save doc and xls ;)04:13
MrFaberI think koffice is good and starts fast but oo has much more features and very well importers/exporters04:14
alleewell, sometimes I dream (badly) that it can ;)04:14
MrFaberallee, the problem isn't kubuntu desktop04:14
MrFaberallee, krita needs koffice-data04:14
MrFaberallee, but at least koffice-data in dapper should use oasis-documents04:15
MrFaberor don't install templates04:15
alleeMrFaber: It may be a good idea to move the desktop and templates files to their corresponding binary pkgs.04:16
MrFaberallee, yeah, that would be grea04:17
MrFaber+t04:17
alleebut sounds more it's meat04:17
MrFaberbut don't know how to post04:17
allee'k.  This should also be for sure coordinated with debian.04:18
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=== Hobbsee warns all people that merges are MUCH easier with the MoM.
alleeMoM?04:26
Hobbseemerge-o-matic04:26
=== allee brain leaks horrible
Hobbseeallee: see recent logs of u-devel04:28
alleenevertheless. No merging is nevertheless easier ;)04:29
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jjessemorning kwwii04:48
Hobbseehi kwwii 04:48
alleehi kwii04:48
alleekwwii: 10 min -> TV ;)04:51
jjesseworld cup game?04:51
alleeyeah 04:51
jjessedoes it show by that comment that i'm ammerican?04:51
MrFaber:)04:52
alleesee you later04:57
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HobbseeRiddell: ping?05:30
nixternalmoins06:15
Hobbseehi nixternal 06:16
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_Simeis RIddell away or on vacation now?07:35
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alleeyeah!!!09:00
DaSkreechYeah!!!09:01
DaSkreechWhat?09:01
alleeSoccer world cup :) :)09:04
DaSkreech5-309:05
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Tm_Mhi09:09
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Tm_MI still don't be in dapper-time :p09:10
Tm_Mhmm, borky sentence09:11
alleeDaSkreech: right :)09:13
=== allee TV time again
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kwwiire10:44
DaSkreechhi kwwii10:45
DaSkreechare you paid by Canonical?10:45
kwwiiDaSkreech: kinda10:45
DaSkreechok. 10:45
kwwiitheoretically yes, but until I finally send them a bill, no :p10:45
DaSkreechpaid in peanuts10:46
kwwiiDaSkreech: why?10:46
kwwiihehe, exactly10:46
DaSkreechAn article was writtenabout Paris that said that Canonical only pays one person in Kubuntu10:47
kwwiiwell, I am "artist in chief" for the edgy kubuntu release10:47
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kwwiiand I did pretty much the same for dapper10:47
kwwiibut I am only a contractor10:47
kwwiiso not a fulltime employee10:48
DaSkreechok10:48
DaSkreechWheras Riddell is ?10:48
kwwiiyepp10:51
kwwiimy first contract was for 15 hours a week10:51
kwwiiand the new one will be for 2410:51
kwwiistill haven't got the new one yet, but I trust Mark :-)10:52
DaSkreechha :-)10:53
DaSkreechHe does have a Drake on his plane10:53
kwwiihehe10:54
kwwiifyre renders "Peter de Jong" maps10:55
kwwii nifty10:59
kwwiitoo bad it is gtk10:59
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DaSkreech:-) 11:00
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