[01:40] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:52] <nixternal> howdy
[03:14] <DaSkreech> howdy
[04:31] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: hi!
[04:31] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech 
[04:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:31] <freeflying|away>  Hobbsee hi
[04:32] <freeflying> imbrandon: ping
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying 
[04:33] <imbrandon_> pong
[04:33] <imbrandon_> heya Hobbsee
[04:34] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon_ :)
[04:34] <imbrandon_> hehehe
[04:34] <Hobbsee> i'd never realised how few apps gnome actually has installed on a live cd
[04:34] <imbrandon_> lol
[04:34] <freeflying> imbrandon_: need your kopete package, heh
[04:35] <Hobbsee> i think there are more normally, but there isnt even a decent IRC package there
[04:35] <imbrandon_> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete
[04:35] <imbrandon_> ^^ freeflying thats the latest
[04:36] <imbrandon_> or did you mean amarok ?
[04:36] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: why was you on a ubuntu live cd ?
[04:37] <freeflying> imbrandon_: kopete, thanks
[04:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: cos i got given it, and i was wondering how the final release of gnome looked, and if i wanted to run gnome as well for edgy.
[04:37] <imbrandon_> i made a custom kubuntu live cd today for myself with dev tools all already installed and w32codecs libdvdcss oo.o replaced by koffice etc ;)
[04:37] <freeflying> imbrandon_: nice
[04:38] <imbrandon_> turned out to be a livedvd ( 900+ mb ) LOL
[04:38] <imbrandon_> but i can use it on the road etc , or as a repair cd etc
[04:39] <imbrandon_> with all the goodies installed that cant be distributed or arent installed by default like koffice or firefox ;)
[04:39] <imbrandon_> pluss a nicer theme / wallpaper
[04:39] <imbrandon_> ;)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> hi mornfall 
[04:51] <nixternal> whee
[04:54] <Hobbsee> heya nixternal 
[04:54] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[04:55] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates
[04:55] <Hobbsee> any major edgy problems today?
[04:58] <rob> Hobbsee, how can I jump on a couple of them?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> rob: stick your name next to whichever you want to take
[05:07] <rob> cool :)
[05:07] <rob> new to merging, so I'll only take one or two for the time being I guess
[05:09] <jsgotangco> hey
[05:09] <rob> hi jsgotangco 
[05:20] <alteroo> Ok
[05:21] <alteroo> I'm logged into my machine via ssh
[05:21] <rob> Hobbsee, your whole pc?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> rob: no, spare partition
[05:22] <alteroo> Xorg has gone nuts
[05:22] <alteroo> Can I kill it and restart it from the command line in one line?
[05:23] <jsgotangco> chroots rule
[05:25] <Hobbsee> rob: so do i, but...
[05:27] <rob> s/ideal/idea
[05:27] <Hobbsee> rob: it's never a good idea
[05:27] <rob> heh
[05:31] <DaSkreech> What group does a person have to be in to get audio?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> the audio group?  um
[05:34] <imbrandon_> ...
[05:34] <imbrandon_> audio
[05:35] <imbrandon_> heh
[05:35] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: #kubuntu
[05:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: heh
[05:36] <imbrandon_> lol
[05:37] <Hobbsee> i wonder how bz2'ifying a .tar.gz works.
[05:39] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee:  just untar ungzip it and then bzip it ?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: could do that, it just was doing it thru the backup of my home dir.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> i think i should have just left this pbuilder stuff out of the backup.
[05:40] <imbrandon_> heheh
[05:41] <Hobbsee> oh, sudo got fixed, didn tit?
[05:42] <imbrandon_> yup
[05:42] <Hobbsee> good
[05:42] <imbrandon_> now khtml engine was giving me issues ;)
[05:42] <Hobbsee> now we're into the edgy.base.tgz
[05:42] <imbrandon_> hehe
[05:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:43] <Hobbsee> you know, if i'm going to install edgy, it *might* help if i find both dapper cds.
[05:43] <imbrandon_> lol
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Desktop and Alternate?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> flight 6 alternate, and desktop yeah
[05:44] <Hobbsee> desktop is ubuntu, not kubuntu (bleck)
[05:44] <imbrandon_> you just need unlimited internet ;)
[05:46] <imbrandon_> netsplit
[05:55] <Hobbsee_> okay, it's edgy time.
[06:14] <ubuntu> imbrandon_: linux partitions dont care if they're extended, not primary, do they?
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Live CD? :)
[06:14] <crimsun> they're logical
[06:14] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:14] <crimsun> whether those partitions are primary or inside an extended is moot
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Oh good grief
[06:16] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'm  just finding that i cant create more than 4 partition
[06:16] <Hobbsee> s
[06:16] <DaSkreech> you made them all primary?
[06:16] <Hobbsee> i'm thinking so
[06:16] <Hobbsee> it didnt give me the option
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Well then unmake some :)
[06:17] <Hobbsee> bleh
[06:18] <DaSkreech> You would think a nice of -10 would make something run faster
[06:18] <Hobbsee> i'll just use the alternate cd.
[06:18] <DaSkreech> yay! :)
[06:18] <crimsun> Hobbsee: DOS limitation
[06:18] <DaSkreech> You are jumping to Edgy?
[06:18] <crimsun> Hobbsee: you can only have 4 primarys
[06:19] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i realise that, but the live cd wont let me use extended partitions at all - option is greyed out
[06:19] <Hobbsee> oh well, i tlet me format part of windows :)
[06:19] <Hobbsee> can i just copy one partition to another safely?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> or do i have to install twice?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah, reformatting dapper, and having another dapper dist upgraded ot edyg
[06:20] <Hobbsee> oh well, see you all in a bit.
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Well then
[06:57] <sarah> heya all!
[06:58] <Hobbsee> now, do we know if i can just copy oover this new dapper partition to a partition of the same size, or do i need to run the install again for the new partition
[07:01] <freeflying> Hobbsee: needn't
[07:01] <Hobbsee> freeflying: as in, i dont have to rerun the install?
[07:03] <imbrandon_> wb
[07:03] <sarah> heya :)
[07:05] <imbrandon_> awww lol
[07:05] <Hobbsee> bleh
[07:05] <Hobbsee> someone else had it registered
[07:05] <imbrandon_> j/k
[07:05] <imbrandon_> ahh that sucks
[07:05] <imbrandon_> [00:05]  <-> nickserv> info sarah
[07:05] <imbrandon_> [00:05]  [Notice]  -NickServ- The nickname [Sarah]  is private
[07:05] <imbrandon_> bleh
[07:06] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:06] <imbrandon_> must be an ircop or somehting
[07:06] <Hobbsee> or just a paranoid person, yeah
[07:06] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: it dont
[07:06] <Hobbsee> nice
[07:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: you know how to connect to a smb share via the console at all?
[07:11] <imbrandon_> yup
[07:11] <Hobbsee> how?
[07:12] <imbrandon_> make sure smbfs is installed ( isnt by default ) then ....
[07:12] <Hobbsee> holy shit!
[07:13] <Hobbsee> so that's what happens when you cat /dev/urandom
[07:13] <Hobbsee> hehehehe
[07:13] <imbrandon_> mount -t smbfs -o username=winuser,password=win_pass,uid=linux_user,gid=admin,rw //windowscomp_ip/share /mount/point
[07:13] <imbrandon_> you cat'd dev rrandom ? lol
[07:13] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[07:13] <Hobbsee> yeah, figured why not?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> drat, mum's home
[07:13] <imbrandon_> lol
[07:14] <imbrandon_> the uid and gid on that command is the user that will own all the files when mounted
[07:14] <imbrandon_> like uid=sarah,gid=admin or somesuch
[07:15] <imbrandon_> is what you want
[07:15] <Hobbsee> bah, i just did it via GUI
[07:16] <Hobbsee> thanks anyway, i'll probably mess with automounting it
[07:16] <imbrandon_> lol
[07:16] <imbrandon_> its almost the same thing in fstab
[07:16] <imbrandon_> just wanna make sure smbfs is installed ;)
[07:18] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[07:37] <Hobbsee> yay, custom xorg.conf does wonders to be able to actually read the screen!
[07:39] <Hobbsee> ack, not all of .kde copied :(
[07:53] <Hobbsee> hi Lure 
[08:01] <Lure_> hi Hobbsee
[08:40] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hi!!
[08:40] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech!!!!
[08:40] <DaSkreech> Edgy?
[08:40] <Hobbsee> it's a lot quicker doing a server install :P
[08:40] <Hobbsee> no, but it will become edgy
[08:41] <DaSkreech> I was going to say that when you logged off
[08:41] <DaSkreech>  Thats what I was typing :-)
[08:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:41] <Hobbsee> it wouldnt let me just copy the partition, i dont know why
[08:41] <Hobbsee> ubiquity is really nice though, from what i saw, before i hit cancel!
[08:51] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: upgrading
[08:53] <DaSkreech> Go man go!
[08:53] <Hobbsee> 543kbps, nice :)
[08:56] <Hobbsee> hey raphink 
[08:56] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[08:57] <raphink> great :)
[08:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ping?
[08:59] <imbrandon_> pong
[09:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: got edgy packages for amarok? it's broken
[09:00] <Hobbsee> one of the bits needs syncing
[09:00] <imbrandon_> hmm no but you can add my sources and apt-get -b source amarok
[09:01] <imbrandon_> OR the dapper package shuold work
[09:01] <Hobbsee> true...
[09:01] <imbrandon_> hehe
[09:01] <Hobbsee> maybe i shouldnt have server installed hehe
[09:02] <imbrandon_> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages
[09:02] <imbrandon_> if it complains about a key its in pubkey.html in the same dir
[09:03] <imbrandon_> deb http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages ./
[09:03] <imbrandon_> deb-src http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages ./
[09:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, i can find it
[09:04] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[09:05] <Hobbsee> ah, kdebase is a package i want :)
[09:08] <imbrandon_> heh
[09:09] <Hobbsee> libtunepimp2-dev is the package i need.  bleh.
[09:10] <Hobbsee> !
[09:10] <ubotu> I know nothing about !
[09:10] <Hobbsee> !find libtunepimp2
[09:10] <imbrandon_> lol
[09:10] <ubotu> Found: libtunepimp2-dev, libtunepimp2c2a
[09:10] <Hobbsee> !find libtunepimp2 edgy
[09:10] <ubotu> No packages matching 'libtunepimp2' could be found
[09:10] <Hobbsee> !info libtunepimp2
[09:10] <ubotu> Package libtunepimp2 does not exist in dapper
[09:10] <Hobbsee> !info libtunepimp2-dev
[09:10] <ubotu> libtunepimp2-dev: MusicBrainz tagging library -- development files. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.3.0-9.1ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 315 kB, installed size 1436 kB
[09:10] <Hobbsee> !info libtunepimp2-dev edgy
[09:10] <ubotu> Package libtunepimp2-dev does not exist in edgy
[09:10] <Hobbsee> bleh, that sucks.
[09:11] <imbrandon_> heh
[09:11] <imbrandon_> full dapper install then upgrade ;)
[09:14] <nixternal> wo0t..musicbrainz in the repository
[09:14] <DaSkreech> What about Picard?
[09:15] <nixternal> well i shouldn't say musicbrainz..but the libpimp is
[09:16] <Hobbsee> ah, that k-d package is borked.
[09:19] <imbrandon_> heya \sh
[09:19] <Hobbsee> hi \sh 
[09:19] <nixternal> whats up \sh
[09:19] <Hobbsee> no, amarok's borked, it needs a dep changed.
[09:19] <\sh> moins
[09:19] <imbrandon_> mine or the one in the repo ?
[09:21] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: i'll recompile mine in ~7 hours for edgy ( in the bedroom with the lappy and is to lazy to get up and goto the dev machine and turn it on )
[09:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: yeah, cool.   the repo one
[09:21] <imbrandon_> i need to make a few other changes to the amarokrc anyhow
[09:21] <Hobbsee> if someone wants to fix the repo one, that'd be cool too.
[09:21] <Hobbsee> but it is in main, and does need syncing
[09:21] <imbrandon_> once i fix mine it can be uploaded to edgy i imagine
[09:21] <imbrandon_> since edgy == new stuff ;)
[09:22] <imbrandon_> i'll poke Ridd*ell about it in the morning when i rebuild it and i'll also pop it on revu
[09:22] <Hobbsee> true
[09:22] <Hobbsee> just make sure it's synced properly
[09:22] <imbrandon_> so he wont forget
[09:22] <Hobbsee> at least i have a mostly working dappe rnow
[09:22] <Hobbsee> heya Riddell 
[09:23] <imbrandon_> yea i will thats why i'll have to rebuild it
[09:23] <imbrandon_> one for dapper / kubuntu.org and one for edgy
[09:23] <imbrandon_> lol
[09:24] <Hobbsee> i mean, i probably *could* get away with using dapper again, installing kde, then dist-upgrading agian - but it's unlikely
[09:24] <Hobbsee> or i'll just reformat again, and install dapper, then dist-upgrade tonight
[09:24] <imbrandon_> heheh
[09:25] <Hobbsee> hey!  it's the end of the month!
[09:25] <imbrandon_> ;)
[09:25] <Hobbsee> there's all this bandwidth free and available
[09:25] <imbrandon_> ahhh grab all the iso's then ;)
[09:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:26] <Hobbsee> it'll get shaped after 10gb
[09:29] <allee> nixternal: ping
[09:29] <Hobbsee> hey allee 
[09:29] <allee> Hi Hobbsee
[09:30] <allee> Hobbsee: things start to normalize here since the the Australian soccer team left
[09:31] <imbrandon_> doh
[09:31] <imbrandon_> heya allee
[09:31] <allee> hi imbrandon_ 
[09:31] <allee> and hi to all too of course
[09:37] <DaSkreech> How do I resize a photo in Krita?
[11:05] <MrFaber> hi all
[11:07] <MrFaber> I think that kubuntu has a cosmetic bug. If you click with the right mouse button on Desktop and choose "Create New" "Text Document" or any other office document it creates a koffice file instead of an openoffice file and koffice isn't installed by default. The problem is that this koffice files aren't useinge the Oasis format.
[11:07] <MrFaber> It could make a bad impression for beginners
[12:28] <MrFaber> another point is that the standard format of koffice in dapper is oasis so it doesn't make sense if koffice is installed
[12:29] <jsgotangco> hmm that was a bit contradictory
[12:30] <MrFaber> jsgotangco, sorry, I posted it according to
[12:30] <MrFaber> I think that kubuntu has a cosmetic bug. If you click with the right mouse button on Desktop and choose "Create New" "Text Document" or any other office document it creates a koffice file instead of an openoffice file and koffice isn't installed by default. The problem is that this koffice files aren't useinge the Oasis format
[01:40] <allee> MrFaber: heh, cool feature :>)
[02:35] <MrFaber> allee, ?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:35] <MrFaber> hi Hobbsee 
[02:37] <jjesse> monring
[02:37] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse 
[02:37] <Hobbsee> jjesse: whatever you're thinking of doing, dont bother doing a server install of dapper, dist upgrading, then trying to install kde desktop.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> it borks.
[02:53] <allee> MrFaber: text document != odf format
[03:04] <MrFaber> allee, koffice uses oasis in dapper version (1.5)
[03:04] <MrFaber> allee, so it uses odt for text
[03:05] <allee> I understand. 'cool' was ironic.  I would have never found this because I don't use this feature
[03:10] <MrFaber> allee, same here but it is a bug and it gives a bad impression for people useing it
[03:11] <allee> MrFaber: Agreed
[03:21] <allee> MrFaber: as a workaround: a) copy whatever you like as a odt template to /usr/share/templates/.source/odf_text.odt
[03:22] <allee> MrFaber: b) change at the end of /usr/share/template/TextDocument.desktop  URL=.source/odf_text.odf
[03:28] <allee> MrFaber: mhmm the files are part of koffice-data.  Assumed that koffice-data is not installed without kword, kpreseter etc the user should be able to open is
[03:28] <allee> s/is/it/
[03:29] <jjesse> it would be cool if you could set launchpad up to remind you about bugs you worked on like in 3 weeks or soemthing like that so you don't forget about 
[03:29] <allee> jjesse: -> #lauchpad ;)
[03:31] <allee> jjesse: but there's at least bugs assigned to you.  You've to actively check it, well but not that bad
[03:32] <jjesse> yeah i know that, but i always forget the ones i'm subscribed to :)
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya
[04:00] <jjesse> hiya
[04:05] <MrFaber> allee, I know how to fix, but it have to be fixed imho. And koffice-data ist part of kubuntu-desktop afaik
[04:05] <bddebian> Hey jjesse
[04:05] <allee> MrFaber: can you submit a but in lauchpad? (koffice-data)
[04:06] <MrFaber> allee, I could but for what exactly? kubuntu-desktop, koffice-data?
[04:07] <allee> MrFaber: koffice-data.
[04:09] <allee> MrFaber: fwiw IMHO the create new should be changed to start the apps, instead of create a empty document
[04:09] <MrFaber> Is there a pendant for openoffice?
[04:09] <allee> kword
[04:09] <allee> eh koffice ;)
[04:09] <MrFaber> allee, or just use oasis-documents so there is no problem with openffice
[04:10] <MrFaber> and koffice isn't part of kubuntu-desktop
[04:10] <MrFaber> :)
[04:10] <MrFaber> I think that nearly everyone needs doc and xls files
[04:11] <allee> hell no!  let then create/usr open format then they can export to doc xls
[04:12] <MrFaber> allee, with openoffice?
[04:12] <MrFaber> :)
[04:12] <allee> MrFaber: koffice not in kubuntu-desktop is a bug too.  But it's a tricky choice and space in CD is limited ;)
[04:13] <allee> MrFaber: ah right only import.  Well, it's easier to install ooo on windows than to work with doc&co in linux ;)
[04:13] <MrFaber> allee, or just koffice can save doc and xls ;)
[04:14] <MrFaber> I think koffice is good and starts fast but oo has much more features and very well importers/exporters
[04:14] <allee> well, sometimes I dream (badly) that it can ;)
[04:14] <MrFaber> allee, the problem isn't kubuntu desktop
[04:14] <MrFaber> allee, krita needs koffice-data
[04:15] <MrFaber> allee, but at least koffice-data in dapper should use oasis-documents
[04:15] <MrFaber> or don't install templates
[04:16] <allee> MrFaber: It may be a good idea to move the desktop and templates files to their corresponding binary pkgs.
[04:17] <MrFaber> allee, yeah, that would be grea
[04:17] <MrFaber> +t
[04:17] <allee> but sounds more it's meat
[04:17] <MrFaber> but don't know how to post
[04:18] <allee> 'k.  This should also be for sure coordinated with debian.
[04:26] <allee> MoM?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> merge-o-matic
[04:28] <Hobbsee> allee: see recent logs of u-devel
[04:29] <allee> nevertheless. No merging is nevertheless easier ;)
[04:48] <jjesse> morning kwwii
[04:48] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[04:48] <allee> hi kwii
[04:51] <allee> kwwii: 10 min -> TV ;)
[04:51] <jjesse> world cup game?
[04:51] <allee> yeah 
[04:51] <jjesse> does it show by that comment that i'm ammerican?
[04:52] <MrFaber> :)
[04:57] <allee> see you later
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[06:15] <nixternal> moins
[06:16] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[07:35] <_Sime> is RIddell away or on vacation now?
[09:00] <allee> yeah!!!
[09:01] <DaSkreech> Yeah!!!
[09:01] <DaSkreech> What?
[09:04] <allee> Soccer world cup :) :)
[09:05] <DaSkreech> 5-3
[09:09] <Tm_M> hi
[09:10] <Tm_M> I still don't be in dapper-time :p
[09:11] <Tm_M> hmm, borky sentence
[09:13] <allee> DaSkreech: right :)
[10:44] <kwwii> re
[10:45] <DaSkreech> hi kwwii
[10:45] <DaSkreech> are you paid by Canonical?
[10:45] <kwwii> DaSkreech: kinda
[10:45] <DaSkreech> ok. 
[10:45] <kwwii> theoretically yes, but until I finally send them a bill, no :p
[10:46] <DaSkreech> paid in peanuts
[10:46] <kwwii> DaSkreech: why?
[10:46] <kwwii> hehe, exactly
[10:47] <DaSkreech> An article was writtenabout Paris that said that Canonical only pays one person in Kubuntu
[10:47] <kwwii> well, I am "artist in chief" for the edgy kubuntu release
[10:47] <kwwii> and I did pretty much the same for dapper
[10:47] <kwwii> but I am only a contractor
[10:48] <kwwii> so not a fulltime employee
[10:48] <DaSkreech> ok
[10:48] <DaSkreech> Wheras Riddell is ?
[10:51] <kwwii> yepp
[10:51] <kwwii> my first contract was for 15 hours a week
[10:51] <kwwii> and the new one will be for 24
[10:52] <kwwii> still haven't got the new one yet, but I trust Mark :-)
[10:53] <DaSkreech> ha :-)
[10:53] <DaSkreech> He does have a Drake on his plane
[10:54] <kwwii> hehe
[10:55] <kwwii> fyre renders "Peter de Jong" maps
[10:59] <kwwii>  nifty
[10:59] <kwwii> too bad it is gtk
[11:00] <DaSkreech> :-)