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[03:24] <nixternal> 799 CategoryDocumentation pages left...i just wiped out about 30 of them i think
[03:24] <nixternal> dropped it below 800 ;)
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[04:55] <nixternal> Plug_: thanks for that link about the Search and Replace..im looking into that now
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[05:07] <nixternal> it seems as if that search and replace is just for each page...it doesn't look like it would do multiple pages at once
[05:08] <nixternal> what would be nice..is have check boxes that display the category..and you can do a general search/sort and then just uncheck the box for CatDocs
[05:08] <nixternal> if that makes sense
[05:08] <jsgotangco> hey
[05:09] <nixternal> hey jsgotangco
[05:12] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/iPodVideo
[05:12] <nixternal> ^^can this be removed as it only serves as a link and shout out page it seems
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[06:06] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/APTPage
[06:06] <nixternal> ^^can this be deleted?
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[06:29] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum/software/OpenSource/MakeMoneyHowto
[06:29] <nixternal> ^^that just has to go ;)
[06:31] <LaserJock> heh
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[06:37] <cosmolax> hi
[06:37] <nixternal> hi cosmolax
[06:38] <cosmolax> dose anyone of UbuntuWeeklyNews here ?
[06:38] <cosmolax> I'm come from Taiwan
[06:38] <cosmolax> Next Week our community will have a Installfest in 7/4 2006
[06:39] <nixternal> you want to get the info on the UWN?
[06:39] <cosmolax> btw, I've translated the UWN issue #4 to ChineseTradictional
[06:39] <cosmolax> any have put it on the Ubuntu wiki :)
[06:40] <nixternal> good deal..much appreciated
[06:40] <Plug_> nixternal: another little niggle, Universe and Multiverse probably shouldn't go in {{ }}
[06:41] <cosmolax> nixternal: I just want someone on UWN know that our community will translate UWN by our docteam members :)
[06:41] <nixternal> i like that better then them being bolded...but then again, they probably don't need any  formatting
[06:41] <nixternal> they stand out that way..plus there is nothing that says otherwise on editing it that way
[06:41] <Plug_> generally, <tt> font is for things that need to be typed in
[06:42] <cosmolax> mgalvin: hi
[06:42] <nixternal> usually the stuff that gets typed in gets put into a code box
[06:42] <mgalvin> cosmolax: hi
[06:42] <cosmolax> mgalvin: sorry I delay the UWN chinese version for few weeks.
[06:43] <mgalvin> no prob, better late than never :)
[06:43] <cosmolax> mgalvin: in these weeks, our community were busy on Installfest
[06:43] <mgalvin> cool
[06:43] <nixternal> usually the {{{dafs}}} and the ~-fdjas-~ is used to emphasize something w/o using bold or italics all the time
[06:44] <cosmolax> mgalvin: that would be the 1st real Ubuntu Installfest in Taiwan. :)
[06:44] <Plug_> does Ubuntu respect boot.local?
[06:44] <Plug_> I thought it did rc.local since Dapper
[06:44] <Plug_> (per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/i915Driver, "Startup Script")
[06:45] <mgalvin> cosmolax: sweet, you should write up a short piece on it to but in the UWN
[06:45] <mgalvin> s/but/put/
[06:45] <nixternal> doesn't matter what you name a file in /etc/init.d/ as it is going to get executed none the less if im correct
[06:45] <cosmolax> mgalvin: can I ?
[06:46] <Plug_> so you would need an update-rc.d line to also activate it
[06:46] <cosmolax> mgalvin: on the issue #5 ?
[06:46] <nixternal> that is true...
[06:46] <nixternal> i think
[06:46] <mgalvin> sure, write up what you guys did and such and, yea just add it to #5 somewhere in the general community news section
[06:47] <cosmolax> mgalvin: thanks ! :) that would be great !
[06:47] <cosmolax> mgalvin: I moust discuss this good new with our members. :)
[06:48] <mgalvin> cool, go for it
[06:48] <nixternal> there has got to be a "Template" for CategoryDocumentation...as the styling guide and what others say is different.
[06:48] <cosmolax> mgalvin: maybe 3 hours later we can proviede you a piece of session.
[06:48] <nixternal> you really can't apply Documentation Style 100% to the wiki
[06:49] <mgalvin> sounds good, as long it is ready within the next 24 hours it will get into UWN #5
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[06:50] <Plug_> nixternal: fixed up
[06:50] <nixternal> thx
[07:01] <nixternal> hey Plug_..i think maybe we should work on some sort of template to apply towards CatCleanup type stuff...actually..not really a template..but an updated "Styling Guide" so we can all get on one page
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[07:20] <cosmolax> mgalvin: hi, I want ask one question. With the Installfest, we also made a Installfest-T-Shirt. And we put ubuntu logo on the T-shirt with tux + gnu, is that OK ? That would be a community T-shirt.
[07:22] <cosmolax> mgalvin: here is our Installfest Blog: http://installfesttw.blogspot.com/
[07:23] <jsgotangco> i dont see a problem as long as the logos are distinct and not combined with each other
[07:23] <mgalvin> cosmolax: cool, just add a link to it
[07:23] <jsgotangco> im sure the other logos have their own branding rules
[07:24] <jsgotangco> mm taiwan
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[07:43] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: welcome! :)
[07:45] <cosmolax> mgalvin: we also have a plan with the Edgy release. Maybe next Installfest we will have a Ubuntu girl to help us spreading our actions. :)
[07:45] <cosmolax> mgalvin: all man like cute and young girl. :)
[07:45] <jsgotangco> i bet
[07:45] <robitaille> cosmolax:  the web site has a bit of details about the use of the ubuntu logo: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy
[07:46] <cosmolax> robitaille: thanks! :) that would be helpful.
[07:48] <cosmolax> so I must contact trademarks@ubuntu.com first ?
[07:49] <jsgotangco> cosmolax: im sure you don't have to do that unless you made some pretty radical changes to the logo or will be using it to a product that would be redistributed
[07:49] <robitaille> jsgotangco:  yes my thought exactly.  
[07:49] <jsgotangco> as long as the ubuntu logo is unadulterated and retains its look you should be fine
[07:50] <jsgotangco> ie., you can just add the ubuntu logo to a new hardware product and say its compatible
[07:50] <jsgotangco> s/can/can't
[07:51] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: thanks. :) now our community T-shirt is safe ?
[07:51] <jsgotangco> cosmolax: judging from the shirt you shown in the blog, i think its ok
[07:52] <jsgotangco> cosmolax: i cannot say about the other brands though (debian, gnu) as they may have different policies regarding their branding and images
[07:52] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: wow, now I can release the stone in my hesrt. :)
[07:52] <jsgotangco> so its possible you have no issue with ubuntu but you may have a problem with GNU thats why you have to check the others too
[07:53] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: ok, I'll contact our member to do this asap. :)
=== cosmolax thanks all sweet guys. You help me so much. :)
[07:53] <jsgotangco> how organized are free software groups in taiwan?
[07:54] <jsgotangco> im just a few hours away from it by plane, should be a nice place to stop by in the future
[07:55] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: there are many free software groups in taiwan.
[07:55] <jsgotangco> i guessed correctly
[07:55] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: many people cross-participate in not only one User Group.
[07:55] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: because our community is samll.
[07:56] <jsgotangco> i could imagine
[07:56] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: with cobiding the power of many ugs, then we can do this Installfest.
[07:58] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: but many young students have interest on OSS. they would be the future.
[07:58] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: In fact,many member of our community are studnets. :)
[07:59] <cosmolax> It just a problem about time to fix the bug #1 .:)
[07:59] <Ubug2> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu Dapper "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[08:03] <cosmolax> one of my friend thinks the edubuntu would be a great effert in Taiwan.Althought in Taipei there are many schools use MS solutions.But at other places are no many money to efford of it.
[08:10] <jsgotangco> really now
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[08:11] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: that would be a long way to go in Taiwan.
[08:11] <jsgotangco> cosmolax: what do you think we lack?
[08:11] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: but also a way worth of keep going. :)
[08:12] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: we still need much more users to join us.
[08:12] <jsgotangco> cosmolax: how about awareness drives to schools and school officials? or is the software used in schools government-mandated?
[08:13] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: and in Taiwan many people are not good at english, so our doc-team will help on transalting the "file a bug" from our local group.
[08:13] <jsgotangco> cosmolax: i understand that, most east asian countries have communications barriers no matter how advanced technology is
[08:14] <jsgotangco> although i do not see it as an impediment, it more of coordination i guess
[08:14] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: in some goverment office, they have dual-boot PC. with MS Windows & Lipus Linux.
[08:14] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: but our community think lipus linux is suck.
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[08:16] <Plug_> nixternal: sure, I'd be happy to help with that
[08:17] <jsgotangco> not much results but i guess its not that good
[08:20] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: unlees there is a company can support Ubuntu, or our goverment office won't accept Ubuntu as a solution.
[08:20] <jsgotangco> interesting...
[08:21] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: Linpus Linux isn't a good choice, but it's a company and have some l10n effect.
[08:22] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: if taiwan have some company can officailly support Ubuntu, that would be a chance to make Ubuntu get in goverment office. :)
[08:23] <jsgotangco> i hear that
[08:24] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: but at this moment, It sould be good to srpead ubuntu & edubuntu at those schools lack of money.
[08:24] <jsgotangco> would a cd that defaults to tw-locale help?
[08:25] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: that would be a good solution.
[08:25] <jsgotangco> (but i assume majority of the population can understand english perfectly well, not just able to express it properly?)
[08:25] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: but our effects on launchpad.net still not good enough. :(
[08:26] <jsgotangco> zh doesn't bode well to tw right? (im probably stepping on somthing political here)
[08:27] <cosmolax> zh-cn and zh-tw Ubuntu team are cowork well.
[08:28] <jsgotangco> so a zh-cn locale should work with no problem for tw?
[08:28] <cosmolax> but those effects of l10n still have difficult of sharing.
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[08:29] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: some of my friends use zh-cn locale and got no problem.
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[08:29] <jsgotangco> what would be the differences between locales?
[08:29] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: but use zh-tw locale just got some mistakes and need be fixed.:(
[08:29] <jsgotangco> not much?
[08:30] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: it'a easy to fix them.just some things of Input method.
[08:31] <jsgotangco> yes i guess it boils down to input as well
[08:31] <cosmolax> zh-cn & zh-tw althought known as Chinese language.
[08:32] <cosmolax> but after long term of self-development in culture and eco
[08:32] <cosmolax>  of sharing.
[08:32] <cosmolax> 14:28  * jsgotangco checks how complete zh-cn is
[08:32] <cosmolax> economy
=== cosmolax sorry.
[08:32] <jsgotangco> problem is both have ISO codes that makes them distinct from each other although culturally and historically it is very much the same language
[08:33] <jsgotangco> differences may be colloquial and regional in origin
[08:33] <cosmolax> there are many term different on express.
[08:34] <cosmolax> for example the (_File) is (_F) in zh-tw, but it is (_F) in zh-cn.
[08:35] <cosmolax> all people can accept (_F) in Taiwan & HongKong, but can get used to (_F).
[08:36] <cosmolax> they would be confused on those terms in zh-cn.
[08:36] <jsgotangco> i see it can be a problem then
[08:37] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: but that wouldn't be correct, just like english also have differents between en-us and en-gb.
[08:38] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: and people would happy to see those terms belong to them, not belong to other side.
[08:39] <jsgotangco> yeah that's totally understandable
[08:39] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[08:40] <jsgotangco> does the government have a sponsored project with regards to translation upstream? (not just ubuntu)
[08:40] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: well...
[08:41] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: we have a zh-l10n team.
[08:41] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: it is a common l10n team of many upstream.
[08:42] <jsgotangco> ahh
[08:42] <jsgotangco> so its a pretty small group
[08:42] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: include kde , gnome ,gnu's l10n
[08:42] <jsgotangco> yeah the big 3 should suffice
[08:43] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: and many people just join the l10n-work by personal account.
[08:43] <jsgotangco> as most volunteer translation projects are
[08:43] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: not so officaily driven by goverment. :(
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[08:46] <BlueT_> cosmolax: here i am :p
[08:47] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: BlueT_  is our community leader. :)
[08:47] <jsgotangco> cosmolax: yeah over here we have a government-driven distribution but not translated to the national language so its a bit weird too
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[08:47] <jsgotangco> hi =)
[08:47] <cosmolax> caleb-: :)
[08:48] <cosmolax> jsgotangco: BlueT_  also is a Ubuntu Member.
[08:48] <BlueT_> hi jsgotangco :)
[08:48] <mdke> what's the issue?
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[08:49] <jsgotangco> mdke: we're just talking about l10n that's all =)
[08:49] <jsgotangco> nothing technical we can do about it for now
[08:50] <mdke> ah, not docs related?
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[08:50] <jsgotangco> it is docs related but you know how think the lines between doc and translation so...
[08:51] <jsgotangco> s/think/thin
[08:54] <BlueT_> y0 mdke :)
[08:55] <mdke> hello
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[09:42] <Madpilot> cool, the UWN blurb I wrote on gLabels is going into UWN#5
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[10:20] <cosmolax> ok, I finished the news of Ubuntu Taiwan Installfest.
[10:20] <cosmolax> Which one I should contact ?
[10:20] <cosmolax> Or I just mail to the mail-list?
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[11:05] <mdke> cosmolax: mailing list is fine
[11:06] <cosmolax> mdke: thanks! :)
[11:07] <cosmolax> mdke: we are now peerviewing the draft. When it's ok, it would be put on mail-list asap. :)
[11:07] <mdke> fine
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[01:10] <dsas> I think I remember reading that you need certain privileges to delete pages on h.u.c, how do I get those privileges?
[01:10] <DanielC> Would it be a good idea to integrate a free user guide for OpenOffice.org into Ubuntu?
[01:10] <DanielC> The team at http://oooauthors.org has written one.
[01:10] <DanielC> Disclaimer: I founded the OOoAuthors project.
[01:11] <DanielC> These user guides are very high quality, and I'd like to see them distributed more. I'm happy to learn how to make the packages and submit them to the MOTUs. I just want to know how the Documentation Team feels about this idea.
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[01:19] <dsas> DanielC: Certainly get it packaged at the very least. People are currently brainstorming how the next version of the documentation centre will look, long term it seems to be thought by some that integrating more with upstream (GNOME) docs would be better, I'd guess the same may go to Open Office too.
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[01:19] <dsas> DanielC: (I'm not a docteam member btw)
[01:19] <dsas> hello matthewrevell
[01:19] <matthewrevell> hi
[01:19] <DanielC> Ok, thanks.
[01:19] <matthewrevell> :)
[01:20] <dsas> matthewrevell: Enjoying guadec?
[01:21] <matthewrevell> dsas: I would be if I was there. I couldn't it :(
[01:22] <dsas> matthewrevell: Ah, bummer.  I thought lugradio was broadcasting from there?
[01:22] <dsas> matthewrevell: Oh, just looked at the site.
[01:23] <matthewrevell> The other three are.
[01:23] <matthewrevell> LugRadio Live soon, I'll enjoy that instead :)
[01:23] <dsas> matthewrevell: it sounds like it'll be fun
[01:23] <matthewrevell> dsas: Not able to make it?
[01:24] <dsas> matthewrevell: Maybe I'll be able to get down for a day or so. It depends on whether or not I find some summer work before then.
[01:26] <dsas> matthewrevell: GUADEC is at birmingham next year, should be a little easier to make it :)
[01:31] <matthewrevell> dsas: Birmingham or Lille, isn't it?
[01:31] <dsas> matthewrevell: Birmingham was announced as the winner yesterday
[01:36] <matthewrevell> Really?!
[01:36] <matthewrevell> How did I miss that? Cool!
[01:39] <dsas> matthewrevell: According to the gnome-uk list.
[01:40] <dsas> It was a mail from Tom Wood - who put together the bid
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[01:42] <matthewrevell> Nice one.
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[02:51] <Karderio> I can't delete a page I just created in the wiki !
[02:51] <Karderio> I've been doing a few test that left artefact pages hanging around, sorry. I have added them to the list of pages for deletion.
[02:56] <Karderio> SO, I now have a script that will replace one string of text on the wiki with another
[02:56] <Karderio> It works fine to do a straight replacement of "CategoryDocumentation" with ""
[02:57] <Karderio> It operates on a list of files, we can get the pages in "CategoryDocumentation" from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryDocumentation
[02:59] <Karderio> there is one border case with this : when you have a page that is in "CategoryDocumentation", and only that category, ant above the category list is a separator (----), it will leave the seperator with nothing underneath...
[03:00] <Karderio> don't know if this matters, I suppose we could also have it remove the seperator, but it is more work, so if it doesn't matter... ;)
[03:01] <Karderio> what does anybody think ?
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[04:53] <jjesse> did the release notes get moved to help.ubuntu.com or they still @ doc.ubuntu.com?
[04:53] <mdke> the ubuntu ones are on the website
[04:54] <jjesse> found the kubuntu ones on doc.kubuntu.com
[04:54] <jjesse> slow day at work today so i'm going to redo them :)
[04:55] <jsgotangco> wooo hooo
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[04:56] <jsgotangco> like today, i did nothing but practice merging heh
[04:56] <jjesse> grin the day before a holiday weekend
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[05:08] <jjesse> mdke: did you want the figures for addremove programs and adept updater to be in adept/figures or how did you sugest it?
[05:11] <mdke> jjesse: yes, I'd say either adept/figures/C or kubuntu/images/C
[05:11] <jjesse> i'll put them in adept/figures/C
[05:20] <jjesse> hmm hopefully i did that right
[05:24] <mdke> jjesse: are you finished with that?
[05:24] <jjesse> mdke: i think so, i need to finish all the references to the images before they will build succesfuly 
[05:27] <mdke> jjesse: great, thanks for doing that
[05:28] <jjesse> mdke; no prlbem
[05:28] <jjesse> hopefully i can get it done before the plumber calls and i have to head home
[05:31] <jjesse> getting a commit error MKCOL of '/repos!svn/wrk/715f4c20-72117-0410-b517-f7ff5652b4ff/trunk/kubuntu/adeptguide/figures/C
[05:31] <jsgotangco> upstream docs removed from trunk
[05:31] <jjesse> 405 method not allowed http://docteam.buntu.com
[05:36] <mdke> never seen that before
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[06:15] <nixternal> moins
[06:15] <LaserJock> morning nixternal 
[06:26] <cosmolax> nixternal: hi
[06:26] <cosmolax> mgalvin: hi
[06:29] <nixternal> hello
[06:31] <cosmolax> as fews hours ago I said. I sent the infos of our community's Instalfest on the ubuntu-doc mail-list
[06:32] <cosmolax> I sent to utuntu-doc@list.ubuntu.com
[06:32] <cosmolax> Is that right ?
[06:37] <nixternal> you got it right cosmolax..i just read the email you sent...July 4th Install Fest!!!  great job
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[06:51] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[06:56] <nixternal> nite jsgotangco
[06:57] <jjesse> hmmm now to do more clean up to the adept guides :(
[06:58] <nixternal> hehe have fun ;)
[06:58] <nixternal> im going to do a little more wiki work today i think
[06:58] <jjesse> yeah if you noticed the commit logs i've been changing a lot
[06:58] <nixternal> try to knock down the catdocs and catcleanup
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[06:59] <nixternal> everytime you commit i get the email
[06:59] <nixternal> then i svn update
[06:59] <jjesse> and they are pretty heafty commits :)
[07:00] <nixternal> from what i have seen, ya, none of your commits have been really small...i noticed a lot of changes, and couple of new ones
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[07:13] <nixternal> jjesse: all your svn work, do you do it via cli or do you use one of the gui front-ends?
[07:14] <nixternal> i have messed with the ksvn, but i don't like it...cli is just smoother to me
[07:15] <nixternal> ;(
[07:15] <nixternal> hehe
[07:16] <LaserJock> all that talk of svn scared him away
[07:16] <nixternal> must have
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[07:53] <tonyyarusso> I have an interesting situation...
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> I ordered some documentation books from Lulu, and they arrived today.
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> The Xubuntu Desktop Guide has the covers put on backwards.  (So when you open the front cover you see the last page, upside down.)
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> What should I do?
[07:55] <mdke> of all of them?
[07:57] <jsgotangco> you should ask for a replacement it is obviously defective...but i dunno the policy of lulu on that
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> It's just the Xubuntu one (I got one copy of 4 different things).
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[07:58] <mdke> tonyyarusso: english version?
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> mdke: Yes.
[07:58] <mdke> tonyyarusso: ok, fairly confident there is nothing wrong our end - you should ask for another one from Lulu
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> mdke: Okay, I'll check the site to see what it says about that.  Thanks.
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> Meanwhile, the actual pages between the covers and the other 3 look great.  Nice work guys.
[08:09] <mdke> good news :)
[08:10] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: which other ones did you get?
[08:11] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Ubuntu and Kubuntu Desktop Guides, and the Server Desktop Guide.  (Figured I'd pay shipping once)
[08:11] <LaserJock> cool
[08:12] <LaserJock> I need to get some too, so I can see what the finished product looks like
[08:13] <tonyyarusso> Fairly simple, 1/4" thick, medium format.  Nice and big type size, which is less intimidating for new people I would think.
[08:14] <LaserJock> yeah, doesn't have a technical book look
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[09:50] <froud_> Is there an equivalent of KDE System Guard on Ubuntu GNOME Desktop?
[09:52] <LaserJock> seems  like there is, try over in #ubuntu
[09:52] <froud_> LaserJock: I tried that but no response
[09:52] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:52] <froud_> LaserJock: what is the alternative?
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[09:55] <LaserJock> froud: hmm, I don't have gnome in front of me right now so I can't help much
[09:56] <froud> LaserJock: I looked for something on the default install of Dapper and found nothing
[09:56] <LaserJock> what are you wanting to do?
[09:57] <froud> LaserJock: This assumes that programs never freeze :-) As we know they do, it seems like there needs to be such a tool for GUI users. It should be available via the menu system as part of the default installation
[09:57] <froud> LaserJock: I am writing training materials for DEsktop Users
[09:57] <LaserJock> ah, so you need something to kill processes?
[09:57] <froud> One topic is about how to handle frozen programs :-)
[09:58] <froud> LaserJock: yes, but not at the command line
[09:58] <froud> we all know kill
[09:58] <trappist> does ctrl-alt-escape work in gnome the way it works in kde (xkill)?
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[09:59] <LaserJock> I guess Gnome apps never freeze ;p
[09:59] <trappist> <3 xkill
[09:59] <froud> trappist: no
[09:59] <LaserJock> froud: it's System Monitor
[09:59] <froud> LaserJock: uhmm
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[10:00] <LaserJock> System -> Administration -> System Monitor is what you are looking for
[10:01] <froud> LaserJock: System Monitor assumes that the user has root
[10:01] <LaserJock> yes
[10:01] <froud> Normally users dont have the Administration menu
[10:02] <LaserJock> do you have a user that doesn't have admin priveleges handy?
[10:03] <froud> just a sec must start a new XDMCP session
[10:05] <froud> LaserJock: Actually you are right a std user has Administration and has System Monitor :-) Thanks
[10:06] <LaserJock> hmm, are there fewer items in the menu?
[10:07] <LaserJock> I thought that the menu was either gone or at least items should be gone
[10:08] <LaserJock> although I never had to enter a password to start system monitor
[10:13] <LaserJock> ah yes, the administration menu is there, it's just got a limited number of items
[10:13] <froud> LaserJock: yes
[10:13] <froud> I was also thinking that it was not there at all :-)
[10:14] <LaserJock> me too
[10:15] <LaserJock> I had to set up a non-admin user to test it ;-)
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[10:57] <LaserJock> mdke: ping?
[11:04] <mdke> LaserJock: pong
[11:05] <LaserJock> mdke: how are the -commits emails made?
[11:05] <mdke> no idea
[11:05] <froud> LaserJock: svn-hooks
[11:05] <LaserJock> it'd be nice to have the Log: section before all the Modified: stuff
[11:06] <froud> LaserJock: When a commit it made SVN has a hook to process the diff and send to a given mail address
[11:06] <LaserJock> k
[11:06] <froud> LaserJock: This can be done by editing the svn hook script
[11:06] <LaserJock> well, I just thought of it after jjesse's last monster commit
[11:06] <LaserJock> you have to scroll down to the bottom to see the commit log
[11:07] <LaserJock> mdke: sorry for bothering you, go back to bed ;-)
[11:07] <mdke> no bother, am not in bed yet
[11:09] <LaserJock> hmm, we need to get nixternal an RSS feed :-)
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[11:16] <jeffsch> froud: you can add a force-quit button to the gnome panel
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[11:23] <froud> jeffsch: hmm nice idea
[11:24] <froud> jeffsch: thing is the training material must be generic to the distro since the training center will only install std setup and will not custom each desktop
[11:25] <jeffsch> froud: hmmm.... maybe add a customize-your-desktop section, and include how to add the force-quit button to the gnome panel
[11:26] <froud> jeffsch: customization is not part of the course objectives :-)
[11:26] <froud> jeffsch: we must work in strict guidelines
[11:27] <froud> jeffsch: they provide the framework, we develop the content
[11:27] <froud> unfortunately, we cannot just add as we please. Although in places we would like to do so :-)
[11:28] <jeffsch> i guess shutting down misbehaving apps isn't part of the course objectives either :)
[11:29] <jeffsch> normally though, at least in gnome, when an app crashes you can still click on the window's close button
[11:30] <jeffsch> then you are prompted with a "app not responding... do you want to kill?" dialogue
[11:30] <froud> Yes, the topic mentions this an dif this fails points to System Monitor
[11:34] <froud> jeffsch: being a kde user I was not sure what tool was the equiv if KDE SystemGuard :-)
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[11:55] <nixternal> LaserJock: i don't need no stinkin' rss feed ;)
[11:56] <LaserJock> nixternal: I know *you* don't, I do ;-)
[11:56] <nixternal> what do you need an rss feed for?
[11:57] <LaserJock> all your -doc emails :-0
[11:57] <nixternal> ahaha
[11:57] <nixternal> it means work is getting done when you see my emails though
[11:57] <LaserJock> yes
[11:57] <nixternal> create a dir in your inbox and call it nixternals_junk ;)
[11:59] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:59] <nixternal> i need something to replace kontact i think.
[11:59] <LaserJock> evolution? ;p
[12:00] <crimsun> nothing has managed to replace mutt
[12:00] <nixternal> im on kde..no evo here
[12:00] <nixternal> crimsun: i messed up replacing mutt i think
[12:00] <nixternal> i went from pine, to mutt...to everything else
[12:00] <crimsun> there are only two religions, vim and mutt.
[12:00] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:00] <nixternal> i want something like kontact..calendar, tasks, addresses, and email
[12:00] <LaserJock> I tried mutt
[12:00] <mdke> crimsun: I follow the religion of gedit and thunderbird
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[12:01] <LaserJock> weird, I'm mostly vim and thunderbird
[12:01] <crimsun> mdke: the world is full of blasphemy
[12:01] <nixternal> lol
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[12:01] <nixternal> kate > gedit ;)
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[12:01] <LaserJock> I must admit, Paris got me interested in GUI apps again
[12:01] <nixternal> does gedit have xml validation for docbooks?
[12:02] <mdke> yes
[12:02] <nixternal> cool
[12:02] <mdke> but it works by eye
[12:02] <crimsun> LaserJock: well, that is why *buntu exists :)
[12:02] <nixternal> so gedit and kate are pretty much the same..just one for the g and the other for the k
[12:03] <mdke> you read the docbook code, and decide whether it's valid... simple as that *pats gedit again*
[12:03] <nixternal> haha
[12:03] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, actually running Ubuntu on my laptop for 7 days straight really helped
[12:03] <nixternal> validation in kate runs and within a couple of 2nds it lets you know if there are errors or not ;)
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[12:03] <mdke> too easy
[12:04] <crimsun> LaserJock: yeah, I doubt there are that many Ubuntu devs who use X Window System solely for terminal emulators like I do
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[12:06] <LaserJock> crimsun: iwj and a couple others
[12:06] <crimsun> yeah, I knew about iwj