[12:09] <bddebian> Howdyu
[12:09] <bddebian> -u
[12:17] <nixternal_> hey bddebian
[12:17] <nixternal_> anyone know what the future holds for kontact and the entire kde pim suite?
[12:17] <nixternal_> as it seems everything on kde's site is way outdated
[12:18] <bddebian> Hi nixternal
[12:18] <nixternal> lag is my friend ;)
[12:25] <bddebian> heh
[12:49] <kwwii> the kde sites will be updated sometime soon
[12:50] <kwwii> we are working on a new design/infrastructure
[12:51] <nixternal> hey kwwii..thats good to know...
[12:52] <kwwii> :-)
[01:52] <apokryphos> were kopete 0.12 packs built anywhere?
[01:58] <crimsun> not officially afaict
[02:00] <abattoir> apokryphos: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/ ?
[02:00] <apokryphos> abattoir: ah, there it is, thanks.
[02:00] <abattoir> apokryphos: no problem :) 
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:24] <RadiantFire> hi hobbsee
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hey RadiantFire 
[04:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ping?
[05:10] <nixternal> heya Hobbsee
[05:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: feel like doco writing?
[05:17] <nixternal> whats up?
[05:18] <Hobbsee> on phone
[05:19] <nixternal> i can doc write for ya if you need some
[05:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: there's a way to install a deb
[05:29] <Hobbsee_phone> inside a pbuilder
[05:30] <Hobbsee_phone> it's done by sudo pbuilder login, copying the deb into the pbuilder to install, then apt-get -f install to get the deps - if it works, then the deb instals
[05:30] <Hobbsee_phone> we probably want some documentation on that
[05:30] <Hobbsee_phone> sorry for the typing - fingers are freezing,a nd i'm on the phone still
[05:31] <nixternal> its alright..take your time...i will be here
[05:31] <nixternal> im reading kde-look and kde-apps right now ;)
[06:09] <Hobbsee> right, i'm back
[06:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ping?
[06:33] <nixternal> i got an email back concerning the fall semester at that college im going to attend. it seems all their programming is via microsoft, but would greatly appreciate me doing it in Linux, as most of the course are .NET and will allow me to do mono stuff
[06:33] <nixternal> now i definately can't wait to get back into school..only been...ummm...almost 10 years since i graduated the last time
[06:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:34] <Hobbsee> fun
[06:34] <nixternal> i can get back into programming
[06:35] <nixternal> the first two classes are intro to windows command line and intro to linux...i asked if i could do something else..as those courses i did when i was 10 years old ;)
[06:35] <nixternal> exagerating..but i am going to do a shell scripting course and an xml course as fillers for those 2
[06:40] <nixternal> Hobbsee: whats up with this doc stuff you need or requested?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> nixternal: imbrandon knows about it - i'm going out sorry :P
[06:41] <nixternal> arg
[06:41] <nixternal> no going out
[06:41] <nixternal> ;)
[06:41] <nixternal> you have to stay and work ;)
[06:41] <nixternal> 4 months til edgy..we can't afford Hobbsee going out and having fun ;)
[06:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:41] <Hobbsee> nooo!
[06:42] <nixternal> i will talk to imbrandon then when he returns
[06:42] <nixternal> i seen your merges
[06:42] <nixternal> good job
[06:42] <nixternal> 1 as hobbsee and 2 with your real name ;)
[06:42] <nixternal> i was like..she's confused
[06:42] <Hobbsee> no, all three were by real name :P
[06:42] <nixternal> i seen a hobbsee commit
[06:42] <Hobbsee> shouldnt be
[06:42] <nixternal> yup
[06:42] <Hobbsee> wher'd you see that?
[06:43] <nixternal> commit-list
[06:43] <nixternal> kdbg as a matter of fact
[06:43] <Hobbsee> link?
[06:44] <nixternal> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-June/000474.html
[06:46] <Hobbsee> hmm...and bddebian just left.  you'd have to ask him about that - that's unusual
[06:47] <nixternal> told ya ;)
[06:48] <nixternal> the other 2 though are SH
[06:48] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:48] <Hobbsee> they had sarah hobbs listed next to them
[06:48] <nixternal> everyone still knows who it is..no biggy
[06:48] <Hobbsee> i dont know why it got signed that way though - i never sign packages as Hobbsee
[06:49] <nixternal> i am not 100% on how that works so i couldn't even begin to tell you
[06:49] <nixternal> but i will know 110% for edgy+1
[06:56] <Hobbsee> man this is weird
[06:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:56] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[06:56] <nixternal> everything is weird
[06:56] <nixternal> im reading the  UPG now..i will setup pbuilder and build some stuff so i know exactly what you guys are talking about..that will probably help me a little ;)
[06:58] <Hobbsee> ah yeah, nice :)
[06:58] <nixternal> lol
[06:58] <nixternal> have a good time Hobbsee..be safe
[07:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:02] <Hobbsee> [15:00]  <Hobbsee> ogra: i've just commented a bug report about those screensavers - will try to fix them once and for all later.  seeing as i reformatted yesterday, it seemed like a good time to test :P
[07:02] <Hobbsee> [15:02]  <Hobbsee> and it's annoying me, and i want it fixed.
[07:02] <nixternal> hahah
[07:03] <Hobbsee> it's in  main, so i might have a bit of trouble getting someone to upload it, we'll see
[07:06] <Hobbsee> right, enjoy everyone
[11:57] <Tonio_> hey
[11:57] <Tonio_> let's start merging !
[11:57] <Tonio_> yop raphink
[11:59] <raphink> hi Tonio_
[12:00] <Tonio_> raphink:  ca va ?
[12:00] <raphink> oui
[12:00] <Tonio_> moi j'ai russi mon bourrage de crane de la semaine
[12:00] <Tonio_> le pouce est entr en action
[12:00] <Tonio_> yop Riddell
[12:00] <raphink> :)
[12:00] <Tonio_> I'm starting the merging for the universe apps
[12:00] <Riddell> hi all, UKUUG now seems to have network!
[12:01] <Riddell> excellent news Tonio_ 
[12:01] <Tonio_> raphink: will you be able to make uploads for my packages in main ? untill I get access :)
[12:01] <raphink> sure Tonio_ just send them to me
[12:01] <Tonio_> I hope to finish until tomorrow, except kaffeine
[12:01] <raphink> k
[12:01] <Tonio_> since I have to improve and split it
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the plan for edgy ? gstreamer or xine ?
[12:02] <Tonio_> that's important for kaffeine
[12:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: are you keeping https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates up to date?
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes that's the plan :)
[12:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: probably xine unless there's actually a reason to use gstreamer
[12:03] <Tonio_> I didn't start for the moment since my girlfriend staid until yesterday
[12:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[12:03] <Riddell> raphink: using which backend?
[12:03] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdemultimedia/+bug/51462
[12:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51462 in kdemultimedia "Juk doesn't play mp3s" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[12:04] <Riddell> Tonio_, raphink: make sure any KDE packages uploaded depend on kdelibs >= 4:3.5.3-1ubuntu3
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[12:04] <raphink> k
[12:04] <Tonio_> what is the new standard ? I assume 3.7.2 no ?
[12:04] <raphink> yep
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: are there 2 versions available on edgy repos ?
[12:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: of what?
[12:05] <Tonio_> I don't see the need to specify the version if only one is available
[12:05] <Tonio_> of kdelibs
[12:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: earler qt/kdelibs versions had a binary compatibility problem
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: so the build will fail if we don't give the version
[12:06] <Tonio_> hum, that's a problem for backports....
[12:06] <Riddell> hmm, good point
[12:06] <Riddell> well 4:3.5.3-1ubuntu3 seems to be compiled everywhere so it shouldn't be a problem
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can work on packages and wait for the qt/kdelibs to be built succesfully
[12:07] <Tonio_> okay, thanks Riddell
[12:08] <Tonio_> I will contact upstreams to talk about default inclusion in kubuntu
[12:15] <uniq> riddell: hi, kio-apt is now synced with dapper. http://ubuntu.lnix.net/archive/edgy/ 
[12:25] <Riddell> uniq: great thanks
[12:25] <Riddell> uniq: although I won't be able to review anything until monday
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[01:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[01:37] <Riddell> anyone have a screenshot of amarok 1.4.1?
[01:37] <jpatrick> I can get one...
[01:37] <Riddell> that would be great (if it's in the next 5 minutes)
[01:39] <jpatrick> just random screenshot?
[01:39] <Riddell> yes
[01:39] <Riddell> for talk slides
[01:39] <Riddell> so something that looks good from 20 metres
[01:42] <jpatrick> http://tiber.tauware.de/~jpatrick/snap6.png
[01:43] <jpatrick> ?
[01:44] <Riddell> great, thanks jpatrick 
[01:54] <jpatrick> I love moodbar: http://tiber.tauware.de/~jpatrick/snap7.png
[01:57] <Riddell> how do you know what the colours mean?
[01:57] <jpatrick> you don't, really...
[01:58] <jpatrick> it's just the mood of music appartently
[02:07] <\sh> hmmm...do I have to file bugs now for merges?
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: if no newer version has been released do I still need to change N to Y on the wikipage
[02:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes 
[02:11] <Riddell> else we won't know
[02:11] <Tonio_> okay
[02:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: put a comment too, NOCHANGE
[02:11] <Tonio_> okay, will do
[03:32] <Lure> http://www.netdisaster.com/go.php?mode=manif&url=http://www.kubuntu.org
[05:21] <nixternal> moins
[05:47] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/random-screens/adept-layout-draft2.png
[06:34] <nixternal> http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/154-5-Unique-Tips-for-New-Ubuntu-Users.html
[06:35] <nixternal> ^^ decent read if you haven't seen it yet...he isn't griping, but has valid points that i believe are already being taken into consideration
[06:51] <mornfall> point 5 is ummmmmmmmmm
[06:51] <mornfall> silly
[06:51] <mornfall> at best
[06:52] <mornfall> it's actually pretty much bs
[06:56] <mornfall> a) 90+% of desktop is IO-bound
[06:57] <mornfall> b) let's measure adept filtering performance with -O2 and with -O2 -march=pentium-m -mtune=pentium-m :-)
[06:58] <nixternal> ya..
[06:58] <nixternal> i didn't understand his whole cpu mumbo jumbo
[06:59] <nixternal> i have taken a few of those other os's, and ran them side by side to see which performed the best...for my amd k7's...Ubuntu/Kubuntu won
[06:59] <nixternal> none of the other os's boot to a desktop with 3.5.3 nearly as quick as Kubuntu does for me
[06:59] <nixternal> i wonder if he realizes there is a heck of a lot more to a computer than a processor
[07:14] <mornfall> so right, cpu-optimized and non-cpu-optimized versions have about same performance :)
[07:14] <nixternal> you can't tell a difference..thats for sure
[07:15] <mornfall> i have cpu timer dumps there
[07:15] <nixternal> the only time i could ever tell a difference..is when i hacked the kernel, and optimized it for ME
[07:15] <mornfall> well, the optimized one gave some 5% better on one go and 1% worse on another (relative to unoptimized)
[07:16] <nixternal> right
[07:16] <mornfall> -O0 -> -O2 gives *much* more
[07:17] <nixternal> ok..mepis crashed on me a few times..but it was still a good os...but it really is Kubuntu w/ some extra stuff, and yes the nvidia/ati driver config is superior in mepis as well as getting mp3's playing..but i believe that is all being worked out in edgy
[07:17] <mornfall> (the -O0 -> -O2 reduces time to roughly 50% -- noticable :-)
[07:18] <mornfall> (to be specific, 1890ms -> 850ms and 3200ms -> 1570ms, for the two tested cases)
[07:18] <mornfall> so much for cpu optimization :-)
[07:18] <nixternal> i don't know..just something about an OS that goes to the top of the list in 2 years time, and beats out the other os's who have a 10+ year advantage..i think makes people wtf
[07:19] <mornfall> well, ubuntu is based on debian -- with 10+ years of development :-)
[07:19] <nixternal> that kind of popularity always attracks the naysayers
[07:19] <nixternal> so true mornfall..and they look past that
[07:20] <nixternal> im sorry..i will never ever again mess with the rpm pm
[07:20] <nixternal> never never never ;)
[07:20] <mornfall> come on :P
[07:20] <nixternal> haha
[07:20] <mornfall> rpm is fine ;-)
[07:20] <nixternal> eww
[07:21] <mornfall> well, fedora is probably among the most advanced distros out there
[07:21] <nixternal> i will honestly say...i had more issues getting fc working for me...but it was pretty nice once i got it up and running
[07:22] <mornfall> well, maybe not from user POV
[07:22] <nixternal> you will usually see however, packages for FC and SuSe b4 you will Ubuntu...that is the only advantage i have really seen
[07:22] <mornfall> but which other distros come with selinux working out of the box? great xen support?
[07:22] <nixternal> plus..they don't have the community..the Ubuntu community and meaning is what trueally dragged me in ;)
[07:22] <mornfall> oh, that's being fixed ;-)
[07:22] <nixternal> once i seen the community, and then kubuntu, i was like hey, i like everything this is about
[07:23] <nixternal> i have gone over their wiki though...and their team structures are pretty solid
[07:24] <nixternal> see...if i don't try out these other distro's, then i feel i am being close minded
[07:24] <mornfall> redhat is doing a great job, really ;-) it's maybe not that visible, but huge load of kernel and base system (glibc, ld.so) work
[07:25] <nixternal> redhat i think is the reason linux is still really around..back in the 90's..it was them leading everything in the linux world...all the other distro's were attractive to hackers, while redhat said hey, leave microsoft and try me
[07:25] <nixternal> i think that little campaign worked for them in a sense
[07:26] <mornfall> i should probably note that i am on redhat payroll :] 
[07:26] <nixternal> ghaha
[07:26] <nixternal> well..i used to be sort of back in the day
[07:26] <nixternal> VA LInux
[07:26] <mornfall> :-)
[07:26] <nixternal> server rep
[07:26] <nixternal> engineering lab in Lisle, IL with AT&T
[07:26] <mornfall> good thing about the whole free software thing
[07:27] <mornfall> that heaps of work are shared
[07:27] <nixternal> yup
[07:27] <mornfall> even if people are in different camps
[07:28] <nixternal> VA Linux seems to have really gone away..i haven't seen anything from them
[07:28] <nixternal> i remember when RedHat and VA got together..VA provided the servers and they merged a distro (VA Linux)...i used to love their setups
[07:29] <mornfall> for me, it's not rpm that's the problem -- dpkg is same nasty hack as rpm just different codebase ;-)
[07:29] <nixternal> actually...i would be lieing by using that statement
[07:29] <nixternal> i have always been a SuSe fan ;)
[07:30] <nixternal> back in the day, my desktop was either Corel Linux which i believe became mandrake??? or merged with them..then it switched to SuSe for a while..until a couple of years ago
[07:30] <nixternal> my servers were always RH and Debian
[07:31] <mornfall> i think corel went under
[07:31] <mornfall> corel linux that is
[07:31] <mornfall> mandrake was big eclectic buch back when i tried it
[07:32] <mornfall> like, redhat release with bunch of debian and other distro stuff in it :)
[07:40] <nixternal> hehe ya
[07:40] <nixternal> i remember all of that back then..caldera was and yellowdog were good router/servers back then too...but caldera and sco went to bed and killed that
[07:42] <nixternal> hiya apachelogger
[08:10] <nixternal> any plans for OOo 2.0.3 packages for Dapper?  don't kill the messanger ;)
[09:01] <claydoh> lol nixternal I was composing a post in kubuntuforums, then you butted ahead of me :)
[09:01] <nixternal> hehe
[09:01] <nixternal> sorry ;)
[09:01] <nixternal> im doing a wifi post now..so stay away ;)
[09:01] <claydoh> the phone rang, and it just had to be the census bureau calling me
[09:01] <claydoh> on a saturday no less
[09:02] <nixternal> hahahah
[09:02] <nixternal> and when you went in...boom there was nixternal ;)
[09:02] <nixternal> i leave the census stuff alone..they want way to much personal info usually
[09:02] <claydoh> yup, went back to finish typing and submit, bang!
[09:03] <claydoh> yeah, this was a long term (3 years?) mostly about income changes, nothing too difficult
[09:04] <nixternal> lol
[09:04] <claydoh> even funnier is the agent out in Cali used to live just down the street from my grandfather in Maine, knew my aunt very well
[09:04] <nixternal> i love when people post an hour later the same topic/question
[09:04] <claydoh> heh
[09:05] <nixternal> oh well...go ahead and post..i need fo0d ;)
[09:05] <claydoh> my faves are the same pst in 3 forum topics
[09:05] <claydoh> you said what i was gonna, then some
[09:06] <claydoh> dang the kontact post too???
[09:06] <claydoh> lololol
[09:18] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:32] <Cyorxamp> If such an ability exists, I wish to lodge a formal complaint to ubuntu officials about the mistreatment my a ubuntu op... if anyone knows any details please adivse me.
[10:32] <Cyorxamp> *by
[10:33] <imbrandon> Cyorxamp: what ?
[10:33] <Cyorxamp> There is no simpler way for me to explain what I have asked, please re-read
[10:33] <imbrandon> Cyorxamp: join me in #ubuntu-ops
[11:13] <nixternal> jpatrick: ping!
[11:14] <jpatrick> nixternal: ging
[11:14] <nixternal> ging
[11:14] <nixternal> lol
[11:15] <nixternal> hey...are you a mod at kubuntu forums.net?
[11:15] <jpatrick> yes
[11:15] <jpatrick> be afraid
[11:15] <jpatrick> ;)
[11:15] <nixternal> hehe
[11:15] <nixternal> i thought you were
[11:15] <nixternal> great..now i forgot wth i was gonna say
[11:16] <nixternal> oh..is there a way to refer double posts to mods to make their work easier...
[11:16] <DaSkreech> What's up with libcairo?
[11:16] <nixternal> bah claydoh is a mod too
[11:16] <jpatrick> nixternal: the notify button
[11:16] <claydoh> yaeh, so what of it?
[11:16] <claydoh> :)
[11:17] <nixternal> haha
[11:17] <nixternal> i see you camping in the forums now
[11:17] <claydoh> i have a day off from work :)
[11:17] <nixternal> Ksnapshot bug..posted in 2 sections..get on it ;)
[11:17] <DaSkreech> I have alib cairo2 as upgradeable but it's not flagged to be upgraded
[11:18] <nixternal> i dont' like looking at a forum that has the same post twice..hurry before i flip out and go into convulsions
[11:18] <DaSkreech> is it being held for somereason?
[11:18] <nixternal> couldn't help you there DaSkreech
[11:18] <nixternal> you don't have a hold on it local do you?
[11:18] <DaSkreech> Nope never even realized I had it instaleed
[11:18] <nixternal> as i have done that accidentally in the past somehow and it placed a stupid file in my ~/ that would hold stuff
[11:19] <jpatrick> nixternal: nope can't see it
[11:19] <nixternal> i clicked notify
[11:19] <nixternal> anyways..it is in the "hasn't been replied to yet" section
[11:20] <DaSkreech> Sooo Just upgrade it? There are no problems known with libcario 2?
[11:20] <jpatrick> nixternal: nuked one
[11:21] <nixternal> i don't know truthfully DaSkreech
[11:21] <nixternal> hehe..thanks jpatrick ;)
[11:21] <nixternal> now i can look back at the w/o replies section w/o getting annoyed at stoooopidity
[11:22] <jpatrick> shower time...
[11:23] <nixternal> oh..also add a "Show My Posts" link up top with the other "Show Post" links..so i do't have to go through my profile to fine the ifno ;)
[11:24] <claydoh> you'll have to ask opesource for that, if you cange thold of him
[11:25] <claydoh> post in the feedback forum, he usually tries to accomodate good requests :)
[11:28] <nixternal> thank you sir