[12:17] <froud> Other than using About Ubuntu. Is there a way for a user to determine the operating system version information via a GNOME GUI app? Something like the info displayed via KControl in KDE?
[12:18] <mdke> froud: not that I know of
[12:21] <froud> mdke: what about details of the kernel version?
[12:22] <mdke> froud: nope, don't think so. But if you ask in a Gnome channel you might get more reliable information
[12:23] <froud> :-) If you dont know then I dont think they will do better
[04:57] <cosmolax> hello.
[04:59] <robotgeek> hi cosmolax 
[04:59] <cosmolax> a moment ago, I reEdit the section "Ubuntu Dapper Installfest In Taiwan" in the UWN issue #5 draft.
[05:00] <cosmolax> I just remove the duplicate hyperlink of the article.
[05:00] <cosmolax> That's because the writer use another wiki system but not moinmoin. sorry for that.
[05:01] <robotgeek> cosmolax: sure, thanks :)
[05:02] <robotgeek> i think the links are slightly messed up, i will fix
[05:02] <cosmolax> robotgeek: thank you.
[05:07] <robotgeek> cosmolax: refresh :)
[05:18] <cosmolax> robotgeek: looks much great. :)
[05:20] <robotgeek> cosmolax: cool :). good luck with installfest!
[05:23] <cosmolax> robotgeek: I wish.:)
[05:24] <cosmolax> robotgeek: the party place is small, but people signuped have been exploded. LoL
[05:24] <robotgeek> that is good news!
[05:27] <cosmolax> robotgeek: in the beginnig, we thought maybe 30 people would be good enough, then, Wow! so many people interesting of Ubuntu ! :)
[07:11] <nixternal> with the packaging guide pdf..is there a way to print 4 pages on one sheet of paper, book style/front to back?
[07:12] <Madpilot> that depends on which PDF viewer you're using, I think
[07:12] <nixternal> im looking at kpdf..which seems rather ummm...feature lacking
[07:12] <Madpilot> try Adobe Acrobat Reader - it's a giant pig, but it's still the most complete PDF reader going
[07:12] <Madpilot> it's in Multiverse - look for acroread
[07:12] <nixternal> im trying that one now
[07:13] <nixternal> i got the latest and greatest version of that pig
[07:13] <nixternal> as the local college uses pdf for all documentation
[07:13] <nixternal> so i am rather used to the #@$#
[07:13] <nixternal> i will however..try to get them to switch to svn and docbooks in the xml class next fall
[07:13] <Madpilot> Evince is pretty good - it's Gnome's default viewer - but acroread is still the standard
[07:17] <nixternal> well...my idea is actually more work then what i would like..i will just print double sided...that will work for what i need
[10:33] <mdke> morning
[10:33] <Madpilot> hi mdke 
[10:33] <mdke> hiya
[10:33] <Madpilot> Happy Canada Day ;)
[10:33] <mdke> ah, same to you
[10:33] <tonyyarusso> Sort of morning
[10:34] <Madpilot> 0135 is technically morning
[10:34] <mdke> Madpilot: btw #redirect only does pages within the same wiki, you need "#refresh # url" for urls
[10:34] <Madpilot> ah, cool
[10:34] <Madpilot> thanks
[10:37] <mdke> how should I celebrate canada day?
[10:38] <Madpilot> get sunburned & drunk, then sing "Oh Canada" off key
[10:38] <mdke> similar to English celebrations, except a different song
[10:38] <Madpilot> but only the first verse, in English then French, because nobody even knows the rest of the versee ;)
[10:38] <Madpilot> s/versee/verses
[10:39] <mdke> I saw some English football fans recently who had sunburn on their chests in the form of the English flag
[10:39] <mdke> flair
[10:40] <Madpilot> that takes dedication - and careful application of sunblock
[10:40] <tonyyarusso> I might know them if I thought about it actually...
[10:41] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, what, the 2nd & subsequent verses of "Oh Canada"?
[10:41] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Yeah.  Or at least I did at one time.
[10:41] <tonyyarusso> Learned them for when our minor league baseball team was playing Winnipeg.
[10:42] <Madpilot> I've grown up in this country, and I've never known them. Not sure I've ever even heard them... ;)
[10:42] <Madpilot> at school we did the 1st verse, in both languages, and that was it
[10:43] <Madpilot> then "Dog Shave the Queen" in English at the end of our school assemblies
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> Hehe
[10:44] <mdke> disgraceful
[10:44] <Madpilot> oh, sorry... I meant "God Save...etc" :)
[10:45] <tonyyarusso> They did all of the verses every morning at the school I had my placement in for con-ed, and I was just starting to get the hang of it when they started doing them in French instead.
[10:45] <mdke> no respect these canadians
[10:45] <Madpilot> mdke, Lizzie's a lovely woman, it's the rest of her family that worries me :)
[10:45] <Madpilot> I'm a monarchist by default, because we've got one now and it mostly works
[10:46] <mdke> indeed
[10:46] <mdke> for most definitions of works
[10:46] <Madpilot> for the definition that includes "Look what having a President has gotten our good friends to the south of us"
[10:47] <mdke> heh
[10:52] <mdke> yelp has got a caching thing in cvs which might speed it up quite a lot
[10:53] <mdke> hope so
[10:53] <Madpilot> nice
[10:53] <Madpilot> Yelp does need some love in the speed department, even in Dapper
[11:49] <Madpilot> Dammit, I wish people could spell "Ubuntu" right...
[11:49] <Madpilot> having to fix a bunch of pages in help.u.c/c because someone can't spell...
[11:51] <rob> hehe thats funny, its at the top in big black letters on every page
[11:52] <Madpilot> it's the name of the damn distro, FFS, you'd think people would *check*...
[12:01] <Madpilot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromLinux <-- massive chunks of this could probably just die, and be replaced by links to the actual pages on the various topics
[12:22] <dsas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation has a "Laptops" link right at the bottom which points to LaptopTestingTeam. Should this link be aimed at w.u.c/LaptopTestingTeam or just scrapped?
[12:23] <Madpilot> aim it at wuc/LaptopTestingTeam, and expand the text in huc/c/UserDoc to explain a bit more, I'd say....
[12:25] <dsas> "Reports on using Ubuntu on portable computers." ?
[12:27] <dsas> hmm, all my page subscriptions have gone.
[12:28] <dsas> Madpilot: Who do I need to talk to too get page deletion privs?
[12:29] <Madpilot> dsas, mdke, for now
[12:29] <Madpilot> are you a WikiTeam member in LP?
[12:29] <dsas> nope.
[12:29] <Madpilot> you on DocTeam in LP?
[12:30] <dsas> nope. I presume I need to be a member of one of those first?
[12:31] <Madpilot> not really, but it helps
[12:32] <Madpilot> eventually all approved WikiTeam members will automagically have delete/rename privs
[12:32] <dsas> ok, I'll apply for the wikiteam and catch up with mdke when he's around.
[12:33] <dsas> Thanks for the help
[12:33] <Madpilot> np
[12:34] <Madpilot> you can always ping here or the ML if you've got a candidate page for deletion
[12:36] <dsas> There's three pages at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Test
[12:38] <Madpilot> looks like they're gone already?
[12:39] <dsas> hmm, I get three pages teste, testpage1 and testpage2 all linked from the 'Test' page not found search result.
[12:41] <Madpilot> ah, yeah
[12:41] <Madpilot> in the search box, below the "This page does not exist..." line
[12:41] <Madpilot> I'll kill those three now
[12:42] <dsas> thanks
[12:43] <Madpilot> np
[05:17] <nixternal> moins
[06:35] <nixternal> that email burg just sent...he talks about us in #3
[06:35] <nixternal> http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/154-5-Unique-Tips-for-New-Ubuntu-Users.html
[06:36] <nixternal> i know jjesse has been discussing the topic of the documentation for that
[07:58] <CarlFK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarlKarsten - exists (no longer redirecting to help.ubuntu... ?)
[07:58] <CarlFK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet has CarlKarsten -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CarlKarsten which is 404
[08:03] <nixternal> personel pages aren't to be redirected to h.u.c
[08:03] <CarlFK> that seems to be a chage
[08:04] <nixternal> ya..personal pages are sticking on w.u.c 
[08:04] <nixternal> i see though with the @SIG@ it shows h.u.c/c/WikiName
[08:04] <CarlFK> that means all the links to them that are now on h.u.c are broken ?
[08:05] <nixternal> if it is from the @SIG@ feature then yes..unless we recreate our personal pages on h.u.c and #refresh 0 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ourpage
[08:05] <nixternal> i don' tknow if they want that on the h.u.c though
[08:06] <CarlFK> bleck
[08:06] <nixternal> mdke can probably have the sig feature fixed so that it goes to w.u.c instead
[08:06] <CarlFK> I can see why.. but I think it is too late
[08:06] <nixternal> that @SIG@ is just a macro..probably python scripted...
[08:06] <nixternal> well im sure it is in python since moinmoin is python ;)
[08:07] <CarlFK> should I post anything about to the -doc list of LP?
[08:07] <CarlFK> or is it 'known issue' 
[08:08] <nixternal> you are the first to bring it up
[08:08] <nixternal> i would post it
[08:08] <CarlFK> will do
[08:08] <nixternal> definately is valid..as i have yet to notice it ;)
[08:10] <CarlFK> do you know what db the pages are stored in? 
[08:10] <CarlFK> mysql, bdb... dir of textfiles..
[08:15] <CarlFK> nixternal: what is this @SIG@ you speak of?
[08:15] <CarlFK> guessing I should use it
[08:16] <nixternal> oh..it is a macro that posts your name, date, and time when you post...
[08:16] <nixternal> hmm..i can't see what moinmoin uses for db
[08:16] <nixternal> i don't see anything about it at all on the moinmoin install site
[08:17] <CarlFK> huh - I asked on the -doc list, 
[08:17] <CarlFK> part of the "delete CatDoc" thread 
[08:17] <CarlFK> if it is written "well" you can pick a db
[08:18] <nixternal> mpt made a good point on the CatDoc stuff about deleting them when you do work on the pages
[08:18] <CarlFK> which means it is up to the person who installed it
[08:19] <CarlFK> yeah - I don't really care about the CatDoc issue  - but if I can help a bunch of editors focus on something useful ... good. ;)
[08:19] <nixternal> i went through the other night with some free time and removed a bunch of pages from the CatDoc...I emailed the list letting them know..not a good idea ;)
[08:19] <nixternal> exactly
[08:19] <nixternal> i hear your point there