[12:08] <raphink> might be linked
[12:08] <raphink> but not sure
[12:08] <raphink> :s
[12:08] <bddebian> Heya gang
[12:09] <raphink> wb bddebian
[12:10] <siretart> bddebian: heyho!
[12:10] <siretart> bddebian: you are converting scilab to cdbs, eh? ;)
[12:10] <raphink> :)
[12:10] <raphink> cdbs!
[12:10] <crimsun> ooh, I like the Updated Merges link
[12:11] <bddebian> siretart: It is cdbs :-)
[12:11] <bddebian> Hi raphink
[12:11] <bddebian> siretart: I'm just trying to build 4.0 instead of 3.0
[12:12] <phanatic> good night everyone
[12:12] <raphink> night phanatic
[12:12] <bddebian> Gnight phanatic
[12:18] <LaserJock> crimsun: what link?
[12:19] <bddebian> LaserJock: At the bottom of the merges pages
[12:19] <bddebian> I assume
[12:19] <bddebian> Shows you updates to merged packages
[12:20] <LaserJock> oh, I never reached the bottom before ;-)
[12:20] <bddebian> siretart: Want to look at scilab for me? :-)
[12:21] <siretart> bddebian: no, but the debian maintainer is wondering about your package..
[12:21] <LaserJock> heh
[12:21] <bddebian> siretart: That bad?
[12:22] <LaserJock> what debian mainainer?
[12:22] <bddebian> And which maintainer?
[12:22] <siretart> bddebian: you seem to have forgotten a 'make clean' ;)
[12:22] <bddebian> I thought he orphaned it
[12:22] <siretart> daniel 'panthera' baumann is preparing a 4.0 upload
[12:23] <bddebian> In what year?
[12:23] <siretart> oh, now he tells the upstream clean was broken. anyway, its late for me
[12:24] <bddebian> siretart: Is he on OFTC?
[12:24] <siretart> he is
[12:25] <bddebian> siretart: Would he mind if I talked to him?
[12:26] <siretart> bddebian: just do, I told him to contact you via email
[12:52] <raphink> time to upgrade my server to edgy
[12:52] <raphink> tadaaaaa
[12:52] <siretart> brave boy.. :)
[12:52] <rob> yep, my thoughts too
[12:52] <raphink> lol
[12:52] <raphink> not my laptop though
[12:52] <rob> I'm only just upgrading my chroot for building packages now
[12:53] <raphink> mhm
[12:53] <raphink> that's what I was doing so far
[12:53] <raphink> but my /var disk is dying
[12:53] <raphink> so I can't use my chroot anymore
[12:53] <raphink> so heh
[12:53] <raphink> time to upgrade the server
[12:53] <raphink> :)
[12:53] <raphink> no choice
[12:53] <rob> ouch
[12:54] <rob> good, err, luck :)
[12:54] <raphink> :)
[12:54] <raphink> well it works fine with chroots and pbuilders
[12:54] <raphink> so it should be fine
[12:54] <siretart> well, edgy is still a kinda 'moving target'
[12:55] <siretart> you cannot really predict what gets changed/updated in what way
[12:55] <siretart> which I find 'interesting' for servers..
[12:55] <raphink> yes I know
[12:55] <raphink> but it doesn't matter
[12:55] <raphink> :)
[12:55] <raphink> it's a test server ;)
[12:56] <rob> I was just about to say I hope thats not a mission critical server
[12:56] <siretart> hm. I could create another xen instance...
[12:56] <raphink> rob: no it's just my frontal lol
[12:56] <raphink> thing crucial
[12:57] <raphink> it's a personal machine
[12:57] <rob> ah, still, ouch
[12:57] <raphink> I surely wouldn't put my working desktop on edgy
[12:59] <rob> yep
[01:00] <rob> I was considering setting up a second partition for an edgy desktop to test with, but my poor 40gig hard drive is bursting at the rivets
[01:01] <rob> I wonder if I can beg the Minister of War and Finance for another?
[01:02] <crimsun> do you have a specific answer in mind?
[01:03] <rob> probably will be "no"..
[01:03] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ping
[01:03] <LaserJock> imbrandon: pong
[01:04] <bddebian> Well, all that scilab work for nothing
[01:07] <raphink> just for fun :)
[01:08] <LaserJock> bddebian: really?
[01:09] <LaserJock> :(
[01:09] <crimsun> why nothing?
[01:09] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah, he is going to do it with debhelper :-)
[01:09] <crimsun> ah, well at least it'll get done.
[01:09] <bddebian> I guess it was a decent learning experience
[01:09] <bddebian> crimsun: We will see :)
[01:10] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, he told me it was a week away like in Feb. or something
[01:10] <LaserJock> hopefully it will indeed be soon
[01:14] <bddebian> LaserJock: I'll annoy the crap out of him like I do crimsun.  It'll get done just to shut me up ;-P
[01:15] <LaserJock> bddebian: eeexcelent ;-)
[01:24] <bddebian> Damn, I see crimsun is busy :-)
[01:37] <LaserJock> xmakemol! \o/
[01:37] <bddebian> huh?
[01:38] <azeem> ah, new upstream version
[01:38] <zul> hey
[01:39] <bddebian> Hey zul
[01:39] <zul> hey bddebian how goes it
[01:40] <bddebian> Fine thanks. You?
[01:40] <zul> good
[01:42] <bddebian> Ack, gotta run, catch you all later
[01:45] <zul> time to test new grub..
[03:34] <fowlduck> howdy people
[03:41] <LaserJock> hi fowlduck
[03:42] <jsgotangco> good morning
[03:42] <fowlduck> I'm still getting everything setup to start packaging from home, I'll be with ya later LaserJock....MUHAHAHA.....
[03:42] <rob> hmmkay
[03:43] <fowlduck> sorry, long day
[03:43] <rob> :)
[03:47] <Kyral> You ain't going anywhere :P
[03:51] <LaserJock> why not? ;p
[03:52] <Kyral> Uuuuu
[03:52] <Kyral> I because I said so
[03:52] <Kyral> thats hwy
[03:52] <fowlduck> good enough for me
[03:52] <Kyral> yah thats it :P
[03:52] <LaserJock> fine
[03:52] <LaserJock> dang, I just got my new credit cards today
[03:53] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: no driver's license yet i assume?
[03:54] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I got that first, took about 1hr at the dmv
[03:54] <LaserJock> I drive a lot so it was pretty important
[03:54] <fowlduck> LaserJock, lol
[03:54] <fowlduck> I drive a lot, maybe I should get a driver's license
[03:56] <LaserJock> it would be bad to not have a license here
[03:57] <jsgotangco> well should be anywhere
[03:57] <jsgotangco> you could get jailed
[03:57] <jsgotangco> well you *should* be jailed driving without one
[04:02] <Erlang> what is the Merge-O-Matic?
[04:02] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:02] <bddebian> Erlang: Automatically merges packages from Deiban
[04:02] <bddebian> Err Debian even
[04:02] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[04:02] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[04:02] <Erlang> okay.
[04:02] <jsgotangco> Mom!
[04:03] <Erlang> *subject shift*, is there an official form to request a backport?
[04:03] <bddebian> Erlang: I think a bug report on LP, but don't quote me
[04:03] <jsgotangco> there's an LP entry for that
[04:03] <LaserJock> Erlang: it's a close relative of Keybuck's ;-)
[04:03] <bddebian> hehe
[04:04] <jsgotangco> but its mostly backport *fixes* rather than actual backport apps
[04:04] <LaserJock> really? we can't but our crackful edgy stuff in there? ;-)
[04:05] <Erlang> okay, so backports are mostly for fixes?
[04:05] <bddebian> LaserJock: Nah, that's dapper-updates ;-P
[04:06] <LaserJock> Erlang: I don't know, if you want it file a bug and see what they say :-)
[04:06] <jsgotangco> Erlang: according to LP
[04:06] <jsgotangco> A backport is a fix that is uploaded to an already-released version of a distribution  for example, to fix a security vulnerability or critical data-loss bug.
[04:07] <jsgotangco> =)
[04:07] <Erlang> oh, okay.  nevermind then.
[04:07] <LaserJock> what?
[04:07] <LaserJock> that's not right
[04:07] <LaserJock> that's what -security and -updates are fore
[04:07] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: file a bug =)
[04:08] <Erlang> It'd be cool to have an authoritative opinion on that...
[04:09] <bddebian> Erlang: LaserJock is THE authority around here :-)
[04:09] <LaserJock> well, I think the TB is pretty authoritative
[04:09] <LaserJock> bddebian: hah, hardly
[04:09] <Erlang> the TB?
[04:09] <LaserJock> Technical Board
[04:09] <Erlang> ok
[04:09] <LaserJock> in a TB meeting not terribly long ago the backporting policy was discussed
[04:10] <LaserJock> siretart made a wiki page about it, you might try looking it up
[04:10] <jsgotangco> Erlang: if you need the authority on software packaging LaserJock is DA MAN
[04:10] <LaserJock> bah
[04:11] <LaserJock> what the heck, I'm starting to feel like bddebian
[04:11] <jsgotangco> don't be surprised if he makes a dpkg replacement soon =D
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:12] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: heh, I don't think so
[04:12] <Erlang> I myself wouldn't have any problem being told I'm good.
[04:13] <bddebian> LaserJock: Why is that?
[04:13] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[04:13] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian :)  did my stuff work?
[04:13] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Worked For Me(TM)
[04:13] <bddebian> Didn't they hit the archive?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yay.  no idea, i just turned the computer on
[04:14] <bddebian> Ah
[04:14] <Hobbsee> and my edgy partition is kinda screwed at the moment
[04:15] <LaserJock> noo wayy ;-)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> the merging doc could be simplified to include the MoM stuff...
[04:17] <Erlang> ah, well, I'm gonna fill a but about updating Erlang to 10.b.10.  Just making sure it builds out of the box on Dapper.
[04:17] <LaserJock> Erlang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportsHowto in case you haven't found it
[04:17] <jsgotangco> see ya guys later, we're heading for imax today =)
[04:18] <bddebian> Nice, enjoy
[04:18] <LaserJock> oh cool
[04:18] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: enjoy
[04:19] <Erlang> Sorry.  I just love how that looks.
[04:25] <bddebian> Hmm, shite, ajunta doesn't build in edgy pbuilder
[04:25] <Hobbsee> ahha
[04:25] <Hobbsee> it hates you
[04:25] <Hobbsee> why this time?
[04:25] <bddebian> creating libanjuta-devhelp.la
[04:26] <bddebian> /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libwnck-1.la: No such file or directory
[04:26] <bddebian> libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libwnck-1.la' is not a valid libtool archive
[04:26] <bddebian> make[4] : *** [libanjuta-devhelp.la]  Error 1
[04:28] <Hobbsee> bddebian: and where is that file?
[04:29] <bddebian> Good freakin question.  I haven't looked yet :-)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> looking now
[04:30] <Hobbsee> bddebian: b-d on libwnck-dev
[04:30] <Hobbsee> that should solve your problem
[04:34] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Trying now, thanks
[04:34] <Hobbsee> bddebian:  :)
[04:36] <LaserJock> imbrandon!
[04:37] <imbrandon_> heh LaserJock , we have a hard time getting online at the same time ;)
[04:37] <LaserJock> hehe
[04:37] <LaserJock> brb
[04:39] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: got my new iBook running ;)
[04:39] <imbrandon_> Sysinfo for 'shuttlepod': Linux 2.6.15-23-powerpc running KDE 3.5.3, CPU:  at 0 MHz (24 bogomips), , RAM: 618/628MB, 81 proc's, 55.0min up
[04:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: yay!
[04:39] <Hobbsee> 0 MHz?  :P
[04:39] <imbrandon_> lol i think the konvo scipt is messed up
[04:40] <imbrandon_> script*
[04:41] <LaserJock> nice, 24 bogomips
[04:41] <imbrandon_> lol
[04:41] <imbrandon_> brb
[04:42] <LaserJock> doh, I've been /query'ing his other self
[04:58] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Still no worky
[05:06] <Hobbsee> bddebian: darn!  that's what package p.u.c says the file is in
[05:06] <Hobbsee> what was the erro r this time?
[05:06] <bddebian> Same thing but I'm in pbuilder login now :-)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> er, what?
[05:10] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I did a pbuilder login so I can check it more closely
[05:17] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ah ok
[05:26] <bddebian> Gah, it needs libtool
[05:26] <bddebian> #$!#@$%
[05:29] <LaserJock> oh, nice swearing
[05:29] <bddebian> :-)
[05:30] <Hobbsee_phone> hehe
[05:30] <Hobbsee_phone> bddebian: why dont you teach the devs something too?  :P
[05:31] <bddebian> 'cause I'm stupid
[05:31] <Hobbsee_phone> sure you can
[05:49] <Kyral> Night people
[05:51] <Hobbsee> bye Kyral
[05:51] <Hawkwind> Kyral: Sleep well
[08:48] <ajmitch> evening
[09:02] <Gloubiboulga> hi ajmitch
[09:29] <phanatic> morning
[09:30] <rob> hi phanatic
[09:30] <phanatic> hey rob
[09:36] <phanatic> siretart: ping
[09:36] <siretart> hi phanatic
[09:37] <phanatic> hi siretart, sysinfo is still not in the dapper-updates archive. what went wrong?
[09:37] <ajmitch> hello siretart
[09:39] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[09:39] <siretart> phanatic: sysinfo? err, I don't really remember, did I upload it for you? didn't I bounce you the ACCEPTED mail?
[09:40] <siretart> grr. why dpkg-buildpackage doesn't exclude my .bzr directory anymore.. hmm
[09:40] <phanatic> siretart: yeah, you were sponsoring it. i got the mail, but still no package available...
[09:41] <siretart> phanatic: ah, I think I remember keybuk asking me who approved the upload
[09:41] <siretart> phanatic: perhaps you should mail keybuk/mdz about that
[09:42] <phanatic> siretart: ok, i'll do that
[09:48] <phanatic> siretart: i mailed keybuk, waiting for an answer :)
[10:55] <looksaus> I have a somewhat exotic keyboard layout: an iBook with Belgian keyboard
[10:56] <looksaus> I wonder what I could do to make it really well supported
[10:57] <looksaus> right now, the console keymap is quite ok, but the X support for it is almost nonexistant
[10:58] <looksaus> I would like to get a clean Belgian iBook layout, integrated with Ubuntu
[10:58] <looksaus> any suggestions on where to start?
[11:51] <kelmo> moin
[11:52] <kelmo> hi siretart, got a minute or two?
[11:53] <AnAnt> lionelp: thanks for your comments, as for kchmviewer, when I made it (a month or two ago), there wasn't a debian package, anyways, the kchmviewer I provide does not depend on KDE, only QT
[11:53] <AnAnt> lionelp: the previous version of kchmviewer (v1.3) that was on Ubuntu, was depending on KDE
[11:57] <AnAnt> lionelp: as for other packages, ok, if I find a package on debian I won't send it to REVU, I was told before that it is OK
[11:57] <AnAnt> I got a question about REVU, why doesn't it email me the comments that people send on packages I upload ?
[11:58] <AnAnt> or at least email me with a notification that there is a comment
[11:58] <AnAnt> errr, nevermind, it seems I should subscribe to some list
[11:58] <ajmitch> because noone hacked that in to email uploaders directly, just the mailing list
[11:59] <AnAnt> k, thanks
[12:00] <AnAnt> lionelp: seems you are away, so later then
[12:42] <siretart> kelmo: heyhi
[12:42] <siretart> heyho, that is
[12:47] <kelmo> hehe
[12:47] <kelmo> siretart: launchpad #51351
[12:47] <siretart> kelmo: just wanted to talk to you about that
[12:47] <kelmo> siretart: from the limited information on that report, i think its fixed in svn
[12:48] <siretart> wow! that was fast
[12:48] <kelmo> and the env issue should also be addressed
[12:48] <kelmo> *should*
[12:48] <kelmo> lets test it out
[12:50] <siretart> regarding the Keybuks new world order about an ifupdown replacement, I think this is this spec: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/replacement-networking
[12:50] <kelmo> ah, cool
[12:50] <siretart> looking at the whiteboard, it looks like we will stay with ifupdown in edgy
[12:50] <kelmo> will have a read
[12:50] <kelmo> well, it would take quite some work
[12:51] <kelmo> okay, seems it still needs more thought
[12:53] <siretart> perhaps edgy+1, perhaps netconf-devel comes with something new earlier..
[12:53] <kelmo> yeah, about that
[12:54] <kelmo> is netconf-devel alive? just a bit quiet?
[12:54] <siretart> well, there are some interested ppl subscribed, but noone seems to have time atm to work on it
[12:55] <siretart> I think anyone is invited to discuss and hack
[12:55] <kelmo> there is code and specification drafted somewhere?
[12:55] <kelmo> and/or
[12:55] <kelmo> i could not yield much with google
[12:56] <kelmo> but possibly would be interested in helping in some form or another
[12:56] <siretart> I'm not sure, I think there is only the mailing list archive
[12:57] <siretart> the idea was to craft a ifupdown replacement in python first, test it, and port it then to c++
[01:11] <DanielC> Hi all. I'm learning to make .deb packages and have a question: dh_testdir "makes sure that you are in the correct directory when building a package". Which directory is that? The base package directory? The debian subdirectory? The src subdirectory?
[01:12] <DanielC> I assume that it's wherever I would normally run ./configure. Is that right?
[01:12] <kelmo> siretart: i am pretty confident I've accounted for the ifstate debian<=>ubuntu divergence
[01:12] <kelmo> siretart: is there anything todo on launchpad for that? or maybe worth requesting another upload?
[01:13] <kelmo> siretart: i guess some testing/confirmation would also be in order
[01:13] <siretart> kelmo: I need to leave for lunch now
[01:13] <siretart> kelmo: I'm trying to convert my system to the wpa-roam mode, but I'm having some troubles
[01:13] <siretart> (wpa_cli doesn't block here)
[01:14] <siretart> will investigate later
[01:14] <siretart> cu later
[01:14] <kelmo> seeya
[01:14] <kelmo> DanielC: usually in the parent directory to the debian one
[01:15] <DanielC> kelmo: Thanks.
[01:15] <kelmo> ie ./debian should exist in your building path
[01:15] <DanielC> I think I understand...
[01:16] <DanielC> So, on debian/rules, after I run dh_testdir, I can reasonably assume I'm in the parent directory of 'debian'... right?
[01:17] <kelmo> the path `./debian/rules' kinda suggests that
[01:18] <DanielC> kelmo: Since the 'rules' file is in the 'debian' directory, it's not obvious to me that dh_testdir is equivalent to 'cd ..'. That's why I ask.
[01:19] <kelmo> DanielC: $(CURDIR) env variable is set somewhere
[01:19] <DanielC> ok
[01:19] <kelmo> DanielC: you could assume that $(CURDIR) is where you are working from, iirc
[01:20] <DanielC> Ok, that's useful. Thanks.
[01:25] <\sh> moins
[01:25] <kelmo> gday \sh
[01:43] <lfittl> does somebody have time to upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2568 for me? (already reviewed and uploaded yesterday, but the buildds override some flags, so it FTBFS)
[02:01] <sivang> lfittl: hi, what was the buildds problem with your package?
[02:01] <lfittl> sivang: for some reason CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS is set to "" when built by the buildds but not when built by p
[02:01] <lfittl> builder
[02:02] <sivang> lfittl: I see, do you have enough advocates for the package ?
[02:02] <lfittl> it is just an update, and I got one yesterday, so I would say yes ;)
[02:03] <sivang> lfittl: cool, do you know if this update is likely to come from debian ? because if so, and your changes are adopted upstream, we'd better wait for it to sync or file a sync request
[02:04] <sivang> ajmitch, siretart : what do I need to do to become a MOTU review, and be able to do logins in REVU, test builds etc?
[02:04] <sivang> lfittl: I just want to amek sure I go through the right administrativa before I Upload :)
[02:05] <sivang> raphink , siretart , ajmitch : also, is thre and easy way to get the source from REVU for local testing?
[02:05] <lfittl> sivang: it was not updated in debian for a long time, so I took over maintainership for ubuntu last november
[02:05] <raphink> not yet sivang
[02:05] <raphink> in REVU2 there'll be a deb-src repository
[02:05] <raphink> it's part of the specs
[02:07] <bigon> hi, I have a question... are the new packages in debian automaticaly synced in edgy? and if not how can I ask a package to be added in universe?
[02:08] <raphink> they should be synced imo
[02:09] <bigon> ok thx
[02:35] <Yagisan> hey StevenK, what's up ?
[02:36] <StevenK> Not much. Trying to motivate myself after watching the footy.
[02:36] <StevenK> It isn't working.
[02:38] <Yagisan> StevenK: I'm wondering why cmake hates me. Followed the tuts' and the scripts look right, but it claims it can't find my headers
[02:41] <Yagisan> StevenK: autotools replacement.
[02:41] <Yagisan> StevenK: has human readable build scripts ;)
[02:41] <StevenK> Ah.
[02:41] <Yagisan> StevenK: but hates me just as much ans autotools does.
[02:42] <\sh> Yagisan: latest cmake version?
[02:42] <Yagisan> \sh: yep. Edgy's
[02:43] <StevenK> Yagisan: I'd believe that auto* is large enough to have a personality, but I don't know about cmake ....
[02:43] <\sh> Yagisan: ah...that reminds me to provide some new kde4 and qt packages for our fellow KDE core devs
[02:43] <Yagisan> brb - daughter still sick
[02:43] <\sh> but I don't have the drive to do it now
[02:45] <havoc> that sucks
[02:45] <havoc> our neighbor and his family are really sick too, so I cut their lawn for them yesterday
[02:45] <kelmo> my mums got the shits ;-) (literally ;-)
[02:45] <sivang> raphink: I'll just fetch for the source then with wget
[02:46] <raphink> sure sivang
[02:46] <Yagisan> kelmo: now imagine a 2 year old like that. On carpet. I await your pity.
[02:47] <\sh> I traveled by train last monday to karlsruhe, when I started in cologne, it was 20 degrees C outside, in the train, the aircondition was set to -10 degrees C something like that, and when I arrived in karlsruhe, it was 35 degrees C, so I just catched it...
[02:48] <havoc> 35C is damn hot
[02:49] <\sh> havoc: well, soccer championships in germany, what do you expect from the weather ;) we need to provide a good environment for brasilia...
[02:49] <havoc> bah
[02:58] <sivang> hmm?
[02:58] <sivang> sivan@swirl:~/src-pkgs$ wget http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/libloki-0607010730/libloki_0.1.5-0ubuntu2_source.changes
[02:58] <sivang> --15:57:38--  http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/libloki-0607010730/libloki_0.1.5-0ubuntu2_source.changes
[02:58] <sivang>            => `libloki_0.1.5-0ubuntu2_source.changes'
[02:58] <sivang> Resolving revu.tauware.de... 69.60.114.100
[02:58] <sivang> Connecting to revu.tauware.de|69.60.114.100|:80... connected.
[02:58] <sivang> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
[02:58] <sivang> 15:57:44 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
[02:58] <sivang> lfittl: do you know why I can't get that file? :)
[02:58] <ajmitch> sivang: because you shouldn't, and you don't need it
[02:59] <sivang> ajmitch: ah, this is something special to REVU ?
[02:59] <\sh> no..it's purpose :)
[02:59] <ajmitch> yes, it's called filesystem permissions
[02:59] <sivang> ajmitch: no, I meant, that file...
[03:00] <ajmitch> you know that a .changes file is what is uploaded
[03:00] <sivang> ajmitch: it's left over from the build attempt, I see, so I shouldn't need it anyways
[03:00] <sivang> ajmitch: yes
[03:01] <ajmitch> and that some MOTU could put a package up for review, and then some random person could decide to grab the changes file & stick it in the archive
[03:01] <ajmitch> since that changes file has the signature needed
[03:02] <sivang> ajmitch: right, I see. btw, what do I need to do to become a REVU registered reviewer?
[03:02] <ajmitch> ask someone with access
[03:03] <sivang> ajmitch: k, thanks
[03:03] <sivang> hmm, LP is slow today or is it just me ? :)
[03:20] <sivang> lfittl: going over the source now
[03:40] <lfittl> sivang: thanks (sry, was away from the computer)
[03:45] <siretart> kelmo: still around?
[03:45] <siretart> kelmo: ok, I got back, and everyting seems to work now (without that I changed anything, of course)
[03:45] <siretart> I assume that there were some strange association failures..
[03:48] <sivang> siretart: can you set me up as a reviewer in REVU?
[03:49] <sivang> siretart: I'd like to help lfittl with his package
[03:49] <siretart> sivang: sure. whats your email/id in revu?
[03:49] <sivang> siretart: not sure :)
[03:49] <siretart> oh. what email do you use to login?
[03:49] <sivang> in LP ?
[03:49] <siretart> in revu
[03:49] <sivang> I never logged in
[03:49] <siretart> oh. ok.
[03:50] <lfittl> siretart: it should be sivan@ubuntu.com
[03:50] <siretart> please send me an gpg encrypted email with your requested password
[03:50] <sivang> lfittl: ;)
[03:50] <lfittl> ;)
[03:50] <sivang> siretart: I already sent something with my GPG to be able ot upload to REVU
[03:50] <sivang> siretart: does that count as something ?
[03:51] <kelmo> re siretart
[03:51] <siretart> sivang: well, you upload stuff to ubuntu, no? so you can become a reviewer. please email me your requested password
[03:52] <siretart> kelmo: I will keep wpasupplicant in inspection
[03:52] <sivang> siretart: okay, thanks :)
[03:52] <kelmo> siretart: i think something was lost in translation of last sentence ;-)
[03:53] <kelmo> observation perhaps?
[03:53] <siretart> err, I meant I will keep an eye on wpasupplicant
[03:53] <siretart> currently it works for me
[03:53] <siretart> unfortunately, I don't have wpa networks near me to test atm :(
[03:53] <kelmo> i do ;-)
[03:54] <kelmo> siretart: well, we've got some great feedback lately, so that keeps me happy, and I hope you too ;-)
[03:54] <siretart> kelmo: of course!
[03:54] <siretart> kelmo: I think we can close the pseudo RC bug in the next upload
[03:54] <siretart> urgency=low
[03:55] <kelmo> siretart: do as you see fit
[03:56] <siretart> ok
[03:56] <kelmo> am half thinking about pushing an upload candidate to kyle again this weekend, but am wary that it may be too soon
[03:56] <kelmo> what do you think?
[03:56] <siretart> I'm undecided as well.
[03:57] <siretart> sivang: you are sending me empty mails?
[03:57] <siretart> kelmo: lets ask him around wednesday. so that everyone had the complete weekend to test the package
[03:58] <kelmo> siretart: yep, sure
[03:59] <sivang> siretart: sorry, that was a mistake, sending you a good one shortly
[04:05] <kelmo> siretart: gn8 then, until next time ;-)
[04:22] <algor> how use wpa wireless?
[04:25] <AnAnt> lionelp: ok, I just checked kchmviewer, as I told you, my package doesn't require KDE
[04:48] <sivang> guys, has anyone tried to burn something using edgy?
[04:48] <sivang> cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl
[04:48] <sivang> ^^
[04:48] <DanielC> Help:  debuild gives the error "no-copyright-file" but I do have a debian/copyright file. Does anyone know what this means then?
[04:49] <sivang> interestingly, nautilus-cd-burner fails without explenation
[04:49] <AnAnt> DanielC: dunno, but check the permissions of that file
[04:50] <DanielC> AnAnt:  Just checked... the are 644.
[04:51] <AnAnt> DanielC: dunno then
[04:51] <DanielC> Ok, thanks.
[04:52] <DanielC> It also warns "description-starts-with-leading-spaces" but in debian/control the description says:  "Description:Getting Started guide ..."  (ie. I don't see any leading spaces)
[04:54] <AnAnt> DanielC: well, I think that there must be a space
[04:54] <AnAnt> DanielC: I just checked a control file here, and there is a single space after the colon
[04:54] <AnAnt> DanielC: also the long description, each line has a single leading space
[04:55] <DanielC> Ah.
[04:55] <DanielC> My long description starts with 2 spaces.
[04:56] <DanielC> Thanks. The spaces warning is now gone.
[04:56] <AnAnt> k
[04:57] <DanielC> Is there any reason why I shouldn't have a list in the extended description?
[04:58] <DanielC> debuild says "possible unintended list in description"... well I do have a list in the description (a list of chapters).
[04:59] <AnAnt> dunno
[04:59] <DanielC> ok
[05:20] <lfittl> sivang: finished with your review?
[05:23] <Yagisan> ok. any favourite cross-platform build systems guys ? (excluding autotools -too complex, and cmake - too stubborn)
[05:26] <lfittl> maybe scons?
[05:27] <jsgotangco> man ascii worldcup is weird hehhee
[05:27] <Yagisan> I wish cmake worked. It looked perfect :(
[05:27] <lfittl> what is the problem with cmake?
[05:30] <Yagisan> lfittl: it refuses to find my includes, even though it is specifically told where they are
[05:31] <Kamion> Could somebody please check and verify bug 51347?
[05:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51347 in librpcsecgss "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync librpcsecgss 0.13-1from Debian sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/51347
[05:31] <Yagisan> lfittl: and gives me 3 screens worth of errors for my trouble
[05:32] <lfittl> Yagisan: did you ask on the mailinglist what the problem could be?
[05:34] <Yagisan> lfittl: no.
[05:36] <lfittl> Yagisan: maybe its something simple, because not finding the includes sounds like a problem that is easy to solve if you know the system good enough
[05:36] <sivang> lfittl: had a problem with my network, I will upload shortly :)
[05:36] <lfittl> sivang: perfect :)
[05:37] <sivang> siretart: how do you sponser an upload for someone? just dput with the changes file but with your key sign , and his names will be on edgy-changes ?
[05:38] <siretart> sivang: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkging.en.html#s-sponsoring - though I prefer using debsign
[05:39] <Yagisan> lfittl: what to have a look at the output ? I can quickly pastbin it.
[05:39] <Yagisan> s/what/want
[05:40] <lfittl> Yagisan: I don't know cmake good enough, sry, but simply ask on the mailinglist ;)
[05:50] <sivang> siretart: sent you an encrypted password email
[05:50] <sivang> siretart: let me know if you got it
[05:53] <sivang> lfittl: where is the upstream source for libloki published ?
[05:53] <lfittl> sivang: http://www.sf.net/projects/loki-lib/
[05:54] <sivang> lfittl: thanks
[05:55] <sivang> come one sf.net, let's see your first page :)
[05:55] <sivang> ah, finally
[05:56] <lfittl> :)
[06:03] <siretart> lfittl: you want to package libloki?
[06:03] <lfittl> siretart: I already packaged it
[06:04] <sivang> lfittl: almost done :)
[06:04] <lfittl> siretart: and I also maintain it since last year
[06:04] <sivang> lfittl: are you going to be maintaining it in debian as well?
[06:05] <siretart> lfittl: nice. there are really nice concepts in alexandrescu's work
[06:05] <lfittl> sivang: I was planning that since months, but I have not found time to talk with madduck about this yet (he is the old maintainer)
[06:06] <lfittl> siretart: I know, it is a really useful library :)
[06:06] <siretart> sivang: you don't really care about encrypted mails, eh? ;) - anyway, I updated your password and your access level
[06:06] <sivang> siretart: did it arrive to you unencrypted?! O_o
[06:07] <siretart> sivang: yes, it was signed only
[06:07] <sivang> siretart: oh crap
[06:07] <sivang> siretart: I'm a bit lost today :)
[06:07] <siretart> lfittl: you should really talk to madduck soon, I read somewhere that he welcomes comaintainers
[06:07] <sivang> I did clean sign instead of ascii armor
[06:07] <sivang> clear, even
[06:07] <siretart> lfittl: you can find him often on irc.oftc.net
[06:07] <sivang> siretart: thanks, nonetheless
[06:08] <lfittl> siretart: k, will try to talk to him tomorrow
[06:08] <sivang> lfittl: I see you mentione on the changlog that the LDFLAGS and CFLAGS ftbs fixup was accepted upstream, why , then are you patching it in the package?
[06:09] <lfittl> sivang: because the fix is not released, only commited in cvs
[06:09] <sivang> lfittl: I see, okay, which means you will need to repack upstream source when they fix it :-)
[06:09] <siretart> lfittl: alexandrescu is still working on it?
[06:10] <sivang> huh?
[06:10] <sivang> dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open ./debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory
[06:10] <sivang> dpkg-source: error: syntax error in parsed version of changelog at line 0: empty file
[06:10] <lfittl> siretart: he sometimes contributes new stuff, but the bug fixing is primarily done by Peter Kmmel, Richard Sposato and me (I work on the makefiles)
[06:10] <sivang> -rw-r--r-- 1 sivan sivan 1879 2006-07-01 16:00 changelog
[06:10] <siretart> lfittl: ah. I see
[06:10] <sivang> this is in libloki-0.1.5/debian
[06:11] <sivang> siretart: any idea? ^^
[06:11] <sivang> siretart: (I downloaded that upstream tarball, and applied lfittl's diff to it and attempting a test build)
[06:12] <sivang> hrm, this is the same with lfittl's source from REVU
[06:14] <sivang> lfittl: did you have any trouble building it on your edgy?
[06:15] <siretart> sivang: err, huh?
[06:15] <sivang> siretart: weird issue with dpkg-parschangelog
[06:15] <siretart> sivang: call it again from ..
[06:15] <lfittl> sivang: I built it under dapper with an edgy pbuilder and it worked without any problem
[06:16] <sivang> siretart: let me try
[06:17] <sivang> libloki-test/libloki-0.1.5$ dpkg-parsechangelog
[06:17] <sivang> Source: libloki
[06:17] <sivang> Version: 0.1.5-0ubuntu2
[06:17] <sivang> Distribution: edgy
[06:17] <sivang> ....
[06:17] <seaLne> is there a problem uploading to revu just now?
[06:17] <sivang> works fine on its own
[06:17] <sivang> doing so from debuild explodes
[06:23] <AnAnt> There is a package that I have uploaded before, I made some changes again to it. can I only upload the diff as I am on  a low bandwidth connection ?
[06:26] <AnAnt> is anyone there ?
[06:44] <phanatic> hi people
[07:00] <sivang> lfittl: did you package the test directory as well? ( and have it usable from the debian package)
[07:02] <lfittl> sivang: no, because some tests fail on non-x86 architectures
[07:06] <sivang> lfittl: okay, how can I test the the package is operational after I have installed your packages ?
[07:06] <sivang> lfittl: (like a small test prog , tomake sure linkage is okay etc)
[07:07] <lfittl> sivang: you can't right now, but do you think it is necessary? (most library packages don't include test programs, only some include examples in an extra package)
[07:08] <sivang> lfittl: well, I am not holding it as somethiing I want to see before I upload, just wanted to try it to see if we're uploading something that works or provides anything :-)
[07:08] <sivang> lfittl: how do you make sure your packaging is right if you don't try to use the library as it's installed on your ubuntu systme?
[07:09] <sivang> lfittl: (that is, to make sure stuff dynamically linked against it works)
[07:10] <lfittl> sivang: I run the tests and use the includes and libraries from the system, instead of the ones included with the source
[07:10] <lfittl> sivang: not the best solution, but I will improve this with future releases
[07:11] <sivang> lfittl: cool, how can I do that as well?
[07:11] <lfittl> sivang: you must change some parts of the makefile
[07:12] <lfittl> sivang: change the first two lines of test/Makefile, simple remove -I../../include and -L../../lib
[07:17] <sivang> lfittl: I need to leave export LDLIBS = -lloki
[07:17] <sivang> lfittl: right?
[07:17] <lfittl> yep
[07:17] <sivang> k, sec
[07:18] <sivang> yay, it builds
[07:18] <lfittl> :)
[07:19] <sivang> g++ --shared  -L. -o singletondll.dll singletondll.o -lfoo -lloki
[07:19] <sivang> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lfoo
[07:19] <sivang> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[07:19] <sivang> ^ ?
[07:19] <sivang> this is when doing
[07:19] <sivang> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/sivan/MOTU-review/libloki/libloki-0.1.5/test/SingletonDll'
[07:19] <lfittl> hmm
[07:20] <lfittl> how are you calling make?
[07:20] <sivang> just make ;-)
[07:20] <lfittl> from which directory?
[07:21] <sivang> from the /test dir
[07:21] <sivang> should I be doing this one level up?
[07:22] <lfittl> if you call it from test you have to use "make OS=Linux"
[07:24] <sivang> lfittl: ah :)
[07:24] <lfittl> :)
[07:25] <sivang> yay, seems to be working !
[07:26] <lfittl> nice :)
[07:26] <sivang> ./SmallObjBench is nice
[07:26] <sivang> anyway, sign and upload now
[07:27] <lfittl> thanks for testing, and also thanks for uploading ;)
[07:28] <sivang> lfittl: I had pleasure doing so, this is REALLY interesting library
[07:30] <lfittl> sivang: I know, hopefully more people will start using it, it really allows you to create complex programs more easily
[07:35] <sivang> Successfully uploaded packages.
[07:35] <sivang> Not running dinstall.
[07:35] <sivang> lfittl: ^^
[07:35] <lfittl> ^^
[07:35] <sivang> lfittl: yes, let's hope more and more people will use it indeed :)
[07:37] <lfittl> sivang: something different, do you know if the upstream version freeze on July 13th also applies to universe?
[07:37] <sivang> lfittl: IIRC we try to keep it that way, but exceptions can be considered on a specific basis. Better talk to ogra or dhlobach wheren they are here
[07:38] <sivang> or even siretart -
[07:38] <sivang> siretart: ^^
[07:38] <sivang> lfittl: packages is accepted, now just wait for it to bin build
[07:38] <lfittl> yep, I know ;)
[07:39] <sivang> lfittl: did you get confiramtion email ? :)
[07:40] <lfittl> siretart: no, but I am subscribed to edgy-changes
[07:40] <sivang> lfittl: ah, cool
[07:54] <CarlFK> running for dumbest question of the day: I thought I started a wiki page describign how to build a .deb from src - like a generic version of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildingWineFromSource
[07:55] <CarlFK> but now I can't find the page - anyone seen it?
[08:02] <sivang> anyway, some weekend time is in place now
[08:02] <sivang> laters all
[08:02] <siretart> lfittl: yes, UVF freeze applies to all components of ubuntu
[08:03] <lfittl> siretart: k, and completely new packages are accepted until feature freeze?
[08:04] <siretart> jupp
[08:04] <lfittl> good :)
[08:41] <siretart> is Robin Sonefors around?
[08:58] <ozamosi> siretart: yes, that's me.
[08:58] <siretart> ozamosi: you are in the lp group?
[08:58] <ozamosi> Yes.
[08:59] <crimsun> I ought to trawl revu
[08:59] <crimsun> there's a /huge/ backlog
[08:59] <siretart> crimsun: got my email regarding b-m-p?
[09:00] <crimsun> siretart: let me check e-mail; I may need it resent
[09:01] <crimsun> siretart: I see it, reading now
[09:03] <crimsun> siretart: sure, I'll handle the merge. Our orig.tar.gzs /should/ differ since the default skins are different.
[09:05] <siretart> crimsun: I think this is unfortunate, since it confuses merging. if you could add a note about this in debian/changelog, perhaps I won't get confused next time ;)
[09:06] <siretart> crimsun: btw, is there a debian bug about this?
[09:06] <crimsun> siretart: well, I could just drop the Ubuntu skin altogether so we can revert to Debian packaging
[09:06] <crimsun> I'm not terribly keen on maintaining extra deltas
[09:08] <siretart> reverting to debian is only possible if a new orig.tar.gz arrives at debian
[09:09] <siretart> crimsun: perhaps it would be wise to reupload the orig.tar.gz with 'ubuntu' in its name (and adding a note in debian/changelog)
[09:09] <siretart> crimsun: we do this with xine as well, in order to avoid confusion
[09:10] <siretart> and debian is using 'dfsg' for this
[09:10] <crimsun> no one has stated either way that the default skin in the Ubuntu packaging is pleasing or disgusting, so I'm inclined to just rework the orig.tar.gz (for clarification)
[09:10] <crimsun> added to TODO
[09:21] <ivoks> anyone interested in providing some feedback? :)
[09:21] <ivoks> (non-HP printer required)
[09:25] <Yagisan> ivoks: for what ?
[09:25] <ozamosi> I'm trying to use motu-tools to sync a package, but I get an error message that seems to say that getSubjectFromWeb has a regex that doesn't match.
[09:26] <ozamosi> Am I doing something wrong, or is something broken?
[09:26] <ivoks> Yagisan: to test one dirty hack that should auto-install usb printers
[09:26] <ivoks> Yagisan: it's a plain bash script
[09:27] <Yagisan> ivoks: will it kill an existing usb printer setup on dapper ?
[09:28] <ivoks> Yagisan: nope
[09:28] <Yagisan> ivoks: ok. What would you like me to do. Should be a nice distraction from my cmake woes
[09:28] <Yagisan> ?
[09:28] <ivoks> Yagisan: well, first of all, what printer is that?
[09:29] <Yagisan> ivoks: lsusb thinks it is "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04a9:1056 Canon, Inc. BJC-2110 Color Printer" but the plastic badge says BJC-2100SP. cheap n nasty.
[09:30] <ivoks> Yagisan: i tested this with HPs only, but i think it should work with non-HP too, that's why i need someone to test it :)
[09:31] <ivoks> Yagisan: do you accept dcc?
[09:36] <ozamosi> ...please? Somebody?
[09:40] <lifeless> ozamosi: perhaps if you give some more detail
[09:41] <ozamosi> python lpbugs.py -u -b 51526 -s Gives me "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'group'"
[09:41] <ozamosi> The traceback is here: http://pastebin.ca/76535
[09:42] <ozamosi> What details do you want?
[09:44] <lifeless> I want someone familiar with it to jump in and help ;)
[09:44] <ozamosi> That's a valid wish ;)
[09:44] <lifeless> Yagisan: any idea
[09:48] <ozamosi> That's odd... The regex in the code searches for ", but launchpad has  - that's not the same character...
[09:48] <Yagisan> lifeless: no. My python is almost non-existent.
[09:49] <ozamosi> Ah, that fixed it!
[10:06] <AnAnt> anyone here ?
[10:06] <DanielC> I'm here :)
[10:06] <AnAnt> ok
[10:06] <AnAnt> I uploaded a package before, and now I did some changes, can I just upload the diff file ?
[10:07] <AnAnt> so do I
[10:08] <crimsun> no, upload the entire source package again.
[10:16] <AnAnt> k
[10:17] <AnAnt> lionelp: you there ?
[10:52] <lionelp> eh, how can AnAnt think that a french can be there during bresil-france :)
[10:53] <tuxmaniac> :((
[10:56] <lionelp> tuxmaniac: are you brasilian ?
[10:56] <tuxmaniac> lionelp> nope.
[10:56] <tuxmaniac> lionelp> Indian. Yesterday I wanted Argentina to win.. Today I wanted Brasil to win.
[10:57] <Yagisan> ah, I can see the sunrise
[10:57] <Yagisan> right then
[10:57] <Yagisan> I'm off to bed
[10:57] <Yagisan> bye all
[10:57] <crimsun> 'morning :)
[10:58] <_ion> Everyone loses.