[12:07] <DaSkreech> macconline: You can ask again in about 10 minutes to see if someone has a answer. I'm not sure
[12:07] <DaSkreech> flosch: You have a very strange install :)
[12:07] <flosch> DaSkreech: :-/
[12:08] <DaSkreech> flosch: I don't even have ashow changes under View
[12:08] <ubuntu_> gatekeeper: would rather not reinstall.  I guess I can, but I'd like to know this won't happen again.  I did dist-upgrade so everything would be up to date.
[12:08] <flosch> DaSkreech: mhm ... strange
[12:08] <DaSkreech> VEry
[12:09] <flosch> DaSkreech: maybe a special german version? :] 
[12:09] <ubuntu_> gatekeeper: I'd like to be able to figure out what went wrong at least, if I can't fix it.
[12:10] <macconline> DaSkreech: very thanks....
[12:10] <zorglu1> how are things tonite ? :)
[12:10] <DaSkreech> macconline: Sure
[12:10] <jaro> quick question
[12:10] <DaSkreech> jaro: Why?
[12:11] <jaro> does anyone know a good DVB-T Program ??
[12:11] <DaSkreech> Mine was quicker :)
[12:11] <zorglu1> jaro: dvb-t = ?
[12:11] <jaro> hehe
[12:11] <ubuntu_> gatekeeper: I booted the liveCD again (hence the IRC handle), so I could pull any error logfiles that might shed some light on the problem.
[12:11] <flosch> what are backports exactly?
[12:11] <jaro> digital TV
[12:11] <jaro> other than kaffeine, kdetv, and klear
[12:12] <zorglu1> jaro: cant help. i dont even know what is digital tv :)
[12:12] <DaSkreech> flosch: There are some programs/fixes that will come up in 6.10 that can be installed in 6.06 These are 'backports" since they should be in the forward looking edition
[12:12] <flosch> Ah ok :)
[12:12] <flosch> thx
[12:12] <jaro> ehm... digital TV is when You receive TV with a usual Antenna
[12:12] <zorglu1> ah ok
[12:12] <gatekeeper> ubuntu_: probable need to establish which pacakages are broken then either reinstall them or remove them
[12:12] <zorglu1> i called that tv :)
[12:13] <jaro> well it used to be either satelite or cabel
[12:13] <jaro> cable
[12:13] <zorglu1> jaro: well most video program can read it
[12:13] <DaSkreech> flosch: Some >might< break programs that you have installed after the installation of Kubuntu but they should work fine with everything that is installed by default and won't break your system
[12:13] <zorglu1> jaro: mythtv is very fancy to do it
[12:13] <flosch> DaSkreech: okay
[12:13] <jaro> hm yea, but hard to install
[12:13] <omgwtflolbbq> does anyone know how to turn military time off of the clock o_o
[12:13] <jaro> any other software ?
[12:14] <zorglu1> jaro: you try to list all video programm or something ? :)
[12:14] <gatekeeper> ubuntu_: going to have to shoot off sorry could not be more help, may be one of the others might be able to better help you. I have only ever used dist-upgrade when moving from say breezy to dapper.
[12:14] <jaro> yeah
[12:14] <jaro> i need to try something else
[12:14] <zorglu1> jaro: well goodle will help you :)
[12:14] <zorglu1> google even
[12:14] <jaro> no it didnt
[12:14] <DaSkreech> jaro: have you tried to apt-get myth-tv?
[12:14] <jaro> maybe you can tell me what string to search for
[12:15] <fazex> Can anyone provide anothe location? Failed to fetch http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/dists/dapper/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[12:15] <jaro> hm ,i might try again
[12:15] <jaro> do i need extra repositories for myth ??
[12:16] <ubuntu_> is there an apt command for finding broken packages?
[12:17] <DaSkreech> jaro: Do you have Multiverse?
[12:18] <ubuntu_> is there an apt command for finding broken packages?
[12:18] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install mythtv
[12:18] <jaro> hm... there is Multiverse in Backports
[12:18] <nixternal> !multiverse
[12:18] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[12:18] <jaro> cant find that packacge
[12:18] <nixternal> booyah
[12:18] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Relax a little
[12:18] <jaro> but finds another one refering to it
[12:18] <jaro> libmyth
[12:18] <Jiv0c>   ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing.  For further details, please see the section INSTALLING
[12:18] <Jiv0c>          THE NVIDIA DRIVER in the README available on the Linux driver download page at www.nvidia.com.
[12:18] <Jiv0c> Any one know how to stop X server?
[12:18] <DaSkreech> Jiv0c: /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[12:19] <ubuntu_> ctrl+alt+backspace, no?
[12:19] <nixternal> DaSkreech: i so braindumped on that one
[12:19] <nixternal> that doesn't stop x..just sends you to a terminal
[12:19] <nixternal> DaSkreech displayed the correct way to stop x
[12:19] <Jiv0c> Will i help?
[12:19] <Jiv0c> Will it help
[12:19] <Jiv0c> ?
[12:19] <nixternal> Jiv0c:
[12:19] <nixternal> oops
[12:20] <nixternal> Jiv0c: you need to ctrl+alt+backspace    to get to a terminal..if it goes to a blank screen..just press enter..and then log in if needed..once you are out of KDE and in the terminal..type    sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[12:21] <nixternal> that will give you a blank screen..just press enter and boom..no more x..and you can install the nvidia drivers...which are in the repositories ;)
[12:21] <Jiv0c> Ooh
[12:21] <Jiv0c> Oke
[12:21] <ubuntu_> so, how do I find broken packages?
[12:21] <Jiv0c> I will try
[12:21] <ubuntu_> anyone?
[12:21] <nixternal> ubuntu adept?
[12:22] <ubuntu_> nixternal: I don't exactly have a gui available to me atm
[12:22] <nixternal> ahh..ok
[12:22] <nixternal> if you do     sudo apt-get install -f
[12:22] <nixternal> it should list the broken packages
[12:22] <ubuntu_> nixternal: thx
[12:25] <Jiv0c> No shuch command
[12:26] <Jiv0c> sudo /ect/init.d/kdm stop
[12:27] <nixternal> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[12:27] <nixternal> not ect...etc
[12:27] <nixternal> etc
[12:27] <ubuntu_> nixternal: It says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded, doesn't say anything about broken.  Does that mean I don't have any broken pcakages?
[12:27] <Jiv0c> Lel
[12:27] <nixternal> looks like you don't have any broken packages then
[12:28] <Jiv0c> cntl+alt+F1 insteed of ctrl+alt+backspace?
[12:28] <nixternal> that works Jiv0c
[12:28] <steveire> Do you guys use KDevelop at all?
[12:28] <ubuntu_> nixternal: well that theory's blown then.  I can't get a login prompt, text or graphical
[12:28] <nixternal> whats up steveire
[12:28] <FluxLover> Anyone use a file manager other than Konqueror?
[12:28] <steveire> It seems to be just about as useful as Kate and no more
[12:29] <nixternal> lol
[12:29] <steveire> not much nixternal
[12:29] <nixternal> there are a lot of additional packages to install with kdevelop though
[12:29] <nixternal> if you just do sudo apt-get install kdevelop then sure you aren't going to get much...there are a lot of extra packages that give you a little bit more
[12:30] <nixternal> ubuntu_ just because you can't get a login prompt doesn't mean that there is a broken package..means there is something corrupted though
[12:30] <ubuntu_> steveire: does KDevelop let you compile and run in the program like M$ Visual Studio?
[12:30] <nixternal> what exactly is your issue?
[12:30] <nixternal> yes ubuntu_
[12:30] <grxmrx> hello
[12:30] <nixternal> hello grxmrx
[12:31] <steveire> Not much of an issue really, but I've always used notepad or kedit for programming, and I wanted to see what an IDE is. Maybe I stil don't know what it is... I've never used M$ vis stu.
[12:32] <nixternal> ubuntu_ what exactly is the issue you are having, and what brought you to the "broken package" conclusion?  are you having an x-windows issue?   can you log in via console?  have you tried to boot a safe kernel?
[12:32] <ubuntu_> nixternal: I install Kubuntu Dapper LTS on this system, then installed stuff I usually use.  Now it goes all the way through the bootup sequence, and then goes to a blank screen with a cursor in the corner.
[12:32] <nixternal> you xserver got borked
[12:32] <nixternal> reboot, press escape at the grub window
[12:32] <jerry> No loafing!
[12:32] <nixternal> boot to the safe kernel configuration
[12:32] <grxmrx> I have upgraded kubuntu from breezy to dapper recently and after that my printer is not detected as printer in kubuntu, it is detected as usb device but I cannot add printer since this option is not available in the wizard window
[12:32] <nixternal> then do
[12:33] <nixternal> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:33] <ubuntu_> nixternal: someone on here suggested it.  I'm booted on the system with the liveCD, so I chrooted to the HD and ran the apt-get install -f, in the hopes that I could shed some light one the subject
[12:33] <nixternal> my god i am keyfumbleing
[12:33] <grxmrx> and the question is, is it possible to get printer to work again or I have to install previous relase of kubuntu (plain install)?
[12:34] <steveire> If you were going to code some javascript, what would you use to do it? Just a text editor?
[12:34] <nixternal> steveire: yes
[12:34] <ubuntu_> nixternal: no console login, don't know about the safe kernel thing, never ehard of it
[12:35] <nixternal> ubuntu_ is Kubuntu installed directly on your hard drive, or are you having issues with LiveCD?
[12:35] <ubuntu_> nixternal: directly on hard drive, I booted to the liveCD to investigate and ask IRC
[12:35] <nixternal> ok..good
[12:36] <nixternal> ubuntu_ when you boot up your computer, after the bios post is complete, you get another window that comes up, it is the Grub boot window and has a rather quick 2 or 3 second countdown
[12:36] <steveire> What would you use an IDE for? If you were going to make a GUI app or something?
[12:36] <nixternal> when you see that screen ubuntu_ press escape...that will get you into the grub menu
[12:36] <ubuntu_> nixternal: yeah I saw that
[12:36] <nixternal> select a safe boot option...and then do the     sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:37] <nixternal> just follow through, making sure you select the correct video card driver
[12:37] <ubuntu_> so it might still be an x problem? usually x problems just drop me to console
[12:38] <nixternal> it is an x problem..and sometimes they do..and alot of times they don't
[12:38] <nixternal> steveire: ya, if im messing with gui stuff i use it
[12:38] <nixternal> but then again, i really only mess around with python right now, as my c++ is rather limited ;)
[12:39] <Jiv0c> I get only a screen with Kubuntu on it and i cant do any thing :s
[12:39] <nixternal> Jiv0c: did that work for you?
[12:39] <steveire> Yeah, I use python too, with a text editor
[12:39] <nixternal> Jiv0c: have you tried the how-to for the nvidia drivers in the forums or the wiki?
[12:40] <ubuntu_> nixternal: thx, rebooting now...
[12:40] <Jiv0c> The how to of nvidia is f*ckng hard
[12:40] <DaSkreech> I'm back :-)
[12:40] <nixternal> gl ubuntu_
[12:40] <Jiv0c> Did'n find an wiki
[12:40] <nixternal> haha DaSkreech
[12:40] <nixternal> you get my msg?
[12:40] <nixternal> i was like...omg he dissed me ;)
[12:40] <Hawkwind> Jiv0c: What's so hard about the Nvidia how-to ?
[12:40] <nixternal> Jiv0c: give me one sec..and i will have it for you
[12:41] <nixternal> !nvidia
[12:41] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:41] <jaro> Hmmm can somebody help???
[12:41] <nixternal> there you go
[12:41] <Hawkwind> Jiv0c: You simply install a couple of things, run a command, restart X and you're done
[12:41] <nixternal> i knew it was around here somehwere
[12:41] <jaro> I have an additional monitor plugged in laptop
[12:41] <jaro> whichi am using
[12:41] <jaro> but I cant switch back to the usual LCD
[12:41] <jaro> ??
[12:41] <nixternal> yes jaro
[12:41] <DaSkreech> Yea hI was acroos the room rescuing a system :)
[12:41] <nixternal> jaro: you have to use the fn key to get back your main screen
[12:41] <jaro> that key doesnt work
[12:41] <jaro> I have keytouch installed
[12:41] <nixternal> usually the 'fn key' plus a key with a monitor picture on it
[12:42] <jaro> i know, but it wont work
[12:42] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Normally F5 I think
[12:42] <nixternal> i would look at my laptop but is covered with ubuntu packaging guide, and other crud
[12:42] <jaro> some of the other keys work.. like Volume Up Down
[12:42] <jaro> but not all
[12:42] <nixternal> yes it is f5 ;)
[12:43] <jaro> iknow
[12:43] <nixternal> jaro, then you have to boot up in safe mode and redo your xorg.conf
[12:43] <jaro> and what do you meanby redo ??
[12:43] <nixternal> need to remove the 2nd monitor information..which just might be easier to do the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:43] <jaro> there is no second Monitor information
[12:43] <jaro> because the system used the monitor immediately after reboot
[12:44] <nixternal> that 2nd monitor information has to be removed..as xorg.conf has that external monitor listed as your main monitor
[12:44] <jaro> it only had to be plugged in
[12:44] <nixternal> but now, you can't get the lcd on the lappy working correct?
[12:44] <jaro> the main monitor isnt even configured anyway, because while configuring it crashes the system
[12:44] <nixternal> and using the fn+f5 doesn't work either
[12:44] <nixternal> ahhhh
[12:44] <nixternal> ok..im confused now
[12:44] <jaro> well it doesnt crash
[12:44] <jaro> but
[12:44] <jaro> the screen goes black
[12:45] <jaro> and i cant do anything anymore until another reboot
[12:45] <jaro> or better, i cant see what i am doing
[12:45] <nixternal> oh ya..the good ol' xserver crash w/o warning
[12:45] <DaSkreech> What happens when you jump back to a terminal
[12:45] <jaro> the screen goesblac
[12:45] <jaro> black
[12:45] <nixternal> jaro...when the screen goes black..press ctrl+alt+f1
[12:45] <jaro> it only works with the additional Monitor
[12:45] <lanny> hi, is this the right place to ask about synchronizing my sep900 with kontact or other kde programs (or just backuping it with multisync)?
[12:45] <nixternal> press enter..and boom you will have login
[12:45] <DaSkreech> jaro: can you press Alt+Ctrl+F1 at that point?
[12:45] <nixternal> but no x
[12:45] <nixternal> as your xorg.conf is fubarred
[12:45] <jaro> when the screen goes black once, it will stay black whatever i do until reboot
[12:46] <DaSkreech> jaro: Do you have another computer?
[12:46] <jaro> the Ctr+F1 works fine with the other Moniitor
[12:46] <jaro> no
[12:46] <nixternal> DaSkreech: does the fact he is running keytouch though hamper that key combo?
[12:46] <jaro> i use laptop
[12:46] <Jiv0c> I have no Synaptic Package Manager on my Kubuntu
[12:46] <nixternal> Jiv0c:
[12:46] <nixternal> arg
[12:46] <nixternal> Jiv0c: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[12:46] <Jiv0c> :d A'm ned you know ;)
[12:46] <nixternal> kubuntu uses adept
[12:46] <Jiv0c> NEd = new
[12:47] <nixternal> lol
[12:47] <nixternal> i keep pressing enter instead of tab to autocomplete..that was what the arg was for
[12:47] <nixternal> sorry
[12:47] <nixternal> hehe
[12:47] <DaSkreech> Jiv0c: Use Adept
[12:47] <nixternal> so it just puts your name up there
[12:47] <nixternal> Jiv0c:
[12:47] <jaro> when I try to let reconifgure detect monitor automatically, the screen will turn black
[12:47] <nixternal> ahhhhhh omg
[12:47] <DaSkreech> lol
[12:48] <nixternal> i did it again...i am having a keyfumbeling issue tonight
[12:48] <DaSkreech> You need some tea :)
[12:48] <nixternal> why???
[12:48] <nixternal> you know what..i just might
[12:48] <lanny> probably not :-)
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> How is the best way to disable the update manager and remove adept ?
[12:48] <nixternal> i have been doing  new user netowrk client for most of the day
[12:48] <DaSkreech> apt-get remove adept?
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> (preferably keeping kubuntu-desktop)
[12:48] <jaro> any hints ??
[12:48] <nixternal> that isn't good jaro
[12:48] <jaro> i wonder why noone else has this problem
[12:49] <jaro> i cant find anything in goolge
[12:49] <nixternal> so when you get to the point of the screen setup using "advanced" it just goes blank
[12:49] <nixternal> what laptop is it?
[12:49] <DaSkreech> jaro: have you tried #laptop?
[12:49] <DaSkreech> !laptop
[12:49] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[12:49] <jaro> Acer Aspire 1350
[12:49] <nixternal> it is #ubuntu-laptop
[12:49] <nixternal> and i will be the one helping ;)
[12:49] <jaro> ?
[12:49] <nixternal> lol
[12:49] <nixternal> what model laptop jaro?
[12:49] <jaro> model ?
[12:50] <jaro> 1350 ?
[12:50] <nixternal> make and model of your laptop
[12:50] <jaro> where can i find that ?
[12:50] <nixternal> 1350..a in toshiba satellite 1350?
[12:50] <abattoir> nixternal:  [04:19:03]  <jaro> Acer Aspire 1350
[12:50] <nixternal> who makes your laptop, and what is the model number on the sticker
[12:50] <abattoir> :P
[12:50] <nixternal> ahhhh
[12:50] <nixternal> thanks abattoir
[12:50] <jaro> ;-)
[12:51] <Cholito> !amarok
[12:51] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4, and packages are available for Ubuntu at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php
[12:51] <Cholito> I have amarok installed but I get no sound (XMMS works OK)
[12:52] <Cholito> i just jumps to the next file without playing anything
[12:52] <nixternal> what a coincidence...that laptop has been tested with Ubuntu and works...now im trying to connect to the page and it is 404
[12:52] <nixternal> arg
[12:52] <abattoir> Cholito: do you also have a sound engine installed?
[12:52] <Cholito> abattoir: amarok-xine? yes
[12:52] <abattoir> Cholito: you might also have to install extra codecs to play MP3s
[12:52] <jaro> hm yea i have read that it works with ubuntu
[12:52] <DaSkreech> !mp3  > Cholito
[12:52] <abattoir> Cholito: i think libxine-extracodecs.....
[12:53] <Cholito> abattoir: xmms plays mp3's, so amarok should work isn't it?
[12:53] <DaSkreech> Cholito: No XMMS has MP3 codecs built in
[12:53] <Cholito> ohhh
[12:53] <Cholito> amarok should have it also ;)
[12:53] <nixternal> DaSkreech: you have that 110% correct
[12:53] <nixternal> ubuntu docs everywhere
[12:53] <jaro> im helpless.. so far
[12:53] <Cholito> give me 15 secs
[12:53] <jaro> about that problem
[12:53] <nixternal> paraphenelia growing
[12:54] <jaro> I thought maybe if I knew the Monitor -Model, then I could configure properly..but I cant find any
[12:54] <nixternal> im tyring to get to this page jaro about that exact lappy and ubuntu
[12:54] <Cholito> abattoir: that was the one man!
[12:54] <nixternal> but it is dead
[12:54] <Cholito> abattoir: thanks dude ;)
[12:54] <abattoir> Cholito: no problem :)
[12:54] <jaro> thanks :-)
[12:54] <nixternal> jaro: when you do
[12:55] <nixternal> arg
[12:55] <jaro> ?
[12:55] <nixternal> jaro: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:55] <jaro> i did
[12:55] <nixternal> and you get to the monitor part..it goes black?
[12:55] <javb> Hi, does anyone has a guide o know how to install Intel Graphics 915GM/910GML that comes integrated with DeLL B130 ? (of course, Kubuntu 6.06)
[12:55] <jaro> only when I try to autodetect it
[12:55] <nixternal> do expert through that portion, and just click yes for defaults
[12:56] <jaro> ok
[12:56] <nixternal> lappy monitors don't always work well with autodetect i have noticed
[12:56] <jaro> and what values should I input ?
[12:56] <nixternal> i will be afk for a few moments...as i will return shortly
[12:56] <nixternal> leave them default jaro
[12:57] <jaro> hm ok
[12:57] <nixternal> we can worry about monitor settings once we are back in kde, and can do it via system settings
[12:57] <nixternal> brb
[12:57] <jaro> but i think there is no default for monitor settings in expert
[12:57] <andrisp> hello all... how can i make my own menus in kde's panel ? I know there was an applet in earlier kde versions, but know i can't find it..
[12:57] <abattoir> andrisp: kmenuedit
[12:58] <andrisp> abattoir: no, i don't want to customize kde menu, but make my own
[12:58] <jaro> hm, there is a proble
[12:58] <jaro> m
[12:59] <jaro> when I run reconfigure now, it will use the plug-in-monitor instead of the lcd
[12:59] <jaro> so, when i restart without the other monitor, the ldc wont work anymore
[12:59] <abattoir> andrisp: cant you delete all the entries and make your own? :P
[12:59] <abattoir> andrisp: or am i not getting what you mean?
[12:59] <andrisp> abattoir: yes :)
[01:00] <abattoir> andrisp: for the former or the latter? ;)
[01:00] <andrisp> both :)
[01:00] <andrisp> but
[01:01] <roadrunner> hey, I have a Samsung Syncmaster 730b Flat Panel, and I couldn't find the real drivers for it. The generic ones that were loaded only allow it to display 1024x768, while the native resolution should be 1280x768. Is there any generic driver that will allow me to use the higher resolutions?
[01:01] <nixternal> jaro, you need to get you fn+f5 key setup working so you can get that issue solved
[01:01] <omeow> I have 2 Syncmaster 930BFs :)
[01:01] <nixternal> as you will continue to have this same issue until you can use the fn+f5 key correctly
[01:02] <roadrunner> Really? How do you get them to display correctly?
[01:02] <omeow> There are no drivers for it, the only thing you need to know is the horizontal and vertical refresh rates I think.
[01:02] <nixternal> i have 4 955DF's
[01:02] <nixternal> lol
[01:02] <nixternal> syncmaster love
[01:02] <andrisp> i want a button named Internet next to kde menu button and when i click it a little menu opens up with Konqueror, Koversation and other related things listed.
[01:02] <nixternal> NOT on 1 computer btw
[01:03] <jaro> nixternal:  yeah i know..but how i can I solve fn+5 ?
[01:03] <omeow> I do have them hooked up to the same computer with a 6600GT.
[01:03] <abattoir> nixternal, jaro: i have an acer aspire... and all the fn keys work...
[01:03] <nixternal> it should just work...as fn keys are hardware controlled
[01:03] <jaro> hm
[01:03] <jaro> maybe you can help
[01:03] <abattoir> jaro: you can specify the keyboard model in kcontrol
[01:03] <omeow> Anyway roadrunner, you can find the manual for your monitor on the samsung site and it has a PDF with the technical specs. The rates should be listed there.
[01:03] <jaro> how did you get them to work ?
[01:03] <jaro> what is the keyboard model ??
[01:03] <DaSkreech> Ok I'm going to reboot
[01:03] <nixternal> i have 5 lappys all different brands, makes and models...and all the keys work for me
[01:03] <DaSkreech> Hopefully the computer will come back up
[01:04] <roadrunner> omeow: how would that help me with the resolution though? How would I go about configuring the default drivers to let me use higher resolutions?
[01:04] <abattoir> kcontrol->Region and Acces._>Keyboard Layout
[01:04] <abattoir> jaro choose the TM800
[01:04] <jaro> ok wait
[01:04] <abattoir> andrisp: oh like that? hmmm
[01:04] <nixternal> but abattoir that would only make them work while in kde...mine work outside of kde..outside of Kubuntu even booting
[01:04] <omeow> roadrunner: I'm not quite sure about technical details. But I think the x-server calculates the maximum resolution that your monitor can display via the refresh rates.
[01:05] <omeow> And you can of course add them to your xorg.conf file.
[01:05] <jaro> i have got no TM800 to chose from
[01:05] <abattoir> nixternal: hmmm... i havent tested the others, but the Fn+< and Fn+> keys work even while booting(brightness)
[01:05] <roadrunner> Um... Im a linux noob, I wouldn't know how to add me
[01:05] <nixternal> same with me abattoir
[01:06] <omeow> (xorg configuration is one of the most annoying things, in my opinion)
[01:06] <nixternal> thats why i don't understand why they don't work for him..as the fn keys are hardwired keys
[01:06] <omeow> uhm, let me digg up a command that does the reconfiguring.
[01:06] <roadrunner> omeow: However, I do know that resolution isn't determined by the refresh rate. I will check the manuals, but how would I configure it to allow 1280x1024?
[01:06] <roadrunner> sweet thanks
[01:06] <nixternal> all that key does is apply power, and remove power.../voltage /amperage /watts
[01:06] <jaro> well I had to use keytouch anyway to get acces to any such extrakeys
[01:07] <cyberquiet> hi
[01:07] <nixternal> see..with my laptops and the 'fn+f5' combination...i can switch between laptop screen, external monitor, or have them both at the same time
[01:07] <jaro> oh, you mean Acer Travel Mate 800
[01:07] <jaro> i can chose that
[01:08] <omeow> roadrunner: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:08] <nixternal> hi cyberquiet
[01:08] <abattoir> jaro: i too have an aspire, but that option works :)
[01:08] <nixternal> im thinking about getting an aspire, as tiger direct has one at the store in chicago for $250...15" screen at that
[01:08] <omeow> It gives you a text wizard that helps you configure your xorg server. (you can enter the refresh rates and select the resolutions you want)
[01:08] <jaro> what is xkb option ?
[01:08] <cyberquiet> today is my first day with kubuntu
[01:08] <jaro> ok now i have chosen the Tm800 model
[01:09] <nixternal> congratulations cyberquiet
[01:09] <abattoir> i got it because it was the only Turion model available at that time :)
[01:09] <cyberquiet> didn't go straight as I hoped anyway
[01:09] <nixternal> cyberquiet: we just ask that you be patient with Kubuntu and give it the chance it so desires and deserves
[01:09] <abattoir> apart from the ferrari, of course
[01:09] <omeow> And you were right about the refresh rates not depending on resolution. I was thinking about something else. Each resolution can be added in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. But I believe if you finish that wizard I just gave you the command for, you should be good to go.
[01:10] <nixternal> it is easy to become adgetated with Kubuntu, or any Linux distrobution at hand, however, if you stick with it, and keep learning, I guarantee you will never look back!!!
[01:10] <cyberquiet> I had to fix a problem with automounting of cdroms/dvd and with the ppp configuration
[01:11] <cyberquiet> and sometimes I get some weird errors on boot
[01:13] <roadrunner> omeow: after I do that, then what should I type?
[01:14] <omeow> you finished the wizard?
[01:14] <jaro> hey, what happens know after chosing that Keyboard Model ??
[01:15] <abattoir> jaro: can you incs./decs. brightness of the screen?
[01:15] <jaro> no
[01:15] <DaSkreech> It didn't work
[01:15] <jaro> only volume
[01:15] <abattoir> Fn+Left/Right arrow
[01:15] <abattoir> jaro: that's strange
[01:16] <jaro> only Up+Down
[01:16] <dueyfinster> Hello all. I just bought a new computer and I am wondering, if like Windows you can "roam" accounts with Kubuntu? I have used Ubuntu/Kubuntu going on a year and a half and I am competent at Linux, how would this be done?
[01:16] <DaSkreech> dueyfinster: Tell me more about this roaming
[01:16] <abattoir> jaro: and Fn+F5 still doesnt work?
[01:17] <jaro> yes
[01:17] <abattoir> jaro: how about the other combinations? touchpad on/off;mute/unmute?
[01:17] <dueyfinster> DaSkreech: What do you want to know?
[01:17] <jaro> mute works
[01:17] <abattoir> jaro: screen backlight on/off?
[01:17] <DaSkreech> dueyfinster: Whats' Roaming?
[01:18] <jaro> touchpad on off too
[01:18] <jaro> fn+F6 doesnt work either
[01:18] <nixternal> dueyfinster: are you talking roaming profiles on an active directory domain?
[01:18] <nixternal> or roaming as in wifi roaming?
[01:19] <jaro> the Num works..
[01:19] <dueyfinster> DaSkreech: Yes. I do that in work and I can get my desktop settings just the way I like, and then use samba's for filesharing.
[01:20] <jaro> even locking session works
[01:20] <DaSkreech> Whats Roaming?
[01:20] <nixternal> dueyfinster: so you are referring to the ad roaming then
[01:20] <DaSkreech> Look at what nixternal asked you
[01:20] <abattoir> jaro: its funny how some keys work and others dont
[01:20] <nixternal> so you can share all your desktop settings and what not?
[01:20] <jaro> hm yea
[01:20] <jaro> thats why im confused
[01:20] <nixternal> like wallpapers, icons, start menu and what not
[01:21] <dueyfinster> DaSkreech: settings, like desktop background, menu's etc etc.
[01:21] <jaro> there should be a plugin for keytouch concerning Fn-Keys.. but there is none on the Homepage of keytouch
[01:21] <abattoir> jaro: do the respectice function keys work independently?
[01:21] <dueyfinster> nixternal: I don't know
[01:21] <DaSkreech> dueyfinster: Yes you can. AD is essentailly a LDAP Server with pre built directories and a GUI management interface
[01:21] <abattoir> *respective
[01:22] <jaro> abattoir:  wich ones ?
[01:22] <dueyfinster> DaSkreech: Cool so I just get ldap and its gui from repo's?
[01:22] <abattoir> the ones whose combinations w/ Fn dont work, eg. F5, F6
[01:22] <roadrunner> omeow: hey, sorry, I got caught up in that wizard, lol
[01:22] <DaSkreech> Umm You can get LDAP :) I've never tried for a GUI
[01:23] <jaro> i dont know if they work independently.. but i guess they should
[01:23] <roadrunner> omeow: but I am done now, and I configured everything to the specs, and set up the resolution, but It still isn't right in display settings
[01:23] <omeow> Ok. After you finished it, you need to log out, and restart the x-server.
[01:23] <nixternal> dueyfinster: you can go that route, or you can use NFS and create auto.home files in /etc directory that will map to a server directory for you to keep all that info
[01:23] <roadrunner> Oh
[01:23] <roadrunner> just restart it, and then it should work?
[01:23] <omeow> You can do this by just logging out, and there should be a button in the KDM login screen that says menu, it has an option for restarting the server.
[01:23] <nixternal> as a matter of fact..there used to be a page on the wiki that showed how to go about doing that
[01:23] <omeow> Yeah, should do. (hopefully) :)
[01:23] <roadrunner> ok, yeah, thanks for the help
[01:23] <dueyfinster> nixternal: Is it hard to do?
[01:24] <nixternal> it isn't that it is hard, but it can be confusing
[01:24] <nixternal> and i even scared myself one time doing it as my system wouldn't boot cuz the server was wrong in the config..so it acted like i had no home directory
[01:24] <dueyfinster> nixternal: I understand, so I should check the wiki?
[01:25] <nixternal> im trying to find a link..but yes search for NFS and you will find out what im talking about
[01:25] <dueyfinster> nixternal: and be careful obv.
[01:25] <nixternal> oh ya
[01:25] <nixternal> you need to setup a NFS server somewhere..and then setup the client on all the machines you want using the roaming profiles
[01:26] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[01:26] <roadrunner> omeow: hey, it didn't work
[01:26] <jaro> what now ?
[01:26] <nixternal> read through that first b4 doing it
[01:26] <omeow> roadrunner: What do you see?
[01:26] <roadrunner> omeow: is there something I could have possibly done wrong? I went through that wizard just like you said, but 1280x1024 still doesnt show up when I go into the graphic settings
[01:26] <dueyfinster> nixternal: Thanks! Much appreiciated
[01:27] <nixternal> no problem dueyfinster...good luck with it
[01:27] <DaSkreech> !nfs
[01:27] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSClientHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[01:27] <nixternal> and if it breaks..it's not my fault
[01:27] <nixternal> DaSkreech: a little late ;)
[01:27] <roadrunner> omeow: what do you mean? Am I not changing the resolution in the right place or something? I am doing it in System Setting>Display
[01:27] <DaSkreech> How about those? :)
[01:27] <nixternal> i forgot about that stinkin' bot sometimes
[01:27] <omeow> That's fine.
[01:27] <nixternal> DaSkreech: they are the same thing, they will redirect him to the h.u.c/c
[01:27] <omeow> roadrunner: I hate to point new users to the terminal, but sometimes it's the only option. Can you perform the command "xrandr" and see if the resolution you want is listed there?
[01:27] <roadrunner> omeow: and the little slider bar only goes up to 1024x768 and a refresh rate of 61, when it should be 1280x1024 and a refresh rate of 75
[01:28] <roadrunner> Hey, I like the terminal. Good learning experience =D
[01:28] <roadrunner> I have been messing with the terminal for about 3 days straight. I had some major problems the other day with Adept flipping out on me
[01:28] <omeow> adept is shitty
[01:28] <roadrunner> Im discovering that =D
[01:28] <nixternal> !language please
[01:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about language please
[01:29] <nixternal> !language
[01:29] <ubotu> Please watch your langage and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:29] <roadrunner> For some reason a bunch of packages came back "Broken" and then even after I killed all adept processes, I still couldn't run certain programs because it said the process was in use or something
[01:29] <RawSewage> that message needs editing
[01:29] <omeow> lol waht??
[01:29] <roadrunner> it was really flipping out on me ^_^
[01:29] <Hawkwind> Hah, the links for NFS that ubotu gives both go to the same page actually.  Someone should remove one of them
[01:29] <DaSkreech> roadrunner: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:29] <DaSkreech> That should fix it
[01:30] <omeow> Are you really pointing your bot to me for using the word shitty? I don't know how else to describe it. =P
[01:30] <roadrunner> well, apprently it thought Adept or apt-get were always being used or something
[01:30] <h3sp4wn> omeow: Use aptitude or smart
[01:30] <roadrunner> but anywas, no, my resolution was not listed under xrandr
[01:30] <roadrunner> Im guessing I did somethign wrong in that wizard then?
[01:30] <RawSewage> it says "Please watch your langage"
[01:30] <jaro> can anyone still help with that Fn#Key Problem ??
[01:30] <RawSewage> should be language
[01:31] <roadrunner> DaSkreech: what would that do?
[01:31] <DaSkreech> Fix the problem
[01:31] <roadrunner> DaSkreech: how would that fix my problem? I don't remember why, but I know I have ran that before... what does it do exactly?
[01:32] <DaSkreech> It finishes the configuration that dpkg was runing before and then releases the lock
[01:32] <jake> any kde pros in here?
[01:32] <DaSkreech> If the package manager breaks for some reason (Or the lights go off etc) that picks up where it left off
[01:32] <DaSkreech> Unless you were doing a dist-upgrade across a major upgrade
[01:33] <DaSkreech> then you would need apt-get -f install
[01:33] <roadrunner> wait, you are talking about my previous Adept problems aren't you?
[01:33] <DaSkreech> jake: I haven't gotten paid yet :(
[01:33] <roadrunner> Im having display trouble now... and omeow was helping me with that =D
[01:33] <DaSkreech> roadrunner: yes :)
[01:33] <jake> i need to figure out why my dual display works on the login screen for kde, but the second monitor is disabled when kde comes up
[01:33] <roadrunner> omeow: my resolution isn't listed... what should I do now? Re-run that wizard again?
[01:33] <jake> does kde have its own specific settings for dual display i need to check out?
[01:33] <DaSkreech> I know so I wasn't interfering with that :) Just letting you know how to fix stuff if adept flips again
[01:33] <omeow> roadrunner: can you paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf to http://pastebin.ca ?
[01:34] <roadrunner> sure, just a minue
[01:34] <jaro> Fn+F5 still wont wokr
[01:34] <jake> DaSkreech, any idears?
[01:35] <jaro> [17193502.064000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xa7 on isa0060/serio0).
[01:35] <jaro> [17193502.064000]  atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e027 <keycode>' to make it known.
[01:35] <jaro> do I have to configure something here ?
[01:35] <DaSkreech> jake: Nope wanna try #kde?
[01:37] <jaro> :(
[01:37] <roadrunner> omeow: Ok, here you go http://pastebin.ca/76675
[01:38] <omeow> *click*
[01:38] <roadrunner> I think I saw the problem even... there weren't any entries in there for 1280x1024 or anything like that... but how do you go about fixing them? Can you just type them in by hand (In my case, using kate?) or do you have to use that wizard thingy
[01:39] <abattoir> jaro: i get those errors too, but the keys work anyways
[01:39] <jaro> hmm
[01:39] <jaro> what else might work then ?
[01:39] <omeow> roadrunner: You can just add the resolutions in front of what's already there.
[01:39] <roadrunner> same thing with the refresh rates?
[01:40] <omeow> http://pastebin.ca/76676
[01:40] <omeow> That should do it.
[01:40] <omeow> See what I changed?
[01:40] <roadrunner> hey, real quick then, could I have you do me another huge favor? Check this out
[01:40] <roadrunner> http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/06/06/tip-my-logitech-mx700-mouse-with-linux-and-firefox/
[01:41] <roadrunner> that is the same mouse as I have, and it makes me mad that the thumb buttons don't work... is this config file where I add the stuff he says to add?
[01:41] <omeow> I haven't configured my MX510 either. =/
[01:41] <omeow> But yeah.
[01:41] <roadrunner> because I use those buttons to navigate all the time, and supposedly that is supposed to fix it... would you be able to enter that in the file for me by any chance and then upload it?
[01:41] <omeow> Same file. Different section of course.
[01:41] <afm\colossus> evdev and xorg 7.0 take care of this automagically
[01:42] <afm\colossus> everything is working ootb for me, without interaction
[01:42] <afm\colossus> (i'm on gentoo, though)
[01:42] <omeow> Just put it under InputDevice, it's not that hard. :)
[01:42] <omeow> afm\colossus: I guess binding stuff to the mouse buttons works fine with a nice graphical UI too? =P
[01:42] <roadrunner> just that one entry will fix it?
[01:42] <DaSkreech> afm\colossus: Gentobuntu?
[01:42] <roadrunner> because look at my output compared to his... they don't look the exact same
[01:42] <roadrunner> that was why I was worried
[01:42] <omeow> Yeah, that one option should do the trick I think.
[01:43] <afm\colossus> omeow: theoretically, yes
[01:43] <afm\colossus> xev reports unique events for each button
[01:43] <afm\colossus> DaSkreech: huh?
[01:43] <omeow> roadrunner: might want to add the Option "Buttons" "7" too
[01:43] <jaro> .-(((((((((((((((((
[01:43] <roadrunner> and then that should do it? will I need to log out and then back in or anything, or are changes in linux instant
[01:43] <DaSkreech> afm\colossus: tESING YOU
[01:43] <DaSkreech> Teasing even
[01:44] <omeow> still need to reload the server again
[01:44] <afm\colossus> roadrunner: you need to restart X11
[01:44] <omeow> Hopefully that will change in the future.
[01:44] <abattoir> jaro: sorry i cant help you more :(
[01:44] <jaro> its a tough problem
[01:44] <omeow> x configuration has been rather stupid for years, because development was rather stale.
[01:44] <abattoir> jaro: because all the keys work fine for me
[01:44] <roadrunner> X11 is just the GUI?
[01:45] <roadrunner> See, I am A+ certified, so Im not a noob with computers and terms... just with Linux terms =D
[01:45] <afm\colossus> yes
[01:47] <afm\colossus> http://gnulords.org/~colo/dotfiles/desktop/etc/X11/xorg.conf - this used to be my corg.conf for X11 R6.8.2
[01:47] <noiesmo> i am tring to get my laptop to tftpboot from my kubuntu system it finds the dhcp server and says loading pxelinux.0 but nothing else happens any ideas
[01:47] <afm\colossus> http://gnulords.org/~colo/dotfiles/desktop/etc/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap - and this the xmodmap grammar
[01:48] <afm\colossus> to make an mx510 work correctly with all 10 buttons
[01:48] <ChrisCoolie> Hello again [tm Howie (a Schlager)] 
[01:48] <roadrunner> dah, one last question
[01:49] <roadrunner> since my refresh rates aren't listed by default... do I just change
[01:49] <roadrunner> HorizSync	28-51
[01:49] <roadrunner> 	VertRefresh	43-60
[01:49] <abattoir> !language > abattoir
[01:49] <omeow> Are those from the manual of your monitor?
[01:49] <roadrunner> Horizontal is supposed to be 81, and Vertical is supposed to be 75
[01:49] <roadrunner> 81 / 75 are
[01:49] <roadrunner> I checked the specs
[01:49] <roadrunner> the lines above were copy/pasted from my current xorg.conf file
[01:50] <afm\colossus> yeah, just change them to fit your need
[01:50] <DaSkreech> Yeah ubotu tell him about his langage!!
[01:50] <roadrunner> It doesn't need a range? Just the exact rate?
[01:50] <ChrisCoolie> Q: my DSL provider doesnt 'hold the line' without any traffic from my side. which tool e.g. takes some? Kopete doesnt run all the time
[01:50] <roadrunner> because they had a range in there now... I didn't know if it made a difference or not
[01:50] <abattoir> DaSkreech: just checking if it had been changed :)
[01:50] <omeow> I use 30-81 for horizontal and 56-75 for vertical
[01:51] <roadrunner> ok, thanks
[01:51] <omeow> I have a different screen though.
[01:51] <omeow> You could also say Option          "HorizSync"        "UseEdidFreqs" (same for vert) and it'll autodetect the ranges I think.
[01:52] <sonic_> Hi guys. Can anyont help me with my system mail. It doesn't seem to be functioning
[01:52] <sonic_> mutt isn't being recognised
[01:52] <sonic_> (The command)
[01:52] <roadrunner> uhg... also, in that other config (Back to the mouse problem)...
[01:52] <ChrisCoolie> or, which command (in the shell) helps or which file should i edit for generating traffic
[01:53] <roadrunner> mine has an entry that says "Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true" and his doesn't... will this make a difference?
[01:53] <noiesmo> i am tring to get my laptop to tftpboot from my kubuntu system it finds the dhcp server and says loading pxelinux.0 but nothing else happens any ideas
[01:53] <DaSkreech> Yes it will
[01:53] <DaSkreech>  It will make yours emulate three buttons and his will not
[01:53] <roadrunner> What does it mean? Why would mine have to "emulate" 3 buttons? It has three buttons >_>
[01:54] <omeow> Emulate 3 buttons means that clicking left and right at the same time will be the same as the middle mouse.
[01:54] <afm\colossus> you better delete that line
[01:54] <roadrunner> ok
[01:54] <DaSkreech> roadrunner: That makes it so that if you press Button ! and Button 2 at teh same time it counts a Button 3
[01:54] <roadrunner> I don't really need it anyways then if I have a middle click then, correct?
[01:54] <DaSkreech> Right
[01:54] <ChrisCoolie> Which file entry in /etc generates a little bit traffic?
[01:54] <roadrunner> thanks for putting up with my stupidity =D
[01:54] <RawSewage> There's a master list of monitors
[01:54] <RawSewage> it tells you the settings
[01:54] <RawSewage> I forgot the URL
[01:55] <omeow> You're hardly stupid, roadrunner.
[01:55] <omeow> xorg configuration is just awkward.
[01:56] <ChrisCoolie> friday morning i used: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ;)
[01:56] <khaije1> strange question: is kde generally slower than gnome?
[01:56] <khaije1> i've seen gnome referenced as being slightly "lighter" than kde in a few places
[01:56] <DaSkreech> not much
[01:57] <h3sp4wn> I think kde run's faster (at least on my hardware)
[01:57] <DaSkreech> Plus you can strip out a whole slew of things inKDE if you like
[01:57] <DaSkreech> Visually though gnome is lighter
[01:57] <ChrisCoolie> before that, go to Text mode Ctrl+Alt+F2
[01:57] <khaije1> gnome has always seems slower to me
[01:57] <h3sp4wn> gnome has loads of stuff written in mono
[01:57] <khaije1> DaSkreech: but i mean performance-wise like if i was working with old eqpt
[01:58] <crimsun> gnome as shipped in ubuntu?
[01:58] <khaije1> ya
[01:58] <DaSkreech> Well Vector Linux ships with KDE I think that says a lot
[01:58] <crimsun> gnome as shipped in ubuntu doesn't have dependencies on mono
[01:58] <khaije1> i'm working with a volunteer computer rebuild program
[01:58] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: Still can't get KDE booted? :-)
[01:58] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: yeah its fixed im working on other crap atm
[01:59] <khaije1> all the computers are old, i wasn't really familiar with xubuntu, which is supposed to be even lighter than kde/gnome
[01:59] <DaSkreech> So not /nicking to kdefreak? :)
[01:59] <gnomefreak> none of the 25 cds i have will install
[01:59] <DaSkreech> See shuld have gotten 36 :-)
[01:59] <gnomefreak> not atm having other issues that need to be taken care of first
[01:59] <khaije1> gnomefreak: are you installing fedora core 6?
[01:59] <ChrisCoolie> kubuntu will survive on this harddisk, but it has too much of the 80 GB
[02:00] <khaije1> ^_^
[02:00] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: 25 is highest at time i ordered
[02:00] <gnomefreak> khaije1: hell no
[02:00] <DaSkreech> ChrisCoolie: I would bet most of that is your /home
[02:01] <gnomefreak> bbl
[02:01] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:01] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Where is a good place where you can download .deb games?
[02:02] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> ?
[02:03] <BlankB> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: they are mostly in the normal repositories.
[02:03] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> ok
[02:04] <lin0x> is it possible to play java games on my pc? (.jar and .jad). i have downloaded a few from a p2p network and i want to select the best of the games before i put them on my nokia.
[02:04] <ChrisCoolie> hda12 is 13 GB ext3, and hda7 ist 13 GB FAT32
[02:04] <DaSkreech> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: What games are you looking for?
[02:05] <apol> lin0x: I don't think you can
[02:05] <abattoir> lin0x: maybe through a J2ME emulator
[02:05] <ChrisCoolie> both is likely as a /home.
[02:05] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Like FPS and Strategy games like Age Of Empires
[02:05] <abattoir> lin0x: i dont know if one exists though :P
[02:05] <DaSkreech> Yay netsplit
[02:06] <thunderbolt> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: I personally find freeciv really fun.
[02:06] <thunderbolt> it's turn based, though
[02:06] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> ya
[02:06] <ChrisCoolie> But Kubuntu's installer did'nt integrated hda13
[02:06] <thunderbolt> for RTS, your best bet is Stratagus.
[02:06] <thunderbolt> Assuming you want something running natively
[02:06] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Well I have nexuiz
[02:06] <lin0x> apol: "N-gage cool" does the job for windows. but i dont want to run that system.. i still want my hard disc and microprocessor working...
[02:07] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> and it is a good game
[02:07] <DaSkreech> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: I like Globulation as well
[02:07] <DaSkreech> nexuiz is FPS
[02:07] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Ya I know
[02:07] <DaSkreech> there are a bunch of good ones out now :-)
[02:08] <OOD> enemy territory and tremulous are great fps's as well definitely worth checking out
[02:08] <DaSkreech> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: You may want to hang out on happypenguin.org :)
[02:08] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> ok
[02:08] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I also want a Guitar tuner
[02:08] <omeow> I really love OpenMortal, TappyTux and TuxFighter.
[02:08] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> On linux but I can't seem to find one in .deb format
[02:08] <omeow> Those are my favorites!
[02:08] <DaSkreech> Whats' TappyTux?
[02:09] <omeow> http://happypenguin.org/show?TappyTux
[02:09] <omeow> http://happypenguin.org/show?TuxFighter
[02:09] <omeow> http://happypenguin.org/show?OpenMortal
[02:09] <omeow> REAL linux games!
[02:10] <OOD> no thanks, i'd rather have some real windows games
[02:10] <OOD> you can't argue with that, windows games are just better
[02:10] <OOD> but that's about all that windows has :D
[02:10] <omeow> but r tey open sauwze???
[02:10] <omeow> I guess not!
[02:10] <h3sp4wn> mame has got the best games
[02:10] <omeow> That's a requirement for games on lunix u kno? =P
[02:10] <edu> OOD: do you know where could I get Cedega? Thnx
[02:10] <omeow> Ok, enough with my mocking. :)
[02:11] <thunderbolt> Scorched3D is really good
[02:11] <thunderbolt> vegastrike.
[02:11] <OOD> edu: http://www.transgaming.com/
[02:11] <OOD> i find wine better though
[02:11] <DaSkreech> thunderbolt: Ooooooo Scorched #d
[02:11] <DaSkreech> 3d
[02:11] <DaSkreech> I beat BOR last night
[02:11] <edu> OOD: Thanks, but I can't download it from there
[02:11] <OOD> you have to buy it, i think they took the cvs down
[02:12] <DaSkreech> omeow: YOu know that's not true :)
[02:12] <omeow> I was using an overdose of sarcasm with my last 6 lines.
[02:12] <OOD> omewo: TA Spring is a good open source windows game :D
[02:12] <OOD> but it works in wine
[02:16] <omeow> DaSkreech: Try this mod for UT2004. http://blackcatgames.com/swarm/info
[02:16] <DaSkreech> Have it :
[02:16] <DaSkreech> Have you tried jailBreak?
[02:16] <OOD> nice
[02:17] <omeow> No. May I ask your opinion about Alien Swarm? :)
[02:17] <omeow> (I was shameless plugging =P)
[02:17] <omeow> *shamelessly
[02:17] <noiesmo> i am tring to get my laptop to tftpboot from my kubuntu system it finds the dhcp server and says loading pxelinux.0 but nothing else happens any ideas
[02:17] <DaSkreech> Difficult game to get into. Very Moody Great if you have people who can play with you
[02:17] <noiesmo> hmmm my laptops doing the etherboot finds dhcp server and says its loading pxelinux.0 but not much happens
[02:18] <ChrisCoolie> i tried Dapper's DVD text mode installer, but there was a failure in a late stage. the grapical one (from Live-Boot Module) wasn't very intelligent
[02:18] <larson9999> Hawkwind: get smp working?
[02:19] <omeow> DaSkreech: I'm going to play through the campaigns with a couple of friends some day. Want me to give you a poke when we're going to do that? You could join up or something.
[02:19] <Hawkwind> larson9999: It worked from the original install without problems
[02:19] <ChrisCoolie> so, my special prepared partition for home isn't incorporated
[02:19] <DaSkreech> omeow: Ha Maybe Doubt it though my machine is in shambples
[02:20] <larson9999> Hawkwind: just curious because someone is asking about it and pentium-d in #ubuntu
[02:20] <DaSkreech> Dratted XGL :(
[02:20] <omeow> I thought you were firing UT2004 up? ;-)
[02:20] <DaSkreech> ChrisCoolie: ok
[02:20] <DaSkreech> omeow: In my head  :'(
[02:20] <omeow> Yeah, I tried XGL once, it was fun, but then decided not to bother with it. I had no need for it. (yet)
[02:21] <omeow> They should make it more stable and stuff first.
[02:21] <DaSkreech> Well yeah it's just out of pre-alpha :)
[02:21] <DaSkreech> It will probably ship before Vista though ;-)
[02:22] <ChrisCoolie> the way to move a home embedded in / in an own partition isn't trivial.
[02:23] <omeow> I doubt it'll ship, DaSkreech. =P
[02:23] <ChrisCoolie> "su -" should be done as first, but killall xserver
[02:24] <OOD> it will eventually, it will just suck too much for anyone to bother upgrading, it'll just be installed on OEMs
[02:24] <omeow> Hm, maybe they will. Depending on if Ubuntu gets released with the stuff enabled by default or at least easy to enable.
[02:24] <DaSkreech> omeow: Ok be usable :) It cant' >actualy< ship since it breaks GPL
[02:26] <larson9999> DaSkreech: there are a couple sites that make it pretty easy. this one helped: http://web.informbank.com/articles/technology/perfect-linux-desktop.htm
[02:28] <DaSkreech> larson9999: Eh?
[02:28] <larson9999> OOD: no way in heck am i touching vista...  maybe for work.  that's got to be a bigger cash cow that the othere versions of windows has been for me
[02:29] <jjackson> i just wish reactos were further along. now that's a cool project
[02:29] <OOD> it's cool, but wine's better
[02:30] <larson9999> jjackson: reactos is moving along but i'm not too convinced it will get there soon enough
[02:31] <roadrunner> hey guys, I got another real quick question... my Nvidia driver's fail installation because it says it needs the "libc Devlopers Pack" which contains a comman "cc" or something like that... what would this pack be called?
[02:31] <roadrunner> I couldn't find it... I installed one that I thought was correct, but apparently it wasn't because I get the same error
[02:31] <larson9999> jjackson: and by the time it is, wine might be just as good.  then what's the point?
[02:31] <OOD> how are you trying to install it roadrunner?
[02:31] <roadrunner> I downloaded the linux drivers for my card right off the official site, because the Easy ubuntu drivers didn't work
[02:31] <omeow> roadrunner: All you have to install is nvidia-glx (assuming you want the good driver) and linux-restricted modules for your card.
[02:32] <OOD> that's gonna be difficult to do
[02:32] <jjackson> the point is this: i build / fix computers for people who will never run linux. i dont have enterprise agreement with MS to sell windows on these machines
[02:32] <omeow> err, card==kernel
[02:32] <OOD> try this: sudo apt-get nvidia-glx
[02:32] <roadrunner> so I just saved the drivers and now just used sh drivername to install
[02:32] <larson9999> roadrunner: the easyubuntu should work
[02:32] <OOD> then sudo nvidia-xconfig
[02:32] <OOD> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx*
[02:32] <omeow> I never bothered with that.
[02:32] <larson9999> roadrunner: which kernel?
[02:32] <roadrunner> what is that going to do? what is nvidia-glx?
[02:32] <omeow> The driver.
[02:32] <OOD> the nvidia driver module
[02:33] <roadrunner> I just downloaded the newest driver off of their website
[02:33] <OOD> don't bother
[02:33] <OOD> you'd have to compile the module for that
[02:33] <larson9999> omeow: not only restrcted but restricted in security if it's the newest kernel
[02:33] <OOD> just run those 2 commands
[02:33] <omeow> *shrug*
[02:33] <roadrunner> I think it is the newest... I just installed 2 days ago, lol
[02:33] <larson9999> omeow: that cost me a couple hours of my life :)
[02:33] <roadrunner> 2.6 is it? Or something like that... where do you check?
[02:33] <larson9999> uname -r
[02:34] <roadrunner> yup, 2.6
[02:34] <roadrunner> and easy ubuntu didn't work. Everything is all laggy still.
[02:34] <roadrunner> Like, even moving a window around jitters... just like if you had no drivers at all
[02:34] <OOD> because you dont
[02:34] <omeow> that's because you seem to be using the vesa driver.
[02:34] <roadrunner> of course, all of my experience is with windows, so I was just assuming the drivers were installed wrong
[02:35] <larson9999> roadrunner: this site is step by step.  add restricted to security if you have kernel 2.6.15-25 http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[02:35] <roadrunner> larson, youll have to pardon me for a moment... not to be run, but Im going to try one at a time =D
[02:35] <roadrunner> OOD, I am going to run your commands right now
[02:36] <roadrunner> ok, OOD, now what should I do?
[02:36] <OOD> did you finish both commands?
[02:36] <roadrunner> yes sir
[02:36] <roadrunner> Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[02:36] <roadrunner> Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'
[02:36] <roadrunner> New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[02:36] <roadrunner> that was the output when I was done
[02:36] <OOD> k
[02:37] <OOD> then just restart X: command restartx
[02:37] <OOD> just restartx
[02:37] <OOD> withouth the command part ;)
[02:37] <larson9999> got that command right :)
[02:38] <OOD> yea lol
[02:38] <RawSewage> what are you trying to do
[02:38] <RawSewage> get Compiz running?
[02:38] <OOD> lets hope he comes back
[02:38] <OOD> he's back :D
[02:38] <RawSewage> what are you trying to do
[02:38] <RawSewage> get Compiz running?
[02:38] <roadrunner> lol
[02:38] <OOD> no, just the nvidia driver, roadrunner: better?
[02:38] <roadrunner> yeah, I'm here
[02:38] <RawSewage> doh
[02:39] <roadrunner> hm... I think. It is still mildy jittery at times (Just when moving windows quickly) is this normal?
[02:39] <RawSewage> I just did it the other day
[02:39] <roadrunner> Are there any 3d games I can download through Adept or something to test it?
[02:39] <RawSewage> did you see the NVidia splash screen
[02:39] <jjackson> anyone know if its possible to get a magicolor 2400w printer working on kbuntu? i installed it with printer installer but when i hit test nothing prints
[02:39] <roadrunner> yeah, it flashed real quick
[02:39] <OOD> do glxgears
[02:39] <roadrunner> I just want to make sure it works alright
[02:39] <OOD> its working if you got the logo
[02:40] <roadrunner> I just want to see what it can do now, lol
[02:40] <RawSewage> test one of the cool screensavers
[02:40] <larson9999> try glxgears
[02:40] <DaSkreech> What the dickens?
[02:40] <roadrunner> so... I was just looking for some 3d graphics to play around with... where can you get some 3d games anyways?
[02:40] <RawSewage> like Fireworks
[02:40] <RawSewage> is glxgears that Wheelo thing
[02:40] <roadrunner> where can I download glxgears at?
[02:40] <OOD> it's a command you run
[02:40] <OOD> you'll get spinnin gears :D
[02:41] <roadrunner> oh
[02:41] <roadrunner> LOL
[02:41] <larson9999> roadrunner planet-racer (sp) or chromium seem to be the common ones
[02:41] <roadrunner> I see now
[02:41] <RawSewage> cool
[02:41] <roadrunner> I thought it was a game, lol
[02:41] <OOD> lol
[02:41] <roadrunner> larson9999: where would I go about downloading these?
[02:41] <roadrunner> larson9999: can you get them through adept or something, or where do you get them?
[02:41] <larson9999> yeah
[02:41] <OOD> nexuiz, tremulous and wolfenstein enemy territory are good fps games
[02:42] <roadrunner> Wolfenstien you have to buy tho... lol. Im looking for something free I can play right now just to test it out
[02:42] <DaSkreech> Why can't I copy files from one partition to another?
[02:42] <OOD> wolfenstein enemy territory is free
[02:42] <larson9999> apt-get install chromium
[02:43] <OOD> but it's a 250 meg download
[02:43] <roadrunner> really? Wow. Where can I get Wolfenstein, I have played it before, it's cool
[02:43] <roadrunner> I played it on windows
[02:43] <larson9999> there are a couple cool fps on linux game tomb
[02:43] <OOD> enemy territory is multiplayer only
[02:43] <fyrmedic> Where do I change the name of the workgroup for my local network?
[02:43] <larson9999> roadrunner: googe the linux game tomb for a decent site for linux games
[02:44] <DaSkreech> http://www.happypenguin.org
[02:44] <DaSkreech> !games
[02:44] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[02:44] <larson9999> jjackson: lost a lot of sleep to that one
[02:45] <ubuntu_> ya d franc ici??
[02:45] <edu> h3sp4wn: thank u very much!!
[02:45] <ubuntu_> nick Nikof
[02:45] <DaSkreech> !fr > ubuntu_
[02:45] <h3sp4wn> edu: no probs
[02:46] <jjackson> hehe. played doom also, but had a special boot disk for it to get 600+k conventional mem
[02:46] <DaSkreech> Ok so back on topic
[02:46] <DaSkreech>  Why can't I copy files from one partition to another?
[02:46] <DaSkreech> And not all files just some random files
[02:46] <roadrunner> erm... Im not seeing where I can download Wolfenstein
[02:47] <OOD> here are a bunch of iD torrents, get the et-linux-2.60.x86.run one: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com:6969/
[02:47] <DaSkreech> Zerowing?
[02:48] <jjackson> http://download.softpedia.ro/linux/games/et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[02:48] <roadrunner> what is this file you are telling me to download?
[02:49] <roadrunner> the .run file?
[02:49] <OOD> wolfensteing enemy territory
[02:50] <roadrunner> ok, then after I download, I just sh filename ?
[02:51] <OOD> yea
[02:51] <larson9999> jjackson: sure, doom was really neat.  i lost ALL my sleep to it
[02:51] <roadrunner> oh crap... that .run is a torrent file though... so how do you open that file in bittorrent (Or whatever kubuntu's client is)
[02:52] <roadrunner> because it didn't automatically have "open with" I had to save the torrent file...
[02:52] <OOD> ktorrent is the program
[02:53] <roadrunner> okay, I got it... wow, that's a fast download... for some reason, I could never get any Bittorrent client to ever work with Windows
[02:53] <roadrunner> my router seemed to hate it. Thats why I said crazp when I realized it was a torrent file... this is great, I can finally download torrents >_<
[02:54] <roadrunner> is there a way to get Doom 3 for linux too?
[02:54] <roadrunner> without paying... lol.
[02:55] <OOD> wolfensteind enemy territory is freeware
[02:56] <OOD> you can get a demo of doom3 at the link
[02:56] <roadrunner> uhg
[02:56] <roadrunner> stupid thing crashed
[02:57] <larson9999> i heard the demo is all about all you'd want to play of doom3d
[02:57] <roadrunner> but anways... you said you can play Wolfenstein online for free?
[02:57] <larson9999> roadrunner: there are several nice fps for free on linux
[02:57] <roadrunner> Doom 3?
[02:57] <larson9999> nope
[02:57] <roadrunner> lol
[02:57] <larson9999> the demo though
[02:57] <roadrunner> I didn't think Wolf was free though... because it wasn't for windows =D
[02:58] <roadrunner> now I have another noob question then... can Linux players play against Windows players?
[02:58] <OOD> it is, this is a different only multiplayer version
[02:58] <OOD> yes
[02:58] <roadrunner> ok, cool
[02:58] <OOD> otherwise it
[02:58] <OOD> it'd be like 2 on 2 :D
[02:58] <roadrunner> I figured since the used the same network protocols and everything they should
[02:58] <roadrunner> but no harm in asking...
[02:58] <BlankB> larson9999: what are those nice fps for linux?
[02:59] <larson9999> BlankB: well, here we get to see if my tastes pass muster
[03:04] <larson9999> BlankB: i like cube, Argonium, Legends, sauerbraten, Tremulous as a list of a few
[03:04] <BlankB> larson9999: thanks. I will look into those. What about RTS games. You have any favs?
[03:05] <OOD> larson9999: hey i think i've seen you on trem before
[03:05] <larson9999> OOD: was i the badass?
[03:05] <OOD> maybe, i can't remember
[03:05] <larson9999> if not it wasn't me :)
[03:05] <OOD> :P
[03:06] <BlankB> larson9999: legends looks cool...reminds me of something.
[03:08] <ChrisCoolie> I _can_ copy /home embedded in / to a new partition, but how to integrate as a new partition /home?
[03:09] <ChrisCoolie> ... without breaking profiles?
[03:09] <larson9999> BlankB: i'm not big on rts.  can't really recommend any.  i didn't lie one i played about viruses.  forgot the name.
[03:10] <larson9999> BlankB: truth be told, i don't get much game time these days so i might play a game for 30 minutes or so
[03:10] <BlankB> larson9999: gotcha. I only play a few hours on the weekends myself. But this a a long weekend.
[03:10] <larson9999> BlankB: and i'm usually on the trailing edge on games.  but i do know linux is now totally fulfulling to me in the game area.
[03:11] <larson9999> BlankB: meaning i have more than enough games to play that are free as in free beer and fun to boot on linux
[03:12] <BlankB> larson9999: thanks again for the tips on those fps games. I didnt know they existed.
[03:12] <talaxor> hmm, somehow i broke access to my windows partition. i can only access /media/windows as root
[03:12] <larson9999> BlankB: check up happypenguin.org and give it look through
[03:13] <larson9999> talaxor: happens to me all the time.  what filesystem is it?
[03:13] <DaSkreech> larson9999: get Kobos :-)
[03:13] <ChrisCoolie> i would try: Ctrl+Alt+F2; login root (i did sudo passwd root yesterday); killall xserver-xorg;mount -t ext3 /hda13 /dev/mnt;cp /home/* /mnt
[03:13] <talaxor> ntfs i think
[03:14] <DaSkreech> Great for 5 minute games and it saves your progress so you can pick up two months down the line and still feel accomplished :)
[03:14] <larson9999> talaxor: i think by default it's root only.  but i don't have ntfs so i'm not sure
[03:14] <ChrisCoolie> and know, how do i set the access rights for the directories correct?
[03:14] <lwizardl> hi
[03:14] <larson9999> DaSkreech: i'll check that out
[03:14] <DaSkreech> KObo Deluxe I think it's called
[03:14] <talaxor> yeah, i tried chmod with no success
[03:14] <lwizardl> is there a program i can use to convert xvids to dvd in ubuntu?
[03:14] <BlankB> DaSkreech: do you have a url for that?
[03:15] <DaSkreech> BlankB: Apt-get install ?
[03:15] <DaSkreech> lwizardl: I would guess k3b
[03:15] <BlankB> DaSkreech: I was looking for kobos instead of kobo
[03:15] <talaxor> nm, found answer in forums
[03:15] <DaSkreech> sorry I just checked :-)
[03:16] <lwizardl> DaSkreech, including making a menu not just the file as a data disc
[03:16] <ChrisCoolie> DaSkreech: what do you think about my 'simple' command line?
[03:16] <DaSkreech> lwizardl: Out of my league :-) That's why I have friends with Macs :)
[03:17] <DaSkreech> ChrisCoolie: I wasn't paying attention what now?
[03:17] <larson9999> DaSkreech: i'm totally new at that but i've been looking at how to convert vcd to dvd and dvdauthor says it can do that
[03:18] <DaSkreech> We need a linux doom9.org :-(
[03:18] <larson9999> oops lwizardl: i'm totally new at that but i've been looking at how to convert vcd to dvd and dvdauthor says it can do that
[03:19] <larson9999> talaxor: what was the answer?
[03:19] <lwizardl> larson9999, hmm well i'm wanting to go from avi (divx/xvid) to a dvd video disc
[03:19] <larson9999> lwizardl: check out dvdauthor
[03:19] <ChrisCoolie> the topic was: how do i move /dev from hda3 to hda13
[03:19] <ChrisCoolie> not /dev /home
[03:20] <ChrisCoolie> that fas very funny :D
[03:20] <ChrisCoolie> oh, seems i need sleep
[03:20] <DaSkreech> You copy the contents of the home folder to the partiton and then enter then new mount point in your /etc/fstab
[03:21] <ChrisCoolie> and the access rights? will they copied well as should?
[03:21] <Hawkwind> If you use the correct cp command they will be
[03:21] <Hawkwind> cp -a /old/path /new/path will be good
[03:22] <ChrisCoolie> whcih command should this be?
[03:22] <ChrisCoolie> thanks
[03:22] <ChrisCoolie> i try
[03:23] <ChrisCoolie> the only problem could be: size.
[03:24] <talaxor> mount -t ntfs -o ro,noauto,umask=022 /dev/hda1 /media/cdrive
[03:24] <dr_willis> 'its not the size of your tool...'
[03:24] <dr_willis> :)
[03:25] <ChrisCoolie> maybe i install etch at end of this year, then i need a partition for it (besides /home, and Kubuntu, of course).
[03:25] <talaxor> i have a bunch of anime mp3's on that drive and got them into amarok
[03:26] <ChrisCoolie> @talaxor: you wrote "-t ntfs". if is this the file system than its root
[03:27] <ChrisCoolie> As also in Sarge
[03:27] <ChrisCoolie> ... of Debian
[03:27] <talaxor> i followed the instructions here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29193&highlight=ntfs
[03:28] <RawSewage> anyone here running XGL
[03:29] <DaSkreech> !xgl
[03:29] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:29] <ChrisCoolie> ouch, K3b loaded here in case of fireing that URI
[03:31] <ChrisCoolie> talaxor, works that as it should?
[03:31] <talaxor> it seems to. i can access my ntfs drive from normal user konqueror
[03:32] <ChrisCoolie> but at this time ntfs rw restricted in linux
[03:32] <ChrisCoolie> its experimental!
[03:32] <ChrisCoolie> so, ro is better
[03:33] <talaxor> k. i dont intend to write anything to it
[03:33] <RawSewage> hm
[03:33] <DaSkreech> I can't copy files that I own to a partition. What's up?
[03:33] <RawSewage> Do I dare try XGL
[03:33] <ChrisCoolie> NTFS write access is meant
[03:33] <DaSkreech> is that rhetorical?
[03:33] <ChrisCoolie> harhar
[03:34] <talaxor> i'm tempted to reverse engineer ntfs.sys myself. i mean, how bad could it be?
[03:34] <ChrisCoolie> i read 3 month before the docs of ntfs-utils
[03:35] <ChrisCoolie> that is be done of ntfs-utils developers
[03:35] <swhalen> anyone know how to install ivtv?
[03:35] <ChrisCoolie> or is in doing
[03:35] <ChrisCoolie> want you be a member of them, talaxor?
[03:36] <ChrisCoolie> i am not
[03:37] <talaxor> maybe one of these days. i'm not a kernel level hacker type. i write C#code at work all day
[03:37] <ChrisCoolie> search /usr/share/docs for "ntfs". you should find a little bit about the team
[03:38] <ChrisCoolie> /usr/share/doc
[03:38] <roadrunner> Howdy again... now I have a sound issue. Anyone care to listen?
[03:39] <ChrisCoolie> there exist Captive-NTFS. It's a Linux wrapper over the M$-Libraries ;)
[03:39] <roadrunner> I can hear sound and stuff fine. I have watched DVD's, watched online cartoons, and heard other sounds and stuff... However, I have never technically installed the proper drivers (Im just using whatever generic drivers were auto installed)
[03:39] <talaxor> i see over on linux-ntfs.org they are really making progress toward proper ntfs write support.
[03:39] <roadrunner> now, however, when I go to play Wolfenstein, there is absolutely no sound. Why would this be? If sound works everywhere else? Would it be a driver problem?
[03:39] <h3sp4wn> If you add another entry to /usr/share/xsessions does kdm pick it up automatically ?
[03:40] <DaSkreech> talaxor: Mono?
[03:40] <talaxor> fraid not, VS 2005. I only use linux at home.
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> What about captive-ntfs
[03:41] <ChrisCoolie> and it seems M$ doesnt write a new fs for future in the next few days
[03:41] <roadrunner> anyone have any idea what the cause and solution to my problem might be?
[03:42] <ChrisCoolie> it's part of some special distris
[03:42] <DaSkreech> talaxor: Mono is not a Linux technology
[03:42] <talaxor> i know about mono. just never had a chance to play with it.
[03:42] <talaxor> did they ever get a working System.Windows.Forms namespace together?
[03:42] <ChrisCoolie> Captive-NTFS loads the Win-Libraries (it needs the original ones)
[03:42] <DaSkreech> OK It's very good :) and pretty easy for .NET type folks to jump into
[03:43] <talaxor> btw roadrunner, i just launch wolfenstein and i got sound :)
[03:43] <ChrisCoolie> only the ones for NTFS support, from 2k and XP
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> roadrunner: Try disabling artsd - Sounds and Multimedia -> Sound System - > (untick) Enable the sound system then sound should work with wolfenstein
[03:45] <larson9999> the ntfs driver gparted uses is supposed to be rock solid.  i've used in to resize ntfs partitions and haven't had a problem yet.
[03:46] <ChrisCoolie> Captive-NTFS is (as far is i know) free, but of course it doesnt makes it legable without a win-license
[03:47] <ChrisCoolie> ... of W2k and higher.
[03:48] <ChrisCoolie> but would its developers support Vista *beg*
[03:49] <talaxor> Vista still uses ntfs from the betas i've played with.
[03:49] <talaxor> winfs was shelved again
[03:49] <ChrisCoolie> i heard about. So NTFS has future?
[03:50] <talaxor> yep
[03:50] <talaxor> winfs was just a lite sql database for an index
[03:50] <talaxor> ntfs isnt going anywhere
[03:50] <ChrisCoolie> My PC has either no future or in future no Windows.
[03:51] <talaxor> if i could get my printer working in linux that'd be all i'd need to dump windows
[03:51] <DaSkreech> !printing
[03:51] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[03:51] <ChrisCoolie> Its main components are from Jan 2000
[03:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> talaxor: what printer?
[03:51] <RawSewage> I switched 100% Windows to 100% Kubuntu last month
[03:51] <roadrunner> h3sp4wn: hey, that didn't work. I still have no sound, and yet other sounds are playing still
[03:51] <talaxor> magicolor 2400w. listed in printer install wizard, but doesnt print test page or anything else
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> roadrunner: Out of ideas
[03:52] <roadrunner> hm
[03:52] <roadrunner> it's weird... sound works in everything else but a program like Wolfenstein
[03:52] <talaxor> here's a forum page with more info bout my printer stuff: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=159904&highlight=2400w
[03:52] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: That's A pretty complete switch :)
[03:52] <ChrisCoolie> ' have ntfs only for restricted users in Win's partitions...
[03:53] <RawSewage> yep
[03:53] <ChrisCoolie> a ran also wfw 3.11 ;)
[03:54] <roadrunner> what does disabling the sound system do?
[03:54] <ChrisCoolie> it goes very well on my K6-2 500
[03:54] <DaSkreech> OMG You have one?
[03:55] <ChrisCoolie> DaSkreech: do you mean _me_?
[03:55] <ChrisCoolie> Its my Desktop!
[03:56] <DaSkreech> Man I loved the K6-2
[03:56] <ChrisCoolie> Here and now, i will look for a simple command-line output about my hardware
[03:58] <roadrunner> would anyone know why sound works fine in everything but games?
[03:58] <ChrisCoolie> what is your actual hardware?
[03:59] <talaxor> hmm, just found howto for compiling a driver that's supposed to work with my printer
[03:59] <roadrunner> Asus P4P-800 E Deluxe motherboard with onboard sound
[03:59] <ChrisCoolie> my motherboard was too reduced to that processor...
[03:59] <ChrisCoolie> was <-- is
[04:00] <ChrisCoolie> no money for upgrading in a new board/cpu / graphic card
[04:00] <RawSewage> Im following this:  http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/article.php?story=20060602173658632   to see if I can get XGL/Compiz working
[04:01] <ChrisCoolie> the only disadvantage could be the missing downwoard-compability of the new hardware
[04:03] <ChrisCoolie> i doesnt like to run the wfw 3.11 on the 486DX100 --> this one should be formed to a server in future
[04:03] <ChrisCoolie> at the moment, all cards are out of the 486...
[04:05] <ChrisCoolie> it had much Ampere's or something i don't know - bad or no function
[04:05] <ChrisCoolie> but know, i stop the hardware monologue
[04:07] <roadrunner> uhg... I don't think any of my USB ports are working... nothing seems to be recognized when I plug it in... how would I go about checking this?
[04:08] <ChrisCoolie> USB is implemented, but often a problem...
[04:08] <roadrunner> ... how do I check to see if it is even recognized by Kubuntu?
[04:08] <ChrisCoolie> just a second
[04:09] <dr_willis> roadrunner,  plug somthing in/out check dmesg output in terminal
[04:09] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> hey all
[04:09] <dr_willis> 'dmesg' command
[04:09] <ChrisCoolie> stick, mouse, mp3?
[04:10] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> ok, so i got my machine up and running by installing a linksys nic i had laying around.  now i have my dual monitor to set up.  anyone else have dualies set up on their Kubuntu desktop?
[04:10] <unix_infidel> hey dr_willis
[04:10] <dr_willis> Howdies
[04:10] <dr_willis> wifes jukebox is messing up..
[04:10] <unix_infidel> doodies?
[04:10] <roadrunner> input: Logitech Logitech USB Headset as /class/input/input5
[04:10] <roadrunner> [17193154.216000]  input: USB HID v1.00 Device [Logitech Logitech USB Headset]  on usb-0000:00:1d.3-2
[04:11] <roadrunner> wow... it does recognize it... but how do I go about listening to stuff with it, lol
[04:11] <ChrisCoolie> Thats fine
[04:11] <dr_willis> whats scary - it holds 60 cd's - i can fit proberlyu 600 cd's on a mp3 player the size of a deck of cards...
[04:11] <dr_willis> or more. :P
[04:11] <roadrunner> no sound plays out of my headphones at all... I just want to be able to lhave the sound play out of my headset, and configure the mic to work
[04:11] <dr_willis> 600 would proberly fit on one of those cube mp3 players.
[04:11] <dr_willis> usb headphones and mics?
[04:11] <roadrunner> USB Headset
[04:11] <unix_infidel> roadrunner: i dont think that's gonna work well.
[04:12] <dr_willis> good luck. :P
[04:12] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> My secondary screen turns into my primary screen as soon as i configure X for 'nvidia' drivers.  this alone isn't a problem, but the other screen doesn't come on at all after that.  anyone have any ideas on what is taking place with this?  (i'm kinda a Linux noob, so plz take it easy on me)
[04:12] <roadrunner> I just want the sound to work..
[04:12] <roadrunner> Logitech Logitech USB Headset as /class/input/input5
[04:12] <roadrunner> see? It is recognized?
[04:12] <unix_infidel> roadrunner: check dmesg output.
[04:12] <roadrunner> but how would I go about making sound play out of it
[04:12] <ChrisCoolie> to all sound experts: is sound via usb implemented yet? that could roadrunner help!
[04:12] <roadrunner> I did... that was the output... it recognizes it right a way, version, brand, model, and everything
[04:13] <RawSewage> Ok, I followed the XGL HowTo
[04:13] <roadrunner> I just don't know how to set my output to the headphones
[04:13] <RawSewage> time to reboot and see if it worked
[04:13] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Good luck
[04:13] <unix_infidel> just becaues it sees it doesnt mean it recognizes it.
[04:13] <dr_willis> its just spittng out the usb info string for the device
[04:13] <ChrisCoolie> so that maybe confuses
[04:14] <talaxor> gah, built the driver, it shows up in the add printer wizard, but it still doesnt print
[04:14] <roadrunner> ok... it doesn't just "See" a device, it knew the brand and model and all of that... I was just assuming it it was recognized
[04:14] <dr_willis> check the cups logs.
[04:14] <roadrunner> whats that?
[04:15] <ChrisCoolie> the more elder the hardware is - the linux support better is? :p
[04:15] <dr_willis> Not always :P
[04:15] <dr_willis> best to get 'good solid hardware - that you researched'
[04:15] <dr_willis> :P
[04:16] <ChrisCoolie> i have
[04:16] <roadrunner> so... anyone know how I would select a USB audio device for playback?
[04:16] <dr_willis> USB headsets and mics give me fits under windows as well.
[04:16] <roadrunner> I googled it, and it appears as if it can be done
[04:16] <dr_willis> tey alwyas screw things up.
[04:16] <roadrunner> and my windows ran this headset fine
[04:16] <roadrunner> it's just I don't know where to go to configure this in linux
[04:17] <talaxor> hmm, logs say media tray is empty, but there's plenty of paper in it
[04:17] <ChrisCoolie> Win$ != Linux
[04:17] <dr_willis> talaxor,  i had the EXACT SAME error.
[04:17] <dr_willis> talaxor,  i used the cups web interface to set the tray to somthing else.. or perhaps set a different driver.. (i forget) and it started working
[04:17] <talaxor> what's the cups web interface?
[04:17] <dr_willis> talaxor,  i only have 1 tray on my printer. :P
[04:17] <talaxor> same here
[04:18] <ChrisCoolie> Rock solid HP here at LPT/EPP...
[04:18] <dr_willis> http://localhost:631  (i think)
[04:18] <dr_willis> this was a HP laserjet6l that has always worked good for me befor
[04:18] <ChrisCoolie> at USB or LPT?
[04:18] <dr_willis> the cups interface may be disabled by default (which i find dumb) the wiki/forums tell how to enable it.
[04:18] <talaxor> yep, its disabled
[04:19] <dr_willis> thers a bit of a stink going on about how Ubuntu handled CUPS in the dapper release.
[04:19] <DaSkreech> roadrunner: Have you tried to google it?
[04:19] <roadrunner> yeah
[04:19] <dr_willis> the web interface is proberly the best interface to use to enable/confgure printers.. and they decided the minimal gnome interface is better. :)
[04:19] <roadrunner> I have been
[04:20] <roadrunner> but there is nothing with good instructions
[04:20] <roadrunner> and I am entirely too new to linux to figure that out just yet
[04:20] <roadrunner> Im trying, but I don't even know how I can tell if a USB device is attatched. I had my travel drive connected, and the light turned on, but I couldn't even figure out how to use it or anything
[04:20] <ChrisCoolie> Cups says to me: In case of security, use another tool...
[04:20] <roadrunner> i just can't seem to get USB working...
[04:21] <dr_willis> I cant recall the last time id heard of a security issue in cups to be honest.
[04:21] <dr_willis> There may have been some.. but those guys seem very very on the ball.
[04:22] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> could someone plz tell me if Kubuntu supports Xinerama out of the box or is there something that i have to install before it will work?!?!?
[04:23] <roadrunner> anybody have any idea how I can get my USB headset to work?
[04:23] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> i am trying to figure this problem out so i can get my dual monitor setup going on Kubuntu and not have to go back to Mandriva
[04:23] <ChrisCoolie> My USB bus can be ran (Debian Sarge [its from Spring 2005]  supports my Logitech Mouse as USB (now i use it PS2- wise)
[04:23] <DaSkreech> roadrunner: For A drive I know you can mount /dev/sda1
[04:23] <DaSkreech> Not sure how to get a headset working
[04:24] <roadrunner> I don't know what you mean... why would you have to mount a travel drive?
[04:24] <roadrunner> you cant just plug it in and go?
[04:24] <DaSkreech> roadrunner: Yeah You can. I've seen it not mount twice though
[04:24] <dr_willis> ph4t-ph4nt0m,  it takes some tweaking/work last i messed with it. depends on yoru video cards as well.
[04:24] <ChrisCoolie> DaSkreech: In Usual cases no /dev/sda* devices are exist in Kubuntu!
[04:24] <roadrunner> bear in mind, Im a linux noob, I don't know how to make it work >_< My next problem (Another day) will be getting my ipod to be recognized...
[04:24] <DaSkreech> amarok! :)
[04:25] <ChrisCoolie> How enable?
[04:25] <ChrisCoolie> the devices?
[04:25] <stephan22222_> hi
[04:26] <stephan22222_> is it a know problem that movies played with flash (youtube) are asynchron?
[04:26] <ChrisCoolie> then i bye (after i tried one of a friend) a stick...
[04:26] <stephan22222_> sound is to late i gues 500ms
[04:26] <stephan22222_> is their a way to fix sound delay in flash?
[04:27] <ChrisCoolie> wich Flash do you use?
[04:27] <dr_willis> !flash
[04:27] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> dr_willis, thanks for recognizing my question, but could youplease tell me if it comes straight with the OS or do i have to install it somehow?  i have a PCIeXpress GF 6600GT.  the 'nvidia' driver works find but it swaps my main monitor with my secondary monitor and the opposite monitor come up with fragments instead of a screen or not at all.  any ideas on what causes this and how to fix it?
[04:27] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:27] <ChrisCoolie> There are more than one implementation
[04:27] <dr_willis> ph4t-ph4nt0m,  its a X configuration issue. that the X config tools do not handle  (yet)
[04:27] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> dr_willis, i've been working with this for 2 days now and still haen't gotten it to work quite right.
[04:28] <stephan22222_> ChrisCoolie: i use the flash which comes with easy ubuntu
[04:28] <ChrisCoolie> k
[04:28] <RawSewage> lol this is freaky
[04:28] <dr_willis> ph4t-ph4nt0m,  i had to manually work on the x config to get mine working. You may want to check oiut the MEPIS live cd. it had a tool to configure the 2 displays.. then use ITS working confiug as an example.
[04:28] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> dr_willis, should have reealized that, but this even happens after i manually configure it by hand
[04:28] <RawSewage> I installed Compiz
[04:28] <RawSewage> Konversation ServerList window wont go away though
[04:28] <ChrisCoolie> i torred the Dapper Kubuntu DVD
[04:29] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> dr_willis, thanks.  i'll check it out.  MEPIS Linux?  i'll download it now.  thanks a lot man.
[04:29] <dr_willis> ph4t-ph4nt0m,  also if using nvidia - yop  proberly want to research 'twinview' its their own variant of xcinerama. No idea on  ati cards.
[04:29] <ChrisCoolie> and burned that with my new LG
[04:29] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> dr_willis, i appriciate your help.
[04:29] <dr_willis> ph4t-ph4nt0m,  yea - mepis has few other redeming features. :P they are even switching to the ubuntu repos last i looked. Perhaps ubuntu will get their x config tools some day
[04:29] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> dr_willis, yeah, i stick to nVidia with Linux.  been running nVidia since 2001.
[04:30] <RawSewage> this is crazy
[04:30] <RawSewage> my whole desktop rotated like a cube
[04:31] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> dr_willis, i hope they work on it a bit.  When i tried running MEPIS a couple years ago, it seemed pretty nice, but still not as good as Debian itself.
[04:31] <ChrisCoolie> If Kubuntu doesnt fit my needs until the next Debian Releasee (Etch) it will lose.
[04:32] <dr_willis> for nvidia - google for some example twinview configs.
[04:32] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: What Video Card do you have?
[04:32] <dr_willis> i dont even mess with the xinerama stuff
[04:32] <RawSewage> let's see
[04:33] <RawSewage> I hid the server list window on another side of the cube lol
[04:33] <dr_willis> ph4t-ph4nt0m,  check out  http://gentoo-wiki.com/Twinview_Example for an example i used.
[04:33] <RawSewage> DaSkreech,  I have GeForce Ti 4200/AGP/SSE2
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Ah ok :)
[04:33] <ChrisCoolie> At this time, i would try it beside Etch until my partitions will mess
[04:33] <RawSewage> DaSkreech, are you using Compiz
[04:34] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: I wish :) It crashes on startup
[04:34] <DaSkreech>  Stupid ATI drivers :-(
[04:34] <RawSewage> oh
[04:34] <RawSewage> thers an ATI howto
[04:34] <ChrisCoolie> my old fashioned AGP Card from 2k works okay
[04:35] <ph4t-ph4nt0m> dr_willis, oh kool, thanks!  i was heading there as we were speaking too! heh.
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Yeah but the stupid ATI drivers still crash
[04:35] <ChrisCoolie> not on mine?
[04:36] <ChrisCoolie> tried the official way on console?
[04:36] <stephan22222_> my ati diver works good
[04:37] <ChrisCoolie> my 'ATI Rage 128 Pro 8MB' is very very old fashioned...
[04:37] <ChrisCoolie> on win, i watch TV (AverMedia TVPhone 98) via that
[04:37] <RawSewage> ChrisCoolie, youre using Compiz now?
[04:38] <DaSkreech> if I had an old card I could get this working
[04:38] <DaSkreech> They have opensource drivers
[04:39] <ChrisCoolie> hem, sorry. Where do i find this?
[04:39] <RawSewage> huh
[04:39] <RawSewage> are we talking about Compiz
[04:40] <ChrisCoolie> Sorry i 'm not using this (at moment).
[04:42] <ben_> hi
[04:42] <ChrisCoolie> I couldn't get ontopic to/ with Compiz because of my old fashioned PC...
[04:43] <ChrisCoolie> That doesnt make sense i think...
[04:43] <dunefan> is Automatic and EasyUbuntu the same thing?
[04:43] <RawSewage> no
[04:43] <talaxor> how do i restart cups?
[04:43] <RawSewage> Automatix is different than EasyUbuntu
[04:44] <dunefan> I had trouble with Automatix and thought IU might try EasyUbuntu
[04:44] <ben_> I have 6.06 is there an easyUbuntu for that?
[04:44] <RawSewage> !easyubuntu
[04:44] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[04:44] <ben_> i mean easyKubuntu
[04:44] <RawSewage> !easykubuntu
[04:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about easykubuntu
[04:44] <RawSewage> I dont know
[04:44] <ben_> i'm a linux n00b
[04:44] <ChrisCoolie> How do i get port 631 (CUPS Web Interface working [to get rid the disabling)
[04:45] <talaxor> that's what i'm trying to do right now
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Easy Ubuntu should work on Kubuntu
[04:45] <DaSkreech>  it's non-gnome stuff
[04:46] <RawSewage> #EasyUbuntu
[04:46] <Frederick> hi folks isnt netbeans in the repositories?
[04:48] <ChrisCoolie> I know Linux good: in '96 i tried Slackware, 97-98 i had Debian 2, 2k i installed Suse, later RH, 05 Debian Sarge and now i wait for a suitable system for me.
[04:49] <uriahheep> hello
[04:49] <ChrisCoolie> Win do i know since 3.1, my actual xp sucks
[04:49] <uriahheep> ...would kubuntu be suitable for a pII 250mhz with 256mb sdram?
[04:49] <ChrisCoolie> i have 500mhz, it runs
[04:49] <RawSewage> Xubuntu would be better
[04:50] <Ahmuck> i have a computer at home, and i want to update via adept.  can adept build a portable profile for a usb key so that i can download the updates to the usb key and then take it home and update my computer ?
[04:50] <Frederick> uriahheep, nope, kde will suck
[04:50] <uriahheep> hmm... it runs, as in it can be used but lags and loads apps slowly, or it runs properly and switfly?
[04:50] <Frederick> uriahheep, use something like windowmaker or xfce
[04:50] <uriahheep> Frederick: actually, accelerated knoppix ran fairly impressively on it
[04:50] <uriahheep> (using kde on it)
[04:50] <Frederick> uriahheep, so try your luck
[04:51] <uriahheep> hm...
[04:51] <uriahheep> (for girlfriend... there's a gtk package manager right?)
[04:51] <ben_> Anyone have an intersil based wirelss card?
[04:51] <ChrisCoolie> are you satisfied uriahheep?
[04:51] <uriahheep> ...or qt, of course
[04:51] <Frederick> uriahheep, you aren't gay cause you use graphical stuff
[04:51] <uriahheep> hmm?
[04:51] <uriahheep> nah
[04:51] <uriahheep> i use genpoo
[04:52] <uriahheep> wow, strange silence
[04:52] <ChrisCoolie> Kubuntu haves Adept, Ubuntu Synaptic, i doesnt know Xubuntu
[04:52] <uriahheep> ChrisCoolie: as package managers, you mean?
[04:53] <ben_> where do i go to see what wireless card i have, its not in network settings
[04:53] <ChrisCoolie> they sit up on apt and its tools
[04:53] <uriahheep> ChrisCoolie: nice..
[04:53] <ChrisCoolie> .deb packages
[04:53] <uriahheep> ChrisCoolie: how well does it run on your 500mhz?
[04:53] <uriahheep> ...how long does it take to load openoffice, for example
[04:53] <ChrisCoolie> I use Kubuntu since Thursday
[04:53] <Frederick> folks I ask again is netbeans avaliable?
[04:54] <ChrisCoolie> I test...
[04:54] <uriahheep> ChrisCoolie: ah... ok then... not enough time to judge then?
[04:54] <ChrisCoolie> first start after all ;)
[04:55] <ChrisCoolie> that takes longer
[04:56] <ben_> So what should i use to install all the codecs on my computer? Atomatix or easykubuntu?
[04:56] <ChrisCoolie> 45 seconds (the first start after Kubuntu-Install)
[04:57] <ChrisCoolie> now, close Openoffice writer, and start it again.
[04:57] <ChrisCoolie> i have 256MB Ram, and a 768MB Swap Partition. My Main Components are from 2k
[04:58] <uriahheep> hmm
[04:58] <uriahheep> how long does second start take?
[04:58] <ChrisCoolie> but my harddisk is only one year old
[04:59] <uriahheep> hm
[04:59] <uriahheep> how fast is it, and what dma does your motherboard support?
[05:02] <ChrisCoolie> second start: ca. 30 seconds. UDMA 4 (says XP), but i have no benchmark results
[05:03] <ChrisCoolie> I watch DVD-Video (UDMA 2) burn since Tuesday DVD also that
[05:03] <Frederick> folks I ask again is netbeans avaliable?
[05:04] <ChrisCoolie> do you mean the java framework?
[05:04] <Frederick> yes
[05:04] <ChrisCoolie> There are official sites at sun or java .com
[05:05] <Frederick> I know but I want a package
[05:05] <ChrisCoolie> i that that ;)
[05:05] <Frederick> ?
[05:05] <ChrisCoolie> i thought that
[05:05] <ChrisCoolie> that i meant
[05:06] <decious> anyone ever had issues mounting data dvds greater than 4GB?
[05:07] <decious> I can mount data dvds so long as it is lower than that, but for whatever reason I get IO errors, DVD is readable on a windows box fine
[05:07] <ChrisCoolie> I have to take my brAun shaver
[05:07] <ChrisCoolie> :p
[05:07] <humbert> hello all
[05:07] <humbert> i am newbie here
[05:08] <humbert> i install kubuntu 1 hour ago
[05:08] <humbert> h somebody here ?
[05:08] <Hudson_h> zo back
[05:08] <Hudson_h> en ondertussen met een beter irc ook
[05:08] <humbert> ?
[05:09] <osiris> humbert, what is your problem/question
[05:09] <humbert> somebody know how to install skype with kubuntu ?
[05:09] <ChrisCoolie> Hudson_h you maybe the only dutch writer in this moment
[05:09] <osiris> sudo apt-get install skype
[05:09] <humbert> h osiris good name
[05:09] <Hudson_h> sry i'm in the wrong channel
[05:09] <Frederick> oki so there is no package?
[05:10] <humbert> skype has many linux versions
[05:10] <osiris> humbert, thx   sudo apt-get install should get ya going
[05:10] <humbert> andn i dont know how to install the good one
[05:10] <osiris> humbert, what version do you want
[05:10] <humbert> h i just want skype
[05:10] <humbert> i dont care what version
[05:11] <humbert> the last one i presume
[05:11] <osiris> then use the command i provided
[05:11] <humbert> command ?
[05:11] <osiris> sudo apt-get install skype
[05:11] <decious> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1202068#post1202068
[05:11] <humbert> OK
[05:11] <humbert> thi i know
[05:11] <humbert> konqueror
[05:11] <decious> well if anyone can take a look and give me some tips
[05:11] <humbert> is equivalent firefox
[05:11] <humbert> or IE
[05:11] <decious> I have googled to death :)
[05:11] <osiris> humbert, if you want firefox, do sudo apt-get install firefox
[05:12] <osiris> see a pattern developing ?"
[05:12] <humbert> but normallyi download a exe file
[05:12] <humbert> i click
[05:12] <humbert> and magic its installing
[05:12] <osiris> linux life is far different from the M$ way of doing things
[05:12] <humbert> with kubuntu .....
[05:13] <humbert> bqslghGSQGEZG,
[05:13] <humbert> MAYBE I DIDNNT UNDERSTAND THIS NEW WAY
[05:13] <humbert> sudo what ?
[05:13] <humbert> where i put sudo apt firefox
[05:14] <osiris> into a terminal
[05:14] <humbert> oula ?
[05:14] <osiris> from command line
[05:14] <RawSewage> why would you do that??
[05:14] <humbert> in the bank ?
[05:14] <RawSewage> Firefox is in the Add/Remove programs
[05:14] <RawSewage> remember, he's a Windows user
[05:14] <humbert> ahaaaa
[05:14] <humbert> there is a add programm menu
[05:14] <humbert> great
[05:15] <osiris> RawSewage, because most of the time the gui apps are broken, and give users more issue than learning the proper cli way of doing things
[05:15] <humbert> yes yes i am an old (stupid) MS user
[05:15] <decious> humbert, it also may be easier if you are just learning linux to use one of the gui packages like synaptic
[05:15] <osiris> stupid doesnt play into it
[05:15] <osiris> its just different
[05:15] <RawSewage> true
[05:15] <humbert> maybe maybe
[05:15] <humbert> the only thing is i am a bit disapointed
[05:16] <humbert> and i would like be as comfortable like on windows
[05:16] <humbert> maybe to persuade my friends to change
[05:16] <humbert> i am open to learn
[05:17] <osiris> patience young padwan.  all in due time
[05:17] <osiris> =)
[05:17] <humbert> yes yes may the force be with you too
[05:18] <bioticpro> evening yall, why in konq, would /home/username/ show previews, whereas system:/media/hdb3/username wouldn't, they both are pointing to the same location
[05:18] <humbert> apparently force was with france yesterday
[05:18] <decious> I got my wife to switch over, now she won't change back to MS for anything
[05:18] <humbert> we win versus BRASIL
[05:19] <humbert> OK
[05:19] <humbert> so how to install other softwares
[05:19] <humbert> ?
[05:19] <humbert> apparently there is a command window
[05:19] <osiris> decious, same here. we keep windows for gaming, and certain work related software.  other than that, we are an all nix household
[05:19] <humbert> and i must write command in text correct ?
[05:20] <osiris> absolutly
[05:20] <humbert> good
[05:20] <humbert> its its like DOS 15 years ago
[05:20] <decious> osiris, yea games still are developed for windows platforms, wine just doesn't cut it yet, it will come, eventually.
[05:20] <osiris> and remember, cli commands are case sensitive
[05:21] <arcturus> hey, OPERA is nice!
[05:21] <decious> osiris, so anything thoughts on large data DVD mounting issues?
[05:21] <osiris> decious, the day i can get sims2 and its associated packs to work, windows goes out one
[05:21] <arcturus> very impressed with its speed
[05:21] <decious> haha
[05:21] <humbert> where i find this window to write commands inside ?
[05:21] <arcturus> !windows
[05:21] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[05:21] <decious> I need battlefield, that will be a wile
[05:21] <decious> er while
[05:21] <osiris> decious, dual layer 8G disc's ?
[05:22] <stephan22222_> hi
[05:22] <decious> this one is just a dvdr but its 4327 MB
[05:22] <osiris> humbert, konsole or rxtv, or xterm or Eterm,
[05:22] <decious> the 4127 mounts fine
[05:22] <osiris> decious, never had an issue with that
[05:23] <stephan22222_> i handled to istall xgl, really impressive, but i don't have any window decoration, can anyone imageine what wrong is?
[05:23] <decious> I read a lot of posts were people couldn't burn data dvds greater than 4gig, but the tricks they used never worked for me
[05:23] <humbert> write 2 4Go discs
[05:23] <decious> I tried to force the dvd to use the scsi emulation, but no dice, I posted the errors I was getting in ubuntuforums
[05:24] <humbert> simple !
[05:24] <ChrisCoolie> humbert, do want "Konsole"?
[05:24] <humbert> yes yes
[05:24] <humbert> where is this console ?
[05:24] <humbert> heu konsole
[05:24] <osiris> its a program that opens up a command line box on yer desktop
[05:24] <ChrisCoolie> Fast way --> Ctrl+F2, type Konsole
[05:24] <decious> I have data cds that I have to mount, its annoying booting linux, reading the files, then rebooting to linux and getting them off the other partition
[05:24] <stephan22222_> gnome-window-decorator ist the problem, in which package is that?
[05:25] <ChrisCoolie> or (both in KDE) K -> KDE -> Konsole
[05:26] <humbert> hhh
[05:26] <ChrisCoolie> but if you want get out of X...
[05:26] <humbert> i find konsole
[05:26] <humbert> its like DOS
[05:26] <ChrisCoolie> ... then Try Ctrl + Alt +F2
[05:27] <ChrisCoolie> Then back to X --> Ctrl+Alt+F7
[05:27] <ChrisCoolie> Konsole has Linux commands...
[05:27] <ChrisCoolie> as the Terminal has
[05:28] <osiris> hi lowtech
[05:28] <osiris> didnt see ya there
[05:28] <ChrisCoolie> now, i will do some admin tasks
[05:29] <lowtech> hi osiris
[05:29] <JupiterDuo> is shipit ready to take orders for >10 CD's?
[05:29] <Hawkwind> osiris: Then pay attention :P
[05:29] <Hawkwind> JupiterDuo: Some people have already gotten theirs
[05:30] <JupiterDuo> ok, last time I looked at the form it didn't allow input of custom #'s of CD's
[05:32] <lowtech> lol, little pickles
[05:33] <humbert> FUCK
[05:33] <osiris> humbert, watch the language please
[05:33] <humbert> who tell me to do ctrl + alt + F2
[05:33] <humbert> ???
[05:34] <humbert> bastard, i have to reboot
[05:34] <JupiterDuo> humbert: (and everyone) be very careful if anyone tells you to press any key sequence on IRC :P
[05:34] <lowtech> reboot? why?
[05:34] <humbert> you have just this to do make jokes with new users
[05:34] <osiris> humbert, you didnt read the rest of the statement..  you needed to press ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to your desktop
[05:35] <humbert> mmmm
[05:35] <osiris> it was a bad recomendation
[05:35] <humbert> ok
[05:35] <osiris> that tends to trip up a lot of first time linux users
[05:35] <humbert> i still dont know how to install one simple software
[05:35] <osiris> wasnt meant that way though
[05:36] <humbert> i have konsole open
[05:36] <JupiterDuo> osiris: waht does Ctrl+alt+F2 and C-A-F7 do?
[05:36] <Hawkwind> humbert: What do you want to install ?
[05:36] <Hawkwind> JupiterDuo: Press it and see
[05:36] <humbert> SKYPE
[05:36] <osiris> type sudo apt-get install skype
[05:36] <osiris> and press enter
[05:36] <lowtech> should always wait a few after given a command to make sure you got all of it, or someone else says don't
[05:36] <Hawkwind> JupiterDuo: It takes you to a console tty, then ctrl-alt-f7 brings you back to X
[05:36] <osiris> humbert, then you have to enter your users password
[05:36] <humbert> sudo apt-get install skype
[05:36] <osiris> yes
[05:37] <osiris> exactly
[05:37] <humbert> f... not here !
[05:37] <JupiterDuo> OK, good to know :)
[05:37] <Hawkwind> humbert: Have you enabled multiverse yet ?
[05:37] <humbert> pasword ?
[05:37] <osiris> your user password you set on install
[05:37] <Hawkwind> humbert: Enter your password
[05:38] <humbert> thks
[05:38] <osiris> or just enter if you didnt set one
[05:38] <Hawkwind> Seems skype is in freecontrib
[05:38] <humbert> i am newbie but not like this
[05:38] <humbert> :-)
[05:38] <JupiterDuo> just put in my request for 50 Kubuntu CD's, hopefully they'll ship em
[05:38] <humbert> impossible to find the paquet skype
[05:38] <JupiterDuo> I'm sure my "reason" is good (Distro to fellow CS students)
[05:39] <Hawkwind> humbert: Have you set up multiverse and all that for your sources.list yet ?
[05:39] <humbert> multiverse ?
[05:39] <Hawkwind> !multiverse
[05:39] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:39] <Hawkwind> humbert: Read that
[05:39] <humbert> its a new sexual position ?
[05:39] <JupiterDuo> humbert: I wasn't able to find skype in teh repositories
[05:40] <JupiterDuo> humbert: did you try getting the package from the skype website?
[05:40] <humbert> heu apparently there are different linux files
[05:40] <Hawkwind> JupiterDuo: No need
[05:40] <Hawkwind> JupiterDuo: There are repos for it
[05:40] <humbert> wait
[05:41] <JupiterDuo> didn't find it on packages.ubuntu.com
[05:41] <JupiterDuo> must be some other repository
[05:41] <jbrouhard> Hey guys
[05:41] <jbrouhard> quick question
[05:41] <osiris> humbert, if you are new to linux, i suggest trying http://linuxfordummies.org
[05:41] <jbrouhard> on duo core laptops, do you have to use SMP, or is that not recommended?
[05:41] <Hawkwind> JupiterDuo: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=545.0
[05:41] <osiris> dont be put off by the name....its a VERY helpful site
[05:41] <humbert> http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/
[05:42] <JupiterDuo> another linux help site I like for ubuntu is ubuntuguide.org
[05:42] <humbert> there are 7 different possibilities
[05:42] <Hawkwind> JupiterDuo: Read that post.  It's a modified sources.list but each source has been checked and verified
[05:42] <decious> osiris, what kernel are you using?
[05:42] <humbert> come on guys, do it simple
[05:42] <humbert> 7 differnt files
[05:42] <Hawkwind> jbrouhard: Yes you have to use the SMP kernel AFAIK
[05:42] <osiris> 2.6.15-25-386
[05:42] <humbert> i know why 95% use windows
[05:43] <jbrouhard> Damn
[05:43] <osiris> humbert, because 95% of people dont want to learn how there computers work.
[05:43] <Hawkwind> humbert: Don't troll.  Just follow directions
[05:43] <JupiterDuo> thanks for the link
[05:43] <jbrouhard> You dn't need to recompile right?  just apt-get install kernel-smp right ?
[05:44] <Hawkwind> jbrouhard: apt-get install linux-686
[05:45] <humbert> shit
[05:45] <jbrouhard> ok
[05:45] <humbert> and i cant do paste in konsole
[05:45] <Hawkwind> !language
[05:45] <ubotu> Please watch your langage and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:45] <humbert> i have to write manually all commands
[05:45] <humbert> family friendly ?
[05:45] <humbert> aha i forget you are in the USA
[05:45] <Hawkwind> humbert: If you have a middle mouse button, you click it to paste
[05:46] <humbert> cool
[05:47] <humbert> no way to install this damm software
[05:47] <jbrouhard> *sigh*
[05:47] <humbert> i copy the commands but ...
[05:47] <jbrouhard> Samba is driving me up a wall
[05:48] <caribou7> Anyone here use Krusader?
[05:49] <caribou7> Wondering why I can't upgrade Krusader to latest version.
[05:49] <caribou7> (it is not in any of the approved sources)
[05:49] <osiris> humbert, did you check out linuxfordummies.com ?
[05:49] <osiris> err. linuxfordummies.org i mean
[05:49] <Hawkwind> caribou7: What version are you trying to upgrade to ?
[05:50] <Hawkwind> caribou7: krusader_1.60.1-0ubuntu3  <~~That's the latest on the repos it appears
[05:50] <osiris> humbert, there is a kubuntu section there. under how-to's, read the post about sources.list
[05:50] <caribou7> Yeah and it's buggy - there is a newer version, hold on let me find the page
[05:51] <humbert> i go on internet to complete my knowledge on linux
[05:51] <humbert> your linuxfordmmies is not working
[05:52] <caribou7> Hawkwind:  At http://krusader.sourceforge.net/ it says latest stable version is 1.70.0
[05:52] <Hawkwind> humbert: d00d, http://linuxfordummies.org
[05:52] <osiris> http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=545.0.
[05:52] <Hawkwind> caribou7: It probably won't hit the repos for a while yet
[05:52] <humbert> yep i find on google
[05:52] <osiris> http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=545.0
[05:53] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[05:53] <caribou7> Rats, the version they have now keeps bombing - same error (sigenv 11 or something like that)
[05:54] <humbert> sources list ?
[05:54] <humbert> what is that ?
[05:54] <caribou7> It does it whenever I try to open certain directories, and it's not permissions because it does it even when running root mode Krusader.
[05:54] <JupiterDuo> humbert: it's at /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:54] <caribou7> (dev directory for one)
[05:55] <osiris> its a file, that tells apt where to download software from
[05:55] <JupiterDuo> use a text editor to change it (as root)
[05:55] <osiris> humbert, ^^
[05:55] <KaoticEvil> humbert: its the list of repositories that apt/synaptic/adept use for software downloading/installing
[05:55] <humbert> ok
[05:55] <KaoticEvil> !repos
[05:55] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:55] <KaoticEvil> check that out, humbert
[05:55] <ChrisCoolie> Q: How to reduce / ca. 10 GB ?
[05:55] <humbert> so you just tape skype and the computer install it from the net
[05:56] <Hawkwind> humbert: No
[05:56] <osiris> humbert, yes. once sources.list is setup
[05:56] <osiris> well, sudo apt-get install sykpe
[05:56] <Hawkwind> humbert: You seriously need to do some reading about linux and the distro you chose.  You are asking the same questions over and over and not getting anywhere
[05:56] <JupiterDuo> humbert: first do sudo apt-get update after you update the sources.list
[05:56] <osiris> but you type that, and it installs
[05:57] <humbert> no but i see KDE is not a intuitive OS
[05:57] <Hawkwind> KDE is NOT an OS first of all
[05:57] <humbert> i mean a real easy software
[05:57] <Hawkwind> It's a desktop environment
[05:57] <Hawkwind> humbert: I'll put it to you this way, linux is NOT for everyone
[05:58] <ChrisCoolie> KDE makes your OS smooth - not more
[05:58] <osiris> you have to want it, and be willing to read/learn to make it work
[05:58] <osiris> E17 ftw
[05:58] <KaoticEvil> humbert: you may be happier with PCLinuxOS
[05:58] <humbert> PClinuxOS ?
[05:59] <humbert> me i want a good interface with simple tools
[05:59] <humbert> free and powerful, no more
[05:59] <ChrisCoolie> yes Hawkmind smooth is not every Environment - thats philosophy
[05:59] <KaoticEvil> Kubuntu has that.... but there are other distros that are even easier
[05:59] <Hawkwind> ChrisCoolie: I'll stick with E17, but thanks for trying :P
[06:00] <humbert> but i am not stupid, i am engineer
[06:00] <ChrisCoolie> as experienced with Original Debian i can go deeper if someone needs help
[06:00] <osiris> humbert, patience and reading will get you everywhere in linux
[06:01] <osiris> and you cant be afraid to get your hands dirty
[06:01] <humbert> this philosophy is quite difficult, the user has to adapt to hardware
[06:01] <humbert> not the opposite
[06:01] <ChrisCoolie> what i do is not what you do
[06:01] <osiris> you bought the hardware, of course you have to adapt to it
[06:01] <humbert> but i will read more in detail these web ressources
[06:01] <osiris> humbert, you mean you came out of the womb a perfect windows user ?
[06:01] <humbert> thks again
[06:01] <humbert> BYE all
[06:02] <ChrisCoolie> you are clearly near - here!
[06:02] <Hawkwind> ChrisCoolie: What exactly are you rambling to yourself about ?
[06:03] <arcturus> !ubuntu
[06:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[06:03] <arcturus> !kubuntu
[06:03] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:04] <ChrisCoolie> I meant earlier: Don't think because some a lot use their Hardware _near_ you have to narrow it
[06:05] <jerry> hi
[06:05] <jerry> hi
[06:05] <ChrisCoolie> sorry for my kludge of english - i'm not e native english speaker
[06:05] <jerry> Chris, you have an irish name and yet you don't speak english?
[06:06] <jerry> I have a question
[06:06] <ChrisCoolie> hem. The Nick ChrisCoolie is derivated of Name/Surname, read www.christiankuhlmann.de
[06:06] <jerry> ok
[06:06] <jerry> I have a question
[06:06] <Hawkwind> Then ask
[06:07] <jerry> I want to connect to a BBS through telnet and when something like "Global: and someone types a global message" that it gets sent to a seperate window. Also have auto connect on disconnect.
[06:08] <Hawkwind> Ahhh, you're still wanting that.  No idea here
[06:08] <arcturus> jerry, what decade do you live in?
[06:08] <arcturus> sorry, joke
[06:08] <jerry> Well what I want to do is connect to a BBS to play Mud but I don't want to have to deal with all the unnessisary stuff that comes up
[06:08] <Hawkwind> arcturus: He trying to live his childhood memories again :P
[06:09] <ChrisCoolie> We are in the Zero's now :p
[06:09] <jerry> I was born in 1998
[06:09] <jerry> 21st century?
[06:09] <Hawkwind> You're 7 years old ?
[06:09] <ChrisCoolie> me in 1972
[06:09] <Hawkwind> Maybe 8 years old depending on when your b-day is
[06:09] <jerry> ya
[06:09] <jerry> But I advanced because I came from an alien nation
[06:10] <arcturus> and I want my beta VCR back!
[06:10] <jerry> is that still a term?
[06:10] <ChrisCoolie> uh oh :p
[06:10] <arcturus> and 8 track tapes
[06:10] <jerry> Well what do people do for MUD these days?
[06:10] <ChrisCoolie> think i have to visit de.alt.ufo again ;)
[06:10] <jerry> BBS was back in 1998 when the internet didn't exist
[06:10] <arcturus> would google help?
[06:11] <Hawkwind> jerry: Not hardly
[06:11] <jerry> Well I play runescape but it got boring fast
[06:11] <Hawkwind> jerry: BBS's were around in the 80's, early 80's at that as I started on a C-64 with 300Baud in 1983
[06:11] <RawSewage> try early 80s
[06:11] <jerry> What was 300 baud like?
[06:11] <_sonic_> Hi guys. Can anyont help me with my system mail. It doesn't seem to be functioning. The mutt command isn't being recognised.
[06:11] <RawSewage> screechy
[06:11] <arcturus> Hawkwind: I won't ask how much you paid for that 300 baud :)
[06:12] <RawSewage> you actually placed the phone on it
[06:12] <ChrisCoolie> Later much Fido-Boxes ran with BBS
[06:12] <jerry> Can you do stuff like read email with 300 baud?
[06:12] <RawSewage> the receiver
[06:12] <Hawkwind> arcturus: Heh.  I got it free as a x-mas gift :P  But my 1200baud it seems cost about $120 IIRC
[06:12] <RawSewage> you called someone's house
[06:12] <RawSewage> that had a BBS set up
[06:12] <osiris> i still have an accoustic coupler paralel modem laying around here
[06:12] <jerry> Like for example, if I wanted to send a paper with 10 lines on it, how fast would it go through 300 bauld?
[06:13] <osiris> radio shack special!~
[06:13] <Hawkwind> jerry: It'd go at 300BPS :P
[06:13] <RawSewage> 10 seconds?
[06:13] <jerry> 10 sec?
[06:13] <Hawkwind> Probably take 15 - 20 seconds roughly
[06:13] <ChrisCoolie> depends on line
[06:13] <jerry> That long
[06:13] <jerry> wow
[06:13] <Hawkwind> Assuming you are getting the full 300BPS of course
[06:13] <jerry> how about 1200 bps?
[06:13] <Hawkwind> 1/4 of that time
[06:14] <Hawkwind> LOL
[06:14] <jerry> If I had a whole page of text
[06:14] <RawSewage> CompuServe was the closest thing to an internet back then
[06:14] <jerry> including paragraphs
[06:14] <jerry> and headers and fooders
[06:14] <jerry> Like 5 sec?
[06:15] <jerry> I ask cause I'm a HAM and I got a D-Star radio that can send stuff at 1200 BPS through the air
[06:15] <RawSewage> there wasnt HTML
[06:15] <jerry> and for example I want to type stuff on my laptop and send it home at 1200 BPS like 5 pages of text
[06:15] <jerry> and three paragraphs on every page
[06:16] <jerry> or two to three paragraphs
[06:16] <jerry> I'm not scientific
[06:16] <RawSewage> ok
[06:16] <jerry> I don't even know how to form numbers together
[06:16] <RawSewage> I guess divide 1200 / 8
[06:17] <jerry> What's that?
[06:17] <RawSewage> 15 letters per second?
[06:17] <jerry> !calc 1200/8
[06:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about calc 1200/8
[06:17] <RawSewage> 150 I mean
[06:17] <jerry> 150 sec?
[06:17] <jerry> Holy cow
[06:17] <jerry> that's slow
[06:17] <RawSewage> NO
[06:17] <jerry> 2 min
[06:17] <RawSewage> 150 letters per second
[06:17] <RawSewage> but this is offtopic
[06:18] <jerry> so how many letters is on a page usually?
[06:18] <jerry> like an essay
[06:18] <ChrisCoolie> offtopic is often topic :p
[06:18] <RawSewage> doesnt bother me
[06:18] <_sonic_> Anyone know anything about WinXP's "Compress Old Files" option?
[06:18] <stephan22222_> that sucks there is a borken packe for compiz-gnome, it dependes on a new packageversion which is nowhere
[06:18] <ChrisCoolie> ok
[06:18] <jerry> offtopic stands for it's not on topic chris
[06:18] <osiris> _sonic_, in what regards
[06:19] <_sonic_> I just accidently left the option ot compress old filed checked while doing a disk cleanup
[06:19] <osiris> it compresses old files not frequently accessed
[06:19] <jerry> Is there a program for telnetting to stuff that allows scripting that parses lines of text like "Global: this is a message" and malipilates it like python or something + auto connect on disconnect?
[06:19] <ChrisCoolie> that's clear. i meant: often is off topic on topic - a little bit humor ;)
[06:19] <_sonic_> I want to move all the files to a linux partition and am worried that they won't work any longer now that they are compressed
[06:20] <osiris> might slow the system a little, as it might have to uncompress some files, but you shouldnt really notice much of a difference
[06:20] <_sonic_> So they'll uncompress as they are accessed from the linux partition and then stay uncompressed?
[06:20] <osiris> _sonic_, try backing up to disk, and making sure they read back fine
[06:21] <_sonic_> There's a Lot of them and I'm not sure which ones are compressed
[06:21] <_sonic_> Is there an uncompress option?
[06:22] <jerry> I was watching a girl that had a lazy eye. I kept looking at it thinking it was fake until she moves it but it only goes so far to the left I believe
[06:22] <jerry> she's still cute though. sucks for the eye
[06:23] <osiris> _sonic_, not that im aware of, but try just a general cross section of files to compare
[06:24] <_sonic_> osiris: Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean
[06:24] <osiris> _sonic_, and i dont think they are actually compressed to something like a zip format or anything
[06:24] <jerry> I have a question
[06:24] <ChrisCoolie> tell while i shave me
[06:25] <_sonic_> osiris: aha. Thanks. ps do you know anything about the Kubuntu default mail program?
[06:25] <ChrisCoolie> In Kontact is KMail embedded...
[06:25] <jerry> I'm trying to run eggdrop and it says [21:24]  invalid command name "!" while execting "! /home/jerry/eggdrop" (file "eggdrop.conf" line 1)
[06:26] <osiris> _sonic_, what is it ? i do all my stuff custom, so i dont know whatthe default is
[06:26] <jerry> oh and it's a Tcl error in file 'egdrop.conf'
[06:26] <ChrisCoolie> exists the file /home/jerry/eggdrop?
[06:26] <osiris> jerry, i MIGHT be able to help with an eggdrop
[06:26] <jerry> ok
[06:27] <ChrisCoolie> okay i let you both
[06:27] <osiris> pastebin the eggdrop.conf file, and pm the link to me
[06:27] <jerry> ok
[06:27] <jerry> What's your email/
[06:27] <jerry> oh pm
[06:27] <jerry> um can you join #jerry
[06:28] <ChrisCoolie> i will mess up my extended Partitions if moving them to HDD top will fail..
[06:29] <_sonic_> osiris: Well, I want to be able to send mail from php. My scripts are not working. I tried to check /var/mail but it's empty and the mutt command is not being recognised.
[06:29] <osiris> _sonic_, thats not my area.  cant help ya there
[06:30] <_sonic_> osiris: no probs, thanks anyway
[06:30] <osiris> sure thing
[06:32] <bleaked> so i was missing an option i loved in konqueror, and so after discussing w/ a few people in this channel, it was decided that i would need to restore my original kde profiles (see: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror ) -- however, now all of my kde panel 'quick browswer' applet links do not open konq, nor does the various 'system places' menu open, and finally nor does any kio-slave dialog box asking me to open a newly mounted cd-rom
[06:37] <osiris> bleaked, did you rm your ~/.kde dir ? (make a backup first)
[06:42] <bleaked> osiris: i have not removed my .kde dir..are you telling me to..or?
[06:42] <osiris> im saying try it, but make a backup of it first
[06:42] <osiris> just to test
[06:50] <bleaked> osiris: well, i'm assuming i should restart kde then?  (i can try this in a minute, i'm waiting for this cd to finish ripping)
[06:51] <osiris> yes, and dont burn the .kde dir, just rename it something
[06:52] <osiris> if you burn it, its gonna set all the file permissions to read only
[06:53] <SpAwN> hello all im on a kubuntu live dvd...trying to figure out why i have no sound....it seems that it sees my sound card....and i sound a script that gathers info on the soundcard...and there are even mods loaded for the sound card...but i still have no sound.
[06:54] <SpAwN> i have obviously checked if its muted...which it doesnt appear to be
[06:54] <SpAwN> lspci shows me this: 0000:00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[06:55] <osiris> and all volumes are up in alsamixer ?
[06:56] <SpAwN> all the ones that i can slide up are.....but some say muted.....how do i unmute them....there ones like pcm and surround...didnt think that they would affec tthe sound
[06:56] <Hawkwind> PCM must be unmuted
[06:56] <SpAwN> but may as well have them all unmuted
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Highlight them and press M
[06:56] <osiris> thx Hawkwind
[06:56] <SpAwN> hmm actualy now that im looking it was already unmuted
[06:57] <SpAwN> pcm that is
[06:57] <osiris> make sure kde is using alsa as default sound server ?
[06:57] <SpAwN> i hjavent osiris....this is a live dvd...i will check
[06:58] <SpAwN> hmm...would u know where i set that....i never use kde...and this is my 1st time on kubuntu
[06:58] <Hawkwind> kcontrol
[06:58] <osiris> kcontrol
[06:58] <osiris> doh!~
[06:59] <SpAwN> Hawkwind: u are on fire tonight =D
[06:59] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Make sure ALL settings in alsamixer are unmuted though
[06:59] <SpAwN> Hawkwind: i just turned them all on
[07:00] <Hawkwind> You scrolled all the way to right and got each one ?  There are about 25 different settings to change
[07:00] <SpAwN> yes Hawkwind.....lol...took me a few mins to realize that but yes
[07:01] <SpAwN> k kcontrol was set to auto detect...i switched it to alsa
[07:02] <SpAwN> now restarting sound system is reapeaing itself
[07:02] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Have you done all of the restricted formats stuff ?
[07:02] <SpAwN> Hawkwind: no i was using one of the examples in the the folder
[07:02] <SpAwN> ...this is a live dvd
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !restricted
[07:02] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:02] <SpAwN> figured i wouldnt do that till i got any kinda sound
[07:03] <SpAwN> hmm the little status bar under restarting sound service is just looping
[07:03] <SpAwN> itll get to 100% then go back to 0 % and do it all over
[07:04] <Hawkwind> You need to do restricted stuff to get sounds possibly
[07:04] <osiris> open a term and try sudo kill artsd
[07:04] <SpAwN> Hawkwind: i had a very similer prob when  i tried centos and ubuntu a while back(probly 8-9 months ago)
[07:04] <osiris> might unloop it
[07:05] <SpAwN> osiris: right on man.,,,,did unloop it
[07:06] <SpAwN> still no sound when i try the sound test
[07:06] <SpAwN> :(
[07:06] <Hawkwind> Again, you have to do the restricted formats stuff
[07:07] <SpAwN> Hawkwind: u realy think that that will affect all the sounds?
[07:07] <SpAwN> like i get no start up sound...i get nothing
[07:07] <osiris> SpAwN, cant say i ever attempted sound on an intel chipset, so im kinda clueless to its nuances
[07:07] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: It happened to me.
[07:20] <Healot> hi kubuntuans
[07:21] <Hobbsee> hey Healot
[07:21] <Hobbsee> SpAwN: is the PCM in kmix all the way up?
[07:21] <SpAwN> yes Hobbsee
[07:22] <Hobbsee> SpAwN: hmmm...which sound chipset is this?  obvuiously an intel
[07:22] <SpAwN> im now gonna try and install it on a small partion to make sure i can get sound to work...but now its stuck at 50% of destecting my hard disk...
[07:22] <SpAwN> yes
[07:22] <SpAwN> 0000:00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[07:22] <SpAwN> hmm.......wonder why its stuck...
[07:24] <SpAwN> 2dns time its not gotten paste step 5...the disk scann thinggy
[07:25] <SpAwN> brb gonna try somthing real quick
[07:28] <Healot> I finally resize my resolution to the smoothest screen eva~
[07:34] <SpAwN> hmm disappointing,,,,the installer isnt getting past the disk scan part...it got past the scan part but now is just hangging with the little mouse pointer spinning
[07:34] <SpAwN> ...ill let it sit for a few more mins
[07:35] <noiesmo> looking for help with pxeclient pxelinux.0 invalid image error
[07:37] <Healot> no valid installer image - symptom... solution, reinstall a valid image, make sure the DHCP server configured correctly?
[07:39] <billdha> hello
[07:39] <billdha> Can someone tell me how to complitly remove Eterm
[07:42] <Healot> apt-get remove --purge eterm
[07:51] <SpAwN> welp here goes....lets hope i re partioned my hdd right and dont lose all 250 gigs of important stuff =D
[08:09] <SpAwN> brb
[08:14] <Healot> damn Skim keep crashing...
[08:19] <holotone> I'm trying to enable simple local file sharing in between two kubuntu 6.06 machines
[08:20] <holotone> I'm at the machine with the folder I'm trying to share
[08:20] <holotone> I right click on the folder in konquerer and select properties
[08:20] <holotone> the select the "Share" tab
[08:20] <holotone> then "Configure File Sharing"
[08:20] <holotone> I am prompted for su password, which  I enter
[08:20] <holotone> I then get the dialog I SHOULD get, but I can't do anything as everything is greyed out.
[08:20] <holotone> any ideas?
[08:23] <roob> well good news.....i didnt mess up my partions
[08:27] <holotone> Anyone? Simple folder sharing between two kubuntu 6.06 machines?
[08:27] <raul> how to restore grub?
[08:30] <ArmedGeek> holotone: nfs, probably
[08:31] <Lynoure> hmm, info grub does not give the grub manual on kubuntu
[08:31] <ArmedGeek> raul: grub-install /dev/<device>
[08:32] <raul> how using the install cd?
[08:33] <Lynoure> raul: put it in a boot with it
[08:36] <rpedro> !tell raul about grub
[08:37] <__osh__> Odd bet. I'm sure I know how it ends. With nothing and a claim that security stopped them. Let's hope they make enough on google-ads though. http://www.sonjaswette.com/index_en.html
[08:39] <Lynoure> Is kubuntu supposed to show texinfo manuals with info command in it's default configuration?
[08:40] <__osh__> Lynoure: Think so.
[08:40] <Lynoure> __osh__: hmm, yes, seems that at least wget one is fine
[08:41] <SpAwN> wow adept is pretty slick huh?
[08:41] <Lynoure> time to report a tiny bug, then
[08:41] <ArmedGeek> SpAwN: yep
[08:41] <ArmedGeek> Lynoure: what info isn't working ?
[08:41] <Zaire> anyone here know where I can find the aclocal-1.4 install or if it goes by any different name
[08:42] <__osh__> I've always found adept to be a little slow. Works well enough though. One thing that bothers me is that I have to give my password to make security updates. Those should go more or less automatically.
[08:43] <Zaire> my mandriva says aclocal-1.4 is missing when I try to run a make on this one program of mine
[08:44] <ArmedGeek> Zaire: urpmi -y aclocal .. and why are you asking that here ?
[08:44] <Lynoure> Zaire: but what does ubuntu say when you try the same?
[08:44] <Zaire> cause its a linux help question and to get help with mandriva you have to pay a min of 60 bux for reg fee
[08:44] <Lynoure> ArmedGeek: info grub. I filed a bug on it already  (into grub, not into info)
[08:45] <Zaire> and Im not running ubuntu
[08:45] <ArmedGeek> Lynoure: info grrub works here
[08:46] <ArmedGeek> Zaire: just join #mandriva .. it's free
[08:46] <Lynoure> ArmedGeek: hmmm, I haven't done anything t oinfo nor grub installations myself
[08:46] <Lynoure> ArmedGeek: so you get the grub texinfo manual, and not the man page?
[08:46] <Zaire> I would use Ubuntu or kubuntu but my vidcard makes it run very unstable
[08:46] <ArmedGeek> Lynoure: works on my desktop too
[08:47] <ArmedGeek> Zaire: if you're using mandriva just join #mandriva .. most of the guys over there know their distro
[08:48] <Lynoure> ArmedGeek: I wonder whether it was then something that didn't upgrade right to the stable version of dapper. So you do get the right text, and not the one that says it should show the texinfo manual?  (just wanting to be sure)
[08:49] <ArmedGeek> Lynoure: whoops, my bad.  wasn't paying close enough attention
[08:51] <Lynoure> ArmedGeek: Thanks in any case. :)
[08:55] <hunt0r> hi all, I have a problem with the transperancy in the konsole. When I activate the transparency only the first tab in the konsole will be transparent if i open another tab it is dark is this a known problem?
[08:57] <Lynoure> hunt0r: let me see if I can get it to happen on mine...
[08:58] <whoiam55> hunt0r: you have to save your session profile. settings > save as default
[08:58] <SpAwN> hello all....i stil  have no sound i see this when i use aplay...so kubuntu sees that i have a sound card at least...http://pastebin.ca/76888
[08:58] <SpAwN> ive unmuted and turned up every single thing in alsamixer
[08:59] <Lynoure> hunt0r: I got background transparancy on all the session tabs.
[08:59] <crimsun> SpAwN: pastebin ``amixer''
[08:59] <hunt0r> whoiam55: sry this does not help :(
[08:59] <SpAwN> ive added all the things in RestrictedFormats and still no sound at all...nothing
[08:59] <hunt0r> Lynoure: what kde version do you have?
[09:00] <SpAwN> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/76889
[09:00] <SpAwN> the normal pastebin timed out on me
[09:00] <whoiam55> hunt0r: I just saw it's not working with root shell, but working with normal console
[09:01] <hunt0r> whoiam55: hmm...
[09:01] <Lynoure> hunt0r: the latest one that came with Dapper, 3.5.2
[09:01] <SpAwN> i realy hope i get sound to work for me.....im liking this os
[09:01] <crimsun> SpAwN: amixer set 'External Amplifier' off
[09:02] <whoiam55> hunt0r: I'm using latest kde btw
[09:02] <hunt0r> Lynoure: hmm.. ok I have upgradet to 3.5.3 but I saw this bug befor I upgraded too
[09:02] <SpAwN> crimsun: k done
[09:02] <SpAwN> let me test
[09:02] <whoiam55> SpAwN: what's you problem?
[09:02] <SpAwN> no sound whoiam55
[09:02] <SpAwN> :(
[09:02] <_rince_> mrg
[09:02] <whoiam55> SpAwN: do you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[09:02] <whoiam55> and I supposed no sound in amarok
[09:03] <Healot> !info libxine-extracodecs
[09:03] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[09:03] <SpAwN> whoiam55: yes i have it...no not just amarok...no sound at all
[09:03] <SpAwN> and no crimsun i still have no sound
[09:03] <whoiam55> !info amarok
[09:03] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 7630 kB, installed size 18672 kB
[09:04] <SpAwN> i personaly use xmms for mp3's
[09:04] <crimsun> SpAwN: is this a laptop or a desktop?
[09:04] <SpAwN> desktop dell dimension 8400
[09:04] <SpAwN> uses ac'97
[09:04] <SpAwN> 0000:00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[09:05] <crimsun> amixer set 'Exchange Front/Surround' on && amixer set 'Spread Front to Surround and Center/LFE' on
[09:06] <SpAwN> should i use sudo to do that cmd?
[09:06] <crimsun> no
[09:06] <SpAwN> k
[09:06] <SpAwN> done
[09:06] <crimsun> have you ever had sound (e.g., live cd)?
[09:06] <SpAwN> no
[09:07] <crimsun> if that doesn't work, dmesg
[09:07] <SpAwN> i used mandriva linux b4..and it had no probs with it....i tried centos a while back and had no sound either....also a older version of ubuntu....
[09:07] <crimsun> I may not respond immediately, phone
[09:07] <SpAwN> sure thanks man
[09:08] <SpAwN> omg crimsun it WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:08] <SpAwN> i hear music
[09:08] <crimsun> excellent.
[09:08] <SpAwN> thanks god...........thanks so much
[09:08] <Healot> duh
[09:08] <SpAwN> i need to write that down so when i do a real full install i wont bug ya again ;)
[09:13] <SpAwN> brb gonna fire up xchat
[09:16] <Healot>  no one read the MigratingFromWindowsToubuntu documentation around here?
[09:18] <sketchb0x> anyone around that could help me with a kde xorg config
[09:18] <sketchb0x> my dual display nvidia card works on the login screen, but when kde boots up the second monitor goes out
[09:18] <sketchb0x> anyone have any idea what changes from one screen to another?
[09:18] <sketchb0x> that would mess up my xorg config
[09:18] <sketchb0x> kde 3.5.3
[09:19] <Lynoure> Healot: I haven't as I didn't migrate from Windows to Ubuntu... Do you want feedback on it, or something?
[09:19] <ArmedGeek> sketchb0x: TwinView ?
[09:19] <whoiam55> !info mythtv
[09:19] <ubotu> mythtv: A personal video recorder application (client and server). In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 0.18.1-5ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 17 kB, installed size 64 kB
[09:20] <sketchb0x> twinview is correct
[09:20] <Healot> no... it seems people don't do reading anymore
[09:20] <Healot> but they watch Da Vinci Code
[09:20] <whoiam55> !info mythgame
[09:20] <ubotu> mythgame: A game frontend (xmame, snes, nes, pc) module for MythTV. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 0.18.1-3ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 367 kB, installed size 1496 kB
[09:20] <Lynoure> Healot: I bet many people come to the channel without knowing that document exists.
[09:21] <sketchb0x> ArmedGeek, it should work, and has worked before on this same box...
[09:21] <martinjh99> What package are the kernel headers in?
[09:21] <Healot> it's not even listed on the channel topic...
[09:22] <Healot> but nvm...
[09:22] <Lynoure> Healot: can you give the url for it. It wasn't googlable as easily as I thought (in fact some of the hits hinted at such document not existing, making further googling less likely for most people)
[09:22] <Healot> pretty hard huh?
[09:23] <sketchb0x> any idears ArmedGeek?
[09:24] <martinjh99> !info kernel-headers
[09:24] <ubotu> Package kernel-headers does not exist in dapper
[09:24] <cpk1|away> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingFromWindows lynoure?
[09:24] <__osh__> what's the quick-key for switching desktops in kde these days?
[09:24] <Healot> maybe because the faq on wiki has no spacing
[09:24] <cpk1|away> first hit
[09:25] <cpk1> "Migrating From Windows To ubuntu documentation" gave me that link as first result...
[09:25] <martinjh99> What package is the Kernel Headers in? Need it for compiling Vmware Kernel Modules...
[09:26] <Lynoure> cpk1: looks like something that should be on the topic on in the channel faq if such thing existed. Would prolly weed out at least handful of questions a day
[09:26] <Healot> !find headers
[09:26] <ubotu> Found: libxaw-headers, libxmu-headers, linux-headers-2.6.15-23, linux-headers-2.6.15-23-386, linux-headers-2.6.15-23-686 (and 33 others)
[09:26] <Healot> !info linux-headers
[09:26] <ubotu> Package linux-headers does not exist in dapper
[09:26] <Healot> !info linux-headers-386
[09:26] <ubotu> linux-headers-386: Linux kernel headers on 386. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.6.15.23 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 52 kB
[09:26] <Healot> !info linux-headers-686
[09:26] <ubotu> linux-headers-686: Linux kernel headers on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.6.15.23 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 52 kB
[09:26] <Lynoure> cpk1: documentation prolly was the magic word. instead of howto
[09:27] <cpk1> but its so much easier to have someone tell you exactly what to do than read it =P
[09:27] <martinjh99> Got them thanks Healot!
[09:29] <Healot> martinjh99: the most catchy way to install is "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
[09:29] <Lynoure> cpk1: Indeed, but I think I'll link it to my blog anyway, so that maybe someone will read it (but no one reads my blog...)
[09:33] <sketchb0x> man this kde x issue is buggin me out
[09:34] <sketchb0x> (0)(0)
[09:34] <Healot> what issue?
[09:35] <an> any app can open chm file in kde?
[09:35] <Healot> !find chm
[09:35] <ubotu> Found: fetchmail, archmbox, fetchmailconf, gnochm, kchmviewer (and 8 others)
[09:36] <Healot> !info kchmviewer
[09:36] <ubotu> kchmviewer: CHM viewer for KDE. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.3a-1 (dapper), package size 171 kB, installed size 568 kB
[09:37] <cpk1> lynoure: that wiki seems to be pretty helpful for a new person i suppose, still seems pretty general though
[09:37] <an> thanku
[09:39] <jaro> Hmm maybe another trial configuring of the Laptop Monitor ????
[09:44] <default> hi all
[09:45] <sketchb0x> yo
[09:45] <default> is anyone able to assist me with installing gcc? (I'm a complete noob)
[09:45] <Hobbsee> !b-e
[09:45] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!)
[09:46] <sarahg> hi
[09:46] <Hobbsee> sk3tchb0x: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:46] <Hobbsee> hey sarahg
[09:46] <Healot> !info build-essential
[09:46] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In repository main, is optional. Version 11.1 (dapper), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[09:46] <sk3tchb0x> hobbsee, for my twinview issue?
[09:47] <Hobbsee> sk3tchb0x: sorry, that should have gone to default
[09:47] <sk3tchb0x> cool
[09:48] <Hobbsee> sk3tchb0x: not a clue w.r.t. twinview
[09:48] <Hobbsee> (oh good.  everything will stop highligting like crazy now :P)
[09:48] <default> !info gcc
[09:48] <ubotu> gcc: The GNU C compiler. In repository main, is optional. Version 4:4.0.3-1 (dapper), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[09:49] <Healot> the dualmonitor configuration for nvidia graphics accelerator
[09:49] <Healot> !info twinview
[09:49] <ubotu> Package twinview does not exist in dapper
[09:49] <Healot> !find twin
[09:49] <ubotu> Found: twin, twinkle
[09:50] <Healot> !info twin
[09:50] <ubotu> twin: a Text mode WINdow environment. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-1 (dapper), package size 424 kB, installed size 1452 kB
[09:50] <Healot> hoho funny
[09:54] <an> any app can read all pdf ,pdg and caj file?
[09:55] <Healot> what are those in the first place
[09:55] <an> healot?
[09:55] <an> wut u mean
[09:55] <Healot> what files are these pdg caj?
[09:56] <Healot> please don;t give extension of probably unpopular format
[09:56] <bowler_iain> How can
[09:56] <bowler_iain> how do you install flaash on to linux
[09:56] <Healot> !flash > bowler_iain
[09:57] <an> healot,unpopular? there are lots of files of these 3 format
[09:57] <bowler_iain> how do you install flash player
[09:57] <Hobbsee> !flash
[09:57] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:58] <Healot> I am not in the electronic documentation business
[09:58] <Healot> I don;t know then
[09:58] <lowtech> Hobbsee: how would i get it to send me something in /msg, or can it do that?
[09:59] <an> okanyway ,thanku
[09:59] <Hobbsee> lowtech: sure, !whateveryouwanttobetoldabout > lowtech
[10:00] <lowtech> Hobbsee: thanks
[10:00] <Hobbsee> or !tell lowtech about whatever
[10:00] <lowtech> ok
[10:03] <Healot> !info india
[10:03] <ubotu> Package india does not exist in dapper
[10:04] <BoSJo> Hi all: where do I find the [apt-get]  commands?
[10:05] <Healot> man apt-get
[10:05] <Healot> oh man... I love you, man
[10:06] <BoSJo> Healot: thanks
[10:06] <Hobbsee> BoSJo: also apt-get --help or apt-get -h
[10:06] <grothesk> Hello!
[10:07] <flo> i have this problem....libcairo is upgradable and when i try to do that i get upgrade (break) and gnome is giviing me a lot of error mesegez , is inusable, nothing works anymore, how can i get to know wich package enters in conflict with libcairo?i actualy use kubuntu
[10:07] <Healot> to get full documentation of most Linux program, "man"
[10:07] <grothesk> I'm searching for a kradio version for Dapper. May I use this .deb? http://debian.cn99.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kradio/
[10:07] <default> yeah, like... "man apt-get"
[10:07] <crimsun> !info kradio
[10:07] <ubotu> Package kradio does not exist in dapper
[10:07] <Healot> flo: "apt-get -f install"
[10:08] <crimsun> grothesk: you can try
[10:08] <bowler_iain> theres nothing to do with install flash player
[10:08] <Healot> grothesk: i think so...
[10:08] <grothesk> How can I tell for which ubuntu is that 'universe'-tree?
[10:09] <crimsun> grothesk: you can't unless you read the Packages file
[10:10] <Healot> grothesk: you can sort that using adept or synaptic
[10:11] <grothesk> How can I read them?
[10:12] <grothesk> BTW: How would I use adept to install a local .deb?
[10:12] <bowler_iain> Lynoure: Help
[10:13] <sensei> dpkg -i
[10:13] <sensei> Ah sry
[10:13] <flo> Healot: libcairo2: Dipende: libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1) ma 2.1.10-1ubuntu2.1is going to be installed , i can't get the sense of that
[10:13] <Healot> just press y
[10:13] <Healot> and it should isntall all the dependencies
[10:14] <crimsun> flo: pastebin ``apt-cache policy libcairo2''
[10:16] <grothesk> flo, this dependency is not to be resolved by now.
[10:16] <uniq> morning.
[10:16] <grothesk> Maybe try later.
[10:21] <grothesk> flo, is that a .deb provided by beerorkid?
[10:21] <flo> grothesk, i think i gotit, i have 500 http://www.beerorkid.com dapper/main Packages , and i'll comentit then apt-get update, right?
[10:22] <crimsun> yes.
[10:22] <crimsun> external repos are generally bad.
[10:23] <grothesk> Sometimes 3rd-party repos may cause trouble.
[10:23] <grothesk> As in this case...
[10:23] <flo> i realy experinced that on my own ....good to know for the future
[10:23] <flo> thx
[10:30] <Lynoure> bowler_iain: hmm?
[10:33] <Lynoure> bowler_iain: When you just ask "Help", it sounds like you are drowning or something. So what's the matter?
[10:34] <bowler_iain>  how do you install flash player on linux
[10:34] <crimsun> install flashplugin-nonfree from multiverse
[10:35] <bowler_iain> crimsun: i've tryied that
[10:36] <crimsun> bowler_iain: what Web browser are you usinG?
[10:37] <bowler_iain> konqueror
[10:37] <crimsun> bowler_iain: ls /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/
[10:38] <bowler_iain> nothing
[10:38] <gupta> where are the network profiles stored ppl?
[10:38] <crimsun> bowler_iain: then it probably failed to install due to mirror (network) problems, which is a known issue
[10:39] <gupta> I can find the individual files for my default profile in /etc/resolv.con /etc/network . But if I add another profile, its settings are nowhere to be found .
[10:39] <Lynoure> bowler_iain: you can also go to the macromedia site and install flash from there.
[10:39] <crimsun> bowler_iain: follow my instructions timestamped "2006-06-17 21:03:36 EDT" at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/48620
[10:43] <Lynoure> hmmm...
[10:44] <cpk1> actually crimsun dont you mean your post on the 18th? =P
[10:46] <[Nige] > anyone got mplayer pr8 installed yet?
[10:47] <crimsun> cpk1: ?
[10:47] <Zaire> ok mandriva channel is dictator styles in their language policy
[10:48] <Lynoure> Zaire: well, swearing is not welcome here either.
[10:48] <Zaire> they gave me hell for saying damn
[10:49] <Lynoure> Zaire: sqitch to Ubuntu and we'll be glad to help you :)
[10:49] <Zaire> I haven't had anyone tell me to watch my mouth over saying that word in atleast 17 years
[10:49] <Zaire> if I had an ATI card I would switch
[10:50] <Zaire> well I can see the harsher words of nature like everyones fav F word lol
[10:50] <Lynoure> Zaire: there is probably some general linux support channel as well
[10:51] <Zaire> my issue is just trying to get tor and Privoxy setup
[10:51] <cpk1> i looked at that link you gave crimsun because i was interested, the timestamp you gave was a different poster than you and didnt have that workaround that you posted on the 18th
[10:51] <Hobbsee> Zaire: yeah, most people dont get away with that - although occasionally it will happen in dev channels, out of extreme frustration
[10:52] <Zaire> so I see
[10:52] <cpk1> zaire i got kicked from a channel for saying "crap"
[10:52] <Zaire> yea thats kinda ridiculous
[10:53] <crimsun> cpk1: the timestamps may differ according to your localtime
[10:53] <Zaire> I would love to run one of the Ubuntu family but my nvidia FX 5200 creates major instabilities
[10:53] <Zaire> don't know why cause I can run debian just fine
[10:54] <cpk1> looks like its UTC, not 100% sure though =P
[10:55] <gupta> Zaire: have you tried proxomitron ? It works great with wine
[10:56] <Zaire> nopes dunno if its as good as tor though
[10:56] <gupta> no its a replacement for privoxy
[10:57] <Zaire> does anyone know how to find out what kind of chipset your running, my manual doesn't appear to say
[10:57] <Zaire> I have a Foxconn mobo
[10:57] <grothesk> Zaire, try 'lspci'
[10:58] <grothesk> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN400/PM880 Host Bridge
[10:58] <grothesk> That is my chipset.
[10:59] <Zaire> advanced microdevices I think is what mine is
[10:59] <Zaire> what else hardware wise would ubuntu be incompatible with?
[11:00] <crimsun> Ubuntu can't run on a 1948 toaster.
[11:00] <[Nige] > is anyone using an ati card with kde and dual monitors properly?
[11:01] <Lynoure> Zaire: you can try ubuntu livecd to get some kind of idea how compatible it with your hardware. It's great for that
[11:01] <ArmedGeek> ati cart != proper
[11:01] <ArmedGeek> *card
[11:01] <[Nige] > ArmedGeek, pardon?
[11:02] <Lynoure> ArmedGeek: what would be proper? At least Radeon X600 worked easily and well :)
[11:02] <Zaire> I have a Sempron 3100+  64Bit western digital 160 gig HD Nvidia FX5200 128 meg DDR foxcon mainboard and an LG 16x cd burner oh yea and my ram is an Azen 512 chip and a samsung 256
[11:02] <ArmedGeek>  nvidia
[11:02] <[Nige] > Lynoure, when you login do you have to type xrandr -s XX
[11:03] <Lynoure> [Nige] : No, but I don't have dual monitors, fyi. Just a lappy.
[11:03] <[Nige] > cheers :)
[11:03] <[Nige] > dual monitors under linux is annoying or painfull with ati
[11:04] <Lynoure> ArmedGeek: they work beautifully out of the box nowadays?
[11:04] <rob> my kpanel just died, what is the actual name of it to get it back?
[11:04] <tsdgeos> kicker
[11:04] <ArmedGeek> Lynoure: i've been rrunning nvidia card with TwinView dual displays for quite some time.
[11:05] <rob> cheers tsdgeos
[11:05] <Zaire> and Ive tried Kubuntu LTS dapper, plain Kubuntu dapper, Xubuntu Dapper, Kubuntu dapper 64 bit, ubuntu 64 bit, Ubuntu i386, Kubuntu i386 they all crash pretty much consistantly and I mean total lock up and never at the same point
[11:06] <Lynoure> ArmedGeek: That's not what I asked. :) But good for you.
[11:07] <Zaire> what I would like to know is what did they do to the xorg when they changed it to the newer version from the one that debian uses
[11:08] <Zaire> cause I can run debian pretty much 100% stable
[11:08] <Lynoure> Zaire: in that case you should be able to run Ubuntu just fine
[11:08] <Zaire> thats what I don't get it should but it won't :S
[11:10] <Zaire> Ive tried every possible fix that has been done and some successfully and in the end it stops crashing for 2 days which is the longest I went without a crash then it starts back up again :S
[11:11] <Lynoure> Zaire: you probably don't remember what you got in the logs from the crash?
[11:12] <Zaire> nopes but I assume since I checked the bugzilla site for ubuntu for nvidia+crash that it was the issue cause a friend of mine got it to work with his system and he has an X800 XL
[11:12] <Zaire> dunno I seem to have bad luck with OS lol
[11:15] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, so your blaming the nvidia card ?
[11:16] <|lostbyte|> the graphic cards..
[11:16] <Zaire> just looking at the possibilities and so far that seems the most likely since on the bugzilla site I found like 26 pages of results from my query
[11:18] <Zaire> I really don't know why it won't work but just know I want to really move away from windows and as quick as I can lol
[11:20] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, what motherboard ? processor ? ram ? exta hardware ? ... just in case i come across something ..
[11:21] <Zaire> foxconn board, AMD sempron 3100 64bit proc, azen an samsung ram, western digital 160 gig HD
[11:21] <Zaire> and the nvidia
[11:22] <atul> hello can anyone help me with a small problem starting gvim?
[11:23] <atul> I get the following message everytime I launch gvim: /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: No such file or directory
[11:24] <MidMark> hi
[11:24] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, ok ! where does it crash with the Kubuntu 32bit version, again ?
[11:25] <jaro> do I have to configure additional monitors to be able to switch displays ???
[11:25] <Zaire> no particular point really just random and related to either adept, konverstaion, gaim, kopete, konquerer, or firefox just depends on which is feels like choosing I guess
[11:25] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, Could you remove one ram and see if the problem persist.
[11:25] <Zaire> sometimes as soon as I login
[11:26] <Zaire> could prob try that yea but gonna be a pissoff if its one of the chips lol
[11:26] <|lostbyte|> :)
[11:26] <MidMark> why to boot a program at startup I need to put the script into rc2,3,4,5?
[11:26] <Zaire> I only have 768 megs in my system lol
[11:26] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, worth a try..
[11:27] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, i am just cutting down hardware possiblities..
[11:27] <Zaire> then I guess Im gonna take the samsung out first since its the 256 chip
[11:27] <|lostbyte|> ok
[11:28] <MidMark> any idea?
[11:28] <|lostbyte|> jaro, yes, i belive so..
[11:28] <nico8481> hi
[11:28] <Zaire> dunno when Im gonna try re-installing Kubuntu but I know it will involve a full format
[11:29] <jaro> |lostbyte|:  hm, then i have a problem , because i have too configure the actual LCD Display too, but I dont know how
[11:29] <Zaire> make about the 35th Ive done this month lol
[11:29] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, Thats so Fustrating..
[11:29] <Zaire> yea your not kidding lol but I suppose Ive gotten used to it lol
[11:30] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, what type of script ?
[11:30] <MidMark> |lostbyte|: in general, I don't understand why some scripts have to starts from 4 dirs in rc
[11:31] <Zaire> well I guess I could try a full re-install now just may take me about 20 min or so lol
[11:31] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, Is'nt that the X initilization dir..
[11:31] <Zaire> no guarantee that I will be back on irc tonight if it doesn't work still
[11:32] <Zaire> since that was one of the point it like to crash at lol
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, SO your on that pc ? right now..
[11:32] <MidMark> |lostbyte|: what? I mean rc2.d 3,4 and 5
[11:32] <Zaire> yeps I only have one machine
[11:32] <Zaire> gonna build a new one once I have the money
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, So what are u running on ? windblows ?
[11:33] <Zaire> nopes lol I dumped that but for mandriva lol
[11:33] <Zaire> only one aside from redhat 9 that I can run stable...well that and debian
[11:34] <|lostbyte|> ok !
[11:34] <Zaire> is there anyway to swap xorg for xfree86?
[11:34] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, SO you have a sepertate partition with ubuntu ?
[11:34] <Zaire> nopes
[11:35] <Zaire> would be nice if I did though
[11:35] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, huh ! i dont think so..
[11:35] <|lostbyte|> But you can if you want to compile it..
[11:36] <dakine> speaking of partitions...i want to use partition magic to create linux parts for a dual boot with windblows...but seems linux users are against part mgc. how else can i partition my drive???
[11:36] <Zaire> why would I need to compile anything Ive run winblows and kubuntu side by side before
[11:36] <alucard> hi
[11:37] <alucard> who know how i can install and ati x800gt graphic driver with 3d acceleration?
[11:37] <|lostbyte|> you wanted the xfree86 which has been depricated..
[11:37] <sensei> dakine: There's hundreds of ways, but if you want to do it with partition magic.. just do i
[11:37] <gatekeeper> dakine: you didn't like my suggestion of GParted??
[11:38] <sensei> dakine: Some say that the partitions it creates are rubbish.. but you can still format them in the installation process
[11:38] <sensei> So just go with whatever rocks your boat
[11:38] <alucard> thanks
[11:38] <Zaire> well Xfree is the only xserver other then debians xorg that worked for me
[11:38] <dakine> how can i load a linuc prog unless i have linux??? it wont run under windows so i can then install linux
[11:38] <sensei> sure
[11:38] <|lostbyte|> dakine, with the linux installer its self. while you install kubuntu it will let you make those changes..
[11:40] <dakine> soou are sayin the install process will let me partition???
[11:40] <|lostbyte|> dakine, yes.
[11:40] <dakine> ok...whew tkz!
[11:41] <|lostbyte|> dakine, :P sure..
[11:43] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, what are you looking for ?
[11:44] <MidMark> |lostbyte|: for an explaination of the differences between rc2.d 3, 4 and 5
[11:44] <MidMark> why there are 4 different stages?
[11:44] <Zaire> you gonna be on tomorrow lostbyte?
[11:45] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, hopefully..
[11:45] <Muki-EX> NTFS + Folders with Japanese text = no go?
[11:45] <Muki-EX> I'm not getting any folders that start with Japanese text to show up in Konqueror or the Terminal.
[11:45] <Zaire> well i'll see about doing a multi partition and testing the ram theory tonight and hopefully be on tomorrow
[11:45] <claus> MidMark: http://www.iodynamics.com/education/runlevel.html
[11:46] <zorglu1> pff i wanted to *see* it :)
[11:47] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, there you go ^
[11:47] <Zaire> well if I don't see ya tomorrow thanks for the help its appreciated but more then likely i'll be on tomorrow lol
[11:47] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, Best of Luck !
[11:47] <Zaire> i'll need it laters
[11:48] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, its better you make a seperate partiton to debug this..
[11:48] <Zaire> yeps always good lol
[11:48] <MidMark> claus: the problem I know this, but WHY when you have a script often it should be present in runlevels from 2 to 5 and not only 5
[11:49] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, Cuase it is run in sequence..
[11:49] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, If one is skiped your system will crash..
[11:50] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, 2 - 5 is for multi-user
[11:50] <Muki-EX> Anyone? ^_^
[11:50] <zorglu1> Muki-EX: retransmit :)
[11:51] <Muki-EX> I can't see any Japanese text in NTFS drives.
[11:51] <MidMark> |lostbyte|: yes, but why a script like for example cupsys should start from 2, and from 3 and from 4 and from 5?
[11:51] <Muki-EX> For folders that *start* with Japanese text, this makes them invisible.
[11:51] <MidMark> what it has to do in 4 stages that cannot do in one?
[11:51] <zorglu1> MidMark: to explain the rationnal behind some like the boot process of unix can not be done on irc in a reasonable time. like 10min :)
[11:52] <Muki-EX> zorglul : This is problematic when half of the folders in my music collection (3,000 some odd files) are like this =(
[11:52] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, you can chage that, up to you.. but thats the system default..
[11:52] <zorglu1> Muki-EX: i dont like japanesse music :)
[11:52] <zorglu1> Muki-EX: kidding :)
[11:52] <Muki-EX> Heh, np, it's not for everyone =P
[11:52] <Muki-EX> If there was a way to remove the text in batch I'd do it.
[11:52] <zorglu1> Muki-EX: i think there is a charset option for mount, let me look
[11:53] <MidMark> zorglu1: that is a pitty
[11:53] <Muki-EX> Thanks, zorglul.
[11:53] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, Its really complex.. you will notice that those files are linked and interlinked..
[11:53] <Muki-EX> On another note, whenever I mount a drive under sudo my default user can't access it. Is there a way to change permissions on a mounted folder?
[11:53] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, they all redirect to one simple dir.. /etc/init.rc/
[11:54] <MidMark> |lostbyte|: yes but I cannot understand the rational behind this as said by zorglu1
[11:55] <|lostbyte|> MidMark,huh ! what did he say ?
[11:55] <zorglu1> MidMark: i said nothing, so yes you have trouble understanding it :)
[11:55] <zorglu1> MidMark: and many resource allow you to learn system design on the web or library or bookshop
[11:56] <zorglu1> mount -o codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,utf8 /dev/sdb1 /mnt <- Muki-EX this is the base
[11:56] <zorglu1> Muki-EX: what is your usual mount command for you ntfs ?
[11:56] <Muki-EX> zorglu1 : Thanks =)
[11:56] <Muki-EX> I just put it in fstab
[11:56] <MidMark> zorglu1 you have understand that I want to know the meaning of this desing, I know you haven't explained nothing
[11:56] <Muki-EX> I don't mount manually ^^
[11:57] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, he told you  http://www.iodynamics.com/education/runlevel.html
[11:57] <zorglu1> MidMark: so you have books, and webpage and experience to get :) and this is not my fault if it cant be done here on irc :)
[11:57] <zorglu1> Muki-EX: ok looking for codepage/iocharset for japanese
[11:58] <zorglu1> Muki-EX: else you can use krename, an apps to rename file in batch :)
[11:58] <MidMark> zorglu1: I haven't said that it's your fault... guys are you understanding what you want to understand :)
[11:58] <MidMark> |lostbyte|: no
[11:58] <MidMark> |lostbyte|: the link doesn't explain why it's like this
[11:58] <zorglu1> hehe
[11:59] <zorglu1> MidMark: man you wont get such explaination here
[11:59] <|lostbyte|> zorglu1, sjis, jis7, eucjp
[11:59] <zorglu1> we are trying to tell you
[11:59] <MidMark> zorglu1: I have just understand, you are continue telling me, I'm not asking more than one :)
[12:00] <zorglu1> MidMark: cool :)
[12:00] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, to go into any mode type init <mode_no>
[12:00] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, Experiance each..
[12:00] <zorglu1> damn this non english charset is painfull :)
[12:00] <zorglu1> Muki-EX: do like me, forget your native language and use english :)
[12:01] <claus> MidMarK: that depends on your system, on debian I use generally runlevel 5, on ubuntu there is a default runlevel 2. Commonly it is enough to put your start scripts in the according runlevels. but if you reall want to relay on the runlevel for support purposes then you should use the common behavior. there are tools in the repositorys to do that for you, see man update-rc.d
[12:01] <zorglu1> Muki-EX: is the krename option ok for you ?
[12:01] <MidMark> |lostbyte|: you are still trying to explain me WHAT are runlevels, I don't know how to tell you that I need to know WHY it's like this... do you understand the difference between WHAT and WHY? Anyway it doesn't matter
[12:02] <Muki-EX> zorglul : English IS my native language. I have no control over the folder names, as iTunes makes them from CDDB. There's over 1000 files I'd have to rename it.
[12:02] <zorglu1> q. why init process is 0 ?
[12:02] <Muki-EX> *have to rename
[12:02] <paolo_> prova
[12:02] <zorglu1> Muki-EX: ok :)
[12:02] <paolo_> mi serve un piccolo aiuto per le icone di kubuntu
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, Ok ! they are like that because, you have to have cups started even in runlevel 2 or 3 because if you deside to run it with out x its will still run..
[12:02] <Muki-EX> If I knew a way to batch-remove the text I'd do it ;)
[12:03] <paolo_> hello
[12:03] <zorglu1> http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6753305216.html <- One-third of Japanese engineers willing switch to desktop Linux
[12:03] <Muki-EX> What's the flag in mount for ro ntfs drive?
[12:03] <paolo_> I have download a icon from kde-look
[12:03] <zorglu1> offtopic but found it on the way to japanese ntufp
[12:03] <paolo_> How I can install it???
[12:03] <MidMark> |lostbyte|: oleeeee :) millions of msgs to understand... probably my english is poor :)
[12:03] <zorglu1> Muki-EX: to show 'readonly'
[12:03] <MidMark> |lostbyte|: ok this is a good exaplaination
[12:04] <MidMark> |lostbyte|: thanx
[12:04] <|lostbyte|> MidMark, If you noticed all your services are running even if your in Console mode with out X..
[12:04] <arso_> hey lostbye
[12:04] <|lostbyte|> arso_, Hi there, dude..
[12:04] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  wats up , i got a new problem
[12:04] <|lostbyte|> arso_, Really ! now cute.. :P
[12:04] <zorglu1> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -r -o iocharset=iso8859-2
[12:05] <MidMark> paolo_: ciao, is it so simple, install and put into it the file you doenloaded
[12:05] <kroyer> hi
[12:05] <Muki-EX> Thanks =3
[12:05] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  :P, my torrents on ktorrent are SLOW i gotta 512connection which does 63max on windows,but here its 15 and below !!
[12:05] <zorglu1> MidMark: try adapting the above command with iocharset= to one of the sjis, jis7, eucjp
[12:06] <zorglu1> MidMark: the command is from http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en
[12:06] <zorglu1> MidMark: btw before trying to mount manually unmount the previous mount :)
[12:06] <Muki-EX> brb
[12:07] <MidMark> zorglu1: I'm not mounting at all :)
[12:07] <|lostbyte|> arso_, could be your ISP.. i know of isp's that slow down spesific ports.. or it could be a slow torrent..
[12:07] <dakine> aloha...
[12:07] <|lostbyte|> zorglu1, what'nt that for Muki-EX  ?
[12:08] <jc-denton> where is the hibernate button under kubuntu?
[12:08] <zorglu1> lostbyte, he has a ntfs partition with japanese char in it and would like to see them
[12:08] <|lostbyte|> jc-denton, under the sleep button !
[12:08] <zorglu1> and i never used the whole charset thing :)
[12:08] <|lostbyte|> jc-denton, just joking :P
[12:09] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  but, it cant be my isp, since its on windows
[12:09] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  and its 4 torrents, all with good seeds and ratios.
[12:09] <|lostbyte|> iocharset=euc-jp or iocharset=utf8 sourld work fine..
[12:10] <zorglu1> MidMark: ^ for you :)
[12:10] <|lostbyte|> arso_, ktorrent on windows ?
[12:10] <zorglu1> arso_: i smell nat :)
[12:10] <zorglu1> arso_: have you a port forwarding
[12:11] <jc-denton> also if i press the power button the system shuts down immediately
[12:11] <MidMark> zorglu1: I'm not mounting :))
[12:11] <zorglu1> for once i got something in my area of expertise
[12:11] <jc-denton> and does not show such a dialog as under gnome
[12:11] <zorglu1> MidMark: what do you mean ? not seeing file on a not mounted partition is normal :)
[12:12] <MidMark> zorglu1: are you missunderstanding people, I have asked only for runlevels :)
[12:12] <zorglu1> ah sorry
[12:12] <Cavallo> how could I change panel look ?
[12:12] <zorglu1> i was confused with Muki-EX
[12:12] <MidMark> Cavallo: system settings -> panels
[12:13] <zorglu1> Muki-EX: my previous message to MidMark, have you read them ?
[12:13] <MidMark> Cavallo: or aspect
[12:13] <arso_> zorglu1:  yes,port forwarde
[12:13] <arso_> zorglu1:  just not sure if i did it right
[12:13] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  utorrent on windows, ktorrent on linux
[12:13] <zorglu1> arso_: from your description, the port forwarding it no good
[12:14] <|lostbyte|> jc-denton, Didt find a use for it.. but here http://www.suspend2.net/
[12:14] <Cavallo> MidMark: aspect ?
[12:14] <zorglu1> arso_: azureus allows you to test the port forwarding, i dunno for ktorrent
[12:14] <zorglu1> arso_: well we can do a little test. what is the 'public port' of your port forwarding ?
[12:15] <MidMark> Cavallo: don't know english translation, check the first two icons in system settings
[12:15] <arso_> zorglu1:  uumm ? :P meaning
[12:15] <|lostbyte|> arso_, there is also an online test --> http://btfaq.com/natcheck.pl
[12:15] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  checking it out
[12:15] <jc-denton> no i mean
[12:16] <jc-denton> under ubuntu i can just click on suspend
[12:16] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  " hash id of the torrent"?
[12:16] <jc-denton> err hibernate
[12:16] <jc-denton> i installed kubuntu-desktop
[12:16] <jc-denton> and there is no such thing
[12:16] <jc-denton> also i have the problem that kdm is not loaeded automatically
[12:16] <jc-denton> i did dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[12:16] <jc-denton> and choosed kdm
[12:16] <|lostbyte|> arso_, yes ! the weird no you have with torrents..
[12:16] <|lostbyte|> paste it there..
[12:16] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  umm where can i get it from an active torrent on ktorrent please
[12:17] <|lostbyte|> something like.. 76S8DF7A68DF8A7SD68FF
[12:17] <|lostbyte|> example ^
[12:17] <zorglu1> arso_: when you did the port forwarding you re ssupposed to have a public and local port
[12:17] <|lostbyte|> arso_, should be on the line where you see yout download list..
[12:17] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  ok i am there,
[12:18] <arso_> zorglu1:  is there any tool that configures port forwarding automatically
[12:18] <zorglu1> arso_: nope.
[12:18] <|lostbyte|> arso_, sorry, got mixed up with some other client.. are you on ktorrent now ?
[12:18] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  yes, ktorrent
[12:18] <zorglu1> arso_: wait you said it was ok on window ?
[12:18] <arso_> zorglu1:  ya, my speeds were fine
[12:19] <|lostbyte|> brb 5 mins
[12:19] <zorglu1> arso_: ok so my diagnostic is (i) your port forwarding isnt working (ii) window did a upnp automatically
[12:19] <zorglu1> arso_: you may try to install azureus, it has upnp and port forwarding checker
[12:19] <RawSewage> ok, how do you fix the problem where it says another instance of Adept is running
[12:20] <arso_> zorglu1:  but isnt azureus  a resource leech and stufF?i only have 1gb ram
[12:20] <zorglu1> arso_: azureus requires more resource than ktorrent, but run without issue on 1gb ram
[12:20] <zorglu1> if anything it will help you debug your issue
[12:21] <arso_> zorglu1:  u sure it wont slow everything up
[12:21] <arso_> zorglu1:  so it has a linux kubuntu version?
[12:21] <zorglu1> take the linux version, it run on any distribution
[12:21] <zorglu1> RawSewage: there is a lock file somewhere
[12:22] <zorglu1> RawSewage: or maybe there is a problem with the database
[12:22] <jc-denton> soo do i have to suspend my box in the cli or is there a chance that i can press on the powerbutton or something?
[12:22] <zorglu1> RawSewage: try a 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[12:22] <billdha> Hello,i run Kasbar and then i turn it off ,but now on panel theres no application show,how to fix this problem
[12:23] <RawSewage> zorglu1, thx, didnt work.  I'll try sudo top
[12:24] <|lostbyte|> arso_, no !
[12:24] <|lostbyte|> dont ktorrent is the best...
[12:24] <zorglu1> no :)
[12:24] <|lostbyte|> zorglu1, what me to prove it ?
[12:25] <zorglu1> hehe go ahead :)
[12:25] <omeow> ktorrent is hardly the best (for me)
[12:25] <zorglu1> but dont forget it is unprovable by definition :)
[12:25] <zorglu1> as 'best' is a very fuzzy criteria
[12:25] <omeow> Exactly.
[12:26] <omeow> I do agree that the UI looks great, but internally it seems to be missing things.
[12:26] <omeow> It takes ages for transfers to start, even when the correct ports are forwarded.
[12:26] <|lostbyte|> arso_, are you there ?
[12:26] <omeow> Torrent on windows is my favorite.
[12:27] <omeow> Hopefully ktorrent can use that as its example.
[12:27] <zorglu1> omeow: offtopic, but why do you like utorrent ?
[12:27] <zorglu1> omeow: im a p2p dev and want to know what people want :)
[12:27] <|lostbyte|> zorglu1, You could be right, but could you name the advance feature of azeurus ?
[12:28] <|lostbyte|> any*
[12:28] <omeow> zorglu1: That's easy to answer.
[12:29] <zorglu1> lostbyte, well i wont enter in any war like that :) but it is a direct part of my full day job to know that :)
[12:29] <omeow> I like Torrent (which I switched to from azureus) because it was so much faster thatn azureus, it was more minimal, and provided the basic things I need in a torrent client.
[12:29] <zorglu1> http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ <- can provide info on azureus
[12:29] <omeow> - Like I said before, it's much much faster and smaller
[12:29] <zorglu1> omeow: faster as in 'using less CPU' or 'downloading faster' ?
[12:29] <omeow> In size
[12:29] <|lostbyte|> zorglu1, nice..
[12:30] <|lostbyte|> zorglu1, what part you work under ?
[12:30] <omeow> downloading speed is irrelevant
[12:30] <omeow> It was just smaller in size and faster as in using less CPU power.
[12:30] <omeow> - I can control the speed of individual torrents and the global speed
[12:31] <zorglu1> omeow: ok so you need 'basic feature and using resource in a reasonable manner, so you can forget it is running in background' :)
[12:31] <omeow> - I can select which files I want to download
[12:31] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  so sorrry
[12:31] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  was away a bit
[12:31] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  u were saying
[12:31] <|lostbyte|> arso_, ok ! your on ktorret ?
[12:31] <zorglu1> lostbyte, i do p2p , i dont work on azureus itself, but yes i do know the bt protocol :) and azureus is by far the most advanced of all implementation
[12:32] <omeow> also the slowest, don't forget to mention that. =P
[12:32] <|lostbyte|> ok !
[12:32] <omeow> At least, back when I was using that, startup time was long and it took long for transfers to start.
[12:33] <|lostbyte|> zorglu1, whats that feature called where u can do file selection ?
[12:33] <zorglu1> the 'allow to forget it is running in background' is real important :)
[12:33] <omeow> Torrent starts in a sec and transfers start quite fast too, I guess it mostly depends on the tracker though.
[12:33] <zorglu1> lostbyte ?
[12:34] <zorglu1> i dont understand the question
[12:34] <|lostbyte|> zorglu1, the chunks you want to download from a torrent and not the whole torrent itself.
[12:34] <RawSewage> KTorrent does that
[12:34] <RawSewage> it asks you which files you want to download
[12:34] <RawSewage> for example, if it's a torrrent with 10 shows
[12:34] <RawSewage> you click which ones you want to download
[12:34] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, yeha ! i know.. but whats that called ?
[12:34] <zorglu1> lostbyte yep you can choose the file you want to download within the torretn
[12:35] <zorglu1> oh the name of this particular feature
[12:35] <zorglu1> i dunno
[12:35] <|lostbyte|> yup !
[12:35] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  yes, on utorrent
[12:35] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  umm how do i dowload azureus
[12:35] <|lostbyte|> arso_, yoru having problem on linux right ?
[12:35] <RawSewage> what do I install so I can compile
[12:35] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  thru adeot?
[12:35] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  no linux is fine
[12:35] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, build-essential.
[12:36] <RawSewage> ty
[12:37] <|lostbyte|> arso_, your having a windows problem ?
[12:37] <omeow> |lostbyte|: I assume it's called file selection? :)
[12:37] <|lostbyte|> omeow, are you sure, cause thats what i call it..
[12:37] <|lostbyte|> :P
[12:37] <jc-denton> aarrrgh
[12:37] <omeow> Why would it be wrong?
[12:38] <jc-denton> i want a button now where i can click on it and then it hibernates
[12:38] <jc-denton> but i cannot find that
[12:38] <|lostbyte|> omeow, maybe your right..
[12:38] <|lostbyte|> tx
[12:38] <crooger> hi everyone :-)
[12:38] <arso_> bo
[12:39] <omeow> Yes, my right.
[12:39] <|lostbyte|> jc-denton, on your keyboard ?
[12:39] <crooger> anyone knowns how to install .kth file ? (theme?)
[12:41] <|lostbyte|> crooger, kcmshell kthememanager
[12:41] <|lostbyte|> in console, or run ^
[12:42] <jc-denton> |lostbyte|: it would be cool if i get a dialog when pressing the powerbutton (smiliar to the gnome dekstop)
[12:42] <jc-denton> but a button on the desktop would also be enoug
[12:42] <jc-denton> enough
[12:43] <crooger> thx |lostbyte|
[12:44] <sensei> jc-denton: Can't you just edit /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn ?
[12:45] <sensei> And followed by /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh
[12:45] <jc-denton> so that it hibernates when pressing the pwerbutton?
[12:45] <sensei> Yeah
[12:45] <RawSewage> whats that klipboard app called
[12:45] <zorglu1> oh i will look this one
[12:45] <jc-denton> humm
[12:45] <jc-denton> a dialog would be nice
[12:46] <zorglu1> my computer doesnt even shutdown when i press powerbutton, it just stop the alim :)
[12:46] <sensei> Get xdialog and hack the script ;)
[12:46] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, klipper
[12:46] <RawSewage> thx
[12:46] <|lostbyte|> sensei, loooks like hibernation / suspend is kernel dependent..
[12:46] <jc-denton> # Otherwise, if KDE is found, try to ask it to logout.
[12:46] <jc-denton> # If KDE is not found, just shutdown now.
[12:46] <jc-denton> ah
[12:46] <sensei> |lostbyte|: Of course it is
[12:47] <jc-denton> it does not find kde here
[12:47] <sensei> It is possible to do in userland though, with suspend2
[12:47] <jc-denton> otherwise it would display the logout dialog
[12:47] <jc-denton> humm
[12:47] <jc-denton> my (k)ubuntu is broken :(
[12:47] <|lostbyte|> sensei, thats what i told him..
[12:48] <sensei> jc-denton: Remove the checking altogether ;) Just assume it's there
[12:48] <sensei> But that's just for asking it to logout, you don't even want that when hibernating
[12:49] <|lostbyte|> brb 10mins
[12:49] <jc-denton> no i want the dialog first
[12:49] <jc-denton> probably i also want to do something else
[12:49] <sensei> jc-denton: Yeah, so get xdialog and add a line or two to the script
[12:49] <jc-denton> and it's annoying if you press it acientally
[12:49] <jc-denton> but it should work
[12:49] <jc-denton> i think i'll have to debug this
[12:50] <sensei> What's not working?
[12:51] <jc-denton> it does not recognize kde
[12:51] <sensei> It's not logging out you mean?
[12:54] <arso_> the funny thing is, my upload is going full speed !:S
[12:54] <Howitzer> Hi, i have a problem with the KDE network settings
[12:55] <arso_> doesnt this group therapy rock1
[12:55] <raziel_> hello
[12:55] <Howitzer> i can ONLY connect to the internet when using 'iwconfig ath0 key open -key-' then 'iwconfig ath0 essid -essid_name-' and then doing 'dhclient ath0'
[12:55] <Howitzer> that's the only way
[12:56] <Howitzer> as soon as i use DHCP in the KDE networking stuff, i recieve 'Network Unreachable' when pinging my gateway
[12:56] <raziel_> can someone help me to install quake 2?
[12:57] <Howitzer> raziel_: i think there is a Loki Installer for it
[12:58] <|lostbyte|> raziel_, works fine for me.. in wine..
[12:58] <RawSewage> After I build /   make a program, and it installs to usr/local
[12:58] <RawSewage> can I delete the original folder
[12:59] <war95> Anyone here do any benchmarking with SW RAID5 vs. chunk size in a performance analysis?
[12:59] <Howitzer> does the installer run with wine |lostbyte| ?
[12:59] <RawSewage> doh, I shouldve checked adept
[12:59] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, its best to keep the source and do make uninstall from it.
[12:59] <raziel_> i downloaded 2 packets with adept
[12:59] <RawSewage> ok thx
[12:59] <RawSewage> I bet it's in Adept
[12:59] <RawSewage> Im an idiot
[12:59] <raziel_> so I don't need them?
[12:59] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, yes.. but i installed quake3
[01:00] <Howitzer> try running the installer with Wine then
[01:00] <Howitzer> but can't noone help with my problem? :(
[01:00] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, i was talking about a program you installed from source..not sr.deb
[01:00] <|lostbyte|> src*
[01:00] <RawSewage> yep, there it is
[01:01] <RawSewage> I know
[01:01] <RawSewage> I guess I'll do make uninstall then
[01:01] <RawSewage> and reinstall with Adept
[01:01] <RawSewage> it's still building...
[01:01] <Howitzer> i thought of a possible solution but have no idea how to implement it... I made a bash script which does the iwconfig ath0 stuff and the dhclient ath0 stuff., I'd like to use that instead of the KDE networking tool
[01:02] <dna_> Howitzer: are you using wireless assistent or the network settings in system settings? I had strange problems with wireless assistent, not sure why it is included in kubuntu
[01:02] <|lostbyte|> sensei, suspend2 need to be compiled into the kernel..
[01:02] <Howitzer> dna_: network settings
[01:02] <Howitzer> is wireless assistant in kcontrol?
[01:03] <dna_> no, its the last item in k-menu->internet
[01:03] <Howitzer> hmm
[01:03] <Howitzer> i'm going to try it
[01:03] <Howitzer> maybe it works :)
[01:03] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, i dont think so..
[01:04] <jc-denton> humm the script works, sry
[01:04] <jc-denton> i did not read the command exactly
[01:04] <jc-denton> but why shall it logout immediately
[01:04] <Howitzer> but i find it weird that i can get everything with dhclient while the dhcp function in network settings doesn't work :/
[01:04] <jc-denton> and not first display a dialog as ubuntu-desktop does?
[01:04] <sensei> |lostbyte|: Yes?
[01:04] <|lostbyte|> jc-denton, it works ?
[01:05] <jc-denton> well if 'logout' == logout and shutdown
[01:05] <dna_> for me wireless assistent found my ap, I typed in my key but it did not connect to the ap properly and did not get a dhcp lease
[01:05] <sensei> jc-denton: And there's where xdialog comes into play :)
[01:05] <|lostbyte|> sensei, suspend2 need to be compiled into the kernel..
[01:05] <sensei> |lostbyte|: Yes?
[01:06] <raziel_>     /who freenode/staff/*
[01:06] <jc-denton> humm
[01:06] <dna_> Howitzer: tried rebooting after you typed in the correct key in network settings? Also check upper/lower case characters in essid
[01:06] <jc-denton> ok let me ask some more question
[01:06] <|lostbyte|> sensei, also... included since 2.5.18 in the main development kernel tree
[01:07] <jc-denton> is it possible to get a hibernate button in the logout dialog (where konqui sleeps)
[01:07] <|lostbyte|> jc-denton, ^^ for you also..
[01:07] <|lostbyte|> jc-denton, i fear its not supported..
[01:07] <sensei> |lostbyte|: Where are you getting? :)
[01:07] <jc-denton> and how can i open that dialog from the cli with dcop?
[01:07] <|lostbyte|> sensei, http://www.suspend2.net/HOWTO-2.html#ss2.3
[01:07] <jc-denton> not supported?
[01:07] <jc-denton> hibernate works under ubuntu
[01:07] <jc-denton> kubuntu just does not seem to have a gui integration
[01:08] <raziel_> nobody instaled quake 2 using the 2 packets into Adept?
[01:08] <sensei> |lostbyte|: What does this has to do with me?
[01:08] <sagara> yes
[01:08] <|lostbyte|> jc-denton, i dont know if the kernel is any diff for both, but the path shoud be included..
[01:09] <Howitzer> wlanassistant does it for me
[01:09] <Howitzer> just had to select shared key and non-ascii
[01:09] <|lostbyte|> patch*
[01:09] <Howitzer> will it do this every time i log in?
[01:09] <|lostbyte|> sensei, you were telling me that suspend2 is done on userland..
[01:09] <jc-denton> no the kernel is the same of course
[01:10] <sensei> |lostbyte|: No, I'm saying that what he wants can be done in userland
[01:11] <|lostbyte|> but not with suspend2..
[01:11] <sensei> Ffs.. yes
[01:11] <jc-denton> hibernate works here
[01:11] <jc-denton> all i want is a button for hibernate in the kde logout dialog
[01:11] <|lostbyte|> jc-denton, your on ubuntu ?
[01:11] <jc-denton> ubuntu with kubuntu desktop
[01:12] <sensei> Of course a thing like suspension requires kernel involvement! 06:46:57 < sensei> |lostbyte|: Of course it is
[01:12] <jc-denton> and a way to open the logout dialog from the shell
[01:12] <sensei> I was saying it can be done in userland, setting it up so that the powerbutton suspends
[01:13] <jc-denton> humm
[01:13] <|lostbyte|> jc-denton, ok ! right click > create new > link to application.
[01:14] <|lostbyte|> sensei, ok !
[01:14] <Howitzer> hmm
[01:14] <Sansana> hi
[01:15] <Howitzer> how do i make the settings used by wlanassistant the default settings?
[01:15] <Howitzer> oh nvm
[01:15] <Howitzer> hehe
[01:16] <Howitzer> am i damn glad my internet works
[01:16] <Sansana> me too:D
[01:16] <Howitzer> oh
[01:16] <Howitzer> was just about to ask if anyone could say something to check if it really worked -_-
[01:16] <Sansana> didn't want to work until I used iwconfig
[01:16] <Howitzer> with me too!
[01:17] <Sansana> hehe, you're connected to server so looks like it works :)
[01:17] <Sansana> there's someting wrong with wl assistant I think >_>
[01:17] <Howitzer> but Sansana, i discoverd i can solve it by simply using hexadecimal for the WEP key
[01:17] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, wlassistant ?
[01:17] <Howitzer> and wlanassistant worked fine for me when i used shared key and unchecked the ASCII box
[01:18] <Howitzer> of
[01:18] <Sansana> I just had to configure my wlan via wlconfig instead of wl assistant
[01:18] <Howitzer> wlanassisant wlassistant, all the same :D
[01:18] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, i think its a bug, i cant even specify a ascii key there..
[01:18] <Howitzer> but my wireless is called ath0 :/
[01:19] <Howitzer> hmm
[01:19] <Howitzer> i think it is bugged
[01:19] <Howitzer> started it up 6 times
[01:19] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, you can even set it in /etc/network/interface the way i do it..
[01:19] <Howitzer> yes but i have no idea how to work with that file
[01:19] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, man intrefaces
[01:19] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, man wireless
[01:20] <Howitzer> they have a man page for wireless?
[01:20] <Howitzer> fuck
[01:20] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, i usually dont trust gui for networking stuff..
[01:20] <Howitzer> and i discover that after a week
[01:20] <Estiquaaazi> why when i start ktorrent it crashes and give the error signal 6(SIGABRT)???
[01:20] <|lostbyte|> :)
[01:21] <Howitzer> i don't mind using a GUI, as long as i can check the configuration file
[01:21] <Sansana> |lostbyte| indeed, gui didn't want to make my net working and console did >.>
[01:21] <Howitzer> yeeeeeeeeeeeha
[01:21] <Howitzer> i'm thrilled now
[01:21] <|lostbyte|> :)
[01:22] <Howitzer> now i can finally install the nvidia drivers, tremulousand wesnoth
[01:22] <Howitzer> wooo
[01:22] <Sansana> :D
[01:22] <|lostbyte|> Estiquaaazi, run ktorrent --debug in console.
[01:22] <Howitzer> and i'm going to try konqueror as a webbrowser for a while
[01:22] <Howitzer> see if i like it
[01:22] <Sansana> Howitzer for nvidia drives i recommend easy ubuntu
[01:22] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, you will..
[01:23] <Sansana> I miss my opera ;_;
[01:23] <Howitzer> what amazes me is that they have greasemonkey for konqueror :D
[01:23] <Howitzer> Sansana: why don't you install it then?
[01:24] <Sansana> well I'm a deviant, I really do not like having 2 or more web browsers ;p
[01:24] <Howitzer> tyh
[01:24] <Howitzer> rofl
[01:24] <Howitzer> i kind of hate that too, but when it's necessary..
[01:24] <Howitzer> does anybody know of a good rm to mpeg converter btw?
[01:25] <Sansana> I don't
[01:25] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, really ! link me..
[01:25] <Howitzer> huh?
[01:25] <dueyfinster> Howitzer: Sorry I don't know one
[01:25] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, mencoder can do it with the right options..
[01:25] <sensei> Couldn't mencoder do that ?
[01:25] <sensei> Yeah
[01:25] <Howitzer> oh
[01:25] <Sansana> hm... is there anything like amip for konversation and xmms? ( the now playing: thingy)
[01:25] <Howitzer> isn't that included with mplayer?
[01:26] <sensei> Yeah
[01:26] <Howitzer> my dad has this 150 page long printed manual for MPlayer
[01:26] <Howitzer> really amazes me how much functions a movie player can possibly have xD
[01:27] <Sansana> I'm really impressed with Krita, the interface is so much similar to photoshop:D
[01:27] <sensei> See it as a 'movie suit' rather than a movie player :)
[01:27] <Howitzer> btw, is adept kubuntu's synaptic?
[01:28] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, you have to install it seperatly.
[01:28] <Howitzer> synaptic?
[01:28] <Howitzer> or mencoder?
[01:29] <Howitzer> or adept?
[01:31] <san|bbl> cya :)
[01:32] <Howitzer> wooow adept isn't good :(
[01:32] <Howitzer> it confuses by forcing me to look at 3 things at the same time
[01:33] <|lostbyte|> Howitzer, sudo apt-get install mencoder
[01:33] <Howitzer> okay
[01:33] <Howitzer> ty
[01:35] <|lostbyte|> ;)
[01:40] <steveire> Where can I get info on regex?
[01:40] <zorglu1> google :)
[01:41] <steveire> hmmn
[01:41] <steveire> Do you know if it's possible to match aa, but not aaa
[01:41] <zorglu1> it is possible :)
[01:42] <zorglu1> aa[^a] 
[01:42] <zorglu1> or something along this line
[01:43] <steveire> I've tried a few things. I'll just keep going at it.
[01:43] <Pupeno> Hello.
[01:43] <DocTomoe> I am in dire need for help with installing a finctional ndiswrapper in dapper. I installed ndiswrapper-*, and added the driver. I also did  a modprobe ndiswrapper - but I do not get an interface. Anyone in here ishing to give a helping hand?
[01:44] <vaka> no
[01:44] <|lostbyte|> DocTomoe, ndiswrapper -l
[01:44] <|lostbyte|> what does it say ?
[01:44] <Pupeno> It seems my ISP's DNS servers are crap, I've been having problems for days. I can download at >100MB/s once I get to connect, but I get many "Unknown host" errors. I was thinking about running a caching DNS in my own workstation. Would that help me ? if so, which dns server do you recommend (that is lightweight and easy to configure) ?
[01:45] <DocTomoe> |lostbyte|: bcmwl5a         driver present, hardware present
[01:45] <|lostbyte|> iwconfig
[01:45] <|lostbyte|> ?
[01:45] <|lostbyte|> DocTomoe, ^
[01:46] <DocTomoe> |lostbyte|: oh, the wlan interface seems to be called eth1 for some reason O_O
[01:46] <|lostbyte|> DocTomoe, then it works..
[01:47] <Howitzer> wtf
[01:47] <Howitzer> konqueror isn't fully supported by GMail? Oo
[01:47] <DocTomoe> |lostbyte|: what package is that new KDE network manager in?
[01:47] <Howitzer> i get this HTML crippled page
[01:47] <zorglu1> Howitzer: modify the config of konqueror to claim it is a firefox
[01:48] <|lostbyte|> huh .. kwifimanager
[01:48] <DocTomoe> |lostbyte|: i mean that other one which is new in dapper ...
[01:49] <DocTomoe> kwifimanager is pretty basic
[01:49] <|lostbyte|> DocTomoe, wlassistant ?
[01:49] <Howitzer> wooohoo
[01:49] <abattoir_> DocTomoe: the kernel brings w/ it a bcm43xx driver, that's why you get eth1
[01:50] <Howitzer> i can watch School Rumble
[01:50] <abattoir_> DocTomoe: but that doesnt work for me, i use ndiswrapper
[01:50] <abattoir_> DocTomoe: i disable that driver and then use ndiswrapper
[01:50] <abattoir_> DocTomoe: its a quick and dirty hack, but it works
[01:50] <DocTomoe> abattoir_: how do I disable that kernel driver?
[01:51] <SkrotFFS> aseigo: You've acctually got internet in Trysil? =)
[01:51] <aseigo> SkrotFFS: yep =)
[01:51] <|lostbyte|> DocTomoe, removing bcm43xx module
[01:52] <aseigo> SkrotFFS: it's the best country lodge i've stayed in yet
[01:52] <abattoir> DocTomoe: 'cd' to /lib/modules/<your kernel>/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
[01:52] <|lostbyte|> DocTomoe, put it in blacklist
[01:52] <SkrotFFS> aseigo: Yeah. Looks sweet on the pictures. :)
[01:53] <abattoir> DocTomoe: as root move the bcm43xx folder to /root
[01:53] <abattoir> DocTomoe: after that do a 'sudo depmod -a'
[01:55] <abattoir> DocTomoe: another thing i've had to do is add "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" and in the next line "auto wlan0" to /etc/network/interfaces
[01:55] <david_> is there anybody that could help me out with installing gaim? when i run the .package file says it cannot find 'GtkSpell Spell Checking Library' and fails
[01:56] <elden> download d latest gaim at their website and use alien
[01:56] <david_> okay, and is alien an application?
[01:56] <abattoir> DocTomoe: Restart your computer, if you setup ndiswrapper right, the module would have been loaded already
[01:57] <elden> umm no
[01:57] <elden> it converts rpms to deb
[01:57] <elden> that's what i usually do when i install gaim
[01:57] <gatekeeper> david_, why aren't you installing gaim from your pacakage manager?
[01:58] <BKaj> whaddya want gaim for ... got to windows if ya wanna chat on msn :)
[01:58] <david_> um... well i just downloaded the file that sounded right off the site. i'm kinda new to linux, so i'm learning :P
[01:58] <gatekeeper> david_, and yes you need to install alien from your package manager before you can use it
[01:59] <david_> okay, how can i do that?
[01:59] <elden> try sudo apt-get install alien
[01:59] <abattoir> david_: if you are running kubuntu, kopete must be installed already. It is also a multi-protocol messenger client...
[01:59] <Sansana> kopete <3
[01:59] <elden> he likes gaim more than kopete
[01:59] <gatekeeper> david_, apt-get install gaim much easier
[01:59] <abattoir> david_: unless ofcourse, you want *only* gaim :)
[02:00] <david_> well i've used gaim on windows before so that's my whole reasoning for wanting to use it here
[02:00] <david_> i'll try apt-get install gaim
[02:01] <gatekeeper> david_, it will be sudo apt-get install gaim
[02:01] <BKaj> I was just funnin' ya david_
[02:02] <david_> oh okay. and i know bkaj lol
[02:02] <decious> any one have issues mounting data dvd's greater than 4gig?
[02:02] <BKaj> I always think of gaim ppl the same as AOL users...the disneyland of the internet :)
[02:02] <david_> woohoo! it worked! thanks a lot guys, you rock :)
[02:02] <gatekeeper> BKaj, that sort of remark could be taken as hostile
[02:03] <gatekeeper> david_, :-)
[02:03] <BKaj> no hostile intent , just an opinion
[02:03] <BKaj> :)
[02:04] <gatekeeper> BKaj, appreciate that just be carefull of the perception :-)
[02:04] <BKaj> WHY?
[02:04] <cpk1> gaim is an irc client too
[02:04] <cpk1> among other things
[02:04] <BKaj> yeah iknow,Icouldn't get kopete topw ork for me , it was too arcane :)
[02:05] <BKaj> to work
[02:05] <david_> no hard feelings were taken here. good night guys, and thanks again for your help
[02:05] <BKaj> so I stuck with the old tried and trues like Konversation and xchat
[02:05] <gatekeeper> your welcome  :-)
[02:06] <zorglu1> i irc thru gaim
[02:07] <Sansana> konversation here, and I'm starting to like this program
[02:07] <BKaj> gaim or kopete?
[02:07] <decious> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1202068#post1202068
[02:07] <BKaj> yeah Sansana, i agree ...I like the interface and the easy  setup
[02:08] <Lynoure> irssi here :)
[02:08] <Sansana> But are here any colour themes? I mean something like black background and white letters? I dont want to change every colour manually
[02:09] <Lynoure> But I'm ancient
[02:10] <BKaj> no gaim just kopete in dapper and it just doesn't work for me on irc ...I'm not the dullest knife the drawer but I can't seem to get kopete to connect on irc. :)
[02:11] <BKaj> Lynoure: ancient ? what's that mean...yer old nick , or are you just OLD like me ?
[02:11] <C_REATiVE_> re
[02:12] <Philip5> BKaj: you can install gaim if you really want it
[02:12] <Sansana> BKaj you know, I have similar problem but... I like to use another program for irc, than the one I use for icq and jabber
[02:13] <BKaj> jabber still around ? wow I haven't seen anyone mention it for yrs
[02:13] <Sansana> :D
[02:14] <Sansana> jabber is fine
[02:14] <BKaj> what jabber client do you use ?
[02:14] <Sansana> right now kopete
[02:15] <BKaj> is it easier to use for jabber than irc ?
[02:16] <Gentix> is it possible to convert my reiserfs3 partition to a reiserfs4 one?
[02:16] <Gentix> and is it already supported by the latest kernel??
[02:16] <BKaj> are you running suse Gentix?
[02:16] <Sansana> BKaj hm... jabber is similar to ICQ, it's hard to say whats easier or harder
[02:16] <Gentix> would I be on this channel if I were?? ;)
[02:17] <Gentix> BKaj: no I'm using kubuntu dapper drake ;)
[02:17] <Philip6> BKaj: and there is no problem using kopete with irc either... just did... :)
[02:17] <BKaj> we get all kinds here , ppl who want to learn about kubuntu but are using differnt distros
[02:18] <Gentix> BKaj: k, but no I just use kubuntu
[02:18] <BKaj> Philip6: hehe, i must be missing something then cuz I can't get kopete to connect in irc
[02:18] <Howitzer> just use Konversation?
[02:19] <BKaj> yup, I do :)
[02:19] <BKaj> it works fer me as the saying goes
[02:20] <Philip5> BKaj: go into settings/configure add new protcoll - irc setup you nick and then go to connection...
[02:20] <humbert> hello all
[02:20] <Philip5> BKaj: select freenode, edit and make new: irc.freenode.net
[02:20] <os2mac> OK just installed LTS on my Inspiron 8600 it detected my wlan card but when I go enable it I get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or diretory....
[02:20] <humbert> how to list other channels ?
[02:21] <Philip5> BKaj: select that new server and press the "up key" so it's in top of the list
[02:21] <Philip5> done
[02:21] <humbert> new server that freenet ?
[02:21] <coachJ> need help big time
[02:22] <Lynoure> BKaj: This is my 15th year on irc... I'm 30, agewise
[02:22] <coachJ> i tried to change the way user login, now the screen is to big for the monitor, as you move the mouse off the screen the image shifts
[02:22] <coachJ> to a oart of the image that was offf screen
[02:23] <vaka> i don't want konqueror to open the files with a simple click... how can i change that?
[02:23] <Philip5> vaka: go into system settings and select mouse and change to dubble click
[02:24] <vaka> ty ;D
[02:24] <Philip5> np
[02:24] <coachJ> philip can you help me
[02:24] <Philip5> vaka: hade the same annoying feeling with it :)
[02:24] <BKaj> Lynoure: I'm old ...63 in a few weeks ...retired for 7 yrs been on IRC for all of them ...I got a pc when i retired and started to learn , then. I had used pc with application progs on the job but omly used the internet to email reports etc .
[02:25] <vaka> it's very annoying
[02:25] <os2mac> can anyone help with the Wlan thing?
[02:25] <Philip5> coachJ: not sure i got the problem right
[02:25] <vaka> bye and ty
[02:25] <coachJ> the desktop image is to big for the monitor
[02:26] <Sansana> os2mac I can maybe help
[02:26] <os2mac> OK just installed LTS on my Inspiron 8600 it detected my wlan card but when I go enable it I get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or diretory....
[02:26] <coachJ> so when you move the mouse the image moves
[02:26] <os2mac> I can see and configure it in iwconfig
[02:26] <os2mac> but it won't enable in ifconfig and it won't do dhclient.
[02:27] <Lynoure> BKaj: I gave my mother a debian box when she retired... She hadn't really used computers before that so she was a perfect guinea pig for that. I update it for her, though. :)
[02:27] <Philip5> coachJ: have you default settings of your desktop resulotion? or have you installed some drivers for ati or nvidia?
[02:27] <Sansana> hm... i didn't use if config when I was configuring my wireless network
[02:27] <Philip5> coachJ: sounds like virtual desktop or something
[02:27] <coachJ> all was great unti; i tried to change the way user login
[02:28] <os2mac> Sansana I am asking the same question in #ubuntu as well.... just wanted to let you know.
[02:28] <coachJ> even the login screen icon is huge
[02:29] <BKaj> cool thing to do for your mom , Lynoure :)
[02:29] <Sansana> os2mac, ok :)
[02:30] <Sansana> os2mac and does network setting detect your card?
[02:30] <os2mac> network setting?
[02:30] <Sansana> system settings -> network settings
[02:30] <os2mac> yes... but shows it as disabled
[02:31] <Sansana> hm..
[02:31] <themouse> hi all, I downloaded the sources of freetype, edited the config file to enable the bytecode interpreter, ./configure, make, make install, but there don't seem to have any change, why is that?
[02:31] <Sansana> and what do you get when you activate it?
[02:31] <themouse> better rending of fonts
[02:32] <os2mac> it says enabling interface, highlights the disable interface button, disables the enable interface button and doesn't change the state of the nic.
[02:33] <DocTomoe> I am still having problems getting ndiswrapper to work with my kubuntu dapper fresh-from-start-install. I managed to get the non-working bcm-kernel-drivers out of memory, however, ndiswrapper doesn't seem to work either. Any helpful ideas?
[02:33] <gatekeeper> themouse, seem to be doing a lot of compiling from source?
[02:33] <Sansana> os2mac hm... that's weird, I think I can't help you :( sorry
[02:33] <chrisdarby> hey, just installed Kubuntu and i'm a bit of a linux n00b, can anyone help me install the correct drivers for my graphics card?
[02:34] <zorglu1> chrisdarby: lets try
[02:34] <themouse> I had only to change one line in config file and compile it
[02:34] <themouse> http://avi.alkalay.net/linux/docs/font-howto/kde.png
[02:34] <zorglu1> chrisdarby: what is your gfx card ?
[02:34] <gatekeeper> chrisdarby, did it not autodetect correctly?
[02:34] <chrisdarby> zorglu1: ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
[02:34] <themouse> here's how it will look after the change
[02:35] <chrisdarby> gatekeeper: No, the resolution is very low and the system settings pannel won't let me change it
[02:35] <zorglu1> chrisdarby: first stage, google 'xorg 9700 ati pro'
[02:35] <chrisdarby> Kubuntu has recognised it merely as "ati"
[02:36] <zorglu1> chrisdarby: first link is exactly what you want :)
[02:36] <chrisdarby> zorglu1: Thanks :) made my day :)
[02:37] <mateusz> hi
[02:39] <Sansana> hi mateusz
[02:39] <gatekeeper> zorglu1, ati doesn't seem to be very linux friendly
[02:40] <zorglu1> gatekeeper: heard some rumours about this. i dunno
[02:41] <gatekeeper> zorglu1, good percentage that come in here with troubles seem to use ati hmmm
[02:41] <Sansana> zorglu1 maybe this could help you http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/overview.html
[02:41] <zorglu1> Sansana: me ?
[02:41] <Lynoure> some ati cards are, others not
[02:42] <zorglu1> Sansana: why me ?
[02:42] <Sansana> yes, there's option to install good ati drivers
[02:42] <zorglu1> Sansana: ah ok, i was the one answering this question, not asking it :)
[02:42] <Sansana> aa
[02:42] <Sansana> lol
[02:42] <Sansana> sorry
[02:42] <Lynoure> X600 has so far been all good and open source to me :) But I literally spend a month looking for the perfect laptop
[02:42] <zorglu1> no problem :)
[02:45] <coachJ> phi;ip U still there
[02:46] <coachJ> Philip--fixed it the monitor settins were lost when I attempted to change the way users login.
[02:48] <jaro> I need help configuring my LCD-Monitor
[02:48] <Philip5> coachJ: aha, good
[02:48] <Philip5> coachJ: that you could fix it i mean... :)
[02:49] <coachJ> yeah but sounds like a bug
[02:49] <jaro> I dont know what monitor I have got
[02:50] <Philip5> jaro: doesn't you have a name somewhere on it?
[02:52] <jaro> well as far as I know.. I have got an Acer Aspire 1350 Laptop and and an 15'' LCD screen
[02:52] <jaro> I also have a Philips 107E Monitor next to it, and plugged in
[02:53] <jaro> but I can only run one of them at a time.. and I cant autodetect the LCD-Screen, because the screen goes black then
[02:53] <jaro> and the other monitor will only be detected when it is plugged in at reboot time
[02:55] <jaro> maybe you can help me googleing it out
[02:58] <Philip5> jaro: what happens if you use generic settings for your resolution?
[02:58] <jaro> hm it works.. but I still get errors when switching for console ...
[02:58] <jaro> the screens turns black then
[02:58] <jaro> it switches off.. kinda
[02:59] <jaro> and it wont get back until another reboot
[02:59] <jaro> and I dont know how to add this additional monitor
[02:59] <jaro> i thought I would need to have the LCD configured
[02:59] <jaro> when I try to autodetect the screen, it goes off
[03:00] <Philip5> jaro: not sure of other drivers but i use nvidia and there i can setup and force different settings to different cards or displays
[03:00] <jaro> hm I have a S3 Via Unichrome Graphic card :(
[03:00] <jaro> which sucks
[03:00] <jaro> so I use via driver
[03:00] <jaro> which finally has 3D Support
[03:01] <jaro> but that nasty habit of turning that screen black, but that doesnt happen with the Philips Monitor
[03:02] <humbert> why bitorrent is not free anymore ?
[03:02] <arso_> hey guys
[03:02] <arso_> i installed azureus
[03:02] <humbert> on bitorrent.com i must login
[03:02] <arso_> since it tests nat and shit
[03:02] <humbert> ?????
[03:02] <arso_> when testing tcp listening port
[03:02] <arso_> i get NAT error
[03:03] <__osh__> humbert: bittorrent is a protocol, its
[03:03] <Philip5> humbert: bittorrent as a protocol and it's still free... and you refer to a site
[03:03] <__osh__> humbert: still free. but bittorrent.com has some idea to sell vids. hence the login. if i'm not misstaken.
[03:03] <arso_> guys,my problem please
[03:04] <Philip5> arso_: that's because you are behind a router or something
[03:04] <__osh__> arso_: what specifically is your problem then? nat error?
[03:04] <arso_> yes
[03:04] <arso_> i am behinda router
[03:04] <arso_> and i configured it
[03:05] <humbert> somebody french there ?
[03:05] <arso_> port by pass thing
[03:05] <humbert> using free.fr?
[03:05] <arso_> with the port iam using on azureus
[03:05] <Philip5> arso_: then you need port forward or a trigger for the port
[03:05] <humbert> problems with freebox v5
[03:05] <arso_> Philip5:  how do i do that
[03:06] <Philip5> arso_: depends on which router you have... check it's docs
[03:06] <arso_> siemens speedstream 6520
[03:06] <arso_> err? check for wat
[03:06] <Philip5> check for port forward or port triggers
[03:07] <arso_> k
[03:08] <arso_> wats      a port trigger
[03:10] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Hey Guys
[03:10] <arso_> hey
[03:10] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> How would I use a XML feed for a podcast?
[03:11] <m_tadeu> hi there
[03:11] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> like the ones at ubuntuos.com?
[03:11] <m_tadeu> which program do you recomend to control the forewall?
[03:11] <abattoir> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: you can feed the url to amarok
[03:12] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> ok
[03:12] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> thanks fo the help
[03:12] <abattoir> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: amarok->Left Playlists Tab->Add->Podcast
[03:13] <r0xz> arso: http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Bell/Speedstream6520/Azureus.htm
[03:14] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Did any of you use Shipit?
[03:14] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> to get CDs?
[03:14] <Howitzer> yes
[03:15] <Howitzer> i wouldn't recommend them actually
[03:15] <coachJ> why
[03:15] <coachJ> howitzer--why?
[03:16] <marcreichelt> hiho
[03:16] <marcreichelt> does anybody here have Kubuntu 5.10?
[03:16] <BKaj> r0xz: i use a speedstream 6300 which is much the same
[03:17] <marcreichelt> oh
[03:17] <marcreichelt> brb
[03:17] <abattoir> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: yes! I got 10 and didnt have even one after 2 days! :)
[03:17] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> cool
[03:18] <abattoir> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: the idea of a live CD and an installer intrigues people from the 'windows world' ;)
[03:18] <abattoir> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: in a single CD, i mean.
[03:18] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Ya I know
[03:18] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> lots of my friends loved it
[03:19] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> They could try it then install it right there!!!!
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> The live cd is not fast enough to use for anything useful for me (AMD 2600, 1gb ram) the xubuntu one is though
[03:20] <arso_> hey guys
[03:20] <arso_> i am running azureues n all
[03:20] <Howitzer> h3sp4wn: it isn't for anyone, the cd reading speed is the biggest bottleneck
[03:20] <arso_> but its not there
[03:20] <arso_> in k menu
[03:20] <arso_> i have to go to command and write azureues to open it  wtf
[03:21] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> ok I got a problem with the podcasts
[03:21] <BKaj> yeah abattoir, I was gonna install from live cd but my partitions were iffy so by the time Ihad them set up properly the dvd was DL'd and ready to burn so I installed rom that , NP
[03:22] <fek> hi
[03:22] <BKaj> from
[03:22] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> When I click to play one it says "Access denied for the URL:" then gives the URL
[03:22] <fek> is it safe to do a dist-upgrade from breezy to dapper?
[03:22] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> how can I fix it?
[03:22] <fek> i had made just a backup for worst case ;)
[03:22] <abattoir> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: what is the url?
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> Howitzer: I don't understand why with a gb of ram it cannot just load the cd into a ramdisk
[03:22] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> http://www.ubuntuos.com/podcast/feed.xml
[03:22] <sensei> fek: I've heard both success- and failure stories
[03:22] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> not that
[03:23] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> sorry
[03:23] <fek> sensei: ok, so let's try
[03:23] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> http://ubuntuos.com/podcast/media_mp3/ep7-070206-ubuntuos.mp3
[03:23] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> that is it
[03:23] <sensei> fek: Yeah, with a backup at hand, there's not much to lose, is it :)
[03:23] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I am using amaroK
[03:23] <sensei> Except time
[03:23] <fek> sensei: yep
[03:24] <arso_> any azureus people here
[03:24] <Philip5> arso_: how did you install it?
[03:24] <arso_> i went to open torrent, filled all details but OK is still greyed out
[03:24] <marcreichelt> does anybody here have Kubuntu 5.10 yet?
[03:24] <fek> let's rock
[03:24] <fek> sensei: i report how it worked
[03:24] <BKaj> yet ?
[03:24] <arso_> Philip5:  thru adept,its not appearing on K menu, accessed thro commands
[03:25] <arso_> Philip5:  anyways, i am openinga torrent, filled alldetails. but OK is greyed out
[03:25] <marcreichelt> because I need to now how to configure Konqueror to show the content of zip-, tar.gz- and tar-bz2 files instead of opening them with Ark
[03:25] <BKaj> marcreichelt: the latest is 6.06
[03:25] <marcreichelt> I know
[03:25] <marcreichelt> I have that one
[03:25] <Philip5> aha, i installed it manually so i setup my icons manually too
[03:25] <abattoir> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: I think the 'Add Playlist' option is for the .xml feed
[03:25] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I did
[03:26] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I added that it comes up with a list of episodes so I click one and I get that error
[03:26] <decious> anyone know how to enable the feature when you double click on the title bar of a window it will make only the title bar visable?
[03:26] <marcreichelt> BKaj: that's why I'm asking
[03:27] <arso_> Philip5:  .........>?
[03:27] <marcreichelt> in 5.10 konqueror opened nearly all (apart from rar) files in its main window
[03:27] <abattoir> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: the latest one works for me,ep7.......
[03:27] <marcreichelt> 6.06 opens them with Ark by default
[03:27] <marcreichelt> and I do not like that
[03:27] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> It won't for me
[03:28] <Philip5> arso_: not sure what you refer to. the ok in the setup wizard?
[03:28] <abattoir> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: what is the exact error?
[03:28] <BKaj> sorry marcreichelt, I haven't been able to figure out how to install from tar.gz files myself ...extract NP, but install has me beat
[03:28] <arso_> Philip5:  nono, already isntalled and running, when adding a new torrnt to download
[03:28] <marcreichelt> anyone here with Kubuntu 5.10?
[03:29] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> this is whatit says
[03:29] <Hobbsee> marcreichelt: some people, yeah, what's the issue?
[03:29] <Philip5> arso_: select your torrent by add files and then set the location where to save it and then hit ok
[03:29] <m_tadeu> why does my kicker losing all settings each time I log in?
[03:29] <marcreichelt> I just want to know how your configuration looks like:
[03:30] <marcreichelt> Konqueror -> Preferences -> file extensions -> application/x-zip
[03:30] <marcreichelt> (I know that the english names are wrong, but I'm using the German KDE version)
[03:30] <BKaj> wb david__
[03:31] <abattoir> marcreichelt: i think in the 'Embedding' tab you should enable 'Show file in embedded viewer'
[03:31] <arso_> Philip5:  i do all that, but OK is greyed out
[03:31] <abattoir> marcreichelt: or whatever you have in german ;)
[03:32] <david__> thanks bkaj. i have one quick question. i wanted to check what file system my hard drive is using. is there a terminal command for that?
[03:32] <marcreichelt> yes
[03:32] <marcreichelt> I did
[03:32] <Philip5> arso_: if so it's really strange as that is how you do it
[03:32] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> this is what it says http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17002
[03:32] <marcreichelt> but Konqueror does still show the "Open file with" dialog
[03:32] <arso_> ok i made it work
[03:32] <arso_> just restarted the prog and it worked
[03:32] <arso_> btw when its in tray the icon is white, no icon
[03:32] <arso_> and its not in kmenu, how do i make it go to kmenu > internet
[03:34] <Philip5> arso_: right click on the "K" for the start menu and select menu editor
[03:34] <Philip5> arso_: and then add it manually
[03:34] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> abattoir, do you think you can help me?
[03:34] <arso_> Philip5:  how do i find it
[03:35] <abattoir> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: what about the other episodes? same error?
[03:35] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Yup same thing
[03:35] <marcreichelt> abattoir: do you have 5.10?
[03:35] <Philip5> arso_: in a shell type: whereis azureus
[03:36] <abattoir> marcreichelt: no 6.06 , but zip:/ ioslave works for me
[03:36] <marcreichelt> yes
[03:36] <marcreichelt> for me too
[03:36] <david__> when people say "sudo fdisk -l" is that a lower case L, a !, or a |?
[03:36] <marcreichelt> but I want konqueror automatically to open ZIP-files with zip:/ as protocol
[03:37] <sensei> david__: L
[03:37] <david__> okay, thank you
[03:37] <sensei> np
[03:37] <abattoir> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: For me amarok seems to play ogg files, not mp3s
[03:38] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I have tried the ogg files and I get the same error
[03:38] <marcreichelt> abattoir: do you have enabled the multiverse repository?
[03:38] <sensei> Quicke, anyone know if it's possible to set it up so that one can click URLs in konsole, and have them opened in konqueror?
[03:38] <sensei> It's a kind of bad subject to google for actually
[03:38] <marcreichelt> and do you have installed libxine_extracodecs?
[03:39] <BKaj> what is zip:/ ioslave, abattoir ?
[03:40] <marcreichelt> BKaj: do you have a zip file?
[03:40] <BKaj> not in dapper
[03:40] <BKaj> i have a tar.gz
[03:40] <marcreichelt> ok
[03:40] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Are there any other programs I can use for podcasts, other then amaroK?
[03:40] <marcreichelt> mom
[03:40] <marcreichelt> that's nearly the same
[03:41] <sensei> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: xmms
[03:41] <|lostbyte|> sensei, nope ! but there is another way..
[03:41] <sensei> I think (assuming a 'podcast' is the same as a plain old webcast
[03:41] <imachine_> hi
[03:41] <BKaj> yeah , it's the linux equivalent of zip, but I can never find the install file :(
[03:42] <imachine_> i got some questions... why does my wifi card come up as wlan0 and wifi0 ?
[03:42] <imachine_> two interfaces in one?
[03:42] <abattoir_> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: i still dont know how from the same feed you get mp3, and i, ogg...
[03:42] <sensei> Where's the feed, abattoir_, LiNuX_LoVeR_17 ?
[03:42] <imachine_> plus there is some errors in dmesg about wifi0
[03:42] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> no there are 2 feeds one OGG and the other MP3
[03:42] <imachine_> any suggestions?
[03:42] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> both don't work and give me the same error
[03:43] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> here is the ogg one
[03:43] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> http://www.ubuntuos.com/podcast/feed.xml
[03:43] <marcreichelt> BKaj: if you have /home/<username>/example.tar.gz, type in tar:/home/<username>/example.tar.gz in konqueror
[03:43] <BKaj> i have yet to figure out how to handle tar.gz files so  I can get them to install and work for me :(
[03:43] <abattoir_> [Sun Jul 2 2006]  [18:52:36]  <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> http://www.ubuntuos.com/podcast/feed.xml
[03:43] <|lostbyte|> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, could you paste the podcast link ?
[03:43] <sensei> ta
[03:43] <abattoir_> BKaj: you can extract them w/ ark...
[03:44] <abattoir_> BKaj: or 'tar -xzf <name_of_file>'
[03:44] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I did paste it
[03:44] <Howitzer> how do i set firefox to open middleclicked urls in a tab in the background?
[03:44] <abattoir_> |lostbyte|:http://www.ubuntuos.com/podcast/feed.xml
[03:44] <marcreichelt> anyone here who knows how to configure Konqueror to open ZIP files with zip:/ kioslave?
[03:44] <sensei> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: You could just manually parse the xml file and use whatever of the streams in it
[03:44] <marcreichelt> and tar.gz and tar.bz2 ones with tar:/ ?
[03:45] <imachine_> anyone?
[03:45] <|lostbyte|> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, and mp3 one ?
[03:45] <sensei> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: Like directly open http://ubuntuos.com/podcast/media/ep3-052106-ubuntuos.ogg
[03:45] <imachine_> this is really annoying i want to set this box up and kubuntu is fucking around with me
[03:45] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> ok
[03:45] <imachine_> what the hell is this with two interfaces on one piece of hardware
[03:45] <imachine_> is that normal even
[03:45] <sensei> imachine_: This channel has a language policy
[03:46] <imachine_> sensei, sorry about that
[03:46] <imachine_> sensei, i got carried away.
[03:46] <sensei> Np, I don't mind, and it's not my policy :)
[03:46] <imachine_> dont mean to offend anyone with my blasphemy, im just sort of depressed about this box not working right out-of-the-box
[03:46] <Riddell> imachine_: is this wifi?
[03:47] <imachine_> Riddell, yes
[03:47] <imachine_> but i dont know man, i get wlan0 and wifi0
[03:47] <BKaj> abattoir, I know how to extract the files , but the installing is what has me confused
[03:47] <Riddell> imachine_: yeah, wifi drivers in linux are often like that, it's a real pain
[03:47] <imachine_> in ifconfig -a plus there is wifi0 errors in dmesg
[03:47] <abattoir_> BKaj: which package is this?
[03:47] <imachine_> Riddell, bleh; it worked fine in 5.05
[03:47] <sensei> Most people are bothered with too few wlan interfaces :)
[03:47] <imachine_> Riddell, just came up as eth1 and it was alright ;)
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> BKaj: there is usually a file called README or INSTALL
[03:47] <Riddell> imachine_: yes, they also change lots randomly
[03:47] <abattoir_> BKaj: generally, you'd have to run './configure' and then 'make' and then 'sudo make install'
[03:47] <imachine_> well change, i am for, but change for the better.
[03:48] <imachine_> and a previously tested change.
[03:48] <imachine_> not some random hoop jumping.
[03:48] <imachine_> bleh :p
[03:48] <imachine_> i like ubuntu and all but it seems this 6.06 release was a bit rushed.
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: That is right its so you can handle virtual interfaces properly
[03:48] <BKaj> I don't have one right now abattoir, Ive been avoiding them since I don't have any luck with those files
[03:48] <marcreichelt> imachine_: it's a LTS version ;)
[03:48] <Riddell> imachine_: not at all, we took an extra two months for it
[03:48] <imachine_> marcreichelt, what does that mean? ;)
[03:49] <Riddell> imachine_: however try each interface and one of them should work from user space properly
[03:49] <abattoir_> BKaj: what are you trying to install?
[03:49] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, aha.
[03:49] <imachine_> well.
[03:49] <BKaj> nothing right now
[03:49] <imachine_> Riddell, so how would i config it?
[03:49] <imachine_> im not familiar with linux's ifconfig.
[03:49] <imachine_> there;s nothing in --help about ssids and wep keys.
[03:50] <sensei> wlassistant is a good tool
[03:50] <imachine_> sensei, it doesnt work ;)
[03:50] <BKaj> I avoid tar.gz files if I come across them ...I try to find the bin file instead
[03:50] <imachine_> doesnt show any network ;)
[03:50] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: I would recommend wpa_supplicant for anything to do with wireless
[03:50] <abattoir_> BKaj: oh ok, but to compile applications manually from .tar.gz... you must have certain packages installed
[03:50] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, i dont do wpa; i do wep.
[03:50] <abattoir_> BKaj: the buildessential meta package would install them...
[03:50] <arso_> whenver i open wine from command, it shows "wine windows emulator" loading, then when its done, it disappear
[03:50] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, this is a 11b card on a 16bit pcmcia slot, i wouldnt get much transfers with wpa ;)
[03:50] <BKaj> ahhh abattoir, I thought it was something like that :)
[03:51] <imachine_> unless for tkip well, maybe some other day. i dont think the card supports wpa anyway ;p
[03:51] <arso_> doesnt wine have a user interface or anything
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: Wep is a waste of time in terms of security but you can do wep with wpa_supplicant also (and its debugging abilities from wap_cli are good)
[03:51] <abattoir_> BKaj: after that, you should be able to install most applications simply w/ './configure' , 'make' and 'sudo make install'
[03:51] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, i am aware of that.
[03:52] <arso_> i downloaded the "binary emulator and library"
[03:52] <BKaj> right abattoir, can I find the buildessential meta package in synaptic or adept ?
[03:52] <imachine_> wep + mac address 'security' on the ap + radius.
[03:52] <imachine_> is what im aiming for.
[03:52] <imachine_> but anyway! this is not the issue here ;)
[03:52] <arso_> hello, anyon please help me with wine
[03:53] <abattoir_> Bkaj: yes, its actually build-essential, its in adept
[03:53] <|lostbyte|> arso_, you dont have too
[03:53] <|lostbyte|> arso_, simple add this..
[03:53] <|lostbyte|> arso_, deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[03:54] <|lostbyte|> arso_, to your sources.list
[03:54] <arso_> resources list?
[03:54] <|lostbyte|> ArmedGeek, and sudo apt-get update
[03:54] <|lostbyte|> arso_, ^^
[03:54] <imachine_> this laptop is so crappy. what a waste of desk space.
[03:55] <imachine_> oh great. mouse is b0rked.
[03:55] <imachine_> blaaah. ;] 
[03:55] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  sorry could u explain a bit more :P
[03:55] <imachine_> could someone tell me then how would i go on about setting wep key and ssid and channel on a particular interface ?
[03:55] <|lostbyte|> arso_, sudo kate /etc/apt/wources.list
[03:56] <|lostbyte|> arso_, add this [03:56] <|lostbyte|> arso_, to the bottom of that file and save.
[03:56] <|lostbyte|> arso_,  sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:56] <gnomefreak> sources.list
[03:56] <sensei>  imachine_ Something like /sbin/iwconfig ath0 mode managed channel NN key open YOURKEY essid YOURAP
[03:56] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  k
[03:57] <imachine_> ahaaa iwconfig
[03:57] <imachine_> okey thanks :)
[03:57] <|lostbyte|> :P
[03:57] <sensei> imachine_: followed by /sbin/iwconfig ath0 ap youraccesspointsMACaddress
[03:57] <imachine_> i come from *bsd, we use ifconfig for wireless ifaces as well.
[03:57] <imachine_> thanks ;] 
[03:57] <sensei> Ah ok :)
[03:58] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  should we add a blank line after it?
[03:58] <|lostbyte|> arso_, yes
[03:58] <arso_> so wat does that do t o wine?
[03:58] <arso_> the whole line we added
[03:59] <marcreichelt> does anybody have Kubuntu 5.10 and is able to open ZIP files in Konqueror simply by left click on the ZIP file?
[03:59] <|lostbyte|> arso_, i am simply adding it to your repos. so you dont have to download anything manauly..
[03:59] <imachine_> sensei, hgnnmm
[03:59] <imachine_> sensei, SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
[03:59] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  i downloaded it thru adept, but it still doesnt open ..
[03:59] <imachine_> sensei, how do i pass the wep key
[03:59] <imachine_> sensei, 0xXXXXXXX
[03:59] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  i donno wat to do now
[03:59] <|lostbyte|> arso_, downloaded what ?
[04:00] <imachine_> sensei, its not ascii
[04:00] <sensei> It does hex as well
[04:00] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  wine?
[04:00] <imachine_> sensei, yeah, so do i add 0xMYHEXKEY
[04:00] <imachine_> or just MYHEXKEY
[04:00] <imachine_> (before you ask why dont you try,i did, none work:P)
[04:00] <sensei> MYHEXKEY
[04:00] <|lostbyte|> arso_, so you already have the repo.. darn.. i tought you didt..
[04:00] <imachine_> i get invalid arguments
[04:01] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  sorry, wats repo
[04:01] <Emess> stupid piece of crap dapper...wont play sound OR let me run automatix OR login as root
[04:01] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  and i am not sure if i downloaded the right one
[04:01] <marcreichelt> :-(
[04:01] <Tommy2k4> you dont login as root with ubuntu
[04:01] <|lostbyte|> arso_, repository, the sources.list thing.
[04:01] <Emess> Tommy: i know that but i needed to to run daper
[04:01] <Emess> *automatix
[04:01] <imachine_> sensei, any suggestions?
[04:01] <ninHer> sure....apt-get/sources list
[04:01] <Emess> wait i think i know how to do it anyway
[04:01] <sensei> imachine_: Not really, no :/
[04:01] <imachine_> sensei, i cant set the wep key
[04:01] <imachine_> maybe i need to load some wep module
[04:02] <Emess> hehehe so you CAN logon to root in ubuntu :D
[04:02] <Emess> do a tui login then startx :P
[04:02] <|lostbyte|> arso_, type winecfg
[04:02] <eric_> hi all...I have a question about kate in Kubuntu...
[04:02] <ninHer> yes, it is possible to get root
[04:02] <imachine_> sensei, i loaded wlan_ewp
[04:02] <imachine_> wep that is, but no luck ;/
[04:02] <eric_> how can I stop kate from opening .deb and .bin files from konqueror...?
[04:03] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  ok   i am in
[04:03] <sensei> imachine_: I suck at wireless stuff, hardly ever use it myself :/
[04:03] <imachine_> yeah ok
[04:03] <|lostbyte|> eric_, configure _ konqueror > file association.
[04:03] <ninHer> wireless is fun and easy to set
[04:03] <|lostbyte|> eric_, under tools.
[04:03] <|lostbyte|> arso_, then it woeks..
[04:03] <imachine_> ninHer, how do i set mine under 6
[04:03] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  so do u know how to use it?
[04:04] <ninHer> under 6 ?
[04:04] <|lostbyte|> arso_, do you have a windows program ?
[04:04] <imachine_> ninHer, 6.06
[04:04] <ninHer> ok
[04:04] <imachine_> ninHer, kubuntu
[04:04] <imachine_> ubuntu, whatever.
[04:04] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  gbs of them
[04:04] <h3sp4wn> ninHer: I wonder if you can help me I need to setup WDS and WPA2 between 2 machines running madwifi-ng and hostapd (You know alot about wireless right ?)
[04:04] <ninHer> imachine_:  read iwconfig manual
[04:04] <imachine_> ninHer, it doesnt work man.
[04:04] <ninHer> imachine_:  man iwconfig
[04:04] <imachine_> ninHer, i read it all.
[04:05] <|lostbyte|> arso_, try wine program.exe and cross your fingers.
[04:05] <ninHer> so, look up the modules
[04:05] <Mason59> Hi all...may I ask a question?
[04:05] <ninHer> the chipset of eth0
[04:05] <Hawkwind> Mason59: Just ask
[04:05] <|lostbyte|> Mason59, No you cant..
[04:05] <Mason59> Thanks
[04:05] <Mason59> DOH!!!
[04:05] <|lostbyte|> j/k
[04:05] <Mason59> :)
[04:05] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  btw when do i type commands in terminal and when in that "run command"
[04:05] <imachine_> ninHer, i have some wlan0 and wifi0
[04:05] <imachine_> ninHer, no eth
[04:06] <Mason59> Is anyone having trouble with Konqueror hanging on opening?
[04:06] <ninHer> open a console a do iwconfig.......tell me what
[04:06] <imachine_> ninHer, eh.
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> wifi0 will be unspec'ed
[04:06] <imachine_> ninHer, lo and eth0 ofcourse have no wifi extensions,
[04:06] <imachine_> ninHer, then wlan0 and wifi0 have no ap and the key seems set.
[04:07] <imachine_> but it wont associate with my ap
[04:07] <ninHer> then some kind of problem with the drivers is likely
[04:07] <imachine_> ninHer, well DUH
[04:07] <sensei> heh
[04:07] <imachine_> ninHer, that was very helpful man.
[04:07] <imachine_> thanks.
[04:07] <Mason59> Sometimes (not all the time), I open Konqueror and it hangs loading images...inconsistent...sometimes loads 19 or 25 images...sometimes more...sometimes less
[04:07] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\Gunbound_GIS_WC_518.exe": Module not found, is that wat u get when a prog dont work
[04:07] <ninHer> try modprobe in a console
[04:07] <imachine_> ah no need to be pissed, well you tried mate, thanks anyway.
[04:08] <|lostbyte|> arso_, you tell me..
[04:08] <sensei> imachine_: What does iwconfig wlan0 essid nameofyourap  say?
[04:08] <Mason59> I disabled IPv6 in aliases
[04:08] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  ??
[04:08] <imachine_> sensei, nothing :)
[04:08] <imachine_> sensei, i set the essid
[04:08] <|lostbyte|> arso_, try another program..
[04:08] <|lostbyte|> arso_, go to winehq.com
[04:08] <arso_> ok
[04:08] <sensei> imachine_: iwconfig wlan0 ap MACofAP ?
[04:09] <Mason59> So I close Konqueror, and kill the kio slaves for it and sometimes it will load when I restart it.  Very odd
[04:09] <|lostbyte|> arso_, there is a list of programs that work..
[04:09] <imachine_> hmm hang on.
[04:09] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  ONLY the stuff there works?
[04:09] <sensei> Only those are guaranteed to work
[04:10] <|lostbyte|> arso_, there are the stuff that people tried and were successfull. but its not complete in its self.
[04:10] <Emess> another reason iam hating dapper: i cant get any sound going, and all my dvd and audio codecs are gone :(
[04:10] <Emess> and automatix doesnt work so i cant get them back
[04:10] <Emess> brb
[04:10] <arso_> i see
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> Emess: Try easyubuntu
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> !easyubuntu
[04:10] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[04:10] <imachine_> sensei, if i do that, it still says AP: None in iwconfig
[04:11] <sensei> imachine_: Weird.. but you know what.. There's probably some error with your driver ;)
[04:11] <Mason59> Also have sound problems in some apps, most notably xgalaga
[04:11] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: What make of card is it you are using ? chipset ?
[04:11] <imachine_> orinoco_cs
[04:11] <|lostbyte|> imachine_, ndiswrapper -l ?
[04:12] <|lostbyte|> oh..
[04:12] <ninHer> everything smelling windows.....crap
[04:12] <imachine_> |lostbyte|, how can i install ndiswrapper, if i have no network? :)
[04:12] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: do lsmod if it says anything about hostap then I know what needs to be done
[04:12] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, it does, tell me then!
[04:12] <|lostbyte|> imachine_, no ! i thought you were using it.
[04:12] <|lostbyte|> imachine_, does the light on you wifi come on ?
[04:12] <imachine_> hostap_cs, hostap.
[04:12] <Mason59> Anyone else with Konqueror problems?
[04:12] <imachine_> |lostbyte|, it doesnt have a light.
[04:12] <|lostbyte|> k
[04:13] <|lostbyte|> imachine_, you see it in iwconfig right ?
[04:13] <imachine_> yes
[04:13] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, tell me please what should be done then, it does list hostap.
[04:13] <|lostbyte|> imachine_, do you have a ap in your local ?
[04:13] <imachine_> |lostbyte|, dude, everything works in fbsd FINE, it just this ubuntu install that is b0rked somehow.
[04:14] <imachine_> |lostbyte|, i have clients on this ap right as we speak and they connect FINE.
[04:14] <imachine_> its not a setup/hardware issue; its a kubuntu issue.
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: You need to open /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:14] <|lostbyte|> imachine_, ok ! iwlist wlan0 scan ?
[04:14] <imachine_> or error between monitor and keyboard
[04:14] <imachine_> :)
[04:14] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, checking it out
[04:14] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, should i blacklist hostap ?
[04:15] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: and put 'blacklist hostap' 'blacklist hostap_cs' one per line
[04:15] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  wtf!
[04:15] <arso_> wine CS 1.6.exe
[04:15] <arso_> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\CS.exe": Module not found
[04:15] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, anything else before i reboot ?
[04:15] <astro_-> Anyone know why apt-get install says "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166" serveral times every time I install something new?
[04:16] <astro_-> also I don't get most of the new apps into the K-menu, is this normal?
[04:16] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: It should pick it up without problems
[04:16] <imachine_> boot it is then.
[04:16] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, cheers, wish me luck
[04:16] <Mason59> Anyone with Konqueror problems
[04:16] <imachine_> :)
[04:17] <steveire> Can Kate autoindent?
[04:17] <sotired> good morning
[04:17] <|lostbyte|> arso_, this is funny, your wine acts like modprob.
[04:17] <|lostbyte|> sotired, hi !
[04:18] <|lostbyte|> arso_, if you still have my line in sources.list, remove your current wine..
[04:18] <chrisdarby> Can anyone help me get my webcam working? It's a Logitech QuickCam Chat.
[04:18] <sotired> i had this porblem once before and i forget how to fix it. my system sound has reverted back to my onboard. what is the command that i have to type to set it back to my card?
[04:18] <|lostbyte|> and update youe list.
[04:18] <sotired> chrisdarby: i have the same cam...mine just worked out of the box
[04:18] <imachine_> btw, i'd love a bigger console, any suggestions how i could obtain that ? :p
[04:19] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  ok, but a single line downloads and instals it?
[04:19] <chrisdarby> sotired: I can't get mine to work with Kopete on msn chats
[04:19] <imachine_> i'll google for that later.
[04:19] <sotired> usb?
[04:19] <imachine_> in the meantime, h3sp4wn , now i get NO wifi device ;)
[04:19] <|lostbyte|> arso_, if you still have my line in sources.list, do sudo apt-get --purge remove wine.
[04:19] <chrisdarby> sotired: yes
[04:19] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, NONE at all :D
[04:20] <sotired> chrisdarby, im really not sure, im somewhat of a linux newbie, but try using gaim, mine works with that fine
[04:20] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, i do have orinoco_cs in lsmod tho
[04:20] <julian_> me debi equivocar en la passw de root como hago ahora?
[04:20] <imachine_> ;p
[04:20] <chrisdarby> sotired: when i run $lsusb it just hangs for ages...
[04:20] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: but do you get wlan0 ?
[04:20] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, nope
[04:20] <ninHer> julian que password de root
[04:21] <zorglu1> julian_: in english it will do better :) or #kubuntu-es
[04:21] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: What appears in ifconfig -a ?
[04:21] <zorglu1> or -it i dunno :)
[04:21] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, eth0 and lo
[04:21] <julian_> en kubuntu
[04:21] <chrisdarby> sotired: thanks
[04:21] <sotired> anyone know the command to change my sound back to the souncard?
[04:21] <imachine_> eth0 being my built in lan.
[04:21] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  ok , i removed it, how do we check if its there now?
[04:21] <sotired> chrisdarby: did it work with gaim?
[04:21] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: I don't believe you
[04:21] <|lostbyte|> arso_, ok ! now sudo apt-get update
[04:22] <steveire> Can anything autoindent for me?
[04:22] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, :] 
[04:22] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: You should have at least sit0 there
[04:22] <imachine_> i dont.
[04:22] <imachine_> tho i agree i should.
[04:22] <imachine_> but wait
[04:23] <imachine_> yeah heh. sit0 on my desktop kubuntu
[04:23] <Nauxer> isnt it better to use uptitude instead of apt-get?
[04:23] <Nauxer> *aptitude
[04:23] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  ok updating
[04:23] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, is it better to run linux with 'pnp os' in bios?
[04:24] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, seriously, i have no sit0
[04:24] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: Don't think it makes much difference either way
[04:24] <imachine_> it's weird.
[04:24] <imachine_> well. anyway. i disabled hostap.
[04:24] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, whats sit0 for ?
[04:24] <imachine_> and it doesnt work at all.
[04:24] <imachine_> nothing.
[04:24] <imachine_> |lostbyte|, tunneling or so
[04:24] <imachine_> i think
[04:24] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  ok done, now wat?
[04:24] <|lostbyte|> ok
[04:25] <|lostbyte|> arso_, now apt-cache show wine
[04:25] <|lostbyte|> and paste me the filename line.
[04:25] <zorglu1> sit0 is for ipv6 tunneling
[04:25] <zorglu1> last time i looked :)
[04:25] <Emess> ok, how to get music going? my sound cards arent getting ANYTHING
[04:25] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: Its a good way to check whether people have done (ifconfig -a) or just done ifconfig
[04:26] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, ... you dont believe what i di.
[04:26] <imachine_> okay man.
[04:26] <imachine_> if you dont to help me, dont, but dont call me a f... liar.
[04:26] <arso_> |lostbyte|: Filename: pool/main/w/wine/wine_0.9.16~winehq0~ubuntu~6.06-1_i386.deb
[04:26] <|lostbyte|> :) ok
[04:26] <imachine_> s/dont/dont\ want
[04:26] <steveire> KDevelop seems to be just a text editor
[04:26] <|lostbyte|> arso_, ok ! good..
[04:26] <visik7> hi
[04:27] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  can we add it to kmenu
[04:27] <|lostbyte|> arso_, now sudo apt-get install wine
[04:27] <|lostbyte|> it will take some time..
[04:27] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: Do you have orinoco and orinoco_cs loaded or just one ?
[04:27] <|lostbyte|> arso_, any program you install using wine will be added to kmenu..
[04:27] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, i have hermes, orinoco_cs and orinoco
[04:27] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  how about wine ITSELF
[04:28] <imachine_> maybe i should get rid of hermes
[04:28] <imachine_> ;p
[04:28] <sysrpl> hello
[04:28] <|lostbyte|> arso_, wont be of any use to have a link there. as wine has no interface..
[04:28] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  oh, ok. so i just  "wine prog.exe" ?
[04:28] <imachine_> hey dude
[04:28] <|lostbyte|> yup !
[04:28] <imachine_> h3sp4wn, hostap seems to be the PREFERRED way.
[04:28] <arso_> yay, sounds nice
[04:28] <arso_> hope it works for my imp stuff
[04:28] <imachine_> i'll blacklist orinoco and stick to hostap
[04:28] <imachine_> brb
[04:28] <arso_> 2mins 20secs remaining
[04:29] <Emess> and quake4
[04:29] <volker> hello. anybody kenn tell me which package contains Xlib.h?
[04:29] <h3sp4wn> imachine_: For running an accesspoint maybe
[04:29] <imachine_> i dont know.
[04:29] <imachine_> i will try it.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> volker: check packages.ubuntu.com for that
[04:31] <Hobbsee> there's a search by file or directory
[04:31] <volker> Hobbsee: ive found it. libX11-dev
[04:31] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:31] <volker> Hobbsee: but thanks
[04:31] <sysrpl> hello
[04:31] <volker> bye
[04:31] <sysrpl> <- new ubunut/kubuntu user
[04:32] <sysrpl> i nstalled yesterday on ylaptop ... should i try to update the graphics drivers?
[04:32] <sysrpl> or ust leve them as per the default install
[04:32] <sysrpl> ?
[04:34] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  its done
[04:35] <arso_> |lostbyte|:
[04:35] <arso_>  wine Gunbound_GIS_WC_518.exe
[04:35] <arso_> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\Gunbound_GIS_WC_518.exe": Module not found
[04:35] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  tell me  theres something else we have to do
[04:36] <arso_> |lostbyte|:  u there man
[04:36] <zorglu1> q. ok i got a .deb, how to include it in the ubuntu mainstream ?
[04:37] <Hawkwind> zorglu1: You mean install it ?
[04:37] <zorglu1> Hawkwind: nope i mean to put them in the ubuntu repository so everybody can access it easily
[04:37] <Hawkwind> zorglu1: You have to get upload rights to REVU
[04:38] <zorglu1> REVU = ?
[04:38] <zorglu1> is there a process description i could follow
[04:38] <Hawkwind> zorglu1: Then it goes through a process of being checked and all that good stuff, then will be put into Edgy
[04:38] <Hawkwind> !revu
[04:38] <ubotu> I know nothing about revu
[04:38] <Meta-> I need some help
[04:38] <zorglu1> http://people.debian.org/~acid/tremulous/  <- it is not even mine. just i like tremulous so would like to do the necessary steps
[04:39] <zorglu1> tremulous.net for the main site
[04:39] <h3sp4wn> zorglu1: Is it in debian sid ?
[04:39] <zorglu1> h3sp4wn: i dunno
[04:40] <zorglu1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU <- the url of revu, may be good to put it in ubotu
[04:41] <Meta-> GUys
[04:41] <Meta-> I am on the kubuntu live disc
[04:42] <Meta-> I ned to mount my hd so i can get file from hit
[04:42] <Meta-> BUT
[04:42] <Meta-> There is no /dev/hda
[04:42] <Meta-> what do I do?
[04:42] <Meta-> How can I mount it?
[04:43] <arso_> |lostbyte|: .........
[04:43] <Mason59> Anyone with Konqueror problems?
[04:43] <Hawkwind> Mason59: Such as ?
[04:44] <Mason59> Konqueror sometimes hangs on opening...usually gets between 65 & 95% complete and then just freezes
[04:44] <Mason59> Doesn't do it all the time and I can terminate it
[04:44] <Mason59> After terminating, I kill the kio_http slaves and it will sometimes start OK
[04:45] <Hawkwind> Mason59: Have you tried moving your current ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror directory to something like ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror-old and then restarting konqueror ?
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> zorglu1: Is it a free first person shooter with the quake 3 engine ?
[04:45] <Mason59> No...let me try that
[04:46] <zorglu1> h3sp4wn: yep. http://tremulous.net for the main site. http://people.debian.org/~acid/tremulous/ being the debian package. im not acid
[04:47] <arso_> isnt there a free cedega equivalant ?besides wine
[04:47] <Hawkwind> arso_: No
[04:48] <arso_> :-(
[04:48] <arso_> i am having problems with wine
[04:48] <Mason59> Did that Hawkwind...restarted Konqueror, loaded Yahoo, but hangs @ 40%
[04:48] <arso_> getting cant find module when "wine prog.exe"
[04:49] <marcreichelt> I now found out that under Kubuntu 5.10 there is a ark_part listed in the appropriate configuration dialog in konqueror
[04:49] <marcreichelt> under 6.06, it is NOT listed
[04:49] <marcreichelt> how can I enable ark_part under Kubuntu 6.06?
[04:49] <steveire> is there any programming application that performs auto indentation?
[04:50] <Mason59> OK, so I terminated Konqueror, killed the kio_http slaves and restarted Konquerer and Yahoo loads...very strange
[04:50] <BazziR> steveire for which language?
[04:50] <chrisdarby> hey, i've just mounted an NTFS partition but i can't play any mp3 files on it, i've tried copying them to my linux drive but this makes no difference
[04:51] <steveire> I didn't think it would matter, but python, php javascript, c++
[04:51] <marcreichelt> chrisdarby: do you want to play them with AmaroK?
[04:51] <zorglu1> chrisdarby: google for 'restricted format ubuntu' you will find the proper page
[04:51] <steveire> I've got Kdevelop, but it seems entirely useless
[04:51] <Hawkwind> !restricted
[04:51] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:51] <BazziR> Try eclipse :) does python, java, html/js so far well
[04:51] <Hawkwind> Or read that :P
[04:51] <zorglu1> another possibility :)
[04:51] <chrisdarby> zorglu1: thanks once again
[04:51] <Hawkwind> chrisdarby: Read that stuff ubotu just mentioned
[04:52] <os2mac_Kubuntu> hi all
[04:52] <Hawkwind> chrisdarby: Specifically the last URL there
[04:52] <steveire> I'll try eclipse so thanks.
[04:53] <os2mac_Kubuntu> trying to use BCM43xx as a driver for my wlan card... I have followed the procedures in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[04:53] <os2mac_Kubuntu> and when I attempt to ifconfig the card I get the following messages
[04:54] <os2mac_Kubuntu> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Protocol error
[04:54] <Hawkwind> os2mac_Kubuntu: Have you read this one:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[04:54] <arso_> Hawkwind:  somethings wrong with my wine
[04:54] <Hawkwind> os2mac_Kubuntu: Several have used that one that used the one you posted and had better luck
[04:54] <arso_> Hawkwind:  whenever i run anwything i get "error running xxx -module not found"
[04:54] <Hawkwind> arso_: It's because it uses Windows junk :P
[04:55] <Hawkwind> arso_: So ask in #WineHQ
[04:55] <arso_> oh k
[04:55] <Hawkwind> arso_: I don't do Windows and even more so I don't do Wine or Cedega
[04:55] <os2mac_Kubuntu> ok I will try it Hawkwind
[04:55] <arso_> well i need it for games
[04:56] <Hawkwind> arso_: No, you *want* it for games.  You don't *need* it since there are many native linux games :)
[04:56] <zorglu1> like tremulous.net:)
[04:59] <Philip5> Hawkwind: had any nightmares about football tonight? :)
[04:59] <zorglu1> vive la france!! :)
[04:59] <Philip5> zorglu1: lol
[04:59] <chrisdarby> I've just tried opening a wav file in amaroK and this isn't working either?  Is it because i'm opening it from an NTFS drive?
[04:59] <Hawkwind> Philip5: Nope.  The day ended great as my Nascar driver won the race last night :)
[05:00] <Philip5> Hawkwind: then you atleast got something :)
[05:00] <arso_> Hawkwind:  but not the ones i want ;) like counter strike
[05:00] <Hawkwind> arso_: So give up gaming.  Though truthfully, use the best tool for the job.  If it happens to be Windows, then don't be ashamed to use it if it works best
[05:00] <Philip5> arso_: then you should check out cedegas wine implementation
[05:01] <Philip5> arso_: www.transgaming.com
[05:03] <os2mac_Kubuntu> Hawkwind I did get the driver installed but I am getting an AP invalid when I try to look at it in iwconfig
[05:07] <maitre-hokage5> bonjour
[05:07] <maitre-hokage5> je vien d'installer kubuntu
[05:08] <maitre-hokage5> et j'ai quelque soucis
[05:08] <SonicChao>  !fr
[05:08] <SonicChao> !fr
[05:08] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:08] <maitre-hokage5> o sorry
[05:08] <jb_> hello
[05:09] <byen> hey guys
[05:09] <SonicChao> Hi jb_
[05:09] <byen>  I need some help with Ubuntu recognizing my external USB hard drive. Can someone help me as it does not show up anywhere
[05:09] <SonicChao> What seems to be the problem?
[05:09] <SonicChao> byen, this is Kubuntu chat, not Ubuntu chat
[05:09] <jb_> does anybody know something about wireless lan with dwl-660 (orinocco Chipset?)
[05:09] <byen> * I meant on Kubuntu
[05:09] <SonicChao> byen, okay
[05:09] <byen> :P
[05:09] <SonicChao> :D
[05:09] <arso_> Philip5:  i dont wanna pay for cedega
[05:10] <arso_> i am dual booting windows anyway
[05:10] <byen> thie thing was.. it mounted automatically on Breezy
[05:10] <byen> but on dapper it does not show up anywhere
[05:10] <Howitzer> Why does the libsdl1.2debian-arts package give me choppy sound in Tremulous?
[05:10] <jb_> does anybody got wlan running with kubuntu 6.06 and orinocco chipset card?
[05:10] <byen> and since i have a 6gb hd on Kubu. i need the ext hd for my files
[05:10] <marcreichelt> !ark
[05:10] <ubotu> I know nothing about ark
[05:11] <marcreichelt> !ark_part
[05:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about ark_part
[05:11] <byen> can someone direct me here
[05:11] <Howitzer> the libsdl1.2debian-nat package gives me no sound at all in Tremulous..
[05:11] <SonicChao> marcreichelt, the bot knows nothing.
[05:11] <Howitzer> !restrictedformats
[05:11] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:11] <Howitzer> yes it does :D
[05:11] <Howitzer> !SDL
[05:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about SDL
[05:11] <Howitzer> !sdl
[05:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about sdl
[05:11] <jb_> !wlan
[05:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about wlan
[05:11] <SonicChao> lol
[05:11] <SonicChao> LOL!
[05:11] <Howitzer> damnit
[05:11] <Howitzer> !arts
[05:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about arts
[05:11] <jb_> !lol
[05:11] <byen> !external usb
[05:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about lol
[05:11] <SonicChao> I know what I'm saying...
[05:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about external usb
[05:11] <SonicChao> STOP!
[05:11] <SonicChao> NOW!
[05:11] <Howitzer> !usb
[05:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about usb
[05:12] <byen> gah
[05:12] <Howitzer> wtf
[05:12] <marcreichelt> !bill
[05:12] <ubotu> I know nothing about bill
[05:12] <byen> !wtf
[05:12] <ubotu> I know nothing about wtf
[05:12] <SonicChao> No playing with the bot.
[05:12] <byen> lol
[05:12] <SonicChao> I said no playing with the bot.
[05:12] <SonicChao> Are you listening?
[05:12] <SonicChao> This is a support channel.
[05:12] <SonicChao> Join #debian-bots to play with the bot
[05:12] <jb_> ok, is there somebody experienced with wlan in this support channel?
[05:13] <byen> isnt there a way to see where the usb hdd is mounted?
[05:13] <byen> how can i see where it is and how can i get it automounted
[05:13] <jb_> am i on ignore for everyone in her or does nobody use wlan in kubuntu?
[05:13] <marcreichelt> jb_, what do you want to know
[05:13] <marcreichelt> ?
[05:14] <jb_> hi marc, my dwl-660 (dlink) is not running although it has orinocco chipset, which is described as native supported by kubuntu
[05:14] <jaro> h3sp4wn:  Hey there :-) Do You wann help me out with the X.org Conf Problem ?
[05:15] <marcreichelt> what means "is not running"?
[05:15] <jb_> there are two leds, act and pwr, pwr is running, act not. iwconfig shows, that the card finds the accesspoint, the essid is correct, but no futher actions
[05:16] <jb_> any wether dhcp or manual
[05:16] <jb_> removinc and replacing the card shows in dmesg, that everything is ok, except one fact: "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready"
[05:16] <jb_> sorry, was eth1
[05:16] <jb_> not eth0
[05:17] <jb_> i can not ping the accesspoint nor any other adress in the lan
[05:17] <marcreichelt> can you pinh 127.0.0.1?
[05:17] <marcreichelt> wahh
[05:17] <marcreichelt> ping
[05:18] <jb_> wait, therefore i have to disable eth0 (that is lan and my actual connection to the web)
[05:18] <marcreichelt> no
[05:18] <marcreichelt> don't do that
[05:19] <marcreichelt> is there any other pc you can use for IRC?
[05:19] <jb_> back
[05:19] <jb_> can you still read me?
[05:19] <marcreichelt> yes
[05:19] <jb_> ok, 127.0.0.1 works fine
[05:19] <marcreichelt> so lo is working
[05:20] <marcreichelt> what does your /etc/network/interfaces say?
[05:20] <jb_> i will switch to another computer, so we can experminet on this one
[05:20] <marcreichelt> k
[05:20] <marcreichelt> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[05:22] <jb_> just pasted it under your nick
[05:22] <gj> marcreichelt, it is me, jb_
[05:22] <gj> we can now "play" with my concerned computer while i stay tuned with this one
[05:23] <marcreichelt> k
[05:24] <marcreichelt> gj, do you have such as many network devices? ;)
[05:24] <gj> nope, i have a laptop with builtin lan and a pcmcia-adapter
[05:25] <marcreichelt> gj, do a sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop
[05:25] <gj> k, 1 min
[05:26] <gupta> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptMoveHowto - isn't there an easier method for this ?
[05:26] <gj> done, should i paste the output?
[05:26] <gupta> probably with a function to update a rewritable cd ?
[05:26] <gj> ha, i can not paste it, my network is down :)
[05:27] <marcreichelt> then overwrite the /etc/init.d/interfaces with the content from http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17015
[05:27] <marcreichelt> or just comment the lines out that I commented ;)
[05:27] <gj> k,pls 1 min
[05:28] <marcreichelt> Hi jaro, you are from Darmstadt, too? :D
[05:28] <gj> ok, networiking start?
[05:28] <gj> networking
[05:28] <marcreichelt> yes
[05:29] <marcreichelt> then I need the output of ifconfig and iwconfig
[05:29] <gj> started, pwr-led is on, ip is 192.168.0.51. but no ping possible
[05:30] <marcreichelt> no ping to which IP address?
[05:30] <jaro> lol
[05:30] <gj> ifconfig shows the protocol ethern, the mac-adress, inet, bcat and mask all correct
[05:30] <jaro> how do you know ?
[05:30] <jaro> ip ?
[05:30] <gj> i can not ping any client in my lan
[05:30] <marcreichelt> no
[05:30] <marcreichelt> [17:27]  --> jaro hat den Kanal betreten (n=jaro@A310.ps.wh.tu-darmstadt.de). ;-)
[05:30] <jaro> oh ^
[05:30] <jaro> lol
[05:30] <jaro> are you studying ?
[05:30] <gj> i can ping localhost
[05:30] <marcreichelt> clear
[05:30] <marcreichelt> do you have a router?
[05:31] <marcreichelt> you seem to have one
[05:31] <gj> iwconfig says, lo, eth0, irda0 and sit0 have no wireless extensions. eth1: essid FingerWeg
[05:31] <marcreichelt> k
[05:31] <jaro> ?
[05:31] <marcreichelt> ifconfig?
[05:32] <gj> ifconfig says that eth1 and l0 are up, eth1 has its assigned ip-adress
[05:32] <marcreichelt> k
[05:32] <gj> i can not paste it, bec. no lan on that laptop actually
[05:32] <marcreichelt> what is your router's address?
[05:32] <gj> 192.168.0.50
[05:32] <marcreichelt> router ^^
[05:33] <gj> you mean, the dsl-adress, so to say from outside?
[05:33] <marcreichelt> or gateway
[05:33] <gj> my gateway, internal, is 192.168.0.1
[05:33] <marcreichelt> k
[05:33] <marcreichelt> ping that one
[05:33] <marcreichelt> ping 192.168.0.1
[05:33] <gj> nothing
[05:33] <gj> unreachable
[05:33] <marcreichelt> k
[05:34] <marcreichelt> moment, I'll open a chat between us two..
[05:34] <gj> thanks
[05:35] <ubuntu> anyone ever installed 6.06 on a Dell Dimension 1300c? I have just bought one, and I am going to put it on it.
[05:35] <gj> ok, wait, i register
[05:40] <kerbel> Can someone please help me with .fonts.conf? I want to make an entry which configures all "Serif" fonts to use Antialiasing
[05:41] <kerbel> Or do I have to ask this question somwhere else?
[05:46] <DocTomoe> I need help with my broadcom BCM4318 wifi card on dapper
[05:48] <Hawkwind> DocTomoe: Might try reading this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[05:49] <DocTomoe> Hawkwind: I tried to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29#head-b3e888974e3f23d9367ca6f2f32edcb3764613a5, but it didn't work, and i still have an eth1 device instead the wlan0 device I used to have
[05:52] <h3sp4wn> DocTomoe: Did you use ndiswrapper previously
[05:53] <DocTomoe> h3sp4wn: Yes.
[05:53] <DocTomoe> Hawkwind: Point 4 gives me /lib/firmware/2.6.15-23-686/bcm43xx_microcode2.fw: No such file or directory
[05:56] <Hawkwind> DocTomoe: I've not dealt with wireless in Kubuntu so I am only giving you URL's that others have used successfully
[05:58] <DocTomoe> ok, thanks
[05:58] <h3sp4wn> DocTomoe: Have you blacklisted ndiswrapper ?
[05:59] <h3sp4wn> DocTomoe: And run sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[05:59] <abattoir_> DocTomoe: did you try what i said earlier in the day?
[05:59] <tnt2> every time I run a graphical application, multiple error messages appear on my shell, like these: X Error BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166, locales not supported on X server... could you help me?
[06:01] <DocTomoe> abattoir_: didn't work -_-
[06:02] <DocTomoe> h3sp4wn: I changed so much till now I don't know where I stand anymore -_-. I just blacklisted ndiswrapper to get that bcm43xx driver to work eventually
[06:02] <h3sp4wn> DocTomoe: Is there anyway you could connect via a wire to run the above script ?
[06:03] <DocTomoe> h3sp4wn: that's the reason I am able to write this :)
[06:04] <h3sp4wn> DocTomoe: 1.2.2.1. Extract it Yourself - Do that bit but run the provided script instead of using the windows firmware
[06:06] <Muki-DA> Right now I don't have permissions to 1. open a certain mounted folder and 2. load Amarok w/o Sudo.
[06:06] <Muki-DA> Is there a fix for this?
[06:06] <apollo2011> I am installing ubuntu on my laptop and I used the partition tool in the graphical installation to remove a partition and resize my c: ntfs partition larger and leave room for Linux, but I think what happened was the partition was resized but the fs wasn't, because Windows still says C has the same space as before but the Disk Management and every Linux partition manager shows the drive as larger. How can I fix this?
[06:08] <sotired> anyone here a wine expert?
[06:08] <sotired> not the drink :)
[06:08] <h3sp4wn> sotired: #winehq
[06:09] <sotired> thank you
[06:09] <tnt2> every time I run an application, multiple error messages appear on my shell, like these: X Error BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166, locales not supported on X server... could you help me?
[06:10] <sotired> i get the same...but everythign works
[06:11] <tnt2> my current configuration can't pass OpenGL Direct Rendering nor 3DAcceleration tests...
[06:12] <tnt2> I have a NVIDIA Riva TNT 2 Model 64
[06:13] <Muki-DA> how do I mount something as root that anyone can read?
[06:14] <Muki-DA> It keeps saying "read only file system" whenever I try to change anything
[06:14] <Muki-DA> Oh wait, now it works. ^_^
[06:16] <Muki-DA> And at the moment, the only issue is that amarok only runs under sudo.
[06:16] <Rede> im using kubuntu and my wifi keeps disconnecting. i have tried disabling and re-enabling the card in the control panel, i tried searching for the network again to reconnect, but i always end up forced to reboot. anyone know if theres an easier way to restart my wifi? (im using a dlink card that uses acx100 drivers)
[06:19] <h3sp4wn> Rede: sudo ifdown IFNAME && sudo ifup IFNAME (IFNAME is wlan0 or eth0 or eth1 or whatever)
[06:21] <arso_> hey gyts
[06:21] <arso_> guys*
[06:21] <arso_> is there anything  likle "taskmanager:" here in linux
[06:21] <arso_> for showing current tasks
[06:22] <snikker> in a amd64 system, some 32-bit applications are dysplayed with very small font. why?
[06:24] <Muki-DA> Why would amarok run only under sudo?
[06:25] <snikker> no ones can hhelp me?
[06:28] <monomaniacpat> how do you install kubuntu efficiently and without changing the splash with ubuntu 6.06?
[06:29] <jaro> what do I have to do to Use an additional monitor ????
[06:32] <Kreuger> monomaniacpat: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:37] <Iam8up> can anyone tell me how to switch desktops via keyboard shortcuts?
[06:37] <arso_> OI anybody
[06:37] <arso_> how do i see wat tasks are running like task manager
[06:37] <Iam8up> arso_ - control esc
[06:38] <arso_> THANK U
[06:40] <nixternal> Iam8up: "Kmenu > System Settings > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard Shortcuts"     you want the walk through desktops...assign the key combo you want
[06:40] <arso_> umm guys
[06:40] <arso_> noob question but
[06:40] <arso_> how do i install a program from a .tar.gz
[06:40] <nixternal> arso
[06:40] <Iam8up> nixternal - tyvm
[06:40] <nixternal> arg
[06:40] <nixternal> np Iam8up
[06:41] <nixternal> sorry arso_   type       tar -xvzf filename.tar.gz
[06:41] <arso_> nixternal:  yes?>
[06:41] <nixternal> that will extract the tar file
[06:41] <nixternal> then it is usually a matter of typing the following
[06:41] <nixternal> ./configure
[06:41] <nixternal> make
[06:41] <h3sp4wn> arso_: Read the instructions inside usually README or INSTALL sometimes in doc/README doc/INSTALL
[06:41] <nixternal> sudo make install
[06:41] <Iam8up> before you do that..
[06:41] <Iam8up> Read the instructions inside usually README or INSTALL sometimes in doc/README doc/INSTALL
[06:41] <Iam8up> i was just going to mentin that =P
[06:41] <nixternal> wtf
[06:41] <arso_> i see thnx
[06:41] <arso_> lol
[06:42] <arso_> how about rars and zips
[06:42] <Iam8up> every once and a while you'll find an IGNOREME - that's the same thing as README
[06:42] <nixternal> unzip zips
[06:42] <nixternal> unrar rars
[06:42] <arso_> oh btw in run command or konsole
[06:42] <nixternal> actually with rars i think you need to install an extra package
[06:42] <nixternal> konsole
[06:43] <Iam8up> you want to open up the console, and cd to the folder where the tarball is located
[06:43] <nixternal> for rar..in konsole...type           sudo apt-get install rar
[06:43] <arso_> umm
[06:43] <arso_> tar: cedega-5.1.3-OES.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[06:43] <arso_> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[06:43] <arso_> tar: Child returned status 2
[06:43] <arso_> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[06:43] <Iam8up> you want to open up the console, and cd to the folder where the tarball is located
[06:43] <arso_> ya i did that
[06:43] <nixternal> tar -zxvf cedega-5.1.3-OES.tar.gz
[06:43] <nixternal> copy and paste
[06:43] <Iam8up> No such file or directory
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> arso_: If you have problems with cedega you would be better asking in #cedega
[06:44] <nixternal> did you download that to your desktop btw?
[06:44] <arso_> no
[06:44] <arso_> hojme
[06:44] <arso_> home
[06:44] <nixternal> ok
[06:44] <arso_> i wish they crack cedega
[06:44] <nixternal> why?
[06:44] <arso_> so u dont pay :P
[06:44] <nixternal> we don't talk cracking and hacking and script kiddie stuff in here...
[06:44] <arso_> btw is this like the offical linux server?
[06:44] <nixternal> that is the price you pay for using non FOSS
[06:45] <nixternal> hey groovis
[06:45] <groovis> yo.
[06:45] <groovis> I'm having a problem with Konqueror and Kate
[06:45] <Iam8up> arso_ - there is not such thing as an official linux server...
[06:45] <groovis> kate keeps opening odd filetypes
[06:45] <groovis> like .deb
[06:46] <groovis> and .wsz (winamp skins)
[06:46] <Iam8up> what would you prefer they open with..?
[06:46] <groovis> nothing. Save as would be nice.
[06:47] <groovis> those extensions aren't in Konqueror's preferences either
[06:47] <groovis> it's weird.
[06:47] <nixternal> groovis: i know what you are talking about, and that is a reason konqi makes me mad
[06:47] <groovis> it's really aggrivating.
[06:47] <nixternal> now i need to try to remember how to fix that issue
[06:48] <jb_> hello, anybody out there who can help me troubleshoot wireless lan?
[06:48] <groovis> when I search Konq's file associations for '.deb', for instance, I see the Debian Package manager...
[06:48] <stephan22222_> hi
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> jb_: What wireless chipset ?
[06:48] <groovis> but yet it opens with kate. Grrr.
[06:48] <stephan22222_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:48] <stephan22222_>   compiz-gnome: Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.3) but 1.12.2-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[06:48] <stephan22222_> E: Broken packages
[06:48] <jb_> orinoco, it is a dwl-660
[06:49] <groovis> nixternal: you've had this problem as well?
[06:49] <stephan22222_> but in kubuntu is nowher 1.12.3, where to get it?
[06:50] <nixternal> yes groovis
[06:50] <nixternal> im trying to figure out how to fix it
[06:50] <nixternal> i think it is with the file associations and embedded editors
[06:50] <groovis> nixternal: remove Kate ;)
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> jb_: Is orinoco_cs in lsmod ?
[06:51] <groovis> nixternal: yeah, but there's no gui way to do it...that I can see
[06:51] <nixternal> no way..i love kate and use kate for everything
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> jb_: Or is it loading hostap ?
[06:51] <groovis> nixternal: I love kate too, but we're thinking different Kates...
[06:52] <jb_> h3sp4wn: lsmod shows, that orinoco is loaded, orinoco_cs and pcmcia. but pcmcia is also linked to hostap_cs
[06:52] <jb_> hostap is also loaded
[06:53] <jb_> hostap_cs              64536  0
[06:53] <jb_> hostap                119428  1 hostap_cs
[06:53] <jb_> ieee80211_crypt         6272  1 hostap
[06:53] <jb_> orinoco_cs             17928  1
[06:53] <jb_> orinoco                43156  1 orinoco_cs
[06:53] <jb_> hermes                  7808  2 orinoco_cs,orinoco
[06:53] <nixternal> !pastebin
[06:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:53] <jb_> okok
[06:54] <jb_> next time, promised
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> jb_: sudo rmmod hostap_cs && sudo rmmod hostap
[06:54] <nixternal> i thought the 660 was prismII
[06:54] <chahibi> Hello, can anyone please paste his/her /etc/fonts/fonts.conf ? I think mine is wrong
[06:54] <nixternal> i know the 650 is either orinoco or prismII depending on the version
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> There is different revisions I think
[06:54] <nixternal> ya..same with the 650
[06:55] <jb_> done, the 660 is orinoco, mine at least
[06:55] <nixternal> i had the prismII 660..it just works
[06:55] <nixternal> so does the orinoco and dapper
[06:55] <jb_> nixternal, nice for you, but in here, no way :(
[06:55] <jb_> after rmmod, what should i do then?
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> blacklist hostap and hostap_cs
[06:57] <groovis> nixternal: i removed Kate... clicked the link, and got 'Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/kate.desktop' is malformatted...
[06:57] <jb_> how do i blacklist them?
[06:57] <groovis> nixternal: looks like I'll start looking there...
[06:57] <nixternal> ya..i know it has something to do with the kate.desktop
[06:58] <nixternal> but i thought you could disable that in the embedded applications area...but i guess not from the looks of it
[06:58] <Kreuger> monomaniacpat: did you get it?
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> jb_: Have you actually tried just setting up wpa_supplicant ?
[06:59] <jb_> the dwl-660 does not know anything about wpa, so i did not set it up
[07:00] <jb_> how do i blacklist the hostap and hostap_cs
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> jb_: I am not 100% certain you need to do that - can you just not see any accesspoints with iwlist wifi0 scan ?
[07:02] <h3sp4wn> jb_: just replug the card and hotplug should sort it out . iwlist wlan0 scan sorry
[07:03] <nixternal> groovis: i believe i have found a bug with the "Left Click Action" in Embedding of .deb files. There is a click for "Ask whether to save to disk instead"...im playing with that and looking a the rc file to see if it updates
[07:03] <nixternal> konqi is a tank...its a beast of an app
[07:03] <groovis> nixternal: uh-huh...
[07:03] <groovis> nixternal: http://www.skinbase.org/winamp.php
[07:03] <groovis> try that link too
[07:04] <groovis> nixternal: click the download, and kate will open the .wzl(?) extension
[07:04] <groovis> nixternal: any skin...
[07:04] <nixternal> yup
[07:04] <nixternal> that is garbage
[07:04] <nixternal> it is these little things that push me away from konqi too
[07:05] <groovis> nixternal: and to think I switched from slack for this ;)
[07:05] <nixternal> i am using FF, which just happens to be one of the worst browsers in existance
[07:05] <groovis> nixternal: it works in FF...I don't have the problem there, but I prefer Konq.
[07:05] <nixternal> slack support though is just starting to do that...slack..their updates are becoming few and far between
[07:06] <groovis> nixternal: what drove me away was trying to install Ekiga 2.0 beta (dpendency f'ing hell)
[07:06] <stefan_> whats wrong with firefox exactly?
[07:06] <nixternal> heh..ok..i did the little click thing right..and then said "Apply", and now it is in an infinite "Updating system configuration" loop
[07:06] <groovis> nixternal: apt-get is niiiiice ;)
[07:06] <nixternal> good stuff
[07:06] <groovis> lol
[07:06] <groovis> nice work nixternal
[07:06] <nixternal> stefan_: firefox is slow for one
[07:07] <nixternal> that is the biggen...2...the vulnerabilities are slower then their upgrades..almost microsoft style
[07:07] <groovis> afk
[07:07] <nixternal> but that is an offtopic discussion
[07:07] <jb_> h3sp4wn: that kicked me out of the lan, now i am back
[07:07] <nixternal> groovis made me break my konqi
[07:07] <jb_> rmmod did not bring any changes
[07:08] <h3sp4wn> jb_: run sudo wpa_cli
[07:08] <jb_> he says: Could not connect to wpa_supplicant - re-trying
[07:08] <jb_> but my card does not support wpa at all
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> jb: wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> jb: wpa_supplicant is in software
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> jb: hostap supports wext
[07:09] <jb_> Failed to read read or parse configuration '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'.
[07:10] <jb_> i touch it first?
[07:10] <jb_> touch /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> jb: touch it and just add only this line to the file ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
[07:11] <h3sp4wn> jb: ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
[07:11] <tnt2> share your knowledge
[07:11] <tnt2> :)
[07:12] <jb_> done, the error "could not connect to wpa_supplicant" remains
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> jb: sudo wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[07:12] <yogi> Can anyone help me finger out why the webcam doesn't work with kopete??
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> jb_: sudo wpa_cli
[07:12] <nixternal> yogi: #kopete
[07:12] <jb_> tons of messages, most "no such device"
[07:13] <dr_willis> ive never had a webcam work yet for me under linux
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> jb_: ifconfig -a
[07:13] <jb_> !pastebin
[07:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:13] <jb_> pasted it with your nick
[07:14] <yogi> dr_willis: The web cam works, otherwise, but just not w/kopete.
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> jb_: What is the url ? (try starting it with sudo wpa_supplicant -Dhostap -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[07:15] <yogi> dr_willis:When I issue the command 'send webcam' the system locks up tight in a few seconds.  Absolutely nothing in the logs, either, past letting me know the driver registered.
[07:15] <nixternal> yogi: best bet for a good answer is the kopete channel. i know there have been issues with it, and the guys there will rock it out for you
[07:15] <jb_> ifconfig -a is pasted with at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17022
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> jb_ is it a laptop ? with 2 network cards ?
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> jb_: Is is eth0 and eth1 both wired connections ?
[07:17] <jb_> eth0 is lan, eth1 is wlan. but when i off eth0 i am out of the lan, disconnected
[07:17] <jb_> i maintain eth0 just for being able to talk to you
[07:17] <jb_> eth1 is pcmcia, eth0 is builtin
[07:18] <yogi> nixternal:Thanks a bunch! :-)
[07:18] <dr_willis> yogi,  had similer issues with all 3 of my webcams. :(
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> jb_: iwlist eth1 scan
[07:19] <jb_> eth1      Failed to read scan data : No data available
[07:19] <groovis> does anyone have Kopete and web cams working?
[07:19] <groovis> I just use ekiga
[07:22] <h3sp4wn> jb_: Is hermes in lsmod ?
[07:23] <jb_> yes: hermes                  7808  2 orinoco_cs,orinoco
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> jb_: try adding hermes to the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (I don't think you can use hermes and hostap at the same time)
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> jb_: blacklist hermes
[07:24] <jb_> but i rmmod hostap already?
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> jb_: It will have come back after you replugged in the card
[07:25] <jb_> ok, one moment
[07:26] <jb_> i will disconnect now and try to come back with wlan
[07:27] <h3sp4wn> jb_: I think using hostap is a better driver but if you have both running at once then they will conflict
[07:27] <groovis> brb
[07:27] <trym|work> is xeon i386 or ia64?
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> trym|work: Its not ia64
[07:28] <jb_> back
[07:28] <jb_> no success
[07:28] <trym|work> h3sp4wn: i386 then ?
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> trym|work: How new is the xeon ?
[07:29] <jb_> hermes is stil in lsmod
[07:29] <jb_> but i blacklisted it, do i have to reboot?
[07:29] <h3sp4wn> yes
[07:30] <jb_> ok
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> Maybe there is a way of restarting modprobe.d but I don't know it
[07:31] <trym|work> h3sp4wn: brand new
[07:32] <h3sp4wn> trym|work: You should be able to use the AMD64 branch
[07:32] <trym|work> should I ?
[07:32] <trym|work> its a dell poweredge
[07:33] <h3sp4wn> It should have the 64bit extensions if its new
[07:33] <fek> awesome
[07:34] <fek> seaLne: haben wir uns ber das dist-upgrade heute unterhalten?
[07:39] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:40] <jb_> hello h3sp4wn :-( hermes is blacklisted but loaded
[07:40] <jb_> rmmod hermes is not possible because it is in use by orinoco
[07:40] <h3sp4wn> rd_: blacklist orinoco and blacklist orinoco_cs
[07:41] <jb_> me?
[07:42] <h3sp4wn> yEP
[07:42] <jb_> ok, i reboot
[07:44] <fek> dapper rocks :)
[07:50] <jb_> h3sp4wn: now he is refusing eth1 totally
[07:50] <jb_> no orinoco and hermes in lsmod, but eth1 is not startable
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> eth1 no longer appears in ifconfig -a ?
[07:51] <jb_> yes
[07:51] <jb_> it is gone
[07:51] <jb_> hostap and hostap_cs are still in lsmod
[07:54] <h3sp4wn> jb_: Just unblack list what was blacklisted before
[07:54] <jb_> you mean, remove the hermes and the two orinoco-entries?
[07:55] <h3sp4wn> Yep I am just trying to work out what it could be
[07:55] <jb_> ok, i will do it and reboot
[07:56] <h3sp4wn> just try sudo modprobe hermes (it may save you having to reboot)
[07:57] <cesar> hola
[07:57] <cesar> este chat es en espaol?
[07:58] <SpAwN> hello all....i am using mandriva linux atm...but an looking to install kubuntu....my partions are like this right now mandriva has: 10gigs for / 10gogs for /usr and about 208gigs for home. i want to keep everything on my /home partion(has all my music and movies and such) is there anything i should do it b4i try this....like erase ~./kde or anything?
[07:59] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: move your home directory to usernameold or somesuch name if you want to use the same username
[07:59] <cesar> why?
[07:59] <cesar> why?
[07:59] <cesar> why?
[08:00] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: I'd personally split up that 208GB into smaller partitions and put things like your music on other partitions and keep home for just your config files/directories.  It saves time
[08:00] <Hawkwind> cesar: English only here, try #Kubuntu-ES
[08:00] <SpAwN> ahh so lets say i have user foo on mandriva....and want the same nick on the new install...id move the foo home folder to foobackup then make a new foo user on kubuntu
[08:00] <cesar> tanks
[08:00] <jb_> h3sp4wn: removed from blacklist and rebooted
[08:00] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: I would to that the uid and gid will probably be different anyway
[08:01] <h3sp4wn> jb_: iwpriv eth1 host_roaming 2
[08:01] <SpAwN> hmm the 208 is pretty full....i dont wanna risk losig anything....wouldnt resizing possibly lost data?
[08:01] <h3sp4wn> jb_: iwconfig eth1 mode managed
[08:01] <jb_> he said invalid command host_roaming
[08:02] <h3sp4wn> Is this as root ?
[08:02] <jb_> yes
[08:02] <jb_> the mode managed worked without coment
[08:02] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Keeping everything in /home really is NOT a wise idea.  You really should do a complete backup and split things up a bit
[08:02] <h3sp4wn> jb_: iwconfig eth1 essid any
[08:03] <jb_> ok, done, should i try again?
[08:03] <SpAwN> hmm i have a external 120 gig hdd...but that just about full too........ *sigh*
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> jb_: iwlist eth1 scan
[08:04] <jb_> typed the command, he is waiting, then "ressouce temporarily unavailable"
[08:04] <stephan22222_> i have a mobile centrino, i ther a tool wich shows my how fast it is running at the moment (other speedswithc stuff would be nice)
[08:12] <CaptainMorgan> how do I unpack a .bin file?
[08:12] <CaptainMorgan> trying to install Google earth
[08:13] <jb_> h3sp4wn: are you still there?
[08:13] <abattoir_> CaptainMorgan: sh ./<file>.bin
[08:14] <CaptainMorgan> abattoir_: thanks
[08:24] <h3sp4wn> jb_: I am out of ideas I suggest you try an orinoco support channel if there is one
[08:24] <jb_> ok, thank you
[08:31] <Muki-DA> Anyone here using azureus?
[08:32] <SpAwN> yes i do
[08:32] <Muki-DA> The warning box isn't going away.
[08:32] <Muki-DA> Is there a way to disable it?
[08:32] <SpAwN> the one that says it shut donw improperly?
[08:33] <Muki-DA> Yeah.
[08:33] <Muki-DA> Or that it can't grab the access port you specified, etc.
[08:33] <SpAwN> and u hit the hide button
[08:33] <SpAwN> well which is it
[08:33] <Muki-DA> Yup, it didn't go away.
[08:33] <Muki-DA> At the moment, Azureus did not shut down tidily.
[08:33] <SpAwN> if its the one about ports u may need to fix it to make it go away
[08:34] <Muki-DA> I just wanna disable warning boxes. I have no need for them.
[08:34] <Muki-DA> And I have no access to the router, and you can't just tell Azureus that port forwarding isnt' an option.
[08:35] <SpAwN> Muki-DA: let me take a quick look in azurues real quick for u
[08:38] <SpAwN> Muki-DA: i just did a once over and didnt see an option to disable them'
[08:38] <SpAwN> .....there could stil lbe one....but i didint see it
[08:38] <Muki-DA> SpAwn : I've done sever looks over the options and I've never see it.
[08:39] <Muki-DA> Maybe it's a config file or something.
[08:39] <Muki-DA> Regardless, it's all new kinds of annoying.
[08:39] <Muki-DA> It's the only big [bleep] ing pet peeve I have with Azureus.
[08:39] <Muki-DA> It's the only program in existence that doesn't let you disable it's annoying popup messages.
[08:39] <Muki-DA> *its
[08:40] <SpAwN> hehe
[08:40] <SpAwN> but it is a damn good torrent client
[08:41] <Muki-DA> I would have uninstalled it AGES ago if it wasn't ;)
[08:41] <SpAwN> ;)
[08:42] <Muki-DA> There is ZERO option for this.
[08:42] <Muki-DA> And the Kubuntu build is FUKT.
[08:42] <Muki-DA> ARRGGG >_<
[08:44] <SpAwN> just go dl azureus from thier site
[08:44] <SpAwN> unpack and bingo....its working
[08:44] <Muki-DA> I can't stand those warning messages either way >_<
[08:44] <zorglu1> Muki-DA: join the irc channel thru azureus itself and describe your problem
[08:44] <Muki-DA> zorglu1 : I have ^^
[08:45] <zorglu1> and ?
[08:45] <SpAwN> ive dled 118 gigs and upped 132 gigs with azureus
[08:45] <Muki-DA> No response. No activity, actually.
[08:45] <SpAwN> lol
[08:45] <zorglu1> ah ok :)
[08:45] <SpAwN> mostly legal torrents
[08:46] <SpAwN> =D
[08:46] <SpAwN> maby a few mp3's...
[08:46] <sensei> 'mostly' is enough for them
[08:46] <sensei> I was kidding though ;)
[08:46] <SpAwN> sensei: if i thoguht u wa sserious id be changing my ip right about now...then using a proxy to reconnect here
[08:46] <SpAwN> ;D
[08:47] <sensei> I'd see your IP when disconnecting ;)
[08:47] <SpAwN> sensei: im on a large isp and have synamic ip
[08:47] <SpAwN> ....i can change my actual ip as i want...plus who is to say im not using a proxy atm
[08:48] <SpAwN> =D
[08:48] <sensei> FYI, ISPs are forced to log the owner of any given ip of any given user for a minimum of three years
[08:48] <SpAwN> ill just the good ol onion router
[08:48] <SpAwN> sensei: realy?
[08:48] <sensei> SpAwN: Really
[08:48] <h3sp4wn> Some isp's don't do that (FDD in the uk for example)
[08:48] <SpAwN> thats gotta be huge huge volums of logs
[08:49] <sensei> SpAwN: Oh yeah
[08:49] <SpAwN> imagine that
[08:49] <sensei> h3sp4wn: Don't know about UK law, so it's possible that's the case
[08:49] <SpAwN> like 1000000 tbs of logs per day
[08:49] <sensei> In Sweden they even have to log all the connections
[08:49] <sensei> Each TCP chain is logged with time
[08:49] <SpAwN> damn
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> It is still against the law but that is one ISP that never did it (probably because they couldn't do it technically it was a bit of a cowboy outfit)
[08:49] <SpAwN> i though they had like a cashe for them....but 3 years damn
[08:50] <SpAwN> *cache
[08:50] <Lynoure> sensei: really? Are you Swedish?
[08:50] <sensei> All in the name of anti-terror ;)
[08:50] <sensei> Lynoure: Yes, born and raised
[08:51] <Lynoure> sensei: they'd done a full turn then, if http://dsv.su.se/jpalme/society/PUL-and-logging.html is to believed
[08:52] <sensei> Lynoure: No, they're not logging the data, just the chains, and there's tonnes of clauses that null and voids that
[08:54] <Lynoure> sensei: I understand some Swedish but not enough to figure out good search terms. Could you point me to the law about it, or help me to search for it? I've been considering moving to Sweden, so I'd like to make sure the law is not all absurd.
[08:55] <sensei> Lynoure: A swedish or English page?
[08:55] <DjDarkman> hy ,a friend of mine has an ATI videocard that`s direct rendering  didn`t work after he upgraded ,can he use the old ati drivers somehow?
[08:56] <Lynoure> sensei: Swedish is fine, English preferred, but I know laws usually don't come translated to non-official languages
[08:56] <sensei> Just a second
[08:57] <SpAwN> brb...gotta reboot this thing
[08:59] <sensei> http://www.64bits.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51265&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=3a6368597159c0ecc7e595fea11e1e02
[08:59] <sensei> Actually, that implies that this law is a EU one :O
[09:00] <mundial> hi
[09:00] <mundial> how can i login as root in kubuntu?
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> DjDarkman: 'deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted multiverse universe' he has 2.6.15-25 kernel but no matching restricted modules probably
[09:01] <Lynoure> sensei: EU has been made some whattheyarecalled... things to be implemented as laws in countries. But different countries have interpreted them differently, so the actual local law is what matters
[09:01] <sensei> http://www.effi.org/sananvapaus/eu-2002-11-20.html A lot of countries seem to do this already
[09:04] <Lynoure> sensei: I used to be active in EFFi :)
[09:04] <sensei> Then shouldn't you be aware of this? :)
[09:05] <sensei> Braakman sounds dutch, Holland has the same law as Sweden :)
[09:07] <Lynoure> sensei: I don't live in Swedish nor have time to track all countries always
[09:07] <Lynoure> sensei: I'm aware of the EU directive.
[09:08] <sensei> Ah ok
[09:09] <Lynoure> sensei: but like I said, often countries implement those in radically different ways. ( see for example the recent copyright law changes accross EU)
[09:10] <sensei> Yeah, I guess they do
[09:15] <Lynoure> Hmm, time to do some paid work, now...
[09:17] <sensei> laters
[09:20] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Hey guys
[09:20] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I was wondering what is the diffrents between Xubuntu and the other ubuntu's?
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu (gnome) kubuntu (kde) xubuntu (xfce)
[09:21] <Philip5> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: the windows handler
[09:23] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Thanks
[09:24] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I knew it was something about the window handler but wasn't sure what it was
[09:27] <bam_> anyone got warcraft 2 to work with stratagus
[09:28] <bam_> it should be gubuntu
[09:29] <gioacchino> hello
[09:29] <gioacchino> how to install the bases pacages ( gcc kedit ecc ecc... )
[09:29] <gioacchino> ?
[09:31] <GBoS> sudo apt-get install gcc
[09:31] <gioacchino> mm
[09:31] <gioacchino> no only gcc
[09:31] <gioacchino> all bases pacage
[09:33] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Hey Guys what do you think of Komplete?
[09:33] <gioacchino> all bases pacage
[09:34] <SpAwN> omg im installing kubuntu.....realy hope i did the partions right
[09:35] <apollo2011> How do I listen to mp3s in Amarok on Dapper? There is no package listed in the Restricted Formats Wiki page for amarok under Dapper and I can't play mp3s in amarok right now...
[09:35] <SpAwN> !restricted
[09:35] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:35] <SpAwN> ubotu: ^^
[09:35] <ubotu> I know nothing about ^^
[09:35] <SpAwN> ubotu: read up
[09:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about read up
[09:36] <apollo2011> I already went there
[09:36] <SpAwN> crap
[09:36] <SpAwN> lol
[09:36] <SpAwN> talking to the rong person
[09:36] <SpAwN> *wrong
[09:36] <SpAwN> apollo2011: an?
[09:36] <SpAwN> *and
[09:36] <gioacchino> how to install the bases pacages ( gcc kedit ecc ecc... )  ?
[09:37] <apollo2011> that page doesn't have any package listed for amarok on Dapper, just for Breezy and I installed that package and it didn't do anything
[09:37] <SpAwN> apollo2011: this is my second day using ubuntu and was able to get it working...just look for the packages they recomend
[09:37] <SpAwN> well kubuntu
[09:38] <apollo2011> I have been using for a year and a half
[09:38] <SpAwN> and u havent gotten mp3s working?
[09:39] <gioacchino> how to install the bases pacages ( gcc kedit ecc ecc... )  ?
[09:39] <apollo2011> this is on a different system that I just installed it on
[09:39] <SpAwN> ahh apollo2011
[09:39] <apollo2011> I use XMMS anyway on my main system
[09:39] <SpAwN> apollo2011: same here man
[09:39] <SpAwN> xmms pwns
[09:40] <gatekeeper> gioacchino: use your pacakage manager adept or alternatively install synaptic and use that
[09:40] <SpAwN> brb install just finished
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> Its old and buggy and gtk1
[09:40] <Howitzer> does anyone know of a really lightweight KDE movie player?
[09:41] <Howitzer> like Totem but for KDE then
[09:41] <bam_> I prefer xine
[09:41] <gatekeeper> works for me too
[09:41] <Howitzer> i don't like xine having 2 windows
[09:41] <bam_> doest bug me
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> Tried codeine ?
[09:41] <bam_> I am watching a move not a control panel
[09:41] <Howitzer> i will now :)
[09:42] <Howitzer> yes, but the seperate windows bug me somehow
[09:42] <bam_> then get rid of it
[09:42] <bam_> right click
[09:42] <chrisdarby> can anyone help me get my webcam working and mp3 playback working?  I'm a total n00b and i've looked on most of the appropriate pages and can't find any help
[09:42] <Howitzer> also, any idea how to enable repeat on default?
[09:45] <roob> omg it wokred!!!!!!!!!!...i didnt mess up my partions =D =D
[09:45] <diiiego> hi, i have a problem whith my keybord when i have installed xgl.... but i find a solution of this problem with the command xmodmap /home/user/.myxmodconfiguratio.... but i vont to apply this command in automatic when pc start.... can you help me?
[09:45] <deuce868> I'm trying to setup kaudiocreator to rip some cds to mp3 format. I have it setup to use lame, but how can I tell it what bitrate to use when encoding?
[09:46] <serenity> i want to uncompress a folder full of zip-files at once, what is the command for it?
[09:46] <nico8481> hi
[09:46] <roob> is there a packge that will install gcc,make, and like the kernel source....i want to install the nvidia driver and be able to compile things
[09:47] <serenity> roob: sudo apt-get buildessential
[09:47] <serenity> roob: sudo apt-get install buildessential
[09:47] <SpAwN> serenity: thanks
[09:47] <SpAwN> =D
[09:47] <serenity> SpAwN: for what?
[09:48] <crimsun> SpAwN: is there any reason the included Nvidia drivers don't work?
[09:48] <crimsun> serenity: you answered his question
[09:48] <serenity> crimsun: they work, but without 3d-accl.
[09:48] <crimsun> serenity: I'm referring to nvidia, not nv.
[09:48] <SpAwN> crimsun: well i did a diff install of kubuntu and installe dthem following the directions and did ctrl alt backspace and boom locked my ssytem up
[09:48] <crimsun> (i.e., the ones in restricted)
[09:48] <SpAwN> i kinda almost prefer to install the nvidia driver by hand
[09:49] <crimsun> SpAwN: ok, then you need build-essential, fakeroot, and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:49] <serenity> crimsun: but you said the included...i installed the nvidia-drivers and they work fine
[09:49] <SpAwN> that way i know there installed and working.....the nvidia driver has always worked for me
[09:49] <SpAwN> crimsun: nice thanks......
[09:49] <SpAwN> installing them nw
[09:49] <SpAwN> *now
[09:49] <crimsun> serenity: the binary-only nvidia drivers /are/ included but not activated by default
[09:50] <crimsun> serenity: that's why I use the syntax "nvidia" and "nv"
[09:50] <SpAwN> !restrictec
[09:50] <ubotu> I know nothing about restrictec
[09:50] <SpAwN> !restricted
[09:50] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:50] <gatekeeper> SpAwN: does that not happen at installation time?
[09:50] <serenity> crimsun: ok, sry 'bout that
[09:50] <crimsun> serenity: n
[09:50] <crimsun> p
[09:50] <SpAwN> gatekeeper: what happen?
[09:51] <gatekeeper> SpAwN: the nvidia drivers get installed if you have that type of graphics card?
[09:51] <gatekeeper> serenity: :-)
[09:52] <SpAwN> hehe now im confused gatekeeper.....but its cool.....i have to run out for a bit...do a few errands....bbl...and thanks to all that have helped me so far
[09:55] <deuce868> anyone know how to customize the ripping of kaudiocreator to change the directory it puts ripped songs, bitrate, etc?
[09:55] <Philip5> gatekeeper: mine didn't... had to install it with apt-get
[09:58] <gatekeeper> Philip5: I have got a GeForce4 it looks as if it has installed some nvidia stuff looking the package manger just woundering if there is other stuff that should also be installed
[09:58] <gatekeeper> Philip5: may be if ain't boke I shouldn't try to fix it :-)
[09:58] <chrisdarby> can anyone help me get my webcam working and mp3 playback working?  I'm a total n00b and i've looked on most of the appropriate pages and can't find any help
[09:59] <Philip5> gatekeeper: i have the nvidia-glx installed
[10:00] <Philip5> gallag: and the nvidia-kernel-common
[10:00] <keyne> hi
[10:00] <Philip5> ops
[10:00] <Philip5> gatekeeper:  and the nvidia-kernel-common
[10:02] <gatekeeper> Philip5: I have nvidia-kenel-common but not nvidia-glx
[10:02] <Philip5> gatekeeper: you'll need it and then see that your xorg.conf is right
[10:02] <omgwtflolbbq> doesnt anyone know why
[10:03] <omgwtflolbbq> when i do ./configure's
[10:03] <omgwtflolbbq> when it says cechking for X
[10:03] <omgwtflolbbq> it cant find it
[10:03] <crimsun> because you don't have x-dev, libx11-dev, and others installed
[10:03] <omgwtflolbbq> word
[10:03] <crimsun> that's a faq
[10:03] <omgwtflolbbq> lol k
[10:04] <Mongey> is there 3d desktop switchin in kde?
[10:05] <gatekeeper> Philip5: hmm as everything is OK at the moment I am tempted to leave well alone, not really sure
[10:06] <Philip5> gatekeeper: without glx you will not have hardware driven opengl
[10:06] <Philip5> so if you want that then get glx otherwise you can be out it
[10:06] <gatekeeper> Philip5: what would I need to alter in xorg.conf
[10:07] <Philip5> gatekeeper: any nvidia specific options you want/need and that it loads the nvidia driver instead of the nv driver
[10:11] <gatekeeper> Philip5: got a URL that tells me a bit more by any chance?
[10:14] <Silver_Adept> Hi, channel. Having a little trouble getting Dapper to recognize my sound microphone. The Sound Recorder program keeps telling me that my "audio capture settings are invalid" and that I should correct them in the Multimedia pane. any ideas what this might be?
[10:14] <zardoz> other then doing uname -a is there a way to check if I am running this dual core...
[10:14] <Philip5> gatekeeper: a bit more about what?
[10:16] <arcturus> zardoz:  don't know if this helps but try cat /proc/cpuinfo
[10:17] <zardoz> oh, yeah I can try that thanks :P
[10:17] <Philip5> gatekeeper: you can read all about nvidia settings and options in the readme at: http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/README/index.html
[10:17] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: in kmix settings, make sure the little red dot below the microphone is glowing red
[10:17] <Silver_Adept> Ah, yes. That's been done. Mic's not muted, nor quiet.
[10:17] <nixternal> hmmm
[10:18] <nixternal> what sound card are you using?
[10:18] <Silver_Adept> Sound Blaster Live! 5.1
[10:18] <nixternal> ok...so that works from the get go usually
[10:18] <Silver_Adept> I have the emuk101 modules loaded. Apparently, also the ac97 modules, too. Would that be a problem?
[10:18] <nixternal> oh ya..
[10:18] <zardoz> arcturus:  well, thats somewhat helpful... :P
[10:18] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: make sure that "Capture" and "AC97" are also glowing red under the input
[10:19] <cox377> Hey All
[10:19] <Silver_Adept> How do I unload the ac97 modules - they're supposedly in use - and then tell them to go away and never come back?
[10:19] <dr_willis> put them in that modules blacklist file
[10:20] <Silver_Adept> Blacklist file?
[10:20] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: in kmix, does the bottom right hand corner say "SBLive 5.1 [SB0060] "
[10:20] <Mongey> !3ddesktop
[10:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about 3ddesktop
[10:21] <Silver_Adept> Just SB Live 5.1
[10:21] <gatekeeper> Philip5: looks like all you need to do is: sudo nvidia-xconfig judging by this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185910
[10:21] <gatekeeper> Philip5: thanx for the URL and nvdia info :-)
[10:22] <nixternal> what program is giving you the error?
[10:22] <Philip5> gatekeeper: yes, you can use the xconfig yo help you with it or do it manually in xorg.config
[10:22] <nixternal> hmm
[10:23] <Silver_Adept> Sound Recorder gives me the "audio capture" error - a program like Teamspeak won't transmit my voice.
[10:23] <nixternal> ahh
[10:24] <Silver_Adept> Yeah. I don't know what the problem is. That's why I wonder whether the ac97 drivers are causing the problem.
[10:24] <gatekeeper> Philip5: I will have a good read of the document that you gave me and then have a tink about it. At least I have one full backup I can use if I had to
[10:24] <gatekeeper> Philip5: thanx for the info :-)
[10:25] <nixternal> ahhh
[10:25] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: i know your problem
[10:25] <nixternal> ready
[10:25] <Silver_Adept> Go.
[10:25] <nixternal> follow along
[10:25] <nixternal> here we go ;)
[10:26] <nixternal> "Kmenu > System Settings > Sound & Multimedia"     under General Tab in Sound System, UNCHECK "Enable the sound system" which would disable it...click apply and enjoy teamspeak ;)
[10:26] <Silver_Adept> And now it'll work, ya say...
[10:27] <nixternal> does for me...we just did all these teamspeak issues for the Ubuntu Developer's Summit in Paris
[10:27] <nixternal> and everyone else really
[10:27] <Silver_Adept> A winner is you. Many thanks, little goblins.
[10:27] <nixternal> lol
[10:27] <nixternal> i almost forgot about that issue
[10:27] <nixternal> it wasn't until you brought up teamspeak you toggled the toilet handle in my head ;)
[10:28] <nixternal> flushed out all the bad, and brought in the good ;)
[10:28] <Silver_Adept> Many thank-yous. Will my audio players (like amaroK) still work?
[10:28] <nixternal> yes
[10:28] <nixternal> but your system sound will not
[10:29] <nixternal> like the start up noise
[10:29] <Silver_Adept> Oh, darn. *snaps fingers.*
[10:29] <nixternal> you can enable it after using teamspeak if you need those sounds anyways
[10:29] <nixternal> haha
[10:29] <Silver_Adept> Is that somewehre on a FAQ or the wiki and I just didn't find it?
[10:29] <chrisdarby> can anyone help me install libxine-extracodecs? i can't get it to work!
[10:29] <nixternal> no..but there will be now so i can feed it to ubotu
[10:30] <nixternal> nice name TheHighChild
[10:30] <Silver_Adept> Thanks. Of course, then there's this tiny issue with CUPS... (*snicker*)
[10:30] <nixternal> what printer?
[10:30] <Silver_Adept> HP PSC 750.
[10:30] <nixternal> CUPS is beyond tiny issue for most..except me
[10:30] <nixternal> omg
[10:30] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: i use it that same printer
[10:30] <nixternal> select HPIJS drivers in cups and enjoy
[10:31] <nixternal> cups is really slow
[10:31] <patch> hello all
[10:31] <nixternal> hey patch
[10:32] <Silver_Adept> ...little more fundamental than that - supposedly, Ubuntu can't talk to CUPS.
[10:32] <patch> could anyone help me with a horrifically simple permissions question
[10:32] <nixternal> why can't it talk to CUPS?   do you get a specific error Silver_Adept?
[10:32] <nixternal> shoot patch
[10:32] <Chousuke> Not before you present it :)
[10:32] <nixternal> hehe
[10:32] <zardoz> nixternal:  did you say amarok and teamspeak play nice with eachother?
[10:32] <nixternal> FluxLover in a KDE channel ;)
[10:32] <patch> i have a fat32 partition but it is owned by root and i need to change it so i can read write it
[10:33] <nixternal> they play nice for me zardoz
[10:33] <zardoz> at the same time?
[10:33] <nixternal> ummm..why would you do it at the same time?
[10:33] <zardoz> why not :P
[10:33] <chrisdarby> patch: have you tried chmod?
[10:33] <nixternal> how do you hear the other people?
[10:33] <zardoz> I can get one or the other, but not at the same time :P
[10:33] <nixternal> chown -R patch:patch fat32
[10:33] <patch> yeah i have been trying chmod and chown but i cant seem to make it work
[10:34] <zardoz> very low music vol.
[10:34] <nixternal> sudo chown -R username:group directory
[10:34] <nixternal> zardoz: i have never tried at the same time
[10:34] <Chousuke> patch: you need to set an umask in fstab
[10:34] <zardoz> I was just checking anyways :P
[10:34] <Silver_Adept> Yeah. the error is... "Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running."
[10:34] <Chousuke> chown -R probably doesn't work :)
[10:34] <patch> umask ?
[10:34] <Chousuke> yes.
[10:34] <Chousuke> as a mount option
[10:34] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: did you do a dist-upgrade?
[10:35] <Chousuke> like umask=000 = free for all :P
[10:35] <patch> ok
[10:35] <Silver_Adept> Dist-upgrade? As in, when the update manager said "Ooh! New version available", I said "Okay, do it"?
[10:35] <tnt2> hey, one question: is 192.168.1.255 representing my whole LAN?
[10:35] <nixternal> like...upgraded from Breezy to Dapper dist-upgrade ;)
[10:35] <nixternal> yes tnt
[10:35] <Silver_Adept> That's the one.
[10:35] <nixternal> tnt2: 192.168.1.255 = broadcast
[10:35] <tnt2> nixternal: I'm in firestarter
[10:36] <patch> so under options shall i leave defaults and add "umask=000" ?
[10:36] <patch> or remove defaults
[10:36] <zardoz> I was about to say 255 is the broadcast..
[10:36] <gatekeeper> Silver_Adept: did you loose any applications on the way eg Open Office
[10:36] <nixternal> 192.168.1.0 = network
[10:36] <Chousuke> let it be "defaults,umask=000"
[10:36] <nixternal> 192.168.1.1 = gateway
[10:36] <Chousuke> I think that should work
[10:36] <nixternal> 255.255.255.0 = netmask
[10:36] <nixternal> and your ip is up to you ;)
[10:37] <Silver_Adept> OO won't print, yes, but I didn't "lose" it in the sense of it disappearing.
[10:37] <Raf> hello all, I-m having some troubles with my hard disk, it hangs every certain minutes. is there a way to repair some HD sectors or diagnose my HD in linux?
[10:37] <tnt2> nixternal: and I want to create a new rule... to permit traffic from my LAN, and I put 255 at the end... is this correct?
[10:37] <Chousuke> I think you need something like 192.168.0.0/24 in firestarter
[10:37] <patch> and that is all then?
[10:37] <Chousuke> patch: it gives everyone full read-write access though.
[10:37] <tnt2> Chousuke: oh, i see
[10:37] <serenity> does anyone of u use knemo?
[10:37] <nixternal> ummm....i don't know about 255...maybe the .0....you could try both..im not at all familiar with firestarter
[10:37] <chrisdarby> can anyone help me install a firewire soundcard?
[10:37] <Chousuke> patch: should work, after you remount the volume
[10:37] <patch> ok thanks very much.
[10:38] <Chousuke> I'm not sure though.
[10:38] <tnt2> nixternal: maybe .0/10 would work ok
[10:38] <nixternal> i would do the 0/24 truthfully..as that will cover an entire C 192.168.1 domain
[10:39] <nixternal> subnet i should say ;)
[10:39] <nixternal> network too
[10:39] <Raf> hoe can I diagnose my hard disk in linux?
[10:39] <tnt2> Chousuke: I'm opening 137 and 139 ports (Samba) to allow incoming traffic from all my other PC in the network
[10:39] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: sorry..lost you for a second..so you are saying you did do a dist-upgrade then?
[10:39] <patch> hmmm. that didnt seem to do it
[10:39] <Silver_Adept> I did, yes.
[10:40] <nixternal> argh...i wish that wasn't an option truthfully...as everyone but a select few have done it w/o issues
[10:40] <nixternal> !dist-upgrade
[10:40] <ubotu> I know nothing about dist-upgrade
[10:40] <nixternal> !upgrade
[10:40] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[10:40] <patch> do you think rebooting might make any difference
[10:40] <gatekeeper> Silver_Adept: are your mail / news reader settings etc retained?
[10:41] <Silver_Adept> All my Firefox bookmarks came through, as did my amaroK database.
[10:41] <arcturus> Raf: fdisk -l
[10:41] <gatekeeper> mail??
[10:41] <nixternal> everythin in ~/ was probably retained...
[10:41] <Silver_Adept> Yep.
[10:42] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[10:42] <nixternal> do you get an error?
[10:42] <Raf> arcturus: colud repair my HD using fdisk -l?
[10:43] <arcturus> Raf:  what's wrong with the HD?
[10:43] <patch> oops, acidentally quite
[10:43] <Silver_Adept> Nope, no error.
[10:43] <Raf> arcturus, my HD get frezee every certain minutes
[10:43] <gatekeeper> nixternal: when I tried a dist-upgrade I had to reinstall Open Office and I wasn't sure what else I lost, still got a version of breezy on my test box so when I have time I will do a backup then upgrade and see what I get
[10:43] <patch> so changing that fstab didnt fix this ownership problem
[10:44] <MetaMorfoziS> rlz
[10:44] <Raf> arcturus, well, my  pc freezes
[10:44] <nixternal> i just make a main folder in ~/ that way there i just back that up to the network...i always install fresh..as i have never been a fan of upgrading the whole system
[10:44] <arcturus> Raf: could be any number of things ... failing drive, bad drivers, poor power supply
[10:44] <Raf> arcturus, I have tested my RAM, it works perfectly, when Im not using that HD, my compter works perfect
[10:44] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: if you didn't get an error..see if you can get into cups now
[10:45] <arcturus> Raf:  try another HD
[10:45] <gatekeeper> nixternal: is there a way to just backup kmail knode and wallet settings / info?
[10:45] <Raf> arcturus, right now, Im using gentoo live CD because i don-t have another HD, my HD runs with kubuntu
[10:46] <Raf> arcturus, could help trying the same HD in another computer?
[10:46] <nixternal> yes gatekeeper...it is all stored under ~/.kde/share/apps/  kmail for kmail   knotes for knotes    and kwallet for kwallet
[10:47] <Silver_Adept> The CUPS web interface? It loads. The KDE printer tool... borks.
[10:47] <drew3> What is the oercentage of sucessfull upgrade from breezy to dapper. I spent a LOT of time customizing kde for someone with poor eyesight,  Can't get the damn thing to print, and wonder if Daper might be a better way to go.
[10:47] <Raf> arcturus: the drivers of my HD aren-t the problem cause the same thing happen in windows
[10:48] <Raf> arcturus, how can I know if this is due to poor power supply or failing drive?
[10:48] <zardoz> raf
[10:48] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: you could always try            sudo apt-get --purge remove cupsys                   and then when that completes, try                 sudo apt-get install cupsys
[10:48] <zardoz> what brand HD is it
[10:48] <Raf> zardoz, Samsung
[10:48] <nixternal> maybe that will get rid of the bad, and bring in the new ;)
[10:48] <arcturus> Raf: you can try in another machine but honestly the best thing is just get another drive
[10:48] <arcturus> Raf:  HD's are cheap
[10:49] <arcturus> besides, always nice to have an extra laying around
[10:49] <Raf> arcturus, in Mexico it isn-t cheap
[10:49] <Silver_Adept> Will it also go grab the right HP stuff?
[10:50] <zardoz> Raf: http://www.samsung.com/Products/HardDiskDrive/utilities/hutil.htm
[10:50] <nixternal> it should Silver_Adept
[10:50] <Raf> arcturus, well, it is not easy to get 90 USD, really
[10:50] <arcturus> Raf: sorry to hear that
[10:50] <nixternal> also, by doing that it will remove kubuntu-dekstop
[10:50] <arcturus> http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4116853
[10:50] <nixternal> so as soon as it is done, make sure you sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:50] <arcturus> $80 for 300 gigs, but only in US
[10:51] <andrisp> hello.. how can i make my own menus in kicker panel next to Kmenu ? is there an applet for that ?
[10:51] <gatekeeper> thanx nixternalI I will give that a try, I have always worried about saving and restoring those directories may in some way damage the new install, but if that is the way to go that is what I will do. Thanx :-)
[10:51] <zardoz> arcturus: I think compusa has a 200GB for 49 bucks
[10:51] <nixternal> it won't damage a new install...i back up my entire ~/.kde/share/apps directory when i do a reinstall
[10:51] <arcturus> zardoz: if there's a rebate I'm not interested
[10:52] <nixternal> what i have been doing with some of those directories, is running them off of a usb stick
[10:52] <Raf> zardoz, thank you, HUTIL is DOS based, right?
[10:52] <nixternal> like ~/.gnupg
[10:52] <zardoz> true, but I think that was walk out
[10:52] <nixternal> that is a link to my stick
[10:52] <gatekeeper> nixternal: cool :-)
[10:52] <arcturus> i doubt it
[10:52] <nixternal> that way there, no matter the computer i get on and email, i can use my gpg key
[10:52] <Silver_Adept> nixternal: When it "started" CUPS, there was no [OK]  confirmation.
[10:53] <nixternal> that was interesting
[10:53] <drew3> "back up my entire ~/.kde/share/apps directory when i do a reinstall"   <- will that save the settings used to increase text size throughout kde?  nixternal
[10:53] <arcturus> zardoz: $40 rebate
[10:53] <Silver_Adept> Aaaand... same CUPS error.
[10:53] <zardoz> arcturus: yeah has a $40 MIR
[10:53] <nixternal> drew3: you could also backup ~/.kde/share/config    as that might be where that is located
[10:54] <arcturus> all compusa 'deals' have rebates
[10:54] <arcturus> making them not really a deal in my mind
[10:54] <nixternal> +1 arcturus
[10:54] <nixternal> i agree with you on that
[10:54] <nixternal> check http://www.newegg.com
[10:54] <zardoz> is that fry's one walk out?
[10:55] <nixternal> if you live in the chicago land area, you always have fry's electronics and tiger direct
[10:55] <arcturus> unfortunately newegg's going more the rebate route too
[10:55] <arcturus> my cousin lives 5 minutes away from Fry's in Phoenix
[10:55] <Silver_Adept> Sorry, nixternal, whatever it was, it didn't work properly... although, the printer control says "localhost:631". Is there anyway to rename that to a specific IP address?
[10:55] <nixternal> sure..you will get rebate on box items usually with newegg or non-oem
[10:55] <gatekeeper> nixternal: I like that idea a lot, having an easy way to either back/restore these settings or quickly transfer then onto my test machine when trying new things out will be extreamly usefull :-)
[10:55] <Raven301> Where in Kubuntu do you add /sbin to your user?? What is the file name?
[10:56] <arcturus> i had to contact my state's attorney general to get a newegg rebate
[10:56] <nixternal> exactly gatekeeper, especially since i do documentation work here, it helps out when i destroy a system trying out tutorials ;)
[10:56] <zardoz> arcturus: dam ahaha...
[10:56] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: does it really matter if it shows localhost or the ip?
[10:56] <gatekeeper> nixternal: :-)
[10:57] <nixternal> mine says localhost
[10:57] <Raf> arcturus, thank you very much
[10:57] <nixternal> localhost = good ;)
[10:57] <Raf> zardoz, thank you very much
[10:57] <Silver_Adept> It does, actually - if I try "localhost:631" in Firefox, it goes to an Azureus add-on. If I use the actual IP, it goes to the CUPS administration page.
[10:57] <arcturus> Raf: sorry I couldn't be of more help
[10:58] <nixternal> localhost:631 goes straight to cups for me...azureus add-on..you might have more of an issue then planned ;(
[10:58] <Silver_Adept> Hrm. Maybe if I remove Azureus, then?
[10:58] <zardoz> arcturus: he needs to run that samsung tool I linked
[10:58] <Raven301> How/Where do I add /sbin to my path in Kubuntu ??
[10:59] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: can you get into "Kmenu > System Settings > Printer" at all now?
[10:59] <Silver_Adept> Yeah. The CUPS error is non-fatal.
[10:59] <nixternal> can you get in and add a printer?
[11:00] <Silver_Adept> The detection mechanism doesn't find the printer.
[11:00] <Silver_Adept> Even though it's there.
[11:01] <gatekeeper> manually in the list?
[11:01] <Silver_Adept> I can't configure the print server, either. It asks for root access and I can't authenticate to it.
[11:02] <nixternal> dueyfinster-away: no away messages please
[11:02] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: you can't put in your password when it asks you to authenticate?
[11:02] <Silver_Adept> It won't take it for the username "root", nor for my username.
[11:03] <Silver_Adept> Even though I'm not in "Administrator Mode"
[11:03] <Silver_Adept> (now, not not.)
[11:04] <Silver_Adept> Hey... wait...
[11:04] <Silver_Adept> ...it found my printer!
[11:04] <nixternal> hehe
[11:04] <Silver_Adept> ...nothing like a clean install, I suppose.
[11:04] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: a clean install with your setup would be flawless
[11:04] <nixternal> ;)
[11:04] <uniq> dueyfinster-away: please disable away message. ref. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines thanks.
[11:04] <Silver_Adept> Since it's your setup, right?
[11:05] <nixternal> i wish there wasn't a way to do dist-upgrade's truthfully w/o pointing them to the wiki that shows them the best way to do it w/o causing issues ;)
[11:05] <Silver_Adept> Now, which is the right one - PSC 750 hpjis or PSC 750?
[11:05] <nixternal> exactly Silver_Adept ;)
[11:05] <nixternal> PSC 750 HPJIS
[11:05] <Silver_Adept> (There's also a 750xi option. What's that?)
[11:05] <nixternal> you will know, because it will error out with the other one
[11:05] <nixternal> i have no clue..i don't see that one in my setup
[11:06] <Silver_Adept> ...well, it worked.
[11:06] <Hawkwind> If one wants to add /sbin to their path, what file exactly do they need to edit within Kubuntu and should it be edited as root user or normal user ?
[11:06] <crimsun> Hawkwind: /sbin/ is in the $PATH by default.
[11:07] <fek> kann mir jemand sagen, wie das tool noch frs systra heit, dass den wlan status in vertikalen balken darstellt?
[11:07] <uniq> fek: #kubuntu-de please.
[11:07] <fek> arhgs, ELAN
[11:07] <fek> sorry
[11:07] <uniq> :)
[11:08] <fek> how was this tool called for the systray, wich shows the wireless lan status in vertical scales?
[11:08] <Hawkwind> Raven301: You see that answer crimsun just gave you
[11:08] <Raven301> crimsun: In what file?
[11:08] <Hawkwind> crimsun: That's what I thought too.  But Raven301 has the question but he can't actually get /sbin/halt to work as normal user
[11:08] <drew3> and is surprised
[11:08] <Hawkwind> drew3: Heh, I was asking for someone else though :P
[11:08] <Silver_Adept> Nixternal, thanks for all your help.
[11:08] <crimsun> Raven301: you shouldn't be calling it as non-root.
[11:08] <nixternal> np Silver_Adept...enjoy!!!
[11:09] <dueyfinster-away> nixternal: uniq: Dodn't know that, from now on, nick I'll just change, with no message, as per: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:09] <Silver_Adept> Another thing for the documents, I suppose.
[11:09] <crimsun> Raven301: /sbin/halt requires superuser privs
[11:09] <Raven301> crimsun: So to shut down my laptop I have to sudo poweroff ?
[11:09] <nixternal> hehe dueyfinster-away..no problem...no harm no foul!!
[11:09] <uniq> dueyfinster-away: thank you very much :)
[11:09] <Silver_Adept> Are there any other things I should worry about breaking because I did the upgrade?
[11:09] <crimsun> Raven301: to shut it down completely? sudo shutdown -h now
[11:09] <uniq> fek: kwireless mayb?
[11:10] <uniq> e
[11:10] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: you will probably run into them as you go along..don't hesitate to come back
[11:10] <crimsun> Raven301: you're not invoking Shut down from within KDE?
[11:10] <dueyfinster-away> nixternal: uniq: no bother, thanks for the tip
[11:10] <Raven301> crimsun: I want to do it without superuser
[11:10] <nixternal> you can always ping! me too
[11:10] <nixternal> if im around i will help you out!!
[11:10] <Raven301> crimsun: I'm in E17
[11:10] <nixternal> arg
[11:10] <gatekeeper> Silver_Adept: at least OO was still installed :-)
[11:10] <nixternal> hehe ya
[11:10] <crimsun> Raven301: you can't do that unless you modify the user/group
[11:10] <fek> uniq: you mean kwirelessmonitor? that's the wrong one
[11:11] <bam_> anyone know whats needed for xine to play dvd's?
[11:11] <Raven301> crimsun: of the command modify the user/group??
[11:11] <uniq> fek: kwireless is a kicker applet that comes with the kwifimanager package.
[11:11] <uniq> fek: one red and one green bar by default.
[11:11] <fek> uniq: ah, cool. i have a look, thanks
[11:11] <Silver_Adept> Aaaand... we're printing! Whoo-hoo! Thanks a bunch!
[11:11] <fek> uniq: yes, that sounds good
[11:12] <crimsun> Raven301: are you aware of the security ramifications?
[11:12] <uniq> fek: i think that's what you're looking for. you're welcome :)
[11:12] <nixternal> haha Silver_Adept glad everything is working..well everything that you can see so far!!
[11:12] <nixternal> haha
[11:12] <Silver_Adept> Glad everything works again.
[11:12] <gatekeeper> bam_: this might help: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[11:12] <Raven301> crimsun: all that someone could do is shutdown my computer? Right
[11:13] <nixternal> !libdvdcss
[11:13] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html. Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:13] <crimsun> Raven301: that's pretty critical.
[11:13] <bam_> keepscool, maybe it applies to breezy
[11:14] <crimsun> Raven301: in any case, you could make it suid root
[11:14] <Silver_Adept> Thanks again, nixternal. You'll see me around again if things continue to go wrong.
[11:14] <Raven301> crimsun: So in KDE I can shutdown or reboot with out superuser. How's that done then?
[11:14] <crimsun> Raven301: because the spawning process already has root privileges.
[11:14] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: well then, i hope to never see you again!!! lol
[11:15] <Silver_Adept> Maybe when I have something to contribute, I'll hang out to help people.
[11:15] <Raven301> crimsun: ok thanks for the info ... I'll have to try and get e17 wm to do the same thing
[11:15] <fek> uniq: you are sure that kwifimanager includes a systray bar?
[11:15] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: you probably have a lot to contribute, just don't realize it yet
[11:15] <nixternal> what you learned today, you can contribute tomorrow :)
[11:16] <Silver_Adept> Especially with the printer stuff.
[11:16] <uniq> fek: yes, /usr/share/apps/kicker/applets/kwireless.desktop is in kwifimanager.
[11:16] <gatekeeper> too right :-)
[11:16] <nixternal> and the teamspeak stuff..because a lot of people come in here with that same exact question
[11:16] <gatekeeper> never too early to start :-)
[11:16] <gnomefreak> who has riddell's 3.5.3 repo handy?
[11:16] <uniq> fek: right click on the panel, to add it.
[11:16] <Raven301> crimsun: btw what is the file for adding to your path??
[11:17] <uniq> gnomefreak: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353 dapper main
[11:17] <fek> uniq: i don't found any one like that
[11:17] <crimsun> Raven301: /sbin/ is already in the default $PATH . Why do you want to add it again?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> uniq: ty
[11:17] <uniq> gnomefreak: /nick kdefreak :)
[11:17] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:17] <gnomefreak> uniq: giv eme  afew i have to reboot ;)
[11:17] <Raven301> crimsun: Ok it's there but what file would it be to edit it ... for learn :)
[11:18] <crimsun> Raven301: a default login (non-ssh) uses /etc/environment
[11:18] <Raven301> s/learn/learning
[11:18] <arso_> people
[11:18] <arso_>  i am looking for a ps2 emulator for linux
[11:18] <uniq> gnomefreak: sure, I'll have to go to bed in a few. Work starts waay to early in the morning.
[11:18] <uniq> arso_: pcsx
[11:19] <uniq> arso_: that's the package name, you'll find it in adept.
[11:19] <monomaniacpat> Can anyone tell me how to install KDE without changing the grub splash to kubuntu?
[11:19] <Raven301> crimsun: thanks ... I was trying to do it in .bash_profile ... Thanks again for all your help
[11:20] <arso_> uniq:  k thnx ;)
[11:20] <Silver_Adept> uniq: Pcsx does PS2 as well?
[11:22] <arso_> uniq:  only finding pcsx for ps1, wat about ps2
[11:22] <gatekeeper> monomaniacpat: without doing sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[11:22] <bam_> anyone know where I can get libdvdcss2?
[11:22] <uniq> arso_: oh, only pcsx1 in the repos, you'll find pcsx2 on google somewhere.
[11:22] <arso_> uniq:  oh ok,
[11:22] <ubuntu> moro
[11:22] <arso_> coz on their main sites
[11:22] <Silver_Adept> Does that actually work fully now?
[11:23] <arso_> it seems ot be for windows
[11:23] <Kubuntu> Hi
[11:23] <Hawkwind> bam_: You need the restricted formats stuff added
[11:23] <arso_> not linux
[11:23] <bam_> got-it
[11:23] <Hawkwind> !restricted
[11:23] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:23] <Kubuntu> first time when i use Linux
[11:23] <Silver_Adept> bam_: That's nonfree software, and potentially illegal to have, as I recall.
[11:23] <fek> uniq: ah, i found it. thanks
[11:23] <Kubuntu> HELLO!!
[11:25] <uniq> arso_: you'll have to get the source code, and compile it yourself. Maybe not a very easy task. I haven't tried it lately.
[11:25] <uniq> fek: great :)
[11:25] <uniq> nite.
[11:25] <monomaniacpat> gatekeeper: I don't know. Just when I was running breezy I installed all the KDE stuff using an install cd and lost the ubuntu splash in grub
[11:26] <fek> uniq: i love this toolbar... all informations i need in a small place ;)
[11:26] <fek> uniq: and it keeps you allways informed when you travel :)
[11:27] <Silver_Adept> monomaniacpat: When you say "ubuntu splash" does that mean the graphic that displays when you boot that shows the system as it starts up?
[11:28] <Silver_Adept> Or a different splash screen that happens before (or while) you boot grub?
[11:28] <gatekeeper> monomaniacpat: probable need to ask one of the others, when ever I have wanted a new window manager I have used apt-get and it has sorted it out for me
[11:29] <chahibi> Can anyone here checks if http://www.unicode.org/iuc/iuc10/x-utf8.html  works for him in Konqueror better than http://perso.menara.ma/yollnet/snapshot1.jpg ?
[11:29] <monomaniacpat> Silver_Adept: yes you are correct
[11:30] <Silver_Adept> That was an either/or question. Is it the splash while the system boots up?
[11:31] <monomaniacpat> yes
[11:31] <Silver_Adept> If I recall correctly, there's a package in the database that's the splash screens.
[11:32] <raf> hello again... I got borrowed a Hardisk, i want to boot from that disk, but I have installed GRUB on my first HD (kubuntu), how can I grub such a way that boot from the two hard disk
[11:32] <raf> _
[11:32] <raf> ?
[11:33] <nixternal> sudo apt-get --purge usplash          |            when completed                |               sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop usplash
[11:33] <khaije1> ya usplash
[11:33] <Silver_Adept> Ah, thank you, nixternal. I knew there was one there.
[11:33] <nixternal> probably won't work...but it is worth a try ;)
[11:33] <khaije1> Silver_Adept: you can always combine with the '&&' conditional
[11:34] <Silver_Adept> What does '&&' do?
[11:34] <khaije1> it's a logic gate where a single line reads.... cmd1 && cmd2
[11:34] <gatekeeper> do this and do that
[11:35] <khaije1> cmd2 executes if and only if cmd1 executes with no errors
[11:35] <Silver_Adept> That's neat. I guess I don't understand where that advice comes from?
[11:35] <khaije1> it can simplify repetative tasks like building from make files
[11:36] <khaije1> oh just becuase you suggested waiting... this command makes it that much more possible to walk away from your computer and strech your legs during long sequences of commands
[11:36] <khaije1> :-)
[11:36] <khaije1> it's the little stuff
[11:36] <khaije1> btw i rule b/c i just came from an RMS speech, i heart RMS
[11:37] <gatekeeper> khaije1: when you are doing apt-get installs?
[11:37] <khaije1> he's in baltimore, md speaking at a radical book fair
[11:37] <Silver_Adept> RMS being?
[11:38] <raf> how can I install grub from Kubuntu to another HD?
[11:38] <khaije1> gatekeeper: you can do it with anything it's different from just using ';' because w/ '&&' it will stop execution if there is some problem
[11:38] <khaije1> Silver_Adept: Richard Stallman :-)
[11:38] <gatekeeper> khaije1: cool learn something new every day, only used in a code (programming) enviroment
[11:39] <khaije1> hehe , hth
[11:39] <Silver_Adept> Got it, khaije1. the && string works in a terminal sort of environment, huh?
[11:39] <gatekeeper> khaije1: thanx
[11:39] <khaije1> Silver_Adept: ya it's one of those neat things about bash
[11:40] <Silver_Adept> What would I actually use it for, other than the apt pairings that you've been showing?
[11:40] <khaije1> i do 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install foobar' all the time
[11:41] <Silver_Adept> For those times when Synaptic doesn't do.
[11:41] <khaije1> it's also good for building from make files './configure && make && sudo make install'
[11:41] <monomaniacpat> nixternal: can you please give those instructions again, so I can retain the UBUNTU (not KUBUNTU) splash?
[11:42] <Silver_Adept> Makes sense - although an end-user non-hacker like myself is discouraged from ever needing configure or make.
[11:42] <khaije1> or if your connecting via ssh, for example if you wanted to re-install X or if a program hung your X server or if a particular machine runs headless :-)
[11:42] <Silver_Adept> All very good reasons.
[11:44] <khaije1> Silver_Adept: you should never be afraid to expirement on linux, thats half the fun, just build so that you can recover and data or settings you need, in particular this is one thing that is very exciting about xen, i can't wait to setup my lvirtual machine lab environment :-D
[11:44] <gatekeeper> khaije1: I have always shyed away from trying to compile linux apps because of the ball-ache of dependencies, does buildessntials and checkinstall remove most of those problems?
[11:44] <raf> how can I install grub from Kubuntu HD to winme HD, I want to boot  from two HD, but I need to disconnect the first (where grub is installed right now) in order to boot from second HD
[11:45] <Silver_Adept> Kubuntu's on one disc and WinME on the other?
[11:45] <khaije1> gatekeeper: many of them but not necessarily all, but reviewing the output of the /.configure scripts will tell you what is needed and from there the trickest thing is determining the right package to apt-get... i've never needed to spend more than 15 minutes looking, it's *always* in repository but doens't always have the same name
[11:45] <jb_> hello, can someone pls help me with wlan (orinoco) ?
[11:47] <Silver_Adept> That's good, but then how do you tell something like configure where the real thing is? I've had trouble with that before - got what I needed, but it was a different name.
[11:47] <zblach> hey, in dapper, how does one configure katapult?
[11:47] <raf> Silver_Adept: yes, My kubuntu HD got quasi-damaged, It has grub, I have another HD with winME but it doesn't have any boot loader
[11:47] <Silver_Adept> More fundamental question: what is Katapault?
[11:47] <khaije1> jb_: you should just ask your question, we are listening and will respond if we can help...
[11:48] <raf> Silver_Adept: Katapult is a system tio launch application in a easy manner
[11:48] <gatekeeper> khaije1: good stuff, figured ./configure would still bitch at me. I probable know enough now to try it again if I ever needed to thanx :-)
[11:48] <Silver_Adept> raf: I don't know if it's still maintained, but I once tried to use a program called XOSL to boot between OS. When I left it, to boot to a Linux partition, the partition needed to be on a separate hard drive.
[11:48] <raf> Silver_Adept: to run it press Alt+Space start typing some application name and katapult shows its icon, press enter, and launch the application
[11:48] <Silver_Adept> Oh.
[11:49] <jb_> my wlan-card (dwl 660 with orinoco chipset) is not working. it recognizes the accesspoint, but with dhcp no ip is assigned. and with static ip, no connect is poosible
[11:49] <raf> Silver_Adept: what I want is boot normally, but If i want to boot from second disk, just disconnect first one
[11:49] <Silver_Adept> I could download XOSL and install it from a floppy disc or CD. Grub, though, I would think, also has such "recovery disk" abilities.
[11:50] <vincent_> jb try ifgonfig "device" down, then ifconfig "device" up
[11:50] <raf> Silver_Adept: i dont know what happen i can mount floppy
[11:50] <raf> Silver_Adept: I can't mount floppy
[11:50] <vincent_> it works for me somtimes
[11:50] <Silver_Adept> Does the WinME disk work okay?
[11:51] <jb_> vincent_- tried that already, also tried blacklisting hostap_cs
[11:51] <raf> Silver_Adept: yes, work ok, but I cant  boot from it cause it has not any boot loader
[11:51] <raf> Silver_Adept: the boot loader is installed in kubuntu HD
[11:51] <|lostbyte|> hi ! all..
[11:52] <gatekeeper> evening :-)
[11:52] <vincent_> jb have you tried to re-install the device drivers?
[11:52] <jb_> any ideas someone? :(
[11:52] <Silver_Adept> raf: Have you tried changing your BIOS settings so that it boots the winME drive before the Linux one?
[11:52] <|lostbyte|> Hi ! all
[11:52] <raf> Silver_Adept: due to I want to boot from winME without the first disk (disconnected), I can't boot from second disc
[11:52] <raf> Silver_Adept: mmm, that's a good idea :D
[11:52] <jb_> which? the orinoco-support is built in in kubuntu, it is not with ndiswrapper
[11:53] <raf> Silver_Adept: Im going to try configuring the boot
[11:53] <khaije1> gatekeeper: one of my favorite things with linux is testing the limits of my understanding with wacky experiments like cat'ing one device to another, or security research, it's fun
[11:53] <raf> Silver_Adept: the bios
[11:53] <Silver_Adept> That will at least get to to the other drive.
[11:53] <raf> Silver_Adept: mmm, but if the two hard disk are in the same IDE?
[11:54] <raf> Silver_Adept: first master, second salve
[11:54] <raf> Silver_Adept: slave
[11:54] <Silver_Adept> Not a problem - the BIOS should be able to change the order. Unless the drives are jumpered to be Master/slave.
[11:54] <raf> Silver_Adept: really???
[11:54] <Silver_Adept> Then you'll probably change that to cable select and put them in the right cable order to help your BIOS.
[11:54] <Silver_Adept> Yep.
[11:55] <jb_> does anybody know a good source/howto for getting orinoco_cs started with dapper?
[11:55] <raf> Silver_Adept: change the two hard disks to cable select?
[11:56] <gatekeeper> khaije1: summer has finally arrived here so I try to get out as much as I can, but I have a test box and when the weather closes in I will want to start trying various things on that. I came in hear to try and contribute where I can, and also learn by seeing how people fix various problems.
[11:56] <Silver_Adept> You can do that - it should be one of the jumper options on the physical disks themselves, raf.
[11:56] <raf> Silver_Adept: Yes, I know how to change the jumper settings
[11:56] <jb_> is anybody in here who got a wlan card with orinoco chipset running under dapper?
[11:57] <raf> Silver_Adept: my question was if I need to put cable select in two HD's or just in one of them?
[11:57] <gatekeeper> Silver_Adept: doesn't just need to change grub to boot WinMe?
[11:57] <|lostbyte|> jb_, there are for breezy, but none i can see for dapper.
[11:57] <raf> gatekeeper: yes, but I need to disconnect the fistt hard drive
[11:57] <Silver_Adept> Both. And unless grub's been configured beforehand, probably not.
[11:58] <gatekeeper> ok :-)
[11:58] <Silver_Adept> Sorry, got to run.
[11:58] <Silver_Adept> (If he's got the WinME partition in GRUB, sure he can change it, but only if GRUB knows.)
[11:58] <Silver_Adept> Anyway, ciao.
[11:58] <raf> Silver_Adept: Any problem if hard disk is in the IDE's middle connector or in the IDE's final connector?
[11:59] <|lostbyte|> raf, YEs !
[11:59] <flashpc> hello
[11:59] <Silver_Adept> I think cables work so that the middle one is primary and the end on is secondary... I thin.
[11:59] <|lostbyte|> raf, you got to tell you grub and fstab of the change.
[11:59] <jb_> are there other irc-channels one could ask?
[12:00] <sysbob> have anyone here successfully setup wpa wireless networking on ubuntu/linux?
[12:00] <|lostbyte|> jb_, there is wireless, networking channels..
[12:00] <raf> |lostbyte|: no, because I will disconnect the linux hard drive
[12:01] <raf> |lostbyte|: any case, thank you for response
[12:01] <jb_> so, it is join #wireless?
[12:01] <sysbob> what are those channelnaes
[12:01] <crimsun> sysbob: on ipw2195abg and wpa supplicant directly (no network-manager), yes
[12:01] <|lostbyte|> sysbob, ubuntu wiki has an intresting walkthrought..
[12:01] <sysbob> ty
[12:01] <|lostbyte|> raf, huh ! ok.. no problem.. jus tell your grub.. thats it..
[12:01] <gatekeeper> got to go thanx nixternal and khaije1 for your words of wisdom :-)
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> sysbob: wpa_supplicant with madwifi / madwifi-ng and the opensource rewrite for ralink
[12:02] <sysbob> i installed wpasupplicant, but the howto refer to it in the /etc/sbin dir but it's not there after i did a sudo apt-get install wpa_supplicant
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> gatekeeper, tc :)
[12:02] <gatekeeper> |lostbyte|: tc :-)
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> sysbob: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes
[12:02] <gatekeeper> keep up the good work folks :-)
[12:02] <khaije1> :-)
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, its.. wpa_supplicant command.
[12:03] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: That isn't where the doc's are though
[12:03] <sysbob> well where is wpa_supplicant located after install? how cna i locate it? i tried a find wpasuplicant | grep wpasupplicant and it didnt show up
[12:03] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, and its in.. /sbin/wpa_supplicant
[12:04] <|lostbyte|> sysbob, try with sudo ^^^6
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: You shouldn't run it directly though that doc explains perfectly how to setup wpa_supplicant from /etc/network/interfaces
[12:05] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, trust is i didt really use it, just read it. planing to switch to it.. near future..
[12:05] <|lostbyte|> truth*
[12:07] <crimsun> it's pretty straightforward to configure through e/n/i