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[03:03] <sladen> asdf
[03:05] <Fujitsu> ghjkl;
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[03:51] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:02] <bddebian> Any idea why gdl wasn't merged/synced?
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[06:20] <irvin> hello! is there a command line equivalent of Synaptic's `generate download script` ?
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[01:20] <sivang> re all
[01:21] <ajmitch> hi sivang 
[01:21] <sivang> hey ajmitch 
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=== sivang is making his two specs are in shape for hopefully final review tomorrow
[01:21] <sivang> hey lfittl :)
[01:22] <lfittl> hi sivang :)
=== sivang expreimented dist-upgrading including ubuntu-desktop on his edgy chroot, all is good, so going to do this on the laptop now
[01:23] <jsgotangco> hi
=== lfittl is also doing this right now, it's nice that there are no big transitions for edgy
[01:26] <Hobbsee> hi all
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[01:28] <sivang> lfittl: not YET :-)
[01:28] <lfittl> sivang: right :D
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[01:34] <sivang> hey Hobbsee 
[01:35] <Hobbsee> hi sivang 
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=== sivang dist-upgrades
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[03:06] <slomo> doko_: what happened to python-gdbm?
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[03:21] <slomo> doko_: oh nevermind... it's just python-stdlib-extensions that is missing in ubuntu, probably in NEW ;)
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[03:39] <bddebian> Hello
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[04:22] <Whoopie> Hi, who could acknowledge crimsun's upload to dapper-updates for bug 38272? Thanks a lot!
[04:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38272 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse "option EmulateWheelTimeout not working" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38272
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[04:42] <sivang> slomo: I also noticed these packages were missing dependencies :)
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[05:31] <asac> iwj: ping ... I need a patch :)
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[06:06] <shadeofgrey> hi guys..  i have a non supportr related question...
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[06:07] <shadeofgrey> has anybody addressed the fact that theres a new version of openoffice that updates the entire thing from ver 2.0.2 to 2.0.3? i ask because the update is huge -- it addresses a lot oif critical problems and needs to be added to the update system ASAP.  whos the best person to talk to about an official request?
[06:15] <BenC> shadeofgrey: Saying the update "is huge" is a sure way of keeping out of updates :)
[06:17] <shadeofgrey> BenC:  whats the most effective means of getting the new version installed?
[06:18] <fabbione> shadeofgrey: in edgy it will probably be a natural update
[06:18] <BenC> in dapper, it probably wont happen
[06:18] <fabbione> in dapper, it needs a lot of work. 
[06:18] <fabbione> as BenC says
[06:19] <shadeofgrey> BenC:  the rewason its so important to me is because im physically handicapped and the new versionm adds some really key accessibility options notr available in any of the older versions and finally allows for external use of other accessibility applications that would increase my overall productivity
[06:19] <bddebian> Doesn't ltmain.sh determine the libtool libraries?
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[06:19] <shadeofgrey> see this is something i dont understand. why do i have to wait for an entirely new version of ubuntu before upgrades of key applications are made possible?
[06:19] <fabbione> shadeofgrey: the correct procedure is to file a bug in LP.
[06:20] <gnomefreak> build it ;)
[06:20] <BenC> shadeofgrey: because if we didn't have such restrictions there would never be a "released" ubuntu
[06:20] <fabbione> shadeofgrey: because a stable release is not developed anylonger.
[06:20] <shadeofgrey> certainly it cant be that hard to build debs that update the version by a single revision numberr
[06:20] <fabbione> shadeofgrey: otherwise it wouldn't be stable
[06:20] <fabbione> shadeofgrey: it involves much more work than you think
[06:21] <fabbione> shadeofgrey: anyway do as i said and file a bug asking for backport
[06:21] <gnomefreak> shadeofgrey: i think the biggest thing is aadding something unstable to a stable release
[06:21] <fabbione> shadeofgrey: otherwise absolutely nothing will happen
[06:21] <BenC> shadeofgrey: the version number isn't an issue, it's the amount of testing that needs to be done to make sure we don't break things for everybody
[06:22] <shadeofgrey> aleight then how about this...  what if i volunteered to be a dedicated tester of the new release by offering my machine up for the necessary tresting.  when i find bugs then i report them to you guys...
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[06:23] <shadeofgrey> id actually really like to do that if its possible.  it'd be a great way for me to give back to the ubuntu community as a whole
[06:23] <shadeofgrey> is there siomeone here that would be able to talk me through how to manually do the update ifd i download the appropriate archives and decompress them?
[06:24] <gnomefreak> shadeofgrey: i would say id build it but i cant build it against dapper
[06:24] <fabbione> shadeofgrey: the point is you will never be able to cover all test cases that a large userbse does. In any case the problem remain. IF you need a new version (independently from the reason) you need to start filing a bug in LP
[06:24] <shadeofgrey> what is LP by the way?
[06:24] <gnomefreak> launchpad
[06:24] <gnomefreak> launchpad.net
[06:24] <shadeofgrey> okay..  how does one file a bug through launchpad?
[06:25] <fabbione> shadeofgrey: open LP and follow the links
[06:25] <gnomefreak> shadeofgrey: in systemtools ther eis a bug report tool
[06:25] <mdke> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[06:25] <mdke> that should have everything
[06:26] <shadeofgrey> okay and by the way...
[06:27] <shadeofgrey> i wasnt kidding when i said that im willing to be a guinea pig for new versions of the applications i use most.
[06:27] <shadeofgrey> and im very anal retentive and meticulolus with documenting problems...  
[06:27] <fabbione> shadeofgrey: we do understand and appreciate. The problem doesn't change. You just can't cover all test cases.
[06:27] <gnomefreak> shadeofgrey: easiest way to do that is in a few weeks test edgy ;)
[06:27] <fabbione> shadeofgrey: including testing the suite on all supported architectures
[06:27] <shadeofgrey> okay that was  ging to be my next questiuon
[06:28] <shadeofgrey> i have a 3rd harddisk that i was using to test dapper
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[06:29] <shadeofgrey> and when my primary drive with winxp on it got majorlyt fubared by a trojan i threw the newest version of dapper into my CD drive and created a new installation on my primary disk - wiping out windows...  how do i completely dump the test version of dapper i have on that thirdf disk and replace it with edgy?
[06:29] <shadeofgrey> because wheni installed dapper on my porimary disk grub failed to create a listing for the other installation of the tesst releSE of dapper onm my third disk
[06:29] <gnomefreak> shadeofgrey: upgrade it by changign the sources.list to point to edgy and upgrade
[06:30] <shadeofgrey> but  i cant boot into the version of dapper onm my third disk becausde grub didnt create a link to it in the bootloader i put into the mbr of my primary disk
[06:30] <shadeofgrey> can i just download an iso of edgy and install it via CD?
[06:30] <gnomefreak> not yet
[06:31] <gnomefreak> unless ben is hiding them ;)
[06:31] <shadeofgrey> okay then  i guess ill wait until the first ISO comes out
[06:32] <shadeofgrey> well then heres my next question..  when i go to install edgy how do i keep it from creating another version of grub in the mbr of the third diskj where i intend to install the test release of edgy when its available?
[06:32] <gnomefreak> thats better asked in #ubuntu
[06:32] <gnomefreak> or ubuntu+1
[06:32] <shadeofgrey> okay well
[06:33] <shadeofgrey> i guess the answer doesnt matter until theres sdomething to install... though i suppose i could just install dapper AGAIN on the third disk and then just ereplace the sources.list file with edgy sources
[06:33] <shadeofgrey> thats probably the easiest way huh
[06:33] <shadeofgrey> ...yeah
[06:34] <shadeofgrey> okayt thanks for your time guys
[06:34] <shadeofgrey> ill get the hell out of youre way now
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[07:28] <Gman> anyone know how i can easily debug a sound problem on dapper?
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[07:30] <sivang> Gman: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[07:30] <Gman> thanks
[07:30] <sivang> Gman: hope this helps :)
[07:31] <Gman> i'm sure it will
[07:31] <Gman> just need a rough idea of where i need to go
[07:31] <sivang> cool
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[07:33] <Gman> sivang, sweet, works now, thanks heaps
[07:33] <Rinchen> Greetings Devs:  New spec in the wild: Enable CFQ by Default.  Details here:  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/cfq-by-default
[07:33] <Gman> was the master surround that needed to be unmuted
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[07:38] <licio> I have one question, ubuntu resize ntfs partition?
[07:38] <mjg59> Yes
[07:38] <licio> right
[07:38] <sivang> Gman: cool!
[07:39] <licio> mjg59, desktop-cd?
[07:39] <licio> or alternate? 
[07:39] <licio> both?
[07:39] <licio> :)
[07:40] <robitaille> both should do it  (but I have only done it with the alternate)
[07:41] <mjg59> Both
[07:41] <sivang> licio: I have done it over a T43p with the desktop-cd
[07:42] <sivang> licio: worked nicely, only stopping the Access IBM stuff from working, and for this as well there is a bug report and a workaround somewhere
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[07:43] <sivang> anyway, going off for some time
[07:43] <sivang> latersall
[07:43] <sivang> laters all, eve
[07:44] <sivang> even
[07:44] <sivang> err
[07:44] <sivang> :-)
[07:44] <licio> sivang, yes.. :)
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[07:45] <licio> I'm write one article for linux-magazine brazil
[07:45] <licio> :)
[07:46] <hunger> licio: nick.
[07:47] <hunger> s/nick/nice/.
[07:48] <sivang> licio: oh cool!
[07:49] <sivang> licio: You can always mentione there were a bunch of nice people on #ubuntu-devel willing to help you on your questions :)
[07:49] <sivang> anyway, I'm really off now.
[07:49] <hunger> sivang: Now that is nice: "people will help you... aehm... I got to run";-)
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[07:50] <sivang> hunger: hehe, sorry
[07:50] <sivang> hunger: workrave is already shouting at me for having too much machine time :)
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[07:51] <licio> sivang, right.. but I had just one question.. I don't have partitions ntfs... :)
[07:51] <licio> sivang, hugs
[07:52] <licio> and thanks ;)
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[08:18] <Chipzz> hrrrm I know this is probably more of a #ubuntu kind of question, but can I install ubuntu-server with the ubuntu-desktop install (not live) cd too?
[08:25] <neuralis> Chipzz: yes.
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[08:52] <Chipzz> neuralis: thx
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[11:32] <tseng> pitti: can you please re-review MainInclusionReportXsp?
[11:33] <tseng> pitti: ReportXSP that is
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