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mgalvinanyone around?06:31
LaserJockkinda06:37
mgalvinhey LaserJock, i was just looking for another set of eyes to review UWN #5 before i send it out if you have tim06:39
mgalvintime06:39
nixternalif you don't LaserJock i can look at it06:43
LaserJockwhat's the URL?06:44
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue506:44
mgalvini just finished some last minute tweaks so it should be mostly the finial version, i am just half asleep now and more eyes help :)06:46
nixternal4 projects for the marketing team..but you won't see the 4th until it is done..and that is the wiki makeover ;)06:46
mgalvin:)06:47
mgalvinjenda wrote that bit anyway06:47
nixternalmgalvin: you will get an earload of jenda doesn't make it in there for making Ubuntu Member06:47
nixternalhahahaha06:47
nixternaloh wow...cds and stickers and i haven't gotten mine yet...now i am really mad ;)06:48
mgalvin:) i know, i can't wait till mine get here06:49
nixternalwhere are you from mgalvin?06:50
LaserJockI got mine in Paris ;-)06:51
nixternali just got word from 1, yes 1 person in the US, he got his Kubuntu stickers...the day shipit opened i put my stuff in..and i still haven't gotten anything...plus this guy is the first in the US that i know of06:52
LaserJockheh06:53
nixternalnot stickers06:53
nixternalcd's06:53
nixternaland he said his didn't come with stickers06:53
nixternalcosmolax: those t-shirts are sweet!!!06:55
Plug_mgalvin: do you want random small grammatical edits, like inserting commas?06:55
mgalvinPlug_: sure, go for it06:55
mgalvinthanks for you help guys, let me know when your done son i can send it out06:56
mgalvinug, i need sleep, u know what i mean 06:56
nixternali know what you mean06:57
nixternali need ice cream06:57
nixternal;)06:57
Plug_I perhaps wouldnt quote Mark on the artists appointments06:57
Plug_but rewrite it in a standard journalistic fashion06:57
mgalvinPlug_: you can if you want to do it quickly, i just stuck it there like that for now b/c its 1am (didn't have much free time this weekend)06:59
Plug_Sure.06:59
mgalvinsweet thanks07:00
Plug_When it reports "Status of sending notification mails:", has it actually emailled all those people about the change?07:00
mgalvinyes07:00
mgalvinit emails a diff07:01
Plug_must make for a fun mailbox for those guys. :)07:02
Plug_Finished the edits.07:02
Plug_Should someone be putting the UWNs on the fridge?07:04
mgalvinyea, i have to let them know07:05
mgalvini am going to mail it to ubuntu-news for now07:05
mgalvinthanks guys07:05
mgalvini am gonna send it out now07:05
Plug_no problem.07:07
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cosmolaxnixternal: thanks. :)07:33
=== cosmolax you guys are sweet too. :)
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Madpilothow can someone sign up @ LP and not provide a visible email address?09:29
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mdkeMadpilot: select "hide my email address" under "Personal Details"10:01
mdkemorning everyone10:01
Madpilotmdke, ah, that would explain it10:01
mdkeMadpilot: also, people who get added to launchpad automatically have hidden addresses by default I think10:02
Madpiloton w.u.c, TrevorPounds has been doing some stuff that really belongs over on huc/c/, and he's got no wiki page & no visible email addy in LP10:02
mdkehow annoying10:03
Madpilotyeah10:03
Madpilotit's not bad work, but some of it is duplicating stuff that already exists, and it's all in the wrong wiki10:03
mdkegod the main wiki is so slow still10:08
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froudSome here may disagree on this point. But I think adding a link to a commercial   Ubuntu publication from the Help menu in a Free OS is not very tasteful and smacks of marketing and promotion. It's in bad taste if you ask me. Just my 2 cents.06:57
tonyyarussoI can see the reasoning for it, but I think I might agree with that one.  Might depend - is it being sold for cost or at a profit?06:59
froudtonyyarusso: It's the intent that strikes me as out of place06:59
froudMight I just add that I have great respect for the authors07:00
mdkeI think it harms the help menu, but to be fair, it isn't a link to a commercial publication07:01
mdkeit's a link to extracts which are provided in the default installation under a free licence07:01
tonyyarussoIf they're saying, "hey, there's this other thing available, but it was expensive to make so we're charging to recover costs", I don't mind that.  But if it's "we put this thing together as a capital venture and then added a link to everyone's menu" it's not as cool.07:01
froudtonyyarusso: I think this opens the doors to a slippery slop where if one publication can do it, then so all must be afforded the same opportunity. In which case other books on Ubuntu Books must be afforded the same opportunity07:02
tonyyarussomdke: Okay, that's true.  A bit of a technical point though it seems ultimately.07:02
mdkeI don't think so07:02
mdkethere's a big difference between providing free documentation with the operating system and advertising a commercial publication07:03
froudmdke it says "to purchase a copy visit http://....."07:03
mdkefroud: there is nothing wrong with that dude07:03
mdkethe reason for the inclusion was to promote books which are released under free licences07:03
mdkeI definitely disagree with having it in the help menu07:03
mdkeI think it confuses users07:04
mdkebut I know for a fact that its inclusion wasn't based on commercial reasons07:04
tonyyarussomdke: Okay, that helps some.  Do you have an alternative placement suggestion?  Installed at all, or just ubuntu.com, other?07:04
froudHmmm, does that mean that I will be able t promote the ECDL/ICDL stuff we develop under free license and sell for a profit http://www.inwords.co.za/content/view/103/68/07:04
mdkefroud: you can promote it, sure07:05
froudmdke: the idea to more info is good07:05
froudbut I think it should point to a page on ubuntulinux.org07:05
mdketonyyarusso: I think it should be simply in example content07:05
froudone where a collection of works can be dislayed07:05
tonyyarussomdke: That sounds about right to me.  I'll second that.07:05
froudanyway, just thought I would mention it. As Isay, the idea is good, but should provide equal oportunity to equivalent works :-)07:07
froudmdke: is anyone working on docs for the menu editor?07:09
mdkei don't think there are any07:09
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mdkethere are certainly no Ubuntu books under a free licence that I am aware of, and no others which are both under a free licence and supported by Canonical07:09
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froudmdke: is it only for Free works07:10
froudand only those supported by Canonical?07:10
mdkesure, that was a big reason for including it in the distribution07:10
froudSo provided the license is free it is OK, the src does not have to be available07:11
mdkethere is no rule about this07:12
mdkethey just included the official book, that's it. They're not setting any precedents07:12
froudperhaps include http://www.linux-books.us/ubuntu_0002.php07:12
froudmdke: I think it should point to a list of ubuntu books, free or not07:14
froudfor example http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/103-7912192-3174229?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=stripbooks%3Arelevance-above&field-keywords=Ubuntu07:14
froudBut I must say I love the idea of the help menu having various options07:15
mdkefroud: ok, but that's not what it is there for.07:15
mdkeI have to say I disagree about the help menu07:16
mdkethe help menu having various options is good, but they shouldn't have more than one option of documentation, otherwise users get confused.07:16
froudmdke: thinking like a user now. Would I really care what it is there for. All I want is to get more information07:16
mdkeyeah, and if you have three different places, as a user, how do you know which to try?07:17
froudmdke: I can't see it confusing people if the Online Help option points direct to the online ubuntu help07:17
mdkeyou'll see it if you think about my question07:17
froudmdke: Books on Ubuntu instead of eXCERPT FROM bOOK07:17
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froudmdke: it's only my personal impression07:18
froudbut I found the single menu just demonstrated that there are many help options available, inlcuding commercial and comunity support07:19
froudTo me it was clear when I saw the options, only thing that I did not like was that the menu linked to and thereby promoted a single work07:20
mdkehaving different help options is certainly positive07:20
froudyes07:20
mdkebut not more than one source of documentation. Two (online and system) is already too many07:20
froudmdke: I understand your thinking07:21
froudOnline also depends on the person being online :-)07:21
mdkeindeed07:22
froudSo if a work is not supported by Canonical, it cannot feature in that menu?07:23
mdkewell, everything in ubuntu is supported by Canonical07:24
froudWe have plan to develop a measureup type of system for ECDL students that would integrate to that menu07:24
mdkeNot sure what that is, but presumably it doesn't apply to default Ubuntu installs07:25
mdkesome kind of derivative?07:25
froudIt would be an addon package07:25
froudTest Yourself type of thing07:25
froudQuestion and Answers = Score at end07:25
froudNot part of default, as you say07:26
mdkesounds cool07:27
mdkenot help though, surely07:27
froudNo courseware is instructor lead, but training center will have MeasureUp installed on each sudent desktop and students can install MeasureUp at home since they will be given a copy of Ubuntu (free to install)07:28
froudAnyway, nough said, I must go back to writing07:29
froudThanks for your input on that07:29
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robitaillemdke,  you're an Ubuntu star now...people come to you with their specs :)08:13
OHPhoneGuyCan someone look at some documentation that I've came up with to give me some creative critism on making it better?08:17
OHPhoneGuyhttp://www.ianwilson.org/index.php/Ubuntu_Linux_Install_Guide08:18
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