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| LaserJock | hmm, pretty dead in here | 02:35 |
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| rob | bored? | 02:37 |
| crimsun | some of us are at work :) | 02:37 |
| crimsun | and spent an hour chasing down a difference between /bin/echo and bash's built-in echo | 02:38 |
| rob | I'm going to the show shortly :) | 02:38 |
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| crimsun | rob: nice | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | I just got home from shoping with the wife, etc. | 02:41 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:51 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 04:18 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: how's it going? | 04:21 |
| bddebian | OK, I guess, thanks. You? | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: not bad, trying to read *all* my email | 04:40 |
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| bddebian | tseng: :) | 04:43 |
| tseng | I will try not to go on swearing for the next hour | 04:44 |
| bddebian | Ah, go ahead :-) | 04:44 |
| tseng | I would go so far as to say Beagle should be the alternative to Tracker | 04:45 |
| tseng | as Tracker uses nearly no memory in comparison | 04:45 |
| tseng | brilliant deduction | 04:45 |
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| tseng | it doesnt even have its own ui, only a nautilus patch | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | tseng: I wouldn't worry too much | 04:47 |
| tseng | I am not worried, I am frustrated | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | ah, well then I can understand that | 04:47 |
| Erlang | why? | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | although I've never found beagle very useful, it seems much more mature than tracker | 04:48 |
| tseng | have you read the thread? | 04:48 |
| tseng | it starts out "woo blue sky idea, someone please do my work for me" | 04:48 |
| tseng | and ends with hypothetical corner cases deep in the kernel | 04:48 |
| tseng | courtesy of John Moser | 04:49 |
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| Erlang | many threads kinda end up that way on tech mailing lists. I did not pay much attention, but I see your point. | 04:50 |
| tseng | I will just refrain from replying as it has gone into reiser4 fanboing | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | yeah, there was like only 1 or 2 emails in the thread that actually had anything to do with tracker/beagle | 04:54 |
| zakame | huhu | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | hi zakame | 05:03 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 05:04 |
| zakame | hi LazerJock bddebian! =) | 05:05 |
| zakame | looks like I'll be in Manila longer than usual | 05:05 |
| bddebian | Oh? | 05:09 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 05:16 |
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| bddebian | Heya Hobbsee | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian :) | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | hi ajmitch_ | 05:17 |
| zul | hey | 05:17 |
| zakame | heya Hobbsee | 05:17 |
| zakame | hey zul | 05:17 |
| Hawkwind | Hey ya Hobbsee, bddebian and zul | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | hi zul | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | hi Hawkwind | 05:18 |
| zul | anyone running edgy on amd64? | 05:18 |
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| zul | if they are wanna test something for me? ;) | 05:19 |
| === Hobbsee isnt | ||
| bddebian | Heya Hawkwind, zul | 05:21 |
| Hawkwind | zul: Not I, or I'd test it for ya | 05:22 |
| === Hobbsee is still repairing her system. | ||
| bddebian | I still need to get an amd64 box :-( | 05:22 |
| === zakame will be looking for one today | ||
| zul | hmmm...must fiddle with qemu then | 05:23 |
| TheMuso | Hey Hobbsee. | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | hi TheMuso | 05:24 |
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| LaserJock | hi imbrandon | 05:29 |
| TheMuso | Hey imbrandon. | 05:29 |
| imbrandon | heya ( /me kicks osx ) | 05:29 |
| imbrandon | hey TheMuso | 05:29 |
| imbrandon | any irssi gurus in here ? | 05:31 |
| LaserJock | just a casual user here | 05:31 |
| imbrandon | heh whats the file that stores the default nickname and default server | 05:32 |
| imbrandon | and autojoin chans etc | 05:32 |
| LaserJock | .irrsi/config | 05:33 |
| imbrandon | cool thanks | 05:33 |
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| bddebian | Hi imbrandon | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | heya bddebian | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | bah i hate kern updates, brb | 05:42 |
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| bddebian | Gnight folks | 06:27 |
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| Gloubiboulga | morning | 07:49 |
| Hobbsee | hi Gloubiboulga | 07:51 |
| Gloubiboulga | hey Hobbsee | 07:52 |
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| Hobbsee | anyone feel like uploading something for me? | 08:30 |
| Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, sure | 08:32 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: thanks :) uploading in a sec - forgot to debsign it | 08:32 |
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| Gloubiboulga | ok | 08:33 |
| === Hobbsee sets an alias for debsign, to actually include the darn key! | ||
| === Hobbsee pokes revu | ||
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: right, it's uploaded, will grab you teh link in a sec | 08:37 |
| Hobbsee | oh, stupid dput! it didnt upload the .orig.tar.gz! | 08:37 |
| Gloubiboulga | poor dput ;) | 08:39 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/kdiff3/kdiff3_0.9.90.orig.tar.gz is the .orig.tar.gz. | 08:39 |
| Gloubiboulga | I think dput only does what he's asked to do :p | 08:39 |
| Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, ok | 08:39 |
| Hobbsee | it should have uploaded them all with the .changes file. | 08:39 |
| Gloubiboulga | have you use scott's merge-buildpackage? | 08:40 |
| Gloubiboulga | used* | 08:40 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: yes | 08:46 |
| Hobbsee | or hang on, did i use that, or his genchanges? | 08:46 |
| === Yagisan waves hello | ||
| Gloubiboulga | hi Yagisan | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: want me to use teh buildpackage, and reupload? | 08:47 |
| Yagisan | meh - I lost a day. | 08:47 |
| Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, as you want | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: it doesnt matter to me - that way has worked before. revu package is at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2572 | 08:48 |
| === Gloubiboulga looks | ||
| Hobbsee | thanks Gloubiboulga :) | 08:52 |
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| Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, the .diff.gz is really big | 09:01 |
| === Hobbsee looks | ||
| Gloubiboulga | there's a lot of .pot file changes, but maybe it's normal for KDE apps (I don't know how translations work for you) | 09:03 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: two upstream releases between this and the last ubuntu release - that got anything to do with it? | 09:04 |
| Hobbsee | but you're right, there are | 09:04 |
| Gloubiboulga | the debian diff is smaller | 09:04 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: wow, it's way smaller. i'm not sure what happened there | 09:06 |
| Gloubiboulga | maybe a MoM 'bug' | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: the debian patch is huge, too | 09:06 |
| Gloubiboulga | yes, cause the ubuntu and debian diff.gz are really different | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | why? | 09:07 |
| === Hobbsee is kinda lost now. | ||
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: sheesh! the debian patch is bigger than the .orig.tar.gz! | 09:08 |
| Gloubiboulga | yes... | 09:09 |
| Gloubiboulga | I'd just apply the changes manually to keep the diff as small as possible with debian | 09:09 |
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| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: yeah, i'm not really confident with that patch now - it looked okay to me before, but...something seems to have borked | 09:12 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello raphink | 09:12 |
| Hobbsee | hi raphink | 09:12 |
| raphink | yop Gloubiboulga && Hobbsee | 09:12 |
| Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, I think so too | 09:12 |
| === Hobbsee tries not to pass out. | ||
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| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: what, as in, grab the debian source, do the patches manually, then upload it? | 09:16 |
| Hobbsee | do i still use the merge-buildpackage? | 09:16 |
| === Hobbsee damn well REFUSES to pass out! | ||
| Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, yes, do that and run merger-buildpackage | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: merger-buildpackage? | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | what's that? | 09:17 |
| Gloubiboulga | it will generate a very nice source.changes including all the debian hcanges | 09:17 |
| === Hobbsee only knew about a merge-buildpackage | ||
| Gloubiboulga | err, merge-buildpackage (typo) | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | right :P | 09:18 |
| Gloubiboulga | use grab-merge.sh to get the source | 09:18 |
| Gloubiboulga | s | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 09:18 |
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| AnAnt | lionelp: are you there ? | 09:26 |
| lionelp | Yes :) | 09:28 |
| lionelp | Sorry, yesterday I was away | 09:28 |
| lionelp | and night, I was in front of my TV for brazil-france :) | 09:29 |
| lionelp | AnAnt ? | 09:30 |
| lionelp | Oh, you have just uploaded kchmviewer | 09:31 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: yup | 09:34 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: did u see what I said yesterday ? | 09:35 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: also I fixed something in freedict | 09:35 |
| lionelp | I saw, but I dot not remember anymore | 09:37 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: regarding kchmviewer, the difference between my package & the one in Debian is that mine doesn't need KDE, ie. builds against QT only | 09:38 |
| lionelp | yep, I just scroll to see what you told yesterday | 09:39 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: I wish I know how to make several variants, ie add a variant to compile against QT only, and leave the original variant which compiles against KDE, but I am still weak in packaging | 09:39 |
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| lionelp | KDE support is useless ? | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: um, why do you want to make a QT package only? which of the KDE packages were involved in making the KDE version? | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | what does debian/control say for each version? (in particular, the deps and build-deps) | 09:41 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: it's the build-deps that are different in the source package | 09:42 |
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| Hobbsee | AnAnt: which build-deps? | 09:42 |
| === Hobbsee is a KDE-ish person. | ||
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: libqt3-mt-dev | 09:42 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: libqt3-mt-dev in my package | 09:42 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 09:43 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: kdelibs4-dev in the original package | 09:43 |
| AnAnt | original=Debian | 09:43 |
| === AnAnt is anti-KDE person. | ||
| AnAnt | lionelp: yes, it is not needed | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: it does provide useful features | 09:44 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: as what ? | 09:44 |
| raphink | programs built with with qt look horrible | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | However, it may be compiled | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | with full KDE support, including KDE widgets and KIO/KHTML. | 09:44 |
| raphink | and they don't have all the functionalities from KDE | 09:44 |
| raphink | just as Hobbsee said | 09:44 |
| lionelp | Hi raphink :) | 09:45 |
| raphink | if this program is called Kchmviewer, it's because it's aimed to be built in KDE | 09:45 |
| raphink | hi lionelp | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | interesting that the ubuntu version only needs kdelibs4c2a... | 09:45 |
| AnAnt | as for freedict, I added an arabic-english dictionary (from ftp.dict.org) | 09:46 |
| raphink | AnAnt: if you're anti-kde, I suggest you port the program to gtk | 09:46 |
| raphink | instead of preventing KDE people from using the KDE programs to the full | 09:47 |
| AnAnt | raphink: I wish I know how to do so | 09:47 |
| raphink | there are guides to learn gtk | 09:47 |
| raphink | :) | 09:47 |
| AnAnt | raphink: well, that's why I want to add a variant in the control file with compiles against QT only, but dunno how | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: for those kde haters, it's not that hard to grab the source, pull out the kde dep, and recompile it. | 09:47 |
| raphink | yes | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: that would require two packages, unless you used an | i guess | 09:47 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: what | are you talking about ? | 09:48 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: yes, I want to do like VIM for example, it can create several binary packages | 09:48 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: no that does require to build two packages | 09:48 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: ah okay | 09:48 |
| raphink | AnAnt: your package will still need to build-depend on kdelibs | 09:49 |
| raphink | since you'll be using it for one of the two binaries | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: you cant do a b-d on kdelibs4c2a|libqt3-mt-dev? | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | good point | 09:49 |
| AnAnt | oh yes ! | 09:49 |
| raphink | ;) | 09:49 |
| AnAnt | can't I do kdelibs4c2a|libqt3-mt-dev ? | 09:50 |
| raphink | well that works if you build your package in your env | 09:50 |
| raphink | but not in a pbuilder | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | presumably that only works for deps, not build-deps | 09:50 |
| raphink | like sbuilder/pbuilder | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes | 09:50 |
| raphink | it makes no sense for build-deps | 09:51 |
| raphink | because you can't choose the one to use in a pbuilder/sbuilder | 09:51 |
| AnAnt | why not for pbuilder ? | 09:51 |
| raphink | and this is what is gonna be used to build the package eventually | 09:51 |
| raphink | AnAnt: because you just give it the .dsc and it builds | 09:51 |
| AnAnt | raphink: so ? | 09:51 |
| raphink | so the package has to be clear as to which build-deps to use | 09:51 |
| AnAnt | raphink: it will build the 2 variants, right ? | 09:51 |
| raphink | no | 09:52 |
| raphink | it will grab the first working lib | 09:52 |
| raphink | in that case, kdelibs4c2a | 09:52 |
| AnAnt | raphink: why does it build several variants in VIM then ? | 09:52 |
| raphink | and not the second one, since the rule says | | 09:52 |
| raphink | AnAnt: because there are several packages defined in debian/control | 09:52 |
| raphink | and rules to build all the variants in debian/rules | 09:52 |
| AnAnt | raphink: well, I want to do that too | 09:52 |
| AnAnt | raphink: I just don't understand what to do in the rules file | 09:53 |
| raphink | and debian/*.install files to tell which file goes in which package | 09:53 |
| raphink | AnAnt: grab the vim package and study it ;) | 09:53 |
| AnAnt | hmmm | 09:53 |
| === raphink has to run to the church :) | ||
| Hobbsee | raphink: enjoy :) | 09:53 |
| raphink | thanks | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: if you were to do that, you'd have to build two files, whihc is more inconvenient than building one. then again, you'd only install one presumably | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | it's still confusing. | 09:54 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: fine, I'm satisfied in building two files, it's a one time thing | 09:55 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: but I see it is a nice feature to have 2 variants, one for KDE/QT, another for QT only | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | and doing updates for it, at infinitum, i think | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | maybe not | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | maybe the next maintainer would just axe the qt only port. | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: you an ex-gentoo user, by any chance? | 09:56 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: nope | 09:57 |
| crimsun | is there are a large prospective userbase for the Qt-only package? | 10:02 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: dunno | 10:03 |
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| antinobody | hello motuies | 10:45 |
| crimsun | hi | 10:46 |
| antinobody | hi crimsun | 10:46 |
| Hobbsee | hi antinobody | 10:46 |
| antinobody | hey Hobbsee | 10:46 |
| antinobody | how goes along the merging? | 10:46 |
| Hobbsee | antinobody: one that seems to have borked, otherwise okay :) | 10:47 |
| === Hobbsee was out before | ||
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| antinobody | Hobbsee: I'm told to ask you about merge-o-matic? | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | antinobody: you got told that by the edgychanges link? glad someone reads it | 10:51 |
| Hobbsee | antinobody: yes, there is a mergeomatic, it makes our lives much easier for merging | 10:51 |
| antinobody | Hobbsee: What is it, exactly? | 10:51 |
| Hobbsee | antinobody: merges.ubuntu.com | 10:51 |
| antinobody | Hobbsee: right, like the link in the topic | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | antinobody: yep, that's it | 10:52 |
| === Hobbsee is tryign to get a copy of the history file associated with what keybuk told me. | ||
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| Hobbsee | then again, it would be on the logs, to | 10:53 |
| Hobbsee | o | 10:53 |
| Hobbsee | !logs | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 10:54 |
| crimsun | people/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 10:54 |
| === Kamping_Kaiser hugs Hobbsee | ||
| === Hobbsee hugs Kamping_Kaiser | ||
| Kamping_Kaiser | :) | 10:55 |
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| Hobbsee | antinobody: just grabbing the log of it now, and condensing it a bit | 10:56 |
| antinobody | Hobbsee: How does one update the thing? When a merge is finished, is there a mechanism for reporting that? I remember something about a bug report... | 10:58 |
| Hobbsee | antinobody: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-devel-2006-06-30.html - start where keybuk says "Hobbsee: in case nobody's said already, could you use the -v<last_version_in_Ubuntu> option to debuild when building merged uploads.." | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | antinobody: poke a MOTU to upload it for you, or file a bug about it, assign it to MOTU reviewers | 10:59 |
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| antinobody | Hobbsee: thanky | 11:02 |
| Hobbsee | antinobody: oh, and upload to REVU | 11:02 |
| antinobody | right, right | 11:03 |
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| lfittl | If I want to help with merging, how can I request a sync if I am no MOTU? | 11:14 |
| Hobbsee | lfittl: ping a motu, like maybe StevenK? | 11:15 |
| Hobbsee | or just ask if there's anyone who wants to review a package | 11:15 |
| lfittl | Hobbsee: k | 11:16 |
| StevenK | Hey, no dobbing me in. | 11:16 |
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| Hobbsee | StevenK: :P | 11:17 |
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| DanielC | I just made a .deb for edgy; and 'debuild' gave me the error "bad-distribution-in-changes-file edgy" | 11:36 |
| DanielC | Isn't it called "edgy"? | 11:36 |
| siretart | DanielC: it is, but lintian isn't updated yet | 11:38 |
| DanielC | Ok. So this warning is safe to ignore? | 11:38 |
| DanielC | lintian also says "no-copyright-file". But I do have a debian/copyright file. :( | 11:40 |
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| DanielC | How about this lintian error: package-uses-debhelper-but-lacks-build-depends ? | 11:52 |
| DanielC | This package doesn't have any dependencies. | 11:52 |
| StevenK | Lintian is talking about Build-Depends, not Depends, there. | 11:53 |
| StevenK | They should appear in the first stanza in debian/control if the package needs anything more than build-essential to build. | 11:54 |
| DanielC | Ok... so should I add a Build-Depends and leave it blank? | 11:54 |
| StevenK | No, Build-Depends: debhelper | 11:54 |
| DanielC | The package doesn't need anything to build. | 11:54 |
| DanielC | Ok... | 11:54 |
| StevenK | Evidently, it needs debhelper. | 11:54 |
| DanielC | I'm using debhelper (the dh_*) files. | 11:55 |
| DanielC | I mean..., I'm suing the dh_* helper scripts. | 11:55 |
| DanielC | You might notice that this is my first time making a .deb file :) | 11:56 |
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| StevenK | debhelper isn't build-essential, so you need to Build-Depends on it explicity. | 11:56 |
| DanielC | Ok. I guess I got confused by the fact that this package isn't even compilable software; it's just documentation... | 11:57 |
| DanielC | But I guess that in this context build doesn't imply "compile". | 11:57 |
| DanielC | I just ran debuilder again. Problem fixed. Thanks! | 11:58 |
| _ion | You should build the packages with pbuilder/sbuild (i.e. using a chroot) in order to find problems with build-deps. | 12:02 |
| === DanielC is running 'pbuilder create' now... | ||
| jsgotangco | yay | 12:04 |
| DanielC | what does pbuilder create do? I just know that pbuilder told me to run that. | 12:05 |
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| DanielC | Ok, I think I understand now, based on the man page... let's see... the best way to build Debian packages is through a chroot environment. I take that to mean that it's a directory with a minimalist Debian installation in which you chroot. | 12:08 |
| DanielC | and `pbuilder create` will create this directory. | 12:08 |
| DanielC | Am I close? | 12:08 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | yes | 12:10 |
| DanielC | Ok, I'm learning :) | 12:10 |
| DanielC | Where can I find this directory? | 12:10 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | it creates a chroot then tgz it to use it again when you run 'pbuilder buil' | 12:10 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | if you've not changed the default config the .tgz is stored in /var/cache/pbuilder | 12:11 |
| DanielC | Ok, I see it. It's base.tgz | 12:11 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | yes | 12:11 |
| DanielC | I wonder how I managed to put a file in there without being root... pbuilder doesn't have the suid bit set... | 12:12 |
| DanielC | stupid me, I was root. | 12:14 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | hehe | 12:15 |
| === _ion _always_ uses sudo, so he never accidentally runs stuff as root. | ||
| DanielC | So do I... but I actually used 'sudo' this time... that's why it's embarrassing. | 12:16 |
| DanielC | I pressed the "up" arrow key, and edited a command that had used 'sudo' before. | 12:17 |
| DanielC | Do you normally run pbuilder as root or as a regular user? The packaging guide has "sudo" on it. | 12:17 |
| DanielC | But I'm surprised that you'd need root privileges to make debs. | 12:18 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | you can set up pbuilder to run it as a user, but I always uses 'sudo pbuilder' | 12:18 |
| DanielC | ok | 12:18 |
| DanielC | Any reason for that? | 12:19 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | yes, laziness ;) | 12:19 |
| DanielC | ok :) | 12:19 |
| lfittl | does somebody have time to request a sync for 44 packages that I just checked? (really simple ones, just build-dep fixes for dapper that were also fixed in debian) | 12:22 |
| StevenK | I run pdebuild, which then execs sudo pbuilder | 12:25 |
| DanielC | Does anyone know what this pbuild warning means: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (1234) | 12:27 |
| StevenK | DanielC: It's harmless | 12:27 |
| DanielC | Ok, thanks. | 12:27 |
| StevenK | DanielC: It comes from dpkg, I think | 12:28 |
| DanielC | Ok, the LOGNAME message was the only error (but it got printed many times). Does that mean that my package works correctly? (although debuilder gave other errors like "no-copyright-file", etc?) | 12:40 |
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| Gloubiboulga_ | if you find a .deb in /var/cache/pbuilder/result it worked | 12:43 |
| DanielC | Well, I knew that it "worked" before in the sense that it made a .deb and the .deb installed correctly. | 12:43 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | using pbuilder? | 12:44 |
| DanielC | But debuilder threw a few warnings that I figured I should correct. Like, it thinks I have no copyright file. | 12:44 |
| DanielC | Yes, pbuilder produced a .deb | 12:44 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | ok | 12:44 |
| DanielC | I haven't tried the .deb from pbuilder, but I guess it should work too. | 12:44 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | I guess | 12:44 |
| jsgotangco | best to try it out to know =) | 12:45 |
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| DanielC | works | 12:46 |
| DanielC | Is there a way to prevent the creation of the directory /usr/share/doc/{$package} ? | 12:49 |
| DanielC | The .debs always create this directory and it ends up empty except for the changelog file. | 12:50 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | you should find the copyright file in the directory too | 12:50 |
| DanielC | nope | 12:50 |
| === DanielC remembers how debuilder complained about not finding a copyright file. | ||
| Gloubiboulga_ | then lintian is right :) | 12:51 |
| DanielC | :) | 12:51 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | do you have a debian/copyright file in your sources ? | 12:51 |
| DanielC | yes | 12:51 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | hmm | 12:51 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | and do you call dh_installdocs in your rules? | 12:52 |
| DanielC | ah | 12:52 |
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| Gloubiboulga_ | :) | 12:52 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | it will install the copyright file | 12:52 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | *always* use it | 12:52 |
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| DanielC | Ok, now it installs the copyright file. And I learnt something new today :) | 12:57 |
| DanielC | Now lintian says: copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-gpl | 12:57 |
| DanielC | How do I make the copyright file do that? | 12:57 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | you can look at some other copyright files ;) | 12:59 |
| DanielC | Yes, I'm looking at the debian-policy copyright file... but I can't see anything... | 01:00 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | look at the last paragraph of the file | 01:00 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | "On debian systems..." | 01:01 |
| dooglus | speedy: make /etc/iftab with lines like: eth0 mac 00:00:11:22:33:44 | 01:02 |
| dooglus | spacey: then it will always use the same interface names | 01:03 |
| dooglus | um - speedy | 01:03 |
| dooglus | wow - wrong channel, wrong nick... just wrong! | 01:03 |
| DanielC | Gloubiboulga_: Got it, thanks. None of the sample sources I had here had that line, but I got the sources for gaim and that one did have it. | 01:06 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | DanielC, great | 01:07 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 01:08 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | wb Hobbsee | 01:08 |
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| Hobbsee | hey Gloubiboulga_ :) | 01:08 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | what time is it for you Hobbsee? | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | @time sydney | 01:09 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Australia/Sydney: July 02 2006, 21:09:24 | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga_: not late ^ | 01:09 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | ok :) | 01:09 |
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| DanielC | Is there a way to change the default doc install to something other than /usr/share/doc/{$package} ? | 01:28 |
| tseng | no | 01:29 |
| DanielC | ok | 01:29 |
| _ion | Fortunately. | 01:29 |
| tseng | right. | 01:29 |
| DanielC | ? | 01:29 |
| DanielC | I just didn't want to pollute the user's ../doc/ directory with many directories that are related. I thought they should all be in one common directory. | 01:30 |
| tseng | if they arent the same source package | 01:31 |
| tseng | they arent related | 01:31 |
| DanielC | ok... | 01:31 |
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| DanielC | A good example of this would be if we wanted to put all the OpenOffice.org documentation files in the same directory (/usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/). | 01:32 |
| DanielC | Is this sort of thing "not done" ? | 01:32 |
| tseng | no, it isnt. | 01:33 |
| DanielC | Ok. | 01:33 |
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| === Yagisan waves hello. | ||
| tseng | hi Yagisan | 01:35 |
| DanielC | hi | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | hi Yagisan | 01:35 |
| Yagisan | how is everyone today ? | 01:36 |
| sivang | @time Israel | 01:36 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Israel: July 02 2006, 14:36:21 | 01:36 |
| sivang | yay | 01:36 |
| sivang | Ubugtu: you are getting smarter on a daily basis! | 01:36 |
| === Yagisan discovered that right after he committed his new non-functional cmake based build system, he instantly got bug reports, but no patches | ||
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| \sh | moins | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | hi \sh | 02:06 |
| === StevenK waves to ajmitch. | ||
| StevenK | ajmitch: How is sunny downtown western Sydney? | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | good evening StevenK | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | sunny? | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | where's this 'sun' you talk of? | 02:07 |
| === ajmitch has seen more sun in canberra | ||
| StevenK | Sleeping, at the moment. | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | figures | 02:08 |
| ajmitch | typical australian :) | 02:08 |
| DanielC | How can I find out if a package is installed by default in Ubuntu? | 02:08 |
| Lathiat | rdepends it | 02:09 |
| Lathiat | see if any of the ubuntu meta packages depend on it | 02:09 |
| Lathiat | ? | 02:09 |
| Lathiat | its a little more complex than that but it'd give you an idea? | 02:09 |
| DanielC | Ok, that should work... thanks. | 02:09 |
| Lathiat | or try apt-get remove it and see if ubuntu-desktop wants to go | 02:09 |
| Lathiat | :) | 02:09 |
| DanielC | :) | 02:10 |
| \sh | or just ask | 02:10 |
| zanaga | I'm trying to get python-lxml to work on edgy. It's in depwait and waiting for pyrex and python-setuptools, so i merged the changes from debian. Is there a place to dump them to so you guys don't need to redo the work. | 02:11 |
| \sh | ajmitch: sorry to ask, but where can I see who is doing which merges_ | 02:11 |
| ajmitch | \sh: currently, I don't know - people have been taking ones that they've touched last | 02:12 |
| \sh | ajmitch: grmpf...because I have to stop some people taking sip4, pyqt, pykde etc. | 02:13 |
| ajmitch | hm, why is that? | 02:13 |
| \sh | ajmitch: because they are ready on my laptop : | 02:14 |
| StevenK | Heh | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | right :) | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | get someone to upload them asap | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | StevenK looks to be volunteering | 02:14 |
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| \sh | oh stevenk has main rights? :) | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | not that I know.. darn | 02:14 |
| \sh | or I just wait for tuesday | 02:15 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 02:15 |
| DanielC | Ok, mono-common does not "rdepend" on ubuntu-desktop (or almost anything) so that means mono is probably not installed by default? | 02:15 |
| ajmitch | no, it's not currently | 02:15 |
| DanielC | Ok, thanks. | 02:15 |
| \sh | or I could adjust grab_merge with our lpmerge script | 02:15 |
| StevenK | I do not have main rights. | 02:16 |
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| StevenK | If you're volunteering to bestow them on them.... | 02:16 |
| StevenK | Er, s/them on them/them on me/ | 02:16 |
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| ajmitch | night all | 02:25 |
| Gloubiboulga | night ajmitch | 02:26 |
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| AnAnt | do openssl & gnutls conflict with each other ? | 02:52 |
| tseng | not that I can see | 02:53 |
| tseng | Conflicts: ssleay (<< 0.9.2b), libssl, openssl (<< 0.9.6-2), libssl096-dev (<< 0.9.6-2) | 02:53 |
| tseng | Conflicts: gnutls0, gnutls0.4 | 02:54 |
| tseng | just with old versions of themselves | 02:54 |
| lifeless | check provides | 02:58 |
| lifeless | but I would not expect them to conflict | 02:58 |
| AnAnt | tseng: is it preferrable to compile packages against openssl or gnutls ? | 03:00 |
| \sh | depends on the license | 03:00 |
| AnAnt | \sh: the software supports both | 03:00 |
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| \sh | AnAnt: there was something with licenses of openssl | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | hiya \sh | 03:03 |
| bmonty | openssl requires that you put a notification that the software is linked with openssl | 03:03 |
| === Hobbsee wishes whoever is bashing her head with a large brick STOPS! | ||
| bmonty | Hobbsee: just start drinking again :) | 03:03 |
| \sh | hey Hobbsee.how is life? | 03:04 |
| Yagisan | G'day Hobbsee | 03:04 |
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| Hobbsee | hi bmonty \sh and Yagisan | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: good, ajmitch is over here at the mometn :) | 03:04 |
| === Hobbsee looks for the info on how to upload the key to the keyserver. | ||
| \sh | Hobbsee: ajmitch is next to you? ;) | 03:04 |
| \sh | gpg --send-key | 03:05 |
| === Hobbsee is now all official | ||
| \sh | gpg --send-key <your keyid> | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: not anymore | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: i dropped him back at the hotel | 03:05 |
| tseng | poor guy | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: thanks :) | 03:06 |
| tseng | all that dropping makes for a sore bum | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: heh, yeah, having to put up with me | 03:06 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: couldn't he sleep outside in front of your house? ;) | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: hahaha | 03:06 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: you didn't let him stay. poor guy. | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: i live with parents, remember? | 03:11 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: so did my wife. It didn't stop me >:) | 03:12 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: but, yeah, I can see how that makes things hard | 03:12 |
| === Hobbsee rolls her eyes. | ||
| === Yagisan takes notes for when his kids get older | ||
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: ohh, they are all white now. | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | they are? | 03:13 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: your eyes | 03:13 |
| === Hobbsee rolls them again | ||
| Hobbsee | right. | 03:13 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: you'll meet one of my monsters^Wangels tomorrow | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: hehe, so i hear | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | i hear i'm allowed to come :P | 03:14 |
| \sh | oh keysigning down under ;) | 03:15 |
| === \sh signs now madducks key | ||
| Hobbsee | \sh: no, ajmitch did that earlier | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | he said my licence didnt look much like me though :P | 03:15 |
| Yagisan | \sh: you can sign mine, but I'll need to post the details to you ;) | 03:15 |
| \sh | Yagisan: hehe...next ubuntu conf? whereever it is | 03:16 |
| === Yagisan tries to fit in the envelope and fails | ||
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: you're really working with an unsigned key? | 03:16 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: yeah. most people here mett me at UDU, but that was with my old key, before a expensive problem occurred | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: ah right. get ajmitch to sign it tomorrow? | 03:17 |
| Yagisan | yep. | 03:17 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: possibly you too | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: me to sign? could be done | 03:18 |
| Yagisan | \sh: when I can next afford it, I'll see you at an ubuntu conf | 03:18 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: why not ? | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: didnt think i could sign | 03:18 |
| \sh | Yagisan: yeah, when I can afford it, right, that was the problem ;) | 03:18 |
| Yagisan | brb - kids | 03:19 |
| _ion | SIGCHLD | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:19 |
| \sh | oh my, they are shooting here.. | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | they what? | 03:20 |
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| \sh | bombs, canons i don't know | 03:20 |
| \sh | a war in germany | 03:20 |
| mc__ | hi,what knowledge is needed to become a motu? | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | eek | 03:20 |
| _ion | Hmm, SIGCHLD wouldn't really be so funny, as it means the child just terminated. :-) | 03:21 |
| \sh | mc__: debian packaging skills, coding knowledge | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | mc__: there's a link on wiki.ubuntu.com about it IIRC. | 03:25 |
| \sh | ok..now my key has a photo id as well :) | 03:25 |
| \sh | if anyone has time, and can have a look over kbilliards on revu, would be nice :) | 03:30 |
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| AnAnt | what's the difference (in functionality) between openssl & gnutls ? I mean, is there some protocols supported in openssl but not in gnutls ? | 03:33 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:39 |
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| \sh | moins bddebian | 03:42 |
| bmonty | hi bddebian | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Hi \sh, bmonty | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 03:43 |
| bddebian | and Hobbsee again ;-) | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 03:43 |
| bmonty | do we want to keep around CXX transition packages? debian fam has a libfam0c012 that depends on libfam0 which is the real package, we dropped libfam0c102 in ubuntu | 03:45 |
| Yagisan | re | 03:45 |
| \sh | bmonty: I would get rid of it | 03:45 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: you can sign the key of anyone whose identity you can establish to your satisfaction | 03:45 |
| \sh | bmonty: I wonder why debian has it still | 03:45 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: ah right | 03:46 |
| bmonty | \sh: I don't know, I thought about getting rid of it, but I don't think it hurts, and we can sync the package instead of keeping a -ubuntu version | 03:46 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: did oyu read madducks blog (or debian planet) about his experiement with his ID of the "Transnational Republic"? | 03:46 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: no | 03:46 |
| Hobbsee | oh, hang on...maybe | 03:46 |
| Yagisan | \sh: I saw it on DD | 03:47 |
| Hobbsee | i'd have to have the link to check | 03:47 |
| Yagisan | \sh: it was a valid id, just not a government id | 03:47 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: http://blog.madduck.net/geek/2006.05.24-tr-id-at-keysigning | 03:48 |
| Yagisan | \sh: like eg a student id card | 03:48 |
| \sh | Yagisan: no...it's a real ID from the transnational republic...no faked user data actually... | 03:48 |
| \sh | Yagisan: I signed madducks key just because of that ;) | 03:49 |
| \sh | Yagisan: http://www.transnationalrepublic.org/ :) | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | the idea of keysigning etc is kinda flawed anyway - ditto ID for proof of age for cigarettes, pubs, clubs, etc | 03:50 |
| \sh | the problem with keysigning is, I could give you an ID card from my government, but can you assure that it's really me? or just another stephan hermann with the same face? | 03:50 |
| dsas | It's just a question of whether or not you trust the TR to totally check madducks passport. | 03:50 |
| Yagisan | \sh: I didn't say it was fake, I just said it was like a student id card. | 03:51 |
| dsas | it's like me signing hobsees key because ajmitch says it's right. | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | it's exactly like me accepting a NZ driving licence with a birthdate that could well be fake, cos i've not seen NZ drivers licences apart from work before - but we have to accept them, as a drivers licence | 03:51 |
| \sh | dsas: I am trusting madduck, because we said something before we met, and that was the point...and that's why I don't do any keysigning party anymore..because I don't know the people...I never talked to them... | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | true | 03:52 |
| dsas | \sh: That's a good stance to take. | 03:52 |
| === Hobbsee didnt have a clue about the keysigning, really | ||
| === Hobbsee just asked, then typed what she was told to type | ||
| tseng | you shouldnt freely admit that :) | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | well, yeah | 03:53 |
| tseng | sortof defeats the purpose | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | shhh :P | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | no, like i figured out the email based stuff later | 03:53 |
| \sh | dsas: but I talked to all the people I signed keys with...so I am sure, that they are who they said they are. It's so easy to get a forged ID card nowadays, and I'm not able to check if the ID is real or not... | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | but the actual getting the fingerprint, i pretty much stuck my laptop next to his so he could type his in | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: exactly. i dont even want to think about what'll happen with work when we take the first incorrect ID and they find out. | 03:54 |
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| dsas | \sh: If you talk to someone and know them and you're just using the ID as validation then that's fine. If you're *only* relying on the ID then as you point out, you're less sure that they're telling the truth. | 03:55 |
| Yagisan | I need to meet people before signing keys, but as long as I'm sure they are who they say they are, I'll sign. after all, I just vouch they are who they say are, not that they are a good person. | 03:55 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: my fingerprint is on my business cards. | 03:56 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: so you can validate it at home | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: hehe, that's true. that's like at work "i vouch that i saw that the counting of the drawer was done at this time. i in no way, shape, or form say it's accurate" | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | true | 03:56 |
| === Hobbsee was surprised actually - dad didnt think i was crazy when i told him i'd got my key signed. | ||
| === \sh needs some business cards, too | ||
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| Yagisan | Hobbsee: to be honest, I never do keysigning on a pc at the meet | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: fair enough | 03:59 |
| Yagisan | I'll check the fingerprint @ home, them do it from my box | 03:59 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: so, if I bring a kid that looks like me - is that proof of who I say I am ;) | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:00 |
| === Hobbsee figured that she had *all* of her ID here, so may as well do it | ||
| tseng | signing after the meet doesnt buy you mich imo | 04:00 |
| tseng | much | 04:00 |
| Yagisan | nope, but I don't have to use someone elses laptop to do so. | 04:01 |
| === Yagisan is too broke to get his own | ||
| tseng | someone elses laptop is different | 04:01 |
| \sh | and if you do it at home, nobody can watch over your shoulder when you type your passphrase ;) | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | true | 04:02 |
| Hawkwind | Hobbsee: You see 3 people got spam again today, 2 of which were me and you :( | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | Hawkwind: yeah, i thought i saw that. i created a new filter for it, but it didnt want to filter. i've had that spam before, and i'm not exactly sure why they're getting our emails in particular | 04:07 |
| Hawkwind | Strange. I tried to filter it as well and couldn't get it to. I'm wondering if it comes through again if it will filter then or not as there are times I can't get things to filter on the original version | 04:09 |
| Yagisan | woot. I figured out what was wrong with cmake | 04:11 |
| bddebian | Yagisan: What was it/ | 04:11 |
| bddebian | ? | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | Hawkwind: i've had about 6 of them | 04:12 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: it wasn't emitting my defines (-DFOO stuff) correctly | 04:13 |
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| bddebian | Ah | 04:13 |
| Yagisan | bddebian: we now crash and burn on one of my errors instead now :) | 04:13 |
| bddebian | hehe | 04:13 |
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| Hawkwind | Hobbsee: All 6 of them have been the same and they still won't filter you mean ? | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | Hawkwind: yeah, but i didnt try filtering them | 04:16 |
| Hawkwind | Hobbsee: Ah ok. Well hopefully we don't get anymore, or these filter from now on | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 04:17 |
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| bddebian | OK, ajunta is really starting to piss me off | 04:42 |
| Hawkwind | Heh, anjuta is a royal pain at best | 04:43 |
| bddebian | I had good luck with it in dapper but it's killing me in edgy for some reason | 04:44 |
| sivang | bddebian: what are you trying to do with it? | 04:45 |
| bddebian | Build the new version from Debian | 04:45 |
| sivang | bddebian: ah :) | 04:46 |
| sivang | bddebian: I thought you were having issues creating autoconf cruft for your program using it ;) | 04:46 |
| bddebian | Nah, I don't actually USE any of the programs I build ;-) | 04:47 |
| sivang | bddebian: you see, there's the problem :-))) | 04:48 |
| bddebian | One of many :-) | 04:48 |
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| bddebian | Ahhhh, #Q@$RQ$#^T56. libwnck-dev 2.15 doesn't have libwnck-1.la | 05:03 |
| === Yagisan feels bddebian's pain | ||
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| \sh | anyone care to upload one merge? | 05:07 |
| \sh | bddebian: you care,right ? | 05:08 |
| bddebian | Not anymore ;-P | 05:08 |
| \sh | please | 05:08 |
| bddebian | Sure bud, what you need? | 05:08 |
| \sh | http://archive.linux-server.org/ | 05:08 |
| \sh | the kdiff source packages | 05:08 |
| \sh | and do a debuild -S -v0.9.88-5ubuntu2 -sa -k<your keyid> | 05:09 |
| \sh | in the source dir :) thx :) | 05:09 |
| \sh | merged, tested and works | 05:09 |
| bddebian | \sh: Do I really need the -vblah ? | 05:11 |
| \sh | bddebian: yes...last version is 0.9.88-5ubuntu2 :) | 05:12 |
| \sh | so we need to provide the last 2 changelog entries since 0.9.88-5ubuntu2 :) | 05:12 |
| bddebian | Ah | 05:12 |
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| bddebian | \sh: uploading | 05:16 |
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| \sh | bddebian: thx a lot | 05:17 |
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| bddebian | \sh: No, thank YOU :-) | 05:38 |
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| \sh | bddebian: care to take another one? | 05:42 |
| \sh | looks like I'm on drugs again ;) | 05:43 |
| sivang | are those main uploads ?:) | 05:43 |
| \sh | no | 05:43 |
| \sh | the main ones are laying still on my laptop :) | 05:44 |
| sivang | :) | 05:45 |
| \sh | so if anyone wants to take it | 05:46 |
| bddebian | \sh: Sure | 05:46 |
| \sh | bddebian: again on archive.linux-server.org | 05:46 |
| \sh | afterstep | 05:46 |
| === bddebian isn't "good enough" for main | ||
| \sh | debuild -S -v2.1.2-3ubuntu1 -sa -k<your id> ;) | 05:46 |
| \sh | oh no..wait | 05:49 |
| \sh | shit... | 05:49 |
| \sh | I'm stupid | 05:50 |
| sivang | \sh: sponsering upload worked for me without doing -k, is it mandatory ? | 05:50 |
| bddebian | Uh oh too late | 05:50 |
| \sh | damn | 05:50 |
| \sh | too fast... | 05:50 |
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| \sh | ok...let's hope for another version from debian upstream *grmpf* it should be a sync | 05:51 |
| \sh | bddebian: thx | 05:52 |
| bddebian | Sorry | 05:52 |
| bddebian | Heya tuxmaniac | 05:52 |
| tuxmaniac | heya bddebian | 05:52 |
| \sh | bddebian: no...my fault :) | 05:52 |
| tuxmaniac | bo | 05:52 |
| \sh | bddebian: I didn't see the tree because of the forrest ;) | 05:53 |
| \sh | my change on afterstep went upstream | 05:53 |
| \sh | I need to learn this new mom system...it's different from older times | 05:54 |
| \sh | ok...laters crew...need to go for a while | 05:55 |
| sivang | laters \sh | 05:58 |
| \sh | alps-light1 is a sync, I requested it | 06:00 |
| \sh | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/alps-light1/+bug/51608 | 06:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 51608 in alps-light1 "sync request of alps-light1_1.2.2-2 from debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 06:00 |
| \sh | ok..gone | 06:00 |
| bddebian | Later \sh | 06:01 |
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| Amaranth | so i take it python2.5-* will never exist? | 07:55 |
| Amaranth | now i feel stupid about using python2.4-* in depends :P | 07:56 |
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| azeem | bluefoxicy: what's the problem with the current packages? | 11:12 |
| === tseng wonders how bluefoxicy turned a thread about tracker into rambling about obscure kernel corner cases | ||
| bluefoxicy | tseng: lol I know :P | 11:12 |
| bluefoxicy | azeem: oh, I just hate old-school debian/rules with 500 lines of dh_*; plus the nexuiz on REVU is 1.2 and 2.0 is out (and has awesome shit like a campaign mode et al) | 11:13 |
| bluefoxicy | (also I found at least on windows that Nexuiz 2.0 gets 60fps with the same set of effects that 1.5 got 20fps with) | 11:14 |
| azeem | I thought you were talking about the packages in unstable | 11:14 |
| tseng | rewriting a package with cdbs is pretty shit | 11:14 |
| tseng | if it isnt your package | 11:14 |
| bluefoxicy | tseng: pisses the maintainers off too much? | 11:14 |
| tseng | we'll end up with a huge diff and possibly an angry DD | 11:14 |
| bluefoxicy | DD? | 11:14 |
| tseng | debian developer | 11:15 |
| bluefoxicy | oh | 11:15 |
| tseng | and an angry ubuntu dev every time he has to sync to debian | 11:15 |
| tseng | and merge your crazy huge diff | 11:15 |
| bluefoxicy | debian packages can't use CDBS? | 11:15 |
| tseng | please don't do it. | 11:15 |
| tseng | they can, if the maintainer wants them to | 11:15 |
| azeem | Maintainer: Debian Games Team <pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> | 11:15 |
| tseng | we aren't in the business of repackaging things | 11:15 |
| bluefoxicy | azeem: does debian even have nexuiz? I thought that went straight at REVU | 11:16 |
| azeem | I was quoting from its control file in unstable | 11:16 |
| azeem | [2006-06-27] Accepted 2.0-1 in unstable (low) (Bruno Fuddl Kleinert) | 11:16 |
| azeem | pretty recent addition | 11:17 |
| bluefoxicy | sweet. | 11:17 |
| bluefoxicy | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1634 was the last I saw | 11:18 |
| azeem | sounds like the same guy | 11:19 |
| bluefoxicy | lol@revu: FSF address is out of date <-- I copied the FSF address on there from debian/license in gzip or something | 11:19 |
| === bluefoxicy guesses he'll re-upload paxutils later.. when he remembers how | ||
| lionelp | bluefoxicy: oh, I made comments on paxutils | 11:26 |
| lionelp | I may have writent "FSF address is out of date" :) | 11:26 |
| lionelp | because she is :) | 11:26 |
| lionelp | I know that lot of documents are still comporting the old address | 11:27 |
| lionelp | but you can write the good one in debian.copyright | 11:27 |
| === azeem doesn't think that is very important | ||
| === bluefoxicy will get to it | ||
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| ryanakca | yay! I finished putting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IdeaPool in alphabetical order! | 11:44 |
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| \sh | re | 11:48 |
| \sh | tseng: ping | 11:50 |
| tseng | \sh: hi | 11:50 |
| \sh | tseng: can you do me a favour and approve https://launchpad.net/bugs/51608 | 11:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 51608 in alps-light1 "[not dev] sync request of alps-light1_1.2.2-2 from debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 11:50 |
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| \sh | keybuk doesn't trust my senses ;) | 11:51 |
| tseng | I am worthy of approving things? | 11:51 |
| tseng | oh | 11:51 |
| \sh | tseng: it needs a motu to say "yes, please, sync it's ok what \sh wrote" | 11:51 |
| tseng | you kicked yourself out of motu | 11:51 |
| tseng | right | 11:51 |
| \sh | tseng: yes | 11:51 |
| shawarma | At UDS, dholbach talked about trying to postpone uvf for universe. Does anyone know the status on that? | 11:52 |
| === tseng looks | ||
| \sh | tseng: http://merges.ubuntu.com/a/alps-light1/REPORT | 11:52 |
| tseng | no | 11:52 |
| tseng | i dont like mom :) | 11:52 |
| tseng | i poke around in debian/ myself | 11:52 |
| \sh | the change was the c2a change last time I did the merge..now it's in debian | 11:53 |
| \sh | there are no ubuntu changes anymore :) | 11:53 |
| tseng | approved | 11:53 |
| tseng | you should sign yourself up for motu | 11:53 |
| \sh | I'll try to reactive my rights on tuesday at TB meeting | 11:54 |
| tseng | good luck | 11:54 |
| \sh | tseng: and someone has to reactivate again my membership for MOTU...removing doesn't mean, I can join again, removing means "disabled status" | 11:54 |
| tseng | I still dont see why you did that | 11:55 |
| tseng | but ok. | 11:55 |
| tseng | good luck | 11:55 |
| tseng | glad you are back | 11:55 |
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