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[02:37] some of us are at work :) [02:38] and spent an hour chasing down a difference between /bin/echo and bash's built-in echo [02:38] I'm going to the show shortly :) === ryanakca__ [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:40] rob: nice [02:41] I just got home from shoping with the wife, etc. === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@59.167.32.207] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jhnjwng [n=wj1918@pool-70-18-166-13.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca___ [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === badbrainz [n=me@adsl-065-012-248-023.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fry3001 [n=ksven@dipb141004.dig-prov.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.155.231] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] Heya gang [04:18] hi bddebian [04:18] Heya LaserJock [04:21] bddebian: how's it going? [04:22] OK, I guess, thanks. You? [04:40] bddebian: not bad, trying to read *all* my email === tseng looks at the thread "Tracker in Edgy" and dies slowly [04:43] tseng: :) [04:44] I will try not to go on swearing for the next hour [04:44] Ah, go ahead :-) [04:45] I would go so far as to say Beagle should be the alternative to Tracker [04:45] as Tracker uses nearly no memory in comparison [04:45] brilliant deduction === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] it doesnt even have its own ui, only a nautilus patch [04:47] tseng: I wouldn't worry too much [04:47] I am not worried, I am frustrated [04:47] ah, well then I can understand that [04:48] why? [04:48] although I've never found beagle very useful, it seems much more mature than tracker [04:48] have you read the thread? [04:48] it starts out "woo blue sky idea, someone please do my work for me" [04:48] and ends with hypothetical corner cases deep in the kernel [04:49] courtesy of John Moser === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] many threads kinda end up that way on tech mailing lists. I did not pay much attention, but I see your point. [04:52] I will just refrain from replying as it has gone into reiser4 fanboing [04:54] yeah, there was like only 1 or 2 emails in the thread that actually had anything to do with tracker/beagle [05:02] huhu [05:03] hi zakame [05:04] Heya zakame [05:05] hi LazerJock bddebian! =) [05:05] looks like I'll be in Manila longer than usual [05:09] Oh? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee_@CPE-144-136-118-234.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] hi all === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:17] Heya Hobbsee [05:17] hi bddebian :) [05:17] hi ajmitch_ [05:17] hey [05:17] heya Hobbsee [05:17] hey zul [05:18] Hey ya Hobbsee, bddebian and zul [05:18] hi zul [05:18] hi Hawkwind [05:18] anyone running edgy on amd64? === duro [n=duro@216.230.150.5] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] if they are wanna test something for me? ;) === Hobbsee isnt [05:21] Heya Hawkwind, zul [05:22] zul: Not I, or I'd test it for ya === Hobbsee is still repairing her system. [05:22] I still need to get an amd64 box :-( === zakame will be looking for one today [05:23] hmmm...must fiddle with qemu then [05:23] Hey Hobbsee. [05:24] hi TheMuso === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] hi imbrandon [05:29] Hey imbrandon. [05:29] heya ( /me kicks osx ) [05:29] hey TheMuso [05:31] any irssi gurus in here ? [05:31] just a casual user here [05:32] heh whats the file that stores the default nickname and default server [05:32] and autojoin chans etc [05:33] .irrsi/config [05:33] cool thanks === abelcheung__ [n=abelcheu@221.126.152.79] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:41] Hi imbrandon [05:41] heya bddebian [05:42] bah i hate kern updates, brb === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@ool-45796272.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nexu is now known as nexu|ET === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:27] Gnight folks === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BazziR [n=Bastian@p508006D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.155.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@59.167.32.207] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:49] morning [07:51] hi Gloubiboulga [07:52] hey Hobbsee === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:30] anyone feel like uploading something for me? [08:32] Hobbsee, sure [08:32] Gloubiboulga: thanks :) uploading in a sec - forgot to debsign it === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:33] ok === Hobbsee sets an alias for debsign, to actually include the darn key! === Hobbsee pokes revu [08:37] Gloubiboulga: right, it's uploaded, will grab you teh link in a sec [08:37] oh, stupid dput! it didnt upload the .orig.tar.gz! [08:39] poor dput ;) [08:39] Gloubiboulga: http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/kdiff3/kdiff3_0.9.90.orig.tar.gz is the .orig.tar.gz. [08:39] I think dput only does what he's asked to do :p [08:39] Hobbsee, ok [08:39] it should have uploaded them all with the .changes file. [08:40] have you use scott's merge-buildpackage? [08:40] used* [08:46] Gloubiboulga: yes [08:46] or hang on, did i use that, or his genchanges? === Yagisan waves hello [08:47] hi Yagisan [08:47] Gloubiboulga: want me to use teh buildpackage, and reupload? [08:47] meh - I lost a day. [08:47] Hobbsee, as you want [08:48] Gloubiboulga: it doesnt matter to me - that way has worked before. revu package is at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2572 === Gloubiboulga looks [08:52] thanks Gloubiboulga :) === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@59.167.32.207] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nexu|ET is now known as nexu [09:01] Hobbsee, the .diff.gz is really big === Hobbsee looks [09:03] there's a lot of .pot file changes, but maybe it's normal for KDE apps (I don't know how translations work for you) [09:04] Gloubiboulga: two upstream releases between this and the last ubuntu release - that got anything to do with it? [09:04] but you're right, there are [09:04] the debian diff is smaller [09:06] Gloubiboulga: wow, it's way smaller. i'm not sure what happened there [09:06] maybe a MoM 'bug' [09:06] Gloubiboulga: the debian patch is huge, too [09:07] yes, cause the ubuntu and debian diff.gz are really different [09:07] why? === Hobbsee is kinda lost now. [09:08] Gloubiboulga: sheesh! the debian patch is bigger than the .orig.tar.gz! [09:09] yes... [09:09] I'd just apply the changes manually to keep the diff as small as possible with debian === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:12] Gloubiboulga: yeah, i'm not really confident with that patch now - it looked okay to me before, but...something seems to have borked [09:12] hello raphink [09:12] hi raphink [09:12] yop Gloubiboulga && Hobbsee [09:12] Hobbsee, I think so too === Hobbsee tries not to pass out. === lukketto [n=lukketto@host22-132.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:16] Gloubiboulga: what, as in, grab the debian source, do the patches manually, then upload it? [09:16] do i still use the merge-buildpackage? === Hobbsee damn well REFUSES to pass out! [09:17] Hobbsee, yes, do that and run merger-buildpackage [09:17] Gloubiboulga: merger-buildpackage? [09:17] what's that? [09:17] it will generate a very nice source.changes including all the debian hcanges === Hobbsee only knew about a merge-buildpackage [09:18] err, merge-buildpackage (typo) [09:18] right :P [09:18] use grab-merge.sh to get the source [09:18] s [09:18] yep === nikola [n=pygi@83-131-234-110.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-234-110.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] lionelp: are you there ? [09:28] Yes :) [09:28] Sorry, yesterday I was away [09:29] and night, I was in front of my TV for brazil-france :) [09:30] AnAnt ? [09:31] Oh, you have just uploaded kchmviewer [09:34] lionelp: yup [09:35] lionelp: did u see what I said yesterday ? [09:35] lionelp: also I fixed something in freedict [09:37] I saw, but I dot not remember anymore [09:38] lionelp: regarding kchmviewer, the difference between my package & the one in Debian is that mine doesn't need KDE, ie. builds against QT only [09:39] yep, I just scroll to see what you told yesterday [09:39] lionelp: I wish I know how to make several variants, ie add a variant to compile against QT only, and leave the original variant which compiles against KDE, but I am still weak in packaging === lukketto [n=lukketto@host22-132.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:40] KDE support is useless ? [09:40] AnAnt: um, why do you want to make a QT package only? which of the KDE packages were involved in making the KDE version? [09:41] what does debian/control say for each version? (in particular, the deps and build-deps) [09:42] Hobbsee: it's the build-deps that are different in the source package === lukketto [n=lukketto@host22-132.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] AnAnt: which build-deps? === Hobbsee is a KDE-ish person. [09:42] Hobbsee: libqt3-mt-dev [09:42] Hobbsee: libqt3-mt-dev in my package [09:43] yep [09:43] Hobbsee: kdelibs4-dev in the original package [09:43] original=Debian === AnAnt is anti-KDE person. [09:44] lionelp: yes, it is not needed [09:44] AnAnt: it does provide useful features [09:44] Hobbsee: as what ? [09:44] programs built with with qt look horrible [09:44] However, it may be compiled [09:44] with full KDE support, including KDE widgets and KIO/KHTML. [09:44] and they don't have all the functionalities from KDE [09:44] just as Hobbsee said [09:45] Hi raphink :) [09:45] if this program is called Kchmviewer, it's because it's aimed to be built in KDE [09:45] hi lionelp [09:45] interesting that the ubuntu version only needs kdelibs4c2a... [09:46] as for freedict, I added an arabic-english dictionary (from ftp.dict.org) [09:46] AnAnt: if you're anti-kde, I suggest you port the program to gtk [09:47] instead of preventing KDE people from using the KDE programs to the full [09:47] raphink: I wish I know how to do so [09:47] there are guides to learn gtk [09:47] :) [09:47] raphink: well, that's why I want to add a variant in the control file with compiles against QT only, but dunno how [09:47] AnAnt: for those kde haters, it's not that hard to grab the source, pull out the kde dep, and recompile it. [09:47] yes [09:47] AnAnt: that would require two packages, unless you used an | i guess [09:48] Hobbsee: what | are you talking about ? [09:48] Hobbsee: yes, I want to do like VIM for example, it can create several binary packages [09:48] Hobbsee: no that does require to build two packages [09:48] raphink: ah okay [09:49] AnAnt: your package will still need to build-depend on kdelibs [09:49] since you'll be using it for one of the two binaries [09:49] raphink: you cant do a b-d on kdelibs4c2a|libqt3-mt-dev? [09:49] good point [09:49] oh yes ! [09:49] ;) [09:50] can't I do kdelibs4c2a|libqt3-mt-dev ? [09:50] well that works if you build your package in your env [09:50] but not in a pbuilder [09:50] presumably that only works for deps, not build-deps [09:50] like sbuilder/pbuilder [09:50] ah yes [09:51] it makes no sense for build-deps [09:51] because you can't choose the one to use in a pbuilder/sbuilder [09:51] why not for pbuilder ? [09:51] and this is what is gonna be used to build the package eventually [09:51] AnAnt: because you just give it the .dsc and it builds [09:51] raphink: so ? [09:51] so the package has to be clear as to which build-deps to use [09:51] raphink: it will build the 2 variants, right ? [09:52] no [09:52] it will grab the first working lib [09:52] in that case, kdelibs4c2a [09:52] raphink: why does it build several variants in VIM then ? [09:52] and not the second one, since the rule says | [09:52] AnAnt: because there are several packages defined in debian/control [09:52] and rules to build all the variants in debian/rules [09:52] raphink: well, I want to do that too [09:53] raphink: I just don't understand what to do in the rules file [09:53] and debian/*.install files to tell which file goes in which package [09:53] AnAnt: grab the vim package and study it ;) [09:53] hmmm === raphink has to run to the church :) [09:53] raphink: enjoy :) [09:54] thanks [09:54] AnAnt: if you were to do that, you'd have to build two files, whihc is more inconvenient than building one. then again, you'd only install one presumably [09:54] it's still confusing. [09:55] Hobbsee: fine, I'm satisfied in building two files, it's a one time thing [09:56] Hobbsee: but I see it is a nice feature to have 2 variants, one for KDE/QT, another for QT only [09:56] and doing updates for it, at infinitum, i think [09:56] maybe not [09:56] maybe the next maintainer would just axe the qt only port. [09:56] hmmm [09:56] AnAnt: you an ex-gentoo user, by any chance? [09:57] Hobbsee: nope [10:02] is there are a large prospective userbase for the Qt-only package? [10:03] crimsun: dunno === polpak [n=polpak@ip68-6-43-90.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === paniq [n=braniq@pD9527AEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-242-161.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-100-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sean_ [n=sean@sub-stinger-dsl-67-43-69-241.wvi.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:45] hello motuies [10:46] hi [10:46] hi crimsun [10:46] hi antinobody [10:46] hey Hobbsee [10:46] how goes along the merging? [10:47] antinobody: one that seems to have borked, otherwise okay :) === Hobbsee was out before === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung__ [n=abelcheu@221.126.153.193] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:50] Hobbsee: I'm told to ask you about merge-o-matic? [10:51] antinobody: you got told that by the edgychanges link? glad someone reads it [10:51] antinobody: yes, there is a mergeomatic, it makes our lives much easier for merging [10:51] Hobbsee: What is it, exactly? [10:51] antinobody: merges.ubuntu.com [10:52] Hobbsee: right, like the link in the topic [10:52] antinobody: yep, that's it === Hobbsee is tryign to get a copy of the history file associated with what keybuk told me. === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/KampingKaiser/x-3453498] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:53] then again, it would be on the logs, to [10:53] o [10:54] !logs [10:54] ah [10:54] people/~fabbione/irclogs/ [10:54] yep === Kamping_Kaiser hugs Hobbsee === Hobbsee hugs Kamping_Kaiser [10:55] :) === Gloubiboulga_ [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:56] antinobody: just grabbing the log of it now, and condensing it a bit [10:58] Hobbsee: How does one update the thing? When a merge is finished, is there a mechanism for reporting that? I remember something about a bug report... [10:59] antinobody: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-devel-2006-06-30.html - start where keybuk says "Hobbsee: in case nobody's said already, could you use the -v option to debuild when building merged uploads.." [10:59] antinobody: poke a MOTU to upload it for you, or file a bug about it, assign it to MOTU reviewers === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] Hobbsee: thanky [11:02] antinobody: oh, and upload to REVU [11:03] right, right === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] If I want to help with merging, how can I request a sync if I am no MOTU? [11:15] lfittl: ping a motu, like maybe StevenK? [11:15] or just ask if there's anyone who wants to review a package [11:16] Hobbsee: k [11:16] Hey, no dobbing me in. === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@ubuntu/member/ozamosi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:17] StevenK: :P === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gilbert [n=gilbert@p83.129.184.17.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:36] I just made a .deb for edgy; and 'debuild' gave me the error "bad-distribution-in-changes-file edgy" [11:36] Isn't it called "edgy"? [11:38] DanielC: it is, but lintian isn't updated yet [11:38] Ok. So this warning is safe to ignore? [11:40] lintian also says "no-copyright-file". But I do have a debian/copyright file. :( === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:52] How about this lintian error: package-uses-debhelper-but-lacks-build-depends ? [11:52] This package doesn't have any dependencies. [11:53] Lintian is talking about Build-Depends, not Depends, there. [11:54] They should appear in the first stanza in debian/control if the package needs anything more than build-essential to build. [11:54] Ok... so should I add a Build-Depends and leave it blank? [11:54] No, Build-Depends: debhelper [11:54] The package doesn't need anything to build. [11:54] Ok... [11:54] Evidently, it needs debhelper. [11:55] I'm using debhelper (the dh_*) files. [11:55] I mean..., I'm suing the dh_* helper scripts. [11:56] You might notice that this is my first time making a .deb file :) === StevenK nods. [11:56] debhelper isn't build-essential, so you need to Build-Depends on it explicity. [11:57] Ok. I guess I got confused by the fact that this package isn't even compilable software; it's just documentation... [11:57] But I guess that in this context build doesn't imply "compile". [11:58] I just ran debuilder again. Problem fixed. Thanks! [12:02] <_ion> You should build the packages with pbuilder/sbuild (i.e. using a chroot) in order to find problems with build-deps. === DanielC is running 'pbuilder create' now... [12:04] yay [12:05] what does pbuilder create do? I just know that pbuilder told me to run that. === gilbert is now known as gilbert-lojban-b [12:08] Ok, I think I understand now, based on the man page... let's see... the best way to build Debian packages is through a chroot environment. I take that to mean that it's a directory with a minimalist Debian installation in which you chroot. [12:08] and `pbuilder create` will create this directory. [12:08] Am I close? [12:10] yes [12:10] Ok, I'm learning :) [12:10] Where can I find this directory? [12:10] it creates a chroot then tgz it to use it again when you run 'pbuilder buil' [12:11] if you've not changed the default config the .tgz is stored in /var/cache/pbuilder [12:11] Ok, I see it. It's base.tgz [12:11] yes [12:12] I wonder how I managed to put a file in there without being root... pbuilder doesn't have the suid bit set... [12:14] stupid me, I was root. [12:15] hehe === _ion _always_ uses sudo, so he never accidentally runs stuff as root. [12:16] So do I... but I actually used 'sudo' this time... that's why it's embarrassing. [12:17] I pressed the "up" arrow key, and edited a command that had used 'sudo' before. [12:17] Do you normally run pbuilder as root or as a regular user? The packaging guide has "sudo" on it. [12:18] But I'm surprised that you'd need root privileges to make debs. [12:18] you can set up pbuilder to run it as a user, but I always uses 'sudo pbuilder' [12:18] ok [12:19] Any reason for that? [12:19] yes, laziness ;) [12:19] ok :) [12:22] does somebody have time to request a sync for 44 packages that I just checked? (really simple ones, just build-dep fixes for dapper that were also fixed in debian) [12:25] I run pdebuild, which then execs sudo pbuilder [12:27] Does anyone know what this pbuild warning means: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (1234) [12:27] DanielC: It's harmless [12:27] Ok, thanks. [12:28] DanielC: It comes from dpkg, I think [12:40] Ok, the LOGNAME message was the only error (but it got printed many times). Does that mean that my package works correctly? (although debuilder gave other errors like "no-copyright-file", etc?) === Sergi0__ [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] if you find a .deb in /var/cache/pbuilder/result it worked [12:43] Well, I knew that it "worked" before in the sense that it made a .deb and the .deb installed correctly. [12:44] using pbuilder? [12:44] But debuilder threw a few warnings that I figured I should correct. Like, it thinks I have no copyright file. [12:44] Yes, pbuilder produced a .deb [12:44] ok [12:44] I haven't tried the .deb from pbuilder, but I guess it should work too. [12:44] I guess [12:45] best to try it out to know =) === DanielC removes the old package to try the one from pbuilder [12:46] works [12:49] Is there a way to prevent the creation of the directory /usr/share/doc/{$package} ? [12:50] The .debs always create this directory and it ends up empty except for the changelog file. [12:50] you should find the copyright file in the directory too [12:50] nope === DanielC remembers how debuilder complained about not finding a copyright file. [12:51] then lintian is right :) [12:51] :) [12:51] do you have a debian/copyright file in your sources ? [12:51] yes [12:51] hmm [12:52] and do you call dh_installdocs in your rules? [12:52] ah === DanielC adds dh_installdocs [12:52] :) [12:52] it will install the copyright file [12:52] *always* use it === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] Ok, now it installs the copyright file. And I learnt something new today :) [12:57] Now lintian says: copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-gpl [12:57] How do I make the copyright file do that? [12:59] you can look at some other copyright files ;) [01:00] Yes, I'm looking at the debian-policy copyright file... but I can't see anything... [01:00] look at the last paragraph of the file [01:01] "On debian systems..." [01:02] speedy: make /etc/iftab with lines like: eth0 mac 00:00:11:22:33:44 [01:03] spacey: then it will always use the same interface names [01:03] um - speedy [01:03] wow - wrong channel, wrong nick... just wrong! [01:06] Gloubiboulga_: Got it, thanks. None of the sample sources I had here had that line, but I got the sources for gaim and that one did have it. [01:07] DanielC, great === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] hi all [01:08] wb Hobbsee === gilbert-lojban-b [n=gilbert@p83.129.184.17.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:08] hey Gloubiboulga_ :) [01:09] what time is it for you Hobbsee? [01:09] @time sydney [01:09] Current time in Australia/Sydney: July 02 2006, 21:09:24 [01:09] Gloubiboulga_: not late ^ [01:09] ok :) === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-242-161.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] Is there a way to change the default doc install to something other than /usr/share/doc/{$package} ? [01:29] no [01:29] ok [01:29] <_ion> Fortunately. [01:29] right. [01:29] ? [01:30] I just didn't want to pollute the user's ../doc/ directory with many directories that are related. I thought they should all be in one common directory. [01:31] if they arent the same source package [01:31] they arent related [01:31] ok... === dsas [n=dean@host86-143-88-146.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] A good example of this would be if we wanted to put all the OpenOffice.org documentation files in the same directory (/usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/). [01:32] Is this sort of thing "not done" ? [01:33] no, it isnt. [01:33] Ok. === DanielC goes and fixes his .deb files === Yagisan waves hello. [01:35] hi Yagisan [01:35] hi [01:35] hi Yagisan [01:36] how is everyone today ? [01:36] @time Israel [01:36] Current time in Israel: July 02 2006, 14:36:21 [01:36] yay [01:36] Ubugtu: you are getting smarter on a daily basis! === Yagisan discovered that right after he committed his new non-functional cmake based build system, he instantly got bug reports, but no patches === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-25-46.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zanaga [n=ressu@62.183.242.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] <\sh> moins [02:06] hi \sh === StevenK waves to ajmitch. [02:06] ajmitch: How is sunny downtown western Sydney? [02:06] good evening StevenK [02:06] sunny? [02:07] where's this 'sun' you talk of? === ajmitch has seen more sun in canberra [02:07] Sleeping, at the moment. [02:08] figures [02:08] typical australian :) [02:08] How can I find out if a package is installed by default in Ubuntu? [02:09] rdepends it [02:09] see if any of the ubuntu meta packages depend on it [02:09] ? [02:09] its a little more complex than that but it'd give you an idea? [02:09] Ok, that should work... thanks. [02:09] or try apt-get remove it and see if ubuntu-desktop wants to go [02:09] :) [02:10] :) [02:10] <\sh> or just ask [02:11] I'm trying to get python-lxml to work on edgy. It's in depwait and waiting for pyrex and python-setuptools, so i merged the changes from debian. Is there a place to dump them to so you guys don't need to redo the work. [02:11] <\sh> ajmitch: sorry to ask, but where can I see who is doing which merges_ [02:12] \sh: currently, I don't know - people have been taking ones that they've touched last [02:13] <\sh> ajmitch: grmpf...because I have to stop some people taking sip4, pyqt, pykde etc. [02:13] hm, why is that? [02:14] <\sh> ajmitch: because they are ready on my laptop : [02:14] Heh [02:14] right :) [02:14] get someone to upload them asap [02:14] StevenK looks to be volunteering === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp21-231.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] <\sh> oh stevenk has main rights? :) [02:14] not that I know.. darn [02:15] <\sh> or I just wait for tuesday [02:15] yeah [02:15] Ok, mono-common does not "rdepend" on ubuntu-desktop (or almost anything) so that means mono is probably not installed by default? [02:15] no, it's not currently [02:15] Ok, thanks. [02:15] <\sh> or I could adjust grab_merge with our lpmerge script [02:16]