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| jsgotangco | good morning | 01:43 |
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| _dewey | are questions about installing edubuntu allowed here??? | 05:17 |
| crimsun | sure | 05:18 |
| bimberi | _dewey: absolutely! hopefully someone can help out :) | 05:19 |
| Burgundavia | _dewey: this is not a channel about edubuntu ;) | 05:20 |
| _dewey | I have downloaded and installed twice. I get only command line, not gui on installing. get gui from livecd. what am i doing wrong | 05:20 |
| bimberi | eek, 81 seconds lag :/ | 05:21 |
| bimberi | _dewey: probably nothing, possibly an issue with graphics drivers | 05:24 |
| _dewey | ok, thanks. I have another video board or another computer. I'll try again. Thanks again | 05:25 |
| bimberi | _dewey: try booting (to the text mode), logging in and 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' | 05:25 |
| _dewey | ok, I'll try ;that first | 05:25 |
| bimberi | _dewey: righto, that will ask lots of questions, the defaults are usually pretty good | 05:26 |
| bimberi | _dewey: once it finishes, try a 'sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart' and see if it gets the gui working | 05:26 |
| _dewey | ok thanks, I'll try both but must wait till morning. bedtime here in east texas. thanks agian. | 05:28 |
| bimberi | _dewey: np, sleep well :) | 05:29 |
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| highvoltage | morning, #edubuntu | 07:59 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ping | 07:59 |
| === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage | ||
| Burgundavia | hey highvoltage | 08:01 |
| bimberi_ | hi highvoltage | 08:01 |
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| highvoltage | hey bimberi_ | 08:09 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 08:10 |
| highvoltage | mr gotangco | 08:13 |
| jsgotangco | whats up? | 08:13 |
| highvoltage | 8:14 monday morning. drinking coffee and reading mail :) | 08:14 |
| highvoltage | trying to make sense of the week ahead. | 08:14 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | its 2:15pm here and im still trying to make sense of the week ahead | 08:15 |
| highvoltage | lol | 08:15 |
| bimberi_ | 16:14 monday afternoon. drinking coffee and comtemplating heading home (with a visit to a nonresponsive remote box on the way) | 08:16 |
| bimberi_ | :) | 08:16 |
| crimsun | 2:16 am and trying not to stress before a presentation in 8 hours | 08:17 |
| highvoltage | seems like we've got today covered ;) | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | crimsun: you've been merging all night! | 08:17 |
| crimsun | 08:18 | |
| crimsun | err, sorry, crazy keypresses | 08:18 |
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| cbx33 | ok guys got a question for you | 09:07 |
| cbx33 | is it normal for firefox to ignore a link to a file:/// if the page is contained on a web server | 09:07 |
| cbx33 | if the page is a local file, then it works fine | 09:08 |
| jsgotangco | i believe it assumes its a local file, not a file contained within a webserver and waits for http instead | 09:18 |
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| jsgotangco | man im bored | 09:38 |
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| DanielC | morning everyone | 09:39 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: what company do you work for? | 09:41 |
| highvoltage | morning DanielC | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: at the moment? its a small company called Bugal Pty. Ltd. | 09:42 |
| highvoltage | i've never worked for a company that allowed me to get bored before :) | 09:42 |
| DanielC | :) | 09:43 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: work here is pretty much "spur of the moment" type i would love to get busy why not | 09:43 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: maybe not just with the work load but the environment itself :/ | 09:44 |
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| highvoltage | jsgotangco: aaah. i understand. | 09:45 |
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| cbx33 | hi all | 10:52 |
| cbx33 | ping pygi | 10:53 |
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| ajaycc | hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 10:57 |
| ajaycc | i got my cd :D | 10:57 |
| ajaycc | !hi | 10:57 |
| ubotu | I know nothing about hi | 10:57 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 10:57 |
| jsgotangco | hope you like the CD | 10:57 |
| ajaycc | i do | 10:57 |
| ajaycc | i am using ubuntu sice ver 3 | 10:57 |
| cbx33 | hey jsgotangco | 10:57 |
| pygi | cbx33, how may I help you? :) | 10:57 |
| ajaycc | i wanna contribute now | 10:57 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: good morning to you | 10:58 |
| ajaycc | can anyone tell me how | 10:58 |
| pygi | ajaycc, version 3? what's that? :P | 10:58 |
| cbx33 | hi pygi just wondering how much exp you had with uimanager ? | 10:58 |
| jsgotangco | ajaycc: what are you interested in? | 10:58 |
| ajaycc | version 3 of ubuntu | 10:58 |
| ajaycc | anything that matters | 10:58 |
| ajaycc | :) | 10:58 |
| pygi | ajaycc, there was no version 3? :) | 10:58 |
| jsgotangco | ajaycc: you should be more specific than that or else we'll have you fix ltsp :P | 10:58 |
| ajaycc | lol | 10:59 |
| ajaycc | i am 16 | 10:59 |
| cbx33 | ajaycc: what are you skilled at? | 10:59 |
| ajaycc | so tell me what i can do | 10:59 |
| ajaycc | well web designing | 10:59 |
| pygi | cbx33, o yes, btw. have you choosen your task for S-C-P? | 10:59 |
| jsgotangco | are you good at art? | 10:59 |
| ajaycc | a bit | 10:59 |
| jsgotangco | web design? | 10:59 |
| ajaycc | yeah | 10:59 |
| jsgotangco | writing help pages? | 10:59 |
| cbx33 | pygi: not yet | 10:59 |
| jsgotangco | these are usual starting points to those new t the project | 10:59 |
| ajaycc | and i wanna make BIG name among the community :D | 10:59 |
| jsgotangco | ajaycc: it shouldn't be YOUR primary motive though | 10:59 |
| ajaycc | sure | 11:00 |
| cbx33 | pygi: is there a way I can use slashes in a menuitem? | 11:00 |
| ajaycc | i was kidding | 11:00 |
| pygi | cbx33, oki, I'll try to take on my task as soon as possible | 11:00 |
| cbx33 | it screws it up cos it thinks it's part of the path | 11:00 |
| jsgotangco | ajaycc: you can contribute wallpapers and stuff | 11:00 |
| cbx33 | pygi: I suppose Ishould start thinking - I don;t want the impossible one | 11:00 |
| pygi | cbx33, :P | 11:00 |
| cbx33 | AliasVegas could be becomming artwork team leader next council meeting | 11:00 |
| ajaycc | should i make my own page at wiki? | 11:00 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: really? | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | ajaycc: yes | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: possibly yes, she was approached by highvoltage and ogra | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | just needs a vote by the council | 11:01 |
| === jsgotangco spoils the vote | ||
| jsgotangco | :) | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | pygi: whos doing the plugin interface? | 11:03 |
| pygi | cbx33, me :) | 11:03 |
| cbx33 | ah cool | 11:03 |
| cbx33 | do you know what everyone else is doing? | 11:03 |
| ajaycc | i am gonna idle here and contribute :D | 11:04 |
| jsgotangco | ajaycc: we always have community meetings every wednesday | 11:04 |
| ajaycc | nice | 11:04 |
| ajaycc | will be there | 11:05 |
| ajaycc | and yeah why didnt edubuntu was a livecd? | 11:05 |
| jsgotangco | so feel free to dive in and get a feel | 11:05 |
| ajaycc | any reason?? | 11:05 |
| jsgotangco | ajaycc: there's a live CD | 11:05 |
| ajaycc | jsgotangco: sure i will be there | 11:05 |
| jsgotangco | but only for workstation | 11:05 |
| ajaycc | jsgotangco: the cd i got is installation only | 11:05 |
| ajaycc | some mistake i guess | 11:05 |
| jsgotangco | ajaycc: it doesn't really make sense performance-wise to have an ltsp livecd | 11:05 |
| jsgotangco | no its meant to be | 11:05 |
| pygi | cbx33, yes, you do one more task, and ogra does the rest :P | 11:05 |
| ajaycc | jsgotangco: that is fine was just curios | 11:05 |
| jsgotangco | edubuntu, first and foremost, is a server solution | 11:06 |
| ajaycc | yeah | 11:06 |
| pygi | cbx33, tho,I'll help once I'm done with plugin stuff | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | pygi: plugin stuff shouldn't be too difficult should it? | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | just need some kind of small API right? | 11:07 |
| ajaycc | i am gonna install ubuntu, kubuntu and edubntu on my lappy seperately | 11:07 |
| jsgotangco | ajaycc: if you have a spare machine, you might want to play around with the server stuff, its really nice and shiny | 11:07 |
| cbx33 | what about xubuntu? | 11:07 |
| ajaycc | i already got that | 11:07 |
| pygi | cbx33, nop, shouldn't be too difficult, that's why I said I'll help ogra on other taks as well | 11:07 |
| ajaycc | jsgotangco: i aint got extra machine :( | 11:07 |
| ajaycc | so gotta play with my lappy | 11:07 |
| cbx33 | I'll help out on what ever I can, may need a bit of help sometimes pygi | 11:07 |
| cbx33 | ajaycc: how fast is the lappy | 11:08 |
| cbx33 | you could always use vmware | 11:08 |
| ajaycc | cant man | 11:08 |
| cbx33 | y? | 11:08 |
| pygi | cbx33, no problem, you can always poke around me or someone:) | 11:08 |
| ajaycc | this is pentium M 740 256 MB DDR2 | 11:08 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 11:08 |
| cbx33 | ajaycc: ah ok | 11:08 |
| jsgotangco | it'll crawl | 11:08 |
| ajaycc | :D | 11:08 |
| jsgotangco | ajaycc: you're always welcome to test the workstation though! | 11:08 |
| ajaycc | i will today | 11:09 |
| cbx33 | pygi: can you point me in the direction of a task that hasn't been assigned and will be doable? | 11:09 |
| pygi | cbx33, sure, if you gimme url with taks (I forgot it :P) | 11:09 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:09 |
| cbx33 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelCompletion | 11:09 |
| pygi | thanks | 11:10 |
| pygi | what about Killing processes? | 11:10 |
| pygi | that should be easily doable | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | yeh, ok | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | I'll give that one a look | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | are we using bzr? | 11:10 |
| jsgotangco | yes please! | 11:10 |
| pygi | cbx33, yes :) | 11:11 |
| ajaycc | my parents and school people think linux is crap | 11:11 |
| ajaycc | :( | 11:11 |
| cbx33 | ajaycc: well, advocacy can be hard sometimes | 11:11 |
| cbx33 | why do they think it's crap? | 11:11 |
| ajaycc | they are all mad | 11:12 |
| ajaycc | i am convincing our school head to install edubuntu | 11:12 |
| ajaycc | but he wont listen | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | cool | 11:12 |
| ajaycc | that git | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | aww | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | I actually work for a school | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | so I may be able to give you some pointers there | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | on how to persuade | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | we have a linux and windows system here | 11:12 |
| ajaycc | nice | 11:12 |
| ajaycc | mail me man | 11:12 |
| ajaycc | we got only windows | 11:12 |
| ajaycc | and the pc are shit | 11:12 |
| ajaycc | he is buying all new pc | 11:13 |
| ajaycc | i am telling him to buy a really good server | 11:13 |
| ajaycc | and get thin clients ready | 11:13 |
| ajaycc | and i told him i will take responsibility | 11:13 |
| cbx33 | who acutally does all the installation | 11:13 |
| ajaycc | but that fool refused | 11:13 |
| ajaycc | i will | 11:13 |
| pygi | ajaycc, calm down :P | 11:13 |
| ajaycc | our teacher knows shit nothing else | 11:13 |
| ajaycc | :) | 11:13 |
| cbx33 | is there not an IT team there? | 11:13 |
| ajaycc | heh | 11:13 |
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| ajaycc | IT team is crap they dunno what is RAID and dunno what linux | 11:14 |
| cbx33 | it that case | 11:14 |
| cbx33 | that's probably why he doesn't want to move to a linux system | 11:14 |
| ajaycc | yeah | 11:14 |
| cbx33 | if you're going to be supporting it | 11:14 |
| cbx33 | what happens when you leave | 11:14 |
| cbx33 | he's left with a good system, but if something goes wrong, limited options to get it fixed | 11:15 |
| pygi | ajaycc, what country are you anyway? | 11:15 |
| ajaycc | i will stay here man and i am ready to train a few dingbats | 11:15 |
| ajaycc | pygi: India | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | plus, the whole teaching curriculum would have to be changed | 11:15 |
| ajaycc | cbx33: as it is each an everyday they install winxp cos it crashes everyday | 11:15 |
| ajaycc | cbx33: we just learn C++ nothing else | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | I'm facing the same issues here | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | you actually learn c++ at school? | 11:15 |
| ajaycc | i know it others do | 11:16 |
| cbx33 | pygi: do we have a bzr url for scp? | 11:16 |
| ajaycc | i just sit there glaring at the teacher | 11:16 |
| pygi | cbx33, there is official one from ogra, and we should branch from it | 11:16 |
| ajaycc | staring not glaring :) | 11:16 |
| cbx33 | pygi: ok grabbing it now | 11:16 |
| cbx33 | the one on LP? | 11:16 |
| ajaycc | brb | 11:17 |
| pygi | cbx33, yes I believe | 11:17 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:18 |
| cbx33 | am grabbing now | 11:18 |
| cbx33 | pygi: the annoying thing is | 11:19 |
| cbx33 | I want to develop on my laptop | 11:19 |
| cbx33 | but I'll need clients logged in etc to do it | 11:19 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: in most indian schools I know, they teach students to program, nothing more, and most of these students are too poor to buy a computer, so when they go to work, they only know how to program and have no clue in installing an OS...ive encountered such quite a number of times | 11:27 |
| jsgotangco | amazingly there are some really good programmers that sprang out of it | 11:27 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: i see | 11:27 |
| cbx33 | of course | 11:27 |
| cbx33 | everything I learnt was off my own back | 11:28 |
| jsgotangco | when i was in hyderabad a few months ago, i even have to teach them how to make partitions | 11:28 |
| cbx33 | crikey | 11:28 |
| jsgotangco | it surprised me as well | 11:28 |
| jsgotangco | i always get to learn lots of things when i travel and interact with people on technology | 11:30 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: for me a day isn't worth it unless I've learnt something | 11:30 |
| jsgotangco | oh i learn something everyday no doubt | 11:30 |
| jsgotangco | but learning from outside is quite different | 11:31 |
| cbx33 | true | 11:31 |
| jsgotangco | and you appreciate the simple things that most people are not able to get or comprehend | 11:31 |
| cbx33 | i feel I havn't accomplished anything unless I learn | 11:31 |
| jsgotangco | in a way, even if its miniscule, im very proud to be involved in ubuntu and has probably made me more fulfilled in life | 11:32 |
| cbx33 | me too | 11:32 |
| cbx33 | and my contribution is smaller than yours :p | 11:32 |
| jsgotangco | it has become my vice | 11:32 |
| jsgotangco | im very thankful for the opportunities the project has given me | 11:34 |
| cbx33 | yes | 11:34 |
| cbx33 | I love working on *buntu so much | 11:34 |
| cbx33 | I'm ever hopeful of working for Canonical one day | 11:34 |
| jsgotangco | its a nice goal its something i would think of as a bonus if it happened to me | 11:35 |
| cbx33 | atm it's my goal | 11:35 |
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| cbx33 | I could do this work all day long | 11:35 |
| cbx33 | I am able to affect a few people here, but working for them I feel I could do so much more | 11:36 |
| jsgotangco | i would like to do that too sometime | 11:36 |
| jsgotangco | or given the chance why not | 11:36 |
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| cbx33 | pygi: you still there? | 11:38 |
| pygi | cbx33, no :P | 11:38 |
| cbx33 | do you have the scp code there? | 11:39 |
| pygi | where? :P | 11:39 |
| cbx33 | do you have it available to look at? | 11:39 |
| pygi | nop, not ATM | 11:39 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:39 |
| cbx33 | if you do | 11:39 |
| cbx33 | if count: | 11:40 |
| cbx33 | does it pass if count is only 1 | 11:40 |
| cbx33 | or just anything greater than 0 | 11:40 |
| cbx33 | ok just made one modification | 11:51 |
| cbx33 | now I don;t get any errors if I run it without any users being connected | 11:51 |
| ogra | cbx33, you got errors ? | 12:16 |
| cbx33 | yeh only one I fixed it if you want a patch | 12:17 |
| ogra | i never had any errors | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | or I may be completely wrong | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | the populate_procs function | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | last 4 lines | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | I think should be inside the if indent | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | they are only useful if the previous 2 lines are ran anyway | 12:17 |
| === ogra installs the package | ||
| cbx33 | it was an uninitialised variable | 12:18 |
| ogra | oh, right i get that too | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | it's because the machine I'm running it on has no ltsp server or clients on it | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | I have to find a way to setup something so I can develop at home | 12:19 |
| ogra | that'll be hard | 12:19 |
| ogra | the ltsp connections dont use a login shell via ssh, so you dont have any pty's attached | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | I know, but I can't really spend too much time developing here | 12:20 |
| ogra | keep that in mind .. | 12:20 |
| cbx33 | work is enveloping me | 12:20 |
| cbx33 | I'll have to just setup some vm's somewhere | 12:20 |
| cbx33 | only problem is the main machine I'd use for testing has a very.....ooop nevermind I have a brilliant idea :D | 12:20 |
| cbx33 | did you get the same error as I? | 12:21 |
| ogra | yep | 12:21 |
| cbx33 | and does the flag parameter actually do anything? | 12:22 |
| ogra | user referenced before assignment | 12:22 |
| cbx33 | it's never returned and from what I can see it's never set when populate_procs is called | 12:22 |
| cbx33 | on line 52 | 12:22 |
| ogra | but please use try statemanes instead if if statements for such cases where possible | 12:22 |
| ogra | *statements | 12:22 |
| cbx33 | you konw I didn;'t write the original right ;P ? | 12:23 |
| ogra | no, but if you add such tests, try is the better way ... :) | 12:23 |
| cbx33 | right ok | 12:24 |
| cbx33 | may I ask for what reason...so I can understand better? | 12:24 |
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| cbx33 | I'm hopefully going to get started on the kill procedure later | 12:26 |
| spacey | hi hi | 12:27 |
| === DanielC waves | ||
| ogra | cbx33, its the error catching function ... and looks better in the code :) | 12:28 |
| cbx33 | ok | 12:28 |
| cbx33 | ogra: you said in a bzr comment that the kill button was hidden in the gui | 12:28 |
| cbx33 | I don;t see it | 12:28 |
| cbx33 | sorry in the spec | 12:28 |
| cbx33 | not in the bzr comment | 12:28 |
| cbx33 | am I ok to add it? | 12:28 |
| ogra | hmm, i thought i had added it already ... look through the bzr revisions, probably i dropped it at some point, just grab the bzr diff and reapply it :) | 12:29 |
| ogra | yay, my edubuntu CDs arrived :) | 12:30 |
| DanielC | ogra: Why do you need Edubuntu CDs? | 12:30 |
| highvoltage | mine too, just a few minutes ago :) | 12:30 |
| ogra | DanielC, to frame them ;) | 12:30 |
| highvoltage | (and Ubuntu CD's) | 12:30 |
| DanielC | really? | 12:30 |
| ogra | DanielC, well, i'll need them for talks etc to give away ... but these 5 are just for my closet | 12:31 |
| DanielC | :) | 12:32 |
| ogra | i'll get anotehr box with 500 the next weeks for some talks i'll hold ... | 12:32 |
| spacey | i should get some edubuntu cd's as well | 12:33 |
| spacey | but since only part of my mixed order was approved i have no idea how many | 12:33 |
| ogra | yeah, order them, share them ! | 12:33 |
| ogra | make us famous :) | 12:34 |
| spacey | i ordered a batch as well for my scheduled talks | 12:34 |
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| spacey | ogra: there is some fundamental work being done to get linux to the primary schools in the netherlands | 12:35 |
| spacey | its in the early stages | 12:35 |
| spacey | so we just have to wait | 12:35 |
| ogra | cool | 12:35 |
| spacey | in anycase i'm involved with it | 12:35 |
| spacey | and making sure it will be edubuntu | 12:35 |
| spacey | :p | 12:35 |
| spacey | at least with a focus on edubuntu | 12:35 |
| ogra | i had a nice phonecall with a guy who works tight with the ministry of culture and arts in bayern, they are intrested too | 12:35 |
| spacey | thats nice | 12:36 |
| ogra | yeah | 12:36 |
| ogra | he wants to start a big PR campaign :) | 12:36 |
| cbx33 | excellent | 12:37 |
| cbx33 | how long till Richard starts? | 12:38 |
| ogra | 11days iirc | 12:38 |
| cbx33 | ok | 12:39 |
| cbx33 | I need to talk to him about BETT2007 | 12:39 |
| ogra | cbx33, btw, note that the s-c-p spec still isnt approved, there might still be changes in details | 12:41 |
| highvoltage | ogra: could you please go through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuXfceDesktop ? | 12:41 |
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| cbx33 | ogra: ok cool | 12:41 |
| ogra | highvoltage, reading | 12:41 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i would like to put it up for review today, but not sure what else needs to be fixed | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | ogra: could it be dropped altogether? | 12:41 |
| rodarvus | good morning | 12:42 |
| ogra | cbx33, nope, it has high priority and is on my list for implementations in dapper | 12:42 |
| ogra | err | 12:42 |
| ogra | edgy | 12:42 |
| highvoltage | morning rodarvus | 12:42 |
| ogra | morning rodarvus | 12:42 |
| cbx33 | ok cool | 12:42 |
| cbx33 | hi rodarvus | 12:42 |
| ogra | rodarvus, now i actually have been convinced by fabionne to watch some soccer and your people just loose ... what happened ? that was pretty ppor for .br | 12:43 |
| ogra | *poor | 12:43 |
| rodarvus | ogra, that was the worse football game ever | 12:44 |
| rodarvus | shame on us | 12:44 |
| rodarvus | praise zidane | 12:44 |
| ogra | well, old farts running after the ball ... your team needs fresh blood | 12:45 |
| rodarvus | I believe the problem was not their ages, but their egos | 12:45 |
| ogra | zidane had two or three enlightened moments, but wasnt great either i found ... | 12:45 |
| ogra | actually from three games i watched i found none to be world class | 12:46 |
| bimberi | ogra: you didn't see any of the Socceroo games then! :P | 12:46 |
| ogra | well, i watched germany<->argentinia ... italy<->ukraine and brazil<->france | 12:48 |
| ogra | neither was convincing ... | 12:48 |
| rodarvus | germany vs argentina was ok | 12:48 |
| rodarvus | "big" teams usually don't play beautiful football when playing against other big teams | 12:49 |
| ogra | yes, i didnt say it wasnt ok... but i'd have expected more from a "world championship" | 12:49 |
| rodarvus | it is believed that this could lead to a loss | 12:49 |
| ogra | i remember once i was brazil vs someone in a championship while zapping through the channels and i usualy never stop at sports, but it was so entertaining that i couldnt move on :) | 12:50 |
| ogra | s/was/saw/ | 12:51 |
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| cbx33 | ogra: I can't see the kill button in any of the diffs | 12:51 |
| ogra | there was nothing like that yet in this championship | 12:51 |
| cbx33 | I'll just create it | 12:51 |
| rodarvus | ogra, also, most brazilians blame it on the coach+players ego | 12:51 |
| cbx33 | :D | 12:51 |
| cbx33 | ogra: what's your opinion on the flag parameter I mentioned earlier? | 12:52 |
| rodarvus | we believe another coach, such as Felipe Scolari (current coach of the Portugal squad) could have made it a completely different team | 12:52 |
| ogra | cbx33, we'll need to decide how to implement it in tne ui then ... | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | that's what I though | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | i think below the process list might be the most sensible place | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | then we have consistency with the disconnect button below the users | 12:52 |
| ogra | it's placement should visually indicate where it applies to | 12:53 |
| ogra | and not break the design too much ... | 12:54 |
| bimberi | rodarvus: that would be in the teams approach wouldn't it? surely the players wouldn't change much - hi btw :) | 12:54 |
| cbx33 | do you not think underneath the process list would? | 12:54 |
| ogra | rodarvus, but your coach won several championships already ... i bet he'd be capable :) | 12:54 |
| ogra | cbx33, sure i think under the processlist would ;) | 12:55 |
| cbx33 | ok cool | 12:55 |
| rodarvus | bimberi, exactly | 12:56 |
| rodarvus | the main point is that Brazil never played as a "team", but instead, as a bunch of "starts" | 12:57 |
| ogra | well, you need to replace the players at some point | 12:57 |
| ogra | they get older ... no way around that | 12:57 |
| bimberi | rodarvus: stars or tarts ? ;P | 12:57 |
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| rodarvus | ogra, that too :) | 12:58 |
| rodarvus | bimberi, tart == clown? (in this case, I agree :) ) | 01:00 |
| Yagisan | tart ? | 01:00 |
| Yagisan | well, it's a desert, and a woman of loose morals down here | 01:00 |
| rodarvus | Yagisan, thats what wikipedia tells me too | 01:00 |
| bimberi | thankyou Yagisan, i was struggling to find the right words :) | 01:01 |
| bimberi | it's also used to describe someone (of any gender) who only does something if paid | 01:02 |
| Yagisan | I believe that paid variety has various names, but tart isn't one down here. | 01:03 |
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| bimberi | that's why i was struggling | 01:06 |
| Yagisan | bimberi: I got good at trying to find other ways to describe things by marrying someone that is not a native speaker in my language. | 01:07 |
| Yagisan | works well (when we understand each other) | 01:08 |
| cbx33 | hey Yagisan howz it going | 01:09 |
| Yagisan | cbx33: I seem to have caught a cold. Am mastering cmake, and divorcing doomsday and autotools. | 01:12 |
| Yagisan | cbx33: I also mets some motus in real life today | 01:12 |
| cbx33 | cool | 01:12 |
| Yagisan | yes. I thought it was fascinating this place outside of IRC | 01:13 |
| ogra | highvoltage, your use cases need fleshing out ... | 01:13 |
| Yagisan | but I missed the nick highlighting when people mentioned me | 01:13 |
| ogra | highvoltage, * A poor school only has 5 old PIII machines, and needs to continue using these machines for an extended period. | 01:13 |
| ogra | highvoltage, add something like: they try edubuntu and find the xfce option, they install it and are happy (or something like that) | 01:14 |
| ogra | a use case should always be a positive thing solved by that spec in the end :) | 01:14 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ok, thanks. good tip :) | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | ogra: what about, they install it and go on a mad rampage to destroy Mircosoft | 01:16 |
| ogra | thats valid :) | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage: use that one, use that one :p | 01:16 |
| ogra | but you need to add positive bits :) | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | the dark empire crumbles and linux reigns supreme | 01:17 |
| cbx33 | ? | 01:17 |
| ogra | they install it and out of blind happyness about opne source software they go on a mad rampage to destroy Mircosoft | 01:17 |
| cbx33 | ahhh i see | 01:17 |
| cbx33 | got all caught up in the destruction of proprietary kernels | 01:17 |
| cbx33 | if a router uses a linux kernel | 01:26 |
| cbx33 | they should display GPL license somewhere | 01:26 |
| Yagisan | yes, but often they don't | 01:26 |
| cbx33 | I have a belkin router | 01:28 |
| cbx33 | and It is definitely a nix system | 01:29 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: how can you tell? | 01:47 |
| cbx33 | well, ok I can't if functions exactly like a nix system | 01:51 |
| cbx33 | if you know what I mean | 01:51 |
| cbx33 | from the work they have done it would beSTUPID to do develop it from scratch | 01:51 |
| cbx33 | ogra: do you think the process should be sorted? | 01:52 |
| cbx33 | and also do you think that the list should auto update? | 01:52 |
| ogra | yes it should auto update and it should be sorted by process number ... | 01:52 |
| cbx33 | ok | 01:52 |
| cbx33 | i didn't see it auto update | 01:53 |
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| cbx33 | what's the frequency? | 01:53 |
| cbx33 | and I noticed the process list and user name etc stay after the user has been disconnected | 01:53 |
| ogra | oh, i thought aou saked about implementing that :) | 01:53 |
| ogra | *asked | 01:53 |
| ogra | *you | 01:53 |
| cbx33 | ah....hehe | 01:53 |
| cbx33 | so it "should" but doesn't currently | 01:54 |
| ogra | currently it only spills out the processes | 01:54 |
| ogra | it would be nice if we could have icons like gnome-system-monitor has | 01:54 |
| cbx33 | i think having the pid in the list would be useful too | 01:54 |
| ogra | that would make the ui useless ... | 01:54 |
| cbx33 | is it normal for gconfd to be orphaned? | 01:55 |
| cbx33 | the user has been disconnected but the process still remains | 01:55 |
| ogra | imagine an arts teacher who just knows how to click stuff, he must understand and use it | 01:55 |
| cbx33 | ok | 01:55 |
| ogra | dont confuse him with weird numbers | 01:55 |
| ogra | (if you feel its needed, we can make it an option you can switch on/off | 01:56 |
| ogra | ) | 01:56 |
| cbx33 | nah it's ok | 01:56 |
| cbx33 | I see your point | 01:56 |
| ogra | but i see yours too :) | 01:56 |
| ogra | so it might be a good thing to have it optional | 01:56 |
| cbx33 | well what about an advanced mode | 01:56 |
| cbx33 | that turns some things on in the ui | 01:56 |
| cbx33 | like a toggle button | 01:57 |
| cbx33 | Simple/Advanced | 01:57 |
| ogra | we should at least have a set of options you can switch on or off ... i'm not a friend of discriminating users by telling them they are non advanced :) | 01:57 |
| cbx33 | ok I see your point there | 01:58 |
| ogra | lets keep that stuff fro the plugin writers ;) | 01:58 |
| ogra | *for | 01:58 |
| cbx33 | indeed | 01:58 |
| cbx33 | pygi is doing the plugin framework | 01:58 |
| cbx33 | isn't he? | 01:58 |
| ogra | we only want a basic app taht does what it should perfectly ... | 01:58 |
| ogra | i'm not talking about the framework :) | 01:58 |
| cbx33 | no i know | 01:58 |
| cbx33 | I was just askin | 01:58 |
| cbx33 | g | 01:58 |
| ogra | feel free to write a plugin later that has an advanced/simple switch ;) | 01:59 |
| ogra | but yes, pygi volunteered for that | 01:59 |
| cbx33 | I can see now how plugins would be mega easy for it | 02:00 |
| ogra | thats the plan :) | 02:00 |
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| ogra | damn typos | 02:02 |
| cbx33 | ogra: who is cleaning up what is already there? | 02:04 |
| cbx33 | all three of us? | 02:04 |
| ogra | feel free to clean up where you find ugliness :)+ | 02:05 |
| cbx33 | heh not ugliness | 02:05 |
| ogra | i'll rename the branch these days to have a non versioned name btw ... | 02:05 |
| cbx33 | just the host name/process list should be cleaned upon disconnecting a user | 02:05 |
| ogra | it does, no ? | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | nope | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | not here | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | I just got a user to login and I disconnected them | 02:06 |
| ogra | running on a regular ubuntu ltsp ? | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | but their name/host/proclist remained | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | nope edubuntu | 02:06 |
| ogra | with the ubuntu ltsp package ?? | 02:07 |
| cbx33 | i er, this is a dapper edubuntu box | 02:07 |
| ogra | and a thin client ? | 02:07 |
| cbx33 | yes | 02:07 |
| ogra | (note i never tested with vmware and am not particulary interested in that) | 02:07 |
| cbx33 | nope this is real clients | 02:08 |
| ogra | well, the next polling of the userlist should clean up... | 02:08 |
| cbx33 | ogra: tbph vmware should not have any bnearing on it at all | 02:08 |
| cbx33 | ogra: ah, my last bug fix would fix it then | 02:08 |
| ogra | which means it should avnish withinn the next 5 secs or so from the UI after a user disconnected | 02:08 |
| cbx33 | it's grumbling about the user variable again | 02:08 |
| cbx33 | it was onyl one user after all | 02:09 |
| ogra | there is a function that refreshes in a given interval ... | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | I'm gonna try again | 02:09 |
| ogra | poll#_userlist or something | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | and apply my fix | 02:09 |
| DanielC | How do you make 'diff' produce output that can be used by 'patch' ? | 02:09 |
| ogra | sorry i cant discuss that now, we have a deadline for merges i have to do now | 02:09 |
| ogra | DanielC, diff -ruN oldfile newfile | 02:10 |
| DanielC | thanks | 02:10 |
| ogra | rodarvus, btw, how is X going ? | 02:10 |
| cbx33 | sorry ogra | 02:10 |
| rodarvus | ogra, I'm researching all changes that are going to be needed (for the first step, at least), and writing a spec for it | 02:10 |
| rodarvus | I believe I'll have something palateable until the end of the day, tomorrow | 02:11 |
| rodarvus | (but by no means a "complete" spec) | 02:11 |
| rodarvus | the list of changes is huge | 02:11 |
| rodarvus | *huge* | 02:11 |
| ogra | cbx33, we have dedicated feature development time, all merges have to be done by jul 13th, after that i can concentrate on details of new features | 02:11 |
| cbx33 | ogra: np | 02:11 |
| cbx33 | I'll bug you in 10 days then | 02:12 |
| rodarvus | 25+ new packages and counting (and almost the same number of obsoleted packages) | 02:12 |
| ogra | rodarvus, yep, i expected that, i still wonder why we dont just go on maintaining our own packages | 02:12 |
| cbx33 | ogra: is ther ea plan to put moin-desktop in edgy? | 02:12 |
| ogra | the are built upstream compatible, we would just have to renew the orig.tar.gz's and probably dol some minro changes | 02:13 |
| ogra | *they | 02:13 |
| rodarvus | maintaining our own X packages is insane, actually - even bigger work - Debian X packages are in a much better state than ours | 02:13 |
| rodarvus | switching to their packages, we will only need to worry about our own changes | 02:13 |
| ogra | sure, but ours were built by an upstream xorg guy who had in mind that they are as comaptible as possiblle to the upstream sources ... | 02:14 |
| ogra | indeed they were unmaintained over the half last release | 02:14 |
| rodarvus | thats daniels, right? | 02:15 |
| cbx33 | ogra: as I'm finding bugs and things to do, should I put them on LP? or do we not use that for devel? | 02:15 |
| ogra | but apart from easier syncability i dont really see the advantage in syncing | 02:15 |
| ogra | yep | 02:15 |
| rodarvus | ogra, in theory, we'll have less trouble/work maintaining them in the future | 02:16 |
| ogra | cbx33, malone is the right place :) | 02:16 |
| cbx33 | ok | 02:16 |
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| ogra | rodarvus, well, that has to be proofed :) | 02:16 |
| rodarvus | :) | 02:16 |
| ogra | my theory was that we are nearer to upstream than debian ... so it would be easier to stay with upstream :) | 02:17 |
| ogra | but indeed that needs the manpower we dont have yet | 02:17 |
| rodarvus | ogra, I agree, but we have half (?) X maintainer - debian has four, or more :) | 02:17 |
| ogra | yep | 02:18 |
| ogra | finally xscreensaver built ... | 02:20 |
| ogra | will be fun to redo all the build deps again (i just did that in dapper, now all x lib names change again) | 02:21 |
| rodarvus | yep :/ | 02:22 |
| rodarvus | it might happen that we are not even able to complete the job for edgy | 02:22 |
| rodarvus | really depends on the desired quality :D | 02:23 |
| ogra | well, we need to release with something working :) | 02:23 |
| rodarvus | haha | 02:23 |
| rodarvus | indeed | 02:23 |
| ogra | in some way or the other :) | 02:23 |
| rodarvus | at least just barely >:-) | 02:23 |
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| jsgotangco | good evening | 03:12 |
| DanielC | yo | 03:13 |
| rodarvus | timezones are great stuff | 03:18 |
| rodarvus | its early morning down here :D | 03:18 |
| DanielC | It's early afternoon here :) | 03:18 |
| jsgotangco | rodarvus: rodrigo! | 03:21 |
| rodarvus | jsgotangco: jerome! | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | how's things? how was your weekend? | 03:23 |
| rodarvus | cold :) | 03:24 |
| rodarvus | well, for us brazilians, at least | 03:24 |
| jsgotangco | nice | 03:26 |
| cbx33 | ping Yagisan | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | rodarvus: ping | 03:39 |
| rodarvus | jsgotangco, pong | 03:39 |
| jsgotangco | how do you feel rejecting abandoned bugs after making a follow up for xorg and company? | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 03:40 |
| rodarvus | heh | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | im serious | 03:40 |
| rodarvus | I was thinking about this subject this morning, actually | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 03:40 |
| rodarvus | I know | 03:41 |
| jsgotangco | i made a couple of follow ups before paris no reply | 03:41 |
| jsgotangco | fabio said he does that all the time | 03:41 |
| rodarvus | I guess I'd just leave as needinfo for a while and reject them when a new version is released | 03:41 |
| jsgotangco | doh that would be like october! | 03:42 |
| rodarvus | ('please reopen if you find this bug in the new version') | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | well yeah i would most likely say that in a rejection notice | 03:42 |
| rodarvus | jsgotangco, this bug was here before dapper? | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | we get lots of bugs for milestone releases | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | that usually get abandoned | 03:42 |
| rodarvus | if so, you can do it already, given enough time for the reporter to manifest | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | the problem with needs info is that it can get smothered by the glut of bugs in xorg so it takes a while to sort it out | 03:43 |
| jsgotangco | some of them have been completely forgotten, i make a follow up and i get a reply that they sold the card or the laptop already :D | 03:45 |
| rodarvus | these cases are clearly candidates for rejection | 03:47 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:48 |
| DanielC | REVU sucks | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | don't complain here | 03:54 |
| DanielC | I tried to upload something, it failed, and now I can't manage to use dcut to clarn it. | 03:54 |
| DanielC | :( | 03:54 |
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| Yagisan | pong cbx33 | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | goodnight | 04:44 |
| Yagisan | !seen hedgemage | 04:57 |
| ubotu | I last saw HedgeMage (i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage) 19h 12m 31s ago, quiting: "Real Life Calls!" | 04:57 |
| DanielC | cool | 04:58 |
| DanielC | !seen DanielC | 04:58 |
| ubotu | DanielC is on IRC right now! | 04:58 |
| Yagisan | I thought so too | 04:58 |
| DanielC | :) | 04:58 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: i honestly don't know what else to add to the xfce spec, i put it up for review again | 08:09 |
| ogra | i saw that, lets see if the level of detail in the implementation/design suffices :) | 08:10 |
| highvoltage | yep :) | 08:10 |
| highvoltage | we're moving office this week, i can't wait until that's over, then i can finally get down to work again. | 08:11 |
| highvoltage | our new offices are at an ISP, and we are getting a 10mbit/s internet connection there, something that's unheard of in .za *g* | 08:12 |
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| ogra | cool | 08:15 |
| highvoltage | two weeks from now i'm going to jo'burg, and then i'll get a chance to work on the diskless-fat-clients stuff. | 08:16 |
| highvoltage | i talked to jim and scott, and if possible, they will merge from my branch to ltsp upstream | 08:17 |
| highvoltage | it give me a good chance to get bzr figured out properly. | 08:17 |
| ogra | -> dinner | 08:17 |
| highvoltage | enjoy. | 08:17 |
| highvoltage | ogra: have you seen the post to edubuntu-users about seeing the thin client hostname on LDM? | 08:27 |
| juliux | hi everybody | 08:27 |
| highvoltage | that could perhaps be further functionality for ldmd | 08:27 |
| highvoltage | hi juliux | 08:27 |
| ogra | highvoltage, ldm already reads /etc7hostname ... | 08:27 |
| juliux | how are you highvoltage ? | 08:27 |
| ogra | we just need to make sure to set it right | 08:28 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ok, i think i grok. where does ldm get //ltsp from then? or is /etc/hostname not set correctly? | 08:30 |
| highvoltage | i should probably just investigate :) | 08:31 |
| highvoltage | juliux: i'm feeling good. how are you? | 08:31 |
| juliux | not good | 08:31 |
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| ogra | /etc/hostname is set on boot | 08:31 |
| ogra | (of the client) | 08:31 |
| ogra | if there is a dns server and it can look up the name it will set it | 08:32 |
| ogra | iirc | 08:32 |
| highvoltage | hmmm... i'm not sure what to answer to Phillipe | 08:33 |
| highvoltage | i'm also getting all my edubuntu-users mail thrice, which is a bit annoying :/ | 08:33 |
| highvoltage | ogra: did you get that password for that list? | 08:33 |
| ogra | i have it since the list is public ... i wanted to set a new one in paris and share it with you ... | 08:34 |
| ogra | sinc ethats only a hash ... no password you could remember ... | 08:34 |
| highvoltage | ok, could you possibly check my subscription? i think i might be susbcribed more than once with different addresses. | 08:38 |
| highvoltage | and sorry to bother you with different things all at once. :) | 08:38 |
| Laser_away | highvoltage: still around? | 09:19 |
| DanielC | Laser_away: I've uploaded my first .deb to Revu :) | 09:34 |
| Laser_away | cool | 09:36 |
| DanielC | I hope I did it right. | 09:36 |
| DanielC | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2587 | 09:36 |
| crimsun | version it -0ubuntu1 | 09:37 |
| DanielC | Ok. | 09:37 |
| crimsun | I presume you want it in Debian, too | 09:37 |
| DanielC | I'd like that, yes. | 09:37 |
| DanielC | Does -0 mean that it's not in Debian yet? | 09:38 |
| crimsun | in which case it's probably better to concentrate your effort to get it into Debian, since we can just sync | 09:38 |
| crimsun | generally yes. | 09:38 |
| DanielC | Do I need to run both "debuild -S" and "debuild"? Or just "debuild -S"? | 09:41 |
| crimsun | I always use -S | 09:41 |
| Laser_away | debuild -S gives you the source package | 09:41 |
| DanielC | ok | 09:41 |
| crimsun | then I either sbuild or pbuild | 09:41 |
| DanielC | What's a source package anyways? | 09:42 |
| DanielC | Considering that this package is not compilable code. | 09:42 |
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| Laser_away | Burgwork: well, I still don't know how this is going to work, tbh the KDE stuff kinda got in the way | 09:46 |
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| EmxBA | hi everyone | 09:47 |
| EmxBA | I've finnaly got some time to talk on IRC :) | 09:47 |
| Laser_away | Burgwork: I think we will probably ship sabayon profiles provided that sabayon is fixed and we can get it to use groups | 09:47 |
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| EmxBA | hi pygi! | 09:48 |
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| Burgwork | LaserJock, ok | 11:56 |
| Burgwork | highvoltage, ping re: edubuntu case study | 11:56 |
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