=== bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [01:04] Heya folks === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:43] good morning === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Xymor [i=enforcer@201.19.129.160] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Xymor [i=enforcer@201.19.129.160] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-141-157-73-250.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-str.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_reboot === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_reboot === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.167.16] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.167.16] has joined #edubuntu === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-141-157-73-250.balt.east.verizon.net] has left #edubuntu [] === _dewey [n=dewey@ip70-185-73-254.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:17] <_dewey> are questions about installing edubuntu allowed here??? [05:18] sure [05:19] _dewey: absolutely! hopefully someone can help out :) [05:20] _dewey: this is not a channel about edubuntu ;) [05:20] <_dewey> I have downloaded and installed twice. I get only command line, not gui on installing. get gui from livecd. what am i doing wrong [05:21] eek, 81 seconds lag :/ [05:24] _dewey: probably nothing, possibly an issue with graphics drivers [05:25] <_dewey> ok, thanks. I have another video board or another computer. I'll try again. Thanks again [05:25] _dewey: try booting (to the text mode), logging in and 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' [05:25] <_dewey> ok, I'll try ;that first [05:26] _dewey: righto, that will ask lots of questions, the defaults are usually pretty good [05:26] _dewey: once it finishes, try a 'sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart' and see if it gets the gui working [05:28] <_dewey> ok thanks, I'll try both but must wait till morning. bedtime here in east texas. thanks agian. [05:29] _dewey: np, sleep well :) === sbalneav [i=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === axl000 [n=axl@197-7-28.dial.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@dkpp-p-144-138-154-49.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [07:59] morning, #edubuntu [07:59] ogra: ping === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [08:01] hey highvoltage [08:01] hi highvoltage === nikola [n=pygi@83-131-246-169.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-246-169.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [08:09] hey bimberi_ [08:10] hey [08:13] mr gotangco [08:13] whats up? [08:14] 8:14 monday morning. drinking coffee and reading mail :) [08:14] trying to make sense of the week ahead. [08:15] heh [08:15] its 2:15pm here and im still trying to make sense of the week ahead [08:15] lol [08:16] 16:14 monday afternoon. drinking coffee and comtemplating heading home (with a visit to a nonresponsive remote box on the way) [08:16] :) [08:17] 2:16 am and trying not to stress before a presentation in 8 hours [08:17] seems like we've got today covered ;) [08:17] crimsun: you've been merging all night! [08:18] [08:18] err, sorry, crazy keypresses === jeffwaddell [n=jeff@c-71-197-189-235.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === jeffwaddell [n=jeff@c-71-197-189-235.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu [09:07] ok guys got a question for you [09:07] is it normal for firefox to ignore a link to a file:/// if the page is contained on a web server [09:08] if the page is a local file, then it works fine [09:18] i believe it assumes its a local file, not a file contained within a webserver and waits for http instead === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu [09:38] man im bored === DanielC peeks in [09:39] morning everyone [09:41] jsgotangco: what company do you work for? [09:41] morning DanielC [09:42] highvoltage: at the moment? its a small company called Bugal Pty. Ltd. [09:42] i've never worked for a company that allowed me to get bored before :) [09:43] :) [09:43] highvoltage: work here is pretty much "spur of the moment" type i would love to get busy why not [09:44] highvoltage: maybe not just with the work load but the environment itself :/ === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu [09:45] jsgotangco: aaah. i understand. === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-237-137.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu [10:52] hi all [10:53] ping pygi === ajaycc [n=ubuntu@59.93.218.75] has joined #edubuntu [10:57] hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [10:57] i got my cd :D [10:57] !hi [10:57] I know nothing about hi [10:57] hi [10:57] hope you like the CD [10:57] i do [10:57] i am using ubuntu sice ver 3 [10:57] hey jsgotangco [10:57] cbx33, how may I help you? :) [10:57] i wanna contribute now [10:58] cbx33: good morning to you [10:58] can anyone tell me how [10:58] ajaycc, version 3? what's that? :P [10:58] hi pygi just wondering how much exp you had with uimanager ? [10:58] ajaycc: what are you interested in? [10:58] version 3 of ubuntu [10:58] anything that matters [10:58] :) [10:58] ajaycc, there was no version 3? :) [10:58] ajaycc: you should be more specific than that or else we'll have you fix ltsp :P [10:59] lol [10:59] i am 16 [10:59] ajaycc: what are you skilled at? [10:59] so tell me what i can do [10:59] well web designing [10:59] cbx33, o yes, btw. have you choosen your task for S-C-P? [10:59] are you good at art? [10:59] a bit [10:59] web design? [10:59] yeah [10:59] writing help pages? [10:59] pygi: not yet [10:59] these are usual starting points to those new t the project [10:59] and i wanna make BIG name among the community :D [10:59] ajaycc: it shouldn't be YOUR primary motive though [11:00] sure [11:00] pygi: is there a way I can use slashes in a menuitem? [11:00] i was kidding [11:00] cbx33, oki, I'll try to take on my task as soon as possible [11:00] it screws it up cos it thinks it's part of the path [11:00] ajaycc: you can contribute wallpapers and stuff [11:00] pygi: I suppose Ishould start thinking - I don;t want the impossible one [11:00] cbx33, :P [11:00] AliasVegas could be becomming artwork team leader next council meeting [11:00] should i make my own page at wiki? [11:01] cbx33: really? [11:01] ajaycc: yes [11:01] jsgotangco: possibly yes, she was approached by highvoltage and ogra [11:01] just needs a vote by the council === jsgotangco spoils the vote [11:01] :) [11:03] pygi: whos doing the plugin interface? [11:03] cbx33, me :) [11:03] ah cool [11:03] do you know what everyone else is doing? [11:04] i am gonna idle here and contribute :D [11:04] ajaycc: we always have community meetings every wednesday [11:04] nice [11:05] will be there [11:05] and yeah why didnt edubuntu was a livecd? [11:05] so feel free to dive in and get a feel [11:05] any reason?? [11:05] ajaycc: there's a live CD [11:05] jsgotangco: sure i will be there [11:05] but only for workstation [11:05] jsgotangco: the cd i got is installation only [11:05] some mistake i guess [11:05] ajaycc: it doesn't really make sense performance-wise to have an ltsp livecd [11:05] no its meant to be [11:05] cbx33, yes, you do one more task, and ogra does the rest :P [11:05] jsgotangco: that is fine was just curios [11:06] edubuntu, first and foremost, is a server solution [11:06] yeah [11:06] cbx33, tho,I'll help once I'm done with plugin stuff [11:06] pygi: plugin stuff shouldn't be too difficult should it? [11:07] just need some kind of small API right? [11:07] i am gonna install ubuntu, kubuntu and edubntu on my lappy seperately [11:07] ajaycc: if you have a spare machine, you might want to play around with the server stuff, its really nice and shiny [11:07] what about xubuntu? [11:07] i already got that [11:07] cbx33, nop, shouldn't be too difficult, that's why I said I'll help ogra on other taks as well [11:07] jsgotangco: i aint got extra machine :( [11:07] so gotta play with my lappy [11:07] I'll help out on what ever I can, may need a bit of help sometimes pygi [11:08] ajaycc: how fast is the lappy [11:08] you could always use vmware [11:08] cant man [11:08] y? [11:08] cbx33, no problem, you can always poke around me or someone:) [11:08] this is pentium M 740 256 MB DDR2 [11:08] ahhh [11:08] ajaycc: ah ok [11:08] it'll crawl [11:08] :D [11:08] ajaycc: you're always welcome to test the workstation though! [11:09] i will today [11:09] pygi: can you point me in the direction of a task that hasn't been assigned and will be doable? [11:09] cbx33, sure, if you gimme url with taks (I forgot it :P) [11:09] ok [11:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelCompletion [11:10] thanks [11:10] what about Killing processes? [11:10] that should be easily doable [11:10] yeh, ok [11:10] I'll give that one a look [11:10] are we using bzr? [11:10] yes please! [11:11] cbx33, yes :) [11:11] my parents and school people think linux is crap [11:11] :( [11:11] ajaycc: well, advocacy can be hard sometimes [11:11] why do they think it's crap? [11:12] they are all mad [11:12] i am convincing our school head to install edubuntu [11:12] but he wont listen [11:12] cool [11:12] that git [11:12] aww [11:12] I actually work for a school [11:12] so I may be able to give you some pointers there [11:12] on how to persuade [11:12] we have a linux and windows system here [11:12] nice [11:12] mail me man [11:12] we got only windows [11:12] and the pc are shit [11:13] he is buying all new pc [11:13] i am telling him to buy a really good server [11:13] and get thin clients ready [11:13] and i told him i will take responsibility [11:13] who acutally does all the installation [11:13] but that fool refused [11:13] i will [11:13] ajaycc, calm down :P [11:13] our teacher knows shit nothing else [11:13] :) [11:13] is there not an IT team there? [11:13] heh === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:14] IT team is crap they dunno what is RAID and dunno what linux [11:14] it that case [11:14] that's probably why he doesn't want to move to a linux system [11:14] yeah [11:14] if you're going to be supporting it [11:14] what happens when you leave [11:15] he's left with a good system, but if something goes wrong, limited options to get it fixed [11:15] ajaycc, what country are you anyway? [11:15] i will stay here man and i am ready to train a few dingbats [11:15] pygi: India [11:15] plus, the whole teaching curriculum would have to be changed [11:15] cbx33: as it is each an everyday they install winxp cos it crashes everyday [11:15] cbx33: we just learn C++ nothing else [11:15] I'm facing the same issues here [11:15] you actually learn c++ at school? [11:16] i know it others do [11:16] pygi: do we have a bzr url for scp? [11:16] i just sit there glaring at the teacher [11:16] cbx33, there is official one from ogra, and we should branch from it [11:16] staring not glaring :) [11:16] pygi: ok grabbing it now [11:16] the one on LP? [11:17] brb [11:17] cbx33, yes I believe [11:18] ok [11:18] am grabbing now [11:19] pygi: the annoying thing is [11:19] I want to develop on my laptop [11:19] but I'll need clients logged in etc to do it [11:27] cbx33: in most indian schools I know, they teach students to program, nothing more, and most of these students are too poor to buy a computer, so when they go to work, they only know how to program and have no clue in installing an OS...ive encountered such quite a number of times [11:27] amazingly there are some really good programmers that sprang out of it [11:27] jsgotangco: i see [11:27] of course [11:28] everything I learnt was off my own back [11:28] when i was in hyderabad a few months ago, i even have to teach them how to make partitions [11:28] crikey [11:28] it surprised me as well [11:30] i always get to learn lots of things when i travel and interact with people on technology [11:30] jsgotangco: for me a day isn't worth it unless I've learnt something [11:30] oh i learn something everyday no doubt [11:31] but learning from outside is quite different [11:31] true [11:31] and you appreciate the simple things that most people are not able to get or comprehend [11:31] i feel I havn't accomplished anything unless I learn [11:32] in a way, even if its miniscule, im very proud to be involved in ubuntu and has probably made me more fulfilled in life [11:32] me too [11:32] and my contribution is smaller than yours :p [11:32] it has become my vice [11:34] im very thankful for the opportunities the project has given me [11:34] yes [11:34] I love working on *buntu so much [11:34] I'm ever hopeful of working for Canonical one day [11:35] its a nice goal its something i would think of as a bonus if it happened to me [11:35] atm it's my goal === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [11:35] I could do this work all day long [11:36] I am able to affect a few people here, but working for them I feel I could do so much more [11:36] i would like to do that too sometime [11:36] or given the chance why not === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [11:38] pygi: you still there? [11:38] cbx33, no :P [11:39] do you have the scp code there? [11:39] where? :P [11:39] do you have it available to look at? [11:39] nop, not ATM [11:39] ok [11:39] if you do [11:40] if count: [11:40] does it pass if count is only 1 [11:40] or just anything greater than 0 [11:51] ok just made one modification [11:51] now I don;t get any errors if I run it without any users being connected [12:16] cbx33, you got errors ? [12:17] yeh only one I fixed it if you want a patch [12:17] i never had any errors [12:17] or I may be completely wrong [12:17] the populate_procs function [12:17] last 4 lines [12:17] I think should be inside the if indent [12:17] they are only useful if the previous 2 lines are ran anyway === ogra installs the package [12:18] it was an uninitialised variable [12:19] oh, right i get that too [12:19] it's because the machine I'm running it on has no ltsp server or clients on it [12:19] I have to find a way to setup something so I can develop at home [12:19] that'll be hard [12:19] the ltsp connections dont use a login shell via ssh, so you dont have any pty's attached [12:20] I know, but I can't really spend too much time developing here [12:20] keep that in mind .. [12:20] work is enveloping me [12:20] I'll have to just setup some vm's somewhere [12:20] only problem is the main machine I'd use for testing has a very.....ooop nevermind I have a brilliant idea :D [12:21] did you get the same error as I? [12:21] yep [12:22] and does the flag parameter actually do anything? [12:22] user referenced before assignment [12:22] it's never returned and from what I can see it's never set when populate_procs is called [12:22] on line 52 [12:22] but please use try statemanes instead if if statements for such cases where possible [12:22] *statements [12:23] you konw I didn;'t write the original right ;P ? [12:23] no, but if you add such tests, try is the better way ... :) [12:24] right ok [12:24] may I ask for what reason...so I can understand better? === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [12:26] I'm hopefully going to get started on the kill procedure later [12:27] hi hi === DanielC waves [12:28] cbx33, its the error catching function ... and looks better in the code :) [12:28] ok [12:28] ogra: you said in a bzr comment that the kill button was hidden in the gui [12:28] I don;t see it [12:28] sorry in the spec [12:28] not in the bzr comment [12:28] am I ok to add it? [12:29] hmm, i thought i had added it already ... look through the bzr revisions, probably i dropped it at some point, just grab the bzr diff and reapply it :) [12:30] yay, my edubuntu CDs arrived :) [12:30] ogra: Why do you need Edubuntu CDs? [12:30] mine too, just a few minutes ago :) [12:30] DanielC, to frame them ;) [12:30] (and Ubuntu CD's) [12:30] really? [12:31] DanielC, well, i'll need them for talks etc to give away ... but these 5 are just for my closet [12:32] :) [12:32] i'll get anotehr box with 500 the next weeks for some talks i'll hold ... [12:33] i should get some edubuntu cd's as well [12:33] but since only part of my mixed order was approved i have no idea how many [12:33] yeah, order them, share them ! [12:34] make us famous :) [12:34] i ordered a batch as well for my scheduled talks === cbx33 makes a note to order a few [12:35] ogra: there is some fundamental work being done to get linux to the primary schools in the netherlands [12:35] its in the early stages [12:35] so we just have to wait [12:35] cool [12:35] in anycase i'm involved with it [12:35] and making sure it will be edubuntu [12:35] :p [12:35] at least with a focus on edubuntu [12:35] i had a nice phonecall with a guy who works tight with the ministry of culture and arts in bayern, they are intrested too [12:36] thats nice [12:36] yeah [12:36] he wants to start a big PR campaign :) [12:37] excellent [12:38] how long till Richard starts? [12:38] 11days iirc [12:39] ok [12:39] I need to talk to him about BETT2007 [12:41] cbx33, btw, note that the s-c-p spec still isnt approved, there might still be changes in details [12:41] ogra: could you please go through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuXfceDesktop ? === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [12:41] ogra: ok cool [12:41] highvoltage, reading [12:41] ogra: i would like to put it up for review today, but not sure what else needs to be fixed [12:41] ogra: could it be dropped altogether? [12:42] good morning [12:42] cbx33, nope, it has high priority and is on my list for implementations in dapper [12:42] err [12:42] edgy [12:42] morning rodarvus [12:42] morning rodarvus [12:42] ok cool [12:42] hi rodarvus [12:43] rodarvus, now i actually have been convinced by fabionne to watch some soccer and your people just loose ... what happened ? that was pretty ppor for .br [12:43] *poor [12:44] ogra, that was the worse football game ever [12:44] shame on us [12:44] praise zidane [12:45] well, old farts running after the ball ... your team needs fresh blood [12:45] I believe the problem was not their ages, but their egos [12:45] zidane had two or three enlightened moments, but wasnt great either i found ... [12:46] actually from three games i watched i found none to be world class [12:46] ogra: you didn't see any of the Socceroo games then! :P [12:48] well, i watched germany<->argentinia ... italy<->ukraine and brazil<->france [12:48] neither was convincing ... [12:48] germany vs argentina was ok [12:49] "big" teams usually don't play beautiful football when playing against other big teams [12:49] yes, i didnt say it wasnt ok... but i'd have expected more from a "world championship" [12:49] it is believed that this could lead to a loss [12:50] i remember once i was brazil vs someone in a championship while zapping through the channels and i usualy never stop at sports, but it was so entertaining that i couldnt move on :) [12:51] s/was/saw/ === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu [12:51] ogra: I can't see the kill button in any of the diffs [12:51] there was nothing like that yet in this championship [12:51] I'll just create it [12:51] ogra, also, most brazilians blame it on the coach+players ego [12:51] :D [12:52] ogra: what's your opinion on the flag parameter I mentioned earlier? [12:52] we believe another coach, such as Felipe Scolari (current coach of the Portugal squad) could have made it a completely different team [12:52] cbx33, we'll need to decide how to implement it in tne ui then ... [12:52] that's what I though [12:52] i think below the process list might be the most sensible place [12:52] then we have consistency with the disconnect button below the users [12:53] it's placement should visually indicate where it applies to [12:54] and not break the design too much ... [12:54] rodarvus: that would be in the teams approach wouldn't it? surely the players wouldn't change much - hi btw :) [12:54] do you not think underneath the process list would? [12:54] rodarvus, but your coach won several championships already ... i bet he'd be capable :) [12:55] cbx33, sure i think under the processlist would ;) [12:55] ok cool [12:56] bimberi, exactly [12:57] the main point is that Brazil never played as a "team", but instead, as a bunch of "starts" [12:57] well, you need to replace the players at some point [12:57] they get older ... no way around that [12:57] rodarvus: stars or tarts ? ;P === rodarvus searchs on the dictionary for tarts :) [12:58] ogra, that too :) [01:00] bimberi, tart == clown? (in this case, I agree :) ) [01:00] tart ? [01:00] well, it's a desert, and a woman of loose morals down here [01:00] Yagisan, thats what wikipedia tells me too [01:01] thankyou Yagisan, i was struggling to find the right words :) [01:02] it's also used to describe someone (of any gender) who only does something if paid [01:03] I believe that paid variety has various names, but tart isn't one down here. === Yagisan looks at channel name - hmm, perhaps this channel may have younger people here [01:06] that's why i was struggling [01:07] bimberi: I got good at trying to find other ways to describe things by marrying someone that is not a native speaker in my language. [01:08] works well (when we understand each other) [01:09] hey Yagisan howz it going [01:12] cbx33: I seem to have caught a cold. Am mastering cmake, and divorcing doomsday and autotools. [01:12] cbx33: I also mets some motus in real life today [01:12] cool [01:13] yes. I thought it was fascinating this place outside of IRC [01:13] highvoltage, your use cases need fleshing out ... [01:13]