[01:04] <bddebian> Heya folks
[01:43] <jsgotangco> good morning
[05:17] <_dewey> are questions about installing edubuntu allowed here???
[05:18] <crimsun> sure
[05:19] <bimberi> _dewey: absolutely! hopefully someone can help out :)
[05:20] <Burgundavia> _dewey: this is not a channel about edubuntu ;)
[05:20] <_dewey> I have downloaded and installed twice. I get only command line, not gui on installing. get gui from livecd. what am i doing wrong
[05:21] <bimberi> eek, 81 seconds lag :/
[05:24] <bimberi> _dewey: probably nothing, possibly an issue with graphics drivers
[05:25] <_dewey> ok, thanks. I have another video board or another computer. I'll try again. Thanks again
[05:25] <bimberi> _dewey: try booting (to the text mode), logging in and 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[05:25] <_dewey> ok, I'll try ;that first
[05:26] <bimberi> _dewey: righto, that will ask lots of questions, the defaults are usually pretty good
[05:26] <bimberi> _dewey: once it finishes, try a 'sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart' and see if it gets the gui working
[05:28] <_dewey> ok thanks, I'll try  both  but must wait till morning. bedtime here in east texas.  thanks agian.
[05:29] <bimberi> _dewey: np, sleep well :)
[07:59] <highvoltage> morning, #edubuntu
[07:59] <highvoltage> ogra: ping
[08:01] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage
[08:01] <bimberi_> hi highvoltage
[08:09] <highvoltage> hey bimberi_ 
[08:10] <jsgotangco> hey
[08:13] <highvoltage> mr gotangco
[08:13] <jsgotangco> whats up?
[08:14] <highvoltage> 8:14 monday morning. drinking coffee and reading mail :)
[08:14] <highvoltage> trying to make sense of the week ahead.
[08:15] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:15] <jsgotangco> its 2:15pm here and im still trying to make sense of the week ahead
[08:15] <highvoltage> lol
[08:16] <bimberi_> 16:14 monday afternoon. drinking coffee and comtemplating heading home (with a visit to a nonresponsive remote box on the way)
[08:16] <bimberi_> :)
[08:17] <crimsun> 2:16 am and trying not to stress before a presentation in 8 hours
[08:17] <highvoltage> seems like we've got today covered ;)
[08:17] <jsgotangco> crimsun: you've been merging all night!
[08:18] <crimsun> 
[08:18] <crimsun> err, sorry, crazy keypresses
[09:07] <cbx33> ok guys got a question for you
[09:07] <cbx33> is it normal for firefox to ignore a link to a file:/// if the page is contained on a web server
[09:08] <cbx33> if the page is a local file, then it works fine
[09:18] <jsgotangco> i believe it assumes its a local file, not a file contained within a webserver and waits for http instead
[09:38] <jsgotangco> man im bored
[09:39] <DanielC> morning everyone
[09:41] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: what company do you work for?
[09:41] <highvoltage> morning DanielC 
[09:42] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: at the moment? its a small company called Bugal Pty. Ltd.
[09:42] <highvoltage> i've never worked for a company that allowed me to get bored before :)
[09:43] <DanielC> :)
[09:43] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: work here is pretty much "spur of the moment" type i would love to get busy why not
[09:44] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: maybe not just with the work load but the environment itself :/
[09:45] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: aaah. i understand.
[10:52] <cbx33> hi all
[10:53] <cbx33> ping pygi 
[10:57] <ajaycc> hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:57] <ajaycc> i got my cd :D
[10:57] <ajaycc> !hi
[10:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about hi
[10:57] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:57] <jsgotangco> hope you like the CD
[10:57] <ajaycc> i do
[10:57] <ajaycc> i am using ubuntu sice ver 3
[10:57] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco 
[10:57] <pygi> cbx33, how may I help you? :)
[10:57] <ajaycc> i wanna contribute now
[10:58] <jsgotangco> cbx33: good morning to you
[10:58] <ajaycc> can anyone tell me how
[10:58] <pygi> ajaycc, version 3? what's that? :P
[10:58] <cbx33> hi pygi just wondering how much exp you had with uimanager ?
[10:58] <jsgotangco> ajaycc: what are you interested in?
[10:58] <ajaycc> version 3 of ubuntu
[10:58] <ajaycc> anything that matters
[10:58] <ajaycc> :)
[10:58] <pygi> ajaycc, there was no version 3? :) 
[10:58] <jsgotangco> ajaycc: you should be more specific than that or else we'll have you fix ltsp :P
[10:59] <ajaycc> lol
[10:59] <ajaycc> i am 16
[10:59] <cbx33> ajaycc: what are you skilled at?
[10:59] <ajaycc> so tell me what i can do
[10:59] <ajaycc> well web designing
[10:59] <pygi> cbx33, o yes, btw. have you choosen your task for S-C-P?
[10:59] <jsgotangco> are you good at art?
[10:59] <ajaycc> a bit
[10:59] <jsgotangco> web design?
[10:59] <ajaycc> yeah
[10:59] <jsgotangco> writing help pages?
[10:59] <cbx33> pygi: not yet
[10:59] <jsgotangco> these are usual starting points to those new t the project
[10:59] <ajaycc> and i wanna make BIG name among the community :D
[10:59] <jsgotangco> ajaycc: it shouldn't be YOUR primary motive though
[11:00] <ajaycc> sure
[11:00] <cbx33> pygi: is there a way I can use slashes in a menuitem?
[11:00] <ajaycc> i was kidding
[11:00] <pygi> cbx33, oki, I'll try to take on my task as soon as possible
[11:00] <cbx33> it screws it up cos it thinks it's part of the path
[11:00] <jsgotangco> ajaycc: you can contribute wallpapers and stuff
[11:00] <cbx33> pygi: I suppose Ishould start thinking - I don;t want the impossible one
[11:00] <pygi> cbx33, :P
[11:00] <cbx33> AliasVegas could be becomming artwork team leader next council meeting
[11:00] <ajaycc> should i make my own page at wiki?
[11:01] <jsgotangco> cbx33: really?
[11:01] <cbx33> ajaycc: yes
[11:01] <cbx33> jsgotangco: possibly yes, she was approached by highvoltage and ogra
[11:01] <cbx33> just needs a vote by the council
[11:01] <jsgotangco> :)
[11:03] <cbx33> pygi: whos doing the plugin interface?
[11:03] <pygi> cbx33, me :)
[11:03] <cbx33> ah cool
[11:03] <cbx33> do you know what everyone else is doing?
[11:04] <ajaycc> i am gonna idle here and contribute :D
[11:04] <jsgotangco> ajaycc: we always have community meetings every wednesday
[11:04] <ajaycc> nice
[11:05] <ajaycc> will be there
[11:05] <ajaycc> and yeah why didnt edubuntu was a livecd?
[11:05] <jsgotangco> so feel free to dive in and get a feel
[11:05] <ajaycc> any reason??
[11:05] <jsgotangco> ajaycc: there's a live CD
[11:05] <ajaycc> jsgotangco: sure i will be there
[11:05] <jsgotangco> but only for workstation
[11:05] <ajaycc> jsgotangco: the cd i got is installation only
[11:05] <ajaycc> some mistake i guess
[11:05] <jsgotangco> ajaycc: it doesn't really make sense performance-wise to have an ltsp livecd
[11:05] <jsgotangco> no its meant to be
[11:05] <pygi> cbx33, yes, you do one more task, and ogra does the rest :P
[11:05] <ajaycc> jsgotangco: that is fine was just curios
[11:06] <jsgotangco> edubuntu, first and foremost, is  a server solution
[11:06] <ajaycc> yeah
[11:06] <pygi> cbx33, tho,I'll help once I'm done with plugin stuff
[11:06] <cbx33> pygi: plugin stuff shouldn't be too difficult should it?
[11:07] <cbx33> just need some kind of small API right?
[11:07] <ajaycc> i am gonna install ubuntu, kubuntu and edubntu on my lappy seperately
[11:07] <jsgotangco> ajaycc: if you have a spare machine, you might want to play around with the server stuff, its really nice and shiny
[11:07] <cbx33> what about xubuntu?
[11:07] <ajaycc> i already got that
[11:07] <pygi> cbx33, nop, shouldn't be too difficult, that's why I said I'll help ogra on other taks as well
[11:07] <ajaycc> jsgotangco: i aint got extra machine :(
[11:07] <ajaycc> so gotta play with my lappy
[11:07] <cbx33> I'll help out on what ever I can, may need a bit of help sometimes pygi 
[11:08] <cbx33> ajaycc: how fast is the lappy
[11:08] <cbx33> you could always use vmware
[11:08] <ajaycc> cant man
[11:08] <cbx33> y?
[11:08] <pygi> cbx33, no problem, you can always poke around me or someone:)
[11:08] <ajaycc> this is pentium M 740 256 MB DDR2
[11:08] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[11:08] <cbx33> ajaycc: ah ok
[11:08] <jsgotangco> it'll crawl
[11:08] <ajaycc> :D
[11:08] <jsgotangco> ajaycc: you're always welcome to test the workstation though!
[11:09] <ajaycc> i will today
[11:09] <cbx33> pygi: can you point me in the direction of a task that hasn't been assigned and will be doable?
[11:09] <pygi> cbx33, sure, if you gimme url with taks (I forgot it :P)
[11:09] <cbx33> ok
[11:09] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelCompletion
[11:10] <pygi> thanks
[11:10] <pygi> what about Killing processes?
[11:10] <pygi> that should be easily doable
[11:10] <cbx33> yeh, ok
[11:10] <cbx33> I'll give that one a look
[11:10] <cbx33> are we using bzr?
[11:10] <jsgotangco> yes please!
[11:11] <pygi> cbx33, yes :)
[11:11] <ajaycc> my parents and school people think linux is crap
[11:11] <ajaycc> :(
[11:11] <cbx33> ajaycc: well, advocacy can be hard sometimes
[11:11] <cbx33> why do they think it's crap?
[11:12] <ajaycc> they are all mad
[11:12] <ajaycc> i am convincing our school head to install edubuntu
[11:12] <ajaycc> but he wont listen
[11:12] <cbx33> cool
[11:12] <ajaycc> that git
[11:12] <cbx33> aww
[11:12] <cbx33> I actually work for a school
[11:12] <cbx33> so I may be able to give you some pointers there
[11:12] <cbx33> on how to persuade
[11:12] <cbx33> we have a linux and windows system here
[11:12] <ajaycc> nice
[11:12] <ajaycc> mail me man
[11:12] <ajaycc> we got only windows
[11:12] <ajaycc> and the pc are shit
[11:13] <ajaycc> he is buying all new pc
[11:13] <ajaycc> i am telling him to buy a really good server
[11:13] <ajaycc> and get thin clients ready
[11:13] <ajaycc> and i told him i will take responsibility
[11:13] <cbx33> who acutally does all the installation
[11:13] <ajaycc> but that fool refused
[11:13] <ajaycc> i will
[11:13] <pygi> ajaycc, calm down :P
[11:13] <ajaycc> our teacher knows shit nothing else
[11:13] <ajaycc> :)
[11:13] <cbx33> is there not an IT team there?
[11:13] <ajaycc> heh
[11:14] <ajaycc> IT team is crap they dunno what is RAID and dunno what linux
[11:14] <cbx33> it that case
[11:14] <cbx33> that's probably why he doesn't want to move to a linux system
[11:14] <ajaycc> yeah
[11:14] <cbx33> if you're going to be supporting it
[11:14] <cbx33> what happens when you leave
[11:15] <cbx33> he's left with a good system, but if something goes wrong, limited options to get it fixed
[11:15] <pygi> ajaycc, what country are you anyway?
[11:15] <ajaycc> i will stay here man and  i am ready to train a few dingbats
[11:15] <ajaycc> pygi: India
[11:15] <cbx33> plus, the whole teaching curriculum would have to be changed
[11:15] <ajaycc> cbx33: as it is each an everyday they install winxp cos it crashes everyday
[11:15] <ajaycc> cbx33: we just learn C++ nothing else
[11:15] <cbx33> I'm facing the same issues here
[11:15] <cbx33> you actually learn c++ at school?
[11:16] <ajaycc> i know it others do
[11:16] <cbx33> pygi: do we have a bzr url for scp?
[11:16] <ajaycc> i just sit there glaring at the teacher
[11:16] <pygi> cbx33, there is official one from ogra, and we should branch from it
[11:16] <ajaycc> staring not glaring :)
[11:16] <cbx33> pygi: ok grabbing it now
[11:16] <cbx33> the one on LP?
[11:17] <ajaycc> brb
[11:17] <pygi> cbx33, yes I believe
[11:18] <cbx33> ok
[11:18] <cbx33> am grabbing now
[11:19] <cbx33> pygi: the annoying thing is
[11:19] <cbx33> I want to develop on my laptop
[11:19] <cbx33> but I'll need clients logged in etc to do it
[11:27] <jsgotangco> cbx33: in most indian schools I know, they teach students to program, nothing more, and most of these students are too poor to buy a computer, so when they go to work, they only know how to program and have no clue in installing an OS...ive encountered such quite a number of times
[11:27] <jsgotangco> amazingly there are some really good programmers that sprang out of it
[11:27] <cbx33> jsgotangco: i see
[11:27] <cbx33> of course
[11:28] <cbx33> everything I learnt was off my own back
[11:28] <jsgotangco> when i was in hyderabad a few months ago, i even have to teach them how to make partitions
[11:28] <cbx33> crikey
[11:28] <jsgotangco> it surprised me as well
[11:30] <jsgotangco> i always get to learn lots of things when i travel and interact with people on technology
[11:30] <cbx33> jsgotangco: for me a day isn't worth it unless I've learnt something
[11:30] <jsgotangco> oh i learn something everyday no doubt
[11:31] <jsgotangco> but learning from outside is quite different
[11:31] <cbx33> true
[11:31] <jsgotangco> and you appreciate the simple things that most people are not able to get or comprehend
[11:31] <cbx33> i feel I havn't accomplished anything unless I learn
[11:32] <jsgotangco> in a way, even if its miniscule, im very proud to be involved in ubuntu and has probably made me more fulfilled in life
[11:32] <cbx33> me too
[11:32] <cbx33> and my contribution is smaller than yours :p
[11:32] <jsgotangco> it has become my vice
[11:34] <jsgotangco> im very thankful for the opportunities the project has given me
[11:34] <cbx33> yes
[11:34] <cbx33> I love working on *buntu so much
[11:34] <cbx33> I'm ever hopeful of working for Canonical one day
[11:35] <jsgotangco> its a nice goal its something i would think of as a bonus if it happened to me
[11:35] <cbx33> atm it's my goal
[11:35] <cbx33> I could do this work all day long
[11:36] <cbx33> I am able to affect a few people here, but working for them I feel I could do so much more
[11:36] <jsgotangco> i would like to do that too sometime
[11:36] <jsgotangco> or given the chance why not
[11:38] <cbx33> pygi: you still there?
[11:38] <pygi> cbx33, no :P
[11:39] <cbx33> do you have the scp code there?
[11:39] <pygi> where? :P
[11:39] <cbx33> do you have it available to look at?
[11:39] <pygi> nop, not ATM
[11:39] <cbx33> ok
[11:39] <cbx33> if you do 
[11:40] <cbx33> if count:
[11:40] <cbx33> does it pass if count is only 1
[11:40] <cbx33> or just anything greater than 0
[11:51] <cbx33> ok just made one modification
[11:51] <cbx33> now I don;t get any errors if I run it without any users being connected
[12:16] <ogra> cbx33, you got errors ? 
[12:17] <cbx33> yeh only one I fixed it if you want a patch
[12:17] <ogra> i never had any errors 
[12:17] <cbx33> or I may be completely wrong
[12:17] <cbx33> the populate_procs function
[12:17] <cbx33> last 4 lines
[12:17] <cbx33> I think should be inside the if indent
[12:17] <cbx33> they are only useful if the previous 2 lines are ran anyway
[12:18] <cbx33> it was an uninitialised variable
[12:19] <ogra> oh, right i get that too 
[12:19] <cbx33> it's because the machine I'm running it on has no ltsp server or clients on it
[12:19] <cbx33> I have to find a way to setup something so I can develop at home
[12:19] <ogra> that'll be hard 
[12:19] <ogra> the ltsp connections dont use a login shell via ssh, so you dont have any pty's attached
[12:20] <cbx33> I know, but I can't really spend too much time developing here
[12:20] <ogra> keep that in mind ..
[12:20] <cbx33> work is enveloping me
[12:20] <cbx33> I'll have to just setup some vm's somewhere
[12:20] <cbx33> only problem is the main machine I'd use for testing has a very.....ooop nevermind I have a brilliant idea :D
[12:21] <cbx33> did you get the same error as I?
[12:21] <ogra> yep
[12:22] <cbx33> and does the flag parameter actually do anything?
[12:22] <ogra> user referenced before assignment
[12:22] <cbx33> it's never returned and from what I can see it's never set when populate_procs is called
[12:22] <cbx33> on line 52
[12:22] <ogra> but please use try statemanes instead if if statements for such cases where possible
[12:22] <ogra> *statements
[12:23] <cbx33> you konw I didn;'t write the original right ;P ?
[12:23] <ogra> no, but if you add such tests, try is the better way ... :)
[12:24] <cbx33> right ok
[12:24] <cbx33> may I ask for what reason...so I can understand better?
[12:26] <cbx33> I'm hopefully going to get started on the kill procedure later
[12:27] <spacey> hi hi
[12:28] <ogra> cbx33, its the error catching function ... and looks better in the code :)
[12:28] <cbx33> ok
[12:28] <cbx33> ogra: you said in a bzr comment that the kill button was hidden in the gui
[12:28] <cbx33> I don;t see it
[12:28] <cbx33> sorry in the spec
[12:28] <cbx33> not in the bzr comment
[12:28] <cbx33> am I ok to add it?
[12:29] <ogra> hmm, i thought i had added it already ... look through the bzr revisions, probably i dropped it at some point, just grab the bzr diff and reapply it :)
[12:30] <ogra> yay, my edubuntu CDs arrived :)
[12:30] <DanielC> ogra: Why do you need Edubuntu CDs?
[12:30] <highvoltage> mine too, just a few minutes ago :)
[12:30] <ogra> DanielC, to frame them ;)
[12:30] <highvoltage> (and Ubuntu CD's)
[12:30] <DanielC> really?
[12:31] <ogra> DanielC, well, i'll need them for talks etc to give away ... but these 5 are just for my closet
[12:32] <DanielC> :)
[12:32] <ogra> i'll get anotehr box with 500 the next weeks for some talks i'll hold ...
[12:33] <spacey> i should get some edubuntu cd's as well
[12:33] <spacey> but since only part of my mixed order was approved i have no idea how many
[12:33] <ogra> yeah, order them, share them !
[12:34] <ogra> make us famous :)
[12:34] <spacey> i ordered a batch as well for my scheduled talks
[12:35] <spacey> ogra: there is some fundamental work being done to get linux to the primary schools in the netherlands
[12:35] <spacey> its in the early stages
[12:35] <spacey> so we just have to wait
[12:35] <ogra> cool
[12:35] <spacey> in anycase i'm involved with it
[12:35] <spacey> and making sure it will be edubuntu
[12:35] <spacey> :p
[12:35] <spacey> at least with a focus on edubuntu
[12:35] <ogra> i had a nice phonecall with a guy who works tight with the ministry of culture and arts in bayern, they are intrested too
[12:36] <spacey> thats nice
[12:36] <ogra> yeah
[12:36] <ogra> he wants to start a big PR campaign :)
[12:37] <cbx33> excellent
[12:38] <cbx33> how long till Richard starts?
[12:38] <ogra> 11days iirc
[12:39] <cbx33> ok
[12:39] <cbx33> I need to talk to him about BETT2007
[12:41] <ogra> cbx33, btw, note that the s-c-p spec still isnt approved, there might still be changes in details
[12:41] <highvoltage> ogra: could you please go through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuXfceDesktop ?
[12:41] <cbx33> ogra: ok cool
[12:41] <ogra> highvoltage, reading
[12:41] <highvoltage> ogra: i would like to put it up for review today, but not sure what else needs to be fixed
[12:41] <cbx33> ogra: could it be dropped altogether?
[12:42] <rodarvus> good morning
[12:42] <ogra> cbx33, nope, it has high priority and is on my list for implementations in dapper
[12:42] <ogra> err
[12:42] <ogra> edgy
[12:42] <highvoltage> morning rodarvus 
[12:42] <ogra> morning rodarvus 
[12:42] <cbx33> ok cool
[12:42] <cbx33> hi rodarvus 
[12:43] <ogra> rodarvus, now i actually have been convinced by fabionne to watch some soccer and your people just loose ... what happened ? that was pretty ppor for .br 
[12:43] <ogra> *poor
[12:44] <rodarvus> ogra, that was the worse football game ever
[12:44] <rodarvus> shame on us
[12:44] <rodarvus> praise zidane
[12:45] <ogra> well, old farts running after the ball ... your team needs fresh blood
[12:45] <rodarvus> I believe the problem was not their ages, but their egos
[12:45] <ogra> zidane had two or three enlightened moments, but wasnt great either i found ...
[12:46] <ogra> actually from three games i watched i found none to be world class
[12:46] <bimberi> ogra: you didn't see any of the Socceroo games then! :P
[12:48] <ogra> well, i watched germany<->argentinia ... italy<->ukraine and brazil<->france
[12:48] <ogra> neither was convincing ...
[12:48] <rodarvus> germany vs argentina was ok
[12:49] <rodarvus> "big" teams usually don't play beautiful football when playing against other big teams
[12:49] <ogra> yes, i didnt say it wasnt ok... but i'd have expected more from a "world championship"
[12:49] <rodarvus> it is believed that this could lead to a loss
[12:50] <ogra> i remember once i was brazil vs someone in a championship while zapping through the channels and i usualy never stop at sports, but it was so entertaining that i couldnt move on :)
[12:51] <ogra> s/was/saw/
[12:51] <cbx33> ogra: I can't see the kill button in any of the diffs
[12:51] <ogra> there was nothing like that yet in this championship
[12:51] <cbx33> I'll just create it 
[12:51] <rodarvus> ogra, also, most brazilians blame it on the coach+players ego
[12:51] <cbx33> :D
[12:52] <cbx33> ogra: what's your opinion on the flag parameter I mentioned earlier?
[12:52] <rodarvus> we believe another coach, such as Felipe Scolari (current coach of the Portugal squad) could have made it a completely different team
[12:52] <ogra> cbx33, we'll need to decide how to implement it in tne ui then ...
[12:52] <cbx33> that's what I though
[12:52] <cbx33> i think below the process list might be the most sensible place
[12:52] <cbx33> then we have consistency with the disconnect button below the users
[12:53] <ogra> it's placement should visually indicate where it applies to 
[12:54] <ogra> and not break the design too much ...
[12:54] <bimberi> rodarvus: that would be in the teams approach wouldn't it?  surely the players wouldn't change much - hi btw :)
[12:54] <cbx33> do you not think underneath the process list would?
[12:54] <ogra> rodarvus, but your coach won several championships already ... i bet he'd be capable :)
[12:55] <ogra> cbx33, sure i think under the processlist would ;)
[12:55] <cbx33> ok cool
[12:56] <rodarvus> bimberi, exactly
[12:57] <rodarvus> the main point is that Brazil never played as a "team", but instead, as a bunch of "starts"
[12:57] <ogra> well, you need to replace the players at some point
[12:57] <ogra> they get older ... no way around that
[12:57] <bimberi> rodarvus: stars or tarts ? ;P
[12:58] <rodarvus> ogra, that too :)
[01:00] <rodarvus> bimberi, tart == clown? (in this case, I agree :) )
[01:00] <Yagisan> tart ?
[01:00] <Yagisan> well, it's a desert, and a woman of loose morals down here
[01:00] <rodarvus> Yagisan, thats what wikipedia tells me too
[01:01] <bimberi> thankyou Yagisan, i was struggling to find the right words :)
[01:02] <bimberi> it's also used to describe someone (of any gender) who only does something if paid
[01:03] <Yagisan> I believe that paid variety has various names, but tart isn't one down here.
[01:06] <bimberi> that's why i was struggling
[01:07] <Yagisan> bimberi: I got good at trying to find other ways to describe things by marrying someone that is not a native speaker in my language.
[01:08] <Yagisan> works well (when we understand each other)
[01:09] <cbx33> hey Yagisan howz it going
[01:12] <Yagisan> cbx33: I seem to have caught a cold. Am mastering cmake, and divorcing doomsday and autotools.
[01:12] <Yagisan> cbx33: I also mets some motus in real life today
[01:12] <cbx33> cool
[01:13] <Yagisan> yes. I thought it was fascinating this place outside of IRC 
[01:13] <ogra> highvoltage, your use cases need fleshing out ...
[01:13] <Yagisan> but I missed the nick highlighting when people mentioned me
[01:13] <ogra> highvoltage, * A poor school only has 5 old PIII machines, and needs to continue using these machines for an extended period. 
[01:14] <ogra> highvoltage, add something like: they try edubuntu and find the xfce option, they install it and are happy (or something like that)
[01:14] <ogra> a use case should always be a positive thing solved by that spec in the end :)
[01:15] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, thanks. good tip :)
[01:16] <cbx33> ogra: what about, they install it and go on a mad rampage to destroy Mircosoft
[01:16] <ogra> thats valid :)
[01:16] <cbx33> highvoltage: use that one, use that one :p
[01:16] <ogra> but you need to add positive bits :)
[01:16] <cbx33> hehehe
[01:17] <cbx33> the dark empire crumbles and linux reigns supreme
[01:17] <cbx33> ?
[01:17] <ogra>  they install it and out of blind happyness about opne source software they go on a mad rampage to destroy Mircosoft
[01:17] <cbx33> ahhh i see
[01:17] <cbx33> got all caught up in the destruction of proprietary kernels
[01:26] <cbx33> if a router uses a linux kernel
[01:26] <cbx33> they should display GPL license somewhere
[01:26] <Yagisan> yes, but often they don't
[01:28] <cbx33> I have a belkin router
[01:29] <cbx33> and It is definitely a nix system
[01:47] <highvoltage> cbx33: how can you tell?
[01:51] <cbx33> well, ok I can't if functions exactly like a nix system
[01:51] <cbx33> if you know what I mean
[01:51] <cbx33> from the work they have done it would beSTUPID to do develop it from scratch
[01:52] <cbx33> ogra: do you think the process should be sorted?
[01:52] <cbx33> and also do you think that the list should auto update?
[01:52] <ogra> yes it should auto update and it should be sorted by process number ...
[01:52] <cbx33> ok
[01:53] <cbx33> i didn't see it auto update
[01:53] <cbx33> what's the frequency?
[01:53] <cbx33> and I noticed the process list and user name etc stay after the user has been disconnected
[01:53] <ogra> oh, i thought aou saked about implementing that :)
[01:53] <ogra> *asked
[01:53] <ogra> *you
[01:53] <cbx33> ah....hehe
[01:54] <cbx33> so it "should" but doesn't currently
[01:54] <ogra> currently it only spills out the processes
[01:54] <ogra> it would be nice if we could have icons like gnome-system-monitor has
[01:54] <cbx33> i think having the pid in the list would be useful too
[01:54] <ogra> that would make the ui useless ...
[01:55] <cbx33> is it normal for gconfd to be orphaned?
[01:55] <cbx33> the user has been disconnected but the process still remains
[01:55] <ogra> imagine an arts teacher who just knows how to click stuff, he must understand and use it
[01:55] <cbx33> ok
[01:55] <ogra> dont confuse him with weird numbers 
[01:56] <ogra> (if you feel its needed, we can make it an option you can switch on/off
[01:56] <ogra> )
[01:56] <cbx33> nah it's ok
[01:56] <cbx33> I see your point
[01:56] <ogra> but i see yours too :)
[01:56] <ogra> so it might be a good thing to have it optional
[01:56] <cbx33> well what about an advanced mode
[01:56] <cbx33> that turns some things on in the ui
[01:57] <cbx33> like a toggle button
[01:57] <cbx33> Simple/Advanced
[01:57] <ogra> we should at least have a set of options you can switch on or off ... i'm not a friend of discriminating users by telling them they are non advanced :)
[01:58] <cbx33> ok I see your point there
[01:58] <ogra> lets keep that stuff fro the plugin writers ;)
[01:58] <ogra> *for
[01:58] <cbx33> indeed
[01:58] <cbx33> pygi is doing the plugin framework
[01:58] <cbx33> isn't he?
[01:58] <ogra> we only want a basic app taht does what it should perfectly ...
[01:58] <ogra> i'm not talking about the framework :)
[01:58] <cbx33> no i know
[01:58] <cbx33> I was just askin
[01:58] <cbx33> g
[01:59] <ogra> feel free to write a plugin later that has an advanced/simple switch ;)
[01:59] <ogra> but yes, pygi volunteered for that
[02:00] <cbx33> I can see now how plugins would be mega easy for it
[02:00] <ogra> thats the plan :)
[02:02] <ogra> damn typos
[02:04] <cbx33> ogra: who is cleaning up what is already there?
[02:04] <cbx33> all three of us?
[02:05] <ogra> feel free to clean up where you find ugliness :)+
[02:05] <cbx33> heh not ugliness
[02:05] <ogra> i'll rename the branch these days to have a non versioned name btw ...
[02:05] <cbx33> just the host name/process list should be cleaned upon disconnecting a user
[02:06] <ogra> it does, no ?
[02:06] <cbx33> nope
[02:06] <cbx33> not here
[02:06] <cbx33> I just got a user to login and I disconnected them
[02:06] <ogra> running on a regular ubuntu ltsp ? 
[02:06] <cbx33> but their name/host/proclist remained
[02:06] <cbx33> nope edubuntu
[02:07] <ogra> with the ubuntu ltsp package ??
[02:07] <cbx33> i er, this is a dapper edubuntu box
[02:07] <ogra> and a thin client ?
[02:07] <cbx33> yes
[02:07] <ogra> (note i never tested with vmware and am not particulary interested in that)
[02:08] <cbx33> nope this is real clients
[02:08] <ogra> well, the next polling of the userlist should clean up...
[02:08] <cbx33> ogra: tbph vmware should not have any bnearing on it at all
[02:08] <cbx33> ogra: ah, my last bug fix would fix it then
[02:08] <ogra> which means it should avnish withinn the next 5 secs or so from the UI after a user disconnected
[02:08] <cbx33> it's grumbling about the user variable again
[02:09] <cbx33> it was onyl one user after all
[02:09] <ogra> there is a function that refreshes in a given interval ...
[02:09] <cbx33> I'm gonna try again
[02:09] <ogra> poll#_userlist or something
[02:09] <cbx33> and apply my fix
[02:09] <DanielC> How do you make 'diff' produce output that can be used by 'patch' ?
[02:09] <ogra> sorry i cant discuss that now, we have a deadline for merges i have to do now
[02:10] <ogra> DanielC, diff -ruN oldfile newfile
[02:10] <DanielC> thanks
[02:10] <ogra> rodarvus, btw, how is X going ?
[02:10] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[02:10] <rodarvus> ogra, I'm researching all changes that are going to be needed (for the first step, at least), and writing a spec for it
[02:11] <rodarvus> I believe I'll have something palateable until the end of the day, tomorrow
[02:11] <rodarvus> (but by no means a "complete" spec)
[02:11] <rodarvus> the list of changes is huge
[02:11] <rodarvus> *huge*
[02:11] <ogra> cbx33, we have dedicated feature development time, all merges have to be done by jul 13th, after that i can concentrate on details of new features
[02:11] <cbx33> ogra: np
[02:12] <cbx33> I'll bug you in 10 days then
[02:12] <rodarvus> 25+ new packages and counting (and almost the same number of obsoleted packages)
[02:12] <ogra> rodarvus, yep, i expected that, i still wonder why we dont just go on maintaining our own packages
[02:12] <cbx33> ogra: is ther ea plan to put moin-desktop in edgy?
[02:13] <ogra> the are built upstream compatible, we would just have to renew the orig.tar.gz's and probably dol some minro changes
[02:13] <ogra> *they
[02:13] <rodarvus> maintaining our own X packages is insane, actually - even bigger work - Debian X packages are in a much better state than ours
[02:13] <rodarvus> switching to their packages, we will only need to worry about our own changes
[02:14] <ogra> sure, but ours were built by an upstream xorg guy who had in mind that they are as comaptible as possiblle to the upstream sources ...
[02:14] <ogra> indeed they were unmaintained over the half last release
[02:15] <rodarvus> thats daniels, right?
[02:15] <cbx33> ogra: as I'm finding bugs and things to do, should I put them on LP? or do we not use that for devel?
[02:15] <ogra> but apart from easier syncability i dont really see the advantage in syncing
[02:15] <ogra> yep
[02:16] <rodarvus> ogra, in theory, we'll have less trouble/work maintaining them in the future
[02:16] <ogra> cbx33, malone is the right place :)
[02:16] <cbx33> ok
[02:16] <ogra> rodarvus, well, that has to be proofed :)
[02:16] <rodarvus> :)
[02:17] <ogra> my theory was that we are nearer to upstream than debian ... so it would be easier to stay with upstream :)
[02:17] <ogra> but indeed that needs the manpower we dont have yet
[02:17] <rodarvus> ogra, I agree, but we have half (?) X maintainer - debian has four, or more :)
[02:18] <ogra> yep
[02:20] <ogra> finally xscreensaver built ...
[02:21] <ogra> will be fun to redo all the build deps again (i just did that in dapper, now all x lib names change again)
[02:22] <rodarvus> yep :/
[02:22] <rodarvus> it might happen that we are not even able to complete the job for edgy
[02:23] <rodarvus> really depends on the desired quality :D
[02:23] <ogra> well, we need to release with something working :)
[02:23] <rodarvus> haha
[02:23] <rodarvus> indeed
[02:23] <ogra> in some way or the other :)
[02:23] <rodarvus> at least just barely >:-)
[03:12] <jsgotangco> good evening
[03:13] <DanielC> yo
[03:18] <rodarvus> timezones are great stuff
[03:18] <rodarvus> its early morning down here :D
[03:18] <DanielC> It's early afternoon here :)
[03:21] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: rodrigo!
[03:22] <rodarvus> jsgotangco: jerome!
[03:23] <jsgotangco> how's things? how was your weekend?
[03:24] <rodarvus> cold :)
[03:24] <rodarvus> well, for us brazilians, at least
[03:26] <jsgotangco> nice
[03:30] <cbx33> ping Yagisan 
[03:39] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: ping
[03:39] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, pong
[03:40] <jsgotangco> how do you feel rejecting abandoned bugs after making a follow up for xorg and company?
[03:40] <jsgotangco> :D
[03:40] <rodarvus> heh
[03:40] <jsgotangco> im serious
[03:40] <rodarvus> I was thinking about this subject this morning, actually
[03:40] <jsgotangco> :D
[03:41] <rodarvus> I know
[03:41] <jsgotangco> i made a couple of follow ups before paris no reply
[03:41] <jsgotangco> fabio said he does that all the time
[03:41] <rodarvus> I guess I'd just leave as needinfo for a while and reject them when a new version is released
[03:42] <jsgotangco> doh that would be like october!
[03:42] <rodarvus> ('please reopen if you find this bug in the new version')
[03:42] <jsgotangco> well yeah i would most likely say that in a rejection notice
[03:42] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, this bug was here before dapper?
[03:42] <jsgotangco> we get lots of bugs for milestone releases
[03:42] <jsgotangco> that usually get abandoned
[03:42] <rodarvus> if so, you can do it already, given enough time for the reporter to manifest
[03:43] <jsgotangco> the problem with needs info is that it can get smothered by the glut of bugs in xorg so it takes a while to sort it out
[03:45] <jsgotangco> some of them have been completely forgotten, i make a follow up and i get a reply that they sold the card or the laptop already :D
[03:47] <rodarvus> these cases are clearly candidates for rejection
[03:48] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:54] <DanielC> REVU sucks
[03:54] <jsgotangco> don't complain here
[03:54] <DanielC> I tried to upload something, it failed, and now I can't manage to use dcut to clarn it.
[03:54] <DanielC> :(
[04:26] <Yagisan> pong cbx33
[04:44] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[04:57] <Yagisan> !seen hedgemage
[04:57] <ubotu> I last saw HedgeMage (i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage) 19h 12m 31s ago, quiting: "Real Life Calls!"
[04:58] <DanielC> cool
[04:58] <DanielC> !seen DanielC
[04:58] <ubotu> DanielC is on IRC right now!
[04:58] <Yagisan> I thought so too
[04:58] <DanielC> :)
[08:09] <highvoltage> ogra: i honestly don't know what else to add to the xfce spec, i put it up for review again
[08:10] <ogra> i saw that, lets see if the level of detail in the implementation/design suffices :)
[08:10] <highvoltage> yep :)
[08:11] <highvoltage> we're moving office this week, i can't wait until that's over, then i can finally get down to work again.
[08:12] <highvoltage> our new offices are at an ISP, and we are getting a 10mbit/s internet connection there, something that's unheard of in .za *g*
[08:15] <ogra> cool
[08:16] <highvoltage> two weeks from now i'm going to jo'burg, and then i'll get a chance to work on the diskless-fat-clients stuff.
[08:17] <highvoltage> i talked to jim and scott, and if possible, they will merge from my branch to ltsp upstream
[08:17] <highvoltage> it give me a good chance to get bzr figured out properly.
[08:17] <ogra> -> dinner
[08:17] <highvoltage> enjoy.
[08:27] <highvoltage> ogra: have you seen the post to edubuntu-users about seeing the thin client hostname on LDM?
[08:27] <juliux> hi everybody
[08:27] <highvoltage> that could perhaps be further functionality for ldmd
[08:27] <highvoltage> hi juliux 
[08:27] <ogra> highvoltage, ldm already reads /etc7hostname ...
[08:27] <juliux> how are you highvoltage ?
[08:28] <ogra> we just need to make sure to set it right
[08:30] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, i think i grok. where does ldm get //ltsp from then? or is /etc/hostname not set correctly?
[08:31] <highvoltage> i should probably just investigate :)
[08:31] <highvoltage> juliux: i'm feeling good. how are you?
[08:31] <juliux> not good
[08:31] <ogra> /etc/hostname is set on boot
[08:31] <ogra> (of the client)
[08:32] <ogra> if there is a dns server and it can look up the name it will set it
[08:32] <ogra> iirc
[08:33] <highvoltage> hmmm... i'm not sure what to answer to Phillipe
[08:33] <highvoltage> i'm also getting all my edubuntu-users mail thrice, which is a bit annoying :/
[08:33] <highvoltage> ogra: did you get that password for that list?
[08:34] <ogra> i have it since the list is public ... i wanted to set a new one in paris and share it with you ...
[08:34] <ogra> sinc ethats only a hash ... no password you could remember ...
[08:38] <highvoltage> ok, could you possibly check my subscription? i think i might be susbcribed more than once with different addresses.
[08:38] <highvoltage> and sorry to bother you with different things all at once. :)
[09:19] <Laser_away> highvoltage: still around?
[09:34] <DanielC> Laser_away: I've uploaded my first .deb to Revu :)
[09:36] <Laser_away> cool
[09:36] <DanielC> I hope I did it right.
[09:36] <DanielC> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2587
[09:37] <crimsun> version it -0ubuntu1
[09:37] <DanielC> Ok.
[09:37] <crimsun> I presume you want it in Debian, too
[09:37] <DanielC> I'd like that, yes.
[09:38] <DanielC> Does -0 mean that it's not in Debian yet?
[09:38] <crimsun> in which case it's probably better to concentrate your effort to get it into Debian, since we can just sync
[09:38] <crimsun> generally yes.
[09:41] <DanielC> Do I need to run both "debuild -S" and "debuild"? Or just "debuild -S"?
[09:41] <crimsun> I always use -S
[09:41] <Laser_away> debuild -S gives you the source package
[09:41] <DanielC> ok
[09:41] <crimsun> then I either sbuild or pbuild
[09:42] <DanielC> What's a source package anyways?
[09:42] <DanielC> Considering that this package is not compilable code.
[09:46] <Laser_away> Burgwork: well, I still don't know how this is going to work, tbh the KDE stuff kinda got in the way
[09:47] <EmxBA> hi everyone
[09:47] <EmxBA> I've finnaly got some time to talk on IRC :)
[09:47] <Laser_away> Burgwork: I think we will probably ship sabayon profiles provided that sabayon is fixed and we can get it to use groups
[09:48] <EmxBA> hi pygi!
[11:56] <Burgwork> LaserJock, ok
[11:56] <Burgwork> highvoltage, ping re: edubuntu case study