[12:23] <kwwii> apachelogger: one question about amarok icons
[12:23] <apachelogger> kwwii: yep
[12:26] <kwwii> apachelogger: if we get an entire oxygen theme together for amarok, would you guys be interested in using it? (ie. kinda the first release for oxygen)
[12:50] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Hi!
[01:05] <bddebian> Hi
[01:06] <DaSkreech> bddebian: Hi!
[01:06] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[01:09] <apachelogger> kood nikht all :-)
[01:24] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Can I ask a quick question?
[01:24] <DaSkreech> bddebian: Not very nice are they?
[01:25] <bddebian> I am used to it
[01:33] <nixternal> hiya DaSkreech
[02:05] <Hobbsee> morning all
[02:05] <imbrandon> moins Hobbsee
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon, how are you doing?
[02:07] <imbrandon> good, just wakin up ;)
[02:07] <imbrandon> getting ready fir sime breakfast
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hehenice
[04:16] <satempler> ok here is the bug and the patch for it is here as well
[04:16] <satempler> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128566
[04:16] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 128566 in khtml "Rendering of pages at http://www.linux.com is incorrect" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  
[04:21] <crimsun> satempler: have you confirmed the fix in Edgy?
[04:21] <satempler> no
[04:21] <satempler> but i thought since it was just a bug it could be fixed
[04:21] <satempler> before edgy
[04:21] <satempler> but then again
[04:22] <satempler> I am not sure how these things work
[04:23] <crimsun> sure, Edgy is in devel
[04:23] <crimsun> I'm uncomfortable applying fixes that haven't been at least road-tested by the person who brings them up
[04:25] <satempler> ya
[04:25] <satempler> ok
[04:26] <satempler> but it dosn't apper to be in +pachagebugs
[04:26] <satempler> ok
[04:26] <satempler> well thought I would throw it out there
[04:27] <crimsun> certainly. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
[04:27] <crimsun> I'll see if it applies and throw it at the buildds if it build-tests ok.
[08:42] <mornfall> DaSkreech: yes?
[09:37] <freeflying> Can we usee samba printer in kubuntu?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hi all
[12:48] <apokryphos> hiya Hobbsee
[02:03] <apachelogger> anyone from doc team around?
[02:05] <apokryphos> apachelogger: kubuntu docs are mainly down to jjesse's efforts; for the general docteam #ubuntu-doc would be a safe bet
[02:05] <apachelogger> hm, where to file a bug?
[02:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: kubuntu-docs
[02:05] <apachelogger> k, thx
[02:05] <apokryphos> malone, I'd guess
[02:15] <apachelogger> hm, why is kerry depending on the beagle package?
[02:15] <apachelogger> isn't that just the gnome frontend for libbeagle?
[02:17] <apokryphos> kerry's not totally independent yet, I believe
[02:17] <apokryphos> for example, at least, it still needs the beagle imlogviewer since there isn't one made for kde
[02:18] <apachelogger> ah, ok
[02:19] <Riddell> beagle's frontend and backend aren't packaged separately (yet)
[02:20] <apachelogger> ugh, that's basically shit :S
[02:23] <Riddell> shouldn't be hard to do if you have any mono experience (so you can tell which parts are needed and which aren't)
[02:34] <apokryphos> I don't believe it's just that, it's also that stuff are missing that beagle has (imlogviewer, there might be others).
[02:35] <apokryphos> it's the same issue on suse, kerry isn't totally independent
[04:14] <DaSkreech> mornfall: How does Adept keep the list of upgradeable packages? Is it recalculated everytime?
[04:15] <mornfall> DaSkreech: which list of upgradable packages?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> When you click upgradeable (Or unclick everything except upgradeable) How does it get that list of packages?
[04:16] <mornfall> like any other filter
[04:17] <mornfall> it's filtering, there are no lists of packages with every property
[04:17] <DaSkreech> Is there a way to query the database and generate a flat file with that information?
[04:17] <mornfall> sure
[04:17] <mornfall> look at apt-grep.cpp in libapt-front and statefilter.cpp in adept
[04:18] <mornfall> i have no idea why you would want to have that recorded in a file (probably better idea to query online)
[04:18] <DaSkreech> OK thanks :-) I have a lot of people asking to get the adept information in a portable file
[04:19] <mornfall> i don't quite get that ;-)
[04:19] <mornfall> an use-case maybe?
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Well two comon ones are I want to generate a list of all the files I have installed so I can a) give it to a friend or b) quickly rebuild my system elsewhere (Work, laptop, buying new computer) or if my computer crashes
[04:20] <mornfall> dpkg --get-selections?
[04:20] <mornfall> like that?
[04:20] <mornfall> come on :-)
[04:23] <DaSkreech> Second is I have no net and I'd like to carry the list of packages I have somewhere, update it, get the upgradeable packages and then carry them on a USB Drive back home to upgrade my machine
[04:24] <mornfall> apt-zip
[04:24] <mornfall> *come on*
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Apt-zip?
[04:31] <DaSkreech> That's pretty sweet :)
[04:32] <DaSkreech> Should Wiki those :)
[04:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[04:52] <Riddell> hi apokryphos 
[04:52] <Riddell> err, apachelogger 
[04:52] <Riddell> mornfall: does this look sane? http://kubuntu.ubuntu.cz/
[04:52] <Riddell> well, does it read sane I should say, I know it looks sane
[04:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: know the current status of Amarok 1.4.1?
[04:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've not touched it, need to do KDE first
[04:53] <apachelogger> k, I'm currently trying to get kopete up to revu ;-)
[04:54] <danimo> heya
[04:54] <jjesse> hello
[04:54] <Riddell> hi danimo, jjesse 
[04:54] <danimo> how are packages amarok 1.4.1 packages coming along?
[04:55] <jjesse> morning Riddell
[04:55] <Riddell> 15:53 < Riddell> apachelogger: I've not touched it, need to do KDE first
[04:55] <danimo> s/are packages/are/
[04:55] <Riddell> danimo: ^^ was about amarok 1.4.1
[04:55] <danimo> Riddell: kde?
[04:55] <Riddell> danimo: KDE 3.5.3 needs to be finished first
[04:55] <Riddell> which should get done today, assuming I ever get through all my e-mail
[04:56] <Riddell> jjesse: I've not had time to update the official book kubuntu chapter with the stuff you sent me, don't let me forget (although if there's someone else who can do it that would probably be faster)
[04:57] <danimo> Riddell: ok, so I'll build it myself :)
[04:57] <danimo> Riddell: we are not yet at 3.5.3?
[04:57] <jjesse> Riddell: no worries i haven't sent you the final text, just the final images
[04:57] <Riddell> danimo: no, only about half are in edgy
[04:57] <Riddell> and kde-i18n takes a night to upload
[04:57] <danimo> Riddell: ah, edgy
[04:57] <danimo> Riddell: I'm still on dapper, sorry :)
[04:58] <danimo> Riddell: "still" :)
[04:58] <jjesse> Riddell: hopefully matthew east can take care of it for me instead, it will get done faster then :)(
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Basically all devs are expected to be on edgy right?
[04:58] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I'm still on dapper :)
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: hi!!
[05:04] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech 
[05:05] <Hobbsee> yeah, going to go sleep soon
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Nght. How's the edgy install going?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> havent got it installed
[05:05] <Hobbsee> was doing some merges earlier though
[05:06] <Hobbsee> with help :)
[05:06] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:20] <DaSkreech> mornfall: http://hyper-get.sourceforge.net/
[05:32] <mornfall> Riddell: looks fine
[05:33] <Hobbsee> hi mornfall, Riddell 
[05:34] <mornfall> DaSkreech: ohwell, even synaptic can do that already for ages -- just no clicky thing for the downloader
[05:34] <mornfall> IIRC :)
[05:34] <mornfall> food
[05:34] <mornfall> hi Hobbsee too
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Does anyone know if there is a K one in the works?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> hey, when's the next kubuntu meeting, btw?
[05:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: monday 17th 13:00UTC
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, okay, cool
[05:42] <MrFaber> hi all
[05:42] <MrFaber> reported the kubuntu/koffice-template bug in launchpad
[05:42] <MrFaber> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/koffice-data/+bug/51751
[05:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51751 in koffice-data "creates wrong templates" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[05:42] <MrFaber> I hope on the right place since launchpad is very confusing imho :)
[05:43] <apachelogger> oioi, something's wrong with revu's upload queue :S
[05:43] <MrFaber> hi apachelogger :)
[05:44] <apachelogger> raphink: can you please take a look at it?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: looks like the rigt place to me
[05:44] <apachelogger> MrFaber: ahoy
[05:44] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: you have to be a part of the REVU group thing in laucnhapd
[05:44] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: check the topic in -motu
[05:44] <MrFaber> Hobbsee, thx
[05:44] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: and oh yeah, it was screwed on our connection earlier - although that might have been the connection, as it was impossible to upload direct to the archive too
[06:02] <DaSkreech> OK
[06:02] <DaSkreech> So 1.4.1 package building ? :-)
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Is there a cmake 2,4,1 deb for Kubuntu>
[06:07] <Hobbsee> night all
[06:07] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: not to my knowledge
[06:07] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: seeing as KDE stuff wouldnt be there
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Blast :-(
[06:08] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: and the focus is on KDE based merges, etc - of which there are a *lot*
[06:08] <hunger> DaSkreech: edgy has cmake 2.4.2.
[06:09] <DaSkreech> cmake Just depends on some C libs right?
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hunger: oh it does?
[06:09] <DaSkreech> I should be able to grab the debs and install on dapper?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> if you're asking that on a *developer* channel, that should really deserve a kick.
[06:10] <Hobbsee> or a really shirty reply
[06:10] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no, it needs to be synced from debian
[06:11] <Riddell> oh, ignore me, hunger seems to know more
[06:11] <DaSkreech> :-) 
[06:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, me too, dont worry.
[06:11] <DaSkreech> I can live without it :) 
[06:11] <hunger> Hobbsee: I think so... I do have that version and I think I did not get it from debian.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how are you doing with the merges/syncs?
[06:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: still catching up with my e-mail from the last week
[06:12] <hunger> OTOH it is version 2.4.2-1... ususally you guys stick some ubuntuSomething to it.
[06:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ouch.  send it all to /dev/null for an easy solution.
[06:12] <Hobbsee> [02:12]  <ubotu> cmake: A cross-platform, open-source make system. In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.4.2-1 (edgy), package size 4705 kB, installed size 11480 kB
[06:12] <Hobbsee> hunger: not if it's not modified by us ^
[06:13] <Hobbsee> [02:12]  <Hobbsee> !info cmake 
[06:13] <Hobbsee> [02:12]  <ubotu> cmake: A cross-platform, open-source make system. In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.2.3-1 (dapper), package size 3180 kB, installed size 7528 kB
[06:13] <Hobbsee> for dapper
[06:13] <hunger> Hobbsee: well, you always find something to change;-)
[06:13] <Hobbsee> hunger: hmmm?
[06:14] <hunger> Hobbsee: not you specifically, more you, the ubuntu developers.
[06:14] <Hobbsee> hunger: sometimes.  depends on what it is.
[06:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: are you going for MOTU?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm vaguely thinking about it - but not at a meeting that starts at 6am.
[06:15] <danimo> Hobbsee: TB?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> danimo: tech board
[06:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm thinking for it so i dont have to get permission to upload every single simple fix.  however, i'm not sure i'm ready for it yet in other areas, particularly after tonight.
[06:18] <nixternal> moins
[06:18] <apachelogger> world hates me :S
[06:18] <apachelogger> http://paste.bit-freaks.net/11
[06:18] <nixternal> ;)
[06:18] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[06:18] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ping raphink or siretart about that
[06:19] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: and a few of us were having trouble with revu earlier, but i think it was our AP
[06:19] <apachelogger> bad day to revu stuff I guess ;-)
[06:20] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: well, the archives were having the same problem too, so it wasnt just revu - so i'm suspecting the access point.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> Uptime: 1 hours and 20 minutes
[06:20] <Hobbsee> hmmm..
[06:21] <apachelogger> oioi
[06:21] <Hobbsee> oh, i was building, that's not so bad
[06:21] <apachelogger> ah, thx :D
[06:21] <apachelogger> yummy, olfen-50 
[06:23] <apachelogger> knite Hobbsee
[06:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:25] <Riddell> hi mikix 
[06:26] <mikix> hi riddell
[06:27] <Riddell> mikix: back in france?
[06:27] <pygi> kwwii, would you happen to be here?
[06:27] <Tonio_> hello all
[06:28] <mikix> Riddell : Yes, I am in france
[06:28] <Riddell> salut Tonio_ 
[06:28] <Riddell> mikix: are you going to have some code ready for us to see soon?
[06:30] <mikix> Riddell : yes, I published some code in my website (www.micoulou.info/kformat)
[06:31] <Riddell> ooh, excellent, I'll try and look at that today
[06:35] <Tonio_> salut Riddell
[06:35] <Tonio_> too hot this we to work....
[06:35] <Tonio_> it is better now
[06:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2589
[06:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: cool
[06:44] <apachelogger> s/upgrade/update
[06:44] <DaSkreech> ah
[06:44] <DaSkreech> I read that as kopete-desktop :)
[06:44] <apachelogger> oioi ;-)
[06:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's that?
[06:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32089
[06:46] <Tonio_> pwaaaaaaaa, the wiki is sloooooooooooooooooooooww
[06:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you still okay to split kaffeine ? I'm working on it actually
[06:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, please do it
[06:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: fun
[06:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: looks kinda cool - better than the kopete contact list actually
[07:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2590
[07:05] <Riddell> groovy
[07:05] <nixternal> apachelogger: i used to use the desklist plugin with .11...it is sweet!!
[07:06] <imbrandon> moins all
[07:07] <nixternal> moins imbrandon
[07:15] <imbrandon> heya Riddell whens the first knot scheduled ? does anyone know ?
[07:15] <Riddell> imbrandon: knot?
[07:15] <imbrandon> flight ?
[07:15] <imbrandon> heh cd release , what ever they will be called ;)
[07:16] <Riddell> 13th https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[07:16] <imbrandon> i was thinking somone said knot
[07:16] <imbrandon> ahh ok 
[07:16] <Riddell> yes, they seem to be knots
[07:16] <imbrandon> duh shoulda looked there sorry
[07:16] <Riddell> someone must have a good knowledge of collective nouns
[07:16] <imbrandon> heh
[07:17] <Riddell> what's that?
[07:18] <hunger> Riddell: crows for a "murder" and raven an "unkindness".
[07:19] <hunger> s/for/form/
[07:20] <imbrandon> heh well "c" is quite a few releases away ;)
[07:22] <hunger> imbrandon: Yeap. so is "r".
[07:28] <claydoh> what about "f"?, freaking fox/fisher/ferret/finch/flamingo/flea/fly :P
[07:28] <claydoh> or falcon
[07:30] <hunger> claydoh: I can't think of "strange" collective nouns for f:-)
[07:30] <nixternal> Ubuntu Fogey, you take it back old school
[07:30] <claydoh> finicky ferret
[07:30] <claydoh> flashy finch
[07:31] <claydoh> yeah that sucks, the F's
[07:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you receive the sms I sent you with wengo ?
[07:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes I did!
[07:38] <Riddell> so it all seems to work well
[07:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, sounds nice ;)
[07:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: just it'll be a pain to package........
[07:39] <Tonio_> scons inside.....
[07:39] <Tonio_> and since the application is hudge, I presume I will not have great time with it
[07:39] <Tonio_> pwa...... about 20 patches to rebuild for kaffeine......
[07:40] <apachelogger> Tonio_: maybe patch upstream instead?
[07:41] <Tonio_> apachelogger: in fact since the packaging will be completly different from the debian one, I'm restarting the package from scratch...
[07:41] <Tonio_> just keep the changelog
[07:41] <apachelogger> oh
[07:42] <DaSkreech> claydoh: Fuzzy Flamingo
[07:43] <claydoh> lol there you go
[07:49] <DaSkreech> The Edgy CDs are called Knots?
[07:51] <Riddell> seems so
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Does that get voted on?
[07:57] <Riddell> no
[07:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: why does current kaffeine package has this versioning ? 0.7.1-1.3ubuntu3
[07:58] <Tonio_> I don't understand the 1.3
[08:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: debian security update?
[08:07] <Riddell> or non-maintainer upload in debian
[08:23] <uniq> my ibooks sticks with dapper a few more days.
[08:23] <imbrandon> uniq: yea i'm thinking till the 13th
[08:24] <imbrandon> atleaste
[08:24] <imbrandon> i dont mind fixing a few bugs here and there but i need it FUNCTIONAL hehe
[08:24] <uniq> me too.
[08:25] <imbrandon> now my desktops i dont care about them lol
[08:25] <crimsun> wussy. why in the world would you want a functional kubuntu install? sheesh.
[08:25] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:25] <imbrandon> brb someones at the door
[08:25] <Riddell> "Arabian Linux is based on kubuntu now" we are the derived distro kings!
[08:26] <uniq> If i setup mutt for mail, i don't need a functional X anymore..
[08:26] <imbrandon> hehe so is mepis but its a mess
[08:26] <imbrandon> heh atm i get my mail with kmail but i guess i could setup mail.app in osx
[08:27] <imbrandon> Riddell: where did you see that ?
[08:27] <Riddell> imbrandon: they e-mailed me
[08:28] <uniq> imbrandon: do you actually use osx? I can't stand it.
[08:28] <Riddell> http://en.arabian-linux.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[08:38] <uniq> cool :)
[08:40] <imbrandon> uniq: yea i use it once in a while, mostly from MOL
[08:41] <uniq> I've setup MOL too.. don't use it though.
[08:48] <Lure> Tonio_: have you changed k-d-s to hook ksnapshot to PrtScrn
[08:48] <Tonio_> Lure: yes it is in for months
[08:48] <Tonio_> I would say 4 month at least
[08:49] <Lure> is it possible to hook khotkeys to xkeysym or keycode?
[08:49] <Lure> (I do not uderstand how your config file works)
[08:50] <Lure> I am looking for KubuntuLaptopButtons spec implementation and this may be best done by default settign for khotkeys
[08:50] <Lure> currently I am doing a quick hack for kmilo to just run xmodmap and add additional keycode -> xkeysym mappings
[08:50] <Tonio_> Lure: the problem in hooking keycodes is that it will affect gnome too....
[08:50] <Lure> this is enough for volume keys (done by kmilo)
[08:51] <Tonio_> this is the reason I do this within kde settings
[08:51] <Lure> Tonio_: kmilo does not run in GNOME
[08:51] <Tonio_> Lure: hum........
[08:51] <Tonio_> good point
[08:52] <Tonio_> Lure: in any case I don't see what would that change and in which way it is better but if it works, we can do it for edgy
[08:52] <Tonio_> Lure: why is that better ("just work" is enough to me ^^)
[08:53] <Riddell> Lure: better done in khotkeys?  doesn't khotkeys take XFoo and do something with it?  our problem is turning xevents into XFoo
[08:56] <Lure> Riddell: that is what I thought, but then after looking on ksnapshot solution I do not get it
[08:56] <Riddell> ksnapshot?
[08:57] <Lure> Riddell: I will now do the keycode->xkeysym (e.g. 160 -> XF86AudioMute) and then at least volume will work and all keys should have some nice xkeysym
[08:57] <Lure> Riddell: Tonio_ did add k-d-s config to configure Ksnapshot on PrtScrn and I do not understand how this works (I am just slow ;-))
[08:58] <Lure> see /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/khotkeysrc
[08:59] <Riddell> Key=Print  that'll be the xkeysym I'd guess
[08:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: exactly
[08:59] <Lure> Riddell: xkeysyms are of XF86xxx form, but it may be (just stripped of FX86 prefix)
[09:00] <Lure> ok, then I will do proper mapping and we can then add defaults to above khotkeysrc file, right?
[09:00] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't understand what "propper" mapping means :)
[09:01] <Tonio_> Lure: propper means "working" to me :)
[09:01] <Tonio_> Lure: but as long as it works... I don't mind if you can do better
[09:01] <Lure> Tonio_: kernel maps same key on any supported laptop to unique keycode (e.g. 160 is mute, 174 volume up) and these will be mapped to proper xkeysyms
[09:02] <Tonio_> Lure: okay and ?
[09:02] <Lure> so kmilo will do the mapping to xkeysym and then khotkeyrc will map XF86WWW to konqueror
[09:02] <Lure> (or firefox for me ;-))
[09:02] <Riddell> konqueror can set up its own key bindings
[09:02] <Riddell> oh well, starting a new konqueror will be khotkeyrc yes
[09:03] <Tonio_> Lure: I understand this, but appart from pure "theorical" things, what does it brings that make it work better ?
[09:03] <Lure> Riddell: I know, but this will be just for starting it and khotkeyrc can do that
[09:03] <Riddell> but stuff like XF86Back will be done in konqueror's keybindings
[09:03] <Riddell> Lure: yep
[09:03] <Tonio_> Lure: the only thing is that to convince me, "theorical soup" isn't enough :)
[09:03] <Lure> Tonio_: laptop keys working out of box on Kubuntu (as already do in Ubuntu dapper)
[09:03] <Tonio_> Lure: yes I know it is a plan
[09:04] <Riddell> Lure: are you doing a new kmilo module or changing an existing one?
[09:04] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is I don't know where is the conflict ?
[09:04] <Tonio_> is there a risk than the current setting causes an issue ?
[09:04] <Lure> Riddell: I am just hacking on generic to do xmodmap, but we can decide later if we need own module when we prove it works
[09:05] <Lure> Tonio_: there is no conflict (particulalrly as several keycodes can point to same xkeysym), it just is not mapped to anything useful
[09:05] <Riddell> hacking generic is probably a good idea
[09:05] <Tonio_> Lure: sorry but I don't follow you
[09:06] <Lure> Riddell: we could add ubuntu module, but default behaviour for volume is the same as in generic anyhow
[09:06] <Riddell> Lure: what's that?
[09:06] <Tonio_> Lure: aka, I don't understand the point between laptop buttons, keycodes, and a pure kde specific thing like the ksnapshot keybinding...
[09:06] <Lure> Riddell: therefore we need the whole generic anyhow (we just need to drop thinkpad and friend later)
[09:07] <Tonio_> smoething that runs at the systemlevel has to be configured as you say, but something specific to kde only has to be set in kde
[09:07] <Riddell> as I remember the generic one copied my code from thinkpad, and the kmix guy said it wasn't done right
[09:07] <Lure> Riddell: generic today just implements three keysyms: Mute, VolumeUp, VolumeDown, and since we will use xkeysyms it will just work
[09:07] <Tonio_> this is why most kde apps allow to redefine keybindings
[09:07] <Riddell> Lure: and lets kmix handle them?  no dcop calls?
[09:07] <Lure> Riddell: it works for me, but it may be wrong... I 
[09:09] <Lure> Riddell: personally, I would prefer each application handlign own bindings (as Tonio_ said), including on screen display (like amarok, konversation...) and then we could drop kmilo completely
[09:10] <Riddell> the main reason that doesn't happen is because knotify's on screen display is so bad
[09:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: kaffeine's a pain to split ;)
[09:11] <Lure> Riddell: but we can live with kmilo for now until kde4
[09:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: why's that?
[09:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: because there are much more files than with kmplayer :)
[09:12] <Tonio_> and as it is very long to build, testing is long...
[09:13] <Riddell> debuild -nc ?
[09:14] <Lure> Riddell: nice option - is it possible to use pbuilder's chroot for it?
[09:14] <apachelogger> mind if I do some promotion here? ;-)
[09:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: didn't knew this one :) it may help
[09:16] <DaSkreech> I do but you'll probably pimp anyway
[09:21] <Riddell> Lure: pbuilder is only for final checking, I'd use a normal chroot while you're developing the package
[09:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: what of?
[09:22] <apachelogger> amarok digg story
[09:22] <Lure> Riddell: ok, I thought so
[09:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's quite an important switch, how have you managed without it so f
[09:22] <Riddell> so far?
[09:22] <uniq> lure: you could always use pbuilder --login
[09:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a powerfull machine, and a lot of patience :)
[09:23] <uniq> :)
[09:23] <Lure> uniq: cool - it may work for me
[09:23] <uniq> patience is the key. :)
[09:24] <Tonio_> I only use pbuilder since I already saw lots of applications that are building correctly with debuild but fail in pbuilder
[09:24] <Tonio_> that's why I prefer to use the pbuilder environment from the begening to the end
[09:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that's true, but kdebase, sometime even patience isn't enough ;) that's why I have 2 machines lol
[09:25] <uniq> I can recommend cowbuilder.
[09:25] <uniq> makes pbuilding alot faster.
[09:25] <uniq> atleast on my slow ibook disk.
[09:26] <Lure> uniq: available for dapper?
[09:26] <uniq> I got it from sid.
[09:26] <uniq> installed it to dapper.
[09:26] <uniq> and hacked a little.
[09:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: when you have work professionnaly with windows for 8 years, you know what patience means lol ^^
[09:27] <uniq> you can try to get cowdancer from edgy.
[09:27] <Tonio_> that's probably why I never felt limited in time with pbuilder :)
[09:28] <Tonio_> uniq: I will have a look at it :)
[09:28] <uniq> oh my.. 8 years.
[09:28] <Tonio_> but I really prefer to continue with pbuilder instead of debuild....
[09:29] <Tonio_> there are too many things that work with debuild and fail with pbuilder (path issues most of the time)
[09:30] <uniq> there is 'pdebuild' you know.
[09:30] <Tonio_> uniq sure, but having local environment build system, plus pbuilder, plus chroot, plus blablabla.....
[09:31] <uniq> pdebuild is pbuilder.
[09:31] <Tonio_> pbuilder is okay and I don't feel limited so I'm fine with it (but I don't package hudge stuff, that's probably why...)
[09:31] <Lure> Riddell: edgy still does not have 3.5.3, right? kdeutils is missing libsnmp5-dev build-dep... :-(
[09:31] <uniq>        pdebuild - pbuilder way of doing debuild
[09:31] <Tonio_> uniq: I know :)
[09:32] <Riddell> Lure: not all of 3.5.3, use libsnmp9-dev same as in dapper
[09:33] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will do (or swith to 3.5.2 for time being)
[09:34] <Riddell> Lure: what are you building in?  
[09:35] <Riddell> I can do kdeutils after I've had some tea 
[09:35] <Lure> Riddell: kdeutils 3.5.3 from dapper in edgy chroot (asking for trouble ;-))
[09:55] <apachelogger> pygi: please digg ;-) http://digg.com/software/Amarok_1.4.1_released_with_Last.fm_stream_support!
[09:56] <pygi> apachelogger, I refuse to join digg :P
[09:56] <pygi> I am so behind this Amarok stuff :(
[09:56] <apachelogger> pygi: ah, come on, help us a bit :)
[09:56] <pygi> That guy that wanted to help me maintain GST engine is in a 12 hours different timezone, and its really hard
[09:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a problem in splitting kaffeine.......
[09:59] <Tonio_> grmpf.....
[09:59] <pygi> apachelogger, can you please try to remember who I talked with about  maintaining it?
[09:59] <pygi> I cant remember developers name :-/
[09:59] <Tonio_> the embedded player is provided with the xine part....
[09:59] <Tonio_> same file, same lib
[10:00] <apachelogger> pygi: maybe foreboy?
[10:00] <pygi> apachelogger, yes, he's the one I was about to comaintain engine with
[10:00] <pygi> but the amarok dev
[10:00] <pygi> (some other one)
[10:00] <Tonio_> in fact the xine engine IS the embedded player......
[10:01] <Tonio_> this is the reason kaffeine can use the kmplayer konqueror's plugin.....
[10:01] <apachelogger> foreboy is already an amarok dev :P
[10:01] <apachelogger> helix maintainer
[10:01] <pygi> I know, I know :)
[10:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact the xine engine support in kaffeine is the plugin.......
[10:01] <apachelogger> pygi: no one else did at least do work on the gst10 engine
[10:01] <Tonio_> kaffeine_part.desktop.......
[10:01] <pygi> apachelogger, I know no one else worked on gst engine, just gimme names pls :)
[10:02] <apachelogger> aumull
[10:02] <Tonio_> kaffeine itself is simply a plugin reader, so it can use kmplayer or codeine konqueror's extension.......
[10:02] <apachelogger> *aumuell even
[10:02] <pygi> apachelogger, next :P
[10:02] <apachelogger> eean
[10:02] <pygi> next
[10:02] <apachelogger> iillissius
[10:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: so we can't remove the plugin actually...
[10:02] <pygi> apachelogger, ah, next
[10:02] <apachelogger> jefferai
[10:02] <pygi> next
[10:03] <apachelogger> lfranchi
[10:03] <pygi> hm, lemme try to dig up on mail
[10:03] <apachelogger> ;-)
[10:03] <Riddell> pygi: you could ask Rob Taylor
[10:03] <pygi> apachelogger, right, sebr :)
[10:03] <apachelogger> pygi: huh? sebr working on the gst engine?
[10:04] <pygi> apachelogger, no, but I talked with him about getting involved in Amarok :)
[10:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://digg.com/software/Amarok_1.4.1_released_with_Last.fm_stream_support! you only need to reg and click digg it! on the news page ;-)
[10:04] <apachelogger> pygi: ah :)
[10:16] <pygi> apachelogger, :P
[10:16] <apachelogger> so, now I want everybody to digg http://digg.com/software/Amarok_1.4.1_released_with_Last.fm_stream_support! and also tell all your frinds :)
[10:21] <nixternal> Riddell: wiki link for edgy packages that need packaging?
[10:21] <seaLne> nixternal: /topic
[10:21] <nixternal> gahahahah
[10:21] <seaLne> assuming that was what you ment?
[10:21] <nixternal> i looked right at, right b4 you posted that
[10:21] <nixternal> exactly what i meant ;)
[10:21] <seaLne> hehe
[10:21] <pygi> kwwii, poking :)
[10:29] <kwwii> re
[10:37] <pygi> wow, kwwii is alive :)
[10:37] <kwwii> hehe
[10:37] <kwwii> kinda
[10:37] <kwwii> too many beers
[10:39] <imbrandon> or not enough kwwii ;)
[10:41] <pygi> kwwii, oki, laters then :P
[10:42] <Tonio_> hey kwwii
[10:43] <Tonio_> fine to be back home I assume ? :)
[10:43] <kwwii> hehe