=== gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:20] nixternal :) [12:35] nixternal are you there? === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.159.11.178.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:24] /j #bzr [01:24] sorry ;) [01:33] adamant1988: im here now!! ;) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:41] so nixternal I got photoshop [01:41] cool ;) [01:43] but not imageready... [01:43] erm [01:43] illustrator... === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:43] duh... [01:43] hehe === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:46] yeah so that means Im' stuck with inkscape for logos =\ [01:47] hehe [01:47] you can't win um all [01:47] ech.. this one.. it was kind of important to me... lol. [01:49] I guess I'll have to learn how to use inkscape more =\ [01:50] i haven't messed with inkscape much [01:51] right now i am building a new chroot and pbuilder for edgy packaging on my other system [01:51] right now it seems to be working good [01:52] I would like to learn how to do those things... but it's occured to me that my expertise lies in the puzzles of marketing... [01:52] hehe [01:52] im learning the whole packaging thing myself [01:52] i have done it years ago...but i don't remember much of it [01:53] good morning [01:53] morning to you jsgotangco [01:53] good morning that is [01:54] packaging eh? [01:54] trying it again [01:54] i figure to be useless for edgy packaging right now, but prepare for edgy+1 [01:54] its fun but something i don't have the patience to do [01:54] if i remember back in the early days, i didn't have patience either, as it would tie up a system for days === adamant1988 [n=adam@h-141-153-101-86.ckb.meer.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:55] that was WEIRD. [01:55] that's true [01:55] adamant1988: make sure you are using port 8001 [01:55] don't use 6667 or 6668 [01:55] why? === jsgotangco just enjoys hacking up interfaces [01:55] did you just do that? [01:55] as the script kiddies will kill you with dcc hacks [01:55] no that was no kick [01:56] my whole computer locked. [01:56] ahhh [01:56] still...connect via 8001 from now on ;) [01:56] that was freaky as hell... pardon the language. [01:56] what could cause that? [01:56] gnome ;) [01:56] so gnome just hard-locked my computer? === nixternal pets his non-locking up and non-crashing kde ;) [01:57] muhahah [01:57] volume is messed up too [01:58] doh [01:59] weird... [01:59] would gnome also mess up my volume? [02:00] couldn't tell you...i tend to stay away from gnome ;) [02:00] well that was just plain weird.. [02:00] can I make my desktop into kde without screwing anything up? [02:03] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [02:03] you will have gnome and kde that way [02:03] how will I switch? [02:04] also is there any risk of that breaking something? [02:08] nixternal? [02:08] adamant1988: At the login menu, click "Sessions" and choose KDE. [02:08] and the risks? [02:08] adamant1988: No, it won't break anything. I had Gnome, KDE, XFCE, Fluxbox, Openbox, fvwm, and a few others all once, and it was all well and good. [02:08] ok, how can I get it to default to kde? [02:08] adamant1988: Okay, one risk: Your Gnome menu will be cluttered with KDE apps. [02:09] That's it. [02:09] adamant1988: When you log in using KDE it will ask you whether it's a one time thing or if you'd like to make it default. [02:09] So just click "Make default" [02:09] ok, I'm trusting you guys... [02:09] can this be done through synaptic or add/remove? [02:09] Synaptic for sure. Add/remove I doubt. [02:10] ok, synaptic it is [02:10] I like synaptic [02:13] downloading... [02:14] I was told that the freeze could have been a kernel panic. [02:24] tonyyarusso, will all of my applications remain in the menu and so forth when I install kubuntu? [02:25] adamant1988: Yeah, you'll have them from both environments. [02:25] awesome [02:25] I will have to play around.. if gnome was the culprit behind that crash then kubuntu it is for me. [02:26] Is it true that Mark Shuttleworth uses kubuntu? [02:26] That's what I've heard anyway. [02:26] oh well, as long as there isn't a risk of losing my computer by doing this, I'm all for experimentation [02:27] The worst case scenario of 95% of things you can do is losing the ability to boot, and then you'd just grab a live cd to get your data and then reinstall. [02:29] yeah... but that's a lot of data.. [02:30] more importantly, I'm worried about my packages... I'll have to look for a backup program as soon as I am done in synaptic. [02:31] is kde as fast or faster than gnome (just curious) [02:35] ok reboot time... [02:35] wish me luck... === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === adamant1988 [n=adam@h-141-153-101-86.ckb.meer.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:47] yay I'm back [02:49] wb [02:51] everything went pretty smoothly [02:51] although for some reason the first time I restarted it was gnome -_- === kgoetz reads up [02:55] you have to set your default DE [02:55] re packages: dpkg --get-selections > myPackageList [02:56] dselct install I have it set now.. [02:57] I was just saying I thought it was weird that it did that [02:59] hrmm [02:59] this is no good... [02:59] I can't open up the display option in the control panel... === adamant1988 [n=adam@h-141-153-101-86.ckb.meer.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-177.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:06] nixternal... that failed miserably... [03:12] wait nevermind that wasn't kde's fault === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === TxH [n=wqhflwu@20150044102.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === adamant1988 [n=adam@h-141-153-101-86.ckb.meer.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.159.11.178.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === gaz00_ [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === gaz00_ [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-177.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-177.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === adamant1988 [n=adam@h-141-153-101-86.ckb.meer.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-177.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === adamant1988 [n=adam@h-141-153-101-86.ckb.meer.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:57] nixternal, I like your kubuntu suggestion :) everything is showing up in the menus like it's supposed to, etc. [05:58] hehe [05:58] good deal [05:58] im debating on taking my laptop up to bed and chilling!!! [05:58] ;) [06:00] haha... and I found sodipodi in adept... [06:00] why wasn't it in add/remove... === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rikai [i=rikai@pool-72-65-96-154.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:13] adamant1988: likely no .desktop file [06:13] adamant1988: file a bug === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:16] ok :) [06:22] nixternal you wouldn't know how to add a program to my startups would you? [06:22] I know how to do it under gnome... but not kde === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.159.11.157.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === damned [n=vpol@prior.lanck.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:05] morning all [08:06] hey === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === GazzaK [n=Gary@81.130.170.65] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === GazzaK [n=Gary@81.130.170.65] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["so] === mindspin [n=mindspin@pD95FCA01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-177.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === silbs [n=jane@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === synchronboy [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:03] morning all [10:04] hey mate [10:08] Good morning [10:09] morning [10:09] 0109 is morning, more or less ;) [10:10] I've just spent a weekend wrestling to get Dapper installed on a ThinkPad. Turns out the installer has a bug with some Intel graphics chips. Urg. [10:10] The installer team are onto it tho'. === kgoetz_ [n=kgoetz@ppp142-254.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === kgoetz_ is now known as kgoetz === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-177.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === digitalmouse [n=jimm@p5481E079.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:44] greetings programs! [12:45] hey :) [12:45] hi there [12:46] :) [12:49] all well? [12:53] not bad, if a little tired. self? [01:04] Just found out that a colleague died yesterday. Really sad situation. Otherwise, not bad thanks. [01:05] wow, that must be a shock :| [01:05] Yeah, was a bit :( [01:05] Anyway, pushing off for lucnh, catch you later. [01:06] later mate === GazzaK [n=Gary@81.130.170.65] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:24] take care [01:24] whoops- matthew already 'pushed off' [01:24] oh well === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-177.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Ro1 [n=admin@ool-182deb25.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:10] hi === Ro1 [n=admin@ool-182deb25.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [02:11] hello all [02:16] hi [02:17] what's new? [02:18] dunno, haven' been here often lately [02:19] ah... [02:19] I have, hasn't done me much good. [02:19] i'm still clueless [02:21] I just installed kubuntu from synaptic... I'm waiting for it to break... [02:23] Clueless about what? [02:23] The marketing team... so far the only thing I've been asked to do is a logo, and I suck with inkscape so I haven't been able to do that. [02:27] Well, if you the design of the logo is not working, then that's no problem. It's only voluntary, so you do what you can [02:28] yeah, I'm just dissapointed because I was really good with illustrator and photoshop, but inkscape... not so much. [02:28] adamant1988: /me lols ;) [02:28] adamant1988: just keep practicing and you will get there [02:28] all graphics people say that [02:29] say what? [02:29] "I was really good with illustrator and photoshop, but inkscape..." [02:29] so it's not just me then. [02:30] Hey adamant1988 - what's the logo you're working on? [02:30] hehe. absolutely not - i know at least half a dozen peopl off the top of my head [02:31] I was told to make a logo for the marketing team using the ubuntu logo, and an africa facing globe. No text. [02:31] The "idea" was to center the glove in the ubuntu logo, and use gradients to make everything appear as though it were in a glass ball. [02:32] adamant1988: Cool. I'm relatively new to the team, so I've probably missed the discussion about that. Where did it come from? [02:32] we would have to get it okd by canonical (using the ubuntu logo) [02:32] Unfortunately, inkscape disagreed with my use of gradients, and then refused to save properly. [02:33] adamant1988: ping lucychili (shes in #technest), and have a chat with her, she shares your pain ;) [02:33] she might be able to help with $stuff [02:33] bbs [02:33] k [02:34] adamant1988: So where did the momentum for the logo come from? [02:34] idk, I wasn't around for a discussion [02:34] nixternal said he needed a logo and asked me to make it. [02:35] Oh right. Was that recently? Everything's been changing lately. [02:35] yeah, I just joined very recently [02:35] although since last night I've been fighting with my computer [02:36] so I haven't put anymore work into it [02:36] it was discussed a few days to aweek ago [02:37] kgoetz: On the ML? [02:38] in here [02:38] it was actualy mroe nixternal saying 'i want a log' then a discusion ;) [02:38] he doesn't fully understand the different kinds of image types... [02:39] he wanted me to make a scalable animated logo with a spinning globe at first... [02:39] :) Personally, I think we're better off using the mailing list to discuss that sort of thing, as everyone then gets a chance to get involved. [02:39] adamant1988: Woah === zard1989 [n=zard1989@125-233-243-3.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:39] adamant1988: Spinning globe? [02:39] yes... [02:39] nixternal: Are you from the 1980s? :-p [02:40] he still wants one, he just doesn't expect it to be scalable now. === adaam_ [n=adaam@61-231-60-47.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:41] adamant1988: Why don't you make your first post to the mailing list by introducing the idea of a logo? We can then have a chat about how we want to be seen, what we want the logo to communicate. === adamant1988 has never been on a mailling list and isn't sure how that works =\ [02:41] I think it's great for people to put ideas forward, but it seems a bit of a waste of effort to come up with a logo before it's been discussed on the ML. [02:41] adamant1988: Ah, don't worry, it's really easy. [02:41] adamant1988: I'll help you. [02:41] have you seen my rough logo idea for the ubuntu magazine? you are welcome to expand/rip/mod that to you hearts content :-) [02:42] adamant1988: dont top post or use html email and your set :) [02:42] adamant1988: I'm writing a guide at the moment, on the wiki. [02:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/MailingListIntro [02:42] Haven't had time to finish it tho' :( [02:42] ok what's top post? [02:43] tell me that much and I'm set. [02:43] http://digitalbyond.net/~ubuntumag/files/chameleon_logo.gif if you want to use that (or it's concept)... it's very rough - about 5 minutes of work really... I just have not had time to refine it [02:43] adamant1988: its where you reply to an email above teh text your replying to [02:43] adamant1988: When you relpy to a message, quote only the relevant bits and pop your reply under the bit you're replying to. [02:43] adamant1988: Top posting is where you quote the whole lot beneath your reply. [02:43] like a quote in the forums. === digitalmouse goes back to sleep [02:44] digitalmouse don't you think it should be an svg? === digitalmouse wakes up [02:44] digitalmouse: Nice idea, combining the logos, bit wide though, I'd say. [02:44] absolutely.. actually I have it locally as that, just not exported [02:44] pang was a quick-n-dirty [02:44] png* [02:44] hrmmmm... [02:45] I have an idea.... how would you guys feel about a 'die' [02:45] adamant1988: ? [02:45] as in a role-playing style of die (dice) ? [02:45] 20-sided, etc. ? [02:45] yes, as in a die (dice) but more like 6 sides [02:45] or in our case a 4 or 6 [02:45] there would be four visible sides [02:46] each side would have an ubuntu distro logo on it. [02:46] how many variants are we up to now 6? (ub, kub, edub, xub, nub, ?) [02:46] adamant1988: What's the reasoning behind a dice then? === adaam_ is now known as adaam [02:46] digitalmouse: and an unofical ebuntu (e17) [02:46] iirc [02:46] ah [02:47] it could incorperate all of the buntus that are official. Not singular to Ubuntu... [02:47] I use kubuntu now (I feel like a traitor) but I still use kubuntu... [02:47] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/derivatives === digitalmouse scratches head [02:47] ? === kgoetz says rude stuff about the number of posable ubuntus+cds [02:48] brb [02:48] k [02:48] haha, I'm just saying I think using more that one ubuntu distro shows that we're marketing the whole family. Unless we're not... [02:48] adamant1988: I dunno, are we? [02:49] adamant1988: I assume we are [02:49] that's what I would assume too [02:49] heh, maybe a future project is to distribute all the ubuntu variants on a high-density DVD :-p [02:49] adamant1988: Again, that's something we need to thrash out on the mailing list. [02:49] i use the word u [02:49] "ubuntu" to refer to The Real Thing and all the ripoffs :) [02:49] :) [02:50] :) [02:50] yeah... I need to get some support for my kde install I preformed... [02:50] I wish gnome were more reliable... [02:50] Dependig on we're talking to, it may be simpler to say Ubuntu, than confuse things. [02:50] but when I get the tires kicked in I can start on projects again [02:50] adamant1988: Gnome's stable for me. [02:51] gnome didn't display like half of my programs, and it caused a very pretty hard-lock lastnight. [02:51] adamant1988: If you need any help with the mailing list,let me know. [02:51] how should I title my post? [02:51] adamant1988: We definitely need to get logo discussion etc onto it. [02:51] adamant1988: Logo for Ubuntu Marketing Team ? [02:51] :) [02:52] oh so none of that Volume 9, akdjfkajsdafjl 10 stuff? [02:52] adamant1988: Lordy no :) [02:52] GOOD [02:53] I'll make a post then [02:53] Cool. [02:53] I wonder if making an olympic chain out of the ubuntu logos would be a bad thing?? [02:53] Not everoyne can access IRC or is in the channel when things are discussed. [02:54] adamant1988: Nice idea :) Not sure it would scale, though, and it might look a bit derivative. [02:55] I could make it scale just fine. [02:55] adamant1988: canonical policy is to not allow rotating the logo if thats an issue [02:55] the olympic chain is kinda copyrighted.. so be careful [02:55] or we could link them in some fashion... idk... I'm posting... lol. [02:57] adamant1988: Could you make it so that the logos were recognisable when the whole logo got quite small? I'm not talking about it pixelating but more that the individual logos would be too small to see what they were, possibly, at small size [02:58] how small are we talking? [02:58] I design at 64x64 usually [02:58] adamant1988: you should make it 'full sized' vector and scale it down [03:00] I usually work at the opposite... I work for the 'lowest common denominator' which is 9/10 that some logo is going to be made itsy bitsy for a website. [03:01] adamant1988: As kgoetz says, it'd need to be technically vector but the point is that as a logo, in doing its job, it needs to be recognisable when it's big or small. Too much detail and it might just look like some rings. [03:01] That's not say I'm against the idea of linking them === zard1989 is now known as zard1989|away [03:02] I just wonder if for simplicity, any logo should be based on the main Ubuntu one. [03:02] idk... that policy makes me feel like a traitor using kubuntu.. I don't like it. [03:03] I actually wish Kubuntu wasn't a seperate version of ubuntu [03:03] :%s/wasnt a/didnt act like a [03:03] ??? === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.9.189] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === digitalmouse is now known to be asleep, or working... or some such nonsense [03:13] lol [03:15] lol === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === digitalmouse [n=jimm@p5481E079.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === adamant1988 [n=adam@h-141-153-101-86.ckb.meer.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === zard1989|away [n=zard1989@125-233-243-3.dynamic.hinet.net] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === GazzaK [n=Gary@81.130.170.65] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["so] === MagicFab [n=magicfab@modemcable113.78-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:23] aloha [05:24] gday [05:26] hey [05:27] jenda: I thought you were away for a few more days. Welcome back! [05:27] matthewrevell: back for a day ;) [05:27] Ah [05:27] you went away? [05:27] over 200 mails.. [05:27] I see === kgoetz wondered where you were [05:27] and kgoetz didn't even notice... [05:27] jenda: only 200 :P [05:28] kgoetz: successful spam filtering ;) [05:28] matthewrevell: did you handle stanz? [05:28] lol jenda [05:28] jenda: I don't remember having a need to handle stanz. Erm, I'm confused. [05:29] got him [05:29] he posted on the mailing list, not very happy about being deactivated. [05:29] I'm activating him now. [05:30] Ah right, I see :) [05:31] Sorry, thought he'd be re-activated already, for some reason. === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:39] :) np [05:40] ah, now the MT mailing list... will be interesting, I presume? [05:41] :) There's a bit of discussion. [05:41] Unfortunately, a weekend with a dead laptop and too many other things to do meant that I haven't been able to do all I hoped. [05:42] bug #43722 [05:42] sorry, wrong window [05:42] heh [05:49] anyone seen coopster? === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:58] bbl [06:00] jenda: No, sorry. === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [06:17] moins to all [06:26] anyone having issues sending with gmail accounts? === damned [n=vpol@damned.vpol.org.ru] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === adamant1988 [n=adam@h-141-153-101-86.ckb.meer.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:46] hello all. [06:46] hi === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:47] nixternal, that is the LAST time I let you talk me into anything. [06:47] I spent all morning removing and repairing things that Kubuntu-desktop broke =\ [06:57] hello nixternal, KenSentMe [06:57] ... gnomefreak [06:57] jenda: [06:57] and welcome to the team, adamant1988 ;) [06:58] ty ;) === silbs [n=jane@217.205.109.249] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [06:58] i have an interview for a marketing job (i have to call and set it up) i found that ironic as hell [06:59] cool ;) [06:59] I hope it ain't the job for Canonical, bucause I'd strangle you in envy. [06:59] lol [07:00] no some sports company === gnomefreak has to learn marketing really fast too lol [07:00] thanks jenda :) [07:01] Jenda, I have an idea for the logo and this is strictly an idea because I'm not sure what's within the realm of legality concerning the Ubuntu logo. [07:02] adamant1988: anything is if the big C approves. [07:02] but, sure, shoot ;) [07:02] im not real sure keeping ubuntu and edubuntu the same (but im still thinking on them) [07:02] What I was thinking was that we could take a stock ubuntu logo, and 'map' a map onto it. [07:03] define map [07:03] It would look like an ubuntu logo cut out of a vector based map. map as in globe. [07:03] but by mapping I mean overlaying. As in any part that isn't covering the logo isn't visible. [07:05] it would be scalable, because the stock map would be vector to start with. if neccessary we could frankenstein the edubuntu, kubuntu, and ubuntu logos together [07:05] and with edubuntu we could just use the part that shows the student holding up their hand. [07:05] uhh, we really don't need a logo [07:06] talking about a logo distracts us from more important things, like actually marketing [07:06] I know, but I was asked to make one [07:07] Burgwork: in a sense i agree but to beable to label something (say fliers/newspapers/whatever it may be) witha logo would be nice [07:07] A logo would be important if we needed people to remember us as an organization. [07:08] But, and this is just my opinion, our goal is to market Ubuntu, not the marketing team. [07:08] gnomefreak, yep, that logo would be the Ubuntu one [07:08] we already have one [07:09] the organization people should be remembering in Ubuntu, not the Ubuntu marketing team [07:09] precisely Burgwork :) [07:12] btw, I haven't been keeping up too much with the mailing list because I haven't learned how to reply and such and I don't seem to actually receive any emails other than the digests. [07:12] but have we decided who our target market(s) are going to be? [07:13] everybody [07:14] people should work on a segment that interests them [07:14] ie: home users, schools, libraries, corporatinos [07:14] IMO the home users are the greatest challenge. [07:15] there's plenty to offer school, and there's plenty to offer big business.. [07:16] But for the average home user who's main concern is features, Ubuntu is a step down from windows... [07:16] stop thinking like that [07:17] an average home user just uses email and internet [07:17] exactly [07:17] and watches stupid videos on youtube [07:17] for the corporate stuff, we need case studies and things like that [07:17] Ubuntu would never be a step down in that instance..but a step up [07:17] no viruses, no spyware, and no malware [07:17] for the home user, we need fancy brochures [07:18] Ubuntu might be an issue for the avid gamer [07:18] Burgwork: hello [07:18] In that respect yeah. But I think we should somehow 'market' easyubuntu as well... home users are going to notice when their flash games stop working... === jenda runs ;) [07:18] or automatix or w/e [07:18] Please don't mention automatix while I'm here ) [07:19] soft spot huh? [07:19] You'll have a whole week to talk about it starting two days from now :) [07:19] But not now ;) [07:19] Yes indeed, very soft. [07:19] ok, I'll just use easyubuntu as a coverall then. [07:19] hey jenda, how are you [07:19] ;) [07:19] Burgwork: a little rushed [07:20] adamant1988, as the official marketing team, we should avoid talkinga bout non-official solutions [07:20] Burgwork: hope you don't mind anything that happened around [07:20] no, I have just got back in the office, been on the road for almost three weeks [07:20] yeah... [07:20] I just see it as a potential problem.... === jenda will have to give some thought to the unofficial resources [07:21] ignore it [07:21] that is what the documentation is for === jenda has been fighting unoff. resources at the official Czech forum for some time. [07:21] marketing is talking about what is great, not what sucks [07:21] BTW: === jenda is a member of the easyubuntu team as well, so /me isn't too impartial on this [07:22] jenda, have you seen the spec about making easyubuntu/automatix/etc. obsolete? [07:22] Burgwork: prolly not...? [07:22] marketing is the act of persuasion. You want people to be 100% convinced that they're making the 'right choice' they're going to feel a little side-swiped if all of the sudden they can't listen to their music collection or play that rediculous flash game they're in love with. [07:23] nope [07:23] they will not be [07:23] marketing about getting their attention [07:23] sales is about persuasion [07:23] +1 [07:23] My bad, I confuse the two sometimes [07:24] they are very similar [07:24] It's easy to confuse that - thanks for the good wording, Burgwork [07:24] in the open source world, we don't have a sales teams [07:24] I was on the 'marketing team' for a few webites that relied on ad-revenue... so basically marketing and sales were one in the same for me =\ [07:24] hence why we need two kinds of marketing (grabbing stuff and selling stuff) [07:25] the grabbing stuff needs to be short and sweet [07:25] think apple ad [07:25] the selling stuff is primarily our website, but is also things like case studies and more indepth feature demos [07:25] so Burgwork what is this spec about easyubuntu and all being absolete? [07:25] erm [07:26] obsolete... [07:26] Burgwork: linky? [07:26]