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Sp4rKyhi12:08
\shanyone care to sponsor uploads for me? some merges not much12:15
crimsunsure, URLs?12:15
\shcrimsun: http://archive.linux-server.org/12:16
\shcrimsun: give me a few minutes...I'll uploading some more ;)12:17
crimsunok12:17
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\shcrimsun: ok...give me time until tomorrow...I think then someone can throw a lot to the buildds12:23
\shs/until tomorrow/until later today)12:23
crimsunok, I'll check in a few hours12:23
\shcrimsun: thx12:25
anibalcrimsun: Ubuntu Installer: Accepted librpcsecgss 0.13-1 (source)12:28
anibalcrimsun, thanks12:28
crimsunanibal: np, I see you've uploaded nfs-utils -10. Do you have a merge?12:28
anibalcrimsun, I'm preparing a new package nfs-utils_1.0.8-10ubuntu1, without the huntch that you suggested12:29
crimsunanibal: excellent12:29
anibalcrimsun, that it's all we need to get NFSv4 available in ubuntu :)12:30
crimsun:)12:30
anibalI'll email you when it's ready, I'm at work at the moment, It's Mon 08:30 here in Melbourne, Australia12:31
crimsunanibal: np12:33
\shanyone care to approve (or at least: yes, it is a sync) for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/asc/+bug/5163812:35
UbugtuMalone bug 51638 in asc "sync asc 1.16.3.0-3 from debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 12:35
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\shmom report: http://merges.ubuntu.com/a/asc/REPORT12:37
crimsundone.12:37
\shthx12:38
\shmore to come ;)12:38
\shbtw...pittis requestsync script...does it work?12:38
crimsunnever tried it12:39
\shwhat is nowdays the correct font path? usr/share/X11/fonts/misc/ or usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ ?12:46
crimsunI suspect we won't know until the transition plans for 7.1 from Debian are complete12:47
\shcrimsun: what do you think about this bugreport _ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=36234012:48
crimsunaccording to /etc/fonts/fonts.conf, /usr/share/fonts/ and /usr/share/X11/fonts/ are both valid12:48
crimsun\sh: seems valid, and it'll work in Edgy12:50
\shcrimsun: do we have xfonts-utils with bdftopcf in edgy? I just searched, but didn't find any hint on it12:51
crimsun\sh: no, we still have it as a separate package 'bdftopcf'12:52
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\shcrimsun: thx...so I'm not clueless ;)12:53
crimsunDebian Sid, for instance, has xutils-dev, but we have xutils, imake, makedepend, ...12:53
\shwho is our xorg maintainer for edgy? when it's not daniel stone?12:54
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\shnew sync: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ayttm/+bug/51641 , mom report: http://merges.ubuntu.com/a/ayttm/REPORT12:56
UbugtuMalone bug 51641 in ayttm "sync ayttm 0.4.6+34-1 from debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 12:56
crimsundone.12:59
crimsunno idea about X.Org maintainership, though there is X-SWAT12:59
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crimsunout for coffee. hi bddebian.01:04
bddebianHi crimsun01:05
tseng\sh: please fix gajim in edgy01:08
bddebianHeya tseng01:08
tsenghi bddebian01:08
\shtseng: oh...what's wrong with it?01:08
tsengill pastebin01:08
tsengpysqlite01:08
tsenghttp://pastebin.ca/7736901:09
\shtseng: upstream says http://trac.gajim.org/ticket/186301:11
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tsengOpened 3 months ago Last modified 3 months ago01:13
tsengnot helpful?01:13
tsenghm but its closed01:14
\shI'll have a look...or at least a new version is coming out01:14
tsengit sounds like we need to change pysqlite versions01:14
\shGajim 0.10.1 is here! (06 June 2006)01:14
tsengwoo01:14
\shoh we have 0.10.101:15
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nixternalwell well well..how is everyone doing?01:34
\shgood good...back in action :)01:34
nixternalheya \sh...good to hear..i see you have been doing some packaging01:35
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\shnixternal: I'm practicing ;)01:35
nixternalme too01:35
nixternalim getting ready to do a new chroot on my other system here in a bit01:35
bddebianHeya nixternal01:36
nixternalheya bddebian01:37
nixternaljust got done piggin' out on some bbq01:37
nixternali need to get work done here, but i feel oh so tired now ;)01:37
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\shI'll do some merges until I have to go and shower and go back to karlsruhe ;)01:38
\shso at least until 3:30 german time which is 1:30 UTC ;)01:39
\shlistening to some old songs and dreaming about the past...the time when breezy was starting...oh man01:40
nixternalhehe01:40
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jsgotangcogood morning01:43
\shbddebian: check your query pls :)01:45
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Hobbseemorning all02:05
\shhey Hobbsee02:06
Hobbseehi \sh02:06
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\shsync to approve: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bluefish/+bug/51649 , mom report: http://merges.ubuntu.com/b/bluefish/REPORT02:31
UbugtuMalone bug 51649 in bluefish "sync bluefish 1.0.5-2 from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 02:31
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\shgrmpf02:33
\shwrong button02:33
\shsync to approve: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cal3d/+bug/51650, mom report: http://merges.ubuntu.com/c/cal3d/REPORT02:36
UbugtuMalone bug 51650 in cal3d "sync cal3d 0.10.0-7 from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 02:36
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\shsync to approve: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/chinput/+bug/51652 (mom report link inside)02:50
UbugtuMalone bug 51652 in chinput "[Egdy MOM]  sync chinput 3.0.2-17.1 from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 02:50
anibalcrimsun, I've sent email to you, nfs-utils 1:1.0.8-10ubuntu1 is ready02:51
\shmkdir: cannot create directory `/upstream': Permission denied02:57
\shExtracting upstream tarball ../clanlib_0.6.5.orig.tar.gz debian/scripts/source.unpack: line 18: /upstream/tarballs/clanlib_0.6.5.orig.tar.gz.log: No such file or directory02:57
\shfailed!02:57
\sh-EEVIL02:58
crimsunanibal: ok, looking.02:58
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crimsunanibal: looks good, thanks. I'll upload in ~30-40 mins after the new librpcsecgss is published.03:02
\shsync to approve: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/clutils/+bug/5165403:11
UbugtuMalone bug 51654 in clutils "sync clutils 20051029-4 from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 03:11
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\sheven when I didn't do much for dapper...my name is too many times on the list of merges ;)03:20
anibalcrimsun, thank you!03:20
\shcrimsun: ok..I think I've done for now .. the couple of packages on archive.linux-server.org needs to be uploaded...the rest are going to be synced..later today there are more packages to come03:27
crimsun\sh: ok, I'll look at archive.linux-server.org in a few moments03:27
\shcrimsun: thanks a lot :)03:27
crimsun\sh: np, thank you03:28
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bddebianSo, what have I missed? :-)03:55
tsengyou missed doing merges, get to work!03:56
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bddebianI'm trying but apparently I suck at that too :-(03:57
tsengI updated to edgy on the laptop earlier03:57
bddebianMy edgy install killed my server install :-(03:59
crimsunI located a spare sunblade 1000. hopefully I can get dapper on it.04:00
bddebianw00t04:00
bddebianI need to get a Sparc and an amd64 yet04:00
LaserJockbddebian: killed, as in ...?04:01
bddebianCan't install any more software..04:02
bddebianIt's weird actually04:02
bddebianShouldn't automake build-deps be versioned?04:22
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crimsunif necessary04:24
bddebianBut not necessary?04:25
crimsunno (see "if")04:25
bddebianHmm weird04:25
crimsunanibal: librpcsecgss needs to be NEWed (due to librpcsecgss2), so I'll upload in ~12 hours04:26
bddebianMan crimsun, you are an animal :-)04:27
crimsunbddebian: you should totally look at the merge for ivtools, it's /fun/04:28
bddebiancrimsun: Nah, YOU fixed that one last time :-)04:28
crimsunyou're the resident deity, so I defer to you04:28
bddebianOh yeah, look at all I have done.. :-(04:29
LaserJockbah, I spend more time trying to make tools to parse all the lists that come up04:31
LaserJockthan actually working on them04:31
bddebianDo I upload a package that I know requires a rebuild of a main package?04:31
crimsunwhich main package?04:32
bddebiandevhelp04:32
TheMusoHey MOTUs.04:32
bddebianHmm, actually I think it's a merge anway04:32
bddebianErr anyway even04:32
bddebianHeya TheMuso04:32
crimsunwhich needs what? :)04:32
crimsunhi TheMuso04:33
LaserJockhi TheMuso04:33
=== LaserJock still hasn't figured out sed
crimsunsed is fun fun fun til your daddy takes your shell aw...04:35
LaserJockI seem to do better with the regexp module in python04:36
tsengsed is about as simple as it gets04:36
LaserJockI can't seem to get sed to match just parts, it either spits out nothing or everything :/04:36
tsengsed doesnt match parts04:37
bddebiancrimsun: Actually I think it can be synced.  Daniel changed the dep from mozilla to firefox but now it uses xul04:37
tsengawk does04:37
LaserJocksed doesn't? hmmm04:37
tsengnormally, you would use sed to do find/replace and awk or cut to do "getting parts"04:38
LaserJockall I want to do is take the MoM output like:04:38
LaserJock<td><tt><a href="x/xbvl/REPORT">xbvl</a></tt></td>04:38
LaserJockand get out the package name, xbvl04:38
tseng$ echo "<td><tt><a href="x/xbvl/REPORT">xbvl</a></tt></td>" | cut -d\/ -f204:40
tsengworks in this case04:40
tsengless-than-elegant04:41
LaserJockwow, it works04:42
TheMusocrimsun: lol04:42
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\shcrimsun: thx :)04:45
\shok...I have to stop here...need to travel to karlsruhe...cu later when I'm in the office.04:46
bddebiancrimsun: What looks bad about ivtools?04:50
crimsunbddebian: dh_movefiles(1)04:50
bddebianOh, why the fsck are they doing that?04:52
bddebiancrimsun: Does that really affect us though if that is the way the Debian maintainers want to do it?04:54
crimsunbddebian: whether it's the way they want to do it doesn't change that it FTBFS in Edgy.04:55
LaserJockbecause of dh_movefiles?04:55
bddebianOH, I haven't tried to build it yet04:55
crimsunI only had time to take a cursory glance at its failure (note the binary changes, libiv1 et al.)04:55
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zakamehi all05:04
bddebianHeya zakame05:04
crimsunhi zak05:06
zakame3hi bddebian crimsun05:10
anibalcrimsun, ok05:12
LaserJockbah, bzr branching doesnt' seem to work for me for older branches05:12
LaserJockI wonder if it's a knit vs. weave thing05:12
bddebianKnit 1 pearl 2, knit 1 pearl 205:13
bddebianAh, it's trying to move files to package ivtools-dev that should be in libiv1?05:17
crimsunbddebian: perhaps, I didn't inspect debian/*.files05:18
bddebianThere is a debian bug on it but the maintainer says it's unreproduceable :-)05:19
imbrandoni think there is a packageing problem with the sun-java5-jre package05:19
imbrandonhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1706105:19
imbrandon^^ that suppose to happen  on ppc ?05:19
crimsunyes05:20
crimsunsun doesn't make ppc jdk/jre05:20
imbrandongah then why does it show in apt05:20
crimsunI advise ppc users to use ibm's jdk/jre05:20
imbrandongrumbles05:20
imbrandonok crimsun thanks05:21
imbrandonbut if there is not a _ppc.deb why would it show up in apt ?05:21
crimsunbecause jre is "all"05:22
bddebianAh yes:  ivtools-dev.files:  usr/lib/lib*.so05:22
bddebian    libiv1.files:  usr/lib/libIV.so.105:22
crimsunbddebian: see, we have a winner05:22
bddebianOh, hmm, no, that should be OK05:22
crimsundid you check debian/tmp/ ?05:23
crimsungah05:23
crimsunsilly capslock+shift05:23
bddebianNo not yet :-(05:23
crimsunimbrandon: note that sun-java5-jre is arch all, while sun-java5-bin is i386|amd6405:24
imbrandonyea i seen i found a solution just to build it, that works05:24
imbrandonsudo apt-get build-dep sun-java5-bin && sudo apt-get -b source sun-java5-bin05:24
imbrandon^^ works05:24
imbrandonon my ppc05:24
crimsunum...05:25
crimsunhow do you plan to get the actual java executable working?05:25
imbrandonwell it just does, i dont know why05:25
imbrandonlol05:25
crimsun``java -version''05:26
imbrandonk one sec05:26
imbrandonlemme let this other build to finish05:26
imbrandongot less than a min left05:26
LaserJockimbrandon: hi!05:27
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crimsunsun literally does not even offer ppc downloads for 1.5.0_0705:28
crimsunI would think they would if ppc were a supported platform05:28
LaserJockthat's wierd, there's still a lot of ppc boxen around05:28
crimsunin the meantime, try http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/download.html05:29
tsengnot that many running linux05:29
tsengin the scheme of things05:29
crimsunthe 32-bit iseries/pseries05:29
nate_I'm packaging something and it came with a debian directory in it initially, but from a previous version.  So I moved the directory out of the source and did my dh_make to generate the debian directory again.  I combined them as much as was sensible, but now I'm to the rules file.  I don't know whether to use the original rules file or the one that was just generated.  They're different...05:29
tsengpresumably the "original" works05:30
nate_any suggestions?05:30
nate_tseng, don't know05:30
tsengwas there something wrong with the packaging that prompted you to redo it?05:30
nate_tseng, it was for a previous version05:30
tsengwe don't repackage every version05:30
nate_tseng, and packaged by someone else, so I couldn't sign it05:30
LaserJockwhy didn't you just start with the previous version?05:30
nate_LaserJock, how do you mean?05:31
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nate_tseng, I'm using it05:31
tsengplease read it completely05:31
nate_tseng, thats the only way I got this far05:31
imbrandonhrm ok thanks crimsun05:31
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LaserJocknate_: if you have a new changelog entry you will be able to sign it05:31
tsengbecause you are missing alot of key parts05:31
LaserJockfowlduck: and you should be able to drop in the new .orig.tar.gz and tweak if necessary05:32
fowlduckLaserJock, so the way I'm going about it is messed up, mmkay05:32
crimsundon't reinvent the wheel unless you plan to take bug reports for it, too ;)05:33
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LaserJockyep, unncessary work unless they really messed with source between version05:35
fowlduckLaserJock, how do you start with the previous version?05:36
fowlduckLaserJock, as in just add an entry to the changelog and try building and signing it?05:36
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LaserJockfowlduck: sure05:36
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fowlduckLaserJock, mmkay, thanks05:36
LaserJockfowlduck: is it an Ubuntu package? if so just apt-get source <packagname> and start working05:37
fowlduckLaserJock, nope, not an ubuntu package.  And it only has one version that was packaged for debian05:37
fowlduckLaserJock, which was never added to a repot05:37
fowlduckrepos05:37
fowlduck*05:37
LaserJockok, well then s/apt-get source <packagename>/get the source package/ :-)05:38
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robanyone up reviewing a package for me?05:38
robI think I have everything covered now05:39
robguess not :)05:41
fowlduckmight be a good idea to add something about generating your GPG key in the packaging docs, unless I overlooked it05:43
crimsungenerating a key is outside the scope of the PG imnsho05:44
fowlduckwell, at least a link to how to do it05:44
LaserJockwell, I'm assuming it, but a link to some resource is possible05:44
robmaybe a link05:44
robyes :)05:44
LaserJockyou can just not sign it too and wait until you want to do something with it before being hit in the head with the "You need the package to be signed" :-)05:45
fowlduckVMWare server seems slower in windows than in linux....so much slower05:45
robfowlduck, thats good because I am about to set up a vmware server in Linux05:46
robfor Windows 2003 server05:46
fowlduckrob, what flavor of lin?05:46
robKubuntu05:47
robmight even set one up for edgy testing too :)05:47
fowlduckcool, setup isn't too rough on ubuntu, just gotta get that kernel headers directory for the config script05:48
robah, thanks for the heads up05:48
crimsunbddebian: are you crunching ivtools? If so I'll skip it05:49
bddebianGo ahead, I'm probably too stupid to fix it anyway05:53
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crimsunshush, or we'll assign all merges to you :P05:53
bddebianI'm going to do as many as I can but I'm failing so far05:53
crimsunyou're doing fine05:53
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nixternalbddebian: just know bud, if i could package and that stuff 100% i would help you out man ;)05:55
bddebiannixternal: Thx :-)05:56
nixternalnp man..any time05:56
LaserJocknixternal: oh, but we can teach you, mwuahahaha05:56
nixternalteach me..im all ears05:56
nixternali haven't packaged in about 8 years ;)05:56
bddebiannixternal: Yeah, watch out, LaserJock will start giving you MOTU Science packages! :-)05:56
LaserJockhelp.ubuntu.com ;-)05:56
LaserJockbddebian: shush05:56
=== nixternal printed it out
nixternal;)05:56
LaserJockbddebian: you can't be giving out my secret diabolical plans05:57
bddebianheh05:57
nixternaldon't worry bddebian, i have been dodging LaserJock and his doc ideas for months now ;)05:57
LaserJockheh05:57
nixternalalthough, i want that moinmoin2docbooks now!!!05:57
LaserJockmy next project is going to be a quite a bit tougher05:58
=== fowlduck printed it too
fowlduckit's nice, actually understand packaging better now05:58
fowlduckand how it works05:58
LaserJockyou guys should've gotten the lulu.com version ;-)05:59
fowlduckLaserJock, again, you, and your docs, rock05:59
LaserJockthe Ubuntu community rocks05:59
fowlduckright-on06:00
fowlduckfar out06:00
fowlduckgrooooooovy06:00
fowlduckok, i'll stop06:00
nixternalLaserJock: lulu.com couldn't get here fast enough06:00
LaserJockhehe06:00
fowlduckLaserJock, who does purchases from lulu.com benefit?06:00
LaserJockI got the very first lulu.com test book, it was the packaging guide06:01
LaserJockfowlduck: you06:01
fowlduckLaserJock, I mean the money, who does it go to?06:01
imbrandonIE where does the $$ go06:01
LaserJockum, you06:01
crimsunubuntu does not make a profit on it.06:01
LaserJockyou only pay the cost of printing+shipping, there is no royalty or fee06:01
crimsunjordan does not make a profit on it.06:01
LaserJocknot even from lulu.com06:01
imbrandonahh06:02
fowlduckwow, nice06:02
LaserJockthat's one of the main reasons we went with lulu.com, if you waive your royalty then they waive their cut too06:02
fowlduckniiiice06:03
LaserJockso it's about $6 USD for any of the "offical" docs06:03
LaserJockwe even have all the translations (the complteted ones anyway)06:04
fowlduckjust browsing the server docs too so I can see if it's worth getting as well06:04
LaserJockso you can get the packaging guide in korean and swedish too ;-)06:04
fowlduckgreat, so I can stare at the funny characters for hours on end06:05
bddebianheh06:05
LaserJockyeah, it was really weird to see the korean version for the first time06:05
LaserJockI was like, "I wrote that?"06:05
fowlduckis their writing vertical?06:05
fowlduckor is that mandarin?06:06
fowlduckugh, i forget06:06
LaserJockhmm, I can't remember. I think it's horizontal06:06
crimsunbidi? Yes, traditional is.06:06
fowlducksure06:06
fowlduckyeah06:06
fowlduckwhere are logs for pbuilder builds stored?  mine failed, and miserably so06:12
roblulu rocks06:12
robI'm glad the packaging guide was included too06:13
fowlduckyep06:14
fowlduckso anyone know?06:14
crimsunfowlduck: they aren't unless you use --logfile06:14
fowlduckcrimsun, ahh, ok thanks06:14
LaserJockrob: yeah, it was kinda neat. Hopefully people get use from it06:14
fowlduckcrimsun, and where is it stored?06:16
crimsunfowlduck: wherever you tell it to be06:16
fowlduckcrimsun, hrm, oops06:16
fowlduckcrimsun, many thanks06:17
bddebiancrimsun: So, do you plan on doing EVERY merge yourself? :)06:20
crimsunI've only touched a few06:24
bddebianWell your name is freakin' everywhere in edgy-changes :-)06:25
fowlduckawesome, I think this just might package06:26
jsgotangcohehehe06:28
jsgotangcowelcome our new mom overlord06:28
fowlduck???06:28
LaserJockjsgotangco: into overlords these days06:29
LaserJock?06:29
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fowlduckheh, it finished the pbuilder build, but the package isn't there....i think....06:32
crimsunlook in the result directory06:33
fowlduckhmm, yeh06:33
jsgotangcoLaserJock: so do you want to be one?06:33
LaserJockof course ;-)06:34
LaserJockjsgotangco shall be overlord of overlords06:34
LaserJockthe one to rule them all ;-)06:34
bluefoxicyfriggin' sweet06:35
bluefoxicyPeter just got some numbers on LZMA compression06:35
jsgotangcothere is no mount doom06:35
bddebianhehe06:35
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bddebianTime for this old man to go to bed.  Gnight folks06:36
bluefoxicyLet's see if I can get him working on SquashFS2 ... based on these numbers, should be able to fit around 3017 megs of data on a 700MiB CD (theoretical maximum); at the very least, 225006:37
LaserJockwhat is it currently?06:38
imbrandon2.1 gig i think06:38
bluefoxicymmm... and a dapper livecd should turn into something 417 megs wide (I'm assuming the decompressed dapper FS is 1800 megs)06:38
fowlduckso a dsc file is a debian source file?06:39
Lathiatfowlduck: its a description of a source set06:40
fowlduckLathiat, heh, okie06:40
Lathiatopen it in a text editor06:40
Lathiatand you'll see06:40
fowlduckso I should use the sources.build file and dpkg to build the binary package?  I'm confused, I followed the packaging guide, and this is probably the problem I was expecting a deb file06:43
imbrandonfowlduck: what was the last command you ran ?06:45
fowlduckimbrandon, sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc --logfile pbuilder.log06:45
imbrandondid you check your results dir for the deb ? ;)06:46
imbrandonbrb afk06:46
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crimsunfowlduck: you need to be precise with pbuilder options06:47
crimsunfowlduck: unlike most GNU apps, order of parameters is /very/ important06:47
LaserJockfowlduck: yeah, the .deb is in the pbuilder result folder, most likely /var/cache/pbuilder/result or so such06:47
crimsunfowlduck: in this case, you need to use pbuilder build --logfile pbuilder.log foo.dsc06:47
fowlduckLaserJock, ohhh, ok06:47
crimsunfowlduck: when in doubt, always check the man page for the order you need to use given the operation06:48
fowlduckLaserJock, yay! :)06:48
fowlduckLaserJock, thanks06:48
fowlduckcrimsun, I wasn't aware of what the result directory was, I thought it was one directory up from the source06:49
crimsunfowlduck: it's configured either in an rc file [/etc/pbuilderrc or ~/.pbuilderrc]  or in the script [e.g., /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh] 06:49
imbrandonfowlduck: with debuild it is but not pbuilder06:49
imbrandonyea what crimsun said ;)06:50
fowlduckahhh, ok, thanks again everyone :)06:50
fowlduckcrimsun, danke06:50
fowlduckLaserJock, danke06:50
fowlduckimbrandon, danke06:50
crimsunnp/bitte/[insert] 06:51
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fowlduck<celebration>yay it works so well YAY! YAY! </celebration>07:01
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damnedmorning all08:05
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nixternal_morning damned08:06
highvoltagehey damned08:09
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antinobodyhola todos09:18
antinobodyraphink:  poke09:20
antinobodyraphink: the merges for agistudio and arson should be on REVU, assuming I didn't screw them up09:20
antinobodyraphink: and I thought I'd bug you, out of everyone I could bug, so you should feel special09:21
antinobodyassuming you're available to be bugged, which could be a false assumption09:21
antinobodyraphink: the links are http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2513 for agistudio and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2514 for arson, again, assuming you're here and not busy09:22
raphinkhi antinobody09:22
antinobodyhi raphink09:22
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raphinkwell i'm at work now ;)09:23
antinobodyahh09:23
raphinksome kind of a monday morning today I guess ;)09:23
raphinkbut maybe later i'll have some time09:23
antinobodyin that case, I'll bug someone else09:23
antinobodyany suggestions?09:23
raphinkwhoever has review rights and is available I guess ;)09:23
antinobodyany MOTU I assume would have review rights?09:24
raphinkshould have09:24
raphinkif he asked to get them09:24
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antinobodygracas09:24
raphinkREVU is not synchronized with LP yet09:24
raphinkso it's not automatic09:24
raphinkbut most of them do have review rights09:24
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Yagisanre09:25
raphinkre09:26
antinobodywhat is this re?09:26
Yagisanreturn09:26
antinobodyI see09:26
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antinobodyajmitch:  How dare you abandon this poor Yagisan!  Hobbsee I believe has disappeared09:27
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antinobodywhat did you need the for?09:28
antinobodyI'm 99.9% useless, but who knows, you might be lucky, and I'll know what you're talking about Yagisan09:28
Yagisanantinobody: ajmitch and Hobbsee don't appear to be home yet.09:29
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antinobodyI see...09:30
antinobodyYagisan: what did you need their help with?09:30
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Yagisanantinobody: not much. I went to the toilet, and they caught the train home before I got out. I was only there for 5 minutes09:31
Yagisanleft all alone09:32
antinobodywell, trains tend to not wait for people.  I should know, I've been abandoned many a time by their cruelty.09:32
Yagisanyes, but they never come on time here, the timetable is just for show!09:33
antinobodyIt's like a guideline, be there at least 30 minutes before, and be prepared to stay at least an hour or more after the time table says09:34
Yagisanheh09:34
Yagisanand the ticket cost went up today because of "improved" service09:35
Yagisanless trains, not on time, and cost more. hooray.09:35
antinobodynice, our cost always goes up because we pissed off every oil producing country in the world (except Canada, but we're TRYING so hard I give us credit for that one too)09:36
antinobodyand we don't believe in taxing gasoline enough to get people to use less of it.  We are economic geniuses here.09:37
antinobodycrimsun: poke, poke09:39
antinobodycrimsun: poking was Hobbsee's prescribed method of attention getting09:39
crimsunantinobody: I'm in a phone conf atm, hang 10 mins09:40
antinobodyest bien09:40
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antinobodycrimsun: If you pop in while I'm not here, I'll be back on in a second09:52
dholbachgood morning motu world09:52
antinobodymorning dholbach09:52
tsenghi dholbach10:02
tsengi owe you 5 euros10:02
dholbachheya tseng!10:02
dholbachtseng: you owe me nothing :)10:02
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tsengdid you listen to lugradio day 1?10:03
tsengyou are the star10:03
dholbachhm?10:04
dholbachlugradio day 1? why am i a star?10:04
tsengbecause Jono loves you10:04
tsengand goes on about it for 5 minutes10:04
tsengway cool10:04
dholbachwow10:05
dholbachI need to find that10:05
tsenghttp://lugradio.org/episodes/5410:05
dholbachgracias!10:06
tsengnp10:07
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antinobodyhello10:16
antinobodydholbach hey again10:17
dholbachhey antinobody10:17
dholbachtseng: thanks :)))10:17
tsengdholbach: *hugs*10:17
tsengyou rock10:17
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antinobodydholbach: the agistudio and arson merges should be on REVU, assuming I didn't botch them.  I'll give you the links if you like.10:18
antinobodyDo you know the format for the "merge bug reports"10:18
tsengvery simple10:18
dholbachantinobody: I'm quite busy with gnome atm - I'd be happy if you asked somebody else.10:18
tsengassign to the package10:19
dholbach(if that's no problem)10:19
tsengsay10:19
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tsengPlease sync foo (1.2.3)10:19
phanaticmorning10:19
tsengPlease sync foo (1.2.3) from debian unstable, thanks!10:19
dholbachor use pitti's requestsync script10:19
tsengsubscribe ubuntu-archive10:19
antinobodyof course dholbach10:19
tsengleave unassigned10:19
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tsengwhere is NEW on launchpad?10:46
StevenKBinary or source?10:46
tsengbinary10:46
StevenKAnd I don't think it is.10:46
StevenKtseng: Bug ubuntu-archive10:46
tsengit is somewhere on web now10:46
tsengat least source10:46
StevenKNews to me ... ;-)10:46
tsengyeah10:46
tsengbut naturally if you didnt memorize/bookmark the url10:47
tsengthere is no chance of navigating to it10:47
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tsengactually wow10:48
tsengI found it10:48
tsenghttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue10:48
tsengand there it is10:48
antinobodycrimsun: don't worry about my question from earlier, I've got to get to sleep, I'll have to figure out this merge-o-matic stuff later10:48
crimsunantinobody: ok, try and catch someone later10:49
jsgotangcocrimsun: do you ever sleep? :)10:50
crimsunjsgotangco: no.10:52
jsgotangco:D10:52
crimsunthank goodness for this dual opteron pbuilder10:52
pygijsgotangco, how can you even ask such a question when you know the answer :P10:53
jsgotangcopygi: because he's been a merging machine all day :)10:53
pygijsgotangco, and night, don't forget the night :P10:54
crimsunah good, fixed a typo in my presentation.11:00
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andi5hi. what is necessary for a universe package to get updated in dapper? there is a big app missing translations... (what did LTS mean? ;-)) .. thanks in advance11:36
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crimsunwhich big app? is it only missing translations?11:37
andi5crimsun: seems so... gnucash, bug 4553311:37
UbugtuMalone bug 45533 in gnucash "gnucash translations are missing" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4553311:37
crimsunandi5: do you have a fix? we're pretty busy atm11:41
andi5crimsun: packages i have built have never left my computer.... what do i have to do? find a fix or build a package?11:41
\shprovide a patch11:42
andi5ok, will try that.... last question: i remember having seen build logs, but now i cannot find them (source package maintainer page or such11:43
andi5when i succeed, i will attach that to launchpad and hope? (fine with me)11:43
crimsunyes, attach the debdiff as an attachment to that bug11:45
crimsunbuild logs can be accessed from the source package11:45
crimsunhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/gnucash/1.8.12-6ubuntu3  right column11:45
andi5crimsun: thanks!!! i was looking at the page with the ubuntu logo above (packages.ubuntu.com), as i was used after running debian... is that malone? can i drop that completely?11:47
crimsunandi5: you'll want to get to know Launchpad11:48
andi5crimsun: yeah, seems like it is more than i expected :) thanks a lot11:48
crimsunnp11:49
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Hobbseehi all12:21
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Hobbseehi all12:21
ajmitchhello again12:21
Hobbseeah, it did work12:21
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StevenKOw!12:23
ajmitchsettle down, you two12:23
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Yagisanand ajmitch12:23
Hobbseeyou'll cope12:23
Hobbseepoor Yagisan :p12:23
Hobbseewe thought you'd run away from us!12:23
ajmitchYagisan: our humblest apologies12:23
Yagisanhah12:23
StevenKI'm just waiting for someone to say, 'Get a room', which can be arranged.12:23
YagisanI did say I was going to change a nappy. Should have said, it may take a while12:24
Yagisanajmitch, Hobbsee so where did you go after leaving me ?12:25
Hobbseeexcuses excuses :P12:25
ajmitchYagisan: caught a train back to the car, and then went & visited some fellow12:26
HobbseeYagisan: this fellow is very strange.12:27
Yagisanmust be StevenK12:27
Yagisanhe's a bit odd12:27
Yagisan;)12:27
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ajmitchwe know better than to comment on that one12:28
StevenKYagisan: I do know where you live, you know...12:28
HobbseeYagisan: sure, we should have brought you with us12:28
Hobbseeguess we'd run out of powerpoints though12:28
YagisanStevenK: and I could use a cook, cleaner and babysitter. How thoughtful of you. Just a sec, I'll tell the wife - we can go on the first date in over 3 years :)12:29
StevenKYagisan: You'll be glad to know I'm not any of those things.12:29
YagisanHobbsee: not to worry, I don't have a laptop12:29
StevenKBut by all means, do go out.12:29
HobbseeStevenK: yeah, you'd kill off any kids you babysat, i'm sure.12:30
StevenKThat's a feature.12:30
Hobbseei'm sure their parents think so too12:30
StevenKFor them its probably a Severity: critical bug.12:30
YagisanHobbsee: I think hime could take on StevenK any day. I'm sure she'd win too.12:31
Yagisanhe'd run screaming from the room - "no kids, no kids, no kids, argh ..."12:31
Yagisanso, did I miss any StevenK, Hobbsee jumping action ?12:32
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StevenKHobbsee hasn't kicked me. :-/12:33
YagisanStevenK: oh, you didn't ask her for her photos then12:33
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Yagisanshe's back!12:34
ograhaha12:34
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ajmitchheh12:34
Hobbseeunfortunately i lagged out.  i'm sure i didnt want to know what was said.12:35
StevenK[20:34]  * Yagisan treasures his kick from Hobbsee12:35
StevenK[20:34]  < StevenK> Hobbsee hasn't kicked me. :-/12:35
ajmitchit wasn't important12:35
Hobbseeah right12:35
StevenKWe were sure not to have any earth-shattering conversions while you were lagged out.12:36
Hobbseeoh good12:36
HobbseeStevenK: but do you deserve the kicking though?12:36
YagisanHobbsee: he wants to be cool like me and say Hobbsee kicked him :-P12:36
StevenKUh huh. How many bad jokes have I told?12:36
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StevenKNow you're twice as bad-ass.12:37
YagisanStevenK: It's A-R-S-E. ok, A-R-S-E. ;)12:38
StevenKOkay, so you're twice the arse, then.12:40
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Yagisannice.12:41
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StevenKMission accomplished.12:42
StevenKBut you know I love oyu.12:42
StevenKs/oyu/you/12:43
StevenKI just wish you'd return my 2am phone calls.12:43
YagisanStevenK: well, it you turned on caller id it would help. there are so many calls, I can easily get you mixed up with my other admirers :-P12:44
StevenKYou bastard! You said I was the only one!12:45
Hobbseei think he lied...12:45
StevenKNo shit, sherlock.12:46
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Hobbseeseeing as i cant really be captain obvious12:46
StevenKSure you can.12:47
YagisanYeah, I lied. I mean, didn't you see my business card, my job - it's kinda obvious.12:47
StevenKA Captain is not just a job for males.12:47
Yagisanso, how was my geek-in-training today ?12:54
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kelmomoin01:05
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kelmohi siretart01:08
siretartheyho kelmo01:10
kelmosiretart: two things i just wanted to talk about01:17
kelmosiretart: 1) maybe flush the interface before "ifconfig $iface up", to avoid interference and possibly stop it from being in up operstate01:18
kelmosiretart: rather than after the ifconfig call01:18
kelmosiretart: 2) calling wpa_cli reconfigure manually ignores the WPA_CTRL_DIR in the case where it is not default to /var/run/wpa_supplicant01:19
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kelmosiretart: maybe a HUP signal to wpa_supplicant in this case would be better01:21
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siretartkelmo: ah, I didn't know that the wpa_supplicant respects SIGHUP.01:25
siretartkelmo: thats of course better. will change01:26
kelmosiretart: wpa_supplicant.conf(5)01:26
siretartok01:26
siretartabout the flush, ok, lets move it in front01:27
kelmowell, i am no big fan of it, i do not fully see Felix's point about flushing the ip01:27
siretarthm. now felix rises the (valid) point of a flaky connection, and proposes an timeout..01:27
kelmothat is not a good idea . . .01:27
siretartif the connection is flaky, a new lease will be there soon, so well01:28
siretartif the connection is away, why keep the 'now invalid' ip adress?01:28
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kelmoit is standard ifupdown behaviour, if we want to flush also, that is okay, but i am simply not a big fan of it01:29
kelmoit introduces another piece to the puzzle01:29
siretartwhat could break?01:31
siretartbut I see the point that in the case of a flaky internet connection, it might be annoying01:32
kelmojust put it before ifconfig up, and I am fine with it ;-)01:32
siretartok will do01:33
kelmosiretart: my concern is in the unknown, that is all01:34
kelmosiretart: i don't see fluching the interface as absolutely neccessity for the purpose of the scheme, therefore i've not thoroughly tested it01:35
siretartthen let's test it ;)01:37
kelmosiretart: and watch out for the change to 00list ;-)01:38
\shhmmm...how can I give dpkg-reconfigure some values he should use by default?01:39
\shlike -y ;)01:39
siretartdamn01:40
kelmosiretart: and HUP to wpa_supplicant, not wpa_cli01:41
siretartargl. I should work on wpa_supplicant at work01:42
siretartcommitted01:43
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cypheris dchroot and dpkg-deb enough to build a package ?01:46
cypheror is dpkg-deb is enough ?01:46
siretartcypher: I recommend schroot over dchroot01:47
siretartcypher: for packaging, install dpkg-dev, devscripts, build-essential01:47
siretartoh, devscripts depends on dpkg-dev01:47
cyphersiretart, do i really will be needing a minimal ubuntu installation on the chroot environment ?01:48
siretartcypher: depends on what you want to package. your question is very generic..01:50
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kelmosiretart: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Dbdrhp57.html02:00
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siretartkelmo: oh. ok, commit straight away02:01
siretartkelmo: thanks02:01
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siretartkelmo: I don't think we need to mimic every detail of ifupdown. we are in a roaming scenario here anyway after all02:21
kelmosiretart: hey, i agree, but approach this with caution02:22
kelmoone could argue that fluching on down when roaming would be a good thing, because we may be connecting to a new network next time02:23
kelmos/fluching/flushing/02:23
kelmobut i think flushing the iface may make unexpected disconnections on dhcp net's cause next reconnect to be longer, i don't know02:24
kelmojust as an example02:25
siretartkelmo: right. I'm aware of this, but we only know this if we test it02:26
siretartkelmo: I tested it here, and didn't notice the dhcp request to take longer02:26
kelmosiretart: sure, my main concern was the placement of the flush ;-)02:27
kelmomy secondary concerns are just random thoughts02:27
kelmo+ unfounded02:27
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siretartperhaps unfounded02:32
siretartwill keep an eye on this02:32
siretartkelmo: but I'm happy that ppl like lukas are actually testing the new package02:32
siretartkelmo: so I'm quite confident now that we can close the pseudo bug in debian/changelog for the next upload02:33
siretarts/lukas/felix02:33
kelmosiretart: lukas? (or Felix?)02:33
kelmoah, k02:33
siretartfelix of course. (why did I write lukas?)02:33
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kelmosiretart: i really liked his HUP idea02:34
siretart:)02:34
kelmosiretart: thats why i thought i'd make contact again with him, he has some good perspective as a user02:35
siretartkelmo: that was a good idea.02:35
kelmosiretart: well, add the appropriate closes: to the changelog when you are ready02:36
siretartto have a clean upgrade path for configuration of sarge users would be of course fine, but I'm sceptic about that as well02:36
siretartok. will do so tomorrow or so02:36
kelmoyep, no big rush02:36
kelmoupgrade path I believe is up to the documentation to assist the user02:37
kelmonot much more in this case02:37
ograwho did windowlab merge ?02:38
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AnAntlionelp: I saw a comment of yours on the elinks package I uploaded02:52
lionelpyes02:53
AnAntlionelp: well, the difference (now) is that I compiled it with some features02:53
AnAntlionelp: as Javascript, and so02:53
AnAntlionelp: that's for the full elinks variant, the elinks-lite variant is left as is02:53
AnAntlionelp: note, that the changes I made since yesterday are based on the package that is in Edgy02:54
AnAntlionelp: the changes are mentioned in the changelog actually02:55
lionelp2s02:56
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AnAnthuh?02:57
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lionelpAnAnt: I was buzzy03:01
lionelpI saw your modifcations yes03:01
lionelp(i have a look in changelog)03:01
AnAntbusy03:02
AnAntok03:02
lionelpyes, sorry :)03:02
AnAntso , any questions ?03:03
lionelpno questions for me03:03
AnAntok03:04
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kelmosiretart: ip seems to have nothing to flush much here anyway, when roaming between points03:12
kelmosiretart: just makes a bit more noise, is all03:12
kelmosiretart: so far, its all good03:13
siretartkelmo: then it cannot harm, no?03:13
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kelmosiretart: *most likely* not, but i still am no big fan ;-)03:14
siretart;)03:15
kelmosiretart: HUP signal works nicely too03:15
siretart:)03:15
kelmosiretart: well, i'll bugger off and stop harrassing you now, and remember: no hacking on stuff while at work! ;-)03:16
siretartkelmo: ok. I will remember that :)03:17
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lingoI'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but how and where do I request that certain packages be taken out of the Universe and put into the "main" section?03:20
DanielCHow do I get my GPG key added to the REVU keyring? It's already in launchpad. Do I need to do anything else?03:21
siretartDanielC: did you join the group 'ubuntu-universe-contributers'?03:24
DanielCI'm trying to go through the process of uploading a new .deb to REVU.03:24
DanielCsiretart: yes, abut 40 second ago...03:24
siretartI need to run a script03:25
DanielCOk, thanks.03:25
DanielCsiretart: My launchpad home page says "approved". Does that mean I can move on to the next step on the REVU guide?03:30
siretartDanielC: your key should be im ported now03:30
siretartimported, even03:30
DanielCGreat, thanks.03:30
DanielCNow I should get an email with my password encrypted...03:31
DanielCHmmm... the instructions seem to imply that *first* I upload a package and then the password is generated. But that doesn't make sense...03:31
Seveasanyone available for a merge question?03:31
siretartDanielC: no. you won't get mail. your account will be created on initial upload03:32
DanielCsiretart: ok03:32
siretartDanielC: use the lost password link to recover it after first upload03:32
DanielCOk... seems like an odd way of doing things... ;-)03:32
kelmosiretart: curious, have you an interest in hostapd much at all?03:36
siretartkelmo: it is on my list to play with, but I didn't have time for that. and I honestly don't think I will do have time soon03:38
siretartkelmo: but for the sake of consistency, I'd be happy if hostap and wpasupplicant could be maintained in the same team03:39
kelmosiretart: oh, its already been long maintained by paravoid03:39
kelmosiretart: but i have recently had an urge to send patches to its packaging, i use it alot03:39
kelmosiretart: one thing i was pondering was an alternative way to start it, instead of its init script (probably similar to wpasupplicant's ifupdown.sh)03:40
siretartkelmo: do you think paravoid is interested in joining pkg-wpa?03:41
kelmosiretart: i would not know, i guess he may though ;-)03:42
DanielCI'm having trouble uploading with dput. The first time I ran it it seemed to hang, so I pressed Ctrl+C. Then I tried again with the -P option, but it said that there's a file by that name already.03:47
DanielCThat file is surely corrupt because I cancelled it.03:47
DanielCSo I'm trying to remove it with dcut, but I can't figure out the correct command.03:47
kelmosiretart: interestingly, half a sentnce disappears from the wpa_supplicant.conf manapge03:49
kelmosiretart: right about the section that explains the HUP signal and reloading the conffile ;-)03:49
DanielCCould someone help me get a .deb package in Revu?03:50
DanielCHow can I use dcut to remove files?03:53
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DanielCIs it really that hard to remove a file with dcut that nobody knows how to do it?03:58
DanielCSomeone must have removed a file with dcut before...03:58
siretartDanielC: better ping a revu admin to clear the revu-incoming dir03:59
DanielCOk.03:59
DanielCAny idea where I can find a revu admin?03:59
siretartDanielC: done03:59
DanielCOh, thanks.03:59
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DanielCOk, I guess I'll try dput again and not hit Ctrl+C this time...04:00
siretartDanielC: and make sure you upload a *_source.changes file, and not a i386.changes one04:02
DanielCOk. yes, I'm doing that...04:02
DanielCIt's taking an awfully long time though...04:02
DanielCThanks for the help btw.04:02
DanielCOh, there it goes... :)04:03
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DanielCRevu doesn't like me :(  The "recover password" link gives me blank text.04:26
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DanielCOn Revu the lostpw.py script is broken. Some times it dies and you get a "Traceback" error.04:36
fbondDanielC, I have already notified siretart, the admin04:38
DanielCOk, thanks.04:39
fbondif you need your password recovered manually, email siretart04:39
DanielCI'm uploading the error to pastebin in case it helps... (pastebin is being slow though...)04:39
siretartyou can always request a password change via email04:40
DanielCsiretart: Could you send the password for daniel.carrera@zmsl.com ?04:40
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Toadstoolhi everybody04:48
DanielCsiretart: Is there anything I need to do to get a password via email?04:48
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siretartDanielC: there is no password for daniel.carrera@zmsl.com04:50
DanielC:-(04:50
siretartyou need to get a package accepted with that email first04:50
DanielCThat's bad.04:50
DanielCBy "accepted" do you mean "into universe"?04:51
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siretartno, in revu04:51
siretartDanielC: did you say you already joined 'ubuntu-universe-contributers'?04:51
siretartDanielC: whats your launchpad id?04:52
DanielCsiretart: yes, and my launchpad page says it's approved.04:52
DanielChttps://launchpad.net/people/daniel-carrera04:52
DanielCHow do I find my lauchpad id?04:52
siretartinteresting04:52
siretartyour id is daniel-carrera04:52
DanielCah, thanks.04:52
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Hobbseehi all05:03
Toadstoolhey Hobbsee05:03
Hobbsee:) there is someone here05:03
Yagisanwb Hobbsee05:05
Hobbseehi again Yagisan05:05
Yagisannice to see I'm not the only one still up05:05
HobbseeYagisan: no, no, i just got home05:06
Toadstoolit's 5pm here :)05:06
HobbseeYagisan: and i'm going to get fried when mum wakes up again05:06
HobbseeToadstool: heh05:06
Hobbseeparis?05:07
Toadstoolnope, but France05:07
Hobbseeah05:07
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YagisanHobbsee: I'm just getting around to signing ajmitch's key now05:07
Toadstoolsomewhere in the south of France, and i'm about to go to the beach 'cause it's far too hot to stay in front of my computer :)05:08
HobbseeYagisan: nice, pity you cant sign mine too05:08
YagisanHobbsee: bring your fingerprint next time we meet05:08
HobbseeYagisan: yeah, i should find that.  StevenK signed it tonight, or will do.05:08
YagisanHobbsee: I've already seen your id, which is good05:09
Hobbseetrue05:09
Hobbseei've had to show my drivers licence more than i've ever had to before - it's kinda weird05:09
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siretartDanielC: ok, retry recovering. user account has been created now05:29
DanielCOk, thanks.05:29
DanielCYay!05:30
DanielCsiretart: Thanks!05:30
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Sp4rKyhi05:38
Sp4rKymy package devede has been rejected because it doesn't seem follow the debian python policy, but i've read that and i don't understand what's wrong05:39
bmonty_awaySp4rKy: is it on REVU?05:43
Sp4rKyyes05:44
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bmontySp4rKy: the only devede package I see says it was uploaded05:45
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Sp4rKysorry05:52
Sp4rKynetwork issue05:52
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Sp4rKydoes anyone could check devede package because it has been advocatined 2 times but keybuk said it's bad ...06:05
DanielCIs  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates  deprecated?06:11
HobbseeDanielC: possibly, just check for whatever you're looking for - if it's already in one of the places like debian, ubuntu, etc06:13
Hobbseerevu06:13
DanielCOk.06:13
DanielCI noticed that XaraXtreme was there...06:13
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DanielCNew question: On Revu, what do those pictures under "status" mean?06:14
DanielCI can't find any legend.06:14
Hobbseethere are pictures under status?  click on the icons, and see if they've been accepted06:15
DanielCThey're not clickable.06:15
DanielCThere is a light bulb, and a hammer and a heart.06:15
DanielChttp://revu.tauware.de/06:15
DanielCBut there's no explanation of what that means.06:15
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apacheloggersiretart: ping06:19
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siretarthello apachelogger06:21
apacheloggerheya06:24
Hobbsee[02:18]  <apachelogger> http://paste.bit-freaks.net/1106:24
Hobbseefor reference06:24
apacheloggeraye, thanks :)06:24
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Tonio_hi06:27
apacheloggersiretart: any idea what to do?06:29
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siretartapachelogger: your upload has been rejected because your key is not in the revu keyring06:32
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apacheloggerOo06:32
apacheloggerhow so?06:32
siretartapachelogger: no need to upload it a 2nd time06:32
tsengdholbach:      - debian/control.in, debian/rules: build with Firefox instead of xulrunner06:33
tseng       *whine*06:33
tsengwhats this?06:33
siretartapachelogger: what is your lp id, are you member of the group 'ubuntu-universe-contributors'?06:33
dholbachtseng: debian builds with xulrunner06:33
tsengright?06:33
dholbachtseng: we build with firefox06:33
tsengi would love to build with xulrunner06:33
dholbachtseng: talk to iwj06:33
apacheloggersiretart: apachelogger, I'm member of the team, since about an hour or two06:33
dholbachtseng: we need a firefox which can build with xulrunner (and doesn't ship the same source twice) in main06:33
tsengmoo06:34
siretartapachelogger: aha06:34
ograwell, we nedd xulrunner06:34
ogra*need06:34
tsengtotally.06:34
tsengbut we needed it 3 years ago, too06:34
ograedubuntu is f*cked if we dont get it in anyhow06:35
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DanielCogra: Why is xulrunner so important?06:36
ograDanielC, space, switch to epiphany ...06:36
DanielCok06:36
ograsabayon and pessulus dont work with firefox ...06:37
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ograwell it recently had its first public release, give it some time :)06:37
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tsengthe problem is that firefox has a UI06:37
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tsengand it has gecko06:37
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ograyeah06:37
tsenghalf the world wants to link against gecko06:38
tsengright now you suck in the latest UI version06:38
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ograin ubuntu actually half the world even does06:38
tsengseriously.06:38
tsengdbus or firefox, take your pick06:38
tsengyou are standing on a pile of crack06:38
ograyeah06:38
tseng:D06:38
ograheh06:38
siretartapachelogger: processed manually06:39
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apacheloggersiretart: thanks a lot, bye06:39
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fowlduckhallo, good afternoon and all that07:23
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fowlduckdoes the dirs file have to include the directory the docs are installed into as well?08:51
crimsundepends. Do you create it in rules?08:53
crimsunand what types of docs are you referring to?08:53
fowlduckman pages08:54
fowlducki haven't messed witht he rules yet, there is not install in the app's makefile, so it has to be installed by me08:55
crimsunas long as dh_installdirs is called in rules prior to dh_*man*, yes08:56
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Sp4rKypleaase ....09:37
Sp4rKyhow could i do when a needed library doesn't exists in default repositories ?09:37
Sp4rKypbuilder says "-> Cannot install foo-dev; apt errors follow:09:38
Sp4rKyReading package lists... Done09:38
Sp4rKyBuilding dependency tree... Done09:38
Sp4rKyE: Couldn't find package foo-dev09:38
Sp4rKy"09:38
Sp4rKywhereas foo-dev exists in custom repository09:38
crimsunfoo-dev is the actual name?09:39
Sp4rKyyes09:39
Sp4rKyeuh09:39
Sp4rKyno09:39
Sp4rKythe real name is libeet0-dev09:39
crimsundo you plan to have libeet in Ubuntu?09:40
crimsunor are you just asking for pbuilder assistance?09:40
Sp4rKylibeet is a part of enlightenement09:40
Sp4rKydo i need set the "OTHERMIRROR" directive ?09:40
crimsunif you're just doing packages for yourself, sure09:40
crimsunif you want E17 in Ubuntu, you need to do the leg work and get libeet into Ubuntu09:41
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Sp4rKythe issue is CVS version provide a debian/ repositories09:42
Sp4rKyso how could i do if i want package them for ubuntu ?09:42
DanielCI need to upload a new version of my .deb to revu. I'm replacing the version -1 by -0ubuntu1. My question is: If I run `dput *source.changes` will it figure out that this is a new upload of the same package I uploaded earlier?09:45
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Sp4rKywhen i add OTHERMIRROR="http://localhost/ dapper main" , it doesn't work whereas my repository works fine , what's wrong ?09:48
DanielCAnd what does the -as option to debuild do? I can't find these options on the man page.09:48
Sp4rKymaybe -sa no ?09:48
DanielCok09:49
DanielCWhat's -sa?09:49
tsengsign all09:49
DanielCOk. So debuild normally doesn't sign everything?09:49
DanielCIt asks for my passphrase twice even without the -sa09:50
imbrandonand -1 should be -1ubuntu1 not -0ubuntu109:50
Laser_awayit means it will include the .orig.tar.gz09:50
DanielCah, thanks09:50
Laser_awayno, it really is -0ubuntu109:50
imbrandonwho added the -1 debian ?09:50
fowlduckLaser_away, not so away, are we?09:50
DanielCimbrandon: This is a brand new package, it's not in Debian.09:51
Laser_awayfowlduck: well, I'm trying09:51
imbrandonahh ok yea -0ubtunu1 then09:51
Sp4rKyplease how do i set the OTHERMIRROR directive ?09:51
DanielCI assume that the -0 mans "not in debian" :)09:51
imbrandonyea but dont hcange the upsteam version number if its -1 already09:52
imbrandonwhom added the -109:52
Laser_awaySp4rKy: do it just as you do in sources.list09:52
Laser_awayi.e. deb http://....09:52
DanielCimbrandon: Me. I uploaded it to revu a few hours ago. It's my first package. I'm a noob :)09:52
imbrandonohh ;)09:52
Sp4rKyLaser_away, i've a personnal repository in my own sources.list09:52
Sp4rKyLaser_away, but does pbuilder use my custom sources.list ?09:53
DanielCimbrandon: So is it safe to change it to -0ubuntu1 and upload again?09:53
Laser_awaySp4rKy: no09:53
Sp4rKyLaser_away, so what sources.list must i change ?09:53
Laser_awaySp4rKy: no, change OTHERMIRROR to use the sources.list syntax09:53
Sp4rKyok09:53
tsengshipit now comes with loads of stickers09:54
Laser_awayDanielC: yes, remove the .upload file first or use the dput -f option09:54
Sp4rKyLaser_away, always the same error09:54
imbrandontseng: my shipit dident come with any ;(09:54
Sp4rKybut i've add OTHERMIRROR="deb http://localhost/ dapper main" , exactly like in my own sources.list09:55
DanielCLaser_away: Ok... trying -f ...09:55
Laser_awaySp4rKy: and did you use --override-config09:55
Sp4rKywhen ?09:56
Sp4rKywith pbuilder ?09:56
Laser_awayyeah09:56
Sp4rKyno09:56
Sp4rKy:/09:56
Laser_awayman pbuilder ;-)09:56
Laser_awayok, I'm really away now guys09:56
Sp4rKyi'm updating pbuilder, i'll try after09:56
fowlducksudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper --othermirror="deb http://localhost/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse"09:56
fowlduck?09:56
Laser_awayI'd probably do update rather than create if there's already an existing pbuilder09:57
fowlducksure09:58
Sp4rKyfowlduck, Error: Unknown option [--othermirror=deb http://e17.tuxfamily.org/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse]  was specified09:58
fowlduckSp4rKy, ummm, did you put "s?09:59
Sp4rKyyes09:59
fowlduckunknown option..hmm..09:59
fowlduckhmm, i dunno, but that's how I used it to create my pbuilder environment10:00
Sp4rKyfowlduck, it's  --othermirror "deb http://localhost/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse"  :)10:00
fowlduckright10:01
fowlduckmy bad10:01
Sp4rKyi recreate a pbuilder env10:03
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fowlduckokie dokie10:03
Sp4rKy:)10:03
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DanielCdebuild is faster.10:04
DanielCYay, my package is on Revu!  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=259210:05
fowlduckok, I should modify the rules file, not the makefile to create, in effect, a make install, right?  The authors of the program didn't include a make install in the makefile10:09
Sp4rKyfowlduck, Laser_away crimsun seems works after recreate, thx :)10:11
fowlduckcool10:11
Sp4rKyi'm creating a repository for enlightenment :)10:11
DanielCHow do I find out if someone has made a .deb for Xara already?10:11
DanielCIs there a place where I can search packages for Edgy?10:12
DanielCDoes the list on http://revu.tauware.de show *everything* in Revu?10:12
lfittlDanielC: -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/10:13
DanielCOk, I didn't realize that had packages for Edgy.10:13
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lfittlDanielC: It has, but I don't know if it is completly up-to-date10:13
DanielCI can't find Xara. Maybe I'll add a Xara .deb when I get the hang of .deb files.10:15
fowlduckcould someone please take a look at my question?10:19
fowlduckpretty pelase? :)10:19
lfittlDanielC: Xara is there, but only as a source package http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/source/xaralx10:24
DanielClfittl: Ok, thanks.10:26
DanielClfittl: Why is it on Multiverse? It's GPL.10:26
lfittlDanielC: no idea, all I know that it got synced from debian10:26
DanielCOk. Thanks.10:27
crimsunit's pretty clear why it's in multiverse from http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/x/xaralx/xaralx_0.5r1184-1/copyright .10:27
crimsunit's very much not DFSG-Free10:28
crimsunsee the clauses for CDRAW10:28
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hubcrimsun: which makes Xara non-free software10:31
crimsunhub: indeed. I was clarifying for lfittl / DanielC.10:32
hubcrimsun: yeah I know :-)10:32
hubit is like madwifi, with the difference that they commit releasing them sometime10:32
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fowlduckhmmm, is there a trick to installing manpages, more than just dropping it in a directory?10:36
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fowlduckanyone?10:37
crimsunas in dh_installman(1) ?10:39
sladenfowlduck: there's a dh_debhelper, see the default rules file and uncomment it10:39
sladencrimsun: there's some news for xaralx in the pipeline ;-)10:40
sivanghey sladen10:40
crimsunsladen: excellent.10:40
fowlducksladen, how would I specify a manpage for installation in the rules file?  right now I'm having it manually be copied to the directory and I'd rather not do that10:41
azeemfowlduck: man dh_installman10:46
sladenfowlduck: list it in   debian/packagename.manpages10:46
sladenfowlduck: the section comes from the .TH line in the manpage10:46
fowlduckok, what about installing the program into /usr/local/bin?  it's only one file, but it lacks a make install.11:03
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LaserJockfowlduck: don't put anything in /usr/local/11:05
fowlduckLaserJock, ????11:06
fowlduckso where to then?  just symlink it?11:06
LaserJock.debs shouldn't put things in /usr/local11:06
fowlduckok, where should it put them then?11:06
LaserJockin /usr/bin11:06
fowlduckok, and to answer my previous question, whats the correct way to do that?  I can put a cp in there but I suspect that isn't proper11:07
LaserJockdh_install11:07
fowlduckok, thanks11:07
dholbachgood night11:14
LaserJockcya dholbach11:16
dholbachnight laserjock11:16
Sp4rKymust i update pbuilder when i add a package in a repository ?11:19
LaserJockonly if it is a part of the chroot environment11:20
ryanakcaraphink: /msg?11:47
uniqsp4rky: if you want pbuilder to be able to statisfy depends with the package. yes.11:47
Sp4rKyuniq, thx11:48
uniqsp4rky: you can solve it with hook scripts.11:48
uniqsp4rky: http://blog.madism.org/index.php/2006/06/27/93-pbuilder-custom-configurations11:49
uniqfor example.11:49
Sp4rKythx11:49
ryanakcaraphink: ( packaging question for the REVU package "typespeed" )... if you have time to help me :)11:50
raphinkhmm I'm going to bed now11:50
raphinkgetting up in 7 hours11:50
raphink:s11:50
raphinkso maybe later11:51
raphinkunless this is a short question maybe ryanakca11:51
Sp4rKyraphink, getting up in 6hours !11:51
ryanakcahmmm.... I'll wait...11:51
ryanakcalong question :)11:51
raphinkSp4rKy: well getting up in 6h30 actually11:51
raphinkoh ok11:51
Sp4rKy:)11:52
raphinkryanakca: you could mail it to me and I'll see if I have some time to answer it tomorrow11:52
ryanakcaMeh... It was kindof a "can you guide me threw this" question :)... I was hoping you'd help since it was your review... but I'll find someone else :)11:52
ryanakcaBonne Nuit :)11:53
raphinkthank you11:53
raphink:)11:53
raphinkgood luck :)11:53
ryanakcaty11:54
bluefoxicywhat the ...11:57
bluefoxicyLaserJock:  uh hey is vi supposed to do freakishly weird shit with debian/changelog?11:58
LaserJockI'm guessing no :-)11:58
bluefoxicyok well I vi'd one11:58
bluefoxicy+-- 10 lines: pax-utils (0.1.13-0ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low -- John Moser  -----+--  6 lines: pax-utils (0.1.13) edgy; urgency=low -- John Moser  --------------11:58
LaserJockoh, it looks like it folded it11:58
LaserJockyou should be able to unfold it11:59
LaserJockbluefoxicy: hehe, looks like you aren't the only one ;-)12:00
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