[12:08] <Sp4rKy> hi
[12:15] <\sh> anyone care to sponsor uploads for me? some merges not much
[12:15] <crimsun> sure, URLs?
[12:16] <\sh> crimsun: http://archive.linux-server.org/
[12:17] <\sh> crimsun: give me a few minutes...I'll uploading some more ;)
[12:17] <crimsun> ok
[12:23] <\sh> crimsun: ok...give me time until tomorrow...I think then someone can throw a lot to the buildds
[12:23] <\sh> s/until tomorrow/until later today)
[12:23] <crimsun> ok, I'll check in a few hours
[12:25] <\sh> crimsun: thx
[12:28] <anibal> crimsun: Ubuntu Installer: Accepted librpcsecgss 0.13-1 (source)
[12:28] <anibal> crimsun, thanks
[12:28] <crimsun> anibal: np, I see you've uploaded nfs-utils -10. Do you have a merge?
[12:29] <anibal> crimsun, I'm preparing a new package nfs-utils_1.0.8-10ubuntu1, without the huntch that you suggested
[12:29] <crimsun> anibal: excellent
[12:30] <anibal> crimsun, that it's all we need to get NFSv4 available in ubuntu :)
[12:30] <crimsun> :)
[12:31] <anibal> I'll email you when it's ready, I'm at work at the moment, It's Mon 08:30 here in Melbourne, Australia
[12:33] <crimsun> anibal: np
[12:35] <\sh> anyone care to approve (or at least: yes, it is a sync) for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/asc/+bug/51638
[12:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51638 in asc "sync asc 1.16.3.0-3 from debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[12:37] <\sh> mom report: http://merges.ubuntu.com/a/asc/REPORT
[12:37] <crimsun> done.
[12:38] <\sh> thx
[12:38] <\sh> more to come ;)
[12:38] <\sh> btw...pittis requestsync script...does it work?
[12:39] <crimsun> never tried it
[12:46] <\sh> what is nowdays the correct font path? usr/share/X11/fonts/misc/ or usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ ?
[12:47] <crimsun> I suspect we won't know until the transition plans for 7.1 from Debian are complete
[12:48] <\sh> crimsun: what do you think about this bugreport _ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362340
[12:48] <crimsun> according to /etc/fonts/fonts.conf, /usr/share/fonts/ and /usr/share/X11/fonts/ are both valid
[12:50] <crimsun> \sh: seems valid, and it'll work in Edgy
[12:51] <\sh> crimsun: do we have xfonts-utils with bdftopcf in edgy? I just searched, but didn't find any hint on it
[12:52] <crimsun> \sh: no, we still have it as a separate package 'bdftopcf'
[12:53] <\sh> crimsun: thx...so I'm not clueless ;)
[12:53] <crimsun> Debian Sid, for instance, has xutils-dev, but we have xutils, imake, makedepend, ...
[12:54] <\sh> who is our xorg maintainer for edgy? when it's not daniel stone?
[12:56] <\sh> new sync: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ayttm/+bug/51641 , mom report: http://merges.ubuntu.com/a/ayttm/REPORT
[12:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51641 in ayttm "sync ayttm 0.4.6+34-1 from debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[12:59] <crimsun> done.
[12:59] <crimsun> no idea about X.Org maintainership, though there is X-SWAT
[01:04] <crimsun> out for coffee. hi bddebian.
[01:05] <bddebian> Hi crimsun
[01:08] <tseng> \sh: please fix gajim in edgy
[01:08] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[01:08] <tseng> hi bddebian
[01:08] <\sh> tseng: oh...what's wrong with it?
[01:08] <tseng> ill pastebin
[01:08] <tseng> pysqlite
[01:09] <tseng> http://pastebin.ca/77369
[01:11] <\sh> tseng: upstream says http://trac.gajim.org/ticket/1863
[01:13] <tseng> Opened 3 months ago Last modified 3 months ago
[01:13] <tseng> not helpful?
[01:14] <tseng> hm but its closed
[01:14] <\sh> I'll have a look...or at least a new version is coming out
[01:14] <tseng> it sounds like we need to change pysqlite versions
[01:14] <\sh> Gajim 0.10.1 is here! (06 June 2006)
[01:14] <tseng> woo
[01:15] <\sh> oh we have 0.10.1
[01:34] <nixternal> well well well..how is everyone doing?
[01:34] <\sh> good good...back in action :)
[01:35] <nixternal> heya \sh...good to hear..i see you have been doing some packaging
[01:35] <\sh> nixternal: I'm practicing ;)
[01:35] <nixternal> me too
[01:35] <nixternal> im getting ready to do a new chroot on my other system here in a bit
[01:36] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[01:37] <nixternal> heya bddebian
[01:37] <nixternal> just got done piggin' out on some bbq
[01:37] <nixternal> i need to get work done here, but i feel oh so tired now ;)
[01:38] <\sh> I'll do some merges until I have to go and shower and go back to karlsruhe ;)
[01:39] <\sh> so at least until 3:30 german time which is 1:30 UTC ;)
[01:40] <\sh> listening to some old songs and dreaming about the past...the time when breezy was starting...oh man
[01:40] <nixternal> hehe
[01:43] <jsgotangco> good morning
[01:45] <\sh> bddebian: check your query pls :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> morning all
[02:06] <\sh> hey Hobbsee
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hi \sh
[02:31] <\sh> sync to approve: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bluefish/+bug/51649 , mom report: http://merges.ubuntu.com/b/bluefish/REPORT
[02:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51649 in bluefish "sync bluefish 1.0.5-2 from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[02:33] <\sh> grmpf
[02:33] <\sh> wrong button
[02:36] <\sh> sync to approve: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cal3d/+bug/51650, mom report: http://merges.ubuntu.com/c/cal3d/REPORT
[02:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51650 in cal3d "sync cal3d 0.10.0-7 from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[02:50] <\sh> sync to approve: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/chinput/+bug/51652 (mom report link inside)
[02:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51652 in chinput "[Egdy MOM]  sync chinput 3.0.2-17.1 from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[02:51] <anibal> crimsun, I've sent email to you, nfs-utils 1:1.0.8-10ubuntu1 is ready
[02:57] <\sh> mkdir: cannot create directory `/upstream': Permission denied
[02:57] <\sh> Extracting upstream tarball ../clanlib_0.6.5.orig.tar.gz debian/scripts/source.unpack: line 18: /upstream/tarballs/clanlib_0.6.5.orig.tar.gz.log: No such file or directory
[02:57] <\sh> failed!
[02:58] <\sh> -EEVIL
[02:58] <crimsun> anibal: ok, looking.
[03:02] <crimsun> anibal: looks good, thanks. I'll upload in ~30-40 mins after the new librpcsecgss is published.
[03:11] <\sh> sync to approve: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/clutils/+bug/51654
[03:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51654 in clutils "sync clutils 20051029-4 from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[03:20] <\sh> even when I didn't do much for dapper...my name is too many times on the list of merges ;)
[03:20] <anibal> crimsun, thank you!
[03:27] <\sh> crimsun: ok..I think I've done for now .. the couple of packages on archive.linux-server.org needs to be uploaded...the rest are going to be synced..later today there are more packages to come
[03:27] <crimsun> \sh: ok, I'll look at archive.linux-server.org in a few moments
[03:27] <\sh> crimsun: thanks a lot :)
[03:28] <crimsun> \sh: np, thank you
[03:55] <bddebian> So, what have I missed? :-)
[03:56] <tseng> you missed doing merges, get to work!
[03:57] <bddebian> I'm trying but apparently I suck at that too :-(
[03:57] <tseng> I updated to edgy on the laptop earlier
[03:59] <bddebian> My edgy install killed my server install :-(
[04:00] <crimsun> I located a spare sunblade 1000. hopefully I can get dapper on it.
[04:00] <bddebian> w00t
[04:00] <bddebian> I need to get a Sparc and an amd64 yet
[04:01] <LaserJock> bddebian: killed, as in ...?
[04:02] <bddebian> Can't install any more software..
[04:02] <bddebian> It's weird actually
[04:22] <bddebian> Shouldn't automake build-deps be versioned?
[04:24] <crimsun> if necessary
[04:25] <bddebian> But not necessary?
[04:25] <crimsun> no (see "if")
[04:25] <bddebian> Hmm weird
[04:26] <crimsun> anibal: librpcsecgss needs to be NEWed (due to librpcsecgss2), so I'll upload in ~12 hours
[04:27] <bddebian> Man crimsun, you are an animal :-)
[04:28] <crimsun> bddebian: you should totally look at the merge for ivtools, it's /fun/
[04:28] <bddebian> crimsun: Nah, YOU fixed that one last time :-)
[04:28] <crimsun> you're the resident deity, so I defer to you
[04:29] <bddebian> Oh yeah, look at all I have done.. :-(
[04:31] <LaserJock> bah, I spend more time trying to make tools to parse all the lists that come up
[04:31] <LaserJock> than actually working on them
[04:31] <bddebian> Do I upload a package that I know requires a rebuild of a main package?
[04:32] <crimsun> which main package?
[04:32] <bddebian> devhelp
[04:32] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[04:32] <bddebian> Hmm, actually I think it's a merge anway
[04:32] <bddebian> Err anyway even
[04:32] <bddebian> Heya TheMuso
[04:32] <crimsun> which needs what? :)
[04:33] <crimsun> hi TheMuso
[04:33] <LaserJock> hi TheMuso
[04:35] <crimsun> sed is fun fun fun til your daddy takes your shell aw...
[04:36] <LaserJock> I seem to do better with the regexp module in python
[04:36] <tseng> sed is about as simple as it gets
[04:36] <LaserJock> I can't seem to get sed to match just parts, it either spits out nothing or everything :/
[04:37] <tseng> sed doesnt match parts
[04:37] <bddebian> crimsun: Actually I think it can be synced.  Daniel changed the dep from mozilla to firefox but now it uses xul
[04:37] <tseng> awk does
[04:37] <LaserJock> sed doesn't? hmmm
[04:38] <tseng> normally, you would use sed to do find/replace and awk or cut to do "getting parts"
[04:38] <LaserJock> all I want to do is take the MoM output like:
<a href="x/xbvl/REPORT">xbvl</a></tt></td>
[04:38] <LaserJock> and get out the package name, xbvl
[04:40] <tseng> $ echo "<td><tt><a href="x/xbvl/REPORT">xbvl</a></tt></td>" | cut -d\/ -f2
[04:40] <tseng> works in this case
[04:41] <tseng> less-than-elegant
[04:42] <LaserJock> wow, it works
[04:42] <TheMuso> crimsun: lol
[04:45] <\sh> crimsun: thx :)
[04:46] <\sh> ok...I have to stop here...need to travel to karlsruhe...cu later when I'm in the office.
[04:50] <bddebian> crimsun: What looks bad about ivtools?
[04:50] <crimsun> bddebian: dh_movefiles(1)
[04:52] <bddebian> Oh, why the fsck are they doing that?
[04:54] <bddebian> crimsun: Does that really affect us though if that is the way the Debian maintainers want to do it?
[04:55] <crimsun> bddebian: whether it's the way they want to do it doesn't change that it FTBFS in Edgy.
[04:55] <LaserJock> because of dh_movefiles?
[04:55] <bddebian> OH, I haven't tried to build it yet
[04:55] <crimsun> I only had time to take a cursory glance at its failure (note the binary changes, libiv1 et al.)
[05:04] <zakame> hi all
[05:04] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:06] <crimsun> hi zak
[05:10] <zakame> 3hi bddebian crimsun
[05:12] <anibal> crimsun, ok
[05:12] <LaserJock> bah, bzr branching doesnt' seem to work for me for older branches
[05:12] <LaserJock> I wonder if it's a knit vs. weave thing
[05:13] <bddebian> Knit 1 pearl 2, knit 1 pearl 2
[05:17] <bddebian> Ah, it's trying to move files to package ivtools-dev that should be in libiv1?
[05:18] <crimsun> bddebian: perhaps, I didn't inspect debian/*.files
[05:19] <bddebian> There is a debian bug on it but the maintainer says it's unreproduceable :-)
[05:19] <imbrandon> i think there is a packageing problem with the sun-java5-jre package
[05:19] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17061
[05:19] <imbrandon> ^^ that suppose to happen  on ppc ?
[05:20] <crimsun> yes
[05:20] <crimsun> sun doesn't make ppc jdk/jre
[05:20] <imbrandon> gah then why does it show in apt
[05:20] <crimsun> I advise ppc users to use ibm's jdk/jre
[05:20] <imbrandon> grumbles
[05:21] <imbrandon> ok crimsun thanks
[05:21] <imbrandon> but if there is not a _ppc.deb why would it show up in apt ?
[05:22] <crimsun> because jre is "all"
[05:22] <bddebian> Ah yes:  ivtools-dev.files:  usr/lib/lib*.so
[05:22] <bddebian>     libiv1.files:  usr/lib/libIV.so.1
[05:22] <crimsun> bddebian: see, we have a winner
[05:22] <bddebian> Oh, hmm, no, that should be OK
[05:23] <crimsun> did you check debian/tmp/ ?
[05:23] <crimsun> gah
[05:23] <crimsun> silly capslock+shift
[05:23] <bddebian> No not yet :-(
[05:24] <crimsun> imbrandon: note that sun-java5-jre is arch all, while sun-java5-bin is i386|amd64
[05:24] <imbrandon> yea i seen i found a solution just to build it, that works
[05:24] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get build-dep sun-java5-bin && sudo apt-get -b source sun-java5-bin
[05:24] <imbrandon> ^^ works
[05:24] <imbrandon> on my ppc
[05:25] <crimsun> um...
[05:25] <crimsun> how do you plan to get the actual java executable working?
[05:25] <imbrandon> well it just does, i dont know why
[05:25] <imbrandon> lol
[05:26] <crimsun> ``java -version''
[05:26] <imbrandon> k one sec
[05:26] <imbrandon> lemme let this other build to finish
[05:26] <imbrandon> got less than a min left
[05:27] <LaserJock> imbrandon: hi!
[05:28] <crimsun> sun literally does not even offer ppc downloads for 1.5.0_07
[05:28] <crimsun> I would think they would if ppc were a supported platform
[05:28] <LaserJock> that's wierd, there's still a lot of ppc boxen around
[05:29] <crimsun> in the meantime, try http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/download.html
[05:29] <tseng> not that many running linux
[05:29] <tseng> in the scheme of things
[05:29] <crimsun> the 32-bit iseries/pseries
[05:29] <nate_> I'm packaging something and it came with a debian directory in it initially, but from a previous version.  So I moved the directory out of the source and did my dh_make to generate the debian directory again.  I combined them as much as was sensible, but now I'm to the rules file.  I don't know whether to use the original rules file or the one that was just generated.  They're different...
[05:30] <tseng> presumably the "original" works
[05:30] <nate_> any suggestions?
[05:30] <nate_> tseng, don't know
[05:30] <tseng> was there something wrong with the packaging that prompted you to redo it?
[05:30] <nate_> tseng, it was for a previous version
[05:30] <tseng> we don't repackage every version
[05:30] <nate_> tseng, and packaged by someone else, so I couldn't sign it
[05:30] <LaserJock> why didn't you just start with the previous version?
[05:31] <nate_> LaserJock, how do you mean?
[05:31] <nate_> tseng, I'm using it
[05:31] <tseng> please read it completely
[05:31] <nate_> tseng, thats the only way I got this far
[05:31] <imbrandon> hrm ok thanks crimsun
[05:31] <LaserJock> nate_: if you have a new changelog entry you will be able to sign it
[05:31] <tseng> because you are missing alot of key parts
[05:32] <LaserJock> fowlduck: and you should be able to drop in the new .orig.tar.gz and tweak if necessary
[05:32] <fowlduck> LaserJock, so the way I'm going about it is messed up, mmkay
[05:33] <crimsun> don't reinvent the wheel unless you plan to take bug reports for it, too ;)
[05:35] <LaserJock> yep, unncessary work unless they really messed with source between version
[05:36] <fowlduck> LaserJock, how do you start with the previous version?
[05:36] <fowlduck> LaserJock, as in just add an entry to the changelog and try building and signing it?
[05:36] <LaserJock> fowlduck: sure
[05:36] <fowlduck> LaserJock, mmkay, thanks
[05:37] <LaserJock> fowlduck: is it an Ubuntu package? if so just apt-get source <packagname> and start working
[05:37] <fowlduck> LaserJock, nope, not an ubuntu package.  And it only has one version that was packaged for debian
[05:37] <fowlduck> LaserJock, which was never added to a repot
[05:37] <fowlduck> repos
[05:37] <fowlduck> *
[05:38] <LaserJock> ok, well then s/apt-get source <packagename>/get the source package/ :-)
[05:38] <rob> anyone up reviewing a package for me?
[05:39] <rob> I think I have everything covered now
[05:41] <rob> guess not :)
[05:43] <fowlduck> might be a good idea to add something about generating your GPG key in the packaging docs, unless I overlooked it
[05:44] <crimsun> generating a key is outside the scope of the PG imnsho
[05:44] <fowlduck> well, at least a link to how to do it
[05:44] <LaserJock> well, I'm assuming it, but a link to some resource is possible
[05:44] <rob> maybe a link
[05:44] <rob> yes :)
[05:45] <LaserJock> you can just not sign it too and wait until you want to do something with it before being hit in the head with the "You need the package to be signed" :-)
[05:45] <fowlduck> VMWare server seems slower in windows than in linux....so much slower
[05:46] <rob> fowlduck, thats good because I am about to set up a vmware server in Linux
[05:46] <rob> for Windows 2003 server
[05:46] <fowlduck> rob, what flavor of lin?
[05:47] <rob> Kubuntu
[05:47] <rob> might even set one up for edgy testing too :)
[05:48] <fowlduck> cool, setup isn't too rough on ubuntu, just gotta get that kernel headers directory for the config script
[05:48] <rob> ah, thanks for the heads up
[05:49] <crimsun> bddebian: are you crunching ivtools? If so I'll skip it
[05:53] <bddebian> Go ahead, I'm probably too stupid to fix it anyway
[05:53] <crimsun> shush, or we'll assign all merges to you :P
[05:53] <bddebian> I'm going to do as many as I can but I'm failing so far
[05:53] <crimsun> you're doing fine
[05:55] <nixternal> bddebian: just know bud, if i could package and that stuff 100% i would help you out man ;)
[05:56] <bddebian> nixternal: Thx :-)
[05:56] <nixternal> np man..any time
[05:56] <LaserJock> nixternal: oh, but we can teach you, mwuahahaha
[05:56] <nixternal> teach me..im all ears
[05:56] <nixternal> i haven't packaged in about 8 years ;)
[05:56] <bddebian> nixternal: Yeah, watch out, LaserJock will start giving you MOTU Science packages! :-)
[05:56] <LaserJock> help.ubuntu.com ;-)
[05:56] <LaserJock> bddebian: shush
[05:56] <nixternal> ;)
[05:57] <LaserJock> bddebian: you can't be giving out my secret diabolical plans
[05:57] <bddebian> heh
[05:57] <nixternal> don't worry bddebian, i have been dodging LaserJock and his doc ideas for months now ;)
[05:57] <LaserJock> heh
[05:57] <nixternal> although, i want that moinmoin2docbooks now!!!
[05:58] <LaserJock> my next project is going to be a quite a bit tougher
[05:58] <fowlduck> it's nice, actually understand packaging better now
[05:58] <fowlduck> and how it works
[05:59] <LaserJock> you guys should've gotten the lulu.com version ;-)
[05:59] <fowlduck> LaserJock, again, you, and your docs, rock
[05:59] <LaserJock> the Ubuntu community rocks
[06:00] <fowlduck> right-on
[06:00] <fowlduck> far out
[06:00] <fowlduck> grooooooovy
[06:00] <fowlduck> ok, i'll stop
[06:00] <nixternal> LaserJock: lulu.com couldn't get here fast enough
[06:00] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:00] <fowlduck> LaserJock, who does purchases from lulu.com benefit?
[06:01] <LaserJock> I got the very first lulu.com test book, it was the packaging guide
[06:01] <LaserJock> fowlduck: you
[06:01] <fowlduck> LaserJock, I mean the money, who does it go to?
[06:01] <imbrandon> IE where does the $$ go
[06:01] <LaserJock> um, you
[06:01] <crimsun> ubuntu does not make a profit on it.
[06:01] <LaserJock> you only pay the cost of printing+shipping, there is no royalty or fee
[06:01] <crimsun> jordan does not make a profit on it.
[06:01] <LaserJock> not even from lulu.com
[06:02] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:02] <fowlduck> wow, nice
[06:02] <LaserJock> that's one of the main reasons we went with lulu.com, if you waive your royalty then they waive their cut too
[06:03] <fowlduck> niiiice
[06:03] <LaserJock> so it's about $6 USD for any of the "offical" docs
[06:04] <LaserJock> we even have all the translations (the complteted ones anyway)
[06:04] <fowlduck> just browsing the server docs too so I can see if it's worth getting as well
[06:04] <LaserJock> so you can get the packaging guide in korean and swedish too ;-)
[06:05] <fowlduck> great, so I can stare at the funny characters for hours on end
[06:05] <bddebian> heh
[06:05] <LaserJock> yeah, it was really weird to see the korean version for the first time
[06:05] <LaserJock> I was like, "I wrote that?"
[06:05] <fowlduck> is their writing vertical?
[06:06] <fowlduck> or is that mandarin?
[06:06] <fowlduck> ugh, i forget
[06:06] <LaserJock> hmm, I can't remember. I think it's horizontal
[06:06] <crimsun> bidi? Yes, traditional is.
[06:06] <fowlduck> sure
[06:06] <fowlduck> yeah
[06:12] <fowlduck> where are logs for pbuilder builds stored?  mine failed, and miserably so
[06:12] <rob> lulu rocks
[06:13] <rob> I'm glad the packaging guide was included too
[06:14] <fowlduck> yep
[06:14] <fowlduck> so anyone know?
[06:14] <crimsun> fowlduck: they aren't unless you use --logfile
[06:14] <fowlduck> crimsun, ahh, ok thanks
[06:14] <LaserJock> rob: yeah, it was kinda neat. Hopefully people get use from it
[06:16] <fowlduck> crimsun, and where is it stored?
[06:16] <crimsun> fowlduck: wherever you tell it to be
[06:16] <fowlduck> crimsun, hrm, oops
[06:17] <fowlduck> crimsun, many thanks
[06:20] <bddebian> crimsun: So, do you plan on doing EVERY merge yourself? :)
[06:24] <crimsun> I've only touched a few
[06:25] <bddebian> Well your name is freakin' everywhere in edgy-changes :-)
[06:26] <fowlduck> awesome, I think this just might package
[06:28] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[06:28] <jsgotangco> welcome our new mom overlord
[06:28] <fowlduck> ???
[06:29] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: into overlords these days
[06:29] <LaserJock> ?
[06:32] <fowlduck> heh, it finished the pbuilder build, but the package isn't there....i think....
[06:33] <crimsun> look in the result directory
[06:33] <fowlduck> hmm, yeh
[06:33] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: so do you want to be one?
[06:34] <LaserJock> of course ;-)
[06:34] <LaserJock> jsgotangco shall be overlord of overlords
[06:34] <LaserJock> the one to rule them all ;-)
[06:35] <bluefoxicy> friggin' sweet
[06:35] <bluefoxicy> Peter just got some numbers on LZMA compression
[06:35] <jsgotangco> there is no mount doom
[06:35] <bddebian> hehe
[06:36] <bddebian> Time for this old man to go to bed.  Gnight folks
[06:37] <bluefoxicy> Let's see if I can get him working on SquashFS2 ... based on these numbers, should be able to fit around 3017 megs of data on a 700MiB CD (theoretical maximum); at the very least, 2250
[06:38] <LaserJock> what is it currently?
[06:38] <imbrandon> 2.1 gig i think
[06:38] <bluefoxicy> mmm... and a dapper livecd should turn into something 417 megs wide (I'm assuming the decompressed dapper FS is 1800 megs)
[06:39] <fowlduck> so a dsc file is a debian source file?
[06:40] <Lathiat> fowlduck: its a description of a source set
[06:40] <fowlduck> Lathiat, heh, okie
[06:40] <Lathiat> open it in a text editor
[06:40] <Lathiat> and you'll see
[06:43] <fowlduck> so I should use the sources.build file and dpkg to build the binary package?  I'm confused, I followed the packaging guide, and this is probably the problem I was expecting a deb file
[06:45] <imbrandon> fowlduck: what was the last command you ran ?
[06:45] <fowlduck> imbrandon, sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc --logfile pbuilder.log
[06:46] <imbrandon> did you check your results dir for the deb ? ;)
[06:46] <imbrandon> brb afk
[06:47] <crimsun> fowlduck: you need to be precise with pbuilder options
[06:47] <crimsun> fowlduck: unlike most GNU apps, order of parameters is /very/ important
[06:47] <LaserJock> fowlduck: yeah, the .deb is in the pbuilder result folder, most likely /var/cache/pbuilder/result or so such
[06:47] <crimsun> fowlduck: in this case, you need to use pbuilder build --logfile pbuilder.log foo.dsc
[06:47] <fowlduck> LaserJock, ohhh, ok
[06:48] <crimsun> fowlduck: when in doubt, always check the man page for the order you need to use given the operation
[06:48] <fowlduck> LaserJock, yay! :)
[06:48] <fowlduck> LaserJock, thanks
[06:49] <fowlduck> crimsun, I wasn't aware of what the result directory was, I thought it was one directory up from the source
[06:49] <crimsun> fowlduck: it's configured either in an rc file [/etc/pbuilderrc or ~/.pbuilderrc]  or in the script [e.g., /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh] 
[06:49] <imbrandon> fowlduck: with debuild it is but not pbuilder
[06:50] <imbrandon> yea what crimsun said ;)
[06:50] <fowlduck> ahhh, ok, thanks again everyone :)
[06:50] <fowlduck> crimsun, danke
[06:50] <fowlduck> LaserJock, danke
[06:50] <fowlduck> imbrandon, danke
[06:51] <crimsun> np/bitte/[insert] 
yay it works so well YAY! YAY! </celebration>
[08:05] <damned> morning all
[08:06] <nixternal_> morning damned
[08:09] <highvoltage> hey damned
[09:18] <antinobody> hola todos
[09:20] <antinobody> raphink:  poke
[09:20] <antinobody> raphink: the merges for agistudio and arson should be on REVU, assuming I didn't screw them up
[09:21] <antinobody> raphink: and I thought I'd bug you, out of everyone I could bug, so you should feel special
[09:21] <antinobody> assuming you're available to be bugged, which could be a false assumption
[09:22] <antinobody> raphink: the links are http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2513 for agistudio and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2514 for arson, again, assuming you're here and not busy
[09:22] <raphink> hi antinobody
[09:22] <antinobody> hi raphink
[09:23] <raphink> well i'm at work now ;)
[09:23] <antinobody> ahh
[09:23] <raphink> some kind of a monday morning today I guess ;)
[09:23] <raphink> but maybe later i'll have some time
[09:23] <antinobody> in that case, I'll bug someone else
[09:23] <antinobody> any suggestions?
[09:23] <raphink> whoever has review rights and is available I guess ;)
[09:24] <antinobody> any MOTU I assume would have review rights?
[09:24] <raphink> should have
[09:24] <raphink> if he asked to get them
[09:24] <antinobody> gracas
[09:24] <raphink> REVU is not synchronized with LP yet
[09:24] <raphink> so it's not automatic
[09:24] <raphink> but most of them do have review rights
[09:25] <Yagisan> re
[09:26] <raphink> re
[09:26] <antinobody> what is this re?
[09:26] <Yagisan> return
[09:26] <antinobody> I see
[09:27] <antinobody> ajmitch:  How dare you abandon this poor Yagisan!  Hobbsee I believe has disappeared
[09:28] <antinobody> what did you need the for?
[09:28] <antinobody> I'm 99.9% useless, but who knows, you might be lucky, and I'll know what you're talking about Yagisan
[09:29] <Yagisan> antinobody: ajmitch and Hobbsee don't appear to be home yet.
[09:30] <antinobody> I see...
[09:30] <antinobody> Yagisan: what did you need their help with?
[09:31] <Yagisan> antinobody: not much. I went to the toilet, and they caught the train home before I got out. I was only there for 5 minutes
[09:32] <Yagisan> left all alone
[09:32] <antinobody> well, trains tend to not wait for people.  I should know, I've been abandoned many a time by their cruelty.
[09:33] <Yagisan> yes, but they never come on time here, the timetable is just for show!
[09:34] <antinobody> It's like a guideline, be there at least 30 minutes before, and be prepared to stay at least an hour or more after the time table says
[09:34] <Yagisan> heh
[09:35] <Yagisan> and the ticket cost went up today because of "improved" service
[09:35] <Yagisan> less trains, not on time, and cost more. hooray.
[09:36] <antinobody> nice, our cost always goes up because we pissed off every oil producing country in the world (except Canada, but we're TRYING so hard I give us credit for that one too)
[09:37] <antinobody> and we don't believe in taxing gasoline enough to get people to use less of it.  We are economic geniuses here.
[09:39] <antinobody> crimsun: poke, poke
[09:39] <antinobody> crimsun: poking was Hobbsee's prescribed method of attention getting
[09:40] <crimsun> antinobody: I'm in a phone conf atm, hang 10 mins
[09:40] <antinobody> est bien
[09:52] <antinobody> crimsun: If you pop in while I'm not here, I'll be back on in a second
[09:52] <dholbach> good morning motu world
[09:52] <antinobody> morning dholbach
[10:02] <tseng> hi dholbach
[10:02] <tseng> i owe you 5 euros
[10:02] <dholbach> heya tseng!
[10:02] <dholbach> tseng: you owe me nothing :)
[10:03] <tseng> did you listen to lugradio day 1?
[10:03] <tseng> you are the star
[10:04] <dholbach> hm?
[10:04] <dholbach> lugradio day 1? why am i a star?
[10:04] <tseng> because Jono loves you
[10:04] <tseng> and goes on about it for 5 minutes
[10:04] <tseng> way cool
[10:05] <dholbach> wow
[10:05] <dholbach> I need to find that
[10:05] <tseng> http://lugradio.org/episodes/54
[10:06] <dholbach> gracias!
[10:07] <tseng> np
[10:16] <antinobody> hello
[10:17] <antinobody> dholbach hey again
[10:17] <dholbach> hey antinobody
[10:17] <dholbach> tseng: thanks :)))
[10:17] <tseng> dholbach: *hugs*
[10:17] <tseng> you rock
[10:18] <antinobody> dholbach: the agistudio and arson merges should be on REVU, assuming I didn't botch them.  I'll give you the links if you like.
[10:18] <antinobody> Do you know the format for the "merge bug reports"
[10:18] <tseng> very simple
[10:18] <dholbach> antinobody: I'm quite busy with gnome atm - I'd be happy if you asked somebody else.
[10:19] <tseng> assign to the package
[10:19] <dholbach> (if that's no problem)
[10:19] <tseng> say
[10:19] <tseng> Please sync foo (1.2.3)
[10:19] <phanatic> morning
[10:19] <tseng> Please sync foo (1.2.3) from debian unstable, thanks!
[10:19] <dholbach> or use pitti's requestsync script
[10:19] <tseng> subscribe ubuntu-archive
[10:19] <antinobody> of course dholbach
[10:19] <tseng> leave unassigned
[10:46] <tseng> where is NEW on launchpad?
[10:46] <StevenK> Binary or source?
[10:46] <tseng> binary
[10:46] <StevenK> And I don't think it is.
[10:46] <StevenK> tseng: Bug ubuntu-archive
[10:46] <tseng> it is somewhere on web now
[10:46] <tseng> at least source
[10:46] <StevenK> News to me ... ;-)
[10:46] <tseng> yeah
[10:47] <tseng> but naturally if you didnt memorize/bookmark the url
[10:47] <tseng> there is no chance of navigating to it
[10:48] <tseng> actually wow
[10:48] <tseng> I found it
[10:48] <tseng> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[10:48] <tseng> and there it is
[10:48] <antinobody> crimsun: don't worry about my question from earlier, I've got to get to sleep, I'll have to figure out this merge-o-matic stuff later
[10:49] <crimsun> antinobody: ok, try and catch someone later
[10:50] <jsgotangco> crimsun: do you ever sleep? :)
[10:52] <crimsun> jsgotangco: no.
[10:52] <jsgotangco> :D
[10:52] <crimsun> thank goodness for this dual opteron pbuilder
[10:53] <pygi> jsgotangco, how can you even ask such a question when you know the answer :P
[10:53] <jsgotangco> pygi: because he's been a merging machine all day :)
[10:54] <pygi> jsgotangco, and night, don't forget the night :P
[11:00] <crimsun> ah good, fixed a typo in my presentation.
[11:36] <andi5> hi. what is necessary for a universe package to get updated in dapper? there is a big app missing translations... (what did LTS mean? ;-)) .. thanks in advance
[11:37] <crimsun> which big app? is it only missing translations?
[11:37] <andi5> crimsun: seems so... gnucash, bug 45533
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45533 in gnucash "gnucash translations are missing" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45533
[11:41] <crimsun> andi5: do you have a fix? we're pretty busy atm
[11:41] <andi5> crimsun: packages i have built have never left my computer.... what do i have to do? find a fix or build a package?
[11:42] <\sh> provide a patch
[11:43] <andi5> ok, will try that.... last question: i remember having seen build logs, but now i cannot find them (source package maintainer page or such
[11:43] <andi5> when i succeed, i will attach that to launchpad and hope? (fine with me)
[11:45] <crimsun> yes, attach the debdiff as an attachment to that bug
[11:45] <crimsun> build logs can be accessed from the source package
[11:45] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/gnucash/1.8.12-6ubuntu3  right column
[11:47] <andi5> crimsun: thanks!!! i was looking at the page with the ubuntu logo above (packages.ubuntu.com), as i was used after running debian... is that malone? can i drop that completely?
[11:48] <crimsun> andi5: you'll want to get to know Launchpad
[11:48] <andi5> crimsun: yeah, seems like it is more than i expected :) thanks a lot
[11:49] <crimsun> np
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hi all
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hi all
[12:21] <ajmitch> hello again
[12:21] <Hobbsee> ah, it did work
[12:23] <StevenK> Ow!
[12:23] <ajmitch> settle down, you two
[12:23] <Yagisan> and ajmitch
[12:23] <Hobbsee> you'll cope
[12:23] <Hobbsee> poor Yagisan :p
[12:23] <Hobbsee> we thought you'd run away from us!
[12:23] <ajmitch> Yagisan: our humblest apologies
[12:23] <Yagisan> hah
[12:23] <StevenK> I'm just waiting for someone to say, 'Get a room', which can be arranged.
[12:24] <Yagisan> I did say I was going to change a nappy. Should have said, it may take a while
[12:25] <Yagisan> ajmitch, Hobbsee so where did you go after leaving me ?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> excuses excuses :P
[12:26] <ajmitch> Yagisan: caught a train back to the car, and then went & visited some fellow
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: this fellow is very strange.
[12:27] <Yagisan> must be StevenK
[12:27] <Yagisan> he's a bit odd
[12:27] <Yagisan> ;)
[12:28] <ajmitch> we know better than to comment on that one
[12:28] <StevenK> Yagisan: I do know where you live, you know...
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: sure, we should have brought you with us
[12:28] <Hobbsee> guess we'd run out of powerpoints though
[12:29] <Yagisan> StevenK: and I could use a cook, cleaner and babysitter. How thoughtful of you. Just a sec, I'll tell the wife - we can go on the first date in over 3 years :)
[12:29] <StevenK> Yagisan: You'll be glad to know I'm not any of those things.
[12:29] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: not to worry, I don't have a laptop
[12:29] <StevenK> But by all means, do go out.
[12:30] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yeah, you'd kill off any kids you babysat, i'm sure.
[12:30] <StevenK> That's a feature.
[12:30] <Hobbsee> i'm sure their parents think so too
[12:30] <StevenK> For them its probably a Severity: critical bug.
[12:31] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I think hime could take on StevenK any day. I'm sure she'd win too.
[12:31] <Yagisan> he'd run screaming from the room - "no kids, no kids, no kids, argh ..."
[12:32] <Yagisan> so, did I miss any StevenK, Hobbsee jumping action ?
[12:33] <StevenK> Hobbsee hasn't kicked me. :-/
[12:33] <Yagisan> StevenK: oh, you didn't ask her for her photos then
[12:34] <Yagisan> she's back!
[12:34] <ogra> haha
[12:34] <ajmitch> heh
[12:35] <Hobbsee> unfortunately i lagged out.  i'm sure i didnt want to know what was said.
[12:35] <StevenK> [20:34]  * Yagisan treasures his kick from Hobbsee
[12:35] <StevenK> [20:34]  < StevenK> Hobbsee hasn't kicked me. :-/
[12:35] <ajmitch> it wasn't important
[12:35] <Hobbsee> ah right
[12:36] <StevenK> We were sure not to have any earth-shattering conversions while you were lagged out.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> oh good
[12:36] <Hobbsee> StevenK: but do you deserve the kicking though?
[12:36] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: he wants to be cool like me and say Hobbsee kicked him :-P
[12:36] <StevenK> Uh huh. How many bad jokes have I told?
[12:37] <StevenK> Now you're twice as bad-ass.
[12:38] <Yagisan> StevenK: It's A-R-S-E. ok, A-R-S-E. ;)
[12:40] <StevenK> Okay, so you're twice the arse, then.
[12:41] <Yagisan> nice.
[12:42] <StevenK> Mission accomplished.
[12:42] <StevenK> But you know I love oyu.
[12:43] <StevenK> s/oyu/you/
[12:43] <StevenK> I just wish you'd return my 2am phone calls.
[12:44] <Yagisan> StevenK: well, it you turned on caller id it would help. there are so many calls, I can easily get you mixed up with my other admirers :-P
[12:45] <StevenK> You bastard! You said I was the only one!
[12:45] <Hobbsee> i think he lied...
[12:46] <StevenK> No shit, sherlock.
[12:46] <Hobbsee> seeing as i cant really be captain obvious
[12:47] <StevenK> Sure you can.
[12:47] <Yagisan> Yeah, I lied. I mean, didn't you see my business card, my job - it's kinda obvious.
[12:47] <StevenK> A Captain is not just a job for males.
[12:54] <Yagisan> so, how was my geek-in-training today ?
[01:05] <kelmo> moin
[01:08] <kelmo> hi siretart
[01:10] <siretart> heyho kelmo
[01:17] <kelmo> siretart: two things i just wanted to talk about
[01:18] <kelmo> siretart: 1) maybe flush the interface before "ifconfig $iface up", to avoid interference and possibly stop it from being in up operstate
[01:18] <kelmo> siretart: rather than after the ifconfig call
[01:19] <kelmo> siretart: 2) calling wpa_cli reconfigure manually ignores the WPA_CTRL_DIR in the case where it is not default to /var/run/wpa_supplicant
[01:21] <kelmo> siretart: maybe a HUP signal to wpa_supplicant in this case would be better
[01:25] <siretart> kelmo: ah, I didn't know that the wpa_supplicant respects SIGHUP.
[01:26] <siretart> kelmo: thats of course better. will change
[01:26] <kelmo> siretart: wpa_supplicant.conf(5)
[01:26] <siretart> ok
[01:27] <siretart> about the flush, ok, lets move it in front
[01:27] <kelmo> well, i am no big fan of it, i do not fully see Felix's point about flushing the ip
[01:27] <siretart> hm. now felix rises the (valid) point of a flaky connection, and proposes an timeout..
[01:27] <kelmo> that is not a good idea . . .
[01:28] <siretart> if the connection is flaky, a new lease will be there soon, so well
[01:28] <siretart> if the connection is away, why keep the 'now invalid' ip adress?
[01:29] <kelmo> it is standard ifupdown behaviour, if we want to flush also, that is okay, but i am simply not a big fan of it
[01:29] <kelmo> it introduces another piece to the puzzle
[01:31] <siretart> what could break?
[01:32] <siretart> but I see the point that in the case of a flaky internet connection, it might be annoying
[01:32] <kelmo> just put it before ifconfig up, and I am fine with it ;-)
[01:33] <siretart> ok will do
[01:34] <kelmo> siretart: my concern is in the unknown, that is all
[01:35] <kelmo> siretart: i don't see fluching the interface as absolutely neccessity for the purpose of the scheme, therefore i've not thoroughly tested it
[01:37] <siretart> then let's test it ;)
[01:38] <kelmo> siretart: and watch out for the change to 00list ;-)
[01:39] <\sh> hmmm...how can I give dpkg-reconfigure some values he should use by default?
[01:39] <\sh> like -y ;)
[01:40] <siretart> damn
[01:41] <kelmo> siretart: and HUP to wpa_supplicant, not wpa_cli
[01:42] <siretart> argl. I should work on wpa_supplicant at work
[01:43] <siretart> committed
[01:46] <cypher> is dchroot and dpkg-deb enough to build a package ?
[01:46] <cypher> or is dpkg-deb is enough ?
[01:47] <siretart> cypher: I recommend schroot over dchroot
[01:47] <siretart> cypher: for packaging, install dpkg-dev, devscripts, build-essential
[01:47] <siretart> oh, devscripts depends on dpkg-dev
[01:48] <cypher> siretart, do i really will be needing a minimal ubuntu installation on the chroot environment ?
[01:50] <siretart> cypher: depends on what you want to package. your question is very generic..
[02:00] <kelmo> siretart: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Dbdrhp57.html
[02:01] <siretart> kelmo: oh. ok, commit straight away
[02:01] <siretart> kelmo: thanks
[02:21] <siretart> kelmo: I don't think we need to mimic every detail of ifupdown. we are in a roaming scenario here anyway after all
[02:22] <kelmo> siretart: hey, i agree, but approach this with caution
[02:23] <kelmo> one could argue that fluching on down when roaming would be a good thing, because we may be connecting to a new network next time
[02:23] <kelmo> s/fluching/flushing/
[02:24] <kelmo> but i think flushing the iface may make unexpected disconnections on dhcp net's cause next reconnect to be longer, i don't know
[02:25] <kelmo> just as an example
[02:26] <siretart> kelmo: right. I'm aware of this, but we only know this if we test it
[02:26] <siretart> kelmo: I tested it here, and didn't notice the dhcp request to take longer
[02:27] <kelmo> siretart: sure, my main concern was the placement of the flush ;-)
[02:27] <kelmo> my secondary concerns are just random thoughts
[02:27] <kelmo> + unfounded
[02:32] <siretart> perhaps unfounded
[02:32] <siretart> will keep an eye on this
[02:32] <siretart> kelmo: but I'm happy that ppl like lukas are actually testing the new package
[02:33] <siretart> kelmo: so I'm quite confident now that we can close the pseudo bug in debian/changelog for the next upload
[02:33] <siretart> s/lukas/felix
[02:33] <kelmo> siretart: lukas? (or Felix?)
[02:33] <kelmo> ah, k
[02:33] <siretart> felix of course. (why did I write lukas?)
[02:34] <kelmo> siretart: i really liked his HUP idea
[02:34] <siretart> :)
[02:35] <kelmo> siretart: thats why i thought i'd make contact again with him, he has some good perspective as a user
[02:35] <siretart> kelmo: that was a good idea.
[02:36] <kelmo> siretart: well, add the appropriate closes: to the changelog when you are ready
[02:36] <siretart> to have a clean upgrade path for configuration of sarge users would be of course fine, but I'm sceptic about that as well
[02:36] <siretart> ok. will do so tomorrow or so
[02:36] <kelmo> yep, no big rush
[02:37] <kelmo> upgrade path I believe is up to the documentation to assist the user
[02:37] <kelmo> not much more in this case
[02:38] <ogra> who did windowlab merge ?
[02:52] <AnAnt> lionelp: I saw a comment of yours on the elinks package I uploaded
[02:53] <lionelp> yes
[02:53] <AnAnt> lionelp: well, the difference (now) is that I compiled it with some features
[02:53] <AnAnt> lionelp: as Javascript, and so
[02:53] <AnAnt> lionelp: that's for the full elinks variant, the elinks-lite variant is left as is
[02:54] <AnAnt> lionelp: note, that the changes I made since yesterday are based on the package that is in Edgy
[02:55] <AnAnt> lionelp: the changes are mentioned in the changelog actually
[02:56] <lionelp> 2s
[02:57] <AnAnt> huh?
[03:01] <lionelp> AnAnt: I was buzzy
[03:01] <lionelp> I saw your modifcations yes
[03:01] <lionelp> (i have a look in changelog)
[03:02] <AnAnt> busy
[03:02] <AnAnt> ok
[03:02] <lionelp> yes, sorry :)
[03:03] <AnAnt> so , any questions ?
[03:03] <lionelp> no questions for me
[03:04] <AnAnt> ok
[03:12] <kelmo> siretart: ip seems to have nothing to flush much here anyway, when roaming between points
[03:12] <kelmo> siretart: just makes a bit more noise, is all
[03:13] <kelmo> siretart: so far, its all good
[03:13] <siretart> kelmo: then it cannot harm, no?
[03:14] <kelmo> siretart: *most likely* not, but i still am no big fan ;-)
[03:15] <siretart> ;)
[03:15] <kelmo> siretart: HUP signal works nicely too
[03:15] <siretart> :)
[03:16] <kelmo> siretart: well, i'll bugger off and stop harrassing you now, and remember: no hacking on stuff while at work! ;-)
[03:17] <siretart> kelmo: ok. I will remember that :)
[03:20] <lingo> I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but how and where do I request that certain packages be taken out of the Universe and put into the "main" section?
[03:21] <DanielC> How do I get my GPG key added to the REVU keyring? It's already in launchpad. Do I need to do anything else?
[03:24] <siretart> DanielC: did you join the group 'ubuntu-universe-contributers'?
[03:24] <DanielC> I'm trying to go through the process of uploading a new .deb to REVU.
[03:24] <DanielC> siretart: yes, abut 40 second ago...
[03:25] <siretart> I need to run a script
[03:25] <DanielC> Ok, thanks.
[03:30] <DanielC> siretart: My launchpad home page says "approved". Does that mean I can move on to the next step on the REVU guide?
[03:30] <siretart> DanielC: your key should be im ported now
[03:30] <siretart> imported, even
[03:30] <DanielC> Great, thanks.
[03:31] <DanielC> Now I should get an email with my password encrypted...
[03:31] <DanielC> Hmmm... the instructions seem to imply that *first* I upload a package and then the password is generated. But that doesn't make sense...
[03:31] <Seveas> anyone available for a merge question?
[03:32] <siretart> DanielC: no. you won't get mail. your account will be created on initial upload
[03:32] <DanielC> siretart: ok
[03:32] <siretart> DanielC: use the lost password link to recover it after first upload
[03:32] <DanielC> Ok... seems like an odd way of doing things... ;-)
[03:36] <kelmo> siretart: curious, have you an interest in hostapd much at all?
[03:38] <siretart> kelmo: it is on my list to play with, but I didn't have time for that. and I honestly don't think I will do have time soon
[03:39] <siretart> kelmo: but for the sake of consistency, I'd be happy if hostap and wpasupplicant could be maintained in the same team
[03:39] <kelmo> siretart: oh, its already been long maintained by paravoid
[03:39] <kelmo> siretart: but i have recently had an urge to send patches to its packaging, i use it alot
[03:40] <kelmo> siretart: one thing i was pondering was an alternative way to start it, instead of its init script (probably similar to wpasupplicant's ifupdown.sh)
[03:41] <siretart> kelmo: do you think paravoid is interested in joining pkg-wpa?
[03:42] <kelmo> siretart: i would not know, i guess he may though ;-)
[03:47] <DanielC> I'm having trouble uploading with dput. The first time I ran it it seemed to hang, so I pressed Ctrl+C. Then I tried again with the -P option, but it said that there's a file by that name already.
[03:47] <DanielC> That file is surely corrupt because I cancelled it.
[03:47] <DanielC> So I'm trying to remove it with dcut, but I can't figure out the correct command.
[03:49] <kelmo> siretart: interestingly, half a sentnce disappears from the wpa_supplicant.conf manapge
[03:49] <kelmo> siretart: right about the section that explains the HUP signal and reloading the conffile ;-)
[03:50] <DanielC> Could someone help me get a .deb package in Revu?
[03:53] <DanielC> How can I use dcut to remove files?
[03:58] <DanielC> Is it really that hard to remove a file with dcut that nobody knows how to do it?
[03:58] <DanielC> Someone must have removed a file with dcut before...
[03:59] <siretart> DanielC: better ping a revu admin to clear the revu-incoming dir
[03:59] <DanielC> Ok.
[03:59] <DanielC> Any idea where I can find a revu admin?
[03:59] <siretart> DanielC: done
[03:59] <DanielC> Oh, thanks.
[04:00] <DanielC> Ok, I guess I'll try dput again and not hit Ctrl+C this time...
[04:02] <siretart> DanielC: and make sure you upload a *_source.changes file, and not a i386.changes one
[04:02] <DanielC> Ok. yes, I'm doing that...
[04:02] <DanielC> It's taking an awfully long time though...
[04:02] <DanielC> Thanks for the help btw.
[04:03] <DanielC> Oh, there it goes... :)
[04:26] <DanielC> Revu doesn't like me :(  The "recover password" link gives me blank text.
[04:36] <DanielC> On Revu the lostpw.py script is broken. Some times it dies and you get a "Traceback" error.
[04:38] <fbond> DanielC, I have already notified siretart, the admin
[04:39] <DanielC> Ok, thanks.
[04:39] <fbond> if you need your password recovered manually, email siretart
[04:39] <DanielC> I'm uploading the error to pastebin in case it helps... (pastebin is being slow though...)
[04:40] <siretart> you can always request a password change via email
[04:40] <DanielC> siretart: Could you send the password for daniel.carrera@zmsl.com ?
[04:48] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[04:48] <DanielC> siretart: Is there anything I need to do to get a password via email?
[04:50] <siretart> DanielC: there is no password for daniel.carrera@zmsl.com
[04:50] <DanielC> :-(
[04:50] <siretart> you need to get a package accepted with that email first
[04:50] <DanielC> That's bad.
[04:51] <DanielC> By "accepted" do you mean "into universe"?
[04:51] <siretart> no, in revu
[04:51] <siretart> DanielC: did you say you already joined 'ubuntu-universe-contributers'?
[04:52] <siretart> DanielC: whats your launchpad id?
[04:52] <DanielC> siretart: yes, and my launchpad page says it's approved.
[04:52] <DanielC> https://launchpad.net/people/daniel-carrera
[04:52] <DanielC> How do I find my lauchpad id?
[04:52] <siretart> interesting
[04:52] <siretart> your id is daniel-carrera
[04:52] <DanielC> ah, thanks.
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hi all
[05:03] <Toadstool> hey Hobbsee
[05:03] <Hobbsee> :) there is someone here
[05:05] <Yagisan> wb Hobbsee
[05:05] <Hobbsee> hi again Yagisan
[05:05] <Yagisan> nice to see I'm not the only one still up
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: no, no, i just got home
[05:06] <Toadstool> it's 5pm here :)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: and i'm going to get fried when mum wakes up again
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: heh
[05:07] <Hobbsee> paris?
[05:07] <Toadstool> nope, but France
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:07] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I'm just getting around to signing ajmitch's key now
[05:08] <Toadstool> somewhere in the south of France, and i'm about to go to the beach 'cause it's far too hot to stay in front of my computer :)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: nice, pity you cant sign mine too
[05:08] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: bring your fingerprint next time we meet
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: yeah, i should find that.  StevenK signed it tonight, or will do.
[05:09] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I've already seen your id, which is good
[05:09] <Hobbsee> true
[05:09] <Hobbsee> i've had to show my drivers licence more than i've ever had to before - it's kinda weird
[05:29] <siretart> DanielC: ok, retry recovering. user account has been created now
[05:29] <DanielC> Ok, thanks.
[05:30] <DanielC> Yay!
[05:30] <DanielC> siretart: Thanks!
[05:38] <Sp4rKy> hi
[05:39] <Sp4rKy> my package devede has been rejected because it doesn't seem follow the debian python policy, but i've read that and i don't understand what's wrong
[05:43] <bmonty_away> Sp4rKy: is it on REVU?
[05:44] <Sp4rKy> yes
[05:45] <bmonty> Sp4rKy: the only devede package I see says it was uploaded
[05:52] <Sp4rKy> sorry
[05:52] <Sp4rKy> network issue
[06:05] <Sp4rKy> does anyone could check devede package because it has been advocatined 2 times but keybuk said it's bad ...
[06:11] <DanielC> Is  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates  deprecated?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> DanielC: possibly, just check for whatever you're looking for - if it's already in one of the places like debian, ubuntu, etc
[06:13] <Hobbsee> revu
[06:13] <DanielC> Ok.
[06:13] <DanielC> I noticed that XaraXtreme was there...
[06:14] <DanielC> New question: On Revu, what do those pictures under "status" mean?
[06:14] <DanielC> I can't find any legend.
[06:15] <Hobbsee> there are pictures under status?  click on the icons, and see if they've been accepted
[06:15] <DanielC> They're not clickable.
[06:15] <DanielC> There is a light bulb, and a hammer and a heart.
[06:15] <DanielC> http://revu.tauware.de/
[06:15] <DanielC> But there's no explanation of what that means.
[06:19] <apachelogger> siretart: ping
[06:21] <siretart> hello apachelogger
[06:24] <apachelogger> heya
[06:24] <Hobbsee> [02:18]  <apachelogger> http://paste.bit-freaks.net/11
[06:24] <Hobbsee> for reference
[06:24] <apachelogger> aye, thanks :)
[06:27] <Tonio_> hi
[06:29] <apachelogger> siretart: any idea what to do?
[06:32] <siretart> apachelogger: your upload has been rejected because your key is not in the revu keyring
[06:32] <apachelogger> Oo
[06:32] <apachelogger> how so?
[06:32] <siretart> apachelogger: no need to upload it a 2nd time
[06:33] <tseng> dholbach:      - debian/control.in, debian/rules: build with Firefox instead of xulrunner
[06:33] <tseng>        *whine*
[06:33] <tseng> whats this?
[06:33] <siretart> apachelogger: what is your lp id, are you member of the group 'ubuntu-universe-contributors'?
[06:33] <dholbach> tseng: debian builds with xulrunner
[06:33] <tseng> right?
[06:33] <dholbach> tseng: we build with firefox
[06:33] <tseng> i would love to build with xulrunner
[06:33] <dholbach> tseng: talk to iwj
[06:33] <apachelogger> siretart: apachelogger, I'm member of the team, since about an hour or two
[06:33] <dholbach> tseng: we need a firefox which can build with xulrunner (and doesn't ship the same source twice) in main
[06:34] <tseng> moo
[06:34] <siretart> apachelogger: aha
[06:34] <ogra> well, we nedd xulrunner
[06:34] <ogra> *need
[06:34] <tseng> totally.
[06:34] <tseng> but we needed it 3 years ago, too
[06:35] <ogra> edubuntu is f*cked if we dont get it in anyhow
[06:36] <DanielC> ogra: Why is xulrunner so important?
[06:36] <ogra> DanielC, space, switch to epiphany ...
[06:36] <DanielC> ok
[06:37] <ogra> sabayon and pessulus dont work with firefox ...
[06:37] <ogra> well it recently had its first public release, give it some time :)
[06:37] <tseng> the problem is that firefox has a UI
[06:37] <tseng> and it has gecko
[06:37] <ogra> yeah
[06:38] <tseng> half the world wants to link against gecko
[06:38] <tseng> right now you suck in the latest UI version
[06:38] <ogra> in ubuntu actually half the world even does
[06:38] <tseng> seriously.
[06:38] <tseng> dbus or firefox, take your pick
[06:38] <tseng> you are standing on a pile of crack
[06:38] <ogra> yeah
[06:38] <tseng> :D
[06:38] <ogra> heh
[06:39] <siretart> apachelogger: processed manually
[06:39] <apachelogger> siretart: thanks a lot, bye
[07:23] <fowlduck> hallo, good afternoon and all that
[08:51] <fowlduck> does the dirs file have to include the directory the docs are installed into as well?
[08:53] <crimsun> depends. Do you create it in rules?
[08:53] <crimsun> and what types of docs are you referring to?
[08:54] <fowlduck> man pages
[08:55] <fowlduck> i haven't messed witht he rules yet, there is not install in the app's makefile, so it has to be installed by me
[08:56] <crimsun> as long as dh_installdirs is called in rules prior to dh_*man*, yes
[09:37] <Sp4rKy> pleaase ....
[09:37] <Sp4rKy> how could i do when a needed library doesn't exists in default repositories ?
[09:38] <Sp4rKy> pbuilder says "-> Cannot install foo-dev; apt errors follow:
[09:38] <Sp4rKy> Reading package lists... Done
[09:38] <Sp4rKy> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:38] <Sp4rKy> E: Couldn't find package foo-dev
[09:38] <Sp4rKy> "
[09:38] <Sp4rKy> whereas foo-dev exists in custom repository
[09:39] <crimsun> foo-dev is the actual name?
[09:39] <Sp4rKy> yes
[09:39] <Sp4rKy> euh
[09:39] <Sp4rKy> no
[09:39] <Sp4rKy> the real name is libeet0-dev
[09:40] <crimsun> do you plan to have libeet in Ubuntu?
[09:40] <crimsun> or are you just asking for pbuilder assistance?
[09:40] <Sp4rKy> libeet is a part of enlightenement
[09:40] <Sp4rKy> do i need set the "OTHERMIRROR" directive ?
[09:40] <crimsun> if you're just doing packages for yourself, sure
[09:41] <crimsun> if you want E17 in Ubuntu, you need to do the leg work and get libeet into Ubuntu
[09:42] <Sp4rKy> the issue is CVS version provide a debian/ repositories
[09:42] <Sp4rKy> so how could i do if i want package them for ubuntu ?
[09:45] <DanielC> I need to upload a new version of my .deb to revu. I'm replacing the version -1 by -0ubuntu1. My question is: If I run `dput *source.changes` will it figure out that this is a new upload of the same package I uploaded earlier?
[09:48] <Sp4rKy> when i add OTHERMIRROR="http://localhost/ dapper main" , it doesn't work whereas my repository works fine , what's wrong ?
[09:48] <DanielC> And what does the -as option to debuild do? I can't find these options on the man page.
[09:48] <Sp4rKy> maybe -sa no ?
[09:49] <DanielC> ok
[09:49] <DanielC> What's -sa?
[09:49] <tseng> sign all
[09:49] <DanielC> Ok. So debuild normally doesn't sign everything?
[09:50] <DanielC> It asks for my passphrase twice even without the -sa
[09:50] <imbrandon> and -1 should be -1ubuntu1 not -0ubuntu1
[09:50] <Laser_away> it means it will include the .orig.tar.gz
[09:50] <DanielC> ah, thanks
[09:50] <Laser_away> no, it really is -0ubuntu1
[09:50] <imbrandon> who added the -1 debian ?
[09:50] <fowlduck> Laser_away, not so away, are we?
[09:51] <DanielC> imbrandon: This is a brand new package, it's not in Debian.
[09:51] <Laser_away> fowlduck: well, I'm trying
[09:51] <imbrandon> ahh ok yea -0ubtunu1 then
[09:51] <Sp4rKy> please how do i set the OTHERMIRROR directive ?
[09:51] <DanielC> I assume that the -0 mans "not in debian" :)
[09:52] <imbrandon> yea but dont hcange the upsteam version number if its -1 already
[09:52] <imbrandon> whom added the -1
[09:52] <Laser_away> Sp4rKy: do it just as you do in sources.list
[09:52] <Laser_away> i.e. deb http://....
[09:52] <DanielC> imbrandon: Me. I uploaded it to revu a few hours ago. It's my first package. I'm a noob :)
[09:52] <imbrandon> ohh ;)
[09:52] <Sp4rKy> Laser_away, i've a personnal repository in my own sources.list
[09:53] <Sp4rKy> Laser_away, but does pbuilder use my custom sources.list ?
[09:53] <DanielC> imbrandon: So is it safe to change it to -0ubuntu1 and upload again?
[09:53] <Laser_away> Sp4rKy: no
[09:53] <Sp4rKy> Laser_away, so what sources.list must i change ?
[09:53] <Laser_away> Sp4rKy: no, change OTHERMIRROR to use the sources.list syntax
[09:53] <Sp4rKy> ok
[09:54] <tseng> shipit now comes with loads of stickers
[09:54] <Laser_away> DanielC: yes, remove the .upload file first or use the dput -f option
[09:54] <Sp4rKy> Laser_away, always the same error
[09:54] <imbrandon> tseng: my shipit dident come with any ;(
[09:55] <Sp4rKy> but i've add OTHERMIRROR="deb http://localhost/ dapper main" , exactly like in my own sources.list
[09:55] <DanielC> Laser_away: Ok... trying -f ...
[09:55] <Laser_away> Sp4rKy: and did you use --override-config
[09:56] <Sp4rKy> when ?
[09:56] <Sp4rKy> with pbuilder ?
[09:56] <Laser_away> yeah
[09:56] <Sp4rKy> no
[09:56] <Sp4rKy> :/
[09:56] <Laser_away> man pbuilder ;-)
[09:56] <Laser_away> ok, I'm really away now guys
[09:56] <Sp4rKy> i'm updating pbuilder, i'll try after
[09:56] <fowlduck> sudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper --othermirror="deb http://localhost/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse"
[09:56] <fowlduck> ?
[09:57] <Laser_away> I'd probably do update rather than create if there's already an existing pbuilder
[09:58] <fowlduck> sure
[09:58] <Sp4rKy> fowlduck, Error: Unknown option [--othermirror=deb http://e17.tuxfamily.org/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse]  was specified
[09:59] <fowlduck> Sp4rKy, ummm, did you put "s?
[09:59] <Sp4rKy> yes
[09:59] <fowlduck> unknown option..hmm..
[10:00] <fowlduck> hmm, i dunno, but that's how I used it to create my pbuilder environment
[10:00] <Sp4rKy> fowlduck, it's  --othermirror "deb http://localhost/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse"  :)
[10:01] <fowlduck> right
[10:01] <fowlduck> my bad
[10:03] <Sp4rKy> i recreate a pbuilder env
[10:03] <fowlduck> okie dokie
[10:03] <Sp4rKy> :)
[10:04] <DanielC> debuild is faster.
[10:05] <DanielC> Yay, my package is on Revu!  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2592
[10:09] <fowlduck> ok, I should modify the rules file, not the makefile to create, in effect, a make install, right?  The authors of the program didn't include a make install in the makefile
[10:11] <Sp4rKy> fowlduck, Laser_away crimsun seems works after recreate, thx :)
[10:11] <fowlduck> cool
[10:11] <Sp4rKy> i'm creating a repository for enlightenment :)
[10:11] <DanielC> How do I find out if someone has made a .deb for Xara already?
[10:12] <DanielC> Is there a place where I can search packages for Edgy?
[10:12] <DanielC> Does the list on http://revu.tauware.de show *everything* in Revu?
[10:13] <lfittl> DanielC: -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[10:13] <DanielC> Ok, I didn't realize that had packages for Edgy.
[10:13] <lfittl> DanielC: It has, but I don't know if it is completly up-to-date
[10:15] <DanielC> I can't find Xara. Maybe I'll add a Xara .deb when I get the hang of .deb files.
[10:19] <fowlduck> could someone please take a look at my question?
[10:19] <fowlduck> pretty pelase? :)
[10:24] <lfittl> DanielC: Xara is there, but only as a source package http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/source/xaralx
[10:26] <DanielC> lfittl: Ok, thanks.
[10:26] <DanielC> lfittl: Why is it on Multiverse? It's GPL.
[10:26] <lfittl> DanielC: no idea, all I know that it got synced from debian
[10:27] <DanielC> Ok. Thanks.
[10:27] <crimsun> it's pretty clear why it's in multiverse from http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/x/xaralx/xaralx_0.5r1184-1/copyright .
[10:28] <crimsun> it's very much not DFSG-Free
[10:28] <crimsun> see the clauses for CDRAW
[10:31] <hub> crimsun: which makes Xara non-free software
[10:32] <crimsun> hub: indeed. I was clarifying for lfittl / DanielC.
[10:32] <hub> crimsun: yeah I know :-)
[10:32] <hub> it is like madwifi, with the difference that they commit releasing them sometime
[10:36] <fowlduck> hmmm, is there a trick to installing manpages, more than just dropping it in a directory?
[10:37] <fowlduck> anyone?
[10:39] <crimsun> as in dh_installman(1) ?
[10:39] <sladen> fowlduck: there's a dh_debhelper, see the default rules file and uncomment it
[10:40] <sladen> crimsun: there's some news for xaralx in the pipeline ;-)
[10:40] <sivang> hey sladen
[10:40] <crimsun> sladen: excellent.
[10:41] <fowlduck> sladen, how would I specify a manpage for installation in the rules file?  right now I'm having it manually be copied to the directory and I'd rather not do that
[10:46] <azeem> fowlduck: man dh_installman
[10:46] <sladen> fowlduck: list it in   debian/packagename.manpages
[10:46] <sladen> fowlduck: the section comes from the .TH line in the manpage
[11:03] <fowlduck> ok, what about installing the program into /usr/local/bin?  it's only one file, but it lacks a make install.
[11:05] <LaserJock> fowlduck: don't put anything in /usr/local/
[11:06] <fowlduck> LaserJock, ????
[11:06] <fowlduck> so where to then?  just symlink it?
[11:06] <LaserJock> .debs shouldn't put things in /usr/local
[11:06] <fowlduck> ok, where should it put them then?
[11:06] <LaserJock> in /usr/bin
[11:07] <fowlduck> ok, and to answer my previous question, whats the correct way to do that?  I can put a cp in there but I suspect that isn't proper
[11:07] <LaserJock> dh_install
[11:07] <fowlduck> ok, thanks
[11:14] <dholbach> good night
[11:16] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[11:16] <dholbach> night laserjock
[11:19] <Sp4rKy> must i update pbuilder when i add a package in a repository ?
[11:20] <LaserJock> only if it is a part of the chroot environment
[11:47] <ryanakca> raphink: /msg?
[11:47] <uniq> sp4rky: if you want pbuilder to be able to statisfy depends with the package. yes.
[11:48] <Sp4rKy> uniq, thx
[11:48] <uniq> sp4rky: you can solve it with hook scripts.
[11:49] <uniq> sp4rky: http://blog.madism.org/index.php/2006/06/27/93-pbuilder-custom-configurations
[11:49] <uniq> for example.
[11:49] <Sp4rKy> thx
[11:50] <ryanakca> raphink: ( packaging question for the REVU package "typespeed" )... if you have time to help me :)
[11:50] <raphink> hmm I'm going to bed now
[11:50] <raphink> getting up in 7 hours
[11:50] <raphink> :s
[11:51] <raphink> so maybe later
[11:51] <raphink> unless this is a short question maybe ryanakca
[11:51] <Sp4rKy> raphink, getting up in 6hours !
[11:51] <ryanakca> hmmm.... I'll wait...
[11:51] <ryanakca> long question :)
[11:51] <raphink> Sp4rKy: well getting up in 6h30 actually
[11:51] <raphink> oh ok
[11:52] <Sp4rKy> :)
[11:52] <raphink> ryanakca: you could mail it to me and I'll see if I have some time to answer it tomorrow
[11:52] <ryanakca> Meh... It was kindof a "can you guide me threw this" question :)... I was hoping you'd help since it was your review... but I'll find someone else :)
[11:53] <ryanakca> Bonne Nuit :)
[11:53] <raphink> thank you
[11:53] <raphink> :)
[11:53] <raphink> good luck :)
[11:54] <ryanakca> ty
[11:57] <bluefoxicy> what the ...
[11:58] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock:  uh hey is vi supposed to do freakishly weird shit with debian/changelog?
[11:58] <LaserJock> I'm guessing no :-)
[11:58] <bluefoxicy> ok well I vi'd one
[11:58] <bluefoxicy> +-- 10 lines: pax-utils (0.1.13-0ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low -- John Moser  -----+--  6 lines: pax-utils (0.1.13) edgy; urgency=low -- John Moser  --------------
[11:58] <LaserJock> oh, it looks like it folded it
[11:59] <LaserJock> you should be able to unfold it
[12:00] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: hehe, looks like you aren't the only one ;-)