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| LaserJock | hmm, so what happens to specs that aren't approved by the deadline? are they defered to edgy+1? | 01:44 |
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| LaserJock | hi jsgotangco | 01:46 |
| jsgotangco | good morning | 01:46 |
| Amaranth | LaserJock: You can still do them. | 01:46 |
| crimsun | they're sent down the TUBES OF INTERNET HELL. http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/?entry_id=1512499 | 01:46 |
| Amaranth | LaserJock: the approved specs are just "we want this done" | 01:46 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: i heard this strange news today regarding a candidacy in Nevada | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | oh really? | 01:47 |
| jsgotangco | yeah former adult movie star | 01:48 |
| LaserJock | hmm, haven't heard about that, but wouldn't doubt it, a adult movie star ran for govenor of California not long ago :-) | 01:49 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: http://mimi4governor.com/ | 01:49 |
| LaserJock | hmm, somehow I just don't think I'll be voting for her ;-) | 01:51 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 01:51 |
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| jsgotangco | i just heard it from the local news because she's filipina by birth and was an immigrant so... | 01:51 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | I see | 01:52 |
| LaserJock | I wondered | 01:52 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 01:55 |
| LaserJock | I haven't really paid much attention to the races here, although the billboard signs are starting to pop up all over the place | 01:56 |
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| Burgundavia | LaserJock: specs can be picked up and work on by anyone. In fact, our open spec engine makes us completely unique among all distros | 02:10 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:10 |
| Burgundavia | that is why those brazilian guys are working on the network wide updates spec | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | I'm just worried about getting this dynamic-menus spec done, I'm afraid I'm not knowledgable enough right now to get a good draft | 02:11 |
| jsgotangco | was it reviewed? | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | once, in Paris | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | and then Corey thrashed it a bit earlier today :-) | 02:12 |
| jsgotangco | thats fine although your time is a bit limited already... | 02:13 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: i am not surprised | 02:14 |
| LaserJock | all the KDE stuff from aaron threw me off | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | it is quite nice admittedly | 02:14 |
| LaserJock | right, but we don't ship kiosktool in Edubuntu, right? | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | I can see were is somebody wants to use KDE + Edubuntu it makes sense that we reduce duplication, etc. | 02:16 |
| jsgotangco | no | 02:16 |
| jsgotangco | you really have to hack up sabayon just to make it happen | 02:17 |
| LaserJock | right | 02:17 |
| jsgotangco | because if you hardcode the menu structure, seb will be pissed off | 02:17 |
| LaserJock | right | 02:17 |
| LaserJock | but it still seems a bit odd to me to use sabayon to create group driven menus | 02:18 |
| LaserJock | it's quite overkill for a menu editor, although I was thinking that it might be handy to change more than just the menu by group | 02:20 |
| LaserJock | ok, so I have a few questions still | 02:22 |
| LaserJock | 1) should I just focus on shipping sabayon profiles and not worry about KDE right now? | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | well, actually that's sort of it | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | 2) are the "groups" from the normal *nix /etc/group or do we want a new file like what Aaron seemed to be talking about? | 02:27 |
| jsgotangco | its only KDE specific for that | 02:28 |
| LaserJock | 2)? | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | because they don't use /etc/group? | 02:31 |
| jsgotangco | i remeber vaguely its just a flat file and it looks like a bit like active directory | 02:31 |
| LaserJock | reminded me of a .desktop but yeah | 02:35 |
| Amaranth | LaserJock: Different menus for different groups? | 02:50 |
| Amaranth | Basically you need some way to set XDG_CONFIG_DIRS based on the group of the logged in user (then gnome-menus will load the applications.menu and etc for that group) and some extension of alacarte or something to modify "root" menus for the different groups. | 02:51 |
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| LaserJock | Amaranth: I'm not sure if it's that easy for us or not | 03:04 |
| HedgeMage | hi guys | 03:05 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | hi bddebian | 03:59 |
| bddebian | Heya jsgotangco | 04:00 |
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| mhz | hi all | 04:54 |
| bddebian | Hello mhz | 04:59 |
| mhz | bddebian: hi there | 05:00 |
| jsgotangco | mhz: mauricio! | 05:01 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: jerome! | 05:01 |
| mhz | :) | 05:01 |
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| jsgotangco | yukkkk | 05:01 |
| jsgotangco | its the most unnatural irc client out there | 05:02 |
| === mhz does tries to use only shipped apps | ||
| jsgotangco | yeah i hear ya | 05:02 |
| jsgotangco | but irssi is also shipped | 05:02 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 05:02 |
| mhz | is it? | 05:02 |
| mhz | xterm!! | 05:02 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 05:03 |
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| mhz_ | mhz: hi there from irssi | 05:04 |
| mhz | hehe | 05:05 |
| mhz | it does work | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | of course | 05:05 |
| mhz | yeah, but i never tried it before | 05:05 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: you participate in a11y? | 05:06 |
| jsgotangco | yes but im no expert i just participate on tests | 05:06 |
| mhz | hmmm | 05:06 |
| jsgotangco | i dont think gaim is a11y friendly/compliant | 05:06 |
| mhz | I have VERY cool news and I dont know how to handle it | 05:06 |
| jsgotangco | from the looks of it | 05:06 |
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| sbalneav | Evening all | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | look for TheMuso, he's more adept into a11y and very much involved in it for ubuntu aside from heno | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | sbalneav: scotty! | 05:07 |
| sbalneav | hey hey hey jsgotangco!! | 05:07 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: oh, thx | 05:07 |
| mhz | evening sbalneav | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | mhz: there's going to be a very interesting a11y feature for edgy... | 05:08 |
| mhz_ | mhz: hi there from irssi | 05:08 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: which is...? (i apologize but last 3 weeks were terribly hectic | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | SpeakUp | 05:09 |
| mhz | hmmm | 05:09 |
| mhz | interesting | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | TheMuso is sight-impaired so he knows the issues very well | 05:10 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: got any videos of henrik programming or working on web mastering stuff? | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | nope | 05:10 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: i have been invited to do an edubuntu demo tomorrow morning, at the Teleton Institute (Institute that helps children or anyone to walk again, to start using new arms, etc. | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | that is awesome! | 05:11 |
| mhz | if they like base edubuntu demo, I'll be asked to demo a11y stuff | 05:11 |
| mhz | I AM TERRIFIED | 05:12 |
| mhz | if this really works... it will mean to implement edubuntu + a11y labs all over Chile | 05:12 |
| mhz | about 13 region | 05:12 |
| mhz | s | 05:12 |
| mhz | it is not huge amount of computers BUT it is huge load of work | 05:13 |
| mhz | they were very impressed by FET demos | 05:13 |
| mhz | it is a pity TheMuso could not come to Chile for FET (yeah, Paris was mor eimportant of course) | 05:14 |
| mhz | I now have zero clue how to demo anything related to a11y | 05:14 |
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| highvoltage | Burgwork: pong | 08:38 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: well hey | 08:39 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: when is a good time to talk about an edubuntu case study. I don't have a list of questions but shall we do it via email? | 08:41 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: edubuntu or tuxlabs? | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: edubuntu in the tuxlabs | 08:43 |
| highvoltage | i think if it's edubuntu, it should include ogra and rodarvus and richardw | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | a case study is a story about how you deployed Edubuntu and why you did so | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | designed to be read by policy makers | 08:44 |
| highvoltage | ok, we're moving this week, but i'll have some computer time | 08:44 |
| highvoltage | when are good times for you, are you around 16:00 UTC? | 08:44 |
| Burgundavia | that is pretty early | 08:44 |
| highvoltage | anything after 19:00 UTC? | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | why don't I send you a list of questions by email and we can do it each on our own time | 08:45 |
| highvoltage | ok, that sounds good. | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | ZA to CA is pretty hard. Makes it hard to contact that part of my family | 08:45 |
| highvoltage | yep :/ | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | however, I don't have an email for you | 08:46 |
| highvoltage | you can send me a few questions at a time too, or as they pop up, no rush | 08:46 |
| highvoltage | i just received a nice article i can give you... just a few secs... | 08:46 |
| Burgundavia | i will bang something out now and then see what I can do | 08:47 |
| highvoltage | http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/tuxlabs.pdf | 08:48 |
| Burgundavia | that is great. I can glean a great deal from that | 08:50 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: initial questions sent | 08:53 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/jonathan.pdf | 08:55 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: I have to crash. if you didn't get that email I just sent you, ping Burgwork | 08:59 |
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| === cbx33 has failed | ||
| cbx33 | one machine generates an X error when running gnome-window-decorator | 09:44 |
| cbx33 | the other can't install compiz | 09:44 |
| cbx33 | because of a libsvg-cairo dependency error | 09:44 |
| cbx33 | :( | 09:44 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: we don't have pity for people with XGL problems in this channel! go to #ubuntu with your XGL problems! | 09:46 |
| highvoltage | </ogra mode> | 09:46 |
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| jsgotangco | XGL/Compiz? go away! | 10:17 |
| === jsgotangco smiles | ||
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: ping? | 10:17 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: pong! | 10:19 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: how open are you to becoming a jet-setting open source developer and talk to some lowly brown natives somewhere in the islands of the pacific | 10:20 |
| jsgotangco | (don't mind the other stuff im just jesting) | 10:22 |
| jsgotangco | (obviously) | 10:22 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: there's no such a thing as lowly brown natives in my book ;) | 10:22 |
| jsgotangco | a week before LCA2007 | 10:23 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: i'm not sure i'm following you | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | actually a few days before LCA | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: im sourcing for speakers | 10:23 |
| highvoltage | LCA is in January right? | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 10:24 |
| highvoltage | i think that might be a quiet time for us, so i'm quite open to the idea. | 10:24 |
| jsgotangco | yeah well, we're currently arranging stuff this early on so we know the timeline | 10:25 |
| highvoltage | good idea. some people have learned the hard way that arranging this kind of thing last-minute isn't a good idea. | 10:27 |
| jsgotangco | especially if you're going to expect a 15+ hour flight ;) | 10:29 |
| === jsgotangco will savour the moment he sees highvoltage collapse in jetlag and humidity | ||
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: revenge is best served cold ;) | 10:31 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 10:31 |
| jsgotangco | have you experienced subzero before? | 10:31 |
| highvoltage | no, i haven't. | 10:31 |
| highvoltage | the coldest i remember is 2 degrees celsius | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | fun | 10:33 |
| Yagisan | oh. people are going to LCA2007 ? | 10:43 |
| === Yagisan should make an effort to meet other #edubuntu people then | ||
| jsgotangco | im going for sure | 10:45 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: then it will be nice to meet you :) | 10:48 |
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| elbixio | hello everybody, i downloaded the live cd of edubuntu 6 because i'm planning to teach how to use it in my next semester course | 10:54 |
| elbixio | i noticed the live version runs kind of slow because our lab cdroms | 10:54 |
| elbixio | and i was wondering, could the LTSP approach help, asuming i could get a nice server | 10:55 |
| highvoltage | live cd's generally tend to be slower than an installed system. | 10:55 |
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| highvoltage | RAM is often a bigger cause than the speed of the drive, since a live CD consumes quite a bit of memory. | 10:56 |
| elbixio | highvoltage, the problem is that our lab admin doesn't want to install it | 10:56 |
| highvoltage | what's the specifications of the machines? | 10:56 |
| elbixio | intel pentium 4 2.2 GHz processors | 10:56 |
| elbixio | 256 DDR RAM | 10:56 |
| highvoltage | do you have another machine lying around? | 10:56 |
| elbixio | for the LTSP approach? | 10:57 |
| highvoltage | what you could do, even though it won't be edubuntu, is to install knoppix on an old machine, and use knoppix-terminal-server | 10:57 |
| elbixio | i see | 10:57 |
| highvoltage | it will run a full system on all your machines, as apposed to LTSP. | 10:57 |
| highvoltage | you could do LTSP with Edubuntu too, if you have a very powerful server. | 10:57 |
| highvoltage | LTSP needs a strong server, where knoppix-terminal-server needs strong clients (like the ones you have) | 10:58 |
| elbixio | what specs do u recommend to have a "powerful server"? | 10:58 |
| elbixio | :O | 10:58 |
| elbixio | so, i install knoppix-terminal-server in an average pc and run the regular knoppix in my clients | 10:58 |
| elbixio | is that right? | 10:58 |
| highvoltage | for a thin client server, ideal would be 200MB RAM per client, fast disks (preferably SATA striped), at least two Xeon CPU's (or equivilant) per 30 PC's | 10:59 |
| === Yagisan suggests - depending on clients of course, amd64 (dual core if possible), ~ 256MB for base + ~ 32-64MB for each client | ||
| elbixio | regular knoppix -> live knoppix | 10:59 |
| highvoltage | although you could get away with less too. | 10:59 |
| highvoltage | elbixio: yes, that's right | 10:59 |
| Yagisan | but it works with less | 10:59 |
| highvoltage | although that installed knoppix would basically be a debian system, and you could just apt-get install the software that you could find in edubuntu as well. | 11:00 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: 32-64MB per client isn't enought when running gnome or kde though :/ | 11:00 |
| elbixio | my personal pc has a debian system installed and has a 3.2 GHz proccesor and 1 GB of RAM | 11:01 |
| elbixio | i'll have about 10 clients | 11:01 |
| elbixio | would that be enough for the knoppix approach? | 11:01 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: I found it worked ok for me, but I use a smaller selection of applications, so I might be too conservative on ram | 11:02 |
| highvoltage | elbixio: for the knoppix terminal server, you don't need a very powerful server, for that your personal pc is more than powerful enough | 11:02 |
| elbixio | :O | 11:02 |
| elbixio | so my clients will run knoppix (still from cd), but the response times will get better, right? | 11:03 |
| highvoltage | yes | 11:04 |
| spacey | i think you would need more ram for 10 clients :o | 11:04 |
| highvoltage | spacey: not with a fat client server ;) | 11:04 |
| spacey | oh | 11:04 |
| spacey | true | 11:04 |
| highvoltage | spacey: on knoppix-terminal-server, the workstations will use local memory | 11:04 |
| spacey | ugh | 11:04 |
| spacey | why | 11:04 |
| elbixio | highvoltage, is it possible to do it without knoppix terminal server and use debian etch instead? | 11:04 |
| spacey | and whats terminal server about that | 11:05 |
| elbixio | and the clients still run knoppix? | 11:05 |
| highvoltage | elbixio: i think so, you could probably add the knoppix repository to your sources.list and apt-get install knoppix-terminal-server, but i haven't tried that yet | 11:05 |
| elbixio | highvoltage, ok | 11:05 |
| highvoltage | elbixio: yes, they will basically run knoppix | 11:05 |
| elbixio | highvoltage, i thank u a lot for the info man | 11:06 |
| elbixio | i'll try to look for more info :) | 11:06 |
| highvoltage | spacey: it's propably not 'terminal server' in the strictest sense, but at least your workstations are diskless :) | 11:06 |
| highvoltage | elbixio: if you have to time, take some time to play around a little, there's lots of cool stuff you could do in a lab with such powerful workstations :) | 11:06 |
| elbixio | :O | 11:07 |
| elbixio | even in a live way right? | 11:07 |
| spacey | highvoltage: play games? ;o | 11:07 |
| highvoltage | spacey: yes. especially that. | 11:08 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 11:09 |
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| elbixio | highvoltage, look from the knoppix site: "In fact, one of the things I like the most is the Knoppix terminal server, I like it so much that I set it up on my main Debian server so that I can start Knoppix out of the net whenever I want, and it really rocks." | 11:10 |
| elbixio | highvoltage, maybe it's possible to use my own computer for testing :) | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | mornin all | 11:13 |
| cbx33 | anyone got xgl working yet? | 11:13 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: many people have :) | 11:14 |
| cbx33 | :( - havn't | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | compiz.real: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work. | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | trying to run in a nested X | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | if I try to run gnome-window-decorator in my default display it logs me out | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | AUDIT: Tue Jul 4 09:46:34 2006: 9044 X: client 3 rejected from local host | 11:16 |
| cbx33 | with that message | 11:16 |
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| neopsyche | hello | 02:02 |
| neopsyche | can anyone help me with myh mouse:? | 02:02 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 02:51 |
| pygi | hey jsgotangco | 02:51 |
| jsgotangco | hello pygi | 02:51 |
| pygi | what's up? :) | 02:51 |
| jsgotangco | oh i just arrived home, i had a long day at work | 02:52 |
| pygi | ah | 02:53 |
| jsgotangco | pretty much tired at the moment, will just have a quick dinner then will start cracking up on some ubuntu work | 02:53 |
| jsgotangco | pygi: how many people are developing diva besides yourself? | 03:03 |
| pygi | jsgotangco, 3 | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 03:04 |
| pygi | why do you ask? | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | just wondering =) | 03:04 |
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| highvoltage | anyone around who can help me with pmount and permissions? | 03:12 |
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| ajay1 | hi guys | 03:58 |
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| tuxrobot | hi pygi | 04:05 |
| tuxrobot | hey Yagisan | 04:05 |
| tuxrobot | hey sankarshan | 04:05 |
| sankarshan | hey tuxrobot | 04:05 |
| tuxrobot | sankarshan: u indian? | 04:05 |
| pygi | tuxrobot, do I know you? :P | 04:05 |
| pygi | hi hi | 04:05 |
| sankarshan | i human | 04:06 |
| tuxrobot | pygi: u do :P ajayc | 04:06 |
| tuxrobot | sankarshan: obviously :p we cant have martians here | 04:06 |
| sankarshan | i could be martian too | 04:06 |
| tuxrobot | lmao | 04:07 |
| sankarshan | but tomorrow | 04:07 |
| tuxrobot | sankarshan: seriously are u indian? | 04:07 |
| tuxrobot | ok leave it | 04:08 |
| tuxrobot | p | 04:08 |
| tuxrobot | pygi: what time is the meeting on wednesday? | 04:08 |
| pygi | tuxrobot, what meeting? | 04:08 |
| tuxrobot | pygi: i was told there is a meeting here | 04:08 |
| pygi | all meetings occur in #ubuntu-meeting | 04:09 |
| pygi | fridge.ubuntu.com | 04:09 |
| tuxrobot | okies | 04:09 |
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| sbalneav | Good morning edubuntuoids | 04:16 |
| highvoltage | hi sbalneav! | 04:31 |
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| === Yagisan feels awful | ||
| sbalneav | ogra!! | 04:42 |
| ogra | hey | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | ogra!! | 04:42 |
| ogra | i'm quite criplled atm | 04:42 |
| ogra | *crippled | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | wha? | 04:43 |
| ogra | dont upgrade to edgy if you own an ibook | 04:43 |
| ogra | seems there is no way to get the keyboard working | 04:43 |
| sbalneav | Humm | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | i dont have an ibook | 04:43 |
| ogra | gnome-panel bursts to eat 65% CPU | 04:43 |
| ogra | the app menu doesnt work anymore | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | beautiful | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | its really edgy! | 04:44 |
| ogra | and my beuatiful sllep light on the ibook turned into a HD indicator | 04:44 |
| === ogra curses SUN usb keyboards | ||
| jsgotangco | lol i dont even have enough machines to upgrade to edgy | 04:45 |
| Yagisan | sounds like fun | 04:46 |
| pygi | jsgotangco, ur production machine, production one :) | 04:46 |
| sbalneav | ogra: sounds like you're up to your butt in alligators today. I won't bug you about ltsp stuff then :) | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | hah no way | 04:46 |
| === Yagisan upgraded his production box to dapper. It fell over and didn't want to get up after that | ||
| ogra | pygi, well, its somewhat needed to have your devleopment machine running what you develop :) i cant get around it ... | 04:47 |
| pygi | ogra, I agree :) | 04:47 |
| === jsgotangco ponders if he should dual boot | ||
| ogra | sbalneav, just ask ... i'm just typing a bit slower (and have only one mouse button without the built in keyboard) | 04:48 |
| sbalneav | I sent you an email the other day. I'm to the point where I'm ready to do a "build" of MueKow. | 04:48 |
| pygi | : | 04:48 |
| === Yagisan notes, with that being the case perhaps he should use windows and not wine to develop windows build scripts, but decides not to anyway | ||
| sbalneav | No rush, though. | 04:49 |
| ogra | so first update the changelog with dch -i | 04:49 |
| ogra | (while being in the source tree) | 04:49 |
| ogra | make some funny changelog entry and save that file | 04:49 |
| ogra | (thats necessary to have a higher version so apt doesnt complain about your package) | 04:51 |
| sbalneav | dch I don't seem to have. | 04:52 |
| sbalneav | Is it part of pbuilder? | 04:52 |
| ogra | nope | 04:53 |
| ogra | its part of the devscripts package | 04:53 |
| sbalneav | ah, ok, installing | 04:53 |
| ogra | you will need that to build packages | 04:53 |
| ogra | woah, thats annoying, i always type on the wrong keyboard | 04:53 |
| sbalneav | ok, got it. | 04:54 |
| ogra | good | 04:55 |
| ogra | it will care for the right5 format of your entries etc | 04:55 |
| sbalneav | Done. Funny changelog entered. | 04:55 |
| ogra | ok | 04:55 |
| ogra | now you run: dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa | 04:55 |
| ogra | oh and you need to make sure that the mailaddress and name you used in your entry is a valid one from your gpg keyring | 04:56 |
| ogra | other people might use debuild -S -sa btw | 04:57 |
| ogra | there are more than one way to rome ;) | 04:57 |
| sbalneav | ok, gonna try it now. | 04:57 |
| ogra | i' | 04:58 |
| ogra | m trying some kernel modules for the keyboard | 04:58 |
| ogra | might be that i hardlock my machine | 04:59 |
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| cbx33 | hi all | 05:06 |
| cbx33 | how do I add more keyboard layouts to gnome | 05:07 |
| cbx33 | it says mine is unknown etc | 05:07 |
| cbx33 | I think cos I did a reconfigure on Xorg | 05:07 |
| cbx33 | and I need it to be gb, cos it hasn't picked up the sindows key properly | 05:07 |
| ogra | lucky you ... others dont eve have a keyboard the system could complain about :P | 05:07 |
| cbx33 | :S? | 05:08 |
| cbx33 | sorry | 05:08 |
| cbx33 | :( | 05:08 |
| cbx33 | do you know how to add the gb layout ? | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | hahaha | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | errmm...System->Preferences->Keyboard? | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 05:09 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: I would except | 05:09 |
| cbx33 | ther eare no layouts in stalled there | 05:09 |
| cbx33 | the list is blank | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | nothign when you add? | 05:10 |
| === ogra doesnt have a panel to verify :P | ||
| cbx33 | nope | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | strange | 05:10 |
| cbx33 | a totally blank list | 05:10 |
| cbx33 | yup that's what I thought | 05:10 |
| cbx33 | I'm not that stupid :p | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | who said you are? | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | don't be so defensive im just trying to help thank you | 05:11 |
| ogra | did you install the whole set of langpacks through the language selector ? | 05:11 |
| ogra | it has a row for input stuff | 05:11 |
| cbx33 | nope | 05:11 |
| ogra | look if the checkmark is set there | 05:11 |
| cbx33 | how do i do that? | 05:11 |
| cbx33 | language support? | 05:11 |
| ogra | there is a menu entry in the admin menu | 05:12 |
| cbx33 | ok | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | :P | 05:12 |
| cbx33 | it's not in language support | 05:12 |
| ogra | as i said, i only have an xchat, terminal and firefox window here, panel doesnt work atm | 05:12 |
| cbx33 | ok | 05:12 |
| ogra | cant check or verify | 05:12 |
| cbx33 | ok | 05:12 |
| cbx33 | ogra: language selector in the future will have keyboard support | 05:15 |
| cbx33 | just read the paris summit baout it | 05:15 |
| ogra | it has input support since breezy | 05:15 |
| cbx33 | not here, but ok, I'll keep loking | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | go bzr go | 05:18 |
| cbx33 | oh btw ogra I have my edubuntu server at home now | 05:23 |
| cbx33 | so I should be able to start writing the stuff for scp | 05:23 |
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| jsgotangco | goodnight | 05:58 |
| Amaranth | *sigh* | 05:59 |
| Amaranth | This must be Tuesday. I never could get the hang of Tuesdays. | 05:59 |
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| jsgotangco | ogra: is there like a webpage we go to as SoC mentors to evaluate the student? | 07:06 |
| ogra | yes, but dont ask me about the url .... | 07:07 |
| jsgotangco | *sigh* | 07:11 |
| ogra | well, i have some major probs getting to my mail atm ... | 07:17 |
| ogra | evo seems to have forgotten all my passwords ... so have i .... | 07:17 |
| jsgotangco | dont worry, i got it from riddell | 07:18 |
| jsgotangco | thanks | 07:18 |
| ogra | and the little sheet where i noted them down is outside in a box in the van | 07:18 |
| ogra | below ~15 other boxes :) | 07:18 |
| DanielC | ogra: Do you have a backup of $HOME? | 07:19 |
| ogra | DanielC, sure, but evo seems to store the pw's differently now | 07:20 |
| DanielC | :( | 07:20 |
| ogra | (and the tapes are in another box in the van anyway) | 07:20 |
| DanielC | van? Are you moving? | 07:20 |
| ogra | yeps | 07:20 |
| DanielC | Ok. | 07:20 |
| ogra | since more than a month i'm slowly moving all my stuff across the country whenever i have time left | 07:21 |
| ogra | takes quite some time ... | 07:21 |
| === DanielC wonders what people say when someone moves to a new place... "good luck"? | ||
| jsgotangco | change is good | 07:21 |
| ogra | well | 07:21 |
| ogra | it has its advatages and disadvantages | 07:21 |
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| pharmakom | Grr....Dapper Edubuntu install is crashing when it gets to configuring LTSP. Anyone seen this problem before? | 07:29 |
| DanielC | Define "crash"? | 07:30 |
| DanielC | Do you get a black screen with two white squares? | 07:30 |
| pharmakom | Yes. | 07:30 |
| pharmakom | Exactly. | 07:30 |
| DanielC | It's a problem with X. | 07:30 |
| pharmakom | Resolution? | 07:30 |
| DanielC | This is the best you can do: | 07:30 |
| DanielC | 1) Install first as Workstation. | 07:30 |
| DanielC | It will still break X, but don't worry... | 07:30 |
| DanielC | the installer keeps working, even if you don't see it. | 07:30 |
| DanielC | wait until the CD pops out | 07:31 |
| DanielC | (may need to press Enter once or twice, but I doubt it) | 07:31 |
| DanielC | take out the CD and press Enter | 07:31 |
| DanielC | this reboots the computer normally. | 07:31 |
| DanielC | When it reboots, X will work as it should. | 07:31 |
| DanielC | So you can then proceed to install the LTSP part. | 07:31 |
| pharmakom | This solution doesn't work if I try it with regular install? | 07:31 |
| DanielC | The problem with doing this with the LTSP install is that after the X11 part Edubuntu asks a few questions. | 07:32 |
| DanielC | And you can't see them. | 07:32 |
| pharmakom | Ah. | 07:32 |
| pharmakom | Thanks, I'll give it a try. | 07:32 |
| DanielC | You can guess that I was hit by the same bug... | 07:33 |
| pharmakom | Yeah, I'm just glad that you got a work around! | 07:33 |
| DanielC | :) | 07:33 |
| pharmakom | I had a server up and running and it was distributing DHCP addresses alright to the lab but the tftp was timing out. Any suggestions on that front? | 07:34 |
| DanielC | No idea. | 07:34 |
| DanielC | I don't know tftp from an oak tree. | 07:34 |
| pharmakom | One step at a time, I guess. :P | 07:34 |
| pharmakom | I think one gives you nuts and the other gives you kernels but that's as far as I've gotten. | 07:35 |
| pharmakom | Or in my case, it doesn't. | 07:35 |
| pharmakom | But I think it should. | 07:35 |
| jsgotangco | goodnight | 07:37 |
| DanielC | night | 07:38 |
| ogra | DanielC, apparentlyx its enough to select another video mode at the CD bootscreen :) | 07:43 |
| ogra | no need to fly blind | 07:44 |
| DanielC | ogra: Is it? | 07:44 |
| DanielC | ogra: That's better... | 07:44 |
| DanielC | I had to fly blind when I did it... | 07:44 |
| ogra | thats what i heard from a handfull reliable sources, must not mean it works on every system, but its very likely | 07:44 |
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| pharmakom | Hrm...something to consider. | 07:45 |
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| pygi | ogra, poke? :) | 08:13 |
| ogra | pygi, yes ? | 08:13 |
| pygi | Nothing important, but just noticed I wasnt approved for e-m :P | 08:14 |
| ogra | e-m ? | 08:14 |
| pygi | edubuntu members ^^ | 08:14 |
| ogra | oh ? | 08:14 |
| DanielC | what's an edubuntu member? | 08:15 |
| ogra | fixed, sorry, my fault | 08:16 |
| pygi | ogra, no worries ^^ | 08:16 |
| ogra | DanielC, same as an ubuntu member :) | 08:16 |
| DanielC | :) | 08:16 |
| ogra | but applied for membership at the edubuntu council instead of the community council | 08:17 |
| DanielC | Do edubuntu members get anything that other people don't? | 08:17 |
| ogra | and with an edubuntu.org mailaddress | 08:17 |
| pygi | DanielC, we get teddybear :P | 08:17 |
| DanielC | heh :) | 08:17 |
| DanielC | How do I apply to become one? | 08:17 |
| ogra | heh, yes, install xteddy and run it :) | 08:17 |
| ogra | teddy for free | 08:17 |
| DanielC | :) | 08:17 |
| DanielC | what does one have to do to become an edubuntu member? | 08:18 |
| DanielC | upload patches? | 08:18 |
| pygi | ogra, about the kdeedu stuff... | 08:18 |
| ogra | apply for membership here: https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members/+join | 08:18 |
| DanielC | *click* | 08:18 |
| ogra | and you need the same prerequisites a ubuntu member needs | 08:18 |
| pygi | If you would be willing to write detailed spec of what exactly we want, I could tackle writing applications that should replace kdeedu for edgy+1 | 08:19 |
| ogra | i.e. sustained valuable contribution | 08:19 |
| DanielC | ogra: Ok... | 08:19 |
| ogra | being around for some time ... | 08:19 |
| ogra | working with the community etc ... everything counts | 08:19 |
| DanielC | Well, I haven't really done anything... so I guess I'll have to wait. | 08:19 |
| ogra | you wrote howtos and wiki pages :) | 08:19 |
| DanielC | :) | 08:20 |
| ogra | thats already a valuable contribution :) even though a small one | 08:20 |
| DanielC | Ok... | 08:20 |
| DanielC | so a few more of those and I can get a "member" badge? | 08:20 |
| ogra | yeps | 08:20 |
| DanielC | cool | 08:20 |
| === pygi isn't quite sure ogra has time for that tho :P | ||
| ogra | pygi, what about it ? | 08:21 |
| ogra | we have space atm ... | 08:21 |
| pygi | right, but not enough time for me to write complete replacement for kdeedu | 08:21 |
| DanielC | I'll give a presentation on Edubuntu at the end of the month, at the UK FLOSSIE conference (FLOSS In Education). Does that count? | 08:21 |
| pygi | features freeze is in a month | 08:21 |
| ogra | yeah, trime is short in edgy | 08:21 |
| ogra | DanielC, well, sure, but its hardly measurable ... | 08:22 |
| DanielC | Ok. | 08:22 |
| pygi | ogra, as I said, if you can write a detailed spec on what you want to see, I can tackle writing entire replacement | 08:22 |
| DanielC | So measurable is good... | 08:22 |
| pygi | then we are sure we will have a solid and good replacement :) | 08:22 |
| ogra | preferably we like measurable contributions ... many karma points in LP are impressing for example :) | 08:22 |
| DanielC | ok... | 08:22 |
| ogra | a good documented wikipage that lists your conmtributions as well :) | 08:23 |
| DanielC | but you get karma points for things like filing bug reports. | 08:23 |
| pygi | DanielC, cheerleaders :) | 08:23 |
| DanielC | heh | 08:23 |
| ogra | ysep | 08:23 |
| ogra | and for solving bugs | 08:23 |
| ogra | and for translations :) | 08:23 |
| DanielC | I'll be a "member" one day. It'll just take me time... | 08:24 |
| DanielC | I'm already over-committed. | 08:24 |
| DanielC | The only reason I can spend time on Edubuntu as it is is that my employer lets me do that during work hours because it's relevant to my work. | 08:24 |
| ogra | get your openoffice package into edgy... | 08:24 |
| ogra | thats a major contribution ;) | 08:24 |
| DanielC | Is it? It's just a user guide... | 08:25 |
| ogra | sure, but its helping the community | 08:25 |
| DanielC | Ok... I did write much of it... but I wasn't thinking of Ubuntu when I did... | 08:25 |
| DanielC | :-) | 08:25 |
| DanielC | Ok, I'll get the user guides into edgy (there are 4 published ones). | 08:26 |
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| juliux | hi DanielC | 08:44 |
| DanielC | hi | 08:44 |
| juliux | DanielC, no notebooks for you | 08:44 |
| DanielC | ? | 08:44 |
| juliux | DanielC, they have to ask usa | 08:44 |
| DanielC | what? | 08:44 |
| juliux | but usa said no they need the notebooks | 08:44 |
| juliux | no reason | 08:44 |
| juliux | its a usa company | 08:44 |
| DanielC | So we can't get the notebooks? | 08:45 |
| juliux | and they mean that it could happen that they need the notebooks in the future | 08:45 |
| juliux | but nobody belives that | 08:45 |
| DanielC | Have you said this to Ian? He was going down tomorrow to pick them up... | 08:45 |
| DanielC | juliux: Can they "lend" the notebooks to a school and if they need them get them back? | 08:49 |
| juliux | i didnt get an e-mail from ian | 08:49 |
| DanielC | sigh | 08:49 |
| DanielC | Ok, I'll talk to Ian when he gets back. | 08:50 |
| juliux | i allways said that i have to backcheck it with usa | 08:50 |
| juliux | they said that there have to be in the company | 08:50 |
| === DanielC wonders how Ian was planning to pick up the notebooks without talking to anyone. | ||
| juliux | he also has no address | 08:51 |
| DanielC | What do you mean? | 08:51 |
| DanielC | Ah, he doesn't know where to go. | 08:51 |
| DanielC | Since he said he was going tomorrow I assumed he had talked to you (obviously he'd need an address...) | 08:51 |
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| Zoba | Hello | 08:52 |
| juliux | no he did not talked with me | 08:52 |
| DanielC | ok | 08:52 |
| highvoltage | heh, it looks funny to see someone approved as member with the comment "whoops, sorry" :) | 09:19 |
| juliux | hehe | 09:21 |
| juliux | highvoltage, which time is the meeting tommorow? | 09:23 |
| highvoltage | juliux: 20:00 UTC | 09:24 |
| juliux | highvoltage, ah that is good | 09:24 |
| juliux | so i have a chance to be there | 09:24 |
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| highvoltage | these late meetings used to be tough for me, but these days it's working better for me | 09:25 |
| Amaranth | anyone here know iptables? | 09:25 |
| bddebian | Hello | 09:25 |
| juliux | Amaranth, a little bit | 09:25 |
| bddebian | Amaranth: Yeah, iptables --flush ;-) | 09:25 |
| Amaranth | ook, i don't have an updated meeting calendar | 09:26 |
| Amaranth | trying to setup transparent proxying | 09:26 |
| Amaranth | sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8008 | 09:27 |
| Amaranth | seems to do nothing | 09:27 |
| juliux | highvoltage, have i also to add me to the edubuntu wiki meeting site? | 09:28 |
| Amaranth | tech board meeting in 30 minutes? | 09:28 |
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| DanielC | juliux: You said that the company would not be willing to *lend* the laptops? | 10:08 |
| DanielC | juliux: ie. you'd still own them, and get them back whenever you want... | 10:09 |
| juliux | DanielC, i know but it is a very strange company, there are a lot of things i dont understand but i am only for an internship there | 10:09 |
| DanielC | ok | 10:10 |
| juliux | DanielC, there are not real informatics only windows users | 10:10 |
| DanielC | juliux: I just wanted to check that I had understood right. | 10:10 |
| juliux | DanielC, there is no understanding on IT, they know where they have to kilck on windows that it is working | 10:10 |
| Burgwork | Amaranth, how goes your content filter? | 10:17 |
| Amaranth | Burgwork: no progress in about 2 weeks | 10:18 |
| Burgwork | Amaranth, ah, I see. Got a name chosen? | 10:18 |
| Amaranth | nope | 10:18 |
| LaserJock | go rodarvus go! | 10:18 |
| rodarvus | haha :) | 10:19 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, what is he doing now? | 10:20 |
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| LaserJock | Burgwork: going for core-dev | 10:20 |
| Amaranth | rodarvus: i noticed you subscribed to my willow spec | 10:20 |
| rodarvus | Amaranth, indeed | 10:21 |
| Amaranth | the spec doesn't reflect what i'm actually doing | 10:21 |
| rodarvus | and whats the current status of willow? | 10:23 |
| Amaranth | the willow proxy software is...annoying | 10:25 |
| Amaranth | willowng (what i'm actually working on) is actually already working | 10:25 |
| Amaranth | bzr branch http://dev.realistanew.com/willowng/ | 10:27 |
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| jmredlinks | hola | 12:11 |
| mhz | holas, jmredlinks ` | 12:12 |
| mhz | bienvenido al canal de Edubuntu | 12:12 |
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