[01:44] <LaserJock> hmm, so what happens to specs that aren't approved by the deadline? are they defered to edgy+1?
[01:46] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[01:46] <jsgotangco> good morning
[01:46] <Amaranth> LaserJock: You can still do them.
[01:46] <crimsun> they're sent down the TUBES OF INTERNET HELL.   http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/?entry_id=1512499
[01:46] <Amaranth> LaserJock: the approved specs are just "we want this done"
[01:47] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i heard this strange news today regarding a candidacy in Nevada
[01:47] <LaserJock> oh really?
[01:48] <jsgotangco> yeah former adult movie star
[01:49] <LaserJock> hmm, haven't heard about that, but wouldn't doubt it, a adult movie star ran for govenor of California not long ago :-)
[01:49] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: http://mimi4governor.com/
[01:51] <LaserJock> hmm, somehow I just don't think I'll be voting for her ;-)
[01:51] <jsgotangco> lol
[01:51] <jsgotangco> i just heard it from the local news because she's filipina by birth and was an immigrant so...
[01:51] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:52] <LaserJock> I see
[01:52] <LaserJock> I wondered
[01:55] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:56] <LaserJock> I haven't really paid much attention to the races here, although the billboard signs are starting to pop up all over the place
[02:10] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: specs can be picked up and work on by anyone. In fact, our open spec engine makes us completely unique among all distros
[02:10] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:11] <Burgundavia> that is why those brazilian guys are working on the network wide updates spec
[02:11] <LaserJock> I'm just worried about getting this dynamic-menus spec done, I'm afraid I'm not knowledgable enough right now to get a good draft
[02:12] <jsgotangco> was it reviewed?
[02:12] <LaserJock> once, in Paris
[02:12] <LaserJock> and then Corey thrashed it a bit earlier today :-)
[02:13] <jsgotangco> thats fine although your time is a bit limited already...
[02:14] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i am not surprised
[02:14] <LaserJock> all the KDE stuff from aaron threw me off
[02:14] <jsgotangco> it is quite nice admittedly
[02:15] <LaserJock> right, but we don't ship kiosktool in Edubuntu, right?
[02:16] <LaserJock> I can see were is somebody wants to use KDE + Edubuntu it makes sense that we reduce duplication, etc.
[02:16] <jsgotangco> no
[02:17] <jsgotangco> you really have to hack up sabayon just to make it happen
[02:17] <LaserJock> right
[02:17] <jsgotangco> because if you hardcode the menu structure, seb will be pissed off
[02:17] <LaserJock> right
[02:18] <LaserJock> but it still seems a bit odd to me to use sabayon to create group driven menus
[02:20] <LaserJock> it's quite overkill for a menu editor, although I was thinking that it might be handy to change more than just the menu by group
[02:22] <LaserJock> ok, so I have a few questions still
[02:23] <LaserJock> 1) should I just focus on shipping sabayon profiles and not worry about KDE right now?
[02:23] <LaserJock> well, actually that's sort of it
[02:27] <LaserJock> 2) are the "groups" from the normal *nix /etc/group or do we want a new file like what Aaron seemed to be talking about?
[02:28] <jsgotangco> its only KDE specific for that
[02:30] <LaserJock> 2)?
[02:31] <LaserJock> because they don't use /etc/group?
[02:31] <jsgotangco> i remeber vaguely its just a flat file and it looks like a bit like active directory
[02:35] <LaserJock> reminded me of a .desktop but yeah
[02:50] <Amaranth> LaserJock: Different menus for different groups?
[02:51] <Amaranth> Basically you need some way to set XDG_CONFIG_DIRS based on the group of the logged in user (then gnome-menus will load the applications.menu and etc for that group) and some extension of alacarte or something to modify "root" menus for the different groups.
[03:04] <LaserJock> Amaranth: I'm not sure if it's that easy for us or not
[03:05] <HedgeMage> hi guys
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya
[03:59] <jsgotangco> hi bddebian
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[04:54] <mhz> hi all
[04:59] <bddebian> Hello mhz
[05:00] <mhz> bddebian: hi there
[05:01] <jsgotangco> mhz: mauricio!
[05:01] <mhz> jsgotangco: jerome!
[05:01] <mhz> :)
[05:01] <jsgotangco> yukkkk
[05:02] <jsgotangco> its the most unnatural irc client out there
[05:02] <jsgotangco> yeah i hear ya
[05:02] <jsgotangco> but irssi is also shipped
[05:02] <jsgotangco> :D
[05:02] <mhz> is it?
[05:02] <mhz> xterm!!
[05:03] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:04] <mhz_> mhz: hi there from irssi
[05:05] <mhz> hehe
[05:05] <mhz> it does work
[05:05] <jsgotangco> of course
[05:05] <mhz> yeah, but i never tried it before
[05:06] <mhz> jsgotangco: you participate in a11y?
[05:06] <jsgotangco> yes but im no expert i just participate on tests
[05:06] <mhz> hmmm
[05:06] <jsgotangco> i dont think gaim is a11y friendly/compliant
[05:06] <mhz> I have VERY cool news and I dont know how to handle it
[05:06] <jsgotangco> from the looks of it
[05:07] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:07] <jsgotangco> look for TheMuso, he's more adept into a11y and very much involved in it for ubuntu aside from heno
[05:07] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: scotty!
[05:07] <sbalneav> hey hey hey jsgotangco!!
[05:07] <mhz> jsgotangco: oh, thx
[05:07] <mhz> evening sbalneav
[05:08] <jsgotangco> mhz: there's going to be a very interesting a11y feature for edgy...
[05:08] <mhz_> mhz: hi there from irssi
[05:09] <mhz> jsgotangco: which is...? (i apologize but last 3 weeks were terribly hectic
[05:09] <jsgotangco> SpeakUp
[05:09] <mhz> hmmm
[05:09] <mhz> interesting
[05:10] <jsgotangco> TheMuso is sight-impaired so he knows the issues very well
[05:10] <mhz> jsgotangco: got any videos of henrik programming or working on web mastering stuff?
[05:10] <jsgotangco> nope
[05:11] <mhz> jsgotangco: i have been invited to do an edubuntu demo tomorrow morning, at the Teleton Institute (Institute that helps children or anyone to walk again, to start using new arms, etc.
[05:11] <jsgotangco> that is awesome!
[05:11] <mhz> if they like base edubuntu demo, I'll be asked to demo a11y stuff
[05:12] <mhz> I AM TERRIFIED
[05:12] <mhz> if this really works... it will mean to implement edubuntu + a11y labs all over Chile
[05:12] <mhz> about 13 region
[05:12] <mhz> s
[05:13] <mhz> it is not huge amount of computers BUT it is huge load of work
[05:13] <mhz> they were very impressed by FET demos
[05:14] <mhz> it is a pity TheMuso could not come to Chile for FET (yeah, Paris was mor eimportant of course)
[05:14] <mhz> I now have zero clue how to demo anything related to a11y
[05:52] <mhz_> exit
[08:38] <highvoltage> Burgwork: pong
[08:39] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: well hey
[08:41] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: when is a good time to talk about an edubuntu case study. I don't have a list of questions but shall we do it via email?
[08:43] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: edubuntu or tuxlabs?
[08:43] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: edubuntu in the tuxlabs
[08:43] <highvoltage> i think if it's edubuntu, it should include ogra and rodarvus and richardw
[08:43] <Burgundavia> a case study is a story about how you deployed Edubuntu and why you did so
[08:44] <Burgundavia> designed to be read by policy makers
[08:44] <highvoltage> ok, we're moving this week, but i'll have some computer time
[08:44] <highvoltage> when are good times for you, are you around 16:00 UTC?
[08:44] <Burgundavia> that is pretty early
[08:45] <highvoltage> anything after 19:00 UTC?
[08:45] <Burgundavia> why don't I send you a list of questions by email and we can do it each on our own time
[08:45] <highvoltage> ok, that sounds good.
[08:45] <Burgundavia> ZA to CA is pretty hard. Makes it hard to contact that part of my family
[08:45] <highvoltage> yep :/
[08:46] <Burgundavia> however, I don't have an email for you
[08:46] <highvoltage> you can send me a few questions at a time too, or as they pop up, no rush
[08:46] <highvoltage> i just received a nice article i can give you... just a few secs...
[08:47] <Burgundavia> i will bang something out now and then see what I can do
[08:48] <highvoltage> http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/tuxlabs.pdf
[08:50] <Burgundavia> that is great. I can glean a great deal from that
[08:53] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: initial questions sent
[08:55] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/jonathan.pdf
[08:59] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: I have to crash. if you didn't get that email I just sent you, ping Burgwork
[09:44] <cbx33> one machine generates an X error when running gnome-window-decorator
[09:44] <cbx33> the other can't install compiz
[09:44] <cbx33> because of a libsvg-cairo dependency error
[09:44] <cbx33> :(
[09:46] <highvoltage> cbx33: we don't have pity for people with XGL problems in this channel! go to #ubuntu with your XGL problems!
[09:46] <highvoltage> </ogra mode>
[10:17] <jsgotangco> XGL/Compiz? go away!
[10:17] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: ping?
[10:19] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: pong!
[10:20] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: how open are you to becoming a jet-setting open source developer and talk to some lowly brown natives somewhere in the islands of the pacific
[10:22] <jsgotangco> (don't mind the other stuff im just jesting)
[10:22] <jsgotangco> (obviously)
[10:22] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: there's no such a thing as lowly brown natives in my book ;)
[10:23] <jsgotangco> a week before LCA2007
[10:23] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i'm not sure i'm following you
[10:23] <jsgotangco> actually a few days before LCA
[10:23] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: im sourcing for speakers
[10:23] <highvoltage> LCA is in January right?
[10:24] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:24] <highvoltage> i think that might be a quiet time for us, so i'm quite open to the idea.
[10:25] <jsgotangco> yeah well, we're currently arranging stuff this early on so we know the timeline
[10:27] <highvoltage> good idea. some people have learned the hard way that arranging this kind of thing last-minute isn't a good idea.
[10:29] <jsgotangco> especially if you're going to expect a 15+ hour flight ;)
[10:31] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: revenge is best served cold ;)
[10:31] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:31] <jsgotangco> have you experienced subzero before?
[10:31] <highvoltage> no, i haven't.
[10:32] <highvoltage> the coldest i remember is 2 degrees celsius
[10:33] <jsgotangco> fun
[10:43] <Yagisan> oh. people are going to LCA2007 ?
[10:45] <jsgotangco> im going for sure
[10:48] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: then it will be nice to meet you :)
[10:54] <elbixio> hello everybody, i downloaded the live cd of edubuntu 6 because i'm planning to teach how to use it in my next semester course
[10:54] <elbixio> i noticed the live version runs kind of slow because our lab cdroms
[10:55] <elbixio> and i was wondering, could the LTSP approach help, asuming i could get a nice server
[10:55] <highvoltage> live cd's generally tend to be slower than an installed system.
[10:56] <highvoltage> RAM is often a bigger cause than the speed of the drive, since a live CD consumes quite a bit of memory.
[10:56] <elbixio> highvoltage, the problem is that our lab admin doesn't want to install it
[10:56] <highvoltage> what's the specifications of the machines?
[10:56] <elbixio> intel pentium 4 2.2 GHz processors
[10:56] <elbixio> 256 DDR RAM
[10:56] <highvoltage> do you have another machine lying around?
[10:57] <elbixio> for the LTSP approach?
[10:57] <highvoltage> what you could do, even though it won't be edubuntu, is to install knoppix on an old machine, and use knoppix-terminal-server
[10:57] <elbixio> i see
[10:57] <highvoltage> it will run a full system on all your machines, as apposed to LTSP.
[10:57] <highvoltage> you could do LTSP with Edubuntu too, if you have a very powerful server.
[10:58] <highvoltage> LTSP needs a strong server, where knoppix-terminal-server needs strong clients (like the ones you have)
[10:58] <elbixio> what specs do u recommend to have a "powerful server"?
[10:58] <elbixio> :O
[10:58] <elbixio> so, i install knoppix-terminal-server in an average pc and run the regular knoppix in my clients
[10:58] <elbixio> is that right?
[10:59] <highvoltage> for a thin client server, ideal would be 200MB RAM per client, fast disks (preferably SATA striped), at least two Xeon CPU's (or equivilant) per 30 PC's
[10:59] <elbixio> regular knoppix -> live knoppix
[10:59] <highvoltage> although you could get away with less too.
[10:59] <highvoltage> elbixio: yes, that's right
[10:59] <Yagisan> but it works with less
[11:00] <highvoltage> although that installed knoppix would basically be a debian system, and you could just apt-get install the software that you could find in edubuntu as well.
[11:00] <highvoltage> Yagisan: 32-64MB per client isn't enought when running gnome or kde though :/
[11:01] <elbixio> my personal pc has a debian system installed and has a 3.2 GHz proccesor and 1 GB of RAM
[11:01] <elbixio> i'll have about 10 clients
[11:01] <elbixio> would that be enough for the knoppix approach?
[11:02] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I found it worked ok for me, but I use a smaller selection of applications, so I might be too conservative on ram
[11:02] <highvoltage> elbixio: for the knoppix terminal server, you don't need a very powerful server, for that your personal pc is more than powerful enough
[11:02] <elbixio> :O
[11:03] <elbixio> so my clients will run knoppix (still from cd), but the response times will get better, right?
[11:04] <highvoltage> yes
[11:04] <spacey> i think you would need more ram for 10 clients :o
[11:04] <highvoltage> spacey: not with a fat client server ;)
[11:04] <spacey> oh
[11:04] <spacey> true
[11:04] <highvoltage> spacey: on knoppix-terminal-server, the workstations will use local memory
[11:04] <spacey> ugh
[11:04] <spacey> why
[11:04] <elbixio> highvoltage, is it possible to do it without knoppix terminal server and use debian etch instead?
[11:05] <spacey> and whats terminal server about that
[11:05] <elbixio> and the clients still run knoppix?
[11:05] <highvoltage> elbixio: i think so, you could probably add the knoppix repository to your sources.list and apt-get install knoppix-terminal-server, but i haven't tried that yet
[11:05] <elbixio> highvoltage, ok
[11:05] <highvoltage> elbixio: yes, they will basically run knoppix
[11:06] <elbixio> highvoltage, i thank u a lot for the info man
[11:06] <elbixio> i'll try to look for more info :)
[11:06] <highvoltage> spacey: it's propably not 'terminal server' in the strictest sense, but at least your workstations are diskless :)
[11:06] <highvoltage> elbixio: if you have to time, take some time to play around a little, there's lots of cool stuff you could do in a lab with such powerful workstations :)
[11:07] <elbixio> :O
[11:07] <elbixio> even in a live way right?
[11:07] <spacey> highvoltage: play games? ;o
[11:08] <highvoltage> spacey: yes. especially that.
[11:09] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:10] <elbixio> highvoltage, look from the knoppix site: "In fact, one of the things I like the most is the Knoppix terminal server, I like it so much that I set it up on my main Debian server so that I can start Knoppix out of the net whenever I want, and it really rocks."
[11:10] <elbixio> highvoltage, maybe it's possible to use my own computer for testing :)
[11:13] <cbx33> mornin all
[11:13] <cbx33> anyone got xgl working yet?
[11:14] <highvoltage> cbx33: many people have :)
[11:15] <cbx33> :( - havn't
[11:15] <cbx33> compiz.real: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work.
[11:15] <cbx33> trying to run in a nested X
[11:15] <cbx33> if I try to run gnome-window-decorator in my default display it logs me out
[11:16] <cbx33> AUDIT: Tue Jul  4 09:46:34 2006: 9044 X: client 3 rejected from local host
[11:16] <cbx33> with that message
[02:02] <neopsyche> hello
[02:02] <neopsyche> can anyone help me with myh mouse:?
[02:51] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:51] <pygi> hey jsgotangco 
[02:51] <jsgotangco> hello pygi
[02:51] <pygi> what's up? :)
[02:52] <jsgotangco> oh i just arrived home, i had a long day at work
[02:53] <pygi> ah 
[02:53] <jsgotangco> pretty much tired at the moment, will just have a quick dinner then will start cracking up on some ubuntu work
[03:03] <jsgotangco> pygi: how many people are developing diva besides yourself?
[03:04] <pygi> jsgotangco, 3
[03:04] <jsgotangco> ahh
[03:04] <pygi> why do you ask?
[03:04] <jsgotangco> just wondering =)
[03:12] <highvoltage> anyone around who can help me with pmount and permissions?
[03:58] <ajay1> hi guys
[04:05] <tuxrobot> hi pygi
[04:05] <tuxrobot> hey Yagisan
[04:05] <tuxrobot> hey sankarshan
[04:05] <sankarshan> hey tuxrobot 
[04:05] <tuxrobot> sankarshan: u indian?
[04:05] <pygi> tuxrobot, do I know you? :P
[04:05] <pygi> hi hi
[04:06] <sankarshan> i human
[04:06] <tuxrobot> pygi: u do :P ajayc
[04:06] <tuxrobot> sankarshan: obviously :p we cant have martians here
[04:06] <sankarshan> i could be martian too
[04:07] <tuxrobot> lmao
[04:07] <sankarshan> but tomorrow
[04:07] <tuxrobot> sankarshan: seriously are u indian?
[04:08] <tuxrobot> ok leave it
[04:08] <tuxrobot> p
[04:08] <tuxrobot> pygi: what time is the meeting on wednesday?
[04:08] <pygi> tuxrobot, what meeting?
[04:08] <tuxrobot> pygi: i was told there is a meeting here
[04:09] <pygi> all meetings occur in #ubuntu-meeting
[04:09] <pygi> fridge.ubuntu.com
[04:09] <tuxrobot> okies
[04:16] <sbalneav> Good morning edubuntuoids
[04:31] <highvoltage> hi sbalneav!
[04:42] <sbalneav> ogra!!
[04:42] <ogra> hey
[04:42] <jsgotangco> ogra!!
[04:42] <ogra> i'm quite criplled atm
[04:43] <ogra> *crippled
[04:43] <jsgotangco> wha?
[04:43] <ogra> dont upgrade to edgy if you own an ibook
[04:43] <ogra> seems there is no way to get the keyboard working
[04:43] <sbalneav> Humm
[04:43] <jsgotangco> i dont have an ibook
[04:43] <ogra> gnome-panel bursts to eat 65% CPU
[04:44] <ogra> the app menu doesnt work anymore
[04:44] <jsgotangco> beautiful
[04:44] <jsgotangco> its really edgy!
[04:44] <ogra> and my beuatiful sllep light on the ibook turned into a HD indicator 
[04:45] <jsgotangco> lol i dont even have enough machines to upgrade to edgy
[04:46] <Yagisan> sounds like fun
[04:46] <pygi> jsgotangco, ur production machine, production one :)
[04:46] <sbalneav> ogra: sounds like you're up to your butt in alligators today.  I won't bug you about ltsp stuff then :)
[04:46] <jsgotangco> hah no way
[04:47] <ogra> pygi, well, its somewhat needed to have your devleopment machine running what you develop :) i cant get around it ...
[04:47] <pygi> ogra, I agree :)
[04:48] <ogra> sbalneav, just ask ... i'm just typing a bit slower (and have only one mouse button without the built in keyboard)
[04:48] <sbalneav> I sent you an email the other day.  I'm to the point where I'm ready to do a "build" of MueKow.
[04:48] <pygi> :
[04:49] <sbalneav> No rush, though. 
[04:49] <ogra> so first update the changelog with dch -i
[04:49] <ogra> (while being in the source tree)
[04:49] <ogra> make some funny changelog entry and save that file 
[04:51] <ogra> (thats necessary to have a higher version so apt doesnt complain about your package)
[04:52] <sbalneav> dch I don't seem to have.
[04:52] <sbalneav> Is it part of pbuilder?
[04:53] <ogra> nope
[04:53] <ogra> its part of the devscripts package
[04:53] <sbalneav> ah, ok, installing
[04:53] <ogra> you will need that to build packages
[04:53] <ogra> woah, thats annoying, i always type on the wrong keyboard
[04:54] <sbalneav> ok, got it.
[04:55] <ogra> good
[04:55] <ogra> it will care for the right5 format of your entries etc 
[04:55] <sbalneav> Done.  Funny changelog entered.
[04:55] <ogra> ok
[04:55] <ogra> now you run: dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa
[04:56] <ogra> oh and you need to make sure that the mailaddress and name you used in your entry is a valid one from your gpg keyring
[04:57] <ogra> other people might use debuild -S -sa btw
[04:57] <ogra> there are more than one way to rome ;)
[04:57] <sbalneav> ok, gonna try it now.
[04:58] <ogra> i'
[04:58] <ogra> m trying some kernel modules for the keyboard
[04:59] <ogra> might be that i hardlock my machine
[05:06] <cbx33> hi all
[05:07] <cbx33> how do I add more keyboard layouts to gnome
[05:07] <cbx33> it says mine is unknown etc
[05:07] <cbx33> I think cos I did a reconfigure on Xorg
[05:07] <cbx33> and I need it to be gb, cos it hasn't picked up the sindows key properly
[05:07] <ogra> lucky you ... others dont eve have a keyboard the system could complain about :P
[05:08] <cbx33> :S?
[05:08] <cbx33> sorry
[05:08] <cbx33> :(
[05:09] <cbx33> do you know how to add the gb layout ?
[05:09] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[05:09] <jsgotangco> errmm...System->Preferences->Keyboard?
[05:09] <jsgotangco> :D
[05:09] <cbx33> jsgotangco: I would except
[05:09] <cbx33> ther eare no layouts in stalled there
[05:09] <cbx33> the list is blank
[05:10] <jsgotangco> nothign when you add?
[05:10] <cbx33> nope
[05:10] <jsgotangco> strange
[05:10] <cbx33> a totally blank list
[05:10] <cbx33> yup that's what I thought
[05:10] <cbx33> I'm not that stupid :p
[05:10] <jsgotangco> who said you are?
[05:11] <jsgotangco> don't be so defensive im just trying to help thank you
[05:11] <ogra> did you install the whole set of langpacks through the language selector ?
[05:11] <ogra> it has a row for input stuff
[05:11] <cbx33> nope
[05:11] <ogra> look if the checkmark is set there
[05:11] <cbx33> how do i do that?
[05:11] <cbx33> language support?
[05:12] <ogra> there is a menu entry in the admin menu
[05:12] <cbx33> ok
[05:12] <jsgotangco> :P
[05:12] <cbx33> it's not in language support
[05:12] <ogra> as i said, i only have an xchat, terminal and firefox window here, panel doesnt work atm
[05:12] <cbx33> ok
[05:12] <ogra> cant check or verify
[05:12] <cbx33> ok
[05:15] <cbx33> ogra: language selector in the future will have keyboard support
[05:15] <cbx33> just read the paris summit baout it
[05:15] <ogra> it has input support since breezy
[05:16] <cbx33> not here, but ok, I'll keep loking
[05:18] <jsgotangco> go bzr go
[05:23] <cbx33> oh btw ogra I have my edubuntu server at home now
[05:23] <cbx33> so I should be able to start writing the stuff for scp
[05:58] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[05:59] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[05:59] <Amaranth> This must be Tuesday. I never could get the hang of Tuesdays.
[07:06] <jsgotangco> ogra: is there like a webpage we go to as SoC mentors to evaluate the student?
[07:07] <ogra> yes, but dont ask me about the url ....
[07:11] <jsgotangco> *sigh*
[07:17] <ogra> well, i have some major probs getting to my mail atm ...
[07:17] <ogra> evo seems to have forgotten all my passwords ... so have i ....
[07:18] <jsgotangco> dont worry, i got it from riddell
[07:18] <jsgotangco> thanks
[07:18] <ogra> and the little sheet where i noted them down is outside in a box in the van
[07:18] <ogra> below ~15 other boxes :)
[07:19] <DanielC> ogra: Do you have a backup of $HOME?
[07:20] <ogra> DanielC, sure, but evo seems to store the pw's differently now
[07:20] <DanielC> :(
[07:20] <ogra> (and the tapes are in another box in the van anyway)
[07:20] <DanielC> van? Are you moving?
[07:20] <ogra> yeps
[07:20] <DanielC> Ok.
[07:21] <ogra> since more than a month i'm slowly moving all my stuff across the country whenever i have time left
[07:21] <ogra> takes quite some time ...
[07:21] <jsgotangco> change is good
[07:21] <ogra> well
[07:21] <ogra> it has its advatages and disadvantages
[07:29] <pharmakom> Grr....Dapper Edubuntu install is crashing when it gets to configuring LTSP. Anyone seen this problem before? 
[07:30] <DanielC> Define "crash"?
[07:30] <DanielC> Do you get a black screen with two white squares?
[07:30] <pharmakom> Yes.
[07:30] <pharmakom> Exactly.
[07:30] <DanielC> It's a problem with X.
[07:30] <pharmakom> Resolution?
[07:30] <DanielC> This is the best you can do:
[07:30] <DanielC> 1) Install first as Workstation.
[07:30] <DanielC> It will still break X, but don't worry...
[07:30] <DanielC> the installer keeps working, even if you don't see it.
[07:31] <DanielC> wait until the CD pops out
[07:31] <DanielC> (may need to press Enter once or twice, but I doubt it)
[07:31] <DanielC> take out the CD and press Enter
[07:31] <DanielC> this reboots the computer normally.
[07:31] <DanielC> When it reboots, X will work as it should.
[07:31] <DanielC> So you can then proceed to install the LTSP part.
[07:31] <pharmakom> This solution doesn't work if I try it with regular install?
[07:32] <DanielC> The problem with doing this with the LTSP install is that after the X11 part Edubuntu asks a few questions.
[07:32] <DanielC> And you can't see them.
[07:32] <pharmakom> Ah.
[07:32] <pharmakom> Thanks, I'll give it a try.
[07:33] <DanielC> You can guess that I was hit by the same bug...
[07:33] <pharmakom> Yeah, I'm just glad that you got a work around!
[07:33] <DanielC> :)
[07:34] <pharmakom> I had a server up and running and it was distributing DHCP addresses alright to the lab but the tftp was timing out. Any suggestions on that front?
[07:34] <DanielC> No idea.
[07:34] <DanielC> I don't know tftp from an oak tree.
[07:34] <pharmakom> One step at a time, I guess. :P
[07:35] <pharmakom> I think one gives you nuts and the other gives you kernels but that's as far as I've gotten.
[07:35] <pharmakom> Or in my case, it doesn't.
[07:35] <pharmakom> But I think it should.
[07:37] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[07:38] <DanielC> night
[07:43] <ogra> DanielC, apparentlyx its enough to select another video mode at the CD bootscreen :)
[07:44] <ogra> no need to fly blind
[07:44] <DanielC> ogra: Is it?
[07:44] <DanielC> ogra: That's better...
[07:44] <DanielC> I had to fly blind when I did it...
[07:44] <ogra> thats what i heard from a handfull reliable sources, must not mean it works on every system, but its very likely
[07:45] <pharmakom> Hrm...something to consider.  
[08:13] <pygi> ogra, poke? :)
[08:13] <ogra> pygi, yes ?
[08:14] <pygi> Nothing important, but just noticed I wasnt approved for e-m :P
[08:14] <ogra> e-m ?
[08:14] <pygi> edubuntu members ^^
[08:14] <ogra> oh ?
[08:15] <DanielC> what's an edubuntu member?
[08:16] <ogra> fixed, sorry, my fault
[08:16] <pygi> ogra, no worries ^^
[08:16] <ogra> DanielC, same as an ubuntu member :)
[08:16] <DanielC> :)
[08:17] <ogra> but applied for membership at the edubuntu council instead of the community council
[08:17] <DanielC> Do edubuntu members get anything that other people don't?
[08:17] <ogra> and with an edubuntu.org mailaddress
[08:17] <pygi> DanielC, we get teddybear :P
[08:17] <DanielC> heh :)
[08:17] <DanielC> How do I apply to become one?
[08:17] <ogra> heh, yes, install xteddy and run it :) 
[08:17] <ogra> teddy for free
[08:17] <DanielC> :)
[08:18] <DanielC> what does one have to do to become an edubuntu member?
[08:18] <DanielC> upload patches?
[08:18] <pygi> ogra, about the kdeedu stuff...
[08:18] <ogra> apply for membership here: https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members/+join
[08:18] <DanielC> *click*
[08:18] <ogra> and you need the same prerequisites a ubuntu member needs
[08:19] <pygi> If you would be willing to write detailed spec of what exactly we want, I could tackle writing applications that should replace kdeedu for edgy+1
[08:19] <ogra> i.e. sustained valuable contribution
[08:19] <DanielC> ogra: Ok...
[08:19] <ogra> being around for some time ... 
[08:19] <ogra> working with the community etc ... everything counts
[08:19] <DanielC> Well, I haven't really done anything... so I guess I'll have to wait.
[08:19] <ogra> you wrote howtos and wiki pages :)
[08:20] <DanielC> :)
[08:20] <ogra> thats already a valuable contribution :) even though a small one 
[08:20] <DanielC> Ok...
[08:20] <DanielC> so a few more of those and I can get a "member" badge?
[08:20] <ogra> yeps
[08:20] <DanielC> cool
[08:21] <ogra> pygi, what about it ?
[08:21] <ogra> we have space atm ... 
[08:21] <pygi> right, but not enough time for me to write complete replacement for kdeedu
[08:21] <DanielC> I'll give a presentation on Edubuntu at the end of the month, at the UK FLOSSIE conference (FLOSS In Education). Does that count?
[08:21] <pygi> features freeze is in a month
[08:21] <ogra> yeah, trime is short in edgy
[08:22] <ogra> DanielC, well, sure, but its hardly measurable ...
[08:22] <DanielC> Ok.
[08:22] <pygi> ogra, as I said, if you can write a detailed spec on what you want to see, I can tackle writing entire replacement
[08:22] <DanielC> So measurable is good...
[08:22] <pygi> then we are sure we will have a solid and good replacement :)
[08:22] <ogra> preferably we like measurable contributions ... many karma points in LP are impressing for example :)
[08:22] <DanielC> ok...
[08:23] <ogra> a good documented wikipage that lists your conmtributions as well :)
[08:23] <DanielC> but you get karma points for things like filing bug reports.
[08:23] <pygi> DanielC, cheerleaders :)
[08:23] <DanielC> heh
[08:23] <ogra> ysep
[08:23] <ogra> and for solving bugs
[08:23] <ogra> and for translations :)
[08:24] <DanielC> I'll be a "member" one day. It'll just take me time...
[08:24] <DanielC> I'm already over-committed.
[08:24] <DanielC> The only reason I can spend time on Edubuntu as it is is that my employer lets me do that during work hours because it's relevant to my work.
[08:24] <ogra> get your openoffice package into edgy...
[08:24] <ogra> thats a major contribution ;)
[08:25] <DanielC> Is it? It's just a user guide...
[08:25] <ogra> sure, but its helping the community 
[08:25] <DanielC> Ok... I did write much of it... but I wasn't thinking of Ubuntu when I did...
[08:25] <DanielC> :-)
[08:26] <DanielC> Ok, I'll get the user guides into edgy (there are 4 published ones).
[08:44] <juliux> hi DanielC 
[08:44] <DanielC> hi
[08:44] <juliux> DanielC, no notebooks for you
[08:44] <DanielC> ?
[08:44] <juliux> DanielC, they have to ask usa
[08:44] <DanielC> what?
[08:44] <juliux> but usa said no they need the notebooks
[08:44] <juliux> no reason
[08:44] <juliux> its a usa company
[08:45] <DanielC> So we can't get the notebooks?
[08:45] <juliux> and they mean that it could happen that they need the notebooks in the future
[08:45] <juliux> but nobody belives that
[08:45] <DanielC> Have you said this to Ian? He was going down tomorrow to pick them up...
[08:49] <DanielC> juliux: Can they "lend" the notebooks to a school and if they need them get them back?
[08:49] <juliux> i didnt get an e-mail from ian
[08:49] <DanielC> sigh
[08:50] <DanielC> Ok, I'll talk to Ian when he gets back.
[08:50] <juliux> i allways said that i have to backcheck it with usa
[08:50] <juliux> they said that there have to be in the company
[08:51] <juliux> he also has no address
[08:51] <DanielC> What do you mean?
[08:51] <DanielC> Ah, he doesn't know where to go.
[08:51] <DanielC> Since he said he was going tomorrow I assumed he had talked to you (obviously he'd need an address...)
[08:52] <Zoba> Hello
[08:52] <juliux> no he did not talked with me
[08:52] <DanielC> ok
[09:19] <highvoltage> heh, it looks funny to see someone approved as member with the comment "whoops, sorry" :)
[09:21] <juliux> hehe
[09:23] <juliux> highvoltage, which time is the meeting tommorow?
[09:24] <highvoltage> juliux: 20:00 UTC
[09:24] <juliux> highvoltage, ah that is good
[09:24] <juliux> so i have a chance to be there
[09:25] <highvoltage> these late meetings used to be tough for me, but these days it's working better for me
[09:25] <Amaranth> anyone here know iptables?
[09:25] <bddebian> Hello
[09:25] <juliux> Amaranth, a little bit
[09:25] <bddebian> Amaranth: Yeah, iptables --flush ;-)
[09:26] <Amaranth> ook, i don't have an updated meeting calendar
[09:26] <Amaranth> trying to setup transparent proxying
[09:27] <Amaranth> sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8008
[09:27] <Amaranth> seems to do nothing
[09:28] <juliux> highvoltage, have i also to add me to the edubuntu wiki meeting site?
[09:28] <Amaranth> tech board meeting in 30 minutes?
[10:08] <DanielC> juliux: You said that the company would not be willing to *lend* the laptops?
[10:09] <DanielC> juliux: ie. you'd still own them, and get them back whenever you want...
[10:09] <juliux> DanielC, i know but it is a very strange company, there are a lot of things i dont understand but i am only for an internship there
[10:10] <DanielC> ok
[10:10] <juliux> DanielC, there are not real informatics only windows users
[10:10] <DanielC> juliux: I just wanted to check that I had understood right.
[10:10] <juliux> DanielC, there is no understanding on IT, they know where they have to kilck on windows that it is working
[10:17] <Burgwork> Amaranth, how goes your content filter?
[10:18] <Amaranth> Burgwork: no progress in about 2 weeks
[10:18] <Burgwork> Amaranth, ah, I see. Got a name chosen?
[10:18] <Amaranth> nope
[10:18] <LaserJock> go rodarvus go!
[10:19] <rodarvus> haha :)
[10:20] <Burgwork> LaserJock, what is he doing now?
[10:20] <LaserJock> Burgwork: going for core-dev
[10:20] <Amaranth> rodarvus: i noticed you subscribed to my willow spec
[10:21] <rodarvus> Amaranth, indeed
[10:21] <Amaranth> the spec doesn't reflect what i'm actually doing
[10:23] <rodarvus> and whats the current status of willow?
[10:25] <Amaranth> the willow proxy software is...annoying
[10:25] <Amaranth> willowng (what i'm actually working on) is actually already working
[10:27] <Amaranth> bzr branch http://dev.realistanew.com/willowng/
[12:11] <jmredlinks> hola
[12:12] <mhz> holas, jmredlinks `
[12:12] <mhz> bienvenido al canal de Edubuntu