=== Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-141-157-73-250.balt.east.verizon.net] has left #edubuntu [] === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-141-157-73-250.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-141-157-73-250.balt.east.verizon.net] has left #edubuntu [] === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [01:44] hmm, so what happens to specs that aren't approved by the deadline? are they defered to edgy+1? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:46] hi jsgotangco [01:46] good morning [01:46] LaserJock: You can still do them. [01:46] they're sent down the TUBES OF INTERNET HELL. http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/?entry_id=1512499 [01:46] LaserJock: the approved specs are just "we want this done" [01:47] LaserJock: i heard this strange news today regarding a candidacy in Nevada [01:47] oh really? [01:48] yeah former adult movie star [01:49] hmm, haven't heard about that, but wouldn't doubt it, a adult movie star ran for govenor of California not long ago :-) [01:49] LaserJock: http://mimi4governor.com/ [01:51] hmm, somehow I just don't think I'll be voting for her ;-) [01:51] lol === th1a|X60s [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:51] i just heard it from the local news because she's filipina by birth and was an immigrant so... [01:51] hehe [01:52] I see [01:52] I wondered [01:55] hehe [01:56] I haven't really paid much attention to the races here, although the billboard signs are starting to pop up all over the place === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-141-157-73-250.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-141-157-73-250.balt.east.verizon.net] has left #edubuntu [] [02:10] LaserJock: specs can be picked up and work on by anyone. In fact, our open spec engine makes us completely unique among all distros [02:10] yeah [02:11] that is why those brazilian guys are working on the network wide updates spec [02:11] I'm just worried about getting this dynamic-menus spec done, I'm afraid I'm not knowledgable enough right now to get a good draft [02:12] was it reviewed? [02:12] once, in Paris [02:12] and then Corey thrashed it a bit earlier today :-) [02:13] thats fine although your time is a bit limited already... [02:14] LaserJock: i am not surprised [02:14] all the KDE stuff from aaron threw me off [02:14] it is quite nice admittedly [02:15] right, but we don't ship kiosktool in Edubuntu, right? [02:16] I can see were is somebody wants to use KDE + Edubuntu it makes sense that we reduce duplication, etc. [02:16] no [02:17] you really have to hack up sabayon just to make it happen [02:17] right [02:17] because if you hardcode the menu structure, seb will be pissed off [02:17] right [02:18] but it still seems a bit odd to me to use sabayon to create group driven menus [02:20] it's quite overkill for a menu editor, although I was thinking that it might be handy to change more than just the menu by group [02:22] ok, so I have a few questions still [02:23] 1) should I just focus on shipping sabayon profiles and not worry about KDE right now? [02:23] well, actually that's sort of it [02:27] 2) are the "groups" from the normal *nix /etc/group or do we want a new file like what Aaron seemed to be talking about? [02:28] its only KDE specific for that [02:30] 2)? [02:31] because they don't use /etc/group? [02:31] i remeber vaguely its just a flat file and it looks like a bit like active directory [02:35] reminded me of a .desktop but yeah [02:50] LaserJock: Different menus for different groups? [02:51] Basically you need some way to set XDG_CONFIG_DIRS based on the group of the logged in user (then gnome-menus will load the applications.menu and etc for that group) and some extension of alacarte or something to modify "root" menus for the different groups. === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu [03:04] Amaranth: I'm not sure if it's that easy for us or not [03:05] hi guys === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === mdz_ [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [03:49] Heya [03:59] hi bddebian [04:00] Heya jsgotangco === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu [04:54] hi all [04:59] Hello mhz [05:00] bddebian: hi there [05:01] mhz: mauricio! [05:01] jsgotangco: jerome! [05:01] :) === mhz is using Gaim for IRC now, just to test it out [05:01] yukkkk [05:02] its the most unnatural irc client out there === mhz does tries to use only shipped apps [05:02] yeah i hear ya [05:02] but irssi is also shipped [05:02] :D [05:02] is it? [05:02] xterm!! [05:03] yes === mhz_ [n=mhz@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:04] mhz: hi there from irssi [05:05] hehe [05:05] it does work [05:05] of course [05:05] yeah, but i never tried it before [05:06] jsgotangco: you participate in a11y? [05:06] yes but im no expert i just participate on tests [05:06] hmmm [05:06] i dont think gaim is a11y friendly/compliant [05:06] I have VERY cool news and I dont know how to handle it [05:06] from the looks of it === sbalneav [i=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:07] Evening all [05:07] look for TheMuso, he's more adept into a11y and very much involved in it for ubuntu aside from heno [05:07] sbalneav: scotty! [05:07] hey hey hey jsgotangco!! [05:07] jsgotangco: oh, thx [05:07] evening sbalneav [05:08] mhz: there's going to be a very interesting a11y feature for edgy... [05:08] mhz: hi there from irssi [05:09] jsgotangco: which is...? (i apologize but last 3 weeks were terribly hectic [05:09] SpeakUp [05:09] hmmm [05:09] interesting [05:10] TheMuso is sight-impaired so he knows the issues very well [05:10] jsgotangco: got any videos of henrik programming or working on web mastering stuff? [05:10] nope [05:11] jsgotangco: i have been invited to do an edubuntu demo tomorrow morning, at the Teleton Institute (Institute that helps children or anyone to walk again, to start using new arms, etc. [05:11] that is awesome! [05:11] if they like base edubuntu demo, I'll be asked to demo a11y stuff [05:12] I AM TERRIFIED [05:12] if this really works... it will mean to implement edubuntu + a11y labs all over Chile [05:12] about 13 region [05:12] s [05:13] it is not huge amount of computers BUT it is huge load of work [05:13] they were very impressed by FET demos [05:14] it is a pity TheMuso could not come to Chile for FET (yeah, Paris was mor eimportant of course) [05:14] I now have zero clue how to demo anything related to a11y === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@179-12-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [05:52] exit === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_zZzzZ === mhz_zZzzZ [n=mhz@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has left #edubuntu [] === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === th1a|X60s [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-227-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [08:38] Burgwork: pong [08:39] highvoltage: well hey [08:41] highvoltage: when is a good time to talk about an edubuntu case study. I don't have a list of questions but shall we do it via email? [08:43] Burgundavia: edubuntu or tuxlabs? [08:43] highvoltage: edubuntu in the tuxlabs [08:43] i think if it's edubuntu, it should include ogra and rodarvus and richardw [08:43] a case study is a story about how you deployed Edubuntu and why you did so [08:44] designed to be read by policy makers [08:44] ok, we're moving this week, but i'll have some computer time [08:44] when are good times for you, are you around 16:00 UTC? [08:44] that is pretty early [08:45] anything after 19:00 UTC? [08:45] why don't I send you a list of questions by email and we can do it each on our own time [08:45] ok, that sounds good. [08:45] ZA to CA is pretty hard. Makes it hard to contact that part of my family [08:45] yep :/ [08:46] however, I don't have an email for you [08:46] you can send me a few questions at a time too, or as they pop up, no rush [08:46] i just received a nice article i can give you... just a few secs... [08:47] i will bang something out now and then see what I can do [08:48] http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/tuxlabs.pdf [08:50] that is great. I can glean a great deal from that [08:53] highvoltage: initial questions sent [08:55] Burgundavia: http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/jonathan.pdf [08:59] highvoltage: I have to crash. if you didn't get that email I just sent you, ping Burgwork === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 has been trying to get xgl working === cbx33 has failed [09:44] one machine generates an X error when running gnome-window-decorator [09:44] the other can't install compiz [09:44] because of a libsvg-cairo dependency error [09:44] :( [09:46] cbx33: we don't have pity for people with XGL problems in this channel! go to #ubuntu with your XGL problems! [09:46] === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === spacey starts to appreciate LVM [10:17] XGL/Compiz? go away! === jsgotangco smiles [10:17] highvoltage: ping? [10:19] jsgotangco: pong! [10:20] highvoltage: how open are you to becoming a jet-setting open source developer and talk to some lowly brown natives somewhere in the islands of the pacific [10:22] (don't mind the other stuff im just jesting) [10:22] (obviously) [10:22] jsgotangco: there's no such a thing as lowly brown natives in my book ;) [10:23] a week before LCA2007 [10:23] jsgotangco: i'm not sure i'm following you [10:23] actually a few days before LCA [10:23] highvoltage: im sourcing for speakers [10:23] LCA is in January right? [10:24] yeah [10:24] i think that might be a quiet time for us, so i'm quite open to the idea. [10:25] yeah well, we're currently arranging stuff this early on so we know the timeline [10:27] good idea. some people have learned the hard way that arranging this kind of thing last-minute isn't a good idea. [10:29] especially if you're going to expect a 15+ hour flight ;) === jsgotangco will savour the moment he sees highvoltage collapse in jetlag and humidity [10:31] jsgotangco: revenge is best served cold ;) [10:31] lol [10:31] have you experienced subzero before? [10:31] no, i haven't. [10:32] the coldest i remember is 2 degrees celsius [10:33] fun [10:43] oh. people are going to LCA2007 ? === Yagisan should make an effort to meet other #edubuntu people then [10:45] im going for sure [10:48] jsgotangco: then it will be nice to meet you :) === elbixio [n=elbixio@209.124.112.200] has joined #edubuntu [10:54] hello everybody, i downloaded the live cd of edubuntu 6 because i'm planning to teach how to use it in my next semester course [10:54] i noticed the live version runs kind of slow because our lab cdroms [10:55] and i was wondering, could the LTSP approach help, asuming i could get a nice server [10:55] live cd's generally tend to be slower than an installed system. === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu [10:56] RAM is often a bigger cause than the speed of the drive, since a live CD consumes quite a bit of memory. [10:56] highvoltage, the problem is that our lab admin doesn't want to install it [10:56] what's the specifications of the machines? [10:56] intel pentium 4 2.2 GHz processors [10:56] 256 DDR RAM [10:56] do you have another machine lying around? [10:57] for the LTSP approach? [10:57] what you could do, even though it won't be edubuntu, is to install knoppix on an old machine, and use knoppix-terminal-server [10:57] i see [10:57] it will run a full system on all your machines, as apposed to LTSP. [10:57] you could do LTSP with Edubuntu too, if you have a very powerful server. [10:58] LTSP needs a strong server, where knoppix-terminal-server needs strong clients (like the ones you have) [10:58] what specs do u recommend to have a "powerful server"? [10:58] :O [10:58] so, i install knoppix-terminal-server in an average pc and run the regular knoppix in my clients [10:58] is that right? [10:59] for a thin client server, ideal would be 200MB RAM per client, fast disks (preferably SATA striped), at least two Xeon CPU's (or equivilant) per 30 PC's === Yagisan suggests - depending on clients of course, amd64 (dual core if possible), ~ 256MB for base + ~ 32-64MB for each client [10:59] regular knoppix -> live knoppix [10:59] although you could get away with less too. [10:59] elbixio: yes, that's right [10:59] but it works with less [11:00] although that installed knoppix would basically be a debian system, and you could just apt-get install the software that you could find in edubuntu as well. [11:00] Yagisan: 32-64MB per client isn't enought when running gnome or kde though :/ [11:01] my personal pc has a debian system installed and has a 3.2 GHz proccesor and 1 GB of RAM [11:01] i'll have about 10 clients [11:01] would that be enough for the knoppix approach? [11:02] highvoltage: I found it worked ok for me, but I use a smaller selection of applications, so I might be too conservative on ram [11:02] elbixio: for the knoppix terminal server, you don't need a very powerful server, for that your personal pc is more than powerful enough [11:02] :O [11:03] so my clients will run knoppix (still from cd), but the response times will get better, right? [11:04] yes [11:04] i think you would need more ram for 10 clients :o [11:04] spacey: not with a fat client server ;) [11:04] oh [11:04] true [11:04] spacey: on knoppix-terminal-server, the workstations will use local memory [11:04] ugh [11:04] why [11:04] highvoltage, is it possible to do it without knoppix terminal server and use debian etch instead? [11:05] and whats terminal server about that [11:05] and the clients still run knoppix? [11:05] elbixio: i think so, you could probably add the knoppix repository to your sources.list and apt-get install knoppix-terminal-server, but i haven't tried that yet [11:05] highvoltage, ok [11:05] elbixio: yes, they will basically run knoppix [11:06] highvoltage, i thank u a lot for the info man [11:06] i'll try to look for more info :) [11:06] spacey: it's propably not 'terminal server' in the strictest sense, but at least your workstations are diskless :) [11:06] elbixio: if you have to time, take some time to play around a little, there's lots of cool stuff you could do in a lab with such powerful workstations :) [11:07] :O [11:07] even in a live way right? [11:07] highvoltage: play games? ;o [11:08] spacey: yes. especially that. [11:09] brb === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu [11:10] highvoltage, look from the knoppix site: "In fact, one of the things I like the most is the Knoppix terminal server, I like it so much that I set it up on my main Debian server so that I can start Knoppix out of the net whenever I want, and it really rocks." [11:10] highvoltage, maybe it's possible to use my own computer for testing :) [11:13] mornin all [11:13] anyone got xgl working yet? [11:14] cbx33: many people have :) [11:15] :( - havn't [11:15] compiz.real: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work. [11:15] trying to run in a nested X [11:15] if I try to run gnome-window-decorator in my default display it logs me out [11:16] AUDIT: Tue Jul 4 09:46:34 2006: 9044 X: client 3 rejected from local host [11:16] with that message === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ADEA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-225-1.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-225-1.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === neopsyche [n=Andrew@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [02:02] hello [02:02] can anyone help me with myh mouse:? === neopsyche_ [n=Andrew@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:51] hi [02:51] hey jsgotangco [02:51] hello pygi [02:51] what's up? :) [02:52] oh i just arrived home, i had a long day at work [02:53] ah [02:53] pretty much tired at the moment, will just have a quick dinner then will start cracking up on some ubuntu work [03:03] pygi: how many people are developing diva besides yourself? [03:04] jsgotangco, 3 [03:04] ahh [03:04] why do you ask? [03:04] just wondering =) === jsgotangco is not much familiar with multimedia development [03:12] anyone around who can help me with pmount and permissions? === pygi is brb - lunch === mg512 [n=mg512@80-41-131-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-230-51.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ is now known as pygi === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === ajay1 [n=PupUser-@59.94.2.197] has joined #edubuntu [03:58] hi guys === ajay1 is now known as tuxrobot [04:05] hi pygi [04:05] hey Yagisan [04:05] hey sankarshan [04:05] hey tuxrobot [04:05] sankarshan: u indian? [04:05] tuxrobot, do I know you? :P [04:05] hi hi [04:06] i human [04:06] pygi: u do :P ajayc [04:06] sankarshan: obviously :p we cant have martians here [04:06] i could be martian too [04:07] lmao [04:07] but tomorrow [04:07] sankarshan: seriously are u indian? [04:08] ok leave it [04:08] p [04:08] pygi: what time is the meeting on wednesday? [04:08] tuxrobot, what meeting? [04:08] pygi: i was told there is a meeting here [04:09] all meetings occur in #ubuntu-meeting [04:09] fridge.ubuntu.com [04:09] okies === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [04:16] Good morning edubuntuoids [04:31] hi sbalneav! === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan feels awful [04:42] ogra!! [04:42] hey [04:42] ogra!! [04:42] i'm quite criplled atm [04:43] *crippled [04:43] wha? [04:43] dont upgrade to edgy if you own an ibook [04:43] seems there is no way to get the keyboard working [04:43] Humm [04:43] i dont have an ibook [04:43] gnome-panel bursts to eat 65% CPU [04:44] the app menu doesnt work anymore [04:44] beautiful [04:44] its really edgy! [04:44] and my beuatiful sllep light on the ibook turned into a HD indicator === ogra curses SUN usb keyboards [04:45] lol i dont even have enough machines to upgrade to edgy [04:46] sounds like fun [04:46] jsgotangco, ur production machine, production one :) [04:46] ogra: sounds like you're up to your butt in alligators today. I won't bug you about ltsp stuff then :) [04:46] hah no way === Yagisan upgraded his production box to dapper. It fell over and didn't want to get up after that [04:47] pygi, well, its somewhat needed to have your devleopment machine running what you develop :) i cant get around it ... [04:47] ogra, I agree :) === jsgotangco ponders if he should dual boot [04:48] sbalneav, just ask ... i'm just typing a bit slower (and have only one mouse button without the built in keyboard) [04:48] I sent you an email the other day. I'm to the point where I'm ready to do a "build" of MueKow. [04:48] : === Yagisan notes, with that being the case perhaps he should use windows and not wine to develop windows build scripts, but decides not to anyway [04:49] No rush, though. [04:49] so first update the changelog with dch -i [04:49] (while being in the source tree) [04:49] make some funny changelog entry and save that file [04:51] (thats necessary to have a higher version so apt doesnt complain about your package) [04:52] dch I don't seem to have. [04:52] Is it part of pbuilder? [04:53] nope [04:53] its part of the devscripts package [04:53] ah, ok, installing [04:53] you will need that to build packages [04:53] woah, thats annoying, i always type on the wrong keyboard [04:54] ok, got it. [04:55] good [04:55] it will care for the right5 format of your entries etc [04:55] Done. Funny changelog entered. [04:55] ok [04:55] now you run: dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa [04:56] oh and you need to make sure that the mailaddress and name you used in your entry is a valid one from your gpg keyring [04:57] other people might use debuild -S -sa btw [04:57] there are more than one way to rome ;) [04:57] ok, gonna try it now. [04:58] i' [04:58] m trying some kernel modules for the keyboard [04:59] might be that i hardlock my machine === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:06] hi all [05:07] how do I add more keyboard layouts to gnome [05:07] it says mine is unknown etc [05:07] I think cos I did a reconfigure on Xorg [05:07] and I need it to be gb, cos it hasn't picked up the sindows key properly [05:07] lucky you ... others dont eve have a keyboard the system could complain about :P [05:08] :S? [05:08] sorry [05:08] :( [05:09] do you know how to add the gb layout ? [05:09] hahaha [05:09] errmm...System->Preferences->Keyboard? [05:09] :D [05:09] jsgotangco: I would except [05:09] ther eare no layouts in stalled there [05:09] the list is blank [05:10] nothign when you add? === ogra doesnt have a panel to verify :P [05:10] nope [05:10] strange [05:10] a totally blank list [05:10] yup that's what I thought [05:10] I'm not that stupid :p [05:10] who said you are? [05:11] don't be so defensive im just trying to help thank you [05:11] did you install the whole set of langpacks through the language selector ? [05:11] it has a row for input stuff [05:11] nope [05:11] look if the checkmark is set there [05:11] how do i do that? [05:11] language support? [05:12] there is a menu entry in the admin menu [05:12] ok [05:12] :P [05:12] it's not in language support [05:12] as i said, i only have an xchat, terminal and firefox window here, panel doesnt work atm [05:12] ok [05:12] cant check or verify [05:12] ok [05:15] ogra: language selector in the future will have keyboard support [05:15] just read the paris summit baout it [05:15] it has input support since breezy [05:16] not here, but ok, I'll keep loking [05:18] go bzr go [05:23] oh btw ogra I have my edubuntu server at home now [05:23] so I should be able to start writing the stuff for scp === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-244-208.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:58] goodnight [05:59] *sigh* [05:59] This must be Tuesday. I never could get the hang of Tuesdays. === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-141-157-73-250.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-231-71.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [07:06] ogra: is there like a webpage we go to as SoC mentors to evaluate the student? [07:07] yes, but dont ask me about the url .... [07:11] *sigh* [07:17] well, i have some major probs getting to my mail atm ... [07:17] evo seems to have forgotten all my passwords ... so have i .... [07:18] dont worry, i got it from riddell [07:18] thanks [07:18] and the little sheet where i noted them down is outside in a box in the van [07:18] below ~15 other boxes :) [07:19] ogra: Do you have a backup of $HOME? [07:20] DanielC, sure, but evo seems to store the pw's differently now [07:20] :( [07:20] (and the tapes are in another box in the van anyway) [07:20] van? Are you moving? [07:20] yeps [07:20] Ok. [07:21] since more than a month i'm slowly moving all my stuff across the country whenever i have time left [07:21] takes quite some time ... === DanielC wonders what people say when someone moves to a new place... "good luck"? [07:21] change is good [07:21] well [07:21] it has its advatages and disadvantages === pharmakom [i=debian-t@tor/session/external/x-82ae6f23f99ab455] has joined #edubuntu [07:29] Grr....Dapper Edubuntu install is crashing when it gets to configuring LTSP. Anyone seen this problem before? [07:30] Define "crash"? [07:30] Do you get a black screen with two white squares? [07:30] Yes. [07:30] Exactly. [07:30] It's a problem with X. [07:30] Resolution? [07:30] This is the best you can do: [07:30] 1) Install first as Workstation. [07:30] It will still break X, but don't worry... [07:30] the installer keeps working, even if you don't see it. [07:31] wait until the CD pops out [07:31] (may need to press Enter once or twice, but I doubt it) [07:31] take out the CD and press Enter [07:31] this reboots the computer normally. [07:31] When it reboots, X will work as it should. [07:31] So you can then proceed to install the LTSP part. [07:31] This solution doesn't work if I try it with regular install? [07:32] The problem with doing this with the LTSP install is that after the X11 part Edubuntu asks a few questions. [07:32] And you can't see them. [07:32] Ah. [07:32] Thanks, I'll give it a try. [07:33] You can guess that I was hit by the same bug... [07:33] Yeah, I'm just glad that you got a work around! [07:33] :) [07:34] I had a server up and running and it was distributing DHCP addresses alright to the lab but the tftp was timing out. Any suggestions on that front? [07:34] No idea. [07:34] I don't know tftp from an oak tree. [07:34] One step at a time, I guess. :P [07:35] I think one gives you nuts and the other gives you kernels but that's as far as I've gotten. [07:35] Or in my case, it doesn't. [07:35] But I think it should. [07:37] goodnight [07:38] night [07:43] DanielC, apparentlyx its enough to select another video mode at the CD bootscreen :) [07:44] no need to fly blind [07:44] ogra: Is it? [07:44] ogra: That's better... [07:44] I had to fly blind when I did it... [07:44] thats what i heard from a handfull reliable sources, must not mean it works on every system, but its very likely === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-141-157-73-250.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:45] Hrm...something to consider. === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-225-182.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [08:13] ogra, poke? :) [08:13] pygi, yes ? [08:14] Nothing important, but just noticed I wasnt approved for e-m :P [08:14] e-m ? [08:14] edubuntu members ^^ [08:14] oh ? [08:15] what's an edubuntu member? [08:16] fixed, sorry, my fault [08:16] ogra, no worries ^^ [08:16] DanielC, same as an ubuntu member :) [08:16] :) [08:17] but applied for membership at the edubuntu council instead of the community council [08:17] Do edubuntu members get anything that other people don't? [08:17] and with an edubuntu.org mailaddress [08:17] DanielC, we get teddybear :P [08:17] heh :) [08:17] How do I apply to become one? [08:17] heh, yes, install xteddy and run it :) [08:17] teddy for free [08:17] :) [08:18] what does one have to do to become an edubuntu member? [08:18] upload patches? [08:18] ogra, about the kdeedu stuff... [08:18] apply for membership here: https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members/+join [08:18] *click* [08:18] and you need the same prerequisites a ubuntu member needs [08:19] If you would be willing to write detailed spec of what exactly we want, I could tackle writing applications that should replace kdeedu for edgy+1 [08:19] i.e. sustained valuable contribution [08:19] ogra: Ok... [08:19] being around for some time ... [08:19] working with the community etc ... everything counts [08:19] Well, I haven't really done anything... so I guess I'll have to wait. [08:19] you wrote howtos and wiki pages :) [08:20] :) [08:20] thats already a valuable contribution :) even though a small one [08:20] Ok... [08:20] so a few more of those and I can get a "member" badge? [08:20] yeps [08:20] cool === pygi isn't quite sure ogra has time for that tho :P [08:21] pygi, what about it ? [08:21] we have space atm ... [08:21] right, but not enough time for me to write complete replacement for kdeedu [08:21] I'll give a presentation on Edubuntu at the end of the month, at the UK FLOSSIE conference (FLOSS In Education). Does that count? [08:21] features freeze is in a month [08:21] yeah, trime is short in edgy [08:22] DanielC, well, sure, but its hardly measurable ... [08:22] Ok. [08:22] ogra, as I said, if you can write a detailed spec on what you want to see, I can tackle writing entire replacement [08:22] So measurable is good... [08:22] then we are sure we will have a solid and good replacement :) [08:22] preferably we like measurable contributions ... many karma points in LP are impressing for example :) [08:22] ok... [08:23] a good documented wikipage that lists your conmtributions as well :) [08:23] but you get karma points for things like filing bug reports. [08:23] DanielC, cheerleaders :) [08:23] heh [08:23] ysep [08:23] and for solving bugs [08:23] and for translations :) [08:24] I'll be a "member" one day. It'll just take me time... [08:24] I'm already over-committed. [08:24] The only reason I can spend time on Edubuntu as it is is that my employer lets me do that during work hours because it's relevant to my work. [08:24] get your openoffice package into edgy... [08:24] thats a major contribution ;) [08:25] Is it? It's just a user guide... [08:25] sure, but its helping the community [08:25] Ok... I did write much of it... but I wasn't thinking of Ubuntu when I did... [08:25] :-) [08:26] Ok, I'll get the user guides into edgy (there are 4 published ones). === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-141-157-73-250.balt.east.verizon.net] has left #edubuntu [] === DanielC waves at juliux [08:44] hi DanielC [08:44] hi [08:44] DanielC, no notebooks for you [08:44] ? [08:44] DanielC, they have to ask usa [08:44] what? [08:44] but usa said no they need the notebooks [08:44] no reason [08:44] its a usa company [08:45] So we can't get the notebooks? [08:45] and they mean that it could happen that they need the notebooks in the future [08:45] but nobody belives that [08:45] Have you said this to Ian? He was going down tomorrow to pick them up... [08:49] juliux: Can they "lend" the notebooks to a school and if they need them get them back? [08:49] i didnt get an e-mail from ian [08:49] sigh [08:50] Ok, I'll talk to Ian when he gets back. [08:50] i allways said that i have to backcheck it with usa [08:50] they said that there have to be in the company === DanielC wonders how Ian was planning to pick up the notebooks without talking to anyone. [08:51] he also has no address [08:51] What do you mean? [08:51] Ah, he doesn't know where to go. [08:51] Since he said he was going tomorrow I assumed he had talked to you (obviously he'd need an address...) === Zoba [n=Zoba@cpe-071-071-018-051.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [08:52] Hello [08:52] no he did not talked with me [08:52] ok [09:19] heh, it looks funny to see someone approved as member with the comment "whoops, sorry" :) [09:21] hehe [09:23] highvoltage, which time is the meeting tommorow? [09:24] juliux: 20:00 UTC [09:24] highvoltage, ah that is good [09:24] so i have a chance to be there === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu === juliux should try become a edubuntu member [09:25] these late meetings used to be tough for me, but these days it's working better for me [09:25] anyone here know iptables? [09:25] Hello [09:25] Amaranth, a little bit [09:25] Amaranth: Yeah, iptables --flush ;-) [09:26] ook, i don't have an updated meeting calendar [09:26] trying to setup transparent proxying [09:27] sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8008 [09:27] seems to do nothing [09:28] highvoltage, have i also to add me to the edubuntu wiki meeting site? [09:28] tech board meeting in 30 minutes? === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu [10:08] juliux: You said that the company would not be willing to *lend* the laptops? [10:09] juliux: ie. you'd still own them, and get them back whenever you want... [10:09] DanielC, i know but it is a very strange company, there are a lot of things i dont understand but i am only for an internship there [10:10] ok [10:10] DanielC, there are not real informatics only windows users [10:10] juliux: I just wanted to check that I had understood right. [10:10] DanielC, there is no understanding on IT, they know where they have to kilck on windows that it is working [10:17] Amaranth, how goes your content filter? [10:18] Burgwork: no progress in about 2 weeks [10:18] Amaranth, ah, I see. Got a name chosen? [10:18] nope [10:18] go rodarvus go! [10:19] haha :) [10:20] LaserJock, what is he doing now? === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has left #edubuntu [] [10:20] Burgwork: going for core-dev [10:20] rodarvus: i noticed you subscribed to my willow spec [10:21] Amaranth, indeed [10:21] the spec doesn't reflect what i'm actually doing [10:23] and whats the current status of willow? [10:25] the willow proxy software is...annoying [10:25] willowng (what i'm actually working on) is actually already working [10:27] bzr branch http://dev.realistanew.com/willowng/ === Signifer123 [n=signifer@pool-70-16-27-196.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-237-212.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === jmredlinks [n=leo@pc-2-11-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:11] hola [12:12] holas, jmredlinks ` [12:12] bienvenido al canal de Edubuntu