[02:22] <jjesse> ooo lots of kde goodness coming across edgy changes :)
[02:23] <nixternal> GO RIDDELL GO!!!
[02:23] <jjesse> hiya nixternal having a good holiday?
[02:23] <nixternal> im trying jjesse...our fireworks look like a no go tonight
[02:23] <jjesse> storms?
[02:23] <nixternal> always have tomorrow though
[02:24] <nixternal> ya..they are starting to roll in now
[02:24] <jjesse> maybe we will get them later tonight then
[02:24] <nixternal> you supposed to go see some fireworks tonight?
[02:24] <nixternal> actually..it looks like these storms have a southerly heading to them
[02:24] <jjesse> tomorrow, city of grand rapids always has them on the 4th
[02:24] <nixternal> as they are coming from my backyard so to speak
[02:25] <nixternal> everyone here does them one day different then chicago
[02:25] <jjesse> ah i bet chicago's fireworks are pretty big?
[02:25] <nixternal> actually...from grand rapids..if it is clear, you can see chicago fireworks
[02:25] <nixternal> my cousing says they head out on a boat, tonight and tomorrow and watch fireworks from all 3 states
[02:25] <jjesse> really?  i think we are too far way
[02:25] <nixternal> s/cousing/cousin
[02:26] <nixternal> 70miles straight across pretty much
[02:26] <jjesse> that would be fun to see
[02:26] <jjesse> well grand rapids is still 30+ miles from the lake
[02:26] <nixternal> my cousins live in grand rapids..or right outside i think now...but they can take their boat and get to winthrop harbor downtown in about an hour
[02:26] <nixternal> which is usually a 3+ hour drive
[02:27] <jjesse> ah
[02:27] <nixternal> actually..i think they are in the haven now
[02:27] <nixternal> either grand or south
[02:27] <jjesse> grand haven?
[02:27] <nixternal> they are in south haven...my family is over and i just asked
[02:28] <jjesse> holy cow steve yzerman retired today
[02:28] <nixternal> up by traverse city on the grand haven...they aren't up there
[02:28] <nixternal> ya..i about died when i seen that
[02:29] <jjesse> just catching up with todays news :)
[02:30] <jsgotangco> yzerman
[02:30] <jsgotangco> hockey?
[02:31] <jjesse> jsgotangco: yeah "the captain" detroit red wings
[02:32] <jsgotangco> heh i don't get to see hockey too much here on cable, its usually football and boxing
[02:34] <jsgotangco> last weekend we had PPV for a boxing match that is just an hour away from home hahaha
[02:34] <jjesse> thats a bummer, but yeah its a shocker that he retired 
[02:35] <jjesse> i hope the detroit front office will offer him a job if they haven't already
[02:35] <jjesse> oh well sorry for the off-topic
[03:49] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:50] <Hobbsee> heya
[03:54] <freeflying> hi all
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya freeflying
[03:54] <freeflying> bddebian: hey
[03:56] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying 
[03:57] <freeflying> Hobbsee: morning
[04:31] <jjesse> hmm lots of kde lanaguage files coming across :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> jjesse: ooh fun :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> jjesse: edgy's still getting stacks of updates again?
[04:32] <bddebian> Yeah Riddell has been busy :-)
[04:32] <jjesse> Hobbsee: all kde related
[04:32] <Hobbsee> jjesse: nice
[04:32] <jjesse> yeah its good to see 
[04:35] <Hobbsee> jjesse: fun :
[04:35] <Hobbsee> )
[04:36] <jjesse> its a simple typo in amarok
[04:36] <jjesse> in the desktop guide
[04:36] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[04:36] <Hobbsee> jjesse: has amarok been synced yet?  better make sure Riddell doesnt accidently overwrite your changes
[04:39] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:39] <bddebian> :-)
[04:39] <nixternal> you can do whatever you want now bddebian, she left ;)
[04:40] <bddebian> w00t
[04:41] <nixternal> is it possible...oh my lord please don't...anyways, can i get kpdf to work in firefox instead of using acrobat?
[04:42] <bddebian> Should be
[04:42] <nixternal> i haven't run acrossed anything yet on it
[04:44] <nixternal> OMG IM STOOOPID
[04:44] <bddebian> nixternal: Oh no, that's MY job around here :-)
[04:46] <nixternal> kpdf doesn't integrate into firefox, however you can set firefox to auto open pdf files in kpdf ;)
[04:48] <jjesse> will a newer version of amarok be uploaded into dapper?  ie is there a reason i would need to change the spelling of amaroK in the desktop guide to Amarok which is new to latest version?
[04:48] <jjesse> see bug #51685
[04:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51685 in kubuntu-docs "Wrong spelling of Amarok" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/51685
[04:48] <nixternal> yes sir!!!
[04:48] <nixternal> ;)
[04:50] <jjesse> are you jus being a smartass or do you really think i need to change it for the current docs or can i change it for edgy?\
[04:52] <nixternal> you can definately change it for edgy
[04:52] <nixternal> i am sure there will be a backport eventually for Amarok in Dapper though
[04:53] <jjesse> i thinking that cause i'm redoing the release notes that means there will be a new kubuntu-docs package so i might as well
[04:53] <nixternal> I know I am using 1.4.1-beta1, and I am sure someone here will eventually package it for dapper
[04:54] <jjesse> nixternal: did the tigers win today? or did they not play?
[04:54] <nixternal> i have no clue...tigers who? ;)
[04:54] <jjesse> grin
[04:55] <jjesse> bummer again ben wallace is no longer a piston
[04:59] <jsgotangco> basketball?
[04:59] <jsgotangco> are we a sport jock today jjesse hehehe
[04:59] <jjesse> yeah
[04:59] <jjesse> i follow sports every day jsgotangco
[04:59] <jsgotangco> do you follow boxing?
[05:00] <jjesse> not really, i follow baseball, basketball, american football, and nascar
[05:00] <jsgotangco> nascar hrmmmm
[05:02] <jjesse> either does my wife
[05:03] <jjesse> ah
[05:03] <freeflying> have you set up pbuilder for edgy?
[05:03] <jjesse> afk for a bit
[05:43] <nixternal> can we get some oppage in #ubuntu-marketing
[05:45] <crimsun> the explosion of *buntu channels, heh
[05:45] <nixternal> my lord
[05:46] <nixternal> we have a few retards in there with a bot
[05:49] <nixternal> no doubt
[05:49] <nixternal> man..the marketing channel is being spammed by 2 retards and their bot
[05:50] <jsgotangco> :(
[09:38] <froud> Hi, if there are any trainers amongst the devels here you may be interested in http://www.inwords.co.za/content/view/103/68/
[09:43] <seaLne> maybe i could batter my mum and dad over the head with it :)
[09:43] <seaLne> my mum complains that the computer course she is on uses windows so she finds it hard to relate to kubuntu on their machine
[11:35] <Hobbsee> hi all
[12:09] <freeflying> Hobbsee: how can use bluetooth after revive 
[12:09] <Hobbsee> freeflying: no clue, i dont have bluetooth stuff
[12:10] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thx
[01:02] <kwwii> moin
[01:09] <\sh> moins kwwii
[01:09] <kwwii> \sh: howdy
[01:09] <pygi> kwwii is here ^^
[01:10] <Hobbsee> hey \sh kwwii and pygi 
[01:10] <pygi> kwwii, may I ask about UI status?  ^ ^
[01:10] <pygi> hey Hobbsee ;)
[01:11] <kwwii> pygi: of coure you can ask :-) I have a basic mockup ready, although I haven't mapped all the functions needed to the exact button placement, etc....I do have a general plan though
[01:11] <Hobbsee> pygi: of course you can ask - kwwii just reserves the right not to answer :P
[01:11] <kwwii> pygi: I'll work more on it tonight and send it to you, we can then discuss things in more detail, ok?
[01:11] <pygi> kwwii, oki, that's fine :) Take your time, no need to hurry, just wanted to know the status :)
[01:12] <kwwii> Hobbsee: :p
[01:12] <Hobbsee> kwwii: :P
[01:13] <kwwii> pygi: the hard part is making something really new and interesting
[01:30] <Hobbsee> kwwii: how in particular are you fighting it?
[01:30] <\sh> kwwii: you'll win
[01:30] <kwwii> hehe, I am not so sure about that
[01:31] <Hobbsee> such confidence, \sh 
[01:31] <kwwii> Hobbsee: well, I have to rename all of the artwork specs and make a couple of new ones which tie the others together
[01:31] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ah, ouch
[01:31] <kwwii> I'll figure it out, but that does not mean I will like it
[01:32] <Hobbsee> true
[01:32] <\sh> Hobbsee: yes, kwwii is da dude who can do it ;)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:40] <kwwii> I-con do it
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell 
[01:53] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[02:07] <kwwii> hehe
[02:08] <kwwii> so while changing the name of a current (approved) spec I received an error message, anyone know why?
[02:08] <pygi> kwwii, bug, bug :)
[02:09] <\sh> kwwii: #launchpad
[02:09] <kwwii> well, I do not really want to subscribe to the launchpad users mailing list
[02:09] <Riddell> kwwii: what are you changing?
[02:09] <kwwii> Riddell: the name of the spec itself
[02:10] <kwwii> as is, it is called "edgy-artwork", but mark asked me to make a general one called "edgy-artwork" which links all the others, so I have to rename the old one
[02:13] <Riddell> kwwii: dunno, try the launchpad irc channel as \sh says
[02:13] <kwwii> Riddell: doing that now
[02:14] <Riddell> unfortunately I'm not sure who's incharge of the specs part of launchpad
[02:25] <kwwii> erm, where does one enter a bug about launchpad?
[02:26] <kwwii> never mind, I found it
[02:41] <\sh> kwwii: in launchpad ,)
[02:49] <Riddell> who wants a packaging challenge with strigi?
[02:49] <Riddell> raphink? jpatrick?
[02:49] <Riddell> it uses cmake
[02:53] <seaLne> Riddell: http://stuff.duffus.org/tmp/k3b/
[02:55] <Riddell> seaLne: just syncing with debian?
[02:55] <seaLne> and fixing the desktop diff
[02:55] <Riddell> seaLne: I had a request from the k3b dudes that we package their monkey audio thingy if you're up for another challenge :)
[02:56] <seaLne> i have to package a few other things first but maybe
[02:56] <sebas> Riddell: I've checked a first draft of the powermanager UI in into guidance
[02:56] <sebas> And I'll go on vacation tomorrow morning for three weeks :>
[03:03] <Riddell> sebas: great, I probably can't look at it today but certainly should do before you come back :)
[03:03] <Riddell> Lure might be interested too
[03:03] <sebas> Riddell: That's fine 
[03:03] <sebas> I've CCMAIL'ed Ellen as well
[03:27] <raphink> sorry Riddell I'm busy at work
[03:27] <raphink> and I'm already on a packaging challenge for my work :s
[03:27] <raphink> package mysql-max before tonight
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hey raphink 
[03:27] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[03:27] <Hobbsee> raphink: what do you work for?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> s/for/as
[03:28] <raphink> France Tlcom/Orange/Wanadoo
[03:29] <raphink> big telecom company ;)
[03:29] <raphink> I work on the website servers
[03:31] <Hobbsee> raphink: nice :)
[03:31] <raphink> yes that's where I live ;)
[03:31] <raphink> haha
[03:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: I was packaging that
[03:36] <jpatrick> when it was called Kitten
[03:37] <Riddell> jpatrick: going to do us an updated package?
[03:37] <Riddell> it uses cmake, which should be fun
[03:38] <jpatrick> yeah DaSkreech did point out the upgrade...
[03:39] <jpatrick> wherever it is
[03:39] <Riddell> seaLne: k3b looks good, I'll upload
[03:39] <Riddell> jpatrick: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40889
[03:40] <jpatrick> prefect
[03:47] <seaLne> Riddell: cool
[03:52] <Hobbsee> nice!  amarok 1.4.1 is out.
[03:52] <Riddell> ssh
[03:52] <Riddell> if you say stuff like that people will start to notice there's no kubuntu packages
[03:53] <pygi> Riddell, :P
[03:53] <seaLne> but thats shocking, kubuntu must be crap
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that clearly only means one thing:  get moving :P
[03:53] <Hobbsee> nah, i just didnt want to see 1.4.1beta1 packages, when 1.4.1 is officially out
[03:59] <jpatrick> what is wrong with pastebin....
[04:00] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: it's dead?  still?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: use pastebin.ca
[04:01] <jpatrick> ok, I have no idea what to do with this: http://pastebin.ca/78722
[04:16] <Hobbsee> nixternal_: ping?
[04:18] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: watch out, he knew Billy Corgan
[04:18] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: oh dear.  wonder who that is.
[04:18] <jpatrick> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Corgan
[04:26] <jsgotangco> mad guitar player/singer for the smashing pumpkins?
[04:27] <jpatrick> jsgotangco: yeah, him
[04:32] <seaLne> anyone know what should the build-depends be for something that requires kernel headers?
[04:34] <jpatrick> linux-headers-*
[04:34] <seaLne> as in "Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), linux-headers-*, ...."?
[04:35] <jpatrick> tricky...
[04:36] <jpatrick> maybe the lastest kernel? linux-headers-2.6.15-25
[04:36] <seaLne> and presumably it should be or linux-source aswell?
[04:38] <jpatrick> Size: 44441680
[04:38] <jpatrick> if you want a big chroot...
[04:39] <jpatrick> I think the header's should do it
[04:40] <seaLne> linux-kernel-headers sounded good but it appears to be 2.6.11?
[04:42] <jpatrick> http://pastebin.ca/78742
[04:42] <jpatrick> on dapper
[04:44] <seaLne> yeah but none of them seem ideal and anyway if its for edgy it should be 2.6.17
[04:47] <jpatrick> whatever the lastest is
[04:54] <Hobbsee> argh, my k-d-s patch never got put in.
[04:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: which patch?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the one about the splash screen for amarok.  however, it seems that you can just remove the line, and the problem goes away entirely.
[04:57] <\sh> who promoted libmad to main?
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if you want me to patch it and send it to you to upload, that'd be cool.  i might have a little trouble testing it on edgy though
[04:58] <\sh> hey slomo
[04:58] <slomo> hi \sh :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> hi slomo 
[04:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: please do, I'll be merging k-d-s today
[04:59] <\sh> Riddell: is there a change in patent policy of frauenhofer? or why is libmad0 in main?
[04:59] <Riddell> although I see raphink has already uploaded it
[04:59] <Riddell> \sh: it's never been out of main
[04:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, his upload is on p.u.c?
[04:59] <\sh> Riddell: hmm? wasn't it used for gstreamer0.8-mad?
[05:00] <Riddell> \sh: it still is
[05:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes.  but it needs to be merged with dapper-updates
[05:00] <slomo> \sh: it was never out of main, that's right... but it would be nice to have it out but it was used for akode and k3b forever... otherwise it would already be gone from main
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: stick the change in dapper-updates as well?
[05:01] <nixternal> moins everyone
[05:01] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[05:01] <nixternal> you ping?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah.  right this second, i'm wondering what it was about though.
[05:02] <nixternal> haha
[05:02] <nixternal> it wasn't even an hour ago ;)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> oh i know
[05:02] <nixternal> to young to get the brain dead disease already ;)
[05:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I can look at doing that too
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that'd be cool.  i'm just checking if this builds, and i'll send you a debdiff, if that's what you want?
[05:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes please
[05:07] <Hobbsee> who killed apt?
[05:07] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i noticed that last night trying to build pbuilder
[05:07] <nixternal> environment
[05:07] <Hobbsee> yeah grr, i shouldnt have updated it earlier.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> it was working fine last night.
[05:08] <nixternal> depends on what time last night was, because i know it was broke 12 hours ago ;)
[05:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, over 24 hours ago - while i was still at stevenk's
[05:09] <nixternal> hehe
[05:09] <nixternal> i was getting a dependency error with it last night
[05:10] <Hobbsee> if apt is screwed, does aptitude work?
[05:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: unlikely
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's the fix then?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it looks like there's an update, but apt cant install the update, as it's buggered
[05:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: depends what's up with apt
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ubuntu and debian dev - ubuntu core dev, for that matter
[05:11] <Riddell> pastebin the error
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Unpacking replacement apt-utils ...
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Setting up apt-utils (0.6.44.2ubuntu2) ...
[05:11] <Hobbsee> E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/extended_states - open (2 No such file or directory)
[05:12] <Hobbsee> E: Failed to open StateFile /var/lib/apt/extended_states
[05:12] <Hobbsee> a bit lazy to pastebin sorry :P
[05:12] <Riddell> err, hmm
[05:13] <Riddell> dpkg --install --force-all /var/log/cache/apt-utils...
[05:13] <Riddell> which could break the whole system but that seems to be the case anyway
[05:13] <Hobbsee> from inside the pbuilder, presumably
[05:13] <Riddell> oh, pbuilder, hmm
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, i took edgy off.
[05:14] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[05:14] <freeflying> Riddell: I mailed you skim-1.4.5
[05:14] <Riddell> freeflying: yeah saw that, I'll look at it in a bit
[05:15] <freeflying> Riddell: I'm now persuade a distro in china release base upon kubuntu :)
[05:16] <freeflying> Riddell: is that okey?
[05:16] <Riddell> freeflying: excellent!
[05:16] <Riddell> freeflying: who are they?
[05:16] <seaLne> Hobbsee: i just touched /var/lib/apt/extended_states and it stopped complaining
[05:16] <Hobbsee> seaLne: oh okay
[05:17] <freeflying> Riddell: www.thizlinux.com.cn, actrually, they have used some stuffs from kubuntu's
[05:17] <Hobbsee> doubt it will work, but it's worht a shot.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> seaLne: just sudo touch /var/lib/apt/whatever?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> clearly not that.
[05:19] <freeflying> Riddell: would you like give any suggestion?
[05:20] <Riddell> freeflying: suggestions to persuade them to use kubuntu?  show them how many others do too http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDerivedDistros
[05:21] <freeflying> Riddell: I hope they can use as many as they can from kubuntu
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: bug 42114
[05:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42114 in amarok "Amarok can't enable/disable splashscreen" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42114
[05:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: can you tell mvo what your problem was
[05:22] <Riddell> with apt-utils
[05:22] <mvo> hello Hobbsee
[05:22] <freeflying> Riddell: or say, it will be a special kubuntu release fort chinese users
[05:22] <Hobbsee> hey mvo 
[05:23] <Hobbsee> mvo: sure, i'll properly pastebin it
[05:23] <Hobbsee> once i find where it went
[05:23] <mvo> Hobbsee: if the problem went away with 0.6.44.2ubuntu2 its all good
[05:24] <Hobbsee> mvo: you assume that one can *install* the later version :P
[05:24] <mvo> Hobbsee: yes
[05:24] <mvo> Hobbsee: I'm confident about this 
[05:24] <Hobbsee> mvo: the error was this
[05:24] <Hobbsee> [01:11]  <Hobbsee> Unpacking replacement apt-utils ...
[05:24] <Hobbsee> [01:11]  <Hobbsee> Setting up apt-utils (0.6.44.2ubuntu2) ...
[05:24] <Hobbsee> [01:11]  <Hobbsee> E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/extended_states - open (2 No such file or directory)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> [01:11]  <Hobbsee> E: Failed to open StateFile /var/lib/apt/extended_states
[05:24] <mvo> Hobbsee: doing it in pbuilder might be a problem tought :/ 
[05:24] <Hobbsee> mvo: yes
[05:25] <mvo> Hobbsee: it should (after this complain) no longer complain
[05:25] <Hobbsee> mvo: oh good.  apt's kinda crucial, you know :P
[05:25] <mvo> Hobbsee: pbuilder login --save-after-login and manually upgrading it works too
[05:25] <mvo> Hobbsee: yeah, sorry for the pbuilder problem :/
[05:25] <Hobbsee> mvo: i guess we'll forgive you.  this time.  if you do all my syncs :P
[05:26] <Riddell> aww Hobbsee, now we have to go to Portugal to get mvo back!
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:27] <Hobbsee> why oh why can i never get to my backup when i need it.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hi pygi 
[05:35] <nixternal> weee pbuilder built w/o error
[05:35] <Hobbsee> oh what fun...i killed it.
[05:35] <nixternal> haha
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you see my debdiff?
[05:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, doesn't that mean the splash screen is on by default?
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: apparently not, but i havent been able to test yet.
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i dont currently have any working form of edgy.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> oh *damn*
[05:48] <nixternal> gahahaha
[05:49] <Hobbsee> oh crud, that's why.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> *there* we go!
[05:50] <Hobbsee> cant remove the pbuilder you're currently logged into.
[05:52] <nixternal> here we go again
[05:52] <nixternal> freenode is under attack
[05:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: say what?
[05:53] <nixternal> look at #kubuntu
[05:53] <Hobbsee> ooh, lovely...
[05:53] <nixternal> i just realised those were join/quits
[05:54] <nixternal> i thought it was a mass disconnect at first ;)
[05:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what do you think they are?  they're coming back to flood
[05:55] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: can't ban them, without a massive ip list...
[05:55] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: no point.  they're anon proxies.
[05:55] <jpatrick> whatever those are
[05:55] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: means they change IP's all the time, basically.  well, that's the end effect
[05:56] <jpatrick> ok, got it
[05:56] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:56] <jpatrick> I think nixternal's behind it
[05:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:56] <nixternal> oh lord
[05:56] <Hobbsee> what?
[05:56] <nixternal> don't get me implicated ;)
[05:57] <Hobbsee> hah
[06:01] <Hobbsee> oh darn, i said i was going to go to bed before 2am.
[06:02] <jpatrick> heh
[06:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it does seem to show the first time, but it looks to be configurable.  now i'm just having a slight problem of amarok not seeming to actually open.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> the splash screen, that is
[06:50] <Tonio_> hey
[06:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning packages in main (aka kaffeine) do you want me to send it to you via email or do I need to post it to revu ?
[06:51] <Riddell> bonsoir Tonio_ 
[06:51] <Riddell> revu is probably easier
[06:51] <Tonio_> evening Riddell ;)
[06:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[06:51] <Riddell> I'm not a fan of large e-mail attachments
[06:51] <Riddell> or even small ones really
[06:51] <jjesse> afternoon everyone :)
[06:52] <Riddell> hi jjesse 
[06:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: finally I couldn't split it
[06:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: the standalone player acts like a plugin reader for the konqueror's extension
[06:52] <Tonio_> so we cannot ship kaffeine without the konq plugin...
[06:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: fooey
[06:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: that sucks but that's it... :)
[06:53] <Riddell> jjesse: mjg has a point that the main job of the laptop testing team is to test the scripts not the frontends
[06:54] <jjesse> agreed
[06:54] <Riddell> jjesse: but equally frontends can break randomly too, it would be nice to get some feedback reports when the time come
[06:54] <jjesse> Riddell: we had a better discussion off list
[06:54] <Riddell> comes
[06:54] <sebas> Is the laptop team testing HAL extensively?
[06:55] <Riddell> sebas: through gnome-power-manager yes
[06:55] <Riddell> and acpi-support
[06:55] <sebas> Hm, but not functions that aren't used by gnome-power-manager?
[06:56] <sebas> Does g-p-m use brightness control of HAL?
[06:57] <Tonio_> Riddell or raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2594
[06:57] <jjesse> i guess it would be nice to have more thoruogh testing of laptops for kubuntu
[06:57] <Riddell> sebas: yes
[06:57] <sebas> Good.
[06:58] <sebas> If next time the keyevents aren't screwed, it should be fine then.
[06:58] <sebas> I'm trying to do as much as possible via HAL.
[06:58] <sebas> Problem is that HAL is rather undocumented, so it's a lot of reverse engineering the apps that are already there, notably hal-devicemanager
[06:59] <Riddell> sebas: I hear this a lot about HAL
[06:59] <Riddell> sebas: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/ThinkpadR50 for example
[06:59] <sebas> Yeah, even Kevin agreed
[06:59] <Riddell> sebas: what's the issue with keyevents?
[07:00] <sebas> \sh told me they were not routed through to KDE apps.
[07:01] <Riddell> sebas: they aren't yet but they will be with kubuntu-laptop-buttons, which Lure said he'd started work on
[07:01] <sebas> Ah, for Dapper?
[07:01] <Riddell> well, they'll be mapped to sane XF keys and you can set a global keybinding
[07:01] <Riddell> sebas: no, not for dapper
[07:02] <sebas> Ok, that should be fine.
[07:03] <sebas> Note that I didn't have problems with those keys anyway.
[07:03] <sebas> I'm off for now (and some more time).
[07:04] <Riddell> sebas: have a nice holiday
[07:04] <sebas> Thanks, have a productive time while I relax :-)
[07:04] <raphink> hi Tonio_
[07:04] <Tonio_> hey raphink
[07:04] <Riddell> we'll be waiting here for you, spreading the KDE love
[07:04] <raphink> a roulotte?
[07:04] <Tonio_> yup
[07:04] <sebas> Excellent. :>
[07:04] <Tonio_> hey sebas
[07:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: that may look stupid but I'm unable to find a translation for "fooey" ;)
[07:05] <jjesse> hmm so not many people here celebrating the 4th of July :)
[07:05] <sebas> hey en good bye Tonio_ :)
[07:05] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:06] <Tonio_> :)
[07:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: en francais c'est "bof"
[07:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok, merci
[07:07] <Riddell> jjesse: the English just lost their football, and now you expect them to celebrate the breakup of their empire too?
[07:07] <jjesse> Riddell: grin sure thing cause we are americans :)
[07:10] <jjesse> hmm mback to work cleaning the study :(
[07:11] <jsgotangco> Riddell: hi do you know the url of the webpage where we're supposed to evaluate SoC students?
[07:12] <Riddell> jsgotangco: http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_home.html
[07:12] <jsgotangco> thanks!
[07:13] <Riddell> jsgotangco: what project are you mentoring?
[07:13] <jsgotangco> pyq now known as amenity/pike
[07:13] <Riddell> jsgotangco: what does that do?
[07:14] <jsgotangco> its a teacher/student testing app for edubuntu
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Ping
[07:20] <Riddell> pong d	
[07:20] <Riddell> da	
[07:20] <Riddell> hmm, irc and uploading packages doesn't go together
[07:20] <Riddell> pong DaSkreech 
[07:21] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Hi Riddell. Whats up with strigi?
[07:21] <Riddell> we just need someone to package it
[07:22] <DaSkreech> I'm trying now. Really should be doing it in Edgy though
[07:22] <Riddell> build a chroot
[07:22] <DaSkreech> All the proper tools are in edgy I'm doing a fudge getting it to make in Dapper
[07:23] <Riddell> or package in dapper and test in edgy pbuilder
[07:23] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Why the interest in strigi?
[07:23] <Riddell> the author asked me if it was being packaged
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Ah he asked me as well :)
[07:24] <Riddell> so we shouldn't let him down :)
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Ha ha. I have a problem though I can't install openssl0.98-dev
[07:31] <Riddell> DaSkreech: libssl-dev ?
[07:31] <DaSkreech> That seems to break my system :-( I'll try though
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Ah right it removes b-e
[07:35] <Riddell> b-e?
[07:35] <DaSkreech> Yup
[07:35] <DaSkreech> I think that would be becaue I put up a new libc to get cmake to work
[07:36] <Riddell> erk
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Yeah. This really should be an edgy build
[07:37] <DaSkreech> I don't think that strigi has any problems with dapper that I've seen but the tools to build it certainly seem to be very edgy friendly
[07:38] <Riddell> I recommend an edgy chroot :)
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Guess it's straight source then
[07:40] <Riddell> libssl-dev is what you want
[07:40] <Riddell> I assume
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Perhaps
[07:41] <DaSkreech> It's looking for openssl/sha.h
[07:41] <DaSkreech> I have acrypto++/sha.h
[07:42] <DaSkreech> opensll uses crypto++ so they may be one and the same :( 
[07:42] <Riddell> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=sha.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=dapper&arch=i386
[07:42] <Riddell> yes, it's libssl-dev
[07:42] <mornfall> what's strigi just btw? :)
[07:42] <mornfall> ah, desktop search
[07:42] <mornfall> nm
[07:43] <mornfall> vandenoever :-)
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Yep
[07:43] <DaSkreech> formerly kitten formerly kat
[07:43] <DaSkreech> != Tenor
[07:43] <ubotu> I know nothing about = Tenor
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Thanks Ubotu :)
[07:45] <mornfall> kat != kitten
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Isn't Kitten the spiritual succesor to kat?
[07:46] <mornfall> they don't share actual code i think :)
[07:46] <mornfall> and, well, the spiritual successor thingy
[07:46] <Riddell> kitten was ment to go into kat but never did
[07:46] <mornfall> you could say GNOME is a KDE successor that way ;-)
[07:46] <Riddell> or something
[07:46] <DaSkreech> I know but they do the same thing in roughlythe same way and kitten was started cause kat was dead
[07:46] <DaSkreech>  I think that's close enough :)
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Have you head the FLOSS interview with Miguel?
[07:47] <mornfall> which miguel? :)
[07:47] <DaSkreech> He wanted ti\o use KDE but got caught up in GNOME :)
[07:47] <DaSkreech> incaza
[07:47] <mornfall> ohwell, i'm not missing that one in kde ;-)
[07:48] <DaSkreech> He's pretty much considered the father of GNOME :)
[07:49] <zorglu1> he gave up gnome ?
[07:50] <DaSkreech> He didn't want GNOME from the start :) 
[07:50] <DaSkreech> But the Toolkit wasn't free at the time so he just grabbed motif and GTK and went
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Pretty good story
[07:50] <zorglu1> well gnome got lucky then :)
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Yep :)
[07:51] <DaSkreech> anyway back to packaging I think adept froze :(
[07:51] <neoncode> Whos doing the "look and Feel" and visuals and such of Kubuntu Edgy?
[07:53] <jjesse> kwii
[08:33] <nixternal> radeon too ;)
[08:34] <DaSkreech> X.org crashes all the time now 
[08:34] <DaSkreech> Well not crash
[08:34] <DaSkreech>  Cause then I could fix it :-P
[08:34] <crimsun> yay for pbuilder login --save-after-login
[09:04] <DaSkreech> http://ftw.generation.no/?n=352
[09:25] <bddebian> Hello
[09:27] <nixternal> bah..just bddebian
[09:27] <nixternal> ;)
[09:27] <nixternal> hiya bddebian
[09:28] <bddebian> :'-(
[09:28] <bddebian> Hi nixternal
[09:32] <nixternal_> l8r
[09:33] <bddebian> Later
[09:49] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[09:50] <\sh> hez barry
[10:26] <DaSkreech> Do I need an account for http://commit-digest.org
[10:27] <Riddell> DaSkreech: to do what?
[10:27] <DaSkreech> See it.
[10:27] <DaSkreech> I get Account Disabled
[10:27] <seaLne> excess bandidth usage maybe?
[10:27] <DaSkreech> Thats what I'm hoping :(
[10:27] <DaSkreech> But it's pretty early in the month
[10:28] <seaLne> either way its a problem with the server
[10:28] <DaSkreech> Ok Good :)
[10:28] <DaSkreech> QT4.1 doesn't have SVG support?
[10:44] <Riddell> seaLne: commit-digest needs a new host, got anywhere to offer him?
[10:46] <imbrandon> Riddell: how much bandwidth ? i could possibly host if we're not talking over 200gb a month 
[11:00] <seaLne> Riddell: the problem is not being able to offer accounts