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_ionzo to open a fold, zc to close it. zi to toggle folding on/off.12:58
_ionzm and zr to change the folding level.12:58
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bluefoxicy"* you should prepend "Homepage:" to the webpage URL in control long description "01:08
bluefoxicy A guide can be found at:01:09
bluefoxicy .01:09
bluefoxicy http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/pax-utils.xml01:09
bluefoxicyThat is hardly a homepage.01:09
bluefoxicy(it doesn't contain a link to download it)01:09
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zuli love being sick01:47
LaserJockme too :(01:49
zulespecailly on a day off01:49
LaserJockI'm still trying to get over my end-of-Paris cold01:51
LaserJockbeen over a week now01:52
zulthats not good01:52
LaserJockI'm close to being done01:52
zulmaybe its a tumor ;)01:52
LaserJockI doubt01:52
zulsorry..long running joke in my family01:52
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jsgotangcoerr that's way too long for a cold01:55
zulanyone seen ajmitch around?01:56
jsgotangconot lately, i heard he's on holiday in au01:56
tsenggood one.01:56
zulmust be slacking off01:56
crimsunhe was active 13h 20m ago01:56
LaserJockjsgotangco: flu maybe?01:57
crimsunsilly american pigdog sickness?01:57
zulheh i think i said that about a week ago ;)01:58
LaserJockcrimsun: but I got it in France :-)01:58
zulits the french revengre for changing french fires to freedom fries01:58
crimsunI thought that line (silly english pigdogs) was from purported frenchmen01:59
jsgotangcothe french had their revenge on him inside the metro or somewhere in the notre dame :)01:59
zulcrimsun: monty python01:59
crimsunzul: yeah, I'm just trying to remember if they were "french"01:59
crimsunin that part of the skit02:00
zulthey were02:00
crimsunoh well, completely over LaserJock's head :/02:00
zulthat reminds me i wanna see if i can fine some black adder02:00
LaserJockcrimsun: sorry, you didn't say it with the weird French accent ;-)02:02
crimsunyeah, that doesn't go over too well in text, my bad02:03
LaserJockwe'd have to move over to the Team Speak server for that02:04
Amaranthzul: did you get that "long running joke" from kindergarten cop? :)02:05
zuli never seen kindergaten cop02:06
Amaranth"it's not a tumar!"02:06
zul"Got to get to mars!02:09
Amaranthi think whoever started that joke in your family saw that movie :P02:09
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freeflying|awayany REVU admin here?03:10
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tsengdoes anyone else have a horked up gnome-panel03:12
LaserJockin edgy?03:15
whiprushtseng: everything normal here.03:16
tsengLaserJock: yes03:17
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tsengi rm -rf .gnome* .gconf*03:17
tsengand still no love03:18
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tsengit starts up03:23
tsengand will draw some part of it03:23
tsengmost of the time clicking is useless03:23
tsengand parts are never drawn03:23
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whiprushnot an applet hanging it up is it?03:24
tsengprobably is03:24
tsengbut i cant tell what03:24
tsengand i rm'd like i said03:24
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bddebianHeya gang03:48
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LaserJockhi Hobbsee and bddebian03:49
bddebianHi LaserJock, zul, Hobbsee03:49
Hobbseehi bddebian and LaserJock03:50
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crimsunbddebian: ping05:40
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bddebiancrimsun: Yo?05:45
crimsunbddebian: if you have time, please grab http://sh.nu/~crimsun/openvpn-breezy/ , resign, and upload to security.upload.ubuntu.com05:46
bddebianCan I do that?05:46
bddebiancrimsun: I'm happy to but why do you need me to do it?05:47
crimsunbecause security uses some screwed key retrieval method that keeps failing my expired key.05:47
crimsuncoincidentally the same key used to sign all my Edgy uploads.05:48
crimsungo figure.05:48
bddebianJust debsign?05:49
crimsunif you trust me05:49
crimsunotherwise I've placed the entire source package there, and you can dpkg-source -x and rebuild it05:49
bddebianHmm maybe I'll do that only because I don't know debsign :-)05:49
crimsunapproval here from pitti if you need the ok.  [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/security-review/2006-July/000421.html] 05:50
bddebianDo I need -sa?05:51
crimsunthank ye05:54
bddebianAnytime man05:54
bddebianGlad to be of SOME use05:54
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antinobodythis whole MOM thing confuzzles me06:25
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crimsunantinobody: what's unclear?06:32
antinobodycrimsun: the protocol, mostly06:32
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antinobodycrimsun: is the process mostly to go through the autogenerated merged packages, and make sure everything works, and if it doesn't, fix it?06:34
crimsunantinobody: yes06:34
crimsunwant me to walk you through one?06:34
crimsun(or a couple)06:34
anibalcrimsun, is there a web page for new ubuntu packages waiting for approval?06:35
antinobodycrimsun: sure, if you're up to it06:35
crimsunanibal: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue06:36
anibalcrimsun, ta06:36
crimsunanibal: nfs-utils is fabbione's package (he last touched it), so I pinged him for permission to upload (giving him a URL to your merged source package)06:36
anibalcrimsun, ok06:37
crimsunantinobody: ok, pick a merge06:39
crimsunor if you'd like, I can just choose one of mine and go through it.06:40
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crimsunantinobody: let's start with qterm [http://merges.ubuntu.com/q/qterm/REPORT] 06:41
crimsunantinobody: generally I keep three separate Web browser tabs open: 1) package/REPORT; 2) http://packages.ubuntu.com/src:package ; 3) http://packages.qa.debian.org/srcpackage06:42
crimsun(1) refers to the MoM REPORT; (2) refers to Ubuntu's package info; (3) refers to Debian's package info06:43
crimsunso starting with (1), or the MoM REPORT, the first thing to do is check whether there are outstanding conflicts in the autogenerated merge. If there are, they will be listed toward the end of the REPORT marked by "C" or "C*"06:44
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crimsunantinobody_:  did you catch any of that?06:45
antinobody_crimsun: he vuelvo06:45
antinobody_yo he vuelto06:45
antinobody_crimsun: nope06:45
antinobody_crimsun: sorry06:45
antinobody_crimsun: had to reboot into the kubuntu edgy install, it's the only one with a pbuilder environment set up06:45
crimsunantinobody_: let's start with qterm [http://merges.ubuntu.com/q/qterm/REPORT] 06:45
crimsunantinobody_: generally I keep three separate Web browser tabs open: 1) package/REPORT; 2) http://packages.ubuntu.com/src:package ; 3) http://packages.qa.debian.org/srcpackage06:45
crimsunantinobody_: (1) refers to the MoM REPORT; (2) refers to Ubuntu's package info; (3) refers to Debian's package info06:46
crimsunantinobody_:  so starting with (1), or the MoM REPORT, the first thing to do is check whether there are outstanding conflicts in the autogenerated merge. If there are, they will be listed toward the end of the REPORT marked by "C" or "C*"06:46
crimsunantinobody_: (I'll give you a sec to catch up)06:47
antinobody_right, I don't see any06:47
crimsunantinobody_: right, so in this case, we just need to inspect the merged source package06:47
antinobody_I see06:48
crimsunantinobody_: I have a /tmp/merges/  , and I just use: ../grab-merge.sh qterm06:48
crimsun[http://merges.ubuntu.com/grab-merge.sh] 06:48
antinobody_right, I'm familiar, and have a similar folder06:48
crimsunantinobody_: since the merge turned out ok, we just need to eyeball what the Debian source package has versus what we have06:49
crimsunso I'll first use [http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qterm/qterm_0.4.0pre3-2.1.dsc]  and [http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/q/qterm/qterm_0.4.0pre3-2ubuntu1/changelog] 06:50
crimsunthe main things I'm checking for are whether Debian's build-dependencies have absorbed Ubuntu's06:51
antinobody_I see06:51
crimsunhere we see that Debian Sid's package is still building against python2.3-dev, but we migrated to python2.4-dev in Dapper06:52
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crimsunso in the merged source package in your merge directory, just make sure all those changes match06:52
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crimsun(they do)06:53
antinobody_crimsun: what exactly are you doing with the .dsc file that tells you the builddeps?06:53
crimsunantinobody_: the Build-Depends line at [http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qterm/qterm_0.4.0pre3-2.1.dsc] 06:53
crimsunantinobody_: note that's also in your merge directory06:54
antinobody_crimsun: that's simple enough, thanks, I just forgot .dsc's were text files06:55
crimsunnext, it's time to update debian/changelog06:55
crimsunso replace "Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic <mom@ubuntu.com>" with your own info06:55
crimsunin the changelog entry, it's good practice to note what happened to Ubuntu changes06:56
crimsunso I used "- debian/control: Retain python2.4-dev build-dependency."06:57
antinobody_right, easier for the next guy to find06:57
antinobody_or girl06:57
crimsunnext, I use ``fakeroot ../merge-buildpackage -k<your_key_id>''06:58
crimsunthen, I pbuild the merged .dsc, test-install it if possible, and finally upload it06:59
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antinobody_hi nate07:00
antinobody_crimsun: I'm having trouble using merge-buildpackage07:01
crimsunantinobody_: it should be in $(pwd) where you invoked grab-merge.sh07:01
antinobody_dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is07:01
antinobody_no, no, I found it, it just spits out that error07:01
crimsunwhen you invoke merge-buildpackage, you need to be in the root of the extracted & merged source package07:02
crimsunwhich is normally one level /down/ from where you invoked grab-merge.sh07:02
crimsungot that straightened out?07:04
antinobody_I'm in the qterm-* folder07:05
antinobody_but it continues to complain07:05
crimsunwell, you can always use ``debuild -S -v0.4.0pre3-2ubuntu1 -uc -us''07:06
antinobody_ok, sorted out07:06
antinobody_sorry about that07:06
antinobody_had a changelog format issue07:06
antinobody_some line that was where it shouldn't be07:06
crimsunok, let's pick a more interesting one, like quixote07:07
crimsun[http://merges.ubuntu.com/q/quixote/REPORT] 07:07
crimsunyum, lots of conflicts07:08
crimsunso I grab the merge07:08
crimsun...and look at debian/control07:08
crimsunso the first diff3 hunk is pretty straightforward07:09
crimsunI'll drop the stuff marked for quixote-2.3-0.1ubuntu1 (the top) in favour of quixote-2.4-307:09
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crimsunthe only thing I need to do, if I intend to keep the delta (difference from Debian packaging), is remove the build-dependency on python2.3-dev07:10
bddebianGnight folks07:10
antinobody_gnight bddebian07:11
crimsunsecond hunk is a bit more interesting07:12
crimsunlet's presume for the moment that I want to retain the delta and just ship for python2.407:12
crimsunI just need to delete that whole Ubuntu section07:13
crimsunthen change "Depends: python2.3-quixote (=${Source-Version})" to "Depends: python2.4-quixote (=${Source-Version})"07:14
crimsunthen remove the rest of the binary package section for python2.3-quixote07:15
crimsunnow as a side note, what I could have done is gone with the python-support transition, which eliminates all this juggling of python2.x{,-dev}07:15
crimsunin any case, I now have a python2.4-only quixote debian/control07:16
antinobody_by "that whole Ubuntu section" you were referring to the <<<<<<< quixote-2.3-4.1ubuntu1 (ubuntu) line, right?07:17
crimsunjust those three lines, yes07:17
Lathiatah i love bzr and how you can just init the repo in a directory and off you go07:17
crimsunLathiat: indeed.07:18
crimsuntoo bad that inital push has that comestic bug07:18
Lathiatcosmetic bug07:18
crimsunreally turned me for a loop when I first saw "0 revision(s)..."07:18
crimsuninitial, rather07:19
Lathiatdont remember that07:19
crimsunantinobody_: ok, the next file mentioned, debian/postinst, can be ignored07:21
crimsunantinobody_: so we can just remove debian/postinst.UBUNTU07:21
antinobody_is debian/postint always unimporant? or is there something about this case that makes it so?07:23
crimsunantinobody_: no, this is an individual case07:23
crimsunantinobody_: the reason is that the newer Debian source package no longer uses a debian/postinst07:24
antinobody_crimsun: ah...07:24
crimsunas for debian/quixote.lintian, we should remove the ubuntu section and leave only the debian one07:25
crimsunin debian/rules, we'll go with Debian, so we'll kill the PYTHON var07:27
crimsunthen all we have to do is comment out references to $(PYTHON23)07:28
crimsunone in build-stamp, two in clean, and two in install07:29
crimsunthen you can merge-buildpackage again, build it, test it, upload it07:30
crimsunbut in this case, I'm going to be lazy and request a sync07:30
antinobody_two in clean?07:30
crimsunerr, no, I'm going to merge it but add the python2.3 version07:31
crimsunyeah, there're:07:31
crimsun#       $(PYTHON23) setup.py clean --all07:31
crimsun#       -rm -rf $(CURDIR)/debian/python2.3-quixote07:31
crimsunalthough I suppose you don't /have/ to comment the second because of the -f07:32
antinobody_ok, I see07:32
crimsunantinobody_: any clearer now?07:37
antinobody_crimsun: a bit07:37
crimsunonce you work through several more, you'll get the hang of it07:37
antinobody_it seems like the kind of thing only practice can solidify07:37
antinobody_crimsun: how do I report these?07:38
crimsun"these" being...?07:38
antinobody_crimsun: merges/syncs which have been checked/fixed07:39
crimsunif you work on a merge, you can either file a bug in Launchpad and assign it to motureviewers; or you upload merged source packages to REVU, or you can file sync requests and have a MOTU sign off/approve, then subscribe ubuntu-archive07:40
antinobody_ok, if I file a bug, would it make sense to uplead the packages to REVU as well?07:40
crimsungenerally, yes07:41
crimsunor point them to your own Web space, etc., as long as the URLs are in the bug report07:41
antinobody_all right07:42
antinobody_thank you07:42
bluefoxicycan somebody fix dosemu07:44
bluefoxicyI can neither upgrade it nor remove it07:44
bluefoxicydue to xfonts-dosemu07:45
bluefoxicycrimsun:  yes.07:45
bluefoxicycrimsun:  it's preventing me from upgrading ANYTHING on edgy, due to a broken post-install script07:45
bluefoxicyno upgrades, no testing.07:45
crimsunhmm, I can't upgrade anything due to apt07:45
bluefoxicywhen i try to upgrade anything else apt/dpkg immediately tries to finish up xfonts-dosemu and goes "Nope this doesn't work time to bail out"07:46
bluefoxicycrimsun:  hmm.  Wow.  Apt is in my queue of things that need updating07:46
crimsunyeah, I'm a bit weary of that one07:47
crimsunE: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/extended_states, E: Failed to open StateFile /var/lib/apt/extended_states, etc.07:47
crimsunwary, rather07:47
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raphinkwell it's cups that's preventing me from upgraind here :07:47
raphinklocalhost cupsd: Unable to read configuration file '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf' - exiting!07:47
bluefoxicyit must be breakshit week for Edgy.07:47
crimsunraphink: I think apt is bong, but I haven't looked more closely07:47
bluefoxicycrimsun:  wait until somebody tries to run SMART instead.07:48
bluefoxicyheh I am still waiting for Xorg 7.1 in Edgy07:48
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nixternalThe following packages have unmet dependencies: aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 but it is not installable    <- how bad is that error message?08:02
fowlduck-supposing I have a directory full of debs, including all dependency packages, is there a way to install all of them in the proper order so as to not have to sort them by dependencies?08:05
crimsunfowlduck-: sure, just chuck them at dpkg08:05
fowlduck-crimsun, dpkg -i *.deb?08:06
fowlduck-sweeeeet, danke08:06
crimsun'morning sivang08:06
fowlduck-too many world war 2 games, i think08:06
crimsunnixternal: potentially very. That's Edgy, though, no?08:07
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nixternalcrimsun: i also noticed i have 'W: Failure while configuring base packages' errors08:13
crimsunnixternal: they probably have to do with Edgy being Edgy.08:13
nixternalhehe...maybe if i wait, and rebuild later then?08:14
nixternali have seen that error b4 when i did anything with a repo and a file was being up'd to it08:14
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fowlduckcrimsun, I'm currently using 'dh_install scalpel /usr/bin' to install that file in that directory.  Is there another way to do this, or is this the official way?08:32
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crimsunfowlduck: you can use dh_install(1), sure09:10
fowlduckcrimsun, so keep it how it is?09:11
crimsunfowlduck: or use .install09:12
fowlduckcrimsun, i couldn't figure out .install09:12
crimsunsee the examples in dh_install(1)?09:12
fowlduckyep, didn't make sense to me though, I'm sorry.  I know this is annoying09:13
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dholbachgood morning motu world09:49
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fowlduckMy pbuild is failing and I can't figure out why, could someone take a look? http://pastebin.ca/7857110:02
crimsunline 18410:04
crimsunwhere is 'foremost.sgml' in the source tree?10:04
fowlduckin the source root10:04
crimsunmeaning in foremost-version/  and not in foremost-version/ubuntu/ ?10:05
fowlduckummm, yes10:05
crimsunthen your path, as used on line 184, is incorrect10:06
crimsuninstead of10:06
crimsundocbook-to-man ubuntu/foremost.sgml > foremost.110:06
crimsunit should be10:06
crimsundocbook-to-man $(pwd)/foremost.sgml > foremost.110:07
crimsunor just: docbook-to-man foremost.sgml > foremost.110:07
fowlducktrying the first one now10:08
crimsun(they're equivalent)10:09
fowlduckhmmm, still fails10:09
fowlducksame error10:09
fowlduckso that would mean it's not getting copied to the source during debuild -S?10:10
crimsunextract the source package that you're pbuilding and check if it's in there10:10
fowlduckoh, haha, it's already converted10:10
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crimsunsettles that.10:11
DarkMageZwith svn, is it possible to downgrade to a particular revision?10:14
DarkMageZnormally i'd just wipe the whole lot, and get it all clean... but this is a 400mb+ codebase10:14
fowlduckcrimsun, http://pastebin.ca/7857610:16
fowlduckcrimsun, is it because I'm attempting to install into /usr/local?10:17
fowlduckcool, thanks10:17
crimsunyou need to install into $(pwd)/debian/foobarblah10:17
fowlduckhmmm, that would require changing their makefile10:20
crimsunyes, that's why $DESTDIR is used10:21
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fowlduckcrimsun, http://pastebin.ca/7858210:28
fowlduckstill throwin errors in my face, I must be missing something, any thoughts ?10:28
crimsun(sec, I'm at work)10:30
crimsunline 1210:30
fowlduckcrimsun, no problem :)10:30
crimsunwhy do you insist on installing to the system-wide /usr/ ?10:30
crimsunit needs to be installed relative the extracted source10:30
crimsunrelative to^10:31
fowlduckohhhh, ok10:31
fowlduckwait, that install is  in their makefile10:31
fowlducknot in the rules10:31
crimsunhack the Makefile to honour $DESTDIR10:31
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fowlduckcrimsun, ok, i'll do my best, thanks10:32
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fowlduckcrimsun, how do I make it honour $DESTDIR?10:43
crimsunfowlduck: change the destination10:44
crimsunthen in debian/rules, make sure you pass DESTDIR=$(pwd)/debian/foobarblah10:45
fowlduckcrimsun, it uses three different destinations, one for man, one for bin, and one for conf10:46
crimsunsurely you can coalesce them?10:46
crimsunif they install to $DESTDIR/usr/share/man/, $DESTDIR/usr/bin/, and $DESTDIR/etc/, respectively, that would be sufficient10:48
fowlduckWell, I'd have to install them in the same directory then, currently BIN=/usr/bin, MAN=/usr/share/man/man1/, and CONF=....10:48
fowlduckok, cool10:48
fowlduckheh, sorry about all the dumb questions, I'm tryin here :D10:48
crimsunI take it this package does not use autotools?10:48
fowlducknot that I can tell, I guess I don't know what autotools are10:49
crimsunautoconf, automake, libtool10:49
fowlduckautoconf i'd guess, I've seen that before10:49
crimsun./configure && make && make install, etc.10:50
fowlduckno configure, but make and make install it has10:50
crimsunright, that's fairly standard Makefile10:50
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fowlduckcrimsun, ok, thanks :D10:54
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fowlduckstill here, don't worry ;)11:07
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cbx33hi all11:19
cbx33any one here setup xgl and compiz?11:19
cbx33on amd64?11:19
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\shcbx33: wrong channel, please use #ubuntu or #ubuntu-xgl11:23
cbx33thankx \sh11:26
cbx33I'll do that when I get home11:26
cbx33I can't get into those channels right now cgi-irc isn't configured11:27
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Hobbseehi all11:35
Yagisanevening Hobbsee11:37
Hobbseehey Yagisan :)11:37
YagisanHobbsee: I'm not feeling to well today. Somewhat out of my head :( On the other hand, my coding ability seems to be on fire today o_O11:39
\shThe following packages have unmet dependencies:11:42
\sh  aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 but it is not installable11:42
HobbseeYagisan: hehe yay!11:43
HobbseeYagisan: probably a side effect of not feeling well11:44
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dabaRthe dapper version of hplip says it is 0.9.7. On the hplip site, they have 1.6.6. Is it really that big of a gap between the newest and ubuntu versions?12:10
dabaRI have a printer that is acting wonky, so I am looking into compiling the newest version.12:10
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fowlduckcrimsun, ping01:53
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ajmitchhi zul01:59
\shbin-i386/diet gcc -pipe -nostdinc -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -falign-functions=1 -falign-jumps=1 -falign-loops=1 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -Wall -W -Wchar-subscripts -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-switch -Wno-unused -Wredundant-decls -o bin-i386/elftrunc contrib/elftrunc.c01:59
\shmake[1] : *** [bin-i386/elftrunc]  Segmentation fault01:59
zulhey ajmitch how is it going?01:59
YagisanG'day ajmitch01:59
ajmitchhello \sh01:59
ajmitchhi Yagisan01:59
Hobbseehi Yagisan01:59
YagisanI've decided I like cmake02:00
Yagisan3 seconds to configure, rather then 30+02:00
Yagisanreadable output02:00
Yagisanajmitch: I signed your key yesterday. All you need to do is sync it. (and not forget me)02:03
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ajmitchI've got your business card here, will sign now02:03
ajmitchhey whiprush02:03
Yagisanajmitch: handy having fingerprints on the business card isn't it :)02:04
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ajmitchYagisan: quite02:06
ajmitchyou should get an email soon (I hope)02:06
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ajmitchok, back later (sometime)02:08
Yagisanno worries02:08
\shif someone would approve https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/fonttools/+bug/51824 thx mom sync02:09
UbugtuMalone bug 51824 in fonttools "sync fonttools 1.99+2.0b1+cvs20060225-1 from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 02:09
seaLnei can't remember how syncing with debian works is everything that wasn't changed in ubuntu automatically done?02:15
tsengif you have an ubuntu version you have to merge it by hand02:16
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tsengor rather, fix up the merge from MoM02:16
tsengif you are into that kind of thing02:16
seaLnei mean if there is no ubuntu version the current in dapper is just the debian package02:16
tsengso it is just updated02:16
seaLnebut it will be done, just in awhile02:17
fowlduckcrimsun, ping02:18
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fowlduckso, i'm packaging this app, and I'm wondering what determines the directory structure of the pbuild environment?02:24
tsengI don't understand that question02:24
tsengwhat directory structure02:24
fowlduckI get this error: http://pastebin.ca/7867702:25
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tsenginstall: target `/ubuntu/foremost/usr/bin/' is not a directory: No such file or directory02:26
tsengright where in the world did you come up with that02:26
fowlduckwas in the makefile02:26
tsengI doubt it.02:26
tsengunless it has a hard time with DISTDIR02:26
fowlduckhad to make it use destdir02:26
fowlduckmodify it02:27
tsengright dest02:27
fowlduckcrimsun was helpin me02:27
tsengwell, it still isnt using it02:27
tsengor you set it in a very bizzare way02:27
fowlducktseng, could you maybe take a peek at my makefile and rules?02:28
tsengpretty busy merging monodevelop unfortunately02:28
fowlduckawww, ok, thanks though02:28
tsengwhat did you set DESTDIR to02:29
fowlduck$(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(pwd)/ubuntu/foremost02:29
fowlducki'm thoroughly confused :(02:30
tsengit isnt PWD02:30
tsengand it isnt ubuntu02:30
tsengis alot closer02:30
fowlducki'll give it a shot, thanks02:30
fowlduckshould foremost have the version?02:30
tseng    $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp02:31
tsengis an example02:31
fowlduckthx, i'll give it a run02:31
fowlducktseng, wow, it got further than before, thanks! :)02:33
fowlducksweet, it finished02:34
fowlducknow time to test02:34
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fowlduckawesome, they're both done, it's all done!02:36
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fowlducktseng, so it automatically creates a "debian/packagename" directory in the pbulder environment, into which the files are installed?02:37
tsengthe "pbuilder environment" has nothing to do with it02:37
tsengbut yes if makes a folder where you put the DESTDIR, under debian/foo02:38
tsengand from that02:38
tsengyou copy those files into the package02:38
tsengto ultimately be installed on your real filesystem02:38
fowlduck"if makes"02:38
tsengin between make install and building the package you can add/move/delete files02:38
fowlduckand the files are installed under debian/foo with the same path they would have in the real filesystem?  ex: /usr/bin/foremost would be in $(CURDIR)/debian/foremost/usr/bin/foremost?02:40
fowlduckok, i see, so it's more or less a template of where they will go in the actual filesystem.  The dirs file holds what directories are to be created in the mock filesystem and make install actually puts them there02:42
fowlduckthis is all making some sort of crazy sense now02:42
fowlduckthanks again, you motu guys rock02:42
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tsenghi whiprush02:53
fowlduckhi whiprush, i don't know you but hello nonetheless02:55
jsgotangcowhiprush: jorge castro!02:55
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Mithrandirhi Hobbsee03:15
Hobbseehey Mithrandir :)03:15
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HobbseeMithrandir: not much, dropped ajmitch back at his hotel03:21
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seaLnewhat should the build-dep be for something that requires kernel headers?04:02
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fowlduckwhich debhelper command is used to install configuration files?04:34
azeemthe regular dh_install04:35
fowlduckazeem, and dh_install can't be used on two lines in a row, right?04:35
fowlduckdh_install scalpel /usr/bin04:35
fowlduckdh_install scalpel.conf /etc/scalpel04:36
fowlduckyou can't double that up like that, can you?04:36
azeemI think you can04:36
azeemor just put that information into debian/<package>.install04:36
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fowlduckbuilding now, lets see if I have it04:40
fowlducki think i'm getting the hang of this packaging stuff04:40
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fowlduckwow, i'm actually half-way competent.  I made that change without a hitch04:45
fowlduckis there any reason that everything would be removed when removing the packages except the configuration files and their directories?  Is that default behaviour?04:52
seaLneif it thinks they have been changed, yes04:54
fowlduckseaLne, hmm, well they haven't been.  Is there something I need to do in the rules to make them be removed?04:55
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seaLnenot sure, i presume they go with --purge?04:59
fowlducklet me try05:00
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cypher_is a chroot mandatory for building a package ?05:16
fowlduckseaLne, no, purge doesn't work, it seems05:16
azeemcypher_: it's at least highly recommended05:17
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cypher_azeem, is it for finding the dependencies or something else ?05:17
azeembut as Ubuntu does not allow binary uploads your possibly broken build environment will not affect users05:18
tsengunless the chroot on the buildd is broken too :)05:18
tsengbut yes, its generally good05:18
azeemtseng: well, then it's at least not your fault :)05:19
cypher_azeem, i am trying to build a package..05:19
dholbachanyone care to rebuild  anjuta gnome-apt gnome-mud grip gtk-sharp gtk-sharp2 gtk-sharp-unstable gtkterm  for libvte4 -> libvte9 transition?05:20
fowlducktseng, what is the method of indicating what the configuration files are so that they will be removed with the packages?05:20
cypher_hi dholbach !!05:20
azeemcypher_: a chroot is most handy if you want to build for a version of Ubuntu you do not have installed (like edgy packages on your dapper system)05:20
tsengdholbach: i can do gtk-sharp stuff05:20
dholbachhi cypher_05:20
dholbachtseng: nice :)05:20
tsengwe still have gkt-sharp-unstable?05:20
fowlduckdholbach, let me get right on that....j/k ;)05:20
tsengi have asked at least 4 times05:20
tsengto have it removed05:20
azeemfowlduck: are you bddebian?05:20
azeemhrm, no05:21
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fowlduckazeem, nope05:21
tsengdholbach: I will not build gtk-sharp-unstable, it should not exist05:21
dholbachtseng: file a bug and assign it to ubuntu-archive05:22
tsengI am tired of that05:22
tsengbut ok maybe in a bit05:22
tsengdholbach: gtk-sharp, gtk-sharp2 are done, enjoy05:24
fowlduckwow, that was fast05:25
dholbachrock on05:25
tsengI'm just that good05:25
fowlduckyou're that good, eh?  Pop Quiz!!! what is the method of indicating what the configuration files are so that they will be removed with the packages?05:26
fowlduckhehe, i'm sneaky05:26
fowlduckor not05:27
tsenggive me a second05:27
fowlducktseng, ahh, thanks :)05:27
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tsengapache2 was not a good choice to look at ...05:28
fowlduckoh, hum05:28
tsengit might just be things in /etc05:29
fowlducktseng, precisely what I'm trying to remove05:29
fowlducktseng, specifically with dpkg -r purge package05:29
fowlduckso how do I go about identifying them to debhelper?05:30
fowlduckas conf files05:30
tsengi dont understand05:30
tsengyour statements seem contradictory05:30
fowlduckok, as it is my conf files are not being removed for some reason, even when I do a purge.  I'm trying to figure out how to allow them to be removed with purge, but not with normal package removal05:31
fowlduckas in, I'm trying to figure out how to get dpkg to treat them as conf files05:31
tsengbeats me05:31
fowlduckwhereas right now it seems oblivious to their existence during removal05:31
tsengI dont package daemons05:32
fowlduckI'm going to try adding conffiles.ex, the docs seem to indicate to me that this isn't correct, but it's worth a shot05:33
fowlducki'll let ya know05:34
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dholbachanyone care to rebuild  anjuta gnome-apt gnome-mud grip gtkterm  for libvte4 -> libvte9 transition?06:05
fowlducki wish I could dholbach :/06:07
fowlduckmaybe one day06:07
tsengI wish i could be dholbach too06:07
tsengI can help you, though06:07
fowlduckhe's my hero06:07
fowlduckhelp me or dholbach?06:08
dholbachhaha - you're all flattering me06:08
tsengwhat a guy!06:09
dholbachnice pictures :)06:10
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cypher1tseng, is that you in the photo ?06:17
dholbachthat's me :)06:18
cypher1what was that conference ?06:19
cypher1gnome ?06:19
dholbachhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/tseng/179759225/ is another one06:19
dholbachyeah, that was at GUADEC - just some days ago :)06:19
azeemdholbach: hey I'm curious - was anybody using latex-beamer for their presentations?06:20
dholbachazeem: i didn't ask around06:20
hubwhat is it?06:20
hubazeem: lot of people just use OpenOffice06:20
dholbachyeah, i used it to06:20
azeemhub: it's lets you make spiffy .pdf presentations using LaTeX06:21
azeemguess it's nicer for scientific people06:21
cypher1dholbach, u look great..06:21
dholbachit's the rare occasions where i test ooo (what we leave our users with) :)06:21
dholbachcypher1: you make me blush :)06:21
cypher1where was the conference06:21
hubdholbach: I use OOo only for the presentation program06:22
hubdholbach: I might give KPresent a try next time06:22
dholbachcypher1: near Barcelona06:22
hubcypher1: spain06:22
cypher1no i thought people will be fat after siting for a long time06:22
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azeemcypher1: dholbach is mental, he doesn't sit while hacking06:22
dholbachazeem: hahahaha :)06:23
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cypher1i am getting fat need to do something for that06:23
cypher1although i do not much :)06:24
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cypher1dholbach, is ben collins also from canonical ?06:24
dholbachcypher1: yes, he's BenC in all the channels06:25
dholbachazeem: outside on a big tv screen?06:25
fowlduckI understand that you identify manpages in packagename.manpages, regular files (bin file) in packagename.install, but where do you identify configuration files?06:25
azeemdunno yet06:25
azeemnobody wants to come along for the Theresienwiese06:26
azeemthere's a place with a free Adam Green concert afterwards06:26
fbondfowlduck, packagename.conffiles, I believe06:26
fowlduckfbond, many thanks06:26
fowlduckany idea how it decides where to install it?06:27
fbondhmm, one sec let me look at a package I did06:27
azeemyou have to install them yourself, they just get flagged as conffiles then, AFAIK06:27
fowlduckdoes it need to be similar to packagename.install, where it's package name then path06:27
fowlduckazeem, so they must be included in packagename.install then06:28
azeemyes, I think so06:28
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tsengyou too can be Daniel Holbach06:29
cypher1we have to download a lot of things in breezy to compile a kde source :(06:29
fbondfowlduck, I think that debhelper will automatically assume anything in /etc is a conffile anyway, so you may not need to worry about it06:29
fbondin fact, if you include a conffiles file, and debhelper also picks  up your conffiles, you can get an error06:29
azeemtseng: that's obviously a forged nameplate, or did Canonical change its corporate logo?06:29
tsengazeem: erm, the stamp means "lunch"06:30
azeemah, that was my second guess06:30
tsenga half sun was for breakfast06:30
tsengwhich was useless06:30
fowlduckfbond, so leave off conffile and add it to packagename.install06:30
azeemthey just didn't bother with breakfast for this year's Debconf06:30
tsengi love a good breakfast06:31
tsengbread is not breakfast06:31
hubso canonical is hiring again?06:32
fowlduckhmmm, debian's packaging guide recommends managing conf files in maintainer scripts06:35
tsengdholbach's badge just got 19 views06:36
tseng15 for andreas!06:37
cypher1i viewed 2 times :)06:37
azeemdholbach: just proves people are more interested in your identity than your personality06:37
cypher1ha lol06:37
cypher1azeem, lol06:37
tseng17 views for his hot mug06:37
tsengits close.06:37
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dholbachbye azeem06:38
cypher1any US people here ?06:38
tsengyes of course06:39
=== cypher1 wondering how the celebrations are going on
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tsengqemu could not be any slower to boot a livecd06:40
fowlduckcypher1, i'm not celebrating this year :/06:40
cypher1fowlduck, why06:40
fowlduckcypher1, my wife usually plans these sort of things and she's out of town.  I'm rather reclusive and I have work to do anyways06:41
fowlduckbesides, it's too hot out06:41
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tsenghah, too hot06:41
tsenggood one06:41
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fowlducki can't hand heat06:42
tsengtry Barcelona06:42
fowlducknever have been able to06:42
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tsengit is 10F cooler than Philly atm06:42
tsengthe difference is Philly has fans and AC06:42
tsengBCN is swealtering06:42
fowlduckwant to know what too hot is for me?06:45
fowlduckno, you didn't wanna know06:45
tsengok then.06:45
fowlduckok ok, anything > 7506:45
fowlducki'd die in BCN06:47
fowlduckdon't get any ideas, now06:47
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fowlducktseng, do you know if there is a way to tell with what options dpkg was called, from within the postrm script?06:51
fowlduckno you don't know?  or no there isn't06:51
tsengi think you should be looking for the documentation on this particular issue rather than continuing to ask me06:51
tsengI am not getting any smarter :)06:52
fowlducktseng, ok06:52
fowlducksorry, and thanks06:52
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cypher1 why does kde-dev has a dependency on konqueror.. ?? lol07:20
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fowlducktseng, i found out how to handle those conf files.  you install them normally using dh_install, then you use postrm to remove them.  postrm is always called with an argument of either purge or remove.  If remove is used then postrm is not deleted and is available to be used for purging later.  If purge is used then postrm is run then removed.07:30
fowlducktseng, nice and simple :)07:30
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Kamping_Kaiserlater :)07:38
cypher1is qlist.h part of Qt3 also ?07:46
dholbachaccording to http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=qlist.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=edgy&arch=i386 it's in libqt3-compat-headers and libqt4-dev07:48
dholbachfellas - I'm off07:48
dholbachsee you tomorrow07:48
ograciao dholbach07:49
fowlduckdholbach, stay outta trouble :)07:49
dholbachbye ogra07:49
dholbachfowlduck: o/~ trouble loves me o/~07:49
ogrado you go out to the fan mile ?07:49
dholbachsee you fowlduck07:49
fowlducklaters ;)07:49
dholbachogra: nah, I'll go to a nice ice cream shop near me and they have a big tv screen there which will be crowded with people already :)07:49
cypher1dholbach, yes i guessed it i was installing the compat headers07:50
cypher1dholbach, thanks :)07:50
ogradholbach, ah, cool07:50
dholbachcypher1: de rien07:50
cypher1dholbach, bye :)07:50
dholbachsee you *Wave*07:50
cypher1dholbach, may deustchland win07:51
tsengfowlduck: cool.07:54
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cypher1am i supposed to create the control file08:08
cypher1while packaging ?08:08
fowlduckcypher1, you should, but shouldn't dh_make take care of that for you?08:09
cypher1i am without any tools i think08:09
cypher1i was trying dpkg-deb08:09
cypher1no chroot :)08:09
fowlduckheh, why?08:09
cypher1just built a binary from the package08:09
fowlduckjust wondering08:09
cypher1i need to create a ubuntu minial installation on the new chroot ?08:10
fowlduckcypher1, things that pbuilder makes easy :)08:10
cypher1we need a .dsc for build using pbuilder ?08:14
hubcypher1: yep08:15
cypher1if it is not there we have to create it ?08:17
cypher1i downloaded a kde application soure and built successfully08:18
cypher1but no .dsc file08:18
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bluefoxicyDoes ANYONE know htf to get rid of xfonts-dosemu08:23
hubwhat does depends on it?08:24
hubcypher1: debuild -S08:24
bluefoxicyhub:  it's trying to tell update-fonts-dir to do something08:24
bluefoxicyupdate-fonts-dir --x11r7-layout misc08:26
bluefoxicythat's what it's trying to do.08:26
cypher1hub, hold on08:26
=== bluefoxicy replaces update-fonts-dir with a wrapper script that discards arguments.
crimsunwe haven't transitioned to --x11r7-layout yet08:27
cypher1debuild: fatal error at line 521:08:27
cypher1cannot find readable debian/changelog anywhere!08:27
cypher1Are you in the source code tree?08:27
bluefoxicycrimsun: $2- was the bash syntax right?08:27
bluefoxicyi HATE the bash man page08:28
bluefoxicysearching for anything is impossible.08:28
cypher1hub, did you saw that error08:28
bluefoxicy /shift or /if ...08:28
hubcypher1: that means you are not in a package tree08:28
cypher1hub let me try debhelper :)08:31
bluefoxicyholy shit08:32
bluefoxicyit fork b,ombed.08:32
bluefoxicy /usr/bin/update-fonts-dir: 3: Cannot fork08:32
bluefoxicybluefox@icebox:/usr/bin$ ps -e|grep update-fonts|wc -l08:35
bluefoxicyno, screw that.08:35
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bluefoxicyguys friggin ' help me we'2re at war here, I'm losing memory fast and the system is getting laggy08:36
=== bluefoxicy can't believe he has to fight dpkg because it's fork bombing his system >:|
cypher1hub, thanks08:41
cypher1seems like dh_make and dpkg-deb disagrees :D08:43
cypher1catch you all later..08:43
cypher1going to watch germany - italy match on tv08:43
fowlduckdo the "menu" files work under ubuntu?08:46
fowlduckheh, nope08:47
crimsunfowlduck: yes, they do. You just need the menu-xdg package installed.08:52
fowlduckcrimsun, thanks, and welcome back08:52
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fowlduckapropos menu09:02
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fowlduckhow do you add a menu item to the menu?09:12
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crimsunto which menu?09:13
fowlduckthe "start" menu09:13
fowlduckas in the applications/places/system09:13
crimsunoh, the gnome menu?09:13
fowlduckyes please :)09:14
crimsunit just needs a valid fd.o menu entry09:14
crimsunsee the numerous examples in /usr/share/applications/*.desktop09:14
fowlduckand then just toss it in there for it to show up?09:15
crimsunyou may need to call dh_desktop in debian/rules for mime types, etc.09:19
sladenbluefoxicy: looks like a bug, can you report it please09:20
bluefoxicysladen:  it's kind of hackey, I blocked out the --x11r7-layout argument09:21
fowlduckcrimsun, i'm not sure what mime-types are09:22
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bddebianHowdy gang09:25
bddebianHello fowlduck09:26
sladenbluefoxicy: please file a bug, along with any solution/work around you found09:27
bluefoxicysladen: so far my "work-around" is fixing /etc/security/limits.conf so dpkg breaks without fork-bombing my ass.09:29
bluefoxicyas for making it actually work, nope, it's broken.09:29
=== bluefoxicy bugs on xfonts-dosemu though, it's terminally ill.
Amaranthbluefoxicy: what's the problem?09:29
Amaranthtoo many font packages installed?09:29
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bluefoxicyAmaranth:  I have xfonts-dosemu installed, its install/remove scripts are busted and it can't install/remove so when it tries to upgrade it breaks09:30
bluefoxicyAmaranth:  this blocks apt/dpkg updating anything else because it tries to finish with xfonts-dosemu first, and then bails when that fails.09:30
Amaranthkill the remove scripts, uninstall it, then remove it's files manually :P09:30
bluefoxicyAmaranth:  I tried killing its remove scripts, it comes back and says the post-remove script died with status 143 and bails.09:31
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bluefoxicyI also tried replacing /usr/bin/update-fonts-dir with a shell script that does nothing, or removes --x11r7-layout from the arguments, either way you get a fork bomb09:31
hubis edgy runnable?09:32
Amaranthhub: i guess so09:32
bluefoxicyhub:  don't install dosemu09:32
Amaranthhub: if you're upgrading from dapper you have to do some fun stuff when you install the 2.6.17 kernel09:32
crimsunlibata transition (hdX -> scX)09:33
hubcrimsun: I only have sata here09:33
AmaranthhdX  though09:33
crimsunhub: moot, though09:33
Amaranthhub: then no problem09:33
hubAmaranth: I don't know if I want to move to a more recent kernel09:33
hubI had to downgrade from dapper final09:33
crimsunyou love the kernel crack.09:33
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hubbecause -23 was crashing09:34
Amaranth2.6.17 is supposed to have a driver for my card reader09:34
hubsalut encolpe09:34
Amaranthi'm thinking about backporting it to dapper :P09:34
encolpeplop hub09:34
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hubAmaranth: -23 in Dapper freeze on wake up09:34
zulAmaranth: good luck on that09:34
hubAmaranth: I went down to -1909:34
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bluefoxicybug filed.09:36
sladenta, what's the number?09:36
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fowlduck-ugh, i hit my power cable09:39
bddebiancrimsun: got a sec?09:42
crimsunbddebian: what's up?09:42
bddebiancrimsun: Mind if I /query?09:43
\shlive from the world championships09:50
encolpeLike Brice ?09:50
\shgermany vs. italy09:50
\shgermany will loose09:51
Yagisanmaybe they should dive like italy did for a penalty09:51
\shmy friends here are going to kill me, they are reading whatever I write here09:52
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fowlduckwow, got that package first shot10:03
fowlducki feel all special10:03
bddebianHeya LaserJock10:03
LaserJockhi bddebian10:03
fowlduckwb LaserJock10:03
LaserJockhi fowlduck10:04
fowlduckLaserJock, did ya hear?  I got this package in one attempt.10:04
fowlducki feel all special10:04
LaserJockyeah, cool.10:04
fowlducki was redoing it from when I did it yesterday, but still :D10:05
Amaranthcongrats \sh10:06
Amaranthi'm still not even MOTU :P10:07
\shAmaranth: it is time10:14
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fowlduckargh, then a completely separate package i haven't touched just breaks10:23
crimsunbluekuja: ping, #ubuntu-meeting, your application for ubuntu-dev10:24
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fowlduckheh, had to hack some C to fix it, heh10:41
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bddebianGrr, why can't this piece of crap find CLK_TCK11:29
slomo_bddebian: CLOCKS_PER_SEC is what you want11:38
bddebianWell that's what I thought but CLK_TCK is defined CLOCKS_PER_SEC11:39
slomo_only if some other constants are defined11:39
=== bddebian wonders if it builds on Debian
slomo_if they have glibc 2.4 it won't afaik11:40
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