[12:58] <_ion> zo to open a fold, zc to close it. zi to toggle folding on/off.
[12:58] <_ion> zm and zr to change the folding level.
[01:08] <bluefoxicy> "* you should prepend "Homepage:" to the webpage URL in control long description "
[01:09] <bluefoxicy>  A guide can be found at:
[01:09] <bluefoxicy>  .
[01:09] <bluefoxicy>  http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/pax-utils.xml
[01:09] <bluefoxicy> That is hardly a homepage.
[01:09] <bluefoxicy> (it doesn't contain a link to download it)
[01:30] <zul> hey
[01:47] <zul> i love being sick
[01:49] <LaserJock> me too :(
[01:49] <zul> especailly on a day off
[01:51] <LaserJock> I'm still trying to get over my end-of-Paris cold
[01:51] <zul> still?
[01:52] <LaserJock> yep
[01:52] <LaserJock> been over a week now
[01:52] <zul> thats not good
[01:52] <LaserJock> I'm close to being done
[01:52] <zul> maybe its a tumor ;)
[01:52] <LaserJock> I doubt
[01:52] <zul> sorry..long running joke in my family
[01:55] <jsgotangco> err that's way too long for a cold
[01:56] <zul> anyone seen ajmitch around?
[01:56] <jsgotangco> not lately, i heard he's on holiday in au
[01:56] <tseng> hah
[01:56] <tseng> holiday
[01:56] <tseng> good one.
[01:56] <zul> must be slacking off
[01:56] <crimsun> he was active 13h 20m ago
[01:57] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: flu maybe?
[01:57] <crimsun> silly american pigdog sickness?
[01:58] <zul> heh i think i said that about a week ago ;)
[01:58] <LaserJock> crimsun: but I got it in France :-)
[01:58] <zul> its the french revengre for changing french fires to freedom fries
[01:59] <crimsun> I thought that line (silly english pigdogs) was from purported frenchmen
[01:59] <jsgotangco> the french had their revenge on him inside the metro or somewhere in the notre dame :)
[01:59] <zul> crimsun: monty python
[01:59] <crimsun> zul: yeah, I'm just trying to remember if they were "french"
[02:00] <crimsun> in that part of the skit
[02:00] <zul> they were
[02:00] <crimsun> right
[02:00] <crimsun> oh well, completely over LaserJock's head :/
[02:00] <zul> that reminds me i wanna see if i can fine some black adder
[02:02] <LaserJock> crimsun: sorry, you didn't say it with the weird French accent ;-)
[02:03] <crimsun> yeah, that doesn't go over too well in text, my bad
[02:04] <LaserJock> we'd have to move over to the Team Speak server for that
[02:05] <Amaranth> zul: did you get that "long running joke" from kindergarten cop? :)
[02:06] <zul> i never seen kindergaten cop
[02:06] <Amaranth> "it's not a tumar!"
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[02:08] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:08] <jsgotangco> haha
[02:09] <zul> "Got to get to mars!
[02:09] <Amaranth> http://www.elevatedloc.com/cfool/JournalEntries/5.05.98.html#Tumor
[02:09] <Amaranth> i think whoever started that joke in your family saw that movie :P
[02:10] <zul> perhaps
[03:10] <freeflying|away> any REVU admin here?
[03:12] <tseng> does anyone else have a horked up gnome-panel
[03:15] <LaserJock> in edgy?
[03:16] <whiprush> tseng: everything normal here.
[03:17] <tseng> bong
[03:17] <tseng> LaserJock: yes
[03:17] <tseng> i rm -rf .gnome* .gconf*
[03:18] <tseng> and still no love
[03:22] <whiprush> LOL
[03:23] <tseng> it starts up
[03:23] <tseng> and will draw some part of it
[03:23] <tseng> most of the time clicking is useless
[03:23] <tseng> and parts are never drawn
[03:24] <whiprush> not an applet hanging it up is it?
[03:24] <tseng> probably is
[03:24] <tseng> but i cant tell what
[03:24] <tseng> and i rm'd like i said
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee and bddebian
[03:49] <zul> hey
[03:49] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock, zul, Hobbsee
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian and LaserJock
[05:40] <nate_> hi
[05:40] <nate_> ugh
[05:40] <crimsun> bddebian: ping
[05:45] <bddebian> crimsun: Yo?
[05:46] <crimsun> bddebian: if you have time, please grab http://sh.nu/~crimsun/openvpn-breezy/ , resign, and upload to security.upload.ubuntu.com
[05:46] <bddebian> Can I do that?
[05:46] <crimsun> yes
[05:47] <bddebian> crimsun: I'm happy to but why do you need me to do it?
[05:47] <crimsun> because security uses some screwed key retrieval method that keeps failing my expired key.
[05:47] <bddebian> Ah
[05:48] <crimsun> coincidentally the same key used to sign all my Edgy uploads.
[05:48] <crimsun> go figure.
[05:48] <bddebian> heh
[05:49] <bddebian> Just debsign?
[05:49] <crimsun> if you trust me
[05:49] <crimsun> otherwise I've placed the entire source package there, and you can dpkg-source -x and rebuild it
[05:49] <bddebian> Hmm maybe I'll do that only because I don't know debsign :-)
[05:50] <crimsun> approval here from pitti if you need the ok.  [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/security-review/2006-July/000421.html] 
[05:51] <bddebian> Do I need -sa?
[05:51] <crimsun> no
[05:54] <bddebian> Sent
[05:54] <crimsun> thank ye
[05:54] <bddebian> Anytime man
[05:54] <bddebian> Glad to be of SOME use
[06:25] <antinobody> this whole MOM thing confuzzles me
[06:32] <crimsun> antinobody: what's unclear?
[06:32] <antinobody> crimsun: the protocol, mostly
[06:34] <antinobody> crimsun: is the process mostly to go through the autogenerated merged packages, and make sure everything works, and if it doesn't, fix it?
[06:34] <crimsun> antinobody: yes
[06:34] <crimsun> want me to walk you through one?
[06:34] <crimsun> (or a couple)
[06:35] <anibal> crimsun, is there a web page for new ubuntu packages waiting for approval?
[06:35] <antinobody> crimsun: sure, if you're up to it
[06:36] <crimsun> anibal: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[06:36] <anibal> crimsun, ta
[06:36] <crimsun> anibal: nfs-utils is fabbione's package (he last touched it), so I pinged him for permission to upload (giving him a URL to your merged source package)
[06:37] <anibal> crimsun, ok
[06:39] <crimsun> antinobody: ok, pick a merge
[06:40] <crimsun> or if you'd like, I can just choose one of mine and go through it.
[06:41] <crimsun> antinobody: let's start with qterm [http://merges.ubuntu.com/q/qterm/REPORT] 
[06:42] <crimsun> antinobody: generally I keep three separate Web browser tabs open: 1) package/REPORT; 2) http://packages.ubuntu.com/src:package ; 3) http://packages.qa.debian.org/srcpackage
[06:43] <crimsun> (1) refers to the MoM REPORT; (2) refers to Ubuntu's package info; (3) refers to Debian's package info
[06:44] <crimsun> so starting with (1), or the MoM REPORT, the first thing to do is check whether there are outstanding conflicts in the autogenerated merge. If there are, they will be listed toward the end of the REPORT marked by "C" or "C*"
[06:45] <crimsun> antinobody_:  did you catch any of that?
[06:45] <antinobody_> crimsun: he vuelvo
[06:45] <antinobody_> wait...
[06:45] <antinobody_> yo he vuelto
[06:45] <antinobody_> crimsun: nope
[06:45] <antinobody_> crimsun: sorry
[06:45] <antinobody_> crimsun: had to reboot into the kubuntu edgy install, it's the only one with a pbuilder environment set up
[06:45] <crimsun> antinobody_: let's start with qterm [http://merges.ubuntu.com/q/qterm/REPORT] 
[06:45] <crimsun> antinobody_: generally I keep three separate Web browser tabs open: 1) package/REPORT; 2) http://packages.ubuntu.com/src:package ; 3) http://packages.qa.debian.org/srcpackage
[06:45] <antinobody_> okay
[06:46] <crimsun> antinobody_: (1) refers to the MoM REPORT; (2) refers to Ubuntu's package info; (3) refers to Debian's package info
[06:46] <crimsun> antinobody_:  so starting with (1), or the MoM REPORT, the first thing to do is check whether there are outstanding conflicts in the autogenerated merge. If there are, they will be listed toward the end of the REPORT marked by "C" or "C*"
[06:47] <crimsun> antinobody_: (I'll give you a sec to catch up)
[06:47] <antinobody_> right, I don't see any
[06:47] <crimsun> antinobody_: right, so in this case, we just need to inspect the merged source package
[06:48] <antinobody_> I see
[06:48] <crimsun> antinobody_: I have a /tmp/merges/  , and I just use: ../grab-merge.sh qterm
[06:48] <crimsun> [http://merges.ubuntu.com/grab-merge.sh] 
[06:48] <antinobody_> right, I'm familiar, and have a similar folder
[06:49] <crimsun> antinobody_: since the merge turned out ok, we just need to eyeball what the Debian source package has versus what we have
[06:50] <crimsun> so I'll first use [http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qterm/qterm_0.4.0pre3-2.1.dsc]  and [http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/q/qterm/qterm_0.4.0pre3-2ubuntu1/changelog] 
[06:51] <crimsun> the main things I'm checking for are whether Debian's build-dependencies have absorbed Ubuntu's
[06:51] <antinobody_> I see
[06:52] <crimsun> here we see that Debian Sid's package is still building against python2.3-dev, but we migrated to python2.4-dev in Dapper
[06:52] <crimsun> so in the merged source package in your merge directory, just make sure all those changes match
[06:53] <crimsun> (they do)
[06:53] <antinobody_> crimsun: what exactly are you doing with the .dsc file that tells you the builddeps?
[06:53] <crimsun> antinobody_: the Build-Depends line at [http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qterm/qterm_0.4.0pre3-2.1.dsc] 
[06:54] <crimsun> antinobody_: note that's also in your merge directory
[06:55] <antinobody_> crimsun: that's simple enough, thanks, I just forgot .dsc's were text files
[06:55] <crimsun> next, it's time to update debian/changelog
[06:55] <crimsun> so replace "Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic <mom@ubuntu.com>" with your own info
[06:56] <crimsun> in the changelog entry, it's good practice to note what happened to Ubuntu changes
[06:57] <crimsun> so I used "- debian/control: Retain python2.4-dev build-dependency."
[06:57] <antinobody_> right, easier for the next guy to find
[06:57] <antinobody_> or girl
[06:58] <crimsun> next, I use ``fakeroot ../merge-buildpackage -k<your_key_id>''
[06:59] <crimsun> then, I pbuild the merged .dsc, test-install it if possible, and finally upload it
[07:00] <nate_> hi
[07:00] <antinobody_> hi nate
[07:00] <LaserJock> merge-buildpackage?
[07:01] <antinobody_> crimsun: I'm having trouble using merge-buildpackage
[07:01] <crimsun> antinobody_: it should be in $(pwd) where you invoked grab-merge.sh
[07:01] <antinobody_> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
[07:01] <antinobody_> no, no, I found it, it just spits out that error
[07:02] <crimsun> when you invoke merge-buildpackage, you need to be in the root of the extracted & merged source package
[07:02] <crimsun> which is normally one level /down/ from where you invoked grab-merge.sh
[07:04] <crimsun> got that straightened out?
[07:05] <antinobody_> nope...
[07:05] <antinobody_> I'm in the qterm-* folder
[07:05] <antinobody_> but it continues to complain
[07:06] <crimsun> well, you can always use ``debuild -S -v0.4.0pre3-2ubuntu1 -uc -us''
[07:06] <antinobody_> ok, sorted out
[07:06] <antinobody_> sorry about that
[07:06] <antinobody_> had a changelog format issue
[07:06] <antinobody_> some line that was where it shouldn't be
[07:06] <crimsun> ah
[07:07] <crimsun> ok, let's pick a more interesting one, like quixote
[07:07] <crimsun> [http://merges.ubuntu.com/q/quixote/REPORT] 
[07:08] <crimsun> yum, lots of conflicts
[07:08] <crimsun> so I grab the merge
[07:08] <crimsun> ...and look at debian/control
[07:09] <crimsun> so the first diff3 hunk is pretty straightforward
[07:09] <crimsun> I'll drop the stuff marked for quixote-2.3-0.1ubuntu1 (the top) in favour of quixote-2.4-3
[07:10] <crimsun> the only thing I need to do, if I intend to keep the delta (difference from Debian packaging), is remove the build-dependency on python2.3-dev
[07:10] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:11] <antinobody_> gnight bddebian
[07:12] <crimsun> second hunk is a bit more interesting
[07:12] <crimsun> let's presume for the moment that I want to retain the delta and just ship for python2.4
[07:12] <antinobody_> ok
[07:13] <crimsun> I just need to delete that whole Ubuntu section
[07:14] <crimsun> then change "Depends: python2.3-quixote (=${Source-Version})" to "Depends: python2.4-quixote (=${Source-Version})"
[07:15] <crimsun> then remove the rest of the binary package section for python2.3-quixote
[07:15] <crimsun> now as a side note, what I could have done is gone with the python-support transition, which eliminates all this juggling of python2.x{,-dev}
[07:16] <crimsun> in any case, I now have a python2.4-only quixote debian/control
[07:17] <antinobody_> by "that whole Ubuntu section" you were referring to the <<<<<<< quixote-2.3-4.1ubuntu1 (ubuntu) line, right?
[07:17] <crimsun> just those three lines, yes
[07:17] <Lathiat> ah i love bzr and how you can just init the repo in a directory and off you go
[07:18] <crimsun> Lathiat: indeed.
[07:18] <crimsun> too bad that inital push has that comestic bug
[07:18] <Lathiat> cosmetic bug
[07:18] <Lathiat> ?
[07:18] <crimsun> really turned me for a loop when I first saw "0 revision(s)..."
[07:19] <crimsun> initial, rather
[07:19] <Lathiat> hrm
[07:19] <Lathiat> dont remember that
[07:21] <crimsun> antinobody_: ok, the next file mentioned, debian/postinst, can be ignored
[07:21] <crimsun> antinobody_: so we can just remove debian/postinst.UBUNTU
[07:23] <antinobody_> is debian/postint always unimporant? or is there something about this case that makes it so?
[07:23] <crimsun> antinobody_: no, this is an individual case
[07:24] <crimsun> antinobody_: the reason is that the newer Debian source package no longer uses a debian/postinst
[07:24] <antinobody_> crimsun: ah...
[07:25] <crimsun> as for debian/quixote.lintian, we should remove the ubuntu section and leave only the debian one
[07:27] <crimsun> in debian/rules, we'll go with Debian, so we'll kill the PYTHON var
[07:28] <crimsun> then all we have to do is comment out references to $(PYTHON23)
[07:29] <crimsun> one in build-stamp, two in clean, and two in install
[07:30] <crimsun> then you can merge-buildpackage again, build it, test it, upload it
[07:30] <crimsun> but in this case, I'm going to be lazy and request a sync
[07:30] <antinobody_> two in clean?
[07:31] <crimsun> err, no, I'm going to merge it but add the python2.3 version
[07:31] <crimsun> yeah, there're:
[07:31] <crimsun> #       $(PYTHON23) setup.py clean --all
[07:31] <crimsun> #       -rm -rf $(CURDIR)/debian/python2.3-quixote
[07:32] <crimsun> although I suppose you don't /have/ to comment the second because of the -f
[07:32] <antinobody_> ok, I see
[07:37] <crimsun> antinobody_: any clearer now?
[07:37] <antinobody_> crimsun: a bit
[07:37] <crimsun> once you work through several more, you'll get the hang of it
[07:37] <antinobody_> it seems like the kind of thing only practice can solidify
[07:37] <crimsun> right
[07:38] <antinobody_> crimsun: how do I report these?
[07:38] <crimsun> "these" being...?
[07:39] <antinobody_> crimsun: merges/syncs which have been checked/fixed
[07:40] <crimsun> if you work on a merge, you can either file a bug in Launchpad and assign it to motureviewers; or you upload merged source packages to REVU, or you can file sync requests and have a MOTU sign off/approve, then subscribe ubuntu-archive
[07:40] <antinobody_> ok, if I file a bug, would it make sense to uplead the packages to REVU as well?
[07:41] <crimsun> generally, yes
[07:41] <crimsun> or point them to your own Web space, etc., as long as the URLs are in the bug report
[07:42] <antinobody_> all right
[07:42] <antinobody_> thank you
[07:42] <crimsun> np
[07:44] <bluefoxicy> can somebody fix dosemu
[07:44] <bluefoxicy> I can neither upgrade it nor remove it
[07:44] <crimsun> Edgy's?
[07:45] <bluefoxicy> due to xfonts-dosemu
[07:45] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  yes.
[07:45] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  it's preventing me from upgrading ANYTHING on edgy, due to a broken post-install script
[07:45] <bluefoxicy> no upgrades, no testing.
[07:45] <crimsun> hmm, I can't upgrade anything due to apt
[07:46] <bluefoxicy> when i try to upgrade anything else apt/dpkg immediately tries to finish up xfonts-dosemu and goes "Nope this doesn't work time to bail out"
[07:46] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  hmm.  Wow.  Apt is in my queue of things that need updating
[07:47] <crimsun> yeah, I'm a bit weary of that one
[07:47] <crimsun> E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/extended_states, E: Failed to open StateFile /var/lib/apt/extended_states, etc.
[07:47] <crimsun> wary, rather
[07:47] <bluefoxicy> ah.
[07:47] <raphink> well it's cups that's preventing me from upgraind here :
[07:47] <raphink> localhost cupsd: Unable to read configuration file '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf' - exiting!
[07:47] <bluefoxicy> it must be breakshit week for Edgy.
[07:47] <crimsun> raphink: I think apt is bong, but I haven't looked more closely
[07:48] <raphink> ok
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  wait until somebody tries to run SMART instead.
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> heh I am still waiting for Xorg 7.1 in Edgy
[08:02] <nixternal> The following packages have unmet dependencies: aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 but it is not installable    <- how bad is that error message?
[08:05] <sivang> morning
[08:05] <fowlduck-> supposing I have a directory full of debs, including all dependency packages, is there a way to install all of them in the proper order so as to not have to sort them by dependencies?
[08:05] <crimsun> fowlduck-: sure, just chuck them at dpkg
[08:06] <fowlduck-> crimsun, dpkg -i *.deb?
[08:06] <crimsun> yep
[08:06] <fowlduck-> sweeeeet, danke
[08:06] <crimsun> bitte
[08:06] <crimsun> 'morning sivang
[08:06] <fowlduck-> too many world war 2 games, i think
[08:07] <crimsun> nixternal: potentially very. That's Edgy, though, no?
[08:07] <nixternal> ya
[08:13] <nixternal> crimsun: i also noticed i have 'W: Failure while configuring base packages' errors
[08:13] <crimsun> nixternal: they probably have to do with Edgy being Edgy.
[08:14] <nixternal> hehe...maybe if i wait, and rebuild later then?
[08:14] <crimsun> possible
[08:14] <nixternal> i have seen that error b4 when i did anything with a repo and a file was being up'd to it
[08:32] <fowlduck> crimsun, I'm currently using 'dh_install scalpel /usr/bin' to install that file in that directory.  Is there another way to do this, or is this the official way?
[09:10] <crimsun> fowlduck: you can use dh_install(1), sure
[09:11] <fowlduck> crimsun, so keep it how it is?
[09:12] <crimsun> fowlduck: or use .install
[09:12] <fowlduck> crimsun, i couldn't figure out .install
[09:12] <crimsun> see the examples in dh_install(1)?
[09:13] <fowlduck> yep, didn't make sense to me though, I'm sorry.  I know this is annoying
[09:49] <dholbach> good morning motu world
[09:49] <Lathiat> afternoon
[09:50] <\sh> moins
[09:54] <fowlduck> hi
[10:02] <fowlduck> My pbuild is failing and I can't figure out why, could someone take a look? http://pastebin.ca/78571
[10:04] <crimsun> line 184
[10:04] <crimsun> where is 'foremost.sgml' in the source tree?
[10:04] <fowlduck> in the source root
[10:05] <crimsun> meaning in foremost-version/  and not in foremost-version/ubuntu/ ?
[10:05] <fowlduck> ummm, yes
[10:06] <crimsun> then your path, as used on line 184, is incorrect
[10:06] <crimsun> instead of
[10:06] <crimsun> docbook-to-man ubuntu/foremost.sgml > foremost.1
[10:06] <crimsun> it should be
[10:07] <crimsun> docbook-to-man $(pwd)/foremost.sgml > foremost.1
[10:07] <crimsun> or just: docbook-to-man foremost.sgml > foremost.1
[10:08] <fowlduck> trying the first one now
[10:09] <crimsun> (they're equivalent)
[10:09] <fowlduck> hmmm, still fails
[10:09] <fowlduck> same error
[10:10] <fowlduck> so that would mean it's not getting copied to the source during debuild -S?
[10:10] <crimsun> extract the source package that you're pbuilding and check if it's in there
[10:10] <fowlduck> oh, haha, it's already converted
[10:11] <crimsun> settles that.
[10:14] <DarkMageZ> with svn, is it possible to downgrade to a particular revision?
[10:14] <DarkMageZ> normally i'd just wipe the whole lot, and get it all clean... but this is a 400mb+ codebase
[10:16] <fowlduck> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/78576
[10:17] <fowlduck> crimsun, is it because I'm attempting to install into /usr/local?
[10:17] <crimsun> yes
[10:17] <fowlduck> cool, thanks
[10:17] <crimsun> you need to install into $(pwd)/debian/foobarblah
[10:20] <fowlduck> hmmm, that would require changing their makefile
[10:21] <crimsun> yes, that's why $DESTDIR is used
[10:28] <fowlduck> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/78582
[10:28] <fowlduck> still throwin errors in my face, I must be missing something, any thoughts ?
[10:30] <crimsun> (sec, I'm at work)
[10:30] <crimsun> line 12
[10:30] <fowlduck> crimsun, no problem :)
[10:30] <crimsun> why do you insist on installing to the system-wide /usr/ ?
[10:30] <crimsun> it needs to be installed relative the extracted source
[10:31] <crimsun> relative to^
[10:31] <fowlduck> ohhhh, ok
[10:31] <fowlduck> wait, that install is  in their makefile
[10:31] <fowlduck> not in the rules
[10:31] <crimsun> hack the Makefile to honour $DESTDIR
[10:32] <fowlduck> crimsun, ok, i'll do my best, thanks
[10:33] <Toadstool> 'morning
[10:33] <fowlduck> mornin
[10:43] <fowlduck> g'mornin
[10:43] <fowlduck> crimsun, how do I make it honour $DESTDIR?
[10:44] <crimsun> fowlduck: change the destination
[10:45] <crimsun> $(DESTDIR)
[10:45] <crimsun> then in debian/rules, make sure you pass DESTDIR=$(pwd)/debian/foobarblah
[10:46] <fowlduck> crimsun, it uses three different destinations, one for man, one for bin, and one for conf
[10:46] <crimsun> surely you can coalesce them?
[10:48] <crimsun> if they install to $DESTDIR/usr/share/man/, $DESTDIR/usr/bin/, and $DESTDIR/etc/, respectively, that would be sufficient
[10:48] <fowlduck> Well, I'd have to install them in the same directory then, currently BIN=/usr/bin, MAN=/usr/share/man/man1/, and CONF=....
[10:48] <fowlduck> ok, cool
[10:48] <fowlduck> heh, sorry about all the dumb questions, I'm tryin here :D
[10:48] <crimsun> I take it this package does not use autotools?
[10:49] <fowlduck> nope
[10:49] <crimsun> ah.
[10:49] <fowlduck> not that I can tell, I guess I don't know what autotools are
[10:49] <crimsun> autoconf, automake, libtool
[10:49] <fowlduck> autoconf i'd guess, I've seen that before
[10:50] <crimsun> ./configure && make && make install, etc.
[10:50] <fowlduck> no configure, but make and make install it has
[10:50] <crimsun> right, that's fairly standard Makefile
[10:54] <crimsun> ->meeting.
[10:54] <fowlduck> crimsun, ok, thanks :D
[11:07] <fowlduck> still here, don't worry ;)
[11:19] <cbx33> hi all
[11:19] <cbx33> any one here setup xgl and compiz?
[11:19] <cbx33> on amd64?
[11:23] <\sh> cbx33: wrong channel, please use #ubuntu or #ubuntu-xgl
[11:26] <cbx33> thankx \sh
[11:26] <cbx33> I'll do that when I get home
[11:27] <cbx33> I can't get into those channels right now cgi-irc isn't configured
[11:35] <Hobbsee> hi all
[11:37] <Yagisan> evening Hobbsee
[11:37] <Hobbsee> hey Yagisan :)
[11:39] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I'm not feeling to well today. Somewhat out of my head :( On the other hand, my coding ability seems to be on fire today o_O
[11:42] <\sh> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:42] <\sh>   aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 but it is not installable
[11:43] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: hehe yay!
[11:44] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: probably a side effect of not feeling well
[12:10] <dabaR> the dapper version of hplip says it is 0.9.7. On the hplip site, they have 1.6.6. Is it really that big of a gap between the newest and ubuntu versions?
[12:10] <dabaR> I have a printer that is acting wonky, so I am looking into compiling the newest version.
[01:53] <fowlduck> crimsun, ping
[01:56] <Toadstool> re
[01:56] <fowlduck> howdy
[01:58] <zul> hey
[01:59] <ajmitch> hi zul
[01:59] <\sh> bin-i386/diet gcc -pipe -nostdinc -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -falign-functions=1 -falign-jumps=1 -falign-loops=1 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -Wall -W -Wchar-subscripts -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-switch -Wno-unused -Wredundant-decls -o bin-i386/elftrunc contrib/elftrunc.c
[01:59] <\sh> make[1] : *** [bin-i386/elftrunc]  Segmentation fault
[01:59] <zul> hey ajmitch how is it going?
[01:59] <\sh> -EFCK
[01:59] <ajmitch> alright
[01:59] <zul> goody..
[01:59] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch
[01:59] <ajmitch> hello \sh
[01:59] <ajmitch> hi Yagisan
[01:59] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan
[02:00] <Yagisan> I've decided I like cmake
[02:00] <Yagisan> 3 seconds to configure, rather then 30+
[02:00] <Yagisan> readable output
[02:03] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I signed your key yesterday. All you need to do is sync it. (and not forget me)
[02:03] <ajmitch> alright
[02:03] <ajmitch> I've got your business card here, will sign now
[02:03] <ajmitch> hey whiprush
[02:04] <Yagisan> ajmitch: handy having fingerprints on the business card isn't it :)
[02:06] <ajmitch> Yagisan: quite
[02:06] <ajmitch> you should get an email soon (I hope)
[02:07] <ajmitch> :P
[02:08] <ajmitch> ok, back later (sometime)
[02:08] <Yagisan> no worries
[02:09] <\sh> if someone would approve https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/fonttools/+bug/51824 thx mom sync
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51824 in fonttools "sync fonttools 1.99+2.0b1+cvs20060225-1 from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[02:15] <seaLne> i can't remember how syncing with debian works is everything that wasn't changed in ubuntu automatically done?
[02:15] <tseng> no
[02:16] <tseng> if you have an ubuntu version you have to merge it by hand
[02:16] <tseng> or rather, fix up the merge from MoM
[02:16] <tseng> if you are into that kind of thing
[02:16] <seaLne> i mean if there is no ubuntu version the current in dapper is just the debian package
[02:16] <tseng> so it is just updated
[02:17] <seaLne> but it will be done, just in awhile
[02:18] <fowlduck> crimsun, ping
[02:24] <fowlduck> so, i'm packaging this app, and I'm wondering what determines the directory structure of the pbuild environment?
[02:24] <tseng> I don't understand that question
[02:24] <tseng> what directory structure
[02:25] <fowlduck> I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/78677
[02:26] <tseng> install: target `/ubuntu/foremost/usr/bin/' is not a directory: No such file or directory
[02:26] <tseng> right where in the world did you come up with that
[02:26] <fowlduck> was in the makefile
[02:26] <tseng> I doubt it.
[02:26] <tseng> unless it has a hard time with DISTDIR
[02:26] <fowlduck> had to make it use destdir
[02:27] <fowlduck> modify it
[02:27] <tseng> right dest
[02:27] <fowlduck> crimsun was helpin me
[02:27] <tseng> well, it still isnt using it
[02:27] <tseng> or you set it in a very bizzare way
[02:28] <fowlduck> tseng, could you maybe take a peek at my makefile and rules?
[02:28] <tseng> pretty busy merging monodevelop unfortunately
[02:28] <fowlduck> awww, ok, thanks though
[02:29] <tseng> what did you set DESTDIR to
[02:29] <fowlduck> $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(pwd)/ubuntu/foremost
[02:30] <fowlduck> i'm thoroughly confused :(
[02:30] <tseng> it isnt PWD
[02:30] <tseng> and it isnt ubuntu
[02:30] <tseng> $(CURDIR)/debian/foremost
[02:30] <tseng> is alot closer
[02:30] <fowlduck> i'll give it a shot, thanks
[02:30] <fowlduck> should foremost have the version?
[02:31] <tseng>     $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp
[02:31] <tseng> is an example
[02:31] <fowlduck> ok
[02:31] <fowlduck> thx, i'll give it a run
[02:33] <fowlduck> tseng, wow, it got further than before, thanks! :)
[02:33] <tseng> np
[02:34] <fowlduck> sweet, it finished
[02:34] <fowlduck> now time to test
[02:36] <fowlduck> awesome, they're both done, it's all done!
[02:37] <fowlduck> tseng, so it automatically creates a "debian/packagename" directory in the pbulder environment, into which the files are installed?
[02:37] <tseng> the "pbuilder environment" has nothing to do with it
[02:38] <fowlduck> ok?
[02:38] <tseng> but yes if makes a folder where you put the DESTDIR, under debian/foo
[02:38] <tseng> and from that
[02:38] <tseng> you copy those files into the package
[02:38] <tseng> to ultimately be installed on your real filesystem
[02:38] <fowlduck> "if makes"
[02:38] <tseng> in between make install and building the package you can add/move/delete files
[02:39] <tseng> ...it
[02:40] <fowlduck> and the files are installed under debian/foo with the same path they would have in the real filesystem?  ex: /usr/bin/foremost would be in $(CURDIR)/debian/foremost/usr/bin/foremost?
[02:41] <tseng> yes
[02:42] <fowlduck> ok, i see, so it's more or less a template of where they will go in the actual filesystem.  The dirs file holds what directories are to be created in the mock filesystem and make install actually puts them there
[02:42] <fowlduck> this is all making some sort of crazy sense now
[02:42] <tseng> good.
[02:42] <fowlduck> thanks again, you motu guys rock
[02:42] <tseng> np
[02:53] <tseng> hi whiprush
[02:55] <fowlduck> hi whiprush, i don't know you but hello nonetheless
[02:55] <jsgotangco> whiprush: jorge castro!
[02:55] <jsgotangco> :D
[02:57] <tseng> hah..
[03:14] <Hobbsee> boo!
[03:15] <Mithrandir> hi Hobbsee
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir :)
[03:16] <Mithrandir> 'sup?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: not much, dropped ajmitch back at his hotel
[04:02] <seaLne> what should the build-dep be for something that requires kernel headers?
[04:34] <fowlduck> which debhelper command is used to install configuration files?
[04:35] <azeem> the regular dh_install
[04:35] <fowlduck> azeem, and dh_install can't be used on two lines in a row, right?
[04:35] <fowlduck> ex:
[04:35] <fowlduck> dh_install scalpel /usr/bin
[04:36] <fowlduck> dh_install scalpel.conf /etc/scalpel
[04:36] <fowlduck> you can't double that up like that, can you?
[04:36] <azeem> I think you can
[04:36] <azeem> or just put that information into debian/<package>.install
[04:40] <fowlduck> building now, lets see if I have it
[04:40] <fowlduck> i think i'm getting the hang of this packaging stuff
[04:45] <fowlduck> wow, i'm actually half-way competent.  I made that change without a hitch
[04:52] <fowlduck> is there any reason that everything would be removed when removing the packages except the configuration files and their directories?  Is that default behaviour?
[04:54] <seaLne> if it thinks they have been changed, yes
[04:55] <fowlduck> seaLne, hmm, well they haven't been.  Is there something I need to do in the rules to make them be removed?
[04:59] <seaLne> not sure, i presume they go with --purge?
[05:00] <fowlduck> let me try
[05:16] <cypher_> is a chroot mandatory for building a package ?
[05:16] <fowlduck> seaLne, no, purge doesn't work, it seems
[05:17] <azeem> cypher_: it's at least highly recommended
[05:17] <cypher_> azeem, is it for finding the dependencies or something else ?
[05:18] <azeem> but as Ubuntu does not allow binary uploads your possibly broken build environment will not affect users
[05:18] <tseng> unless the chroot on the buildd is broken too :)
[05:18] <tseng> but yes, its generally good
[05:19] <azeem> tseng: well, then it's at least not your fault :)
[05:19] <cypher_> azeem, i am trying to build a package..
[05:19] <cypher_> :)
[05:20] <dholbach> anyone care to rebuild  anjuta gnome-apt gnome-mud grip gtk-sharp gtk-sharp2 gtk-sharp-unstable gtkterm  for libvte4 -> libvte9 transition?
[05:20] <fowlduck> tseng, what is the method of indicating what the configuration files are so that they will be removed with the packages?
[05:20] <cypher_> hi dholbach !!
[05:20] <azeem> cypher_: a chroot is most handy if you want to build for a version of Ubuntu you do not have installed (like edgy packages on your dapper system)
[05:20] <tseng> dholbach: i can do gtk-sharp stuff
[05:20] <dholbach> hi cypher_
[05:20] <tseng> jeez
[05:20] <dholbach> tseng: nice :)
[05:20] <tseng> we still have gkt-sharp-unstable?
[05:20] <fowlduck> dholbach, let me get right on that....j/k ;)
[05:20] <tseng> i have asked at least 4 times
[05:20] <tseng> to have it removed
[05:20] <azeem> fowlduck: are you bddebian?
[05:21] <azeem> hrm, no
[05:21] <fowlduck> azeem, nope
[05:21] <tseng> dholbach: I will not build gtk-sharp-unstable, it should not exist
[05:22] <dholbach> tseng: file a bug and assign it to ubuntu-archive
[05:22] <tseng> I am tired of that
[05:22] <tseng> but ok maybe in a bit
[05:24] <tseng> dholbach: gtk-sharp, gtk-sharp2 are done, enjoy
[05:25] <fowlduck> wow, that was fast
[05:25] <dholbach> rock on
[05:25] <tseng> I'm just that good
[05:26] <fowlduck> you're that good, eh?  Pop Quiz!!! what is the method of indicating what the configuration files are so that they will be removed with the packages?
[05:26] <fowlduck> hehe, i'm sneaky
[05:27] <fowlduck> or not
[05:27] <tseng> give me a second
[05:27] <fowlduck> tseng, ahh, thanks :)
[05:28] <tseng> apache2 was not a good choice to look at ...
[05:28] <fowlduck> oh, hum
[05:29] <tseng> it might just be things in /etc
[05:29] <fowlduck> tseng, precisely what I'm trying to remove
[05:29] <fowlduck> tseng, specifically with dpkg -r purge package
[05:29] <tseng> yes?
[05:30] <fowlduck> so how do I go about identifying them to debhelper?
[05:30] <fowlduck> as conf files
[05:30] <tseng> i dont understand
[05:30] <tseng> your statements seem contradictory
[05:31] <fowlduck> ok, as it is my conf files are not being removed for some reason, even when I do a purge.  I'm trying to figure out how to allow them to be removed with purge, but not with normal package removal
[05:31] <fowlduck> as in, I'm trying to figure out how to get dpkg to treat them as conf files
[05:31] <tseng> beats me
[05:31] <fowlduck> whereas right now it seems oblivious to their existence during removal
[05:31] <fowlduck> ok
[05:31] <fowlduck> thanks
[05:32] <tseng> I dont package daemons
[05:33] <fowlduck> I'm going to try adding conffiles.ex, the docs seem to indicate to me that this isn't correct, but it's worth a shot
[05:34] <fowlduck> i'll let ya know
[05:58] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[05:59] <fowlduck> g'nte
[06:05] <dholbach> anyone care to rebuild  anjuta gnome-apt gnome-mud grip gtkterm  for libvte4 -> libvte9 transition?
[06:07] <fowlduck> i wish I could dholbach :/
[06:07] <fowlduck> maybe one day
[06:07] <tseng> I wish i could be dholbach too
[06:07] <tseng> I can help you, though
[06:07] <fowlduck> he's my hero
[06:07] <fowlduck> ;D
[06:08] <fowlduck> help me or dholbach?
[06:08] <dholbach> haha - you're all flattering me
[06:09] <tseng> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tseng/179778218/
[06:09] <tseng> what a guy!
[06:10] <dholbach> nice pictures :)
[06:17] <cypher1> tseng, is that you in the photo ?
[06:18] <dholbach> that's me :)
[06:18] <cypher1> oops
[06:18] <cypher1> great
[06:19] <cypher1> what was that conference ?
[06:19] <cypher1> gnome ?
[06:19] <dholbach> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tseng/179759225/ is another one
[06:19] <dholbach> yeah, that was at GUADEC - just some days ago :)
[06:20] <azeem> dholbach: hey I'm curious - was anybody using latex-beamer for their presentations?
[06:20] <dholbach> azeem: i didn't ask around
[06:20] <hub> what is it?
[06:20] <hub> azeem: lot of people just use OpenOffice
[06:20] <dholbach> yeah, i used it to
[06:21] <azeem> hub: it's lets you make spiffy .pdf presentations using LaTeX
[06:21] <azeem> guess it's nicer for scientific people
[06:21] <cypher1> dholbach, u look great..
[06:21] <dholbach> it's the rare occasions where i test ooo (what we leave our users with) :)
[06:21] <dholbach> cypher1: you make me blush :)
[06:21] <cypher1> where was the conference
[06:22] <hub> dholbach: I use OOo only for the presentation program
[06:22] <hub> dholbach: I might give KPresent a try next time
[06:22] <dholbach> cypher1: near Barcelona
[06:22] <hub> cypher1: spain
[06:22] <cypher1> no i thought people will be fat after siting for a long time
[06:22] <cypher1> cool
[06:22] <azeem> cypher1: dholbach is mental, he doesn't sit while hacking
[06:23] <cypher1> :)
[06:23] <dholbach> azeem: hahahaha :)
[06:23] <cypher1> i am getting fat need to do something for that
[06:24] <cypher1> although i do not much :)
[06:24] <cypher1> dholbach, is ben collins also from canonical ?
[06:25] <dholbach> cypher1: yes, he's BenC in all the channels
[06:25] <dholbach> azeem: outside on a big tv screen?
[06:25] <fowlduck> I understand that you identify manpages in packagename.manpages, regular files (bin file) in packagename.install, but where do you identify configuration files?
[06:25] <azeem> dunno yet
[06:26] <azeem> nobody wants to come along for the Theresienwiese
[06:26] <azeem> there's a place with a free Adam Green concert afterwards
[06:26] <fbond> fowlduck, packagename.conffiles, I believe
[06:26] <fowlduck> fbond, many thanks
[06:27] <fowlduck> any idea how it decides where to install it?
[06:27] <fbond> hmm, one sec let me look at a package I did
[06:27] <azeem> you have to install them yourself, they just get flagged as conffiles then, AFAIK
[06:27] <fowlduck> does it need to be similar to packagename.install, where it's package name then path
[06:28] <fowlduck> azeem, so they must be included in packagename.install then
[06:28] <azeem> yes, I think so
[06:28] <tseng> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tseng/179758311/in/photostream/
[06:29] <tseng> you too can be Daniel Holbach
[06:29] <cypher1> we have to download a lot of things in breezy to compile a kde source :(
[06:29] <fbond> fowlduck, I think that debhelper will automatically assume anything in /etc is a conffile anyway, so you may not need to worry about it
[06:29] <fbond> in fact, if you include a conffiles file, and debhelper also picks  up your conffiles, you can get an error
[06:29] <azeem> tseng: that's obviously a forged nameplate, or did Canonical change its corporate logo?
[06:30] <tseng> azeem: erm, the stamp means "lunch"
[06:30] <azeem> ah, that was my second guess
[06:30] <tseng> a half sun was for breakfast
[06:30] <tseng> which was useless
[06:30] <fowlduck> fbond, so leave off conffile and add it to packagename.install
[06:30] <azeem> they just didn't bother with breakfast for this year's Debconf
[06:31] <tseng> i love a good breakfast
[06:31] <tseng> bread is not breakfast
[06:32] <hub> so canonical is hiring again?
[06:32] <tseng> uh
[06:32] <tseng> http://www.ubuntu.com/employment
[06:35] <fowlduck> hmmm, debian's packaging guide recommends managing conf files in maintainer scripts
[06:36] <tseng> haha
[06:36] <tseng> dholbach's badge just got 19 views
[06:36] <dholbach> ;)
[06:37] <tseng> 15 for andreas!
[06:37] <cypher1> i viewed 2 times :)
[06:37] <azeem> dholbach: just proves people are more interested in your identity than your personality
[06:37] <cypher1> ha lol
[06:37] <cypher1> azeem, lol
[06:37] <tseng> 17 views for his hot mug
[06:37] <tseng> its close.
[06:38] <dholbach> bye azeem
[06:38] <cypher1> any US people here ?
[06:39] <tseng> yes of course
[06:39] <tseng> man
[06:40] <tseng> qemu could not be any slower to boot a livecd
[06:40] <fowlduck> cypher1, i'm not celebrating this year :/
[06:40] <cypher1> fowlduck, why
[06:41] <fowlduck> cypher1, my wife usually plans these sort of things and she's out of town.  I'm rather reclusive and I have work to do anyways
[06:41] <fowlduck> besides, it's too hot out
[06:41] <tseng> hah, too hot
[06:41] <tseng> good one
[06:41] <fowlduck> yeh
[06:42] <fowlduck> i can't hand heat
[06:42] <fowlduck> handle*
[06:42] <tseng> try Barcelona
[06:42] <fowlduck> never have been able to
[06:42] <fowlduck> ouch
[06:42] <fowlduck> hot?
[06:42] <tseng> it is 10F cooler than Philly atm
[06:42] <tseng> the difference is Philly has fans and AC
[06:42] <fowlduck> ha
[06:42] <tseng> BCN is swealtering
[06:44] <fowlduck> ick
[06:45] <fowlduck> want to know what too hot is for me?
[06:45] <tseng> no
[06:45] <fowlduck> ok
[06:45] <tseng> 72?
[06:45] <fowlduck> no, you didn't wanna know
[06:45] <tseng> ok then.
[06:45] <fowlduck> :)
[06:45] <fowlduck> ok ok, anything > 75
[06:47] <fowlduck> i'd die in BCN
[06:47] <fowlduck> don't get any ideas, now
[06:51] <fowlduck> tseng, do you know if there is a way to tell with what options dpkg was called, from within the postrm script?
[06:51] <tseng> no
[06:51] <fowlduck> no you don't know?  or no there isn't
[06:51] <tseng> i think you should be looking for the documentation on this particular issue rather than continuing to ask me
[06:52] <tseng> I am not getting any smarter :)
[06:52] <fowlduck> tseng, ok
[06:52] <fowlduck> sorry, and thanks
[07:20] <cypher1>  why does kde-dev has a dependency on konqueror.. ?? lol
[07:30] <fowlduck> tseng, i found out how to handle those conf files.  you install them normally using dh_install, then you use postrm to remove them.  postrm is always called with an argument of either purge or remove.  If remove is used then postrm is not deleted and is available to be used for purging later.  If purge is used then postrm is run then removed.
[07:30] <fowlduck> tseng, nice and simple :)
[07:38] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> later :)
[07:46] <cypher1> is qlist.h part of Qt3 also ?
[07:48] <dholbach> according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=qlist.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=edgy&arch=i386 it's in libqt3-compat-headers and libqt4-dev
[07:48] <dholbach> fellas - I'm off
[07:48] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[07:48] <dholbach> *wave*
[07:49] <ogra> ciao dholbach
[07:49] <fowlduck> dholbach, stay outta trouble :)
[07:49] <dholbach> bye ogra
[07:49] <dholbach> fowlduck: o/~ trouble loves me o/~
[07:49] <ogra> do you go out to the fan mile ?
[07:49] <dholbach> see you fowlduck
[07:49] <fowlduck> laters ;)
[07:49] <dholbach> ogra: nah, I'll go to a nice ice cream shop near me and they have a big tv screen there which will be crowded with people already :)
[07:50] <cypher1> dholbach, yes i guessed it i was installing the compat headers
[07:50] <cypher1> dholbach, thanks :)
[07:50] <ogra> dholbach, ah, cool
[07:50] <dholbach> cypher1: de rien
[07:50] <cypher1> dholbach, bye :)
[07:50] <dholbach> see you *Wave*
[07:51] <ogra> ciao
[07:51] <cypher1> dholbach, may deustchland win
[07:54] <tseng> fowlduck: cool.
[08:08] <cypher1> am i supposed to create the control file
[08:08] <cypher1> while packaging ?
[08:09] <fowlduck> cypher1, you should, but shouldn't dh_make take care of that for you?
[08:09] <cypher1> i am without any tools i think
[08:09] <cypher1> i was trying dpkg-deb
[08:09] <cypher1> no chroot :)
[08:09] <fowlduck> heh, why?
[08:09] <cypher1> just built a binary from the package
[08:09] <fowlduck> just wondering
[08:10] <cypher1> i need to create a ubuntu minial installation on the new chroot ?
[08:10] <fowlduck> cypher1, things that pbuilder makes easy :)
[08:14] <cypher1> we need a .dsc for build using pbuilder ?
[08:15] <hub> cypher1: yep
[08:17] <cypher1> if it is not there we have to create it ?
[08:18] <cypher1> i downloaded a kde application soure and built successfully
[08:18] <cypher1> but no .dsc file
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> Does ANYONE know htf to get rid of xfonts-dosemu
[08:24] <hub> what does depends on it?
[08:24] <hub> cypher1: debuild -S
[08:24] <bluefoxicy> hub:  it's trying to tell update-fonts-dir to do something
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> update-fonts-dir --x11r7-layout misc
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> that's what it's trying to do.
[08:26] <cypher1> hub, hold on
[08:27] <crimsun> we haven't transitioned to --x11r7-layout yet
[08:27] <cypher1> debuild: fatal error at line 521:
[08:27] <cypher1> cannot find readable debian/changelog anywhere!
[08:27] <cypher1> Are you in the source code tree?
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> crimsun: $2- was the bash syntax right?
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> i HATE the bash man page
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> searching for anything is impossible.
[08:28] <cypher1> hub, did you saw that error
[08:28] <bluefoxicy>  /shift or /if ...
[08:28] <hub> cypher1: that means you are not in a package tree
[08:31] <cypher1> hub let me try debhelper :)
[08:32] <bluefoxicy> holy shit
[08:32] <bluefoxicy> it fork b,ombed.
[08:32] <bluefoxicy>  /usr/bin/update-fonts-dir: 3: Cannot fork
[08:35] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:/usr/bin$ ps -e|grep update-fonts|wc -l
[08:35] <bluefoxicy> 10897
[08:35] <bluefoxicy> no, screw that.
[08:36] <bluefoxicy> guys friggin ' help me we'2re at war here, I'm losing memory fast and the system is getting laggy
[08:41] <cypher1> hub, thanks
[08:43] <cypher1> seems like dh_make and dpkg-deb disagrees :D
[08:43] <cypher1> catch you all later..
[08:43] <cypher1> going to watch germany - italy match on tv
[08:43] <cypher1> bye
[08:46] <fowlduck> do the "menu" files work under ubuntu?
[08:47] <fowlduck> heh, nope
[08:52] <crimsun> fowlduck: yes, they do. You just need the menu-xdg package installed.
[08:52] <fowlduck> crimsun, thanks, and welcome back
[09:02] <fowlduck> apropos menu
[09:02] <fowlduck> oops
[09:12] <fowlduck> how do you add a menu item to the menu?
[09:13] <crimsun> to which menu?
[09:13] <fowlduck> the "start" menu
[09:13] <fowlduck> as in the applications/places/system
[09:13] <crimsun> err...
[09:13] <crimsun> oh, the gnome menu?
[09:14] <fowlduck> yes please :)
[09:14] <crimsun> it just needs a valid fd.o menu entry
[09:14] <crimsun> see the numerous examples in /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[09:15] <fowlduck> and then just toss it in there for it to show up?
[09:18] <crimsun> essentially.
[09:19] <crimsun> you may need to call dh_desktop in debian/rules for mime types, etc.
[09:20] <sladen> bluefoxicy: looks like a bug, can you report it please
[09:21] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  it's kind of hackey, I blocked out the --x11r7-layout argument
[09:22] <fowlduck> crimsun, i'm not sure what mime-types are
[09:25] <bddebian> Howdy gang
[09:25] <fowlduck> howdy
[09:26] <bddebian> Hello fowlduck
[09:27] <sladen> bluefoxicy: please file a bug, along with any solution/work around you found
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> sladen: so far my "work-around" is fixing /etc/security/limits.conf so dpkg breaks without fork-bombing my ass.
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> as for making it actually work, nope, it's broken.
[09:29] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: what's the problem?
[09:29] <Amaranth> too many font packages installed?
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  I have xfonts-dosemu installed, its install/remove scripts are busted and it can't install/remove so when it tries to upgrade it breaks
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  this blocks apt/dpkg updating anything else because it tries to finish with xfonts-dosemu first, and then bails when that fails.
[09:30] <Amaranth> kill the remove scripts, uninstall it, then remove it's files manually :P
[09:31] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  I tried killing its remove scripts, it comes back and says the post-remove script died with status 143 and bails.
[09:31] <Amaranth> o_O
[09:31] <bluefoxicy> I also tried replacing /usr/bin/update-fonts-dir with a shell script that does nothing, or removes --x11r7-layout from the arguments, either way you get a fork bomb
[09:32] <hub> is edgy runnable?
[09:32] <Amaranth> hub: i guess so
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> hub:  don't install dosemu
[09:32] <Amaranth> hub: if you're upgrading from dapper you have to do some fun stuff when you install the 2.6.17 kernel
[09:33] <crimsun> libata transition (hdX -> scX)
[09:33] <Amaranth> yeah
[09:33] <hub> crimsun: I only have sata here
[09:33] <Amaranth> hdX  though
[09:33] <crimsun> hub: moot, though
[09:33] <Amaranth> hub: then no problem
[09:33] <hub> Amaranth: I don't know if I want to move to a more recent kernel
[09:33] <hub> I had to downgrade from dapper final
[09:33] <crimsun> you love the kernel crack.
[09:33] <encolpe> hi
[09:34] <zul> mmmm...crack
[09:34] <hub> because -23 was crashing
[09:34] <Amaranth> 2.6.17 is supposed to have a driver for my card reader
[09:34] <hub> salut encolpe
[09:34] <Amaranth> i'm thinking about backporting it to dapper :P
[09:34] <encolpe> plop hub
[09:34] <hub> Amaranth: -23 in Dapper freeze on wake up
[09:34] <zul> Amaranth: good luck on that
[09:34] <hub> Amaranth: I went down to -19
[09:36] <bluefoxicy> bug filed.
[09:36] <sladen> ta, what's the number?
[09:39] <fowlduck-> ugh, i hit my power cable
[09:42] <bddebian> crimsun: got a sec?
[09:42] <crimsun> bddebian: what's up?
[09:43] <bddebian> crimsun: Mind if I /query?
[09:43] <crimsun> nope
[09:49] <\sh> moins
[09:50] <\sh> live from the world championships
[09:50] <bddebian> Nice
[09:50] <encolpe> Like Brice ?
[09:50] <\sh> germany vs. italy
[09:51] <\sh> germany will loose
[09:51] <Yagisan> pity
[09:51] <Yagisan> maybe they should dive like italy did for a penalty
[09:52] <\sh> my friends here are going to kill me, they are reading whatever I write here
[10:03] <fowlduck> wow, got that package first shot
[10:03] <fowlduck> i feel all special
[10:03] <bddebian> :-)
[10:03] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[10:03] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[10:03] <fowlduck> wb LaserJock
[10:04] <LaserJock> hi fowlduck
[10:04] <fowlduck> LaserJock, did ya hear?  I got this package in one attempt.
[10:04] <fowlduck> i feel all special
[10:04] <LaserJock> yeah, cool.
[10:05] <fowlduck> i was redoing it from when I did it yesterday, but still :D
[10:06] <Amaranth> congrats \sh
[10:06] <\sh> thx
[10:07] <Amaranth> i'm still not even MOTU :P
[10:14] <\sh> Amaranth: it is time
[10:15] <bddebian> \sh++
[10:23] <fowlduck> argh, then a completely separate package i haven't touched just breaks
[10:24] <crimsun> bluekuja: ping, #ubuntu-meeting, your application for ubuntu-dev
[10:41] <fowlduck> heh, had to hack some C to fix it, heh
[11:29] <bddebian> Grr, why can't this piece of crap find CLK_TCK
[11:38] <slomo_> bddebian: CLOCKS_PER_SEC is what you want
[11:39] <bddebian> Well that's what I thought but CLK_TCK is defined CLOCKS_PER_SEC
[11:39] <slomo_> only if some other constants are defined
[11:39] <bddebian> Aye
[11:40] <slomo_> if they have glibc 2.4 it won't afaik
[11:40] <bddebian> Ahhh